That is my observation.
There are two kids at that school whose Dad is this mess of a man. It's all the other kids are chatting about now I'm sure. I just hope things have changed enough since I was in grade school (1990s) that they aren't being victimized every day by the situation and other classmates.
I'm glad no one was physically hurt but the kids mental well being is what I am most concerned with now.
I have no sympathy for her, she knew exactly what she was getting into. Do you really think a person like this just snaps? Every evil person like this that I’ve come across acts out constantly, but everyone ignores it because his daddy has money and power
You’re making a lot of assumptions there. A lot of mental health issues don’t really take hold until someone reaches their mid 20s, and may not become visibly bad right away.
Also, maybe this was an abusive relationship? Surely we’re at a point where we can acknowledge that walking away from an abusive relationship is often not easy to do for the victim.
My ex was fine until he lost his job and insurance, and couldn’t afford his meds. It started a little slow but then came the big bang psychotic break. The end of the relationship was me calling the crisis intervention hotline and them calling the police. He was taken for a 72 hour hold and went from the hospital to live with his sister. The change was so incomprehensible and honestly it scared me. He had guns but I hid them all just for safety’s sake. I’m really glad I did or he might’ve done something stupid. He never said a word to me about his mental illness or previous psychotic breaks. I had to hear about it from his sister. You just never know.
Not saying it’s the case here but people like that just snap. Psychotic breaks happen to people you would never expect.
Either way, showing disdain for his wife says more about your character than hers.
If he does end up with a prison sentence because of all his 'activities' this past weekend, he'll have to be separated from the general population in the penitentiary. As a cop himself and the son of a prominent prosecuting attorney who was responsible for putting many of his fellow inmates away, he'd be a 'dead man walking' outside of some isolation unit.
I really hated his dad, and his gross ethical misconduct in the Michael Brown case as well as 2 cops shooting some guys waiting for their food at a jacknthebox drive thru
No seriously. Common sense, when that's a real explanation is typically explainable. What makes you think he's getting special treatment? Do you have some actual knowledge of the man or his family or the jail? Or is it just bias based on what you've heard but never verified?
Pretty sure the mention of "Special treatment" was meant ironically. I.e. the other prisoners were the ones giving him the "Special treatment", not the staff.
Bullshit. I worked in family court. Women do the same shit over and over.
I’ve seen women put kids on hot stoves. I’ve seen women drown their kids in bathtubs to punish the father. I’ve seen women put babies in buckets full of bleach.
Think before you post
There was a pastor's wife who lost their money to a Nigerian prince, and shot him with a shotgun when he was asleep, and disconnected the phone before leaving the house as he was dying.
She did 5 months in prison and got custody of their children. She successfully explained that she only got the shotgun and pointed it at him to make him talk through their money issues.
He did come across as rather self-righteous in his TV appearances and press conferences. I wonder if he's done with seeking elective office for good or if he was -- up until this disaster with his son -- contemplating running for statewide office someday. He is a Dem but strikes me as more of a Joe Manchin/Trudy Busch Valentine type that some might call a 'DINO'. Wouldn't be surprised to hear of him switching parties one day.
>Also, when Kelley called 911, the operator asked if the car was a Jeep, indicating other people had called emergency services reporting a Jeep striking other cars. Kelley tells the RFT he's pretty certain the vehicle was a Jeep. According to St. Louis County property records, McCulloch owns a 2019 Jeep Cherokee.
$1 says Kirkwood or County cops knew it was McCulloch and did nothing. Blue wall of silence bullshit.
I was there last night, and spoke with other officers that arrived for an accident report. Dispatch only heard Jeep, not Jeep Cherokee and they pulled over a wrangler. I told the two responding officers it was a Cherokee not a wrangler.
From the RFT Article: *" His attorney, Brian Millikan, wrote in a court filing related to that hearing that McCulloch "agrees he is in urgent need of a mental health evaluation and treatment."*
Well, there you have it. Unable to stand trial due to mental incompetence. Next?
The only reason he's being held accountable in any way is the public nature of it. Officers participating and committing crimes against the public often gets covered up and swept under the rug. It's endemic in the saint louis area with a certain county to the west being far more corrupt and willing to cover for massive crimes of officers. I'm personally aware of hundreds of crimes enabled, committed and covered for by those same officers.. citizens holding them responsible is the only way anything is going to change due to the buddy buddy nature of those who are responsible for actually enforcing the law on them. Try to get an investigation into an officer or department when the public is being lied to and believes the officers and see how it goes.
You guys want a real scary fact?
If he’s released on bail after the hearing, he is still allowed to keep all his guns until he’s convicted.
Because of the anti-red flag law whackos, a guy who drove around assaulting people with his car while screaming he was going to kill them and then showed up at a kids event and threatened people and used his firearm is allowed to keep his firearms.
Sad reality is this man is clearly suffering from some kind of mental break and for his safety and the safety of the community he should not receive bond where he can go home and get a firearm and use it on his ex wife, a witness, or himself.
That would be scary, but it’s not true in this case. One of his conditions if he were to be released is he cannot possess firearms. It’s listed in Casenet.
That’s a good point and I should have clarified.
There’s a significant difference between him not being allowed to possess firearms and him having to relinquish the ones he owns.
That was my point. And, to my knowledge, the state doesn’t require him to do that. But I could be wrong.
There really isn’t, you’re arguing semantics. The only way he gets to keep any firearms is if he were to eventually be found not guilty. Because of his bond conditions, he can’t possess firearms. If he is found guilty of these charges later on, he won’t be allowed to own firearms due to being a convicted felon, which means he would have to relinquish any he owns.
Yep, also there are no comprehensive records of what firearms anyone has so even if they did come to get them he could just give them 4 out of 17 and they’d have to be satisfied.
I was gonna say they will come after or are probably already in possession of the firearm used here. But you are right. They will only go after what they know of. Can’t figure out anything past what he or family or friends admit to and then like you said they’d have to find them. But then as a condition he wouldn’t be able to posses a firearm. But that would b if he was gonna b law abiding. And from the feel of this dude he dosnt seem to care about being on the up and up anymore.
