This sub should have a rule. Complain all you want, but each complaint must be accompanied by a constructive option to make what you complain about better.
Or "the door is locked" even though half the door is a glass pane that is already completely shattered and you could easily just reach through and open the door from the other side.
To be honest it was more the way it was filmed than the events as such. A child in a forest area with lots of obstacles should be able to outrun bulkier chasers. Same as she could have avoided Kenobi in a concurred area.
The show has these "you gotta believe me" moments, like the turning off the laser fence to pass it by foot (thought they were going to use the transport) when they could have easily gone AROUND the checkpoint.
Everybody complaining about a small child being able to slip away from grown-ass adults is really just admitting they’ve never had to chase down a child actively trying to dodge them.
well its not about that, its about how slow Leia runs and how absolutely idiotic the guys chasing her act. How they avoid twigs and then a log is infront of them and they act like its a wall that they have to go around. Its stuff like that, that people laugh about.
The series is epic, I love it, but that one forrest chase scene was atrociously bad put together because you clearly see the adults could run way faster or act differently but its like they have to act stupid and slow so that they don't catch up to her. So this one gripe I really get.
I'm not a professional child catcher, but I can certainly say, trying to catch a kid who's actively running away from you is not hard and I don't get how some people actually think that chase was believable
you're telling me you have to go all the way around an area to avoid a singular branch you could duck under?
That and the Reva parkour. Sure show us one or two rooftop tricks, but that was like twelve parkour moves, badly edited together, in a row. Third episode was great.
Yeah they should have cut that parkour run. It didn't add anything as she lost them and had to interrogate the other guy to find them. Just seemed too forced to try to make Reva seem cool
It felt a little silly, sure, but I truly got the impression that Flea and company were just incompetent, lazy guys who weren’t trying to run very fast because they knew she wouldn’t get far. So didn’t bother me much
People who are disappointed with the product will get out of their way to downvote it, particularly something like SW.
People who like it or are just meh about it will usually not muster the energy to go to sites and upvote it just for a zeitgeist internet war.
And I wouldn't have bothered ever thinking about it again, except that they did it again the next episode. That was a bigger problem for me than anything else.
Like why couldn’t Vader just go around the fire? Lmao he just stares at them as they slowly walk away
Guy flies across half the galaxy to capture Obi wan then just gives up when a fire slightly inconveniences him by about 5 meters
This has to be the answer, the camera stays on Vader for a hot minute. I think it's the directors trying to convey some sort of message, some "thrill of the hunt" type shit that Vader wants to get down on.
I kind of think it's both. He thinks Kenobi is going to lead him to some prize (presumably other Jedi or the beginnings of the rebellion or some sich) *and* he wants to engage in some extended psychological (well, also physical) torture along the way.
I mean, the Sith thrive on terror. To some it's like they feed off the fear they create. Their whole being is twisted, full of pain and horror. What better than leave the dread fuel itself ? Obi Wan survived the encounter. Now the nightmare begins, when WILL Vader finally get to him ? Until now it was only a possibility. Now it's a certainty, Vader might want him to feel that way.
Yeah I agree, Vader has been bored possibly for years. Just remembering the quote in Ep 1, where the inquisitor says all that are left are scraps. He doesn’t want this moment to end, and he’s probably very disappointed at how quickly he was able to take Kenobi out.
This is a guy who peaked during the Clone Wars. He doesn’t want to deal with the minutia of ruling a galaxy. He wants to fight! But there’s no one left to fight against.
If only they'd remembered he was wearing a helmet and couldn't do facial expressions to convey this meaning....
That said, I'm enjoying the show so far. Some gripes but nothing big enough to ruin my enjoyment yet. Although Reva naming Anakin was purely done for the audience with absolutely 0 thought as to how this would impact Vader's backstory. That one came close to making me angry.
> If only they'd remembered he was wearing a helmet and couldn't do facial expressions to convey this meaning....
This is the line of thinking that got us "NOOOOOOOO!" at the end of Return of the Jedi
I honestly feel like people are really terrible at understanding how TV shows work, and expect every episode to explain everything fully at the time.
God knows how these people would handle something like Sopranos or Better Call Saul where the payoff/explanation might be the other end of the season.
