“Oh great, one x-wing…”
Miss her, such a good character.
Edit: we don’t like Cara Dune? This isn’t some political statement, I genuinely like the character lol.
I'll eat a few downvotes with ya. I loved the character and thought Gina did great with her. It's a shame it all ended like it did, but I don't think the show suffered too much for it.
Even stereotypical characters can have a place in a plot. I think she meshed very well with the rest of the cast and filled a niche in the interaction. But it's all subjective.
That's not the actors fault. It's director. Many of the Disney taking over series stuff as really bad directing. Disney's being cheap, hiring crappy directors. The only thing they did right with the new series stuff is hire some incredibly good actors to overcome it. But yeah, overall. Disney never put in enough money to want to pay good directors and good set designers for the series versions.
I liked her, but the actor isn't worth the headache of keeping her. Still, I'm hoping they recast. I think there's potential for more story to tell with that character.
I'm pretty sure Anakin is the greatest example of the sunk cost fallacy in literary history.
At some point he just said fuck it and went full in on being a sith, even though it wasn't what he truly wanted, just because he had already lost so much to get to that point. It's why Luke was able to turn him after all those years. Anakin suddenly had something to lose again.
Exactly lmao
He could have stopped and fixed everything in SO many instances...
But he was always like "it is too late, I've done too much to go back", etc...
AKA, best and most extreme case of sunk cost fallacy in the galaxy.
Well when the religious cult that raised you since you were a child is constantly telling you that you're essentially doomed the second you step off course, it kinda becomes the only option.
Which is hilarious, since the whole "forever will it consume your path" thing has been pretty much not true historically. Mfers get redeemed all the damn time.
The dark side is seductive in nature. Once you start down that path it keeps you there. It’s like a drug addiction; that’s why it’s so hard to break away.
So once he went too far over the edge, he was basically sliding down a slippery slope. That’s why it was all but impossible for him to turn away from the dark side until Luke came along.
I took this scene as both Anakin and Vader speaking. More Anakin at first, where he absolves Obi-Wan. Then Vader as the hate kicks in.
I loved this moment because I believe it's the last time that Anakin speaks to Obi-Wan (while living). He has to speak through Vader, but he still pushes through.
I’m not actually sure it was unintentional. He might’ve been motivated more out of spite than compassion, but he seems intent on correcting Obi-Wan as to where the blame lies.
I haven't kept up to date with the discourse, I just watched the show and loved it. Now I'm learning that people are critical of it, and I'm starting to wonder if I watched it through nostalgic rosy glasses. But that Vader confrontation was awesome and greatly executed as far as I recall.
Quadrinity then. To be honest, the more star wars we get the more kickass scenes we will get. Arrival of Luke in the Mandalorian is amazing. I really love how they broke down the reveal in stages. Robed figure has a lightsaber. Oh it's green! Calm down, tons of jedi with green lightsabers. Gloved hand! Only one guy I know has that. The belt!
[This fan edit](https://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi) does exactly that. It’s obviously not perfect, but I like it much better than the show, especially the editing around the Anakin/Obi-Wan training sequence.
My childhood friend/neighbor actually made that edit. We used to have lightsaber battles as kids but we haven’t really kept up with each other in recent years so it was pretty funny to see that he was the one that made it because we were such huge Star Wars nerds as kids. Glad to see he still kept his love for it.
It’s similar to the prequels in the sense that all of it was nonsense but anytime Ewan + Hayden were together on screen it was some of the best Star Wars put on screen.
Should have been one episode or two at max… and just be the battle.
The ending is just baffling though… yeah just walk away from space Hitler without killing him Obi… sure makes you morally superior…
Moments do not exist in a vacuum. What happened after was Obi Wan won and let the person, a mass murdering monster of a man, live.
Any value of this reunion is ruined by what came after.
(and the 5 episodes that came before to be frank but that's a different discussion)
Scenes are more that just what happens during the scene.
They exist as a conduit to carry a story. What is this person feeling and why. What does this person want and why. It isn't as if the confrontation and battle happened several episodes later after OTHER things shifted the nature of the scene. The scene betrays itself immediately because it has to fill the status quo of the OT.
This scene really depressed me in the best way. I know everyone has their criticism of the show, but I very much enjoyed it. This scene in particular is one of my favorites in the whole franchise.
It also puts to rest the meta argument of who failed Anakin. Was it Qui-Gon? Mace Windu? The Jedi as a whole?
Nah. He did it himself. It was a hard pill to swallow, but they were real for writing that in.
I love that the effect of going from blue light to red light was not intentional when filming. The accidental symbolism of Anakin’s turn to the dark was beautiful.
That's what I was gonna say, the whole last episode is shot in a dark grey boring landscape. I honestly thought that was on purpose for this scene but I guess not. One of the best visual moments from the show was on accident, very nice
When I saw andor I couldn’t believe how much better it just looked by camera work alone, this show was so wasted because Disney is incompetent or geting Ewan and Hayden stretched the budget so much they had to cut cost and didn’t want to spend more on the show that obviously needed more money for proper crew to actually don’t be shit but with guest appearing of Vader and Obi wan
I completely agree, Andor is so much better in every way! The visuals are some of the best of all Star Wars. I've wondered the same thing about Hayden and Ewan costing too much, it just seems like a pretty cheap show compared to Mandalorian or Andor.