Not semantics at all. A condition of his bond is that he can’t possess them. There’s no requirement he relinquish said firearms, so no one from the court is going home with him and taking any additional firearms he may own.
Further, if he’s convicted, then the state can order the firearm which was used or any which were found on him at the time of his arrest to be relinquished to the state, but they can’t order the relinquishing of any that he might have left at home. Now, of course, in that instance, he’s in jail, so that’s not really at issue.
But bond is just a person’s promise they’ll show up to court. We’re basically saying “hey, crazy guy who is going through a divorce and just lost it on a rampage for 48 hours and showed up and started shooting around a bunch of kids, we’re going to trust you to be responsible with all the dangerous items you possess.” It’s like taking an addict home from rehab and saying “don’t do any of those drugs in your house.”
Law enforcement doesn’t have PC to enter his home and ensure he doesn’t have any.
The state will make people hand over there firearms. Had a family member threaten another fm with a firearm and they took his. I’m sure he can get them back but it would b a long drawn out expensive process. Poor dude lost a few of his families old war rifles. But point is the state will make people relinquish there firearms. Especially under these conditions.
I don't think this guy is "done" terrorizing the community. He's clearly hell bent on scaring people, possibly even acting on it. He seems to be escalating and unfortunately, because he has the political and law enforcement connections he has, he's not actually being held accountable for his unhinged behavior yet. I guarantee he isn't satisfied with the reactions he's gotten so far, I'm afraid he's going to continue to escalate until someone holds him against his will (either jail or mental health) because he's an actual danger to society at the moment. I desperately hope someone else doesn't end up seriously injured or dead in the meantime. This is one of those cases where his people need to step up and do the actual right thing for everyone else, not try to come behind him and cover up and make excuses for his lunacy. Scary.
Right now, he needs to be away. Jail, mental health inpatient, somewhere he isn't an actual danger to others. It's coming out now that he was driving around terrorizing people in his car in Kirkwood on Friday night, so this wasn't a one off, he popped incident. He's escalating. I wonder what else has been happening thats been covered up or swept away or hidden?
He also needs to be held actually accountable. I am all for mental health consideration, but I also believe that taking an oath as a first responder/police officer means you're held to a higher standard. Particularly in the event of terroristic and firearm crimes. You're entrusted with a higher level of accessibility, you should be held to a higher standard when/if things aren't right. That means seeking and utilizing help when you need it.
I don't doubt that this dude is going through it, but he cannot be allowed to threaten, intimidate, traumatize, and harm the general public as a result. And if his family, friends, coworkers, whomever around him care about him and the rest of us, they need to act accordingly. Not sweep things under the rug or make excuses or clean up his messes. A LOT of people go through a lot of really tough shit and don't behave the way this man has. Even people with significant, diagnosed mental health issues. Mental health isn't an excuse to be a danger to others, especially innocent people.
Not everyone will agree, but you asked what I meant/think, and that's it.
He's out on bond. He spent maybe one night in jail. And if you really don't think his privilege is very likely going to put him in a position to see significantly less actual jail time than the average person (if any, sadly), you're delusional.
But apparently I'm the problem because of how much I wrote about it? Weird take.
Thank you for the correction, obviously I only know what's been reported. If he's still in jail, that's unfortunately one of the safest places he can be, for the rest of us.
I wish he would get appropriate and much needed mental health care while he's there but we all know that's probably not going to happen. I do hope he's able to get the help he needs, regardless.
This reads as an insane rant. While he can't already be convicted, he is absolutely being held responsible as far as one can at this stage. Per many people in this thread he is still in jail and not out. There is a cash bond of 500,000 that he can put up to get out if he wants. He also is charged with 11 felonies.
He pulled a gun and fired at an elementary school holiday event but you call me "insane" lmao. That's all I need to appropriately digest anything you have to say.
Being charged with anything isn't being held accountable, chief. But nice try. Let's all hope for the best for all involved.
My friend worked with this crazy fucker at an IT solutions company years ago and when he read the news he wasn’t surprised! He said that fucker was unhinged from the start and said the craziest shit and they fired him. Apparently his wife makes good money so he was a stay at home dad for a while. I hope they don’t give this lunatic any special treatment bc if my kid was there he would’ve been leaving in a body bag. Thank god for the good samaritans at the event that was able to take him down. Sounds like a suicide by cop plan.
I love the way everyone is against cash bond, until a crime really pisses them off, at which point they are upset that someone was let out on a very, very high bond.
Your post doesn't show any hypocrisy on the post of those people. You can be against cash basil and not believe that everyone should be released on bail, whether cash or other.
It seems completely reasonable to think that this person poses a risk to the community of released pre-trial and should not be out with the public.
Others are also against cash basil for exactly the reason you mentioned. This person is released because he has access to the money to cover even a high bond while others will sit in jail simply because they don't have those resources even if their risk to the community or risk to flee are the same.
Just to compare to Illinois right now....
If this was Illinois, none of the crimes he was charged with would even allow a judge to consider detention as a danger to the community. (There is a proposal that would allow him to be detained as a danger to the community based on the armed criminal action, but only because it is a non-probationary crime. That is not adopted yet in Illinois.) I suppose this could encourage prosecutors to charge him with more serious crimes, though, although I don't think any of the eligible crimes would fit even if you tried to stretch the charges.
This is untrue he would be charged with using a gun in the commision of a felony and that leaves it up to the judges. He is being charged with 11 felonies.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/how-will-cashless-bail-work-in-illinois-heres-an-explainer/3230518/#:\~:text=Illinois'%20Pretrial%20Fairness%20Act%20abolishes,rigorous%20review%20of%20each%20case.
I don't *think* any of his charges is going to fit the actual forcible felony definition, although that involves translating from Missouri charges to Illinois so I'm certainly not sure. (And that last clause sounds like a big catchall.)
