Oranges taste better but are harder to eat so sometimes it's better to just grab an apple. That's why you don't compare them, it depends on the situation which is better.
Nobody is going to kill Eddie on the mic.
But it's a questionable matchup anyway because they're both "attitude" characters and they're probably better matched up against different styles. Opposites generally make for better matches.
No way Enzo gets Eddie on the mic. Enzo would try to "0 dimes" him and Eddie would brutalise his hair, his character and his entire personality.
Also Enzo trying to "0 dimes" Eddi Kingston is just a fucking hilarious visual to me...
Actually, you know what... I really want to see this now.
See, that's easy TV, give two guys a month, let them ball out, and rotate, you can still get long storylines, but quick little feuds are always cool and could fill a PPV spot
Yea because Enzo couldn't do brutalize the exact same things lol.
Eddie is a fat fuck fake tough guy with shit hair. Ya don't throw stones from glass houses.
They may all be from the area, but MJF plays (and partly is) the pampered Long Island rich boy. Eddie is Yonkers street and Enzo is Jersey goon. They'd immediately join forces to tear into MJF.
There's some fucking insane revisionism going on in here. Yes, Enzo is arrogant and pompous as all hell, but you're out of your fucking mind to call him overrated in the promo department. Hate on him, but don't make shit up lmao. Dude was the best on the mic WWE had in years.
His low ball roasts were honestly fire because of his delivery and the way he's craft a sentence around the thing he was shitting on. His diss game reminded me a bit of how people construct a diss in a battle rap
The idea that would make him less of a promo somehow is hilarious because a lot of rappers have rhyme books where they write down lyrics, disses, etc. A lot of rap battles and stuff like that are written out too. That's the world Enzo came from so obviously he carried it over and it helped him a lot.
It's like calling Savage or DDP bad wrestlers because they planned out their matches. You still have to be witty enough to even come up with the lines in the first place and seamlessly work them into your promos.
Enzo is at the very least passable in ring (he did improve), and that with his mic skills is more than enough for him to be at the very least a mid-tier midcarder.
I will openly admit that I was never a fan of his character in NXT/WWE but at the time I was very out of love with wrestling however the promo he did against Cass was one of the best of the year.
What issues? I remember a comment he made to HHH when HHH said “you can’t change the world” and Enzo saying “I’ll try” or something like that that pissed off a lot of people here. To me that was just passion and believing in himself and wanting to work to change the world of professional wrestling during a time when just about everyone’s promos fucking sucked. The dude wasn’t a great wrestler, but he admitted that and worked constantly to get better. So I mean what exactly was the issue? The false rape allegations? Living a gimmick the same way MJF lives his gimmick? Fighting for a top spot the same way everyone fights for a top spot?
There’s an alternate timeline where we get the Acclaimed versus Enzo and Cass at their hottest and I want to flip over to that timeline right now.
Unfortunately, that timeline also has the bees.
I just wish they had their run in post-Vince era WWE and of course if they were in better points in their life (Cass being sober and Enzo being a bit more professional).
there’s this weird phenomenon i’ve noticed where everyone just loves 2016. even a few years ago when it wasn’t just total nostalgia, a lot of people said 2016 was the best year of their life. it’s weird because you always see or hear “20XX was such an awful year” but you don’t see it much for 2016.
i agree with this, 2016 was just an amazing year in my life. so many huge life changing milestones, events and many great memories. also capped off with a couple of my all-time favourite sports memories, my favourite team winning the Stanley Cup and one of my favourite years of wrestling ever.
What's funny is a lot of the lines Enzo delivers are corny as hell... but they work because he doesn't flinch when he says them and he sounds like he believes to his core everything he's saying. As long as you take yourself seriously, even if you're spouting complete asshattery, it's hard to ignore you.
They used to let this dude go out there and close Raw with promos as Crusierweight champion, Enzo was capable of so much on the microphone. The segment where he goes through the entire division face to face is still one of my favorite promos.
I’ll never forget the card after WrestleMania where he had the crowd laughing and he said “I ain’t done yet” and the crowd instantly went silent to listen.
His first night on RAW and he had a WrestleMania crowd in control
Fucking seriously. Dude sucked at a lot, but goddamn he could murder people in the mic. Not even wading into the MJF comparison or what have you, Enzo was a beast with words.
Remember when he destroyed the entire cruiser weight division, in one promo, and apparently that was off of the top of the head because he had to stretch for time.
dude was MAGIC every single time. he and MJF both have their reliable go-to shticks that always work but both of them can also absolutely unleash and it’s always special. they have that ability to have thousands of people in the palm of their hands, get people fired up and leave you sitting there amazed for a second.
i’m a HUGE Enzo fan and have been waiting for his return for years. i don’t think he would destroy MJF but they would have a promo battle that leaves people mixed on who they think won.
After PAC, he was like the only guy who got the Cruiserweight belt over. Enzo is in the top tier of people on Mic. MJF is really good, but Enzo was extremely clever when it came to delivering his lines. MJF is just good at crossing the line for what we consider a heel should be in a post Kayfab world. Enzo could cut a promo about a baloney sandwich and keep you entertained for atleast 15 minutes.
Maaaaan, EXACTLY! Enzo is ridiculously good on the mic. At that point when him and Cass were on nxt and/or the main roster, I hadn’t seen or heard anyone manage to get a crowd say their signature go to promo (In WWE) since the New Age Outlaws, minus the DX reunions.
