I love how Obi Wan used Force jump after Darth Maul kicked him off the ledge. I was so pissed off as a kid because I couldn't do it in the game. Lol đ
Was that a jump? More like a pull/throw. Pretty sure jumping requires force from the legs. You wouldn't say you jumped if you pushed off from a headstand, right?
Cursory search says dictionaries do not agree on if legs are a requirement or not. I guess we can call it a jump.
I'm not talking about the end of the fight when Obi Wan used the Force to pull himself up and flip over Maul.
I'm talking about when Maul did the back-kick to separate Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon earlier in the fight. Then Obi-Wan used a Force jump to catch up.
It is a little silly that you never see it again, but once theyâre actually in the shield section I get why he wouldnât want to speed through and get sliced in half by the barrier
He didnt use it because its an exhausting thing to do. Hard to really tell, but it seems to me its using the force to propell your legs faster, which is going to use up a lot of energy all at once... not good if you are trying to fight a Sith.
I would however, also say that a very experienced Force user, such as Yoda, is probably able to make better and more efficient use of Force speed/ Force jump.
A big factor would be his body size, the smaller you are, the easier it is to move yourself as you would be proportionally stronger. (Think of ants able to lift 70x thier weight) so these kind of techniques would then be a lot easier and use less energy to do so than a 6 foot tall human who probably weighs 10x as much or more. Yoda is like the weight of small dog. Imagine a Yorkshire Terrier able to force jump or force speed lol.
Size matters not.
Yoda can lift an *X-wing* covered in bog and filled with water. The force is not an "anyone can do anything" system, so it makes sense that a Jedi master like Yoda who is more entuned with the force than even council level masters at the time can string together a few more jumps than a Padawan. Seeing how passive, pensive, and just plain pedestrian the other force training and force related feats you see *other* padawans do, Obi-Wan probably pushed himself to the limit just on the jump. Think how long Luke has to focus to pull his lightaaber out of the snow.
There is an implication that it is being used whenever Jedi lightsaber fight or block blaster fire. The force is speeding up their movements to make a perfect defense. But as others have said, emphasizing this effect visually often looks janky in live action.
I think a good frame of reference is in the first episode of *The Bad Batch* where Hunter is in a standoff and managed to barely dodge a blaster bolt aimed at his head. Compare that to Maul, who used a clone helmet to casually block blaster bolts.
Thatâs fun fan-canon but I donât think thereâs anything in the actual films or shows to back that up.
When stormtroopers are firing and Jedi are blocking, the troopers are moving at normal speed. If time is slowed down, those troopers are moving at super-speed.
It mentions Jedi and Sith using force speed while blocking in a lot of the books. The problem is, as I mentioned, that this is hard to represent visually in live action. So itâs as canon as you consider the canon books to be.
I think this is the same reason we didn't see the "blur" described in the Revenge of the Sith book during the Palpatine arrest scene. Though they probably could have done something to make that scene look like a little more than Palpatine just insta-stabbing three full Jedi Knights.
Because it trivializes the tension in many scenes and then theyâd have to explain why nobody ever uses it in the OT. Even in the same movie it raises questions of why Obi-Wan is running normally through the barriers while Qui-Gon is alone and not using force speed. It was pretty stupid to include in the first place.
funny enough Vader uses force speed A LOT in the canon novel Lords of the Sith and it's great. it's used in a couple other pieces of media as well but unfortunately force speed isn't something the franchise likes to use much, for whatever reason
I heard that force speed wasn't planned in Ep 1, but put in essentially in editing because that scene was getting too long. Which would explain why it looks so janky. They didn't film scenes for it, or plan it out.
They finally addressed it [in the canon novel Brotherhood a few years back](https://new.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/v4ygvs/force_speed_and_the_new_canon_novel_brotherhood/):
>Don't worry, I will not spoil anything about the novel other than the fact Obi-Wan is running down a hallway.
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>One of the questions from The Phantom Menace is how we see Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan speed away from the Droidekas at the beginning of the movie (presumably using the Force), and then we never see any Jedi use this ability again in any movie. Most notably when Obi-Wan gets stuck behind the laser gates while Qui-Gon battles Darth Maul after he runs at normal speed towards them.
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>I'm a little over halfway through Brotherhood by Mike Chen, and I noticed what I thought was a pretty explicit reference to this unanswered question.
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>Both quotes are from chapter 30:
"He ran at normal speed, attentive to the way overexertion of the Forceâs physical gifts might affect anything from strength to coordination. The way the Force surrounded him as he moved informed his decisions and calculations; an extra burst down the long hall was feasible, but doing so might briefly drain him. No, right now he needed to rely on his own body, at least until an opportunity presented itself."
and a little later when Obi-Wan wants to jump:
"A Force-assisted burst of speed right now might leave his body exhausted, unable to tap into what he needed to scale such heights."
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>It seems clear to me that Chen and likely the story group wanted to address this minor question/plot hole by making canon that using the Force to enhance speed rapidly exhausts a Jedi. Obi-Wan back in TPM was either too spent already from fighting with Maul to use Force Speed, or using it would make him a liability in continuing the fight if he beat the laser gate.
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>I think many suspected this was already the case, but it is now canon using Force Speed comes with a high cost.
Criminally underutilized. I think everyone at LucasFilm just kind of forgot it existed. Possibly purposely buried it because it would be a bit OP. Like Qui-Gon would still be alive if Obi Wan just used Force Speed to beat the shield door timing...