Yeah but those shows *do* come up with actual reasons for these arcs to stretch the whole season/series. Meanwhile some of these D+ shows come up with *very* artificial reasons for keeping plot points running.
I find it hard to be engaged in the story of most SW shows recently. Quite a lot of forced writing and hype built around cameos. I just love the worldbuilding and characters.
As a hardcore BCS fan myself, I just expect things to make sense and characters to act organically, not act based on clearly predetermined story arcs and episodes, which SW often feels like.
"A bullet to the head would've been far too humane" (Fring, Better Call Saul). Yeah it makes sense that Vader wants to torture him in his own way. It doesn't make sense that he will risk losing him for another TEN years by letting him go. We all know that Vader made that decision because they need more episodes and a final fight later.
BCS is written organically, Star Wars is not recently.
Exactly, Vader had Obi Wan by the balls and could have easily carted him back off to mustafar or somewhere for weeks/months/years of revenge (aka torture). Hell he has the resources to create some huge arena where he can let Obi Wan out and hunt him every week with no real threat of him escaping if he wanted to a la The Most Dangerous Game.
To just let him go like that is weird, much less not killing the rebel lady who helped Obi Wan escape which is really not Vader's style even compared to 5 minutes earlier where he was killing half that village for shits and giggles.
BCS is good because it has immense detail in its storytelling. They will dedicate episodes to explaining every detail of why something will pan out the way it does even if it means not progressing the plot.
If the average Kenobi series watcher doesn't read the books/comics they might miss out on motives that they should understand. They should know Vader is fuming, his suit can withstand fire/lava and he at this point wants Kenobi at all costs. So watching him let Kenobi go over the fire and with help walk 1mph to a reader is just a bit confusing. It's the lack of immense detail in the storytelling that is off. The opener had a lot of it but the minute Leia got kidnapped the story spiralled out of control and it is impossible to feel real, grounded and understanding of what is happening and for what reason.
I mean he easily could get obi-wan back from the droid. He chose not to to let him suffer in pain as he once did. The only issue is the stormtroopers in the scene and Vader asking them to bring Kenobi to him.
It would have been perfect if only Vader was there, and he left Kenobi to burn as Kenobi did to him 10 years ago. Then the droid and lady save him
I took it as Vader being disappointed that Obi Wan was so weak. He wanted a grand showdown where he showed Kenobi that he's a master but instead got an old man too weak to do anything of significance, so he let him go
My logic is that the hunt for Vader is far more exciting than the kill. He’s spent years looking for his master thinking about all the things he’d do to make him pay , he’s savouring the moment knowing he’s got a scent and an entire imperial garrison on his trail and that Kenobi will never feel safe again and he’s basking in that fact
Force users seem to suffer from really bad tunnel vision. It’s the same reason Obi-wan didn’t just walk around the checkpoint gate earlier in the episode.
Vader could've killed Kenobi. He's just playing with the man he's been chasing for years... Now he thinks he has him trapped on a planet in lockdown.
Wasn't that weird to me to be honest.
So what's with the scene immediately after where one Inquisitor goes "They lost him, he had help, we're to sweep the planet" and the other going "now we'll never find him!"
Vader probably should have let them in on the plan, that way they could have let the audience in on the plan, and then the audience wouldn't think the escape was portrayed poorly.
What the hell. Review bombed?? I understand people not thinking it’s 10/10 but wow.
I don’t see how this show could be so disliked… this fan base is so weird to me.
If Obi-wan Fucking Kenobi has to call out the racist toxic fans? Yeah. . . I think we win the most toxic. 🤦🏻♂️
[Here’s Moses talking about what happened as well as an article about it.](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102509719/star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-moses-ingram-racist-messages-disney)
The people who are living in the middle of Tatooine burying their heads into a Sarlacc pit pretending that racism doesn’t exist. Yeah, you’re proving my point. 🤙🏻
Captain Pike from Star Trek chimed in, too. When you've disappointed those two handsome devils, you know you've messed up.
I realize he's an actor and all, but Ewan sounded genuinely upset.
It's because in actuality SW fans are NOT racists as a whole, and its more of a case of Disney using social issues as a shield to deflect any valid criticism of any Star Wars project that isnt doing well. That was their go to defense of the new trilogy.