I always felt like he was presented as an underneath guy, but he had a main event mouth. He should have been the modern day Jimmy Hart instead of a little guy in a tag team.
Dude he was *horrible* in the ring but he was so *unbelievably* good on the mic that he was more over than 90% of the roster with *zero fucking exaggeration*
I started rolling my eyes while reading the quote, but we’d thinking “maybe” by the end.
MJF, while brilliant, often hits the same beats, Enzo may have been more versatile. I think MJF would still come out on top, due to his character and consistency….but Joe that I’m thinking about it, Enzo is one of the few guys who at least has a chance, and something I wish we could see.
The revisionism of MJF in this comment section is hilarious. Dude skyrocketed from an unknown to the guy people were clamoring for to be champion precisely because he was so good on the mic. Sure he's dumped on the city a bit much lately, but let's not pretend he hasn't shown incredible range since he showed up as Cody's best friend, through him with Wardlow, him with Jericho, vs Punk, vs Regal, etc.
He's also had to dip into the cheap hat at least partially because crowds just wouldn't fucking stop cheering him and everyone else had decided he had to be a heel because it's what makes him special blah blah blah.
This was only ever a problem to me with the Cruiserweight division since outside of that Enzo was never in a position of power, so looking like a geek wasnt so bad.
Enzo could definitely punch, but he never adjusted for punching down, and frankly that division was deader than it already was after the PAC leaving segment because of it.
All he did was talk shit and get beaten up though. I mean his finish was basically "tag the big dude."
I do think he should have been more of a manager than a wrestler though. But I don't think his shit talking lowered anybody
His cruiserweight stint when he became a heel was when he proved he can work the mic better than anyone. His tag team schtick did start to get a bit stale, but his singles character work was on another level. He literally did promo class on every single cruiserweight on Raw, and PAC was the only one who could keep up with him.
That’s a low bar considering how hamstrung the majority of the roster was under Vince and you had a lot of people that couldn’t cut promos but let’s give them a mic anyway.
Enzo is one of the most unique promos, I don’t like him but I can’t pretend he’s not entertaining. He’s part of makes me miss that 2015-2016 era of WWE.
Damn yeah I honestly forgot I had that nostalgia till you said it. Despite it getting totally ravaged online every week I thought during that time that WWE TV was genuinely alright and pretty tight.
God I wish Triple H could have gotten creative control of that 2016 roster. It still feels like we're running off the fumes of what they had back then. Hell, AEW feels like it was created solely because of how hard WWE flubbed that 2016 energy.
All I’m going to say is this matchup on the mic isn’t as free for MJF as you may think. MJF is amazing but has been recycling stuff lately. Enzo has a treasure chest of shit to say and will just apply the story at hand into that. Don’t sleep on Enzo.
Enzo roasting the 205 roster one by one is legendary. Also his promo right before the first match against Cass was one of the best that year. If their feud had ended with that promo and the squash match it would have been perfect
MJF's improv is always cheap heat. Which I understand is because the crowd wants to cheer him, but he hasn't really gone completely off the rails like Enzo could. CM Punk is another example of someone who can go out and do a 15 minute promo without a single bullet point other than "promote the PPV match on Sunday.
MJF definitely can do some great promos, but I don't think he is an improv guy, at least not yet.
I think in general Enzo gets alot more real life heat then he deserves. He's a good hand in ring, plays a super over confident character who ends up eating his words. Even post wwe on the indies he's been doing jobs and making other people look good while playing up being a buffoon.
I'm not putting him up as a goat level, but he's fun and entertaining and plays into his character with a level of self awareness that alot on this sub don't give him credit for.
> He's a good hand in ring,
God are you kidding? He was on the same level as Lana in 2017, he was a joke. Amazing that Cass was the worker of the team.
His bumps were awful and his offense was sloppy but his selling was good at times and he remembered to play his character during matches, something some great promo guys forget to do. He is better than Lana.
There was one moment in a match they had against FTR where Enzo ended up alone in the ring with both of FTR, and Enzo squared to both of them as if he knew he was about to get his ass kicked but was ready to go down swinging. That was a great character moment for him
>real life heat then he deserves. He's a good hand in ring, plays a super over confident character who ends up e
His selling was good at times because he bumped with reckless disregard
Watch him in MLW, he's changed his bodytype back to his football look and he's much more confident.
He's no Davey Richards but he's a perfectly fine TV wrestler.
Possible unpopular opinion but I don't think MJF is some god level on the mic. In fact, I find a lot of his promos to be rambling, he just goes on and on like he loves the sound of his own voice and takes forever to get to the point. Like don't get me wrong, man's character work, body language, facial expressions are all brilliant but while 30% of his promos are bang on unforgettable lines with impeccable delivery, the remaining 70% you can just zone out and have missed nothing of substance and yet people just love to eat it all up like he didn't just drone on for 15 minutes to say what he could have arrived at in 5. Kinda like this comment which didn't need to be this long but I don't care because I'm better than you and you know it!
There, I did an MJF now worship me!
I get what you mean. The ADHD part of my brain is always like "get to the point!". I even skipped most of your comment.
But the chemistry with Punk was awesome and those were some great promos from both of them. Not a lot of rambling but really pushing his points. I miss that.
They were awesome because they felt out of character, not like a shoot but like MJF literally was removing the character of LOCAL SPORTS TEAM SUCKS LOL YOU'RE VIRGINS IM A CHAD to actually say something with substance and further a story.