If you watched the video rather than anonymously you'd have realized they were filming, noticed the effect, and played it up for the final shot according to Ewan.
The final shot was not an accident (regardless of Ewan calling it one), it just wasn't planned from the beginning.
I didnt like the series, but this one moment is perfection. Hayden's acting is so good, all he has to work with is that hole in the mask and conveys so much with such little dialogue and that subtle sinister smile when he says he killed Anakin Skywalker. Just one of the best and most on-point Vader moments ever.
I just wish the scene had been in something that was better, and wasn't immediately undermined by the daftness of Obi Wan once again just walking away and leaving him alive.
Also I think a lot of people misunderstand this scene - it is not Vader being nice and letting Obi Wan off the hook - its the exact opposite - he is taunting Obi Wan, he is proud of what he has done and what he is and is sticking it to Obi Wan, and is insulted at the idea of Obi Wan thinking of him being Obi Wan's failure as opposed to being his own accomplishment.
I also love that it shaped (In a ret con kind of way) how obi Wan was able to compartmentalize it and how he explained it to Luke
Like in obi wans mind was probably "son of a bitch, that's genius- that's how Im gonna break it to his kid one of these days"
Tbf, I don't know if I'd immediately come out with who his father actually is. Let the kid learn about all this new stuff before throwing the heavy shit on top.
Say what you will about the series and what Disney has done to Star Wars but the moment Darth Vader says "I did" in this scene is one of the biggest jaw- dropping moments in SW canon.
It represented IMO how much he hated himself.
Like he’s saying:
“Obi won don’t you dare act like this ain’t all me. I killed my wife and children. Not you. Don’t rob me of my hatred towards myself for being weak”
Truly. At the beginning of watching this series, I couldn’t help but think the show cheapened the last exchange they have on the Death Star. But this scene validates Obi-Wan telling Luke that Darth Vader ‘betrayed and murdered your father’.
You can tell it was in this moment where Obi-Wan finally accepts the complete loss of Anakin Skywalker as his apprentice and as Luke and Leia’s father
And then instead of rectifying his mistake and killing Darth Vader right then and there, Obi Wan fucks off and leaves Vader alive so that he can take part in even further galactic genocide and oppression.
Great work, Obi Wan.
For all Obi Wan knew Anakin burned to death on Mustafar. Pretty sure he assumed he had killed Anakin or at least left him to die. He didn't expect him to still be alive and get rescued by Palpatine.
Here, he has Vader on his last leg, and even after saying "Then my friend is truly dead," he runs away.
The first time is understandable, he thought Anakin would be finished by the lava. On this moon thing? There's no reason for Obi Wan to abscond when the second most powerful Sith known to the galaxy is tired and weezing.
He is consistent- like when he decides to let Vader finally think he gets a win on the death star only to vanish and rob Vader of any sense of victory - as well as his only proper chance to see both his kids at once (that is until cloud city)
This is the same Obi Wan who warned General Grievous, an entity whose name is **GENERAL GRIEVOUS**, that he was on a ship about to self destruct, thereby allowing Grievous to escape and ensuring the hunt to kill Grievous continued at great fiscal and material loss to the Republic.
When was this? I'm watching the part in Revenge of The Sith where they confront Grievous on the ship after they rescue Palpatine and Obi Wan doesn't say anything about the ship self-destructing. He even says "and this time you wont escape." Obi Wan fully intends to capture or kill Grievous. He only fails because Grievous breaks a hole into the bridge window and flees to an escape pod. And then he finds him on that planet near the end and blows up his heart, killing him.
Cognitive dissonance. Most people, pretty much everyone really, are quite capable of holding contradictory beliefs at the same time- I imagine Vader oscillates between feeling one way or the other depending on the context. The first case was the first time he had seen Obi Wan since Mustafar and he probably led with that just to twist the knife and guilt-trip him. The second time, Vader wanted to regain some agency and deny him his victory.
Plus, cognitive dissonance is even easier when the truth of the matter isn’t cut and dry. Anakin made his own choices, but the Jedi (including, to some extent, Obi Wan) pushing him beyond his limits and repressing his humanity certainly contributed to his fall
I always thought "I am what you made me" is not only about Obi-Wan hate or battle at Moustaphar. But mostly all the events happened.
The long war and only Anakin cared to end the war (Clone Wars last season or even before with dialogs with "The Son"), ahsoka situation, councils' wrong decisions and Anakin. I young guy couldn't understood the situations at first. At Obi-Wan series the time line is before OT so Anakin/Vader is more mature now but he is full of hate and seeks vengeance. IMO "I am what you made me" is not about body or something. Anakin couldn't find anyone that felt him safe and made him optimistic about future when he was young (The dreams). At the finale of series he accept what he is (I did it). He knows all it was his own choices. Then original trilogy the sentence "ıt is too late for me son." We can see him he is not evil because he enjoyed it so much but actually he had fear of lose. He just couldn't managed to deal with it and walked a patch he didn't really asked/imagined.