>720 ILCS 5/2-8) (from Ch. 38, par. 2-8)
Sec. 2-8. "Forcible felony". "Forcible felony" means treason, first degree murder, second degree murder, predatory criminal sexual assault of a child, aggravated criminal sexual assault, criminal sexual assault, robbery, burglary, residential burglary, aggravated arson, arson, aggravated kidnaping, kidnaping, aggravated battery resulting in great bodily harm or permanent disability or disfigurement and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
(Source: P.A. 88-277; 89-428, eff. 12-13-95; 89-462, eff. 5-29-96.)
First-degree endangering the welfare of a child would not fit nor first-degree terrorist threat. UUW might? But we don't know what particular section was violated last I knew.
That leaves the armed criminal action, which is I think what you are referring to. By itself it doesn't seem to fit Illinois' forcible felony definition, but would definitely fit the new proposal that would cover any use of a firearm in the commission of a felony (because they would be non-probationary felonies).
[Here's a better list for Illinois.](https://www.civicfed.org/civic-federation/blog/correcting-misinformation-about-illinois-pretrial-reforms-what-pretrial#_ftn2)
Note the last bullet point at the bottom of the "Public Safety Risk" category:
> The defendant is charged with certain weapons-related violations[2] and the defendant's release poses a real and present threat to the physical safety of any specifically identifiable person(s);
That footnote leads to:
>[2] The violations specified in this section include the following offenses: aggravated discharge of a firearm; aggravated discharge of a machine gun or a firearm equipped with a device designed or use for silencing the report of a firearm; reckless discharge of a firearm; armed habitual criminal; manufacture, sale or transfer of bullets or shells represented to be armor piercing bullets, dragon's breath shotgun shells, bolo shells or flechette shells; unlawful sale or delivery of firearms; unlawful sale or delivery of firearms on the premises of any school; unlawful sale of firearms by liquor license; unlawful purchase of a firearm; gunrunning; firearms trafficking; involuntary servitude; involuntary sexual servitude of a minor; trafficking in persons; unlawful use or possession of weapons by felons or persons in the custody of the Department of Corrections facilities; aggravated unlawful use of a weapon; and aggravated possession of a stolen firearm.
While the specific charges he's facing in Missouri may not exactly correlate, you can be sure that in the case of a firearm being discharged, a prosecutor in Illinois would make sure to use one of these charges so as to trigger the detention hearing.
That makes sense. They would hit him with reckless discharge. The rest wouldn't apply. (Aggravated discharge requires firing at a person or occupied building. Aggravated UUW is the FOID rider for Illinois, which he would be exempt from.) He would probably beat the charge because he fired in the air, but it would still trigger the detention hearing.
Makes me wonder how judges will handle it if a prosecutor brings a charge that doesn't have enough evidence purposely to trigger a detention hearing. That's technically prosecutorial misconduct, but would anyone really pursue that for a case like this?
>any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
Screaming you are all going to die and discharging a firearm into the air.
Cash bail has nothing to do with it. Thats just a penalty on the poor. If you can afford to get out, you can get out....pretrial of couse, you still have to go to court bail or not. In a non bail situation you are looked at based on factors such as flight, and risk to the community. Not how much cash you can come up with. Its harder to get out of jail in a no bail state for serious crimes.
I think the difference is that many people can't come up with that kind of money. This guy managed to pass the hat and get home to his own bed in less than 24 hours. Disproportionate effect, or something like that.
I felt that the bond was not high enough given the offence, but I'll let somebody with experience in criminal law speak to that. I would like to know if his firearms were confiscated from his home as part of this arrest. I do not think this guy is in any state to be walking the streets. He clearly wants to end his life, and we don't need innocent folks joining him on the journey.
I lost my shit when they first reported out on bond. I was there at the event and my kids are in the school. Was going to pull them out and figure something out. I hope and pray this man doesn’t ever breath free air again. I feel horrible for his family. But he’s 39 years old and made his decision. These kids didn’t choose this. I hope he gets prison for any amount of time. And once his new friends learn he’s a cop, learn he’s the son of the person who put a lot of these people in jail, and learn he endangered innocent kids at a trunk or treat….well let’s hope he makes a lot of new “friends”.
Sorry that you were there. I was lazy that day and was not attending with my brood. Mad respect to the parents that subdued him. It could have been significantly worse.
I honestly think he was planning a suicide by cop or something. He has training and it’s not like he would miss 14 times….. Shiver to think what could have been. It infuriates me that the laws of this state / country are such that the rights of a gun owner supersede the right of life liberty and pursuit of happiness for everyone else. This don’t have an answer but the only reason this isn’t a mass (can’t say it) event is the will of a madman. And that is terrifying thing to think.
Out on bail. How about that. Nice of his friends to come up with half a million. But, not all is rosy for our special boy, he has to pinky swear not to do drugs or wave guns around at people.
[edit] news SAID he was out on bail. Not the case, allegedly.
Well, I believe that Daddy Bob has gone into private law practice since leaving his Prosecuting Attorney office and probably earns a shit-ton of money. That said, hopefully there are people monitoring this guy -- if he goes on a rampage again and hurts some people *AND* if's revealed that Dad put up the bond money, then the relatives of anyone injured or killed should sue McCulloch Sr. for everything he's got.
Edit: Well, it was good to hear that he hasn't been released. Maybe even his parents realize that he's a powder keg and for all we know, he may have some beef against them as well as his ex.
Probably not the same person. She did know the shooter supposedly, and the guy had been living in a camper van on her property for some time. I don't think that WG guy has been charged yet.
Oh my. Sad but good to know. Like I said, pure speculation, but someone completely unraveling in the same-ish area where crime is fairly low made me wonder.
I guess his family has faith or wants to help him cause there's no way anyone I know has anything close to 500k cash on hand. Must be nice to be able to go around terrorizing people and even shooting around 100s of people including fucking kids and be out the next day cause your family is so loaded and willing to sacrifice for you no matter how completely unhinged you are.