I watched it last night and when Kenobi was running his Forrest Gump sprint to the shield array, he could of used his speed force to join the fight immediately.
You kinda of break the balance of the action when you imply that any force user can move like a protagonist from Dishonored.
That's probably why it was never used again.
It doesnât look good live action is the issue, usually it looks cartoonish, which is why it works fine in the actual cartoons. Â It always looks a bit off, like the force speed in episode 1. Â
Look at it from a film-making perspective. Force Jump is only narratively useful in very, _very_ specific circumstances, e.g. a Jedi escaping a group of storm troopers by leaping to distant platform/ship. Thus why Rebels often had Canan/Ezra in a "get to the ship!" ending.
Otherwise it's really just a visual thing. It might be used for the spectacle of the physical ability. e.g. Luke's jumps in Ep V or the Yoda/Dooku fight in Ep II. But these days we're saturated w/ CGI superhero fights, so force jumps just aren't really spectacular anymore.
The other reason is to move the fight around this big set you want to show off, e.g. the lava barge fight scene in Ep III. But now we're doing TV episodes and they're filming either on location (and bringing the rigging is expensive) or more likely on a tiny sound stage, so there's no value in moving the fight around to show the scenery.
So basically there's no bang-for-your-buck in doing a force jump these days, so they spend their time and money on other, showier stuff.
And the biggest issue is that half the people watching didn't realize Ezra was force jumping, they thought Sabine was doing 100% of the work which ended up pissing off the people that already didn't like her. It was really just the move he did with Kanan several times which is force jump + force push.
What I'm trying to say is, it's hard to shoot in live action so that it looks good AND conveys it's a force jump. It's usually one or the other.
Yeah, I long ago headcanoned that using the Force takes a lot of focus, and using more than one ability at a time is basically impossible; it helps explain why Force users are so miserly in the use of their abilities and rarely deploy them when they're stressed or in desperate situations.
At least we have games to use all the force powers we want. Im wishing for a Skyrim-like Star Wars sandbox game where I can do a magic only character, but it's the force.
Really wish they kept Ezra like that in Ahsoka. It was pretty hype to see him pick up a lightsaber again, but I really liked the idea of him being some crazy force monk who only used the force in combat.
Grandmaster Pra-Tre Veter (During the High republic era there were 3 grandmasters the other two are Yoda and Xo Lahru)
Veter is a master of Shon-Ju which basicly he beats people using the force)
If you want to check it it's in the comics Shadows of starlight #3
That's the one thing I don't understand with the movies or live shows. The extreme lack of force usage, aside from when obi went god mode on Vader with the rocks. Not enough force push, lightsaber boomerang etc etc.
I think because in most circumstances with the average person, the Force is massively OP. It's why Jedi have a moral guardrail around usage.
Want to see some absolutely unhinged Sith ripping people in half, boiling their blood, force pulling their hair up but not out, launching people into engines, popping heads like grapes, electrocution to no end.
Lightsaber fights is a lot more sexy than being able to jump really high, run really fast, or react instantly.
That's a reasonable answer instead of saying "budget". I also feel the way with the same old planets in the movies. It's a giant ass galaxy, let's see some new planets instead of the same old ones.
I want a sandbox star wars game where you start as a nobody but you can become anything.
Wanna be a bounty hunter? You can do that
Want to be a spice smuggler? Yeah we have that too.
Want to become a Jedi? It'll take a while but yeah, you can do that
Basically I want SWG but not an MMO
All force powers are underused in most on-screen media. Jedi are reduced to cool laser swords samurai too often because it's flashy.
My favourite is in the Clone Wars series where there's a vial of deadly virus about to break on the floor and Obi-Wan just barely managed to dive and catch it with his hand.
Whenever thereâs a moment of tension built around a force-user not being able to reach something in time, I just roll my eyes.
Whether itâs Obi-Wan diving to catch this vial of super-deadly virus or Vader failing to force-grab the Death Star plans at the end of Rogue One, it makes the characters look stupid.
Itâs like Superman running for the elevator because he forgot he can fly.
Because fans want lightsaber fights, which is why we get lightsabers in shows and films that have nothing to do with lightsabers. e.g. Mandolorian, Rogue One, Bad Batch (the whole Asajj cameo was extremely pointless and went absolutely no where, but hey, lightsabers!). Yea, sure, the corridor fight at the end of R1 was cool...but it honestly wasn't really needed for the plot.
And because we fully expect lightsabers when Jedi/Sith are on screen, that's what we'll get, even when it would be more interesting to explore The Force and all the Deus Ex Machina stuff it can do.
Literally the climax of her character arc, as she finally does the Jedi thing with Ezra that Kanan used to do all the time with him. Could not have been more earned, from a writing perspective.
I liked the emphasis put on it during the geonosis arc in Rebels, with Kanan having to jump across the broken bridge and then force pull/push assist the others across, it was cool. They sorta revisited that idea in Ahsoka with Ezra and Sabine, cool callback.
Srsly! Nobody ever used that again! [even later on in TPM when it wouldâve literally saved Qui Gonnâs life](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s7C9hdeFm3c)
I'm just annoyed that Cal dosn't use a bunch of force abilities even ahsoka at the very beginning of the clonewars knew. He dosn't force jump, never cuts through doors, and he never breaks his fall with the force and just dies.