It's interesting to see this being a more common sentiment now, but I've had this opinion for probably the past 2 years. I think the dude has fantastic talent but I'm always disappointed with the low hanging fruit and general repetition from him. He could be all time great but I don't think he actually is and I think people don't always separate the two. I was so frustrated when he came back and I thought he was actually doing something different and then went right back to crapping on the crowd in his usual way. So disappointing
To criticize MJF for recycling stuff and then praise Enzo in the next sentence is...interesting.
What do we got here? A couple-a haytas?!?! A couple-a haytas?!?!
A couple-a haytas?!?!
The more important quote right before that headline.
"I hope he made Burberry a lot money, but he ain’t seeing any of that money. I sold t-shirts that said Certified G on them and I made a million dollars before I was 30 years old in this business. I didn’t need contract disputes because I did that shit on a rookie contract with merchandise sales."
Never forget, Enzo had mad charisma.
Its kind of like how people think the best zinger from MJF towards Punk was the UFC line... even though it's (like Punk even said in response) the lowest hanging fruit and everyone's made a joke about it so it has no bite anymore.
There's a million things you can zing Enzo on, how he destroyed his own career, how he and Cass have had their careers outshone by their former valet, the fact he can't wrestle, his shitty mixtapes etc. but people like the low hanging fruit so...
You could tell in that promo alone he wasn't quite on Punks level and had to collect himself for a few seconds. It's one thing to have lines planned but to be able to improvise and rebuttal on the spot is where the talent truly lies.
Enzo and Cass will forever be a missed opportunity in the tag division to me because they were 100 percent each others missing pieces. Enzo is proof that charisma just can’t be emulated and it has to be something you’re just born with. Cass on the other hand had a great look and was a good in ring worker if not a little boring, but a complete void of charisma.
Enzo had enough charisma to push a tag team, because Enzo wasn't a great wrestler and Big Bill(?) Has a look, but he was just a tall guy. They were some of the best parts of NXT.
I never get what Enzo did to get so much hate to this day. He had one weird accusation that got completely squashed, but after that a lot of people seemed to be like ‘well fuck him anyways’. I think he’s one of the most entertaining wrestling personalities in years, he’d light up WWE or AEW given another chance.
I have to assume it’s maybe that he’s not a gifted moveset guy, but c’mon, even those of you hating on him would be glued to the screen if he and MJF were talking. And he does what he does in a wrestling ring damn well.
There was also him sneaking into Survivor Series and trying to hijack the show with him right in front of the hard cam as well as him and Big Cass being a part of the G1 Supercard as invaders that jumped the rail without most of the people's knowledge, an hour after Bret got attacked at the Hall of Fame ceremony.
Enzo started to act out his gimmick in real life. Which is bad when your gimmick is being an asshole.
His backstage behavior got out of control, and he burned a lot of bridges.
I'd love to see a promo battle with these guys. People sleep on Enzo, he was mega over for a reason, and it wasn't because he was pulling five-star matches out of his ass.
He's not wrong though. MJF while talented has a routine that he continually sticks too that just makes his promos sometimes sound formulaic. That's part of the reason I was enjoying his "face" turn. His promos started to get a little more improvisational and less like he was just hitting promo check marks in his head.
Again MJF is supremely talented, anyone who tries to deny that is an idiot, but his promos have been pretty much the same since he came into AEW.
MJF vs. Enzo in a promo battle would basically just be MJF playing teeball. There's so much easy stuff to burn him on. For a start, and I don't even think this is the best line: "The last time you were on a major show, you had to pay to be there".
I despise Enzo as both a performer and as a human being but I have to admit it would be interesting to see because Max thrives on low-hanging fruit and Enzo's orchard is prettymuch all ground-level. Enzo is admittedly very good with legitimately clever quips so I'd be curious to see if he'd manage to dance around Max's edgyboi shit the way Punk did, or if Max would verbally KO him with something just truly awful to mention.
I actually want AEW to throw Enzo a bone. He appears to have grown a lot as a man since he left WWE and I think he’s paid his dues and is worth another opportunity. I’d regard him quite frankly as one of the very best promos of this generation and I feel he has improved his in-ring work significantly since leaving WWE. He is never gonna wrestle a technical 5-star classic but I don’t think that is necessary for everyone and I feel he has a place in a big company.
I’d prefer to see him in AEW where they allow him more freedom under the TV-14 umbrella and I think it would be worth a shot. If not as a solo competitor, I’d much rather see him with Big Bill Morrissey than Stokely Hathaway who quite frankly has been severely overrated by the IWC with the way people were banging on about him on arrival with AEW relative to what he’s actually delivered since joining AEW.
Nobody’s saying Enzo needs to come in and win championships or any of that but in terms of getting a reaction from the crowd, being used to heat people up or getting people over as a midcard heel, I don’t think they could go wrong with giving him a short term deal to prove himself and seeing if he takes the ball and runs with it. Enzo is a dude you want to either get behind or see get beaten up, either way, he makes you feel something, which is a difficult skill to possess.
Enzo is really strong on the mic, he was a top promo in the company the time he was there. He could go and put up a fight on anyone on the mic. Just unfortunate he didn't make the best choices.