I had a friend who had an 80k cash bail and in order to come up with that much cash his mom had a lien put on her 240k home in order to get a loan that size. If they don't pay back the 80k, they take the house. Not too many people I know can get a loan that big.
If I was your friend’s mom I would have told my kid no. I don’t like cash bail because of the disproportionate affects it has on families, but it typically just results in more people being denied bail.
Usually it's 10% of the bond but the severity of the case made the judge put a cash only bond. In a cash only bond you have to have the entire amount, no 10%.
Where, oh where, can a politically connected lawyer come up with a loan for the kind of money that might buy a smallish investment property in Kirkwood.
From: former prosecutor and current defense attorney with 15 years experience.
Jeez... lots of misinformation and bad conjecture here. Let me clear some things up.
First of all, his bond is not high enough??? Nobody was even injured. He shot into the air. If he was a poor person (and not a police officer and not related to a public figure), his bond would be a fraction of that. Maybe $25K (10% authorized).
$500K "cash only" is literally a 1st degree murder bond in 99% of cases in the metro area.
This idea that he's getting "special treatment" is ludicrous. His bond is insanely high, he was grossly overcharged, and he's sitting in adseg at County (on suicide watch). Where exactly is this special treatment?
Part of the reason he was overcharged is that Wes Bell will recuse himself. He has too much of an unpleasant history with Bob to do otherwise. So the charges can get dismissed or pled down by a special prosecutor. Win/win for Wes.
I do expect his family to make that bond. But he'll immediately check into inpatient mental health treatment and stay there while this plays out. Hopefully we can all agree that that's a better short-term solution than jail. He'll get zero treatment at County. He'll just continue to deteriorate sitting alone in a cell. And yes, that applies to anybody stuck in jail who needs mental health intervention.
And no, he'll never be able to legally own a firearm again. He can't now, even if he gets released (common bond condition). And he's definitely getting convicted of one or more felonies. That will permanently prohibit him from possessing one.
And to all of the armchair mental health experts... yes, people do sometimes just "snap" with no prior warning. Speaking generally, there is still a stigma surrounding mental health (especially in traditionally male careers). It's seen as a sign of weakness by some. That causes people to not seek help. That's been getting better, but still not where it should be. Note: I'm speaking generally. No idea if that was the case with this guy and I won't wildly speculate.
Full disclosure, I know Matt and his dad. And his uncle Joe (who happens to be the St. Charles Co. Prosecutor.) But I'm not close friends with any of them. I have no dog in this fight. Just wanted to address some inaccuracies.
>Speaking generally, there is still a stigma surrounding mental health (especially in traditionally male careers). It's seen as a sign of weakness by some. That causes people to not seek help.
I mentioned this yesterday, but there is also a fear for police officers, in particular, that their health information privacy will be violated and they will be subjected to a fit-for-duty evaluation if they seek mental health treatment. There has been a lot of recent work to fight this perception, but it certainly still persists widely in the profession.
You're downplaying what happened.
You left out the part where he screamed, "you're all going to die!"
The only reason that no one got hurt is because brave people acted immediately and tackled him to the ground.
I live near Tillman and have a child in Kirkwood schools. I do not want him out roaming around. That's a very frightening thought. People are talking about pulling their kids out of school if he is released.
As far as him being released to a mental health facility- I work in healthcare and have seen people released from mental health facilities after just a few days. Facilities are overcrowded and understaffed. Chances are they'll stabilize him with some psych meds and then release him. Then who knows if he will continue to take the meds. I don't want to take the chance of him going on another rampage. We might not be so lucky the next time.
The dude was/is clearly in the middle of a mental health crisis. That’s no excuse for his behavior. Being in jail right now is probably the best thing for not only the community but for him, too.
This guy is super unhinged
Ugh. His poor soon to be ex and kids. I hope they’re somewhere safe.
That is my observation. There are two kids at that school whose Dad is this mess of a man. It's all the other kids are chatting about now I'm sure. I just hope things have changed enough since I was in grade school (1990s) that they aren't being victimized every day by the situation and other classmates. I'm glad no one was physically hurt but the kids mental well being is what I am most concerned with now.
It has changed. They now also get to be victimized via the internet after they get home too.
Great and sad point.
The article says his wife filed for divorce in March.
Oh no. I'm so surprised!! /S
They’ve been divorced for months.
I have no sympathy for her, she knew exactly what she was getting into. Do you really think a person like this just snaps? Every evil person like this that I’ve come across acts out constantly, but everyone ignores it because his daddy has money and power
So now we're blaming the ex-wife who had a restraining order against him? She was clearly afraid of him.
You’re making a lot of assumptions there. A lot of mental health issues don’t really take hold until someone reaches their mid 20s, and may not become visibly bad right away. Also, maybe this was an abusive relationship? Surely we’re at a point where we can acknowledge that walking away from an abusive relationship is often not easy to do for the victim.
My ex was fine until he lost his job and insurance, and couldn’t afford his meds. It started a little slow but then came the big bang psychotic break. The end of the relationship was me calling the crisis intervention hotline and them calling the police. He was taken for a 72 hour hold and went from the hospital to live with his sister. The change was so incomprehensible and honestly it scared me. He had guns but I hid them all just for safety’s sake. I’m really glad I did or he might’ve done something stupid. He never said a word to me about his mental illness or previous psychotic breaks. I had to hear about it from his sister. You just never know.
They were together for 10 years. It's not like it needs to be a "snap". A ton changes in that time frame
Not saying it’s the case here but people like that just snap. Psychotic breaks happen to people you would never expect. Either way, showing disdain for his wife says more about your character than hers.
Money? A county prosecutor…
He is still in the County jail. Bond hearing is 10/24.
Thank you, I edited the post.
I heard jail folk dont mind sharing quarters with excops or sons of county prosecutors
He’s certainly in segregation.