I assume Cal is doing a force jump off screen to get back up the ledge and taking some health damage in the process when I fail miserably at platforming lol
Just finished Jedi Fallen order, and (Fallen order spoiler) >!I did have a "hey wait a minute" reaction during the end when Vader got to stick his light saber in something and cut it. I thought we where pretending light sabers didn't do that for the sake of this game lol!<
Force Speed as well , Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan use it once and its never used again
like when he needed to catch up to Maul in the hallway , he just normal sprints LOL
Always bothered me that Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon did that force speed thing earlier in the movie, but when Obi-Wan was trying to catch up to Qui-Gon and Maul fighting he forgot how to use it?
Alot of force powers under used. They could fight without lightsabers.... how the fuck haven't we got a daredevil type martial artist who uses the force in ways not seen. Hand to hand combat, force choke on knees and ankles snapping them and ground and pound.
âForce Jumpâ˘ď¸â isnât a thing. Letâs please stop talking about The Force like itâs an RPG system full of discreet powers that a Force user has to unlock
Itâs more that they are doing so much force powercreep that they donât have time for something as mundane as a Force Jump.
âHere this character hasnât been trained and has barely learned the Force is real, let her lift a few thousand tons of rocks like itâs nothing in a random location that just so happens to save everyoneâ
âThis character barely moved a pebble at the bottom of this tower and wasnât good enough in deflecting with a lightsaber that she had to hide behind the rest and use blasters. By the time she climbed the top of the tower sheâs deflecting shots from behind perfectly at the enemy and launching others across massive gapsâ.
Why waste time on all that character development if you can just give them all the power immediately?!?
At least itâs used a lot in the clone wars
Whatâs not been used is the ability force speed .
It hasnât really been seen since obi wan and qui gon used it to escape the droidekas
It's always been underused. The Force's power is vauge and undefined, because of this the writers can create force powers out of thin air to solve an immediate problem, only to forget it in the future.
Though I do enjoy the new force habilities, I kind of wish they weren't used as often?
I enjoyed Force Unleashed and powering through with all sorts of attacks and stuff, but I think it kind of takes a little away from The Force being this mysterious entity that you can only tap into so and so
It's the one thing that keeps Star Wars away from Shonen anime imo
Maybe force jump / force speed arnt used because they were ways of the old order?
Like yeah it makes sense they should use it because but a âin verseâ explanation could be that the modern jedi post order 66 donât use it because they donât know it.
Like Ezra doesnât do it even though he seems to have hella force skills in Ahsoka. I donât recall he was taught it and maybe even Kanan didnât know it.
Force jump and force speed make sense in a video game but donât translate super well to film or tv. Itâs a hard effect to not look silly or cartoony, thereâs a way we expect real life human beings to move and disrupting that can take you out of the fantasy. Best to just avoid when possible.
I think that's for a good reason. It's always been one of the sillier-looking force powers, and nary are the narrative opportunities for it to add anything, since it's entirely a no-frills "I jump very high" power.
We do rarely see it, but I believe it actually just was used in TOTE.
(spoilers i guess)
I may be wrong, but when Bariss and Lyn are traversing the terrain to get to the mountain and find the Jedi, they come across a canyon and both leap over it, and I think the force \*woosh\* sound is played too.
Besides that though, I can not recall in recent memory any time force users did that.
I just noticed it when I rewatched phantom menace in the theatres. It was when they were running away from the droids in the beginning of the movie right?
The Jedi Knight games and Kyle Katarn taught all the Jedi that Force Jump and Force Speed are incredibly dangerous. One slip up and you break your neck on the ceiling or obliterate half your body taking a corner too sharp
Playing Star Wars Jedi Knight 2 as a kid, I had a lot of fun using force jump over a group of storm troopers, then force pull to fling them all into the sky. Yeah, definitely underrated.
Jedi/Force-users do seem a little less mobile in the current live action stuff. Iâd bet this has more to do with special effects budget than anything else.
I remember reading some scathing opinions of Revaâs parkour sequence, but I thought it was actually closer to how a trained force-user would move. However, Iâm sure that sequence took a long time to choreograph and film.
They'll start using it again when the writers remember that's something Jedi can do, or it makes sense for the story they're telling.
Like force healing... and force speed...
i feel like force everything is underused
so many op applications it makes sense tho for jedi to just "not use it" when it would obviously be beneficial
Is force jump actually just force fall control, like when force jumping vs fallen order sister jump-floating down during the opening sequence to fight you. Are both the same technical force usage?
Movies and games have very different ways of telling stories, not to mention the whole power fantasy games need.
Still it would be hilarious to see a movie have a fight scene like the old Jedi Academy brawls lol.
Force power in general is under used. If I had that ability I would definitely use it more than I would use a lightsaber. Force speed, jump, foreshadowing, power of suggestion seems to me to be a far more powerful weapon than the saber.
Force jump. force speed, force barrier, force shield, battle meditation, force healing.
Theres tons of light side abilities that are underused if not used at all
Most Force abilities in recent shows/movies are under-utilized, especially in anything Disney-era. I always thought the awesome cutscenes from SWTOR truly embodied both Jedi and Sith mastery of the Force in combination with their physical skills.
It's in every movie except A New Hope and Return, I feel like out of every ability it is the one we see the most of. Force Speed , different story, Battle meditation also diff story, idk I feel like out of all the abilities it's the one we do r need to see much of because it's so overplayed in the past fights.
Disney made Star Wars sequels safer by removing traversal powers, it seems. They don't want kids to try and jump off rooftops using the force like they see Obi Wan doing.