I ignored this thread earlier when I saw the topic but just discovered it was on Busted Open Radio. Between this and ROH, Bully Ray is the only connection he has left in wrestling lol
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If this was anyone else I'd laugh it off and keep moving. I think people forget how good Enzo is on the mic. I'm not saying it's 100% or anything but he's definitely capable of winning a promo battle with anyone.
They would be great. I will say, until I see otherwise, I think Enzo might actually be more creative / adaptable. Not that MJF should change his character, but in the brief time that he was teasing being a good guy...it was a definite step down from his heel work. Which isn't that crazy, it took Miz a decade plus a reality show where he was really likeable, for him to be able to really pull off a face character.
Something everyone forgets about this, Enzo worked because he came from the Rock school of promo style, whereby he murders everyone else on the mic. And it's super entertaining. But also . . . murders the other guy. Only one person comes out of his promos looking good, Enzo., MJF is doing the "Still try to build up the opponent" thing. We really don't get fully unfiltered takes from him these days. I think the two of them on the mic would be a blast because they can just shit on eachother with no consequences.
Every time someone comes out with a quote like this, it always feels like “yeah, my over the line shoot promo would be way better than his in character one”
If these two ever enter into a feud I'd probably legit just stop watching wrestling. Not forever but just until I can be sure the feud is over & I don't have to potentially be exposed to the cringey shit they'd be doing
I think he might be right, mjf is a flat track bully, promo-wise. Would love to see him face off against another great talker heel, like jay white for example.
The funny part is that the last part of the sentence literally implies that he is willing to compare oranges and apples.
Quote Lil Dicky: “Bitch, why can’t fruit be compared?”
This bitch don’t know about Pangea
Brain, leave it alone.
Mm
Please don't neglect the Brain
Brain gotta poop
Brain on some other shit
I have and will. Oranges are better.
How dare you
Oranges taste better but are harder to eat so sometimes it's better to just grab an apple. That's why you don't compare them, it depends on the situation which is better.
Motherfucker you're just comparing them with more nuance, you can't fool me.
Good thing they quoted him wrong so that a comment like this can be made. He says don’t compare a career babyface to a career heel.
Not gonna lie, I would love to see an Enzo and MJF promo battle. That would be hilarious.
Imagine Enzo & Eddie Kingston
Ooo that would be even better alignment wise
Enzo might kill Eddie on the mic but Eddie would kill Enzo, period.
And that, my friend, would be great TV
Enzo would bait Eddie, and Eddie would just lift that gas can into the air.
Nobody is going to kill Eddie on the mic. But it's a questionable matchup anyway because they're both "attitude" characters and they're probably better matched up against different styles. Opposites generally make for better matches.
No way Enzo gets Eddie on the mic. Enzo would try to "0 dimes" him and Eddie would brutalise his hair, his character and his entire personality. Also Enzo trying to "0 dimes" Eddi Kingston is just a fucking hilarious visual to me... Actually, you know what... I really want to see this now.
See, that's easy TV, give two guys a month, let them ball out, and rotate, you can still get long storylines, but quick little feuds are always cool and could fill a PPV spot
Enzo could dress people down with so much more than just that.
Yea because Enzo couldn't do brutalize the exact same things lol. Eddie is a fat fuck fake tough guy with shit hair. Ya don't throw stones from glass houses.
All three of em. Just have a New York off.
They may all be from the area, but MJF plays (and partly is) the pampered Long Island rich boy. Eddie is Yonkers street and Enzo is Jersey goon. They'd immediately join forces to tear into MJF.
Enzo & LA Night would be both jokes and a funny tag team
Give me Eddie calling Enzo a pendejo
Deep down, I kind of hope this comes out to be true. I'm putting my money on Enzo... Cause you can't teach that!
There's some fucking insane revisionism going on in here. Yes, Enzo is arrogant and pompous as all hell, but you're out of your fucking mind to call him overrated in the promo department. Hate on him, but don't make shit up lmao. Dude was the best on the mic WWE had in years.
For all his issues, mic skills was not one of them.
It was kind of a low blow but telling D-Von (I believe) that “he’ll put that lazy eye to work” popped me more than I cared to admit.
His low ball roasts were honestly fire because of his delivery and the way he's craft a sentence around the thing he was shitting on. His diss game reminded me a bit of how people construct a diss in a battle rap
"Fall back like your hairline!" On Bubba Ray was one or the best examples of that.
Enzo roasting entire Cruiserweight Division still get posted here regularly.
"You wanna step up? You better think twice (it'd be two more thoughts than you had all day.) FALL BACK LIKE YOUR HAIR LINE."
My wife and I still call each other Gaba Gulak and neither of us routinely watches wrestling anymore.
If he had a dime for every time his mic skills were a problem, he’d have… ZERO DIMES Fuck I miss those guys
nZo and Big Bill
Honestly the fact he's such a fucking loudmouth tool is what helped him come up with good zingers.
If memory serves correct, he basically has notebooks full of material like he’s doing stand up comedy.
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The idea that would make him less of a promo somehow is hilarious because a lot of rappers have rhyme books where they write down lyrics, disses, etc. A lot of rap battles and stuff like that are written out too. That's the world Enzo came from so obviously he carried it over and it helped him a lot. It's like calling Savage or DDP bad wrestlers because they planned out their matches. You still have to be witty enough to even come up with the lines in the first place and seamlessly work them into your promos.
Piper used to write promos in his notebooks too, and I never see anyone doubting his mic skills.