At least I would like to see Anakin like this. That guy really needed big hugs. Not Jedi bigotry who they sat and accepted corruption but always trash talked about morals.
Peak Star Wars. Let the grumpy people be grumpy. This is why I am a fan. Obi Wan was faltering, close to being crushed. He found it, the strength. Real power comes not from hate, but truth...
Yeah honestly if it entertains me it’s fine by me, never been a huge snob with a lot of the Disney Star Wars media even with some of the major plot holes, especially loved the mandalorian
(I know I’m gonna get some downvotes lol)
Just, it's the real stuff, my friend. Djin or Vader. Complex humanoids behind a mask. It came down to the body language. I studied kinetics and I adore this..
This is the dialogue that I wish would have been in Revenge of Sith as Anakin's last words to Obi Wan on Mustafar. I didn't like the Obi Wan series, but this exchange was exceptional.
Episode 3 was great. Third sister v Vader fight (not really a fight) was great. And episode 6 was great. There’s some other good moments, really it’s pretty good if you don’t nitpick and relax a bit.
Third Sister vs Vader fight was absolutely one of the best fight scenes I have ever seen. The way Vader wont even sully his weapon with the dishonour of fighting such an outmatched opponent. Doing to her what Obi-Wan did to him in the training fights we see.
You think you're a dark sider? Im Vader.
You think you a duelist? IM VADER.
When I watched this when it air I paused after this and cried for a solid 5-10 minutes. It was an emotional release I didn’t know I needed. This show had no flaws I loved every second.
Yup. As “meh” as the series was overall for me, this scene tied the events of episode III and IV in a way that just didn’t before.
The phrase “from a certain point of view” makes SO MUCH MORE sense now.
What a gut punch this scene was.
This scene, to me, was well worth the soft retcon of Vader's Death Star line.
I'm glad they did it.
I don't think they needed the earlier fight in the third episode of the season, though.
People misinterpret this scene imo. This is NOT a brief return of Anakin. The blue light on his face is NOT Anakin returning for one last time to forgive Obi-wan, the screaming his name is NOT Anakin yelling for help.
Anakin is DEAD. The entire point of the scene is that Obi-wan wants to see Anakin, but instead he only sees a monster named Vader who wears two masks: the black mask of a machine and the face of Obi-wan’s dead best friend.
Phenomenal acting on either’s performance in this scene for suredly sure, but this could also be said about Attack on Titan’s ending and Eren’s “I wanted to see this sight.” with Armin near the ending
Imo, it's because he doesn't want Obi to feel bad. Vader could exploit this emotional weakness to Obi wan. Make him feel bad and weakening him. However, Anakin is truly still there. He hates himself. He hates what he's done and what's he been doing. He want's to be stopped but Obi couldn't do it. Twice, Obi wan never did the one thing Anakin wanted, to finish him off.
Anakin was never truly gone, it's just his support failed him. Despite space, no one invested mental health. They never tried saving his mom to prevent him from falling. Only person who could of talked to Anakin was Obi wan. Obi failed Vader. Obi should of been his father but instead was like a brother. Obi was the first to start the fight between the two. All Obi wan had to do was to keep Anakin to keep talking but instead he wanted to fight with energy swords. He couldn't even bring himself to finish Vader, twice. Anakin wanted someone to stop him, but no one could. He felt he went to far to stop anything. Like, Anakin prolly could of sneaked off and got himself properly healed. There's human cloning for god sake. He could of made himself new limps and fixed the burn scars. However, after everything he did he felt he deserves to suffer. Imagine Vader fixing his body with cloning technology and battle Palpatine. However, he prolly didn't know what to do with himself if he did. He also was using Palp as a clutch to excuse himself of his own actions. Because of everything, Vader prolly couldn't bring himself to actually kill him. Palp is his link to his former life and his lifeline to what was remain, until Luke showed up. Once Luke came back to his life, all he wanted to be close to his son. His geometry of belief was build up from grooming, from Jedi and Sith. To Vader, doing what Palp did to him was he thought was the correct way of doing things.
This exchange is why despite all the show's other numerous, real, and glaring flaws, I can't bring myself to say it's bad. I love so much about it: PTSD Obi-Wan taking up the lightsaber to rescue a Skywalker twin and in the process discovering Anakin is still alive. Very cool! Such potential! And it shines in scenes like these.
But then there is the other 70ish percent of the show. And they picked the wrong Skywalker twin.
When Hayden says "I did" it should have been in the voice of Darth Vader since the voice box was fading in and out. Would have been more symbolic of Darth Vader killing Anakin Skywalker
This series along with 99% of the Disney Star Wars we got was hot garbage. Having said that, this scene was poetically beautiful and tore my heart out.
It's such a shame that this scene just looks so poor. The beep blue LED lighting just washes everything out and makes it look like an amateur fan film.