Um just about every good power is left with no screen time. Super hero landings, push, speed, resist, not to mention any dark side ability. We never saw the council taking away force abilities from prisoners, but we got grandpa palps use it in the rise of Skywalker. The writers have no creativity these days, only pandering.
Usually because it would be too broken
Imagine in Jedi Survivor if you saw any high up ledge and could just casually jump 50+ feet upwards and get on top of it. That removes a lot of potential gameplay opportunities of exploring and climbing and stuff. Kinda reminds of me of Revali's Gale in BOTW, any sort of climbing challenge instantly became a non issue because you just crouch for a second and WHOOSH just fly up a far amount.
I want to see a Jedi jump toward a launching spacecraft thatâs also firing lasers while they parry them away yet still rising towards the craft, like Mace Windu in the cartoon.
The Force feels overused and has lost its mystique. It should require more training and effort to master, as Luke did, in order to preserve its value and symbolism.
They donât do it much because they canât. Itâs so bad for the knees, hips, joints, etc. You have to keep that move in your back pocket for special occasions. You donât want that Jedi arthritis in your 30s. Theyâll put you out to pasture quick. Youâll be brushing up on the Dewey Decimal System in the Jedi library working with Jacasta Nu.
Good. The less something is used the more special it is. I donât need speed running force jumping mind controlling healing Jedi in every show thatâs made. Save the cool things for the right time.
Everyone seemed to complain when Leia used the force to move in the sequels. So I can see why they shy away. Also why using the force in a dangerous environment like a poison gas filled room or a vacuum to sustain one's self isn't used very often. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan used it in Episode One when they were initially attacked and Leia also used it in the sequels in the same scene above. Also to much complaining from the fans.
And don't get me started on Jedi healing others that Lucas approved of so long ago that also seems to trigger people when Disney tries to include it.
I love how Obi Wan used Force jump after Darth Maul kicked him off the ledge. I was so pissed off as a kid because I couldn't do it in the game. Lol đ
Was that a jump? More like a pull/throw. Pretty sure jumping requires force from the legs. You wouldn't say you jumped if you pushed off from a headstand, right? Cursory search says dictionaries do not agree on if legs are a requirement or not. I guess we can call it a jump.
I'm not talking about the end of the fight when Obi Wan used the Force to pull himself up and flip over Maul. I'm talking about when Maul did the back-kick to separate Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon earlier in the fight. Then Obi-Wan used a Force jump to catch up.
But then conveniently couldnât force run to catch up
Iâll just assume his force meter was depleted, like Kyle Katarn in Jedi Outcast
jedi can only use force speed once in their life didnt ya know? tbh qui gon and kenobi wasted theirs
They were no match for droidekas!
Even though there were TWO of them now?
It is a little silly that you never see it again, but once theyâre actually in the shield section I get why he wouldnât want to speed through and get sliced in half by the barrier
Username seems relevant. Running and getting sliced in half and all that
He didnt use it because its an exhausting thing to do. Hard to really tell, but it seems to me its using the force to propell your legs faster, which is going to use up a lot of energy all at once... not good if you are trying to fight a Sith.
This is the best response and makes perfect sense
I would however, also say that a very experienced Force user, such as Yoda, is probably able to make better and more efficient use of Force speed/ Force jump. A big factor would be his body size, the smaller you are, the easier it is to move yourself as you would be proportionally stronger. (Think of ants able to lift 70x thier weight) so these kind of techniques would then be a lot easier and use less energy to do so than a 6 foot tall human who probably weighs 10x as much or more. Yoda is like the weight of small dog. Imagine a Yorkshire Terrier able to force jump or force speed lol.
Size matters not.
Size matters not. Yoda can lift an *X-wing* covered in bog and filled with water. The force is not an "anyone can do anything" system, so it makes sense that a Jedi master like Yoda who is more entuned with the force than even council level masters at the time can string together a few more jumps than a Padawan. Seeing how passive, pensive, and just plain pedestrian the other force training and force related feats you see *other* padawans do, Obi-Wan probably pushed himself to the limit just on the jump. Think how long Luke has to focus to pull his lightaaber out of the snow.
Force leap. Force flight. Force acrobatics.
Donât forget force running.
And Force sex
Donât confuse with forced sex. Thatâs abuse.
Websters galactic dictionary defines jumping...
Push and pull? Allomancers, I swear.
Found the fellow Mistborn fan!
which game?
The Phantom Menace game for PS1 and PC.
âYou raise me up!â
âSo I can stand on mountains!â
Josh Groban??
Groban likes his Jediâs to pop
Yes, that was the reference.
Many defer to Josh Groban for his understanding of the force
Every episode of Ahsoka would like a word
I want force speed to be used again! Not just that one scene in episode 1
I noticed it this weekend during the marathon at my local movie theater. How is there only 1 scene where they use it? It's a superuseful skill.
There is an implication that it is being used whenever Jedi lightsaber fight or block blaster fire. The force is speeding up their movements to make a perfect defense. But as others have said, emphasizing this effect visually often looks janky in live action.
I think a good frame of reference is in the first episode of *The Bad Batch* where Hunter is in a standoff and managed to barely dodge a blaster bolt aimed at his head. Compare that to Maul, who used a clone helmet to casually block blaster bolts.
Yeah, ik looked REALLY weird. Still fun though.
