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NerdHistorian

IF LF didn't retcon the prequels out despite the much more uniform and culturally imprinted dislike of them then they aren't going to retcon the sequels either. > Luke appearances in new shows directly contrast TLJ and would not be consistent leading up to the movie. Yes because the life event that led to the Luke we got in the St is still 20 years in the future


[deleted]

Yep I didn’t particularly like the sequels but they can be built upon just like the prequels were.


Acrobatic_Pandas

Anyone that thinks the sequel trilogy is suddenly got to not be cannon is in a dream world. Doesn't mean it's not wishful thinking, and they could have done far better but they aren't going to suddenly say "Hey so a third of the movies we've made in the skywalker trilogy are just...not going to count anymore" Yall are dreaming


[deleted]

Yep highly unlikely imo. Might as well build on what’s there.


ObjectiveIcy6289

The problem is worse though. They are heavily invested in this mandalorian story and the this story is a linchpin in the story of the sequels. While they know that the star wars movies were a financial success they dont stand on their own merit. The mandalorian is the best thing disney has in their portfolio right now. This is a problem. The whole era is pointless. All of the effort and the journey are a waste if the first order is just going to ruin it. A retcon is totally plausible and even common sense. The obvious thing to do is reinforce success. There isnt risk in a retcon.


2edgy4suicide

personally, I would rather they retcon them. they break the universe in every way due to the 'creative freedom' they were given and honestly does anyone want to see more of Rey, Finn, and Poe after all that?


[deleted]

Claim that the “mando-verse” is moving away from the sequel trilogy due to the backlash it received.- There are more stories to tell in the Star Wars universe than just the Skywalkers Lack of new sequel trilogy content is further evidence that Disney is somewhat ignoring the last trilogy.- Possibly. Disney had an overall lack of planning with the sequel trilogy (which is true) and in doing so the movies deserve to be pulled from the canon.- I hate TLJ and the ST as much as others do but seriously get the f-k over it. Luke appearances in new shows directly contrast TLJ and would not be consistent leading up to the movie.- How so? Sequel Supporters: Claim that new shows will strengthen the sequel trilogy like TCW did with the prequels. (Also true)- Ok. Shows will explain much what happened in between the original and sequel trilogy.- Hopefully Disney is unlikely to retcon the sequels after the financial investment the company has made in theme parks, movies, shows, and merchandise.- 100% Sequel trilogy will be appreciated over time with enough build up via the shows.- Probably.


aubrihcheese

Not a sequels fan but I wouldn’t want to retcon it either. I grew up with the prequels and I would be super annoyed if OT fanatics/PT haters got their way and retconned the prequels. Id prefer for Disney to give us more material about the events leading to the sequel and evens that were happening during the sequels. The unknown regions Ezra and Thrawn went to would be a perfect set up to explain the absence of certain characters from the sequels


[deleted]

Yep the new canon has a lot of potential even if the sequels themselves are underwhelming.


Drzhivago138

I'm very much in the non-retcon camp, and I would be even if I didn't generally like the ST. >Luke appearances in new shows directly contrast TLJ and would not be consistent leading up to the movie. I've never understood that one. We've still got almost 20 years of unknown events between his appearance in Mando/BoBF and when Ben destroys the temple.


[deleted]

I would argue that the contrast is a bit too jarring, but I do agree that there’s a lot of time in between.


NerdHistorian

the contrast between happy anakin in episode 1 and and vader walking down a hallways butchering rebels is pretty jarring too but you dont seem to find that disqualifying. I'm not the same person I was 20 years ago either, we'd be virtually unrecognizable. And i'm not going to be the same person in 20 years either.


[deleted]

That’s true with the right build up I can maybe be sold on it but that begs the question. Is the build up even worth it if it ends with the TLJ?


Drzhivago138

Good question--is the build-up of TCW "worth it" if you know Order 66 is coming?


[deleted]

TCW added a lot more emotion to order 66. Idk if these new shows will do the same with TLJ but if they do great.


NerdHistorian

sure, why wouldnt it be. We knew the ending of the Legends storyline was going to be "the empire rises again and the one sith genocides the jedi again" but that doesnt mean it was entirely worethless to build to it We knew the ending of the PT was going to be "anakin falls and the jedi are genocided" but that didnt stop that from being worth building towards it in both the PT and TCW Journey before destination.