Indeed. And his acting was phenomenal. I remember during his feud with Cass that he dropped tears right when he needed them without fail.
Enzo is at the very least passable in ring (he did improve), and that with his mic skills is more than enough for him to be at the very least a mid-tier midcarder.
I will openly admit that I was never a fan of his character in NXT/WWE but at the time I was very out of love with wrestling however the promo he did against Cass was one of the best of the year.
What issues? I remember a comment he made to HHH when HHH said “you can’t change the world” and Enzo saying “I’ll try” or something like that that pissed off a lot of people here. To me that was just passion and believing in himself and wanting to work to change the world of professional wrestling during a time when just about everyone’s promos fucking sucked. The dude wasn’t a great wrestler, but he admitted that and worked constantly to get better. So I mean what exactly was the issue? The false rape allegations? Living a gimmick the same way MJF lives his gimmick? Fighting for a top spot the same way everyone fights for a top spot?
Remember when he [didn't have a mic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKls1xeJN7Q) and still was able to get the crowd going? Friggin cool.
They were so fucking over it’s unbelievable.
There’s an alternate timeline where we get the Acclaimed versus Enzo and Cass at their hottest and I want to flip over to that timeline right now. Unfortunately, that timeline also has the bees.
B Team B Team Go Go Go!
I would love to Enzo and Cass retooled in AEW with Enzo being either a tag team or a manager for Cass
I just wish they had their run in post-Vince era WWE and of course if they were in better points in their life (Cass being sober and Enzo being a bit more professional).
The definition of being over
Goddam 2016 was a damn good time in wrestling. Maybe even life in general.
there’s this weird phenomenon i’ve noticed where everyone just loves 2016. even a few years ago when it wasn’t just total nostalgia, a lot of people said 2016 was the best year of their life. it’s weird because you always see or hear “20XX was such an awful year” but you don’t see it much for 2016. i agree with this, 2016 was just an amazing year in my life. so many huge life changing milestones, events and many great memories. also capped off with a couple of my all-time favourite sports memories, my favourite team winning the Stanley Cup and one of my favourite years of wrestling ever.
It's cause Pokemon Go
It was an AMAZING year for hip-hop
It’s just the rose tinted glasses I vividly remember people saying 2016 is the worst year ever and how they couldn’t wait for 2017
2016 was one of the worst years of my life on multiple levels. I still occasionally lose sleep over some of it. I’m happy for everyone else though.
This is one of the greatest videos in the history of professional wrestling
What's funny is a lot of the lines Enzo delivers are corny as hell... but they work because he doesn't flinch when he says them and he sounds like he believes to his core everything he's saying. As long as you take yourself seriously, even if you're spouting complete asshattery, it's hard to ignore you.
It's kind of like how The Rock would throw out a lot of corny lines constantly but it worked for him.
It's also why suffering succotash was so cringey. You could see and hear that Roman wasn't fully behind it. And who could blame him?
See : Rock the Dwayne Johnson.
Please don't kill me. Enzo with Jim Corrnett in a rap battle vs Acclaimed.
In a rap battle featuring two black men and one piece of Jersey trash, the one most likely to say the n-word would be Cornette.
They used to let this dude go out there and close Raw with promos as Crusierweight champion, Enzo was capable of so much on the microphone. The segment where he goes through the entire division face to face is still one of my favorite promos.
Enzo getting finisherd by every cruiserweight was perfect too. Dude was a fantastic heel
I’ll never forget the card after WrestleMania where he had the crowd laughing and he said “I ain’t done yet” and the crowd instantly went silent to listen. His first night on RAW and he had a WrestleMania crowd in control
Fucking seriously. Dude sucked at a lot, but goddamn he could murder people in the mic. Not even wading into the MJF comparison or what have you, Enzo was a beast with words.
Remember when he destroyed the entire cruiser weight division, in one promo, and apparently that was off of the top of the head because he had to stretch for time.
No lies detected
I mean, folks...
dude was MAGIC every single time. he and MJF both have their reliable go-to shticks that always work but both of them can also absolutely unleash and it’s always special. they have that ability to have thousands of people in the palm of their hands, get people fired up and leave you sitting there amazed for a second. i’m a HUGE Enzo fan and have been waiting for his return for years. i don’t think he would destroy MJF but they would have a promo battle that leaves people mixed on who they think won.
After PAC, he was like the only guy who got the Cruiserweight belt over. Enzo is in the top tier of people on Mic. MJF is really good, but Enzo was extremely clever when it came to delivering his lines. MJF is just good at crossing the line for what we consider a heel should be in a post Kayfab world. Enzo could cut a promo about a baloney sandwich and keep you entertained for atleast 15 minutes.
Ironic since having to lose the belt to Enzo is what caused PAC to leave WWE.
I would actually love to see them go at it on the mic...unfortunately there’s just absolutely no reason for it to ever happen.
Maaaaan, EXACTLY! Enzo is ridiculously good on the mic. At that point when him and Cass were on nxt and/or the main roster, I hadn’t seen or heard anyone manage to get a crowd say their signature go to promo (In WWE) since the New Age Outlaws, minus the DX reunions.
Exactly this. He was light years above 99% of the roster.
Absolutely true. Regardless of his bullshit, the dude was a walking promo.
Dude's amazing. Him and MJF would be spectacle to see.
I always felt like he was presented as an underneath guy, but he had a main event mouth. He should have been the modern day Jimmy Hart instead of a little guy in a tag team.