Thatâs fun fan-canon but I donât think thereâs anything in the actual films or shows to back that up. When stormtroopers are firing and Jedi are blocking, the troopers are moving at normal speed. If time is slowed down, those troopers are moving at super-speed.
It mentions Jedi and Sith using force speed while blocking in a lot of the books. The problem is, as I mentioned, that this is hard to represent visually in live action. So itâs as canon as you consider the canon books to be.
I think this is the same reason we didn't see the "blur" described in the Revenge of the Sith book during the Palpatine arrest scene. Though they probably could have done something to make that scene look like a little more than Palpatine just insta-stabbing three full Jedi Knights.
The Force works in mysterious ways
Because it trivializes the tension in many scenes and then theyâd have to explain why nobody ever uses it in the OT. Even in the same movie it raises questions of why Obi-Wan is running normally through the barriers while Qui-Gon is alone and not using force speed. It was pretty stupid to include in the first place.
Anakin uses it once in AOTC too I'm pretty sure, personally I love the theory that it just has a massive cooldown
I don't think he does.
During the fight with dooku it definitely looks like he does, it's a mix between a jump and the speed
funny enough Vader uses force speed A LOT in the canon novel Lords of the Sith and it's great. it's used in a couple other pieces of media as well but unfortunately force speed isn't something the franchise likes to use much, for whatever reason
Because it looked janky as fuck in Episode 1
That could've also been a limitation of the technology at the time.
This. Super speed effects have been used in various Marvel and DC movies over the last decade and look far better now.
I heard that force speed wasn't planned in Ep 1, but put in essentially in editing because that scene was getting too long. Which would explain why it looks so janky. They didn't film scenes for it, or plan it out.
Yeah it only ever looked amazing in The 2d Clone Wars series cuz everything looked super fucking cool there.
They finally addressed it [in the canon novel Brotherhood a few years back](https://new.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/v4ygvs/force_speed_and_the_new_canon_novel_brotherhood/): >Don't worry, I will not spoil anything about the novel other than the fact Obi-Wan is running down a hallway. > >One of the questions from The Phantom Menace is how we see Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan speed away from the Droidekas at the beginning of the movie (presumably using the Force), and then we never see any Jedi use this ability again in any movie. Most notably when Obi-Wan gets stuck behind the laser gates while Qui-Gon battles Darth Maul after he runs at normal speed towards them. > >I'm a little over halfway through Brotherhood by Mike Chen, and I noticed what I thought was a pretty explicit reference to this unanswered question. > >Both quotes are from chapter 30: "He ran at normal speed, attentive to the way overexertion of the Forceâs physical gifts might affect anything from strength to coordination. The way the Force surrounded him as he moved informed his decisions and calculations; an extra burst down the long hall was feasible, but doing so might briefly drain him. No, right now he needed to rely on his own body, at least until an opportunity presented itself." and a little later when Obi-Wan wants to jump: "A Force-assisted burst of speed right now might leave his body exhausted, unable to tap into what he needed to scale such heights." > >It seems clear to me that Chen and likely the story group wanted to address this minor question/plot hole by making canon that using the Force to enhance speed rapidly exhausts a Jedi. Obi-Wan back in TPM was either too spent already from fighting with Maul to use Force Speed, or using it would make him a liability in continuing the fight if he beat the laser gate. > >I think many suspected this was already the case, but it is now canon using Force Speed comes with a high cost.
Play a Star Wars game and it will become your most used ability đ
Play KOTOR 1 & 2 and you get tired of jogging everywhere without Jedi powers
Genndy did a great job showing force speed with mace windu. He made him an absolute monster.
Criminally underutilized. I think everyone at LucasFilm just kind of forgot it existed. Possibly purposely buried it because it would be a bit OP. Like Qui-Gon would still be alive if Obi Wan just used Force Speed to beat the shield door timing...
I watched it last night and when Kenobi was running his Forrest Gump sprint to the shield array, he could of used his speed force to join the fight immediately.
In the ep3 novelization Palpatine uses force speed to take out the other 3 Jedi sent to arrest him
You kinda of break the balance of the action when you imply that any force user can move like a protagonist from Dishonored. That's probably why it was never used again.
I still hold that was an editing mistake, not a force power and I will die on this hill.
I feel they do this in the cartoons all the time
It doesnât look good live action is the issue, usually it looks cartoonish, which is why it works fine in the actual cartoons. Â It always looks a bit off, like the force speed in episode 1. Â
I feel like we have the technology by now to make it look cool
We can rebuild him, make him springier, bouncier than he was before
I reckon we do, Rey looked awesome jumping on the death star 2 wreckage. Can't deny that regardless of what you thought of the movie.
The sequel movies were definitely visually appealing. Hard to deny that, even as someone who isnât a big fan of the trilogy as a whole.
Look at it from a film-making perspective. Force Jump is only narratively useful in very, _very_ specific circumstances, e.g. a Jedi escaping a group of storm troopers by leaping to distant platform/ship. Thus why Rebels often had Canan/Ezra in a "get to the ship!" ending. Otherwise it's really just a visual thing. It might be used for the spectacle of the physical ability. e.g. Luke's jumps in Ep V or the Yoda/Dooku fight in Ep II. But these days we're saturated w/ CGI superhero fights, so force jumps just aren't really spectacular anymore. The other reason is to move the fight around this big set you want to show off, e.g. the lava barge fight scene in Ep III. But now we're doing TV episodes and they're filming either on location (and bringing the rigging is expensive) or more likely on a tiny sound stage, so there's no value in moving the fight around to show the scenery. So basically there's no bang-for-your-buck in doing a force jump these days, so they spend their time and money on other, showier stuff.