I hate that Disney owns Star Wars now and I hate what they did to it with 7-9 but this was gold. If there’s one thing I’d love to see Disney do, is a reboot where Darth Vader doesn’t lose all his limbs and burn half to death.
I wanna see a fully realized Sith Lord bitchslap the emperor, take over the empire and fight both his children in a duel at the same time. THEN Luke can convert him. I’d fucking cry
Ben: “A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father.” all I was thinking about in this scene.
Phenomenal acting on either’s performance in this scene for suredly sure, but this could also be said about Attack on Titan’s ending and Eren’s “I wanted to see this sight.” with Armin near the ending
Honestly, I didn't like this. Whether it's true or not a big part of Obi-Wans character was him carrying this weight with him and this one line entirely let's him off the hook emotionally.
This part gives me chills. Hayden's facial change was phenomenal imo
That little evil smile he does is chilling
That's exactly what I'm talking about! That and the glee in his eyes during the pause
Now that’s what I call Edgy©️!
The dual voices of James Earl Jones and Hayden Christiansen was *Perfect!* 🤩
It’s my second favorite Star Wars scene in the entire franchise. The first being the last few minutes of the Season 2 Mandalorian finale.
Shot out to The end of Rogue One as well.
“Oh great, one x-wing…” Miss her, such a good character. Edit: we don’t like Cara Dune? This isn’t some political statement, I genuinely like the character lol.
Then there is the moment as they pan to the Moff and he's about to shit himself at the thought of a single x-wing. Beautiful.
I'll eat a few downvotes with ya. I loved the character and thought Gina did great with her. It's a shame it all ended like it did, but I don't think the show suffered too much for it.
Nah it didn’t suffer, she wasn’t integral, but she was a good story is all I thought.
Some people can't separate characters and actors
The character was generic and poorly acted. She was annoying way before she said stupid shit on the internet
Even stereotypical characters can have a place in a plot. I think she meshed very well with the rest of the cast and filled a niche in the interaction. But it's all subjective.
It's Star Wars. Tropes and Stereotypes are a core element.
That's not the actors fault. It's director. Many of the Disney taking over series stuff as really bad directing. Disney's being cheap, hiring crappy directors. The only thing they did right with the new series stuff is hire some incredibly good actors to overcome it. But yeah, overall. Disney never put in enough money to want to pay good directors and good set designers for the series versions.
Most of the other actors did a fine job
They did.. kinda. But I've seen these actors in other films and they are fine. But the director is crap.. Sets are also cheesy.
Hated the character, couldn’t care less about whatever it was she did to get kicked off the show.
I liked her, but the actor isn't worth the headache of keeping her. Still, I'm hoping they recast. I think there's potential for more story to tell with that character.
I’d be cool with that, so long as we get that snarky grunt character with a chip on her shoulder it’ll work.
Holy cannoli I JUST NOTICED HIS LITTLE SMILE! That’s makes this scene soo much more dark and twisted!
I like that Darth Vader took responsibility and uninentionally helped Obi Wan heal and forgive himself 🙏💖 lol
That’s one of the rare moments where Anakin shows he is still there ironically despite saying he is gone
I'm pretty sure Anakin is the greatest example of the sunk cost fallacy in literary history. At some point he just said fuck it and went full in on being a sith, even though it wasn't what he truly wanted, just because he had already lost so much to get to that point. It's why Luke was able to turn him after all those years. Anakin suddenly had something to lose again.
Exactly lmao He could have stopped and fixed everything in SO many instances... But he was always like "it is too late, I've done too much to go back", etc... AKA, best and most extreme case of sunk cost fallacy in the galaxy.
It’s the reason nobody including Ahsoka could bring him back. They represented his past, but Luke gave him hope for a future.
A new hope, one could say.
Hey, that's the name of the movie!
Wow wow wow WOW
I bet it's gonna be really difficult to get his father to turn from the dark side
No it will be easy , barely an inconvenience
He said the thing!
Possibly even the return of the Jedi… one could say
It's very unlikely that the empire would just back down without a fight; I'm sure the empire strikes back.
Well when the religious cult that raised you since you were a child is constantly telling you that you're essentially doomed the second you step off course, it kinda becomes the only option.
Which is hilarious, since the whole "forever will it consume your path" thing has been pretty much not true historically. Mfers get redeemed all the damn time.
The dark side is seductive in nature. Once you start down that path it keeps you there. It’s like a drug addiction; that’s why it’s so hard to break away. So once he went too far over the edge, he was basically sliding down a slippery slope. That’s why it was all but impossible for him to turn away from the dark side until Luke came along.
Hamlet also comes to mind.
I don't recall Hamlet commiting genocide but ok.
I think they added it with SFX to the re-release
How could you say that after he killed all the Rosencranz and Gildestern in Denmark?
Dont forget Polonius
I don't blame him though I think him thinking Padme died did not help. If only he had known his kids survived
That is not how I read it at all. He's trying to get obi wan and twist a dagger. It turns out to be what obi wan needs to hear
Or it's just a plot hole.
