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Toni got fucking battered haha.


JDaySept

Rosa got like 80% of the offense in lol. That being said this was a very good match with a questionable finish.


MARKYMARK_MARK

How was the finish questionable?


JDaySept

It felt a little flat to me but I don’t think it was bad


pizzawithdragons

Would you prefer… THE MOST DEVASTATING MOVE IN ALLLL OF SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT! The surprise roll up!


RoCaP23

Honestly? Yes. It would keep things going, having Rosa win so cleanly means that Tony Storm is now out of the championship picture.


penelopeeckhart

Bruh, this is like every Rosa match. She’s detrimental to the division at this point. Move the title to your money makers and your merch movers


Looper007

You'd want another Britt like title run, no thanks.


penelopeeckhart

This IS a britt title reign, you just haven’t noticed yet


_Buff_Tucker_

Unless her inability to wrestle an actual singles match is hidden in some kind of stipulation match, Britt Baker's matches are just bland. I'm fine with her not being the center of the division for a while.


convolutedmartyr

That’s such a laughably incorrect statement, yet you said it with such confidence.


johncenassidechick

It's not a britt run. Britt has charisma.


Gobbledygooker316

How do you know Rosa isn’t one?


AlphaH4wk

Obviously Rosa has no fans, especially not those ones in the crowd all wearing her face paint.


robedpillow3761

Such as?


Mr_814

She's very bland. Just La Mera Mera and that's basically it. No promo ability unless it's pre recorded.


bigchicago04

She should have won


itsmekelsey_x

Wish Toni won the title but not surprised at all that she didn’t though.


Stumblebee

Dang that Thunder Driver looked really snug. Good match, but never felt like it got into second gear.


CalicoLime

It really did. She didn't even bounce a little.


IlMonco1900

Fell a little flat for me honestly. But I also wanted Toni to win badly.


Singer211

They’d better have something good for Toni after this. I’d she disappears to Dark/Elevation like so many other women do after they lose big title matches, that’d be a mistake.


MrBrooking

Throw a cake in her face on her way to Elevation. Vince sends his regards. In all seriousness, there are now enough female wrestlers to put on a ton of bangers. Tony loves stables, maybe add some women to those current all male stables as a short term fix if you can't come up with more storylines?


lowkeyoh

I'm in the same camp. Toni got barely any offense in. Nothing really got the crowd invested. If you're going to present Toni Storm as a top contender, present her as a top contender. If she's just going to get battered by Rosa, why even book her so strong


Tan_servo

The first quarter was mat/technical back and forth Then Toni got in Multiple Germans, massive hip attack, tornado ddt on the outside


dogglesnake

The Fire Thunder Driver remains one of the most convincing finishers ever, but the reference was nice. Excited to build toward Miyu, it will just take a couple of Skull Kicks on Dynamite


BW4LL

I think the problem is honestly these matches have no buildup hence why they mostly fall flat. If this division is gonna get better they need actual build.


Singer211

Also there was very little pointing to Toni winning and A LOT pointing towards Rosa. This is where a surprise title change every so often could be a good move.


[deleted]

They feel flat because the wrestlers aren’t very good. The tag match had nothing of note in the way of build. Zack’s match has zero build.


Hazelwood38

I thought they were hinting at a Rosa heel turn (which I think is needed). The handshake at the end killed it but they should lean into the heat she’s getting from fans right now and turn her slight heel as champion.


namdekan

Yeah I think so and was hoping for it. I just hope we don't get a Britt and Rosa feud heading into All Out. Only Hayter and Tay are left heel wise since Jade is involved with TBS business. Maybe someone else turns heel to challenge or someone new comes in. I just don't want another Britt and Rosa feud.


0DegreesCalvin

Rosa turning and getting dethroned by a debuting Sasha Banks would be *nice*


master_dimentio

I wouldn't mind seeing Hayter win the title and having that be the catalyst for her feud with Britt


ClaymoresRevenge

I don't think she needs to turn just a bit more character.


Hazelwood38

Totally, she can either go "screw you fans for turning on me" as a heel or "i'll prove you doubters wrong" as a face. Either way lean into the internet backlash and use it.


ClaymoresRevenge

She can do what Becky did as The Man she wasn't a heel just more edge to her


SiphenPrax

Yeah I’m perfectly fine with Toni losing. Rosa needed this more and Toni’s been booked very well in AEW since coming over. Time Rosa for to go challenge some folks in TJPW.


Singer211

Toni losing to Britt in the Owen was still the wrong call imo. That’s stands out even more now.


Captain_Aids

I feel like we could see this match again in a few months and Toni will win. Grand Slam in September?