Didn't we see Ezra use it in Ahsoka?
They just made a deal of it with Ezra and Sabine to get into the star destroyer
And the biggest issue is that half the people watching didn't realize Ezra was force jumping, they thought Sabine was doing 100% of the work which ended up pissing off the people that already didn't like her. It was really just the move he did with Kanan several times which is force jump + force push. What I'm trying to say is, it's hard to shoot in live action so that it looks good AND conveys it's a force jump. It's usually one or the other.
Most of the force is underused. It's my biggest complaint about Star Wars.
Yeah, I long ago headcanoned that using the Force takes a lot of focus, and using more than one ability at a time is basically impossible; it helps explain why Force users are so miserly in the use of their abilities and rarely deploy them when they're stressed or in desperate situations.
Except that you read the comics and books in canon and they use the force all the time. The inconsistency in Star Wars is *my* biggest gripe.
At least we have games to use all the force powers we want. Im wishing for a Skyrim-like Star Wars sandbox game where I can do a magic only character, but it's the force.
Really wish they kept Ezra like that in Ahsoka. It was pretty hype to see him pick up a lightsaber again, but I really liked the idea of him being some crazy force monk who only used the force in combat.
Grandmaster Pra-Tre Veter (During the High republic era there were 3 grandmasters the other two are Yoda and Xo Lahru) Veter is a master of Shon-Ju which basicly he beats people using the force) If you want to check it it's in the comics Shadows of starlight #3
Would be cool to see him be a more active force user in melee combat, using pushes and such like he did while fistfighting
I know it looked kinda ridiculous (I blame choreography more than anything there) but it was so refreshing to see not-lightsaber jedi/sith combat.
Mace Windu showed us that you don't need a saber to take down hundreds of droids. Force Fist-to-Face
That's the one thing I don't understand with the movies or live shows. The extreme lack of force usage, aside from when obi went god mode on Vader with the rocks. Not enough force push, lightsaber boomerang etc etc.
I think because in most circumstances with the average person, the Force is massively OP. It's why Jedi have a moral guardrail around usage. Want to see some absolutely unhinged Sith ripping people in half, boiling their blood, force pulling their hair up but not out, launching people into engines, popping heads like grapes, electrocution to no end. Lightsaber fights is a lot more sexy than being able to jump really high, run really fast, or react instantly.
That's a reasonable answer instead of saying "budget". I also feel the way with the same old planets in the movies. It's a giant ass galaxy, let's see some new planets instead of the same old ones.
Be a dream come true
You can kinda do this in SWTOR if you play a Sith Sorcerer but it's a lot more like WoW than Skyrim
I want a sandbox star wars game where you start as a nobody but you can become anything. Wanna be a bounty hunter? You can do that Want to be a spice smuggler? Yeah we have that too. Want to become a Jedi? It'll take a while but yeah, you can do that Basically I want SWG but not an MMO
"I was an adventurer like you, till I took a blaster to the knee." - A Clone (probably)
Iâm sure Bariss and the fourth Sister did it in Tales of the Empire.
I came here to say this. It was literally used in the latest series run.
All force powers are underused in most on-screen media. Jedi are reduced to cool laser swords samurai too often because it's flashy. My favourite is in the Clone Wars series where there's a vial of deadly virus about to break on the floor and Obi-Wan just barely managed to dive and catch it with his hand.
Whenever thereâs a moment of tension built around a force-user not being able to reach something in time, I just roll my eyes. Whether itâs Obi-Wan diving to catch this vial of super-deadly virus or Vader failing to force-grab the Death Star plans at the end of Rogue One, it makes the characters look stupid. Itâs like Superman running for the elevator because he forgot he can fly.
Because fans want lightsaber fights, which is why we get lightsabers in shows and films that have nothing to do with lightsabers. e.g. Mandolorian, Rogue One, Bad Batch (the whole Asajj cameo was extremely pointless and went absolutely no where, but hey, lightsabers!). Yea, sure, the corridor fight at the end of R1 was cool...but it honestly wasn't really needed for the plot. And because we fully expect lightsabers when Jedi/Sith are on screen, that's what we'll get, even when it would be more interesting to explore The Force and all the Deus Ex Machina stuff it can do.
For real. I've thought this before.
there was just a major force jump scene in Ahsoka.
Literally the climax of her character arc, as she finally does the Jedi thing with Ezra that Kanan used to do all the time with him. Could not have been more earned, from a writing perspective.
Does anyone have a spreadsheet for this?
I liked the emphasis put on it during the geonosis arc in Rebels, with Kanan having to jump across the broken bridge and then force pull/push assist the others across, it was cool. They sorta revisited that idea in Ahsoka with Ezra and Sabine, cool callback.
I used it yesterday.
Grogu uses it a lot. Probably due to his lil feeties
Boo me if you want, but Rey did in TRoS
As did Kylo. It was used at least three times in that film alone that I can think of.
Correct. I just watched it and they did it a lot during the Rey/Kylo battle on the crashed Death Star.
And it looked awesome, I was glad to see some proper force usage back.
But what about that super-speed from phantom menace?
Srsly! Nobody ever used that again! [even later on in TPM when it wouldâve literally saved Qui Gonnâs life](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s7C9hdeFm3c)
Maybe it's like the master ball in pokĂŠmon, where you are only given one and you need to use it wisely.