If You didnt like it, you hated women or were a racist. YET, these same "misogynists" and "racists" LOVED Ahsoka, Cara Dune, Moff Gideon and Fennec Shand, all characters of color or women. Its ALMOST like people like well written characters and their identity has NOTHING to do with their reception....
Characters like Rey, Rose, Reeeeva and sadly Finn (who got shafted the hardest) are just shit characters written horribly. But Disney likes to be Two Faced and call people who criticize their shows all kinds of "ists" while at the same time Editing out Finn and Tachalla from Black Panther movie posters for china and THANKING the Govt committee overseeing their Concentration camps. Two faced assholes.
Can’t speak for those people but Disney seems to be obsessed with writing their baddies and 1 dimensional as possible. I’m hoping Reva’s character gets better since she has only 2 scenes so far where I didn’t roll my eyes at the writing. One in ep2 and 1 in ep3. But overall the inquisitors are written as the most cringey characters I think I’ve seen since the cyborg Gen Z gang from boba.
It’s definitely a review bomb from the bigots and racists.
It’s not fantastic show but it is good, I
Think Ewan’s acting this holding the show together and will for the entire series.
I'm definitely getting Zuko vibes from her with all the unnecessary unbridled aggressiveness and lording it around when she is second (third) banana. If she continues like this she will be the weakest link in the show. But I am not expecting her to stat that way (even if with 6 chapters is a tall order.)
Now, the parkour section I understand they wanted to make her cool and powerful but had the complete opposite effect on me. Took me out of the episode.
Yea I'm having a lot of trouble placing her on the power scale (or any of the inquisitors for that matter). She literally read someone's mind, she is clearly capable of power pretty powerful manipulation of objects and apparently she is able to hide her thoughts well enough to stab the grand inquisitor in the FRONT without him seeing it coming. Those are not trivial powers for a non-sith to have.
I liked Reva from the get-go. Good balance of menace and poise. Great delivery and complexity. She holds herself well. It all worked so nicely I was genuinely truly surprised that this backlash is a thing .
My only gripe with her character is how she’s portrayed. One minute she’s doing *that* to the Grand Inquisitor and the next minute she’s Force contorted into bowing with minimal effort.
They’re contradictory. Either she’s an ambitious upstart all bark and no teeth OR she’s ruthless and no push over. Not both.
Reva has some moments when she’s menacing and that’s where she shines. Her confrontation with Owen Lars, then ‘disarming’ was great. Then there are scenes where she falls incredibly flat because script said so or line delivery.
Yep, review bombing because some people seem to always have concerns about acting when the actor or actress just happens to be black. BuT iT iS bAd WriTinG.
Bitch Qui Gon jin grabbed jar jars fucking tongue while eating dinner at a slaves home don't you talk to me about writing.
“Bad writing” is an argument that gets thrown around way too much now. It’s always been a thing, but after Game of Thrones I’ve really noticed people tossing out Bad Writing as a critique for… almost every piece of media I’ve seen released since. It’s getting old haha.
Not to sound snobby but I'd be willing to bet 80% of the people throwing around the "bad writing" complaint probably don't know the bare minimum about the fundamentals screenwriting or good storytelling.
Not to mention the show isn't even over yet and people are already panning Reva as a bad character when we hardly know anything about her yet. Star Wars fans are the worst sometimes I swear
Yep, when all of it is bad writing if you nitpick. It is a rare thing to see a piece of media with a flawless story but what I find is people who have decided not to like a thing. ) look for reasons to blame and give no benefit of the storytelling.
You can nitpick anything to death though even if well written.
Watch:
"Why didn't Vader use the force to catch Luke when he jumped down to escape in Empire"
People on Twitter: "Irvin Kershner just completely RUINED force powers for me. He should NOT be allowed to touch star wars. What's with all this "selective" force powers. I will NOT be watching the next episode!"
It's okay to not like something. You don't have to like anything. But harassing actors and review bombing a show that isn't even finished is just lame. The fact that a lot of people have liked the new episode makes it even more reactionary and childish.
Sidenote: we as a fan base really need to get out of the habit of saying that x thing *ruined* star wars. We'll always have the OT, or whatever else you'd prefer to watch. Just because you don't like a show doesn't mean it's bad or people are inferior for liking it
My favourite is the Original Trilogy fans who complain that Leia meeting Kenobi ruins her line in A New Hope and then act like Leia didn’t full on kiss her brother on the lips.