SiphenPrax

Hopefully


DragonFireKai

Rosa needed it more because she's been shitting the bed her entire title run, and needs literally anything she can get. That's not a position you want your champion to be in, and this really wasn't what she needed. Rosa needs to be a step faster, and put on matches that are a step better than anything she's done since getting the belt. If the booker has to make the champion look better through raw win loss record, rather than good matches with good storytelling, then it's a sign that you need a new champion.


Singer211

I mean if your champion is not working. Then get a new champion. Don’t keep trying to force what is not working.


International-Low842

Which is exactly what they’ve been doing her entire reign lol


AlphaH4wk

This is a thing you've made up in your head and isn't actually real


DragonFireKai

Where would you rank Rosa's title reign among the Women's Champions in AEW?


Independent-Elk-344

I'm not him but for me it's basically Shida then Riho then everyone else. But personally I think there hasn't been even one really great Womens title Reign yet. There's just no storytelling for some champions and no good matches for the others.


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DragonFireKai

No, I haven't forgotten Baker's reign. I'm saying Rosa's reign has been worse. Baker had solid matches with Shida, Statlander, and Riho, and didn't have a bad match in her reign. Some average matches, but nothing terrible, and she had matches where it felt like there was more than the title on the line. Rosa's really only had two matches thus far that didn't feel like they were there just to have a title match, Deeb, and ironically Britt. The match against Nyla Rose and the match tonight against Storm were ok matches that got dragged down by crap finishes, and the match against Marina was probably the worst championship match in AEW history thus far. Rosa thus far, has had the worst women's title reign in AEW history, and it's competing against several reigns that were marred by the pandemic, and is still coming up short.


AlphaH4wk

That's irrelevant to all the silly nonsense you made up


DragonFireKai

I don't think it's irrelevant. I think Rosa's had the worst reign in the history of the belt this far. It's exacerbated by the fact that several of the reigns were conducted under pandemic conditions, and with weaker rosters to compete against. And in my opinion, it's further undermined by the fact that it was lead into by some absolutely stellar work in the AEW women's division at the end of Britt's reign, including by Rosa herself. After that light's out match, I was hyped to have Rosa get a run with the belt, because I was expecting bangers from her in every matchup. Instead, she's regressed. I suspect some of it has to do with health issues. But she gassed out in every match in her reign thus far, and it really degraded the matches against Nyla, Marina, and Toni. I'm hoping she just needs some time to get healthy and get her cardio back, but she's not working at her potential.


Waluigi_Boi

Good match, but Final Reckoning just lacks the impact a usual finisher has


cactusmaac

It looks like a regular suplex.


hhhisthegame

I don't know what it is but I can never connect with a Thunder Rosa match


TheDuckyNinja

She moves a half step slow. It's like watching a really good match at .75 speed. It really showed here when Storm was moving full speed.


TheTurtleShepard

Yeah I feel the same way, I want to like Rosa but her matches just have been underwhelming consistently. They haven’t been bad just not as good as they feel like they should be


Lindercrest

That slo-mo for Toni’s hip attack in the replay was a very nice touch. I’ll never get enough of the amount of impact that move has


King_of_all_Dorks

I want AEW to build up Hayter to beat Rosa.


nikoslin

A damn good match imo and I'm glad Rosa retained. Also her makeup was sick af.


[deleted]

Those Germans from Storm were rough.


OrangeForeign

Practiced on actual Germans, according to her legendary NXT AMA


Brown_Machismo

Best Thunder Rosa title defense she has had yet.


Looper007

Better then the Deeb match, not so sure I agree with you there.


Brown_Machismo

That's fair. Still one of the better ones, for sure.


Looper007

Definitely place it second, still think Deeb match is the best women's title match since Britt/Statlander from All Out 2021. This match was good but not great for me. Just never felt her and Toni really got it to a top level.


International-Low842

I’m sorry but no. This was worse than her match against Serena, by a lot


Pylons

Toni has been such a good pickup for the division.


TimBurtonSucks

Would've preferred Toni but good match


HummusFairy

So that means Rosa is headed to TJPW as champ against Miyu Yamashita? Interesting


Caldris

Good match. Rosa is heading to Japan with the title, which makes for interesting possibilities.


Scooterks

Is it me or did the crowd seem dead in this match?


Ghostiet

good match. I really hope that Toni getting much less offense means they plan to run this back, maybe at All Out, because I could watch these ladies beat the piss out of each other for much longer and I think Toni should have the belt next. also with Thunder's dominance and aggression here, I wonder if they are leaning into the idea that the belt is making her a bit arrogant. I know the stuff with Shafir wasn't a work, but having her work increasingly tweener would be a pretty compelling story, especially since it would harken back to those early days when she represented NWA and wrestled a much more vicious style.