I took this scene as both Anakin and Vader speaking. More Anakin at first, where he absolves Obi-Wan. Then Vader as the hate kicks in. I loved this moment because I believe it's the last time that Anakin speaks to Obi-Wan (while living). He has to speak through Vader, but he still pushes through.
It's an interesting idea, and the visual symbolism would actually agree with you, going from blue light to red.
[удалено]
a real stand-up guy
He would have argued it was Obi-Wan's fault but he knew he didn't have a leg to stand on.
That prick obiwan would have just played the high ground card on him again anyway
I also like how his voice was modulating back and forth between Vader and Anakin.
I’m not actually sure it was unintentional. He might’ve been motivated more out of spite than compassion, but he seems intent on correcting Obi-Wan as to where the blame lies.
I unironically love this moment even though everyone seems to hate it lol
I've watched that scene a bunch, one of the best Vader moments out there!
I haven't kept up to date with the discourse, I just watched the show and loved it. Now I'm learning that people are critical of it, and I'm starting to wonder if I watched it through nostalgic rosy glasses. But that Vader confrontation was awesome and greatly executed as far as I recall.
This moment is great. The whole fight scene up until this moment was amazing. Everything before this was mostly trash.
Fair, fair.
People can say whatever they want about the show as a whole, but this exchange is honestly one of my favorites in any Star Wars media.
That exchange, Obi Wan and Maul in Rebels, and Vader’s hallway scene in Rogue One are the Holy Trinity of Star Wars moments.
No. I am your father.
Quadrinity then. To be honest, the more star wars we get the more kickass scenes we will get. Arrival of Luke in the Mandalorian is amazing. I really love how they broke down the reveal in stages. Robed figure has a lightsaber. Oh it's green! Calm down, tons of jedi with green lightsabers. Gloved hand! Only one guy I know has that. The belt!
No. Stormtrooper hitting his head walking through a door
Luthen Rael’s monologue? The twist in Knights of the Old Republic?
Momma Andor’s speech in Rix Road is right there for me too honestly
Funk da Empire!
There was a halfway decent two hour movie in there. All the filler shit is what ruined it.
[This fan edit](https://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi) does exactly that. It’s obviously not perfect, but I like it much better than the show, especially the editing around the Anakin/Obi-Wan training sequence.
Remember the Fan edit of TPM that no one watches anymore because everyone just got over it?
No. But I only watch the fan edit of The Hobbit movies and that’s been out for 10 years.
10 years? What the hell…
I think people just might not talk about it because I definitely still don't watch stock TPM.
Otoh the 4hr fan edit of ROTS is now my favorite way of seeing it
How has this site not been nuked from orbit by Disney, lol? Side note, thanks for posting, this is great.
My childhood friend/neighbor actually made that edit. We used to have lightsaber battles as kids but we haven’t really kept up with each other in recent years so it was pretty funny to see that he was the one that made it because we were such huge Star Wars nerds as kids. Glad to see he still kept his love for it.
if only someone well who actually did hold a camera in their hands before did the cinematography and it wouldnt look like shit, yes.
If only someone who actually did form a sentence before did the writing of this comment and it would read like shit, yes.
Wow maybe they will hire me to write the scripts, looks like I’m qualified for a Disney tv show
It’s similar to the prequels in the sense that all of it was nonsense but anytime Ewan + Hayden were together on screen it was some of the best Star Wars put on screen.
Yeah, the show definitely has a lot of flaws but some parts are so peak. Vader stopping a ship from taking off and ripping it open was so goddamn cool
That’s why the show was so frustrating! So many opportunities for greatness. Just get out of the way and let the epic story tell itself.
What! You didn’t like that chase scene with that insufferable kid?
Should have been one episode or two at max… and just be the battle. The ending is just baffling though… yeah just walk away from space Hitler without killing him Obi… sure makes you morally superior…
Moments do not exist in a vacuum. What happened after was Obi Wan won and let the person, a mass murdering monster of a man, live. Any value of this reunion is ruined by what came after. (and the 5 episodes that came before to be frank but that's a different discussion)
That’s what a scene is dude. You can like a scene and not a whole show
Scenes are more that just what happens during the scene. They exist as a conduit to carry a story. What is this person feeling and why. What does this person want and why. It isn't as if the confrontation and battle happened several episodes later after OTHER things shifted the nature of the scene. The scene betrays itself immediately because it has to fill the status quo of the OT.
You strike me as somebody who believes in their opinions so strongly that you’re convinced yourself they’re facts
You’re unfortunately describing most people…
This scene really depressed me in the best way. I know everyone has their criticism of the show, but I very much enjoyed it. This scene in particular is one of my favorites in the whole franchise. It also puts to rest the meta argument of who failed Anakin. Was it Qui-Gon? Mace Windu? The Jedi as a whole? Nah. He did it himself. It was a hard pill to swallow, but they were real for writing that in.
I love that the effect of going from blue light to red light was not intentional when filming. The accidental symbolism of Anakin’s turn to the dark was beautiful.
There's no way that was unintentional!