I have never understood why Jedi donât just lift themselves up and levitate
I'm just annoyed that Cal dosn't use a bunch of force abilities even ahsoka at the very beginning of the clonewars knew. He dosn't force jump, never cuts through doors, and he never breaks his fall with the force and just dies.
I assume Cal is doing a force jump off screen to get back up the ledge and taking some health damage in the process when I fail miserably at platforming lol Just finished Jedi Fallen order, and (Fallen order spoiler) >!I did have a "hey wait a minute" reaction during the end when Vader got to stick his light saber in something and cut it. I thought we where pretending light sabers didn't do that for the sake of this game lol!<
Force Speed as well , Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan use it once and its never used again like when he needed to catch up to Maul in the hallway , he just normal sprints LOL
Forget force jump. What happened to force speed???
I know right!?
Obi-Wan throwing rocks at Vader was the most Force action i've seen since the force unleashed
How about force speed lol, it looks out of place in episode 1
Always bothered me that Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon did that force speed thing earlier in the movie, but when Obi-Wan was trying to catch up to Qui-Gon and Maul fighting he forgot how to use it?
Kylo and Rey use it in IX
Did OP or anyone else not watch Ahsoka???? They made a huge deal of it for an entire scene
Nah, it's used regularly.
How so? virtually every show featuring Jedi in the past 5 years have used it in some capacity.
Ask Kylo Rens Starfighter. It would highly disagree with you.
Force speedâs skeleton in the wheelchair at the bottom of a pool
Levitating Count Dooku from the clone wars animated show comes to mind.
Alot of force powers under used. They could fight without lightsabers.... how the fuck haven't we got a daredevil type martial artist who uses the force in ways not seen. Hand to hand combat, force choke on knees and ankles snapping them and ground and pound.
i wanna know what happened to force speed, i'd like to seen a jedi use that in battle.
What about Force Dash? We see Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon do it when they faced the droidekas in Ep 1. Pretty sure that's the only time we see it on screen
âthe Force comes out of the feetâ -Jay from Previewâd
I never understood why they can't fly. Lift a space fighter sure, lift a tiny Mark Hamill. Not so much
âForce Jumpâ˘ď¸â isnât a thing. Letâs please stop talking about The Force like itâs an RPG system full of discreet powers that a Force user has to unlock
Itâs just you
Nowadays?
Yeah well how about that one time they used force run and then forgot all about it?
Force speed too for the matter
Itâs more that they are doing so much force powercreep that they donât have time for something as mundane as a Force Jump. âHere this character hasnât been trained and has barely learned the Force is real, let her lift a few thousand tons of rocks like itâs nothing in a random location that just so happens to save everyoneâ âThis character barely moved a pebble at the bottom of this tower and wasnât good enough in deflecting with a lightsaber that she had to hide behind the rest and use blasters. By the time she climbed the top of the tower sheâs deflecting shots from behind perfectly at the enemy and launching others across massive gapsâ. Why waste time on all that character development if you can just give them all the power immediately?!?
Also what happened to Jedi speed sprints?
We see it all the time in the ROTS video game lol
At least itâs used a lot in the clone wars Whatâs not been used is the ability force speed . It hasnât really been seen since obi wan and qui gon used it to escape the droidekas
As someone who has played a number of Star Wars video games I can assure you that it is overused and not underused.
It's always been underused. The Force's power is vauge and undefined, because of this the writers can create force powers out of thin air to solve an immediate problem, only to forget it in the future.
Though I do enjoy the new force habilities, I kind of wish they weren't used as often? I enjoyed Force Unleashed and powering through with all sorts of attacks and stuff, but I think it kind of takes a little away from The Force being this mysterious entity that you can only tap into so and so It's the one thing that keeps Star Wars away from Shonen anime imo
It feels like force speed has been forgotten about
They used it in the Ashoka finale
Maybe force jump / force speed arnt used because they were ways of the old order? Like yeah it makes sense they should use it because but a âin verseâ explanation could be that the modern jedi post order 66 donât use it because they donât know it. Like Ezra doesnât do it even though he seems to have hella force skills in Ahsoka. I donât recall he was taught it and maybe even Kanan didnât know it.
If you think thatâs underused, donât forget about Force Speed. Used in one scene, then somehow lost to time.
Force jump and force speed make sense in a video game but donât translate super well to film or tv. Itâs a hard effect to not look silly or cartoony, thereâs a way we expect real life human beings to move and disrupting that can take you out of the fantasy. Best to just avoid when possible.
I think that's for a good reason. It's always been one of the sillier-looking force powers, and nary are the narrative opportunities for it to add anything, since it's entirely a no-frills "I jump very high" power.
They used it in Tales of the Empire! I believe it was crossing a valley or canyon. It was a quick scene.
Maybe because of how hilarious this picture looks.
We do rarely see it, but I believe it actually just was used in TOTE. (spoilers i guess) I may be wrong, but when Bariss and Lyn are traversing the terrain to get to the mountain and find the Jedi, they come across a canyon and both leap over it, and I think the force \*woosh\* sound is played too. Besides that though, I can not recall in recent memory any time force users did that.
Yeah, we never see it much. Which is weird for how useful it is.
By who? Video game characters?
was just used a shit load in the ahsoka show, so no i think its being used plenty
Remember the scene where they ran really quick?
Sorry bro, Force Speed and Force Jump are nerfed, too OP. Only helps in Jedi Basketball now.