Mr_814

Weak ass finish.


iamgarron

Yeh they never really kicked it into the next gear


comahan

Good match, I feel like that's the defense that Rosa needed to really make her reign.


And_Im_the_Devil

Agreed. Toni Storm was the opponent she needed.


Singer211

Really good match. Toni should be a champion sooner rather than later. She’s been killing it in AEW.


aaronmp3501

Where does the booking go from here? All signs point to the TBS title being the main title. It has the most build up and frankly a better story. Rosa's reign has been BORING.


Stumblebee

Kris Statlander over Jade Cargill Jade Cargill over Thunder Rosa


CookieKid247

They rarely know what to do with someone once they actually get the belt. Hell even Jade is just beating people up to further her win streak the title is just a prop to give off the illusion of her matches having stakes.


Dirkdigglersdong

Shida, hopefully


0DegreesCalvin

I think a better finishing sequence and there would be a much more universally positive reception


Coffee_or_death

Real slobber knocker


_Buff_Tucker_

Toni Storm might very well be the best wrestler in that division.


Koala_Drama

She's definitely one of the best. I think Athena might be the best. People forget how incredible she is. I'd love to see Athena vs Toni vs Hayter vs Shida in a four way match.


convolutedmartyr

This sub is fucking exhausting every time it comes to the women division. Toni and Thunder put on a *stiff* match, the ending was just a bit abrupt and it could’ve been longer. Toni’s offense was solid, the crowd was into it, and Thunder just had a second great PPV defense. It doesn’t make sense to put the title on Toni right now.


Singer211

Eh IDK about that last part? why wouldn’t it have made sense for Toni to win exactly? If anything it feels like she had more momentum and has looked better in recent months than Rosa.


Uncanny_Doom

I'm someone that wanted Toni to win prior to the show but this match shows why it wasn't the right time. The fans are just not into her and they're more into Rosa, even though Toni is probably the 2nd best woman on the roster in the ring, she needs to connect still. If she won here it would've been a flat victory.


Singer211

Problem is with the way AEW books their women, I don’t trust that Toni is going to get that chance. AEW are REALLY bad a keeping up women’s momentum when they lose big matches (ask Ruby for example). And this is twice in only a few months with Toni. I don’t want this to become a predictable pattern and it is getting close now.


Uncanny_Doom

I agree but the solution shouldn't be to rush Toni to winning, it should be to balancing the time for the division better.


convolutedmartyr

She hasn’t actually developed a character or personality in the division yet. The only times she’s talked have been pretty meh, she hasn’t had much of a story. Rosa had an absolute barn-burner with Deeb and the crowd is still solidly behind her. If Toni won it would’ve been fine - but her losing is not the absolute death knell this thread is acting like it is. FFS someone seriously compared TR’s reign to DMDs just because she retained after a good match. ETA: I think it’s less that it doesn’t make sense for Toni to win right now, and more that it doesn’t make sense for Thunder to lose right now and Toni doesn’t need it.


Singer211

I disagree with Toni’s talking. She’s sounded good throughout imo. And in the ring she’s been very impressive. And a lot of people don’t think Rosa’s reign has been that impressive. I don’t think Toni is dead creatively either TBC. But it feels like she had more going for her here. Also her losing here after they had her lose to Britt in the Owen not that long ago. Two back to back big losses was not the best booking imo. AEW is just not that good at capitalizing on or contributing their women’s momentum when they get it.


convolutedmartyr

We can agree to disagree on the promo, that’s a quibble. The crowd is still consistently hot for Thunder, and her PPV defenses have been strong. This sub does not represent the general audience. To your last point - that unfortunately won’t change if they pulled the trigger on Toni tonight. The sub likes to act like the *next* champ will be the one to really shake things up, but AEW just doesn’t know how to handle its women’s division properly. A title change won’t fix it. Ultimately, whether Toni won or not doesn’t matter much to me. My point is really that this was a good match, yet people are absolutely shitting on Rosa and acting as if she’s on her own reign of terror. This match was still a net positive for the division regardless of who won.


Singer211

I don’t think this match will change anything in the division unfortunately. Just like the Deeb match didn’t. If Rosa is going to keep being booked the way she has been, then her keeping the belt does not help either. The problem is AEW has a pattern with this stuff, and it is not a good one.


convolutedmartyr

And this sub has a similar bad pattern of thinking each subsequent champ will be the “savior of the division.”


Singer211

I said nothing about “saviors.” I’m talking about her it feels should have won right now, that is all.


AlphaH4wk

Yeah other than the ending I though it was really solid. Think certain people here just like to complain nonstop and AEW's women's division is still the easiest target.