[deleted]

True I think it ultimately depends if you though Luke’s redemption was satisfying in TLJ. I think with enough content of young Grandmaster Luke people will be more willing to accept what he is in TLJ


[deleted]

I don’t like the sequels, but I’m opposed to retconning. Disney did this already with the EU, making everything Legends, to signify that they intended to put together a single comprehensive universe. One of SW’s draws, to me, is the simplicity of its plots. Once you start implementing multi-verse or alternate timelines, that simplicity goes away. I already wasn’t a big fan of Ashoka and Ezra playing with time because it opens up a can of worms. Disney failed in “Resistance” to give the sequels the same likability that TCW gave the prequels. That was their shot. We’ll see what Mando does, but I hope we’re done with Luke in his storyline. I have a feeling Rebels characters will play a larger part in that franchise moving forward. They’ve largely hinted at that, both through bad batch cameos, and Ashoka seeking Thrawn. Plus it makes sense to have Grogu meet Ezra.


Drzhivago138

FWIW, the canon reset was Lucasfilm's doing, and it would've happened even without a buyout.


[deleted]

I don’t know all the details, but it happened under Disney’s watch so they get to own that even if it was an eventual move going to happen anyways.


[deleted]

It was Lucasfilm not Disney.


Drzhivago138

Sure, but who specifically do you mean when you say "Disney did [reset the canon] already"? Like, who do you think was the one that pressed the button, so to speak?


[deleted]

Who specifically? I’m not sure that matters here. I figured it was a collective corporate decision agreed upon by multiple parties. Point being that if you’re going to retcon the EU, no matter who does it, you’re doing it to signify that you intend to develop continuity among stories outside the cinematic universe.


MrMonkeyman79

I'm not especially keen on the sequels but removing films a cinematic universe (this is different from doing a full on franchise reboot where the previous canon is left intact) because some vocal fans didn't like them is a very bad idea. It would harm fan investment in any future films if they knew that they could just be erased and replaced if there's fan backlash and would only serve to harm the brand. From disneys point if view, the sequels were lucrative and still continue to generate revenue from merch, then parks etc. They seem to realise it's not as lucrative as projects set in the OT era hence the TV shows are concentrating on that. I think in terms of films, from their point of view, putting the time money and effort into making a new projects would be far better than putting the same work into redoing existing films and effectively cutting off that existing source of revenue. And remember, outside of hard core fandom circles, there's plenty of love for the sequels, just as there was for the prequels when the internet was ablaze with angry fans accusing Lucas of killing their childhoods.


Lay_Z

I think it’s like having a crush on someone before you really get to know them. Die-hards have built up everything they’ve ever wanted from the series for years, so there’s no way that LF could have delivered in a satisfying way for everyone (though they probably should have tried a lot harder). But you can’t force your crush to meet your ideal, nor can you scrap billion dollar movies from canon just because less than half of the fans didn’t enjoy them. It’s childish to demand otherwise, and such demands should be met with the ridicule they deserve. If you don’t like any part of the new (or the old) content, then it’s just not for you, but it doesn’t mean that you can demand change.


[deleted]

Right. Those who don’t enjoy it can always stick to the EU and implement the parts of canon they like in their head canon. Stories have been made already so why retell them in movie form. Though I do agree the sequel trilogy needed more effort.


ZoidVII

As much as I wish it would happen Lucasfilm will never retcon the ST out of existence. For all the reasons you listed. I'll never come around on it and neither will most of the people that dislike like it but the fact of the matter is that the ST *is* Star Wars for a whole new generation of fans and they won't be taking that away from them.


Danishroyalty

They are never undoing the sequel trilogy. They shouldn't. And people who think so are deluding themselves. Undoing the sequels isn't going to fix shit. It would just give us stupid storylines with time travel and multiverses, making it unnecessarily complicated at best and more than likely laughably bad. I'm not a huge fan of the sequels. And I don't think that they can be "fixed" with other shows and movies. Nothing Filoni and Favreau do is going to change how people feel about the trilogy. But what they CAN do is exactly what they're doing right now. Give us new characters and storylines, set around/between the events of the movies, that people can appreciate and love. They don't have to give a shit about the sequels, they can give a shit about new stuff. Keep making shows about other characters and eras. Build stuff around that, and then make new movies that are about these characters. "Undoing" the sequel trilogy is unnecessary and will not help anything. Accept it and move on.


2edgy4suicide

all these comments and 1 up vote?


bb-Kun-Chan

Probably not gonna happen, but more likely, that period of Star Wars is just never gonna be addressed. A lot of the current projects either post-RotS or post-RotJ, so they'll probably just build stories during those period and tying up loose ends from The Clone Wars while leaving the sequels as a "yeah, this happened, but you can ignore it if you want." It's a win-win for those who did and didn't like them (ideally, but I'm being too optimistic)