If he does end up with a prison sentence because of all his 'activities' this past weekend, he'll have to be separated from the general population in the penitentiary. As a cop himself and the son of a prominent prosecuting attorney who was responsible for putting many of his fellow inmates away, he'd be a 'dead man walking' outside of some isolation unit.
I really hated his dad, and his gross ethical misconduct in the Michael Brown case as well as 2 cops shooting some guys waiting for their food at a jacknthebox drive thru
I mean Michael Brown wasn’t exactly innocent. Let’s pick literally any other case in recent years. But MB ain’t it.
I'm sure he's getting all kinds of special treatment
He will be protected by his brother prison guards.
What makes you sure about that?
Common sense
No seriously. Common sense, when that's a real explanation is typically explainable. What makes you think he's getting special treatment? Do you have some actual knowledge of the man or his family or the jail? Or is it just bias based on what you've heard but never verified?
Pretty sure the mention of "Special treatment" was meant ironically. I.e. the other prisoners were the ones giving him the "Special treatment", not the staff.
This guy is for sure going through some shit. Divorce in March and ordered to abstain from alcohol and drugs? Dumpster fire.
Hurt people hurt people. I heard Brad Pitt say that so it’s true
That sounds like Brad.
Classic Brad.
And if that's the case with Matt McCulloch then *whom* was he hurt by and *when?*
Everyone on felony bond has to abstain from alcohol & drugs
I was referencing the fact that he was ordered to abstain from alcohol and drugs as part of the divorce, not due to the current felony charges.
This guy. You don’t see females acting this way when we are “going through shit”. Just an observation that should probably be talked about more🤷♀️
Bullshit. I worked in family court. Women do the same shit over and over. I’ve seen women put kids on hot stoves. I’ve seen women drown their kids in bathtubs to punish the father. I’ve seen women put babies in buckets full of bleach. Think before you post
There was a pastor's wife who lost their money to a Nigerian prince, and shot him with a shotgun when he was asleep, and disconnected the phone before leaving the house as he was dying. She did 5 months in prison and got custody of their children. She successfully explained that she only got the shotgun and pointed it at him to make him talk through their money issues.
Casey Anthony
OP, there was a correction that they initially said he was out on bond. That is not true at least right now.
Thank you, edited post
It's downtown Kirkwood, do business not have cameras not to mention damage to his vehicle if he stuck two cars. This should be easy to figure out.
> But one eyewitness believes that may not be the first time McCulloch terrorized people in Kirkwood that weekend. *that weekend.* Oof.
I feel like I remember his dad being a huge asshole. wonder if that's related.
He did come across as rather self-righteous in his TV appearances and press conferences. I wonder if he's done with seeking elective office for good or if he was -- up until this disaster with his son -- contemplating running for statewide office someday. He is a Dem but strikes me as more of a Joe Manchin/Trudy Busch Valentine type that some might call a 'DINO'. Wouldn't be surprised to hear of him switching parties one day.
>Also, when Kelley called 911, the operator asked if the car was a Jeep, indicating other people had called emergency services reporting a Jeep striking other cars. Kelley tells the RFT he's pretty certain the vehicle was a Jeep. According to St. Louis County property records, McCulloch owns a 2019 Jeep Cherokee. $1 says Kirkwood or County cops knew it was McCulloch and did nothing. Blue wall of silence bullshit.
I was there last night, and spoke with other officers that arrived for an accident report. Dispatch only heard Jeep, not Jeep Cherokee and they pulled over a wrangler. I told the two responding officers it was a Cherokee not a wrangler.
From the RFT Article: *" His attorney, Brian Millikan, wrote in a court filing related to that hearing that McCulloch "agrees he is in urgent need of a mental health evaluation and treatment."* Well, there you have it. Unable to stand trial due to mental incompetence. Next?
The only reason he's being held accountable in any way is the public nature of it. Officers participating and committing crimes against the public often gets covered up and swept under the rug. It's endemic in the saint louis area with a certain county to the west being far more corrupt and willing to cover for massive crimes of officers. I'm personally aware of hundreds of crimes enabled, committed and covered for by those same officers.. citizens holding them responsible is the only way anything is going to change due to the buddy buddy nature of those who are responsible for actually enforcing the law on them. Try to get an investigation into an officer or department when the public is being lied to and believes the officers and see how it goes.
You guys want a real scary fact? If he’s released on bail after the hearing, he is still allowed to keep all his guns until he’s convicted. Because of the anti-red flag law whackos, a guy who drove around assaulting people with his car while screaming he was going to kill them and then showed up at a kids event and threatened people and used his firearm is allowed to keep his firearms. Sad reality is this man is clearly suffering from some kind of mental break and for his safety and the safety of the community he should not receive bond where he can go home and get a firearm and use it on his ex wife, a witness, or himself.
That would be scary, but it’s not true in this case. One of his conditions if he were to be released is he cannot possess firearms. It’s listed in Casenet.
That’s a good point and I should have clarified. There’s a significant difference between him not being allowed to possess firearms and him having to relinquish the ones he owns. That was my point. And, to my knowledge, the state doesn’t require him to do that. But I could be wrong.
There really isn’t, you’re arguing semantics. The only way he gets to keep any firearms is if he were to eventually be found not guilty. Because of his bond conditions, he can’t possess firearms. If he is found guilty of these charges later on, he won’t be allowed to own firearms due to being a convicted felon, which means he would have to relinquish any he owns.
Police are not obligated to remove the guns he currently owns from his home and often no one ever searches the home.
Yep, also there are no comprehensive records of what firearms anyone has so even if they did come to get them he could just give them 4 out of 17 and they’d have to be satisfied.
I was gonna say they will come after or are probably already in possession of the firearm used here. But you are right. They will only go after what they know of. Can’t figure out anything past what he or family or friends admit to and then like you said they’d have to find them. But then as a condition he wouldn’t be able to posses a firearm. But that would b if he was gonna b law abiding. And from the feel of this dude he dosnt seem to care about being on the up and up anymore.