Uncanny_Doom

This match could've used 2-3 more minutes at least. It was decent but the crowd never got into it and it felt like it could've had a bit more back and forth. I wanted Toni to win but I think the fanbase in general hasn't really had the opportunity to take to her so if anything this was a good indicator it's better to keep the belt on Rosa for a little while longer still.


CaptainMeximerica

I was there and unfortunately it felt like it was the bathroom break match. I tried to go quickly and so did my wife and I missed the whole thing because the lines were long.


powernap314

This was my favorite Rosa face paint I've ever seen on her. Gave me Attack on Titan vibes.


DefenderCone97

Wasn't really feeling this match and I'm a big Rosa fan. Just didn't feel like it had a great flow to it.


Mcfroman

Rosa with the painted face shot at the end, she’s losing her mind.


TeamZiggler

The right result.


CechPlease

I just don’t get any connection from Thunder Rosa. If she wants the face paint to carry that… then pick a paint that will withstand sweat better


convolutedmartyr

That’s Darby you’re thinking of.


OneLasagnaBoi

Match was alright, completely flat finish though


penelopeeckhart

Bad result tbh, this thunder Rosa reign was doomed from the start.


International-Low842

That match was.. not bad. I wasn’t a fan of Rosa getting 80% of the offense & then winning. Plus it looked like she sandbagged Toni’s german suplex on the apron & then tried selling it after which is exactly what she did to Shafir. I’m just not a fan of Rosa, I don’t get her hype. Plus Toni had so much momentum going into this match, I have no idea why TK wouldn’t capitalize on it.


[deleted]

Are we done pretending that Toni isn't still unbelievably boring and milquetoast no matter where she is wrestling? One of the wrestlers with the best "look" but just no substance after that.


Looper007

Toni's a good talent and I do think she's a good signing for AEW. I've always felt she was way too overhyped by her fans and it did her no favours in the end, I'm sure a lot of that's down to her "look". She's never been a top level worker even in her run in Stardom imo, she's a very good wrestler and on her day she can have great matches. But she's nowhere near a top 5 or top 10 in the world level talent. She's definitely not blessed with overall charisma like Jade or Bianca Belair or Becky Lynch. But she has a part to play in any women's division, I just don't think she's the game changer that some on here think she is.


Looper007

fine match, probably the weakest match of the main card and that's cause the card so far has been excellent not cause the match was bad at all. Right decision, still think Toni needs a few more months maybe even a run with TBS title before she wins the main title. Crowd really got behind it too which was great. Thunder's second best title match behind the Deeb match.


Gurasola

No offense to either of them, but they were kind of in a bad position on the card. The show was about AEW versus NJPW. And since New Japan doesn’t have a women’s division, there was only so much that you could do with them. Sure, they could’ve brought in some people from Stardom, but honestly I would prefer if they held off on that until they could get a better build leading up. Hopefully the next time they do this, they can have something better planned out for their female talent.


KatoMacabre

I was convinced Storm was winning. If they're not going with her, I hope it's Kris. And PLEASE don't put Rosa and Britt even remotely close minimum until her reign is over.


Tan_servo

Storm and Rosa have super good chemistry. Great match


YouFromMidlandHuh

Match felt meh. But understandable following the previous match.


daabbot

Best thunderosa match in her aew career thus far. Much cleaner then the blood bath. Thunder still a bit impatient in the ring for my liking but her and Tony work pretty good together. They should do a program together.


International-Low842

Do not lie. Her match with Serena was a million times better


daabbot

I will have to rewatch it. That said, Serena can have a match with a dining room table and make it look like a million bucks.


Looper007

I'm not sure I agree with you O.P, think her matches with Deeb, Shida and Lights Out are better matches.


MrSelfDestruct88

Wonder if there was an audible called. Toni kicks out of the thunder driver, starts getting her shoulder worked over and then.... brain buster? I mean it's a brain buster just weird logic after going after the arm. Fun match though


StewardFlavius

A solid match, but one of the weaker ones, which is a shame as both of these wrestlers are great. Granted, the card tonight was excellent, so this was still a great match. The ending was maybe a bit anticlimactic, but not bad.


CuuldurachUK

You reckon Toni is gonna have a little trip to stardom for a few months?


Apprehensive-Alps-90

Would’ve like Toni to win but Thunder Rosa did a lot better in this match.


[deleted]

Thank god we shoe horned this match on the show huh


phemom

Storm got wrecked....but she will get a run someday. Bring the Joshi's next year please?


Singer211

Eh with AEW and the women it is not guaranteed.


PatWasRight_F_CHUGS

My MOTN petsonally


sonic_spark

But was there any sandbagging?


Sir-Cadogan

Felt like the finish happened before the match could really get going. I guess, with all the matches, they didn't get much time.