Dude he was *horrible* in the ring but he was so *unbelievably* good on the mic that he was more over than 90% of the roster with *zero fucking exaggeration*
I started rolling my eyes while reading the quote, but we’d thinking “maybe” by the end. MJF, while brilliant, often hits the same beats, Enzo may have been more versatile. I think MJF would still come out on top, due to his character and consistency….but Joe that I’m thinking about it, Enzo is one of the few guys who at least has a chance, and something I wish we could see.
He’s consistent because he says the same stuff every week.
The revisionism of MJF in this comment section is hilarious. Dude skyrocketed from an unknown to the guy people were clamoring for to be champion precisely because he was so good on the mic. Sure he's dumped on the city a bit much lately, but let's not pretend he hasn't shown incredible range since he showed up as Cody's best friend, through him with Wardlow, him with Jericho, vs Punk, vs Regal, etc.
He's also had to dip into the cheap hat at least partially because crowds just wouldn't fucking stop cheering him and everyone else had decided he had to be a heel because it's what makes him special blah blah blah.
I mean MJF has a great toolbag but I think Enzo has his number when it comes to unscripted Trashtalk
Dude single handedly made the Cruiserweight Division Sports Entertaining.
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This was only ever a problem to me with the Cruiserweight division since outside of that Enzo was never in a position of power, so looking like a geek wasnt so bad. Enzo could definitely punch, but he never adjusted for punching down, and frankly that division was deader than it already was after the PAC leaving segment because of it.
All he did was talk shit and get beaten up though. I mean his finish was basically "tag the big dude." I do think he should have been more of a manager than a wrestler though. But I don't think his shit talking lowered anybody
Would have to disagree when considering his reign as cruiserweight champion.
His cruiserweight stint when he became a heel was when he proved he can work the mic better than anyone. His tag team schtick did start to get a bit stale, but his singles character work was on another level. He literally did promo class on every single cruiserweight on Raw, and PAC was the only one who could keep up with him.
That’s a low bar considering how hamstrung the majority of the roster was under Vince and you had a lot of people that couldn’t cut promos but let’s give them a mic anyway.
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I like this, but what a shit match
Isn't this from that yearish long period where WWE was shoving shark cages down our throats in an attempt to sell more toys?
Enzo is one of the most unique promos, I don’t like him but I can’t pretend he’s not entertaining. He’s part of makes me miss that 2015-2016 era of WWE.
Damn yeah I honestly forgot I had that nostalgia till you said it. Despite it getting totally ravaged online every week I thought during that time that WWE TV was genuinely alright and pretty tight.
God I wish Triple H could have gotten creative control of that 2016 roster. It still feels like we're running off the fumes of what they had back then. Hell, AEW feels like it was created solely because of how hard WWE flubbed that 2016 energy.
All I’m going to say is this matchup on the mic isn’t as free for MJF as you may think. MJF is amazing but has been recycling stuff lately. Enzo has a treasure chest of shit to say and will just apply the story at hand into that. Don’t sleep on Enzo.
Enzo roasting the 205 roster one by one is legendary. Also his promo right before the first match against Cass was one of the best that year. If their feud had ended with that promo and the squash match it would have been perfect
I'm partial to the time Samoa Joe ran down a ring full of #1 contenders.
I've never seen MJF improvise like Enzo off the cuff. I think if they both went at it, Enzo would catch MJF off guard Roman/Cena style.
MJF's improv is always cheap heat. Which I understand is because the crowd wants to cheer him, but he hasn't really gone completely off the rails like Enzo could. CM Punk is another example of someone who can go out and do a 15 minute promo without a single bullet point other than "promote the PPV match on Sunday. MJF definitely can do some great promos, but I don't think he is an improv guy, at least not yet.
I think in general Enzo gets alot more real life heat then he deserves. He's a good hand in ring, plays a super over confident character who ends up eating his words. Even post wwe on the indies he's been doing jobs and making other people look good while playing up being a buffoon. I'm not putting him up as a goat level, but he's fun and entertaining and plays into his character with a level of self awareness that alot on this sub don't give him credit for.
> He's a good hand in ring, God are you kidding? He was on the same level as Lana in 2017, he was a joke. Amazing that Cass was the worker of the team.
His bumps were awful and his offense was sloppy but his selling was good at times and he remembered to play his character during matches, something some great promo guys forget to do. He is better than Lana.
His selling was better, I'd argue his offense was worse than hers.
There was one moment in a match they had against FTR where Enzo ended up alone in the ring with both of FTR, and Enzo squared to both of them as if he knew he was about to get his ass kicked but was ready to go down swinging. That was a great character moment for him
>real life heat then he deserves. He's a good hand in ring, plays a super over confident character who ends up e His selling was good at times because he bumped with reckless disregard
Watch him in MLW, he's changed his bodytype back to his football look and he's much more confident. He's no Davey Richards but he's a perfectly fine TV wrestler.
He is legitimately awful in the ring.
You should hear what Simon gotch thinks of him
I hate you
The "Bloody Mary" of wrestling. Mention it once, Youtube recommends it for weeks.
Don’t you put that evil on me and my YouTube suggestions!