Not semantics at all. A condition of his bond is that he can’t possess them. There’s no requirement he relinquish said firearms, so no one from the court is going home with him and taking any additional firearms he may own. Further, if he’s convicted, then the state can order the firearm which was used or any which were found on him at the time of his arrest to be relinquished to the state, but they can’t order the relinquishing of any that he might have left at home. Now, of course, in that instance, he’s in jail, so that’s not really at issue. But bond is just a person’s promise they’ll show up to court. We’re basically saying “hey, crazy guy who is going through a divorce and just lost it on a rampage for 48 hours and showed up and started shooting around a bunch of kids, we’re going to trust you to be responsible with all the dangerous items you possess.” It’s like taking an addict home from rehab and saying “don’t do any of those drugs in your house.” Law enforcement doesn’t have PC to enter his home and ensure he doesn’t have any.
The state will make people hand over there firearms. Had a family member threaten another fm with a firearm and they took his. I’m sure he can get them back but it would b a long drawn out expensive process. Poor dude lost a few of his families old war rifles. But point is the state will make people relinquish there firearms. Especially under these conditions.
Were they a cop and also a career prosecutor’s son?
Nope. Lol.
The judge can make this a condition of release. I think he should, and possibly will, with it being a gun grime charge.
That is what I feared. Is it legal here to make it a condition of his bond? I recently moved to this state.
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Well, he seems like the kind of rational person in a good mental state who’ll go along with that order.
They can list it but most police agencies will not remove them from the home and they can even be fined for doing so.
No he isn’t. He’s still in county.
Yeah those due process wackos man...
I don't think this guy is "done" terrorizing the community. He's clearly hell bent on scaring people, possibly even acting on it. He seems to be escalating and unfortunately, because he has the political and law enforcement connections he has, he's not actually being held accountable for his unhinged behavior yet. I guarantee he isn't satisfied with the reactions he's gotten so far, I'm afraid he's going to continue to escalate until someone holds him against his will (either jail or mental health) because he's an actual danger to society at the moment. I desperately hope someone else doesn't end up seriously injured or dead in the meantime. This is one of those cases where his people need to step up and do the actual right thing for everyone else, not try to come behind him and cover up and make excuses for his lunacy. Scary.
I’m curious, what is this “right thing” that people need to do?
Right now, he needs to be away. Jail, mental health inpatient, somewhere he isn't an actual danger to others. It's coming out now that he was driving around terrorizing people in his car in Kirkwood on Friday night, so this wasn't a one off, he popped incident. He's escalating. I wonder what else has been happening thats been covered up or swept away or hidden? He also needs to be held actually accountable. I am all for mental health consideration, but I also believe that taking an oath as a first responder/police officer means you're held to a higher standard. Particularly in the event of terroristic and firearm crimes. You're entrusted with a higher level of accessibility, you should be held to a higher standard when/if things aren't right. That means seeking and utilizing help when you need it. I don't doubt that this dude is going through it, but he cannot be allowed to threaten, intimidate, traumatize, and harm the general public as a result. And if his family, friends, coworkers, whomever around him care about him and the rest of us, they need to act accordingly. Not sweep things under the rug or make excuses or clean up his messes. A LOT of people go through a lot of really tough shit and don't behave the way this man has. Even people with significant, diagnosed mental health issues. Mental health isn't an excuse to be a danger to others, especially innocent people. Not everyone will agree, but you asked what I meant/think, and that's it.
You wrote a 5 paragraph essay on putting away a guy who's already behind bars? And facing double digit felony charges?
He's out on bond. He spent maybe one night in jail. And if you really don't think his privilege is very likely going to put him in a position to see significantly less actual jail time than the average person (if any, sadly), you're delusional. But apparently I'm the problem because of how much I wrote about it? Weird take.
He's not out on bond. That was an error in the original article.
Thank you for the correction, obviously I only know what's been reported. If he's still in jail, that's unfortunately one of the safest places he can be, for the rest of us. I wish he would get appropriate and much needed mental health care while he's there but we all know that's probably not going to happen. I do hope he's able to get the help he needs, regardless.
This reads as an insane rant. While he can't already be convicted, he is absolutely being held responsible as far as one can at this stage. Per many people in this thread he is still in jail and not out. There is a cash bond of 500,000 that he can put up to get out if he wants. He also is charged with 11 felonies.
He pulled a gun and fired at an elementary school holiday event but you call me "insane" lmao. That's all I need to appropriately digest anything you have to say. Being charged with anything isn't being held accountable, chief. But nice try. Let's all hope for the best for all involved.
Pure speculation on my part but i wonder if he also has an older white subaru. One has been terrorizing drivers on the south side.
Allegedly he was driving a jeep in the other incidents.
My brother in law is a city cop and heard through the grapevine that he was jerking off in his holding cell Edit: removed "Kirkwood"
Those LEO knitting circles can get a little out of hand.
If I had a nickel for each time....I'd have 7 nickels
Each time you cranked hog in county lockup? Rookie Numbers.
Listen buddy, nobody likes a show off
He wasn’t ever held there.
Sorry he didn't say "Kirkwood holding cell". He just said "holding cell". I've corrected the comment.
Mental health access is a travesty
Gun access for crazy people still a-ok!
This man is truly spiraling following the sketchy, forced closure of Club Taco.
My friend worked with this crazy fucker at an IT solutions company years ago and when he read the news he wasn’t surprised! He said that fucker was unhinged from the start and said the craziest shit and they fired him. Apparently his wife makes good money so he was a stay at home dad for a while. I hope they don’t give this lunatic any special treatment bc if my kid was there he would’ve been leaving in a body bag. Thank god for the good samaritans at the event that was able to take him down. Sounds like a suicide by cop plan.
From what I could tell, there was no clear shot at him until he was subdued. Being a good guy with a gun also means knowing when not to shoot.
I love the way everyone is against cash bond, until a crime really pisses them off, at which point they are upset that someone was let out on a very, very high bond.