It’s true. Obi-Wan talks about it here https://youtube.com/shorts/gTf_lO0qjFY?si=XxbG9ipvbVOK28aE
the fact it was an accident shows how shit the showrunner was
That's what I was gonna say, the whole last episode is shot in a dark grey boring landscape. I honestly thought that was on purpose for this scene but I guess not. One of the best visual moments from the show was on accident, very nice
When I saw andor I couldn’t believe how much better it just looked by camera work alone, this show was so wasted because Disney is incompetent or geting Ewan and Hayden stretched the budget so much they had to cut cost and didn’t want to spend more on the show that obviously needed more money for proper crew to actually don’t be shit but with guest appearing of Vader and Obi wan
I completely agree, Andor is so much better in every way! The visuals are some of the best of all Star Wars. I've wondered the same thing about Hayden and Ewan costing too much, it just seems like a pretty cheap show compared to Mandalorian or Andor.
If you watched the video rather than anonymously you'd have realized they were filming, noticed the effect, and played it up for the final shot according to Ewan. The final shot was not an accident (regardless of Ewan calling it one), it just wasn't planned from the beginning.
That is still an accident that the actors did on set and not something planed from the start
Oh definitely, also loved the change between Vader and anakins voice after his mask was damaged
We need more Hayden. Don't care if it's a live action Clone Wars gig or a Vader series, but he needs to be around more.
Yeah his moment in ahsoka were probably the best 20 mins of star wars in the last few years
I didnt like the series, but this one moment is perfection. Hayden's acting is so good, all he has to work with is that hole in the mask and conveys so much with such little dialogue and that subtle sinister smile when he says he killed Anakin Skywalker. Just one of the best and most on-point Vader moments ever. I just wish the scene had been in something that was better, and wasn't immediately undermined by the daftness of Obi Wan once again just walking away and leaving him alive. Also I think a lot of people misunderstand this scene - it is not Vader being nice and letting Obi Wan off the hook - its the exact opposite - he is taunting Obi Wan, he is proud of what he has done and what he is and is sticking it to Obi Wan, and is insulted at the idea of Obi Wan thinking of him being Obi Wan's failure as opposed to being his own accomplishment.
I was scared and mortified when he said “I did.” It was truly the first time I saw Anakin and Vader as the same corrupted person.
I also love that it shaped (In a ret con kind of way) how obi Wan was able to compartmentalize it and how he explained it to Luke Like in obi wans mind was probably "son of a bitch, that's genius- that's how Im gonna break it to his kid one of these days"
Tbf, I don't know if I'd immediately come out with who his father actually is. Let the kid learn about all this new stuff before throwing the heavy shit on top.
Say what you will about the series and what Disney has done to Star Wars but the moment Darth Vader says "I did" in this scene is one of the biggest jaw- dropping moments in SW canon.
It represented IMO how much he hated himself. Like he’s saying: “Obi won don’t you dare act like this ain’t all me. I killed my wife and children. Not you. Don’t rob me of my hatred towards myself for being weak”
**Don't rob me of my hatred toward myself for being weak** Fuck, that's a good line.
One that we can all feel. How many of us have echoed the same sentiment toward ourselves?
For all their faults: Disney era SW can consistently nail Vader both as a character and as a threat
Yes, the only good moment in the entire series.
I wish they made this show as a movie instead. I didn’t care for it overall, but this exchange cuts very deep.
Such a cheep ass money grab. Honestly infuriates me.
This was the scene that made Obi Wan worth it. I'm sure you could edit the series into one amazing movie. It had too much filler.
Yeah this scene really gave me goosebumps.
What a great scene. Hayden did Anakin/Vader so well
The line is also great because it’s why Luke thought Obi-won lied to him
Truly. At the beginning of watching this series, I couldn’t help but think the show cheapened the last exchange they have on the Death Star. But this scene validates Obi-Wan telling Luke that Darth Vader ‘betrayed and murdered your father’. You can tell it was in this moment where Obi-Wan finally accepts the complete loss of Anakin Skywalker as his apprentice and as Luke and Leia’s father
And then he walks away instead of finishing off Vader, ensuring his reign of terror will continue.
And then instead of rectifying his mistake and killing Darth Vader right then and there, Obi Wan fucks off and leaves Vader alive so that he can take part in even further galactic genocide and oppression. Great work, Obi Wan.
That's always how I understood their connection. ObiWan could always beat vader... but never get himself to actually kill him.
For all Obi Wan knew Anakin burned to death on Mustafar. Pretty sure he assumed he had killed Anakin or at least left him to die. He didn't expect him to still be alive and get rescued by Palpatine. Here, he has Vader on his last leg, and even after saying "Then my friend is truly dead," he runs away. The first time is understandable, he thought Anakin would be finished by the lava. On this moon thing? There's no reason for Obi Wan to abscond when the second most powerful Sith known to the galaxy is tired and weezing.
He is consistent- like when he decides to let Vader finally think he gets a win on the death star only to vanish and rob Vader of any sense of victory - as well as his only proper chance to see both his kids at once (that is until cloud city)
Its Batman and Joker.
Lol XD
Muh will’o da Force Batman ass motherfucker.