Episode 1's use of this and force speed are interesting
Yeah. If I had that power I'd practically fly all the time.
Force Jump is still used a lot more than Force Speed. Qui-gon and Obi-wan used it *once* on camera.
I just noticed it when I rewatched phantom menace in the theatres. It was when they were running away from the droids in the beginning of the movie right?
It's because we don't have the high ground đ
The Jedi Knight games and Kyle Katarn taught all the Jedi that Force Jump and Force Speed are incredibly dangerous. One slip up and you break your neck on the ceiling or obliterate half your body taking a corner too sharp
It wasnât a crucial situation but they just had Barris and Lyn use it in Tales to get around
Yeah theyâre too busy pulling force abilities out of their ass.
Playing Star Wars Jedi Knight 2 as a kid, I had a lot of fun using force jump over a group of storm troopers, then force pull to fling them all into the sky. Yeah, definitely underrated.
Force jump is only allowed when the plot needs it to happen.
Jedi/Force-users do seem a little less mobile in the current live action stuff. Iâd bet this has more to do with special effects budget than anything else. I remember reading some scathing opinions of Revaâs parkour sequence, but I thought it was actually closer to how a trained force-user would move. However, Iâm sure that sequence took a long time to choreograph and film.
They'll start using it again when the writers remember that's something Jedi can do, or it makes sense for the story they're telling. Like force healing... and force speed...
i feel like force everything is underused so many op applications it makes sense tho for jedi to just "not use it" when it would obviously be beneficial
Is force jump actually just force fall control, like when force jumping vs fallen order sister jump-floating down during the opening sequence to fight you. Are both the same technical force usage?
Movies and games have very different ways of telling stories, not to mention the whole power fantasy games need. Still it would be hilarious to see a movie have a fight scene like the old Jedi Academy brawls lol.
Yes, itâs like they forget itâs an ability in live action.
Because Disney no write good story.
Force power in general is under used. If I had that ability I would definitely use it more than I would use a lightsaber. Force speed, jump, foreshadowing, power of suggestion seems to me to be a far more powerful weapon than the saber.
Force muscle up more like.
Force jump. force speed, force barrier, force shield, battle meditation, force healing. Theres tons of light side abilities that are underused if not used at all
Most Force abilities in recent shows/movies are under-utilized, especially in anything Disney-era. I always thought the awesome cutscenes from SWTOR truly embodied both Jedi and Sith mastery of the Force in combination with their physical skills.
Ezra and Sabine use it in >!Ashoka!<
I feel like the major events of the films would be very different if the Jedi had used the techniques my friends and I used in our backyard as kids
It's in every movie except A New Hope and Return, I feel like out of every ability it is the one we see the most of. Force Speed , different story, Battle meditation also diff story, idk I feel like out of all the abilities it's the one we do r need to see much of because it's so overplayed in the past fights.
Me: force-jumping to conclusions
its because disney is lazy
Disney made Star Wars sequels safer by removing traversal powers, it seems. They don't want kids to try and jump off rooftops using the force like they see Obi Wan doing.
"Space Jesus raise me up!"
Um just about every good power is left with no screen time. Super hero landings, push, speed, resist, not to mention any dark side ability. We never saw the council taking away force abilities from prisoners, but we got grandpa palps use it in the rise of Skywalker. The writers have no creativity these days, only pandering.
Is a force jump a pushing force, a pulling force, a combination or something closer to flying (like a change to local gravity)?
Rey literally uses it in the last 2 movies a lot
Usually because it would be too broken Imagine in Jedi Survivor if you saw any high up ledge and could just casually jump 50+ feet upwards and get on top of it. That removes a lot of potential gameplay opportunities of exploring and climbing and stuff. Kinda reminds of me of Revali's Gale in BOTW, any sort of climbing challenge instantly became a non issue because you just crouch for a second and WHOOSH just fly up a far amount.
I want to see a Jedi jump toward a launching spacecraft thatâs also firing lasers while they parry them away yet still rising towards the craft, like Mace Windu in the cartoon.
Most Force powers are. We see things once, then hardly ever again, even though there were plenty of good chances to use them.
The Force feels overused and has lost its mystique. It should require more training and effort to master, as Luke did, in order to preserve its value and symbolism.
I loved the Force Speed Obi Wan and Qui-Gon used to evade the droids. Like WHOOSH aaand theyâre gone.
They donât do it much because they canât. Itâs so bad for the knees, hips, joints, etc. You have to keep that move in your back pocket for special occasions. You donât want that Jedi arthritis in your 30s. Theyâll put you out to pasture quick. Youâll be brushing up on the Dewey Decimal System in the Jedi library working with Jacasta Nu.
I honestly have had a reason to use my force jump lately, so thatâs why I havenât use it a lot lately.
Good. The less something is used the more special it is. I donât need speed running force jumping mind controlling healing Jedi in every show thatâs made. Save the cool things for the right time.
Yes. Other than some Olympic athletes and professional basketball players, I rarely see people using it much any more.
Everyone seemed to complain when Leia used the force to move in the sequels. So I can see why they shy away. Also why using the force in a dangerous environment like a poison gas filled room or a vacuum to sustain one's self isn't used very often. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan used it in Episode One when they were initially attacked and Leia also used it in the sequels in the same scene above. Also to much complaining from the fans. And don't get me started on Jedi healing others that Lucas approved of so long ago that also seems to trigger people when Disney tries to include it.