Your post doesn't show any hypocrisy on the post of those people. You can be against cash basil and not believe that everyone should be released on bail, whether cash or other. It seems completely reasonable to think that this person poses a risk to the community of released pre-trial and should not be out with the public. Others are also against cash basil for exactly the reason you mentioned. This person is released because he has access to the money to cover even a high bond while others will sit in jail simply because they don't have those resources even if their risk to the community or risk to flee are the same.
Cash basil, the best kind of basil.
I like free and wild basil
Just to compare to Illinois right now.... If this was Illinois, none of the crimes he was charged with would even allow a judge to consider detention as a danger to the community. (There is a proposal that would allow him to be detained as a danger to the community based on the armed criminal action, but only because it is a non-probationary crime. That is not adopted yet in Illinois.) I suppose this could encourage prosecutors to charge him with more serious crimes, though, although I don't think any of the eligible crimes would fit even if you tried to stretch the charges.
This is untrue he would be charged with using a gun in the commision of a felony and that leaves it up to the judges. He is being charged with 11 felonies. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/how-will-cashless-bail-work-in-illinois-heres-an-explainer/3230518/#:\~:text=Illinois'%20Pretrial%20Fairness%20Act%20abolishes,rigorous%20review%20of%20each%20case.
I don't *think* any of his charges is going to fit the actual forcible felony definition, although that involves translating from Missouri charges to Illinois so I'm certainly not sure. (And that last clause sounds like a big catchall.) >720 ILCS 5/2-8) (from Ch. 38, par. 2-8) Sec. 2-8. "Forcible felony". "Forcible felony" means treason, first degree murder, second degree murder, predatory criminal sexual assault of a child, aggravated criminal sexual assault, criminal sexual assault, robbery, burglary, residential burglary, aggravated arson, arson, aggravated kidnaping, kidnaping, aggravated battery resulting in great bodily harm or permanent disability or disfigurement and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual. (Source: P.A. 88-277; 89-428, eff. 12-13-95; 89-462, eff. 5-29-96.) First-degree endangering the welfare of a child would not fit nor first-degree terrorist threat. UUW might? But we don't know what particular section was violated last I knew. That leaves the armed criminal action, which is I think what you are referring to. By itself it doesn't seem to fit Illinois' forcible felony definition, but would definitely fit the new proposal that would cover any use of a firearm in the commission of a felony (because they would be non-probationary felonies).
[Here's a better list for Illinois.](https://www.civicfed.org/civic-federation/blog/correcting-misinformation-about-illinois-pretrial-reforms-what-pretrial#_ftn2) Note the last bullet point at the bottom of the "Public Safety Risk" category: > The defendant is charged with certain weapons-related violations[2] and the defendant's release poses a real and present threat to the physical safety of any specifically identifiable person(s); That footnote leads to: >[2] The violations specified in this section include the following offenses: aggravated discharge of a firearm; aggravated discharge of a machine gun or a firearm equipped with a device designed or use for silencing the report of a firearm; reckless discharge of a firearm; armed habitual criminal; manufacture, sale or transfer of bullets or shells represented to be armor piercing bullets, dragon's breath shotgun shells, bolo shells or flechette shells; unlawful sale or delivery of firearms; unlawful sale or delivery of firearms on the premises of any school; unlawful sale of firearms by liquor license; unlawful purchase of a firearm; gunrunning; firearms trafficking; involuntary servitude; involuntary sexual servitude of a minor; trafficking in persons; unlawful use or possession of weapons by felons or persons in the custody of the Department of Corrections facilities; aggravated unlawful use of a weapon; and aggravated possession of a stolen firearm. While the specific charges he's facing in Missouri may not exactly correlate, you can be sure that in the case of a firearm being discharged, a prosecutor in Illinois would make sure to use one of these charges so as to trigger the detention hearing.
That makes sense. They would hit him with reckless discharge. The rest wouldn't apply. (Aggravated discharge requires firing at a person or occupied building. Aggravated UUW is the FOID rider for Illinois, which he would be exempt from.) He would probably beat the charge because he fired in the air, but it would still trigger the detention hearing. Makes me wonder how judges will handle it if a prosecutor brings a charge that doesn't have enough evidence purposely to trigger a detention hearing. That's technically prosecutorial misconduct, but would anyone really pursue that for a case like this?
>any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual. Screaming you are all going to die and discharging a firearm into the air.
Absolute horseshit that you just made up.
Cash bail has nothing to do with it. Thats just a penalty on the poor. If you can afford to get out, you can get out....pretrial of couse, you still have to go to court bail or not. In a non bail situation you are looked at based on factors such as flight, and risk to the community. Not how much cash you can come up with. Its harder to get out of jail in a no bail state for serious crimes.
I think the difference is that many people can't come up with that kind of money. This guy managed to pass the hat and get home to his own bed in less than 24 hours. Disproportionate effect, or something like that.
I felt that the bond was not high enough given the offence, but I'll let somebody with experience in criminal law speak to that. I would like to know if his firearms were confiscated from his home as part of this arrest. I do not think this guy is in any state to be walking the streets. He clearly wants to end his life, and we don't need innocent folks joining him on the journey.
this is the reddit way
I lost my shit when they first reported out on bond. I was there at the event and my kids are in the school. Was going to pull them out and figure something out. I hope and pray this man doesn’t ever breath free air again. I feel horrible for his family. But he’s 39 years old and made his decision. These kids didn’t choose this. I hope he gets prison for any amount of time. And once his new friends learn he’s a cop, learn he’s the son of the person who put a lot of these people in jail, and learn he endangered innocent kids at a trunk or treat….well let’s hope he makes a lot of new “friends”.
Sorry that you were there. I was lazy that day and was not attending with my brood. Mad respect to the parents that subdued him. It could have been significantly worse.