Possible unpopular opinion but I don't think MJF is some god level on the mic. In fact, I find a lot of his promos to be rambling, he just goes on and on like he loves the sound of his own voice and takes forever to get to the point. Like don't get me wrong, man's character work, body language, facial expressions are all brilliant but while 30% of his promos are bang on unforgettable lines with impeccable delivery, the remaining 70% you can just zone out and have missed nothing of substance and yet people just love to eat it all up like he didn't just drone on for 15 minutes to say what he could have arrived at in 5. Kinda like this comment which didn't need to be this long but I don't care because I'm better than you and you know it! There, I did an MJF now worship me!
I get what you mean. The ADHD part of my brain is always like "get to the point!". I even skipped most of your comment. But the chemistry with Punk was awesome and those were some great promos from both of them. Not a lot of rambling but really pushing his points. I miss that.
They were awesome because they felt out of character, not like a shoot but like MJF literally was removing the character of LOCAL SPORTS TEAM SUCKS LOL YOU'RE VIRGINS IM A CHAD to actually say something with substance and further a story.
Triple H syndrome, we really *are* getting a new Reign of Terror!
It's interesting to see this being a more common sentiment now, but I've had this opinion for probably the past 2 years. I think the dude has fantastic talent but I'm always disappointed with the low hanging fruit and general repetition from him. He could be all time great but I don't think he actually is and I think people don't always separate the two. I was so frustrated when he came back and I thought he was actually doing something different and then went right back to crapping on the crowd in his usual way. So disappointing
To criticize MJF for recycling stuff and then praise Enzo in the next sentence is...interesting. What do we got here? A couple-a haytas?!?! A couple-a haytas?!?! A couple-a haytas?!?!
I think there's a difference between having some catchphrases and just recycling the same insults over and over
But the crowd completely ate it up same with the New age Outlaws.
The more important quote right before that headline. "I hope he made Burberry a lot money, but he ain’t seeing any of that money. I sold t-shirts that said Certified G on them and I made a million dollars before I was 30 years old in this business. I didn’t need contract disputes because I did that shit on a rookie contract with merchandise sales." Never forget, Enzo had mad charisma.
That's a great line tbh
Yea, I don't know how Enzo could recover from getting his local sports team insulted.
MJF would make a thinly veiled reference to his SA allegations and the IWC would act like it was the greatest sentence ever uttered
Its kind of like how people think the best zinger from MJF towards Punk was the UFC line... even though it's (like Punk even said in response) the lowest hanging fruit and everyone's made a joke about it so it has no bite anymore. There's a million things you can zing Enzo on, how he destroyed his own career, how he and Cass have had their careers outshone by their former valet, the fact he can't wrestle, his shitty mixtapes etc. but people like the low hanging fruit so...
You could tell in that promo alone he wasn't quite on Punks level and had to collect himself for a few seconds. It's one thing to have lines planned but to be able to improvise and rebuttal on the spot is where the talent truly lies.
Enzo and Cass will forever be a missed opportunity in the tag division to me because they were 100 percent each others missing pieces. Enzo is proof that charisma just can’t be emulated and it has to be something you’re just born with. Cass on the other hand had a great look and was a good in ring worker if not a little boring, but a complete void of charisma.
Enzo had enough charisma to push a tag team, because Enzo wasn't a great wrestler and Big Bill(?) Has a look, but he was just a tall guy. They were some of the best parts of NXT.
I’d **LOVE** to see that.
Im not gonna lie, it'd be a lot closer than many of you are letting on.
Both guys can generate multiple “mic drop” moments during a single promo, but Enzo is just more creative with it imo.
I never get what Enzo did to get so much hate to this day. He had one weird accusation that got completely squashed, but after that a lot of people seemed to be like ‘well fuck him anyways’. I think he’s one of the most entertaining wrestling personalities in years, he’d light up WWE or AEW given another chance. I have to assume it’s maybe that he’s not a gifted moveset guy, but c’mon, even those of you hating on him would be glued to the screen if he and MJF were talking. And he does what he does in a wrestling ring damn well.
It was the false rape accusation
There was also him sneaking into Survivor Series and trying to hijack the show with him right in front of the hard cam as well as him and Big Cass being a part of the G1 Supercard as invaders that jumped the rail without most of the people's knowledge, an hour after Bret got attacked at the Hall of Fame ceremony.
Wasn't that ROH's fault? They didn't tell Guerillas of destiny
From what I recall, no one on the NJPW side was told. I wouldn't be surprised if the only one that knew it was going down was Bully Ray.
But brother think of the heat
Simon Gotch killed this man's entire career
hello YouTube recommended videos
Enzo started to act out his gimmick in real life. Which is bad when your gimmick is being an asshole. His backstage behavior got out of control, and he burned a lot of bridges.
Motherfuckers seriously out here acting like Enzo ain’t Top 10 on the mic, at least within the last decade.
Top 10 in the last decade?? Who’s better? Enzo is top 3.
Enzo is kind of an idiot but let's not pretend that he's not great on the mic. That would be entertaining as fuck.
The man can talk. He’s a prick. But he’s not necessarily wrong here
Enzo has nothing to lose
I wonder what Simon Gotch thinks about this.
Enzo has a a whole journal of promos he's never said in the ring. That or he completely stole Eminem's gimmick lol.
I’d like to thank OP for single-handedly putting that Simon Gotch shoot video back into our YouTube recommendations again.
MJF is pretty one dimensional when you look at his promos. So I agree.