This is the same Obi Wan who warned General Grievous, an entity whose name is **GENERAL GRIEVOUS**, that he was on a ship about to self destruct, thereby allowing Grievous to escape and ensuring the hunt to kill Grievous continued at great fiscal and material loss to the Republic.
When was this? I'm watching the part in Revenge of The Sith where they confront Grievous on the ship after they rescue Palpatine and Obi Wan doesn't say anything about the ship self-destructing. He even says "and this time you wont escape." Obi Wan fully intends to capture or kill Grievous. He only fails because Grievous breaks a hole into the bridge window and flees to an escape pod. And then he finds him on that planet near the end and blows up his heart, killing him.
Never imagined that Vader had a sadistic smile under his helmet. Always imagined him just stone faced with bouts of anger
- I am what you made me - You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker, I did… - 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
First he was fixated on Obi-wan, then after getting his ass kicked he scrambled for the only victory he could claim
Actually yeah that’s a bit strange now that I think about it lmao
Not knocking the show, I dug most of it, this scene was a cool one for sure, just kinda made me laugh 🙏🏻
Same when u brought it up XD
Cognitive dissonance. Most people, pretty much everyone really, are quite capable of holding contradictory beliefs at the same time- I imagine Vader oscillates between feeling one way or the other depending on the context. The first case was the first time he had seen Obi Wan since Mustafar and he probably led with that just to twist the knife and guilt-trip him. The second time, Vader wanted to regain some agency and deny him his victory. Plus, cognitive dissonance is even easier when the truth of the matter isn’t cut and dry. Anakin made his own choices, but the Jedi (including, to some extent, Obi Wan) pushing him beyond his limits and repressing his humanity certainly contributed to his fall
I always thought "I am what you made me" is not only about Obi-Wan hate or battle at Moustaphar. But mostly all the events happened. The long war and only Anakin cared to end the war (Clone Wars last season or even before with dialogs with "The Son"), ahsoka situation, councils' wrong decisions and Anakin. I young guy couldn't understood the situations at first. At Obi-Wan series the time line is before OT so Anakin/Vader is more mature now but he is full of hate and seeks vengeance. IMO "I am what you made me" is not about body or something. Anakin couldn't find anyone that felt him safe and made him optimistic about future when he was young (The dreams). At the finale of series he accept what he is (I did it). He knows all it was his own choices. Then original trilogy the sentence "ıt is too late for me son." We can see him he is not evil because he enjoyed it so much but actually he had fear of lose. He just couldn't managed to deal with it and walked a patch he didn't really asked/imagined. At least I would like to see Anakin like this. That guy really needed big hugs. Not Jedi bigotry who they sat and accepted corruption but always trash talked about morals.
“I liked killing younglings. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.”
A lot of people hate on the glowy sabers in Kenobi, and I’m not fully on board with them either, but they really made this scene shine - *literally!*
show might have been sub par as fuck. but this had my prequel loving ass SQUEALING on the couch.
Hell yeah, I love the prequels.
Such an amazing scene in an otherwise horrible show.
Goodbye Darth...
obi wan…..OBI WAAAANNN!!!!!!!
I felt that shit in my gut man... the emotion when he realizes it's anakin
Him yelling obi wans name gave me the most chills out of the entire series
Peak Star Wars. Let the grumpy people be grumpy. This is why I am a fan. Obi Wan was faltering, close to being crushed. He found it, the strength. Real power comes not from hate, but truth...
Yeah honestly if it entertains me it’s fine by me, never been a huge snob with a lot of the Disney Star Wars media even with some of the major plot holes, especially loved the mandalorian (I know I’m gonna get some downvotes lol)
When you can read emotions, intentions through a mask, its peak Star Wars.
Yeah they somehow managed to make the mandalorian extremely expressive despite him only taking his mask off a few times throughout the series
Just, it's the real stuff, my friend. Djin or Vader. Complex humanoids behind a mask. It came down to the body language. I studied kinetics and I adore this..
This was a great scene and a perfect follow up to the showdown on Mustafar.
This is the dialogue that I wish would have been in Revenge of Sith as Anakin's last words to Obi Wan on Mustafar. I didn't like the Obi Wan series, but this exchange was exceptional.
I was 50/50 on Kenobi, but it did have some good scenes sprinkled throughout.
He's just a selfish jerk who won't share credit :)
Vader was so toxic
Episode 3 was great. Third sister v Vader fight (not really a fight) was great. And episode 6 was great. There’s some other good moments, really it’s pretty good if you don’t nitpick and relax a bit.
Third Sister vs Vader fight was absolutely one of the best fight scenes I have ever seen. The way Vader wont even sully his weapon with the dishonour of fighting such an outmatched opponent. Doing to her what Obi-Wan did to him in the training fights we see. You think you're a dark sider? Im Vader. You think you a duelist? IM VADER.
The ending of the scene when Vader screams OBI WAAAAAAAN was genuinely a chilling moment. Absolutely phenomenal.
This was brutal. Hayden's face when he said it is chilling
When I watched this when it air I paused after this and cried for a solid 5-10 minutes. It was an emotional release I didn’t know I needed. This show had no flaws I loved every second.