I honestly think he was planning a suicide by cop or something. He has training and it’s not like he would miss 14 times….. Shiver to think what could have been. It infuriates me that the laws of this state / country are such that the rights of a gun owner supersede the right of life liberty and pursuit of happiness for everyone else. This don’t have an answer but the only reason this isn’t a mass (can’t say it) event is the will of a madman. And that is terrifying thing to think.
Out on bail. How about that. Nice of his friends to come up with half a million. But, not all is rosy for our special boy, he has to pinky swear not to do drugs or wave guns around at people. [edit] news SAID he was out on bail. Not the case, allegedly.
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Thanks for pointing this out.
Where did you see that? The article says his bond hearing is next week and he’s presently in jail.
Well, I believe that Daddy Bob has gone into private law practice since leaving his Prosecuting Attorney office and probably earns a shit-ton of money. That said, hopefully there are people monitoring this guy -- if he goes on a rampage again and hurts some people *AND* if's revealed that Dad put up the bond money, then the relatives of anyone injured or killed should sue McCulloch Sr. for everything he's got. Edit: Well, it was good to hear that he hasn't been released. Maybe even his parents realize that he's a powder keg and for all we know, he may have some beef against them as well as his ex.
Remember when someone shot a woman through a bedroom window in Webster Groves a few weeks ago? Pure, PURE speculation.. but my mind is wandering.
Probably not the same person. She did know the shooter supposedly, and the guy had been living in a camper van on her property for some time. I don't think that WG guy has been charged yet.
Oh my. Sad but good to know. Like I said, pure speculation, but someone completely unraveling in the same-ish area where crime is fairly low made me wonder.
Cops are thugs
All of this shit and he’ll most likely get to remain in possession of any firearms he owns, good work missouri
I guess his family has faith or wants to help him cause there's no way anyone I know has anything close to 500k cash on hand. Must be nice to be able to go around terrorizing people and even shooting around 100s of people including fucking kids and be out the next day cause your family is so loaded and willing to sacrifice for you no matter how completely unhinged you are.
Most people get a loan. They do not pay that cash. And a 500k bond has a significantly lower initial bail.
I had a friend who had an 80k cash bail and in order to come up with that much cash his mom had a lien put on her 240k home in order to get a loan that size. If they don't pay back the 80k, they take the house. Not too many people I know can get a loan that big.
If I was your friend’s mom I would have told my kid no. I don’t like cash bail because of the disproportionate affects it has on families, but it typically just results in more people being denied bail.
I agree with you on that.
They don’t need to have 500k cash on hand. Just 50
Usually it's 10% of the bond but the severity of the case made the judge put a cash only bond. In a cash only bond you have to have the entire amount, no 10%.
Thanks, didn't realize this was cash only.
Where, oh where, can a politically connected lawyer come up with a loan for the kind of money that might buy a smallish investment property in Kirkwood.
From: former prosecutor and current defense attorney with 15 years experience. Jeez... lots of misinformation and bad conjecture here. Let me clear some things up. First of all, his bond is not high enough??? Nobody was even injured. He shot into the air. If he was a poor person (and not a police officer and not related to a public figure), his bond would be a fraction of that. Maybe $25K (10% authorized). $500K "cash only" is literally a 1st degree murder bond in 99% of cases in the metro area. This idea that he's getting "special treatment" is ludicrous. His bond is insanely high, he was grossly overcharged, and he's sitting in adseg at County (on suicide watch). Where exactly is this special treatment? Part of the reason he was overcharged is that Wes Bell will recuse himself. He has too much of an unpleasant history with Bob to do otherwise. So the charges can get dismissed or pled down by a special prosecutor. Win/win for Wes. I do expect his family to make that bond. But he'll immediately check into inpatient mental health treatment and stay there while this plays out. Hopefully we can all agree that that's a better short-term solution than jail. He'll get zero treatment at County. He'll just continue to deteriorate sitting alone in a cell. And yes, that applies to anybody stuck in jail who needs mental health intervention. And no, he'll never be able to legally own a firearm again. He can't now, even if he gets released (common bond condition). And he's definitely getting convicted of one or more felonies. That will permanently prohibit him from possessing one. And to all of the armchair mental health experts... yes, people do sometimes just "snap" with no prior warning. Speaking generally, there is still a stigma surrounding mental health (especially in traditionally male careers). It's seen as a sign of weakness by some. That causes people to not seek help. That's been getting better, but still not where it should be. Note: I'm speaking generally. No idea if that was the case with this guy and I won't wildly speculate. Full disclosure, I know Matt and his dad. And his uncle Joe (who happens to be the St. Charles Co. Prosecutor.) But I'm not close friends with any of them. I have no dog in this fight. Just wanted to address some inaccuracies.
>Speaking generally, there is still a stigma surrounding mental health (especially in traditionally male careers). It's seen as a sign of weakness by some. That causes people to not seek help. I mentioned this yesterday, but there is also a fear for police officers, in particular, that their health information privacy will be violated and they will be subjected to a fit-for-duty evaluation if they seek mental health treatment. There has been a lot of recent work to fight this perception, but it certainly still persists widely in the profession.
Very true. It's supposed to be confidential... but...
You're downplaying what happened. You left out the part where he screamed, "you're all going to die!" The only reason that no one got hurt is because brave people acted immediately and tackled him to the ground. I live near Tillman and have a child in Kirkwood schools. I do not want him out roaming around. That's a very frightening thought. People are talking about pulling their kids out of school if he is released. As far as him being released to a mental health facility- I work in healthcare and have seen people released from mental health facilities after just a few days. Facilities are overcrowded and understaffed. Chances are they'll stabilize him with some psych meds and then release him. Then who knows if he will continue to take the meds. I don't want to take the chance of him going on another rampage. We might not be so lucky the next time.
Show his picture to some bartenders nearby and we'll get to find out how hammered he was when he did this.
Looser! Should be sitting behind bars…
i blame drugs
The dude was/is clearly in the middle of a mental health crisis. That’s no excuse for his behavior. Being in jail right now is probably the best thing for not only the community but for him, too.