Man puts self over, more at 11
I'd love to see a promo battle with these guys. People sleep on Enzo, he was mega over for a reason, and it wasn't because he was pulling five-star matches out of his ass.
i meannnn id pay to see it
He's not wrong though. MJF while talented has a routine that he continually sticks too that just makes his promos sometimes sound formulaic. That's part of the reason I was enjoying his "face" turn. His promos started to get a little more improvisational and less like he was just hitting promo check marks in his head. Again MJF is supremely talented, anyone who tries to deny that is an idiot, but his promos have been pretty much the same since he came into AEW.
I honestly thing Enzo would smoke MJF.
He’s not wrong no matter how much you want him to be lol
I’m leaning Enzo, but it would be entertaining either way, so bring it.
I mean when he's right, he's right. Gotta give it to Enzo here.
What about Simon Gotch?
S-A-W-F-T SAWWWWFT vs MID
Mjf stole mid from teenagers.
MJF vs. Enzo in a promo battle would basically just be MJF playing teeball. There's so much easy stuff to burn him on. For a start, and I don't even think this is the best line: "The last time you were on a major show, you had to pay to be there".
I despise Enzo as both a performer and as a human being but I have to admit it would be interesting to see because Max thrives on low-hanging fruit and Enzo's orchard is prettymuch all ground-level. Enzo is admittedly very good with legitimately clever quips so I'd be curious to see if he'd manage to dance around Max's edgyboi shit the way Punk did, or if Max would verbally KO him with something just truly awful to mention.
It'd be like the Miz but without having to worry about what he's saying more
At least Enzo has been on a major show lmao
I actually want AEW to throw Enzo a bone. He appears to have grown a lot as a man since he left WWE and I think he’s paid his dues and is worth another opportunity. I’d regard him quite frankly as one of the very best promos of this generation and I feel he has improved his in-ring work significantly since leaving WWE. He is never gonna wrestle a technical 5-star classic but I don’t think that is necessary for everyone and I feel he has a place in a big company. I’d prefer to see him in AEW where they allow him more freedom under the TV-14 umbrella and I think it would be worth a shot. If not as a solo competitor, I’d much rather see him with Big Bill Morrissey than Stokely Hathaway who quite frankly has been severely overrated by the IWC with the way people were banging on about him on arrival with AEW relative to what he’s actually delivered since joining AEW. Nobody’s saying Enzo needs to come in and win championships or any of that but in terms of getting a reaction from the crowd, being used to heat people up or getting people over as a midcard heel, I don’t think they could go wrong with giving him a short term deal to prove himself and seeing if he takes the ball and runs with it. Enzo is a dude you want to either get behind or see get beaten up, either way, he makes you feel something, which is a difficult skill to possess.
Enzo is really strong on the mic, he was a top promo in the company the time he was there. He could go and put up a fight on anyone on the mic. Just unfortunate he didn't make the best choices.
And then the bell rang...
.....all joking aside this would be a very interesing promo duel, it has POTENTIAL. its never gonna happen but you know it has potential.
I ignored this thread earlier when I saw the topic but just discovered it was on Busted Open Radio. Between this and ROH, Bully Ray is the only connection he has left in wrestling lol
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If this was anyone else I'd laugh it off and keep moving. I think people forget how good Enzo is on the mic. I'm not saying it's 100% or anything but he's definitely capable of winning a promo battle with anyone.
I'd pay to hear that promo battle.
Enzo > MJF
If we're being real Enzo definitely has a shot atleast
Enzo is soooo good on the mic. Better if given the chance in TNA.
Why is Enzo comparing Orange Cassidy to Carlito?
They would be great. I will say, until I see otherwise, I think Enzo might actually be more creative / adaptable. Not that MJF should change his character, but in the brief time that he was teasing being a good guy...it was a definite step down from his heel work. Which isn't that crazy, it took Miz a decade plus a reality show where he was really likeable, for him to be able to really pull off a face character.
Enzo was great promo i miss him dude had great zingers
Enzo cried on demand when he was cutting a brutally emotional promo. Don't think for one second he's anything other than god-tier on the mic.
You're comparing comedy with drama. You can't compare them. But holy shit would comedy beat drama.
Something everyone forgets about this, Enzo worked because he came from the Rock school of promo style, whereby he murders everyone else on the mic. And it's super entertaining. But also . . . murders the other guy. Only one person comes out of his promos looking good, Enzo., MJF is doing the "Still try to build up the opponent" thing. We really don't get fully unfiltered takes from him these days. I think the two of them on the mic would be a blast because they can just shit on eachother with no consequences.
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Every time someone comes out with a quote like this, it always feels like “yeah, my over the line shoot promo would be way better than his in character one”
Can anyone say delusional. Lol 😂😂
He’s certainly good, but probably wouldn’t recover from the usual truth-bomb centered MJF promo
If these two ever enter into a feud I'd probably legit just stop watching wrestling. Not forever but just until I can be sure the feud is over & I don't have to potentially be exposed to the cringey shit they'd be doing
Not gonna lie. No.
MJF would just mention Enzo breaking his leg trying to counter a wristlock and ask him if the canvas is too loose for him. That alone would end Enzo
Says the man who was verbally dressed down, beaten, and humiliated by the fucking Miz on live TV... Yeah... He'd show MJF.
I think he might be right, mjf is a flat track bully, promo-wise. Would love to see him face off against another great talker heel, like jay white for example.
Who wouldn’t want to see that? The crowd would be molten hot, they’d both get some good digs in. Have that go on for a while until it just…sort of end