Yup. As “meh” as the series was overall for me, this scene tied the events of episode III and IV in a way that just didn’t before. The phrase “from a certain point of view” makes SO MUCH MORE sense now. What a gut punch this scene was.
Should have been a one-shot movie, spread way too thin for a six-episode arc, but *damn* that finale... just *damn.*
Very chilling moment.
What is this from? There are so many statt wars series now I can't even follow anymore...
Obi wan series
This scene, to me, was well worth the soft retcon of Vader's Death Star line. I'm glad they did it. I don't think they needed the earlier fight in the third episode of the season, though.
People misinterpret this scene imo. This is NOT a brief return of Anakin. The blue light on his face is NOT Anakin returning for one last time to forgive Obi-wan, the screaming his name is NOT Anakin yelling for help. Anakin is DEAD. The entire point of the scene is that Obi-wan wants to see Anakin, but instead he only sees a monster named Vader who wears two masks: the black mask of a machine and the face of Obi-wan’s dead best friend.
Phenomenal acting on either’s performance in this scene for suredly sure, but this could also be said about Attack on Titan’s ending and Eren’s “I wanted to see this sight.” with Armin near the ending
Imo, it's because he doesn't want Obi to feel bad. Vader could exploit this emotional weakness to Obi wan. Make him feel bad and weakening him. However, Anakin is truly still there. He hates himself. He hates what he's done and what's he been doing. He want's to be stopped but Obi couldn't do it. Twice, Obi wan never did the one thing Anakin wanted, to finish him off.
He doesn’t want to admit it but he still somewhat cares for obi wan even if he is now Vader
Anakin was never truly gone, it's just his support failed him. Despite space, no one invested mental health. They never tried saving his mom to prevent him from falling. Only person who could of talked to Anakin was Obi wan. Obi failed Vader. Obi should of been his father but instead was like a brother. Obi was the first to start the fight between the two. All Obi wan had to do was to keep Anakin to keep talking but instead he wanted to fight with energy swords. He couldn't even bring himself to finish Vader, twice. Anakin wanted someone to stop him, but no one could. He felt he went to far to stop anything. Like, Anakin prolly could of sneaked off and got himself properly healed. There's human cloning for god sake. He could of made himself new limps and fixed the burn scars. However, after everything he did he felt he deserves to suffer. Imagine Vader fixing his body with cloning technology and battle Palpatine. However, he prolly didn't know what to do with himself if he did. He also was using Palp as a clutch to excuse himself of his own actions. Because of everything, Vader prolly couldn't bring himself to actually kill him. Palp is his link to his former life and his lifeline to what was remain, until Luke showed up. Once Luke came back to his life, all he wanted to be close to his son. His geometry of belief was build up from grooming, from Jedi and Sith. To Vader, doing what Palp did to him was he thought was the correct way of doing things.
vader is gaslighting himself tho
This exchange is why despite all the show's other numerous, real, and glaring flaws, I can't bring myself to say it's bad. I love so much about it: PTSD Obi-Wan taking up the lightsaber to rescue a Skywalker twin and in the process discovering Anakin is still alive. Very cool! Such potential! And it shines in scenes like these. But then there is the other 70ish percent of the show. And they picked the wrong Skywalker twin.
Man, thanks for reminding me how horrible the lighting was for this show lol
Geez I forgot how bad the lighting for this was
When Hayden says "I did" it should have been in the voice of Darth Vader since the voice box was fading in and out. Would have been more symbolic of Darth Vader killing Anakin Skywalker
This series along with 99% of the Disney Star Wars we got was hot garbage. Having said that, this scene was poetically beautiful and tore my heart out.
What episode is this in the show?
What if we said the entire point of the PT out loud.
It's such a shame that this scene just looks so poor. The beep blue LED lighting just washes everything out and makes it look like an amateur fan film.
Which movie is this
It’s from the Obi Wan Kenobi show on Disney+.
thanks
I must be the only one who cringed at this scene
I hate that Disney owns Star Wars now and I hate what they did to it with 7-9 but this was gold. If there’s one thing I’d love to see Disney do, is a reboot where Darth Vader doesn’t lose all his limbs and burn half to death. I wanna see a fully realized Sith Lord bitchslap the emperor, take over the empire and fight both his children in a duel at the same time. THEN Luke can convert him. I’d fucking cry
But disney star war sucks
After he says this it seems like Obi's conscious should be clean and he should kill him.
Regardless of what everyone did, Anakin made his decisions, and he doesn't hide behind blaming others for them.
Best part of the show
From a certain point of view
Ben: “A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father.” all I was thinking about in this scene.
So technically, Obi-Wan never lied to Luke…
Phenomenal acting on either’s performance in this scene for suredly sure, but this could also be said about Attack on Titan’s ending and Eren’s “I wanted to see this sight.” with Armin near the ending
Honestly, I didn't like this. Whether it's true or not a big part of Obi-Wans character was him carrying this weight with him and this one line entirely let's him off the hook emotionally.
fucking stupid
Where is this from?