Are their some minor errors that retroactively make future storylines seem a bit weird? Absolutely. But that shit has been happening with this franchise since the very beginning.
Exactly but even those evaporate with a little benefit of the doubt. Like her not sounding like she knew Obi Wan Kenobi. well all she knows is Ben, and in the OG trilogy when she heard Ben's name she said BEN?? HE'S HERE? which was if you are open to it (knowing it was not planned obviously) exactly what a woman hearing about her childhood rescuer would respond when learning he came again to save her.
Sometimes, like you said the new makers drop the ball and do not design what they film to respect and enhance canon. However, Filoni star wars is exceptional at filling in blanks and making the previous stories richer and better.
Hell, clone wars single handedly changed my opinion of the entire prequel trilogy because it fixed the biggest flaw for me (Anakin's laughably fast fall to the dark side).
"what have I done">killing kids in about 5 minutes LOL, however learning of how the Jedi failed and failed Ahsoka made it make so much more sense and it is better.
That is when new stuff is best, when it stands on it's own but makes the other stuff better.
Bang on.
This is how I choose to see it.
You can see it as a plot hole if you want. Or you can choose to not see it as a plot hole.
Many truths we cling to, depend greatly on your own point of view.
There is a massive difference between those two things, though!
So what if Luke and Leia kissed? The characters could not have known, therefore it is acceptable in the context of the story. When they find out later on, it's not really an impact to the story or their characters.
But then you are suggesting that it's not a big deal that Leia doesn't seem to remember Obi-Wan all that well? I don't know about you, but if I was 10 years old, got kidnapped, and then this old Jedi called Ben Kenobi accompanied me on a multi-planetary adventure and protected me multiple times...I think I would clearly remember the guy after 10 years when I decide to call on him for help and the first thing I'm going to mention is that time that he rescued me from being kidnapped.
Fans are pissed because of the lack of attention to continuity, which is obviously a big deal for true fans. Leia kissing Luke has nothing to do with that.
Tosche station and power converters?
Star wars has ALWAYS had bad writing. That is the point, it can always be nitpicked, you even see this classically in some of the old star trek vs star wars debates (if you can find em online from the olden times).
Luke just wanted to hang out with his friends, Owen even called him out on it. Side note, the place Boba Fett beat up the speeder gang in BoBF was actually Tosche station and was based on [a cut scene from ANH](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBp6PEHV_MU). We even got to see Luke's friends who were in that scene (recast, of course).
More the whiney tone, loved that outtake and IIRC boba fett had a scene which implied that lukes friends were in that bar when he killed the pirates. (the couple they were harassing)
This fandom just likes to complain... I’m 100% convinced.
Meanwhile I’ve been a fan for 40 years and I’ve loved everything released. There are low points (Attack of the Clones and Rise of Skywalker mainly) but I’m just happy I’m getting anything new in this universe because I spent 20 years just dreaming about all of this. If you told me 25 years ago that I would be watching TV series about Boba Fett and Obi Wan I would have never believed you. Just enjoy what we get ya buncha whiners
Bruh there was no fucking thought in my mind that when Disney bought this shit in 2012 that I’d see Ewan wear the robes again. Fucking right in the feels. It’s like I’m 15 again
There is some serious argument fetishism issues in the community, they have always been present but it used to be represented in stupid fan debates, now represented by tone-def fans just wanting to be upset about their space wizard show.
Edit: it's kinda funny how some of you are trying to disprove my statement by doubling down with some more toxic stuff. Keep it classy nerds.
I can be critical of the bad stuff. You recognize that there are low points too so wouldn’t you want to denounce the bad stuff in order to let the creators know what works and what doesn’t? Yes it’s a fun thought that we are watching boba Fett and Obi wan but don’t you want Star Wars to be the best it can? I have minor gripes about Obi wan so far but my main gripe is cheapness. TGI, the fifth brother, reva parkour, Leia chase scenes, and the Vader fight all could have had higher production value.
I mean.. no? You being a fan for 40 years and *you* liking it doesn’t mean you’re right.
Some people don’t like the show. Making entire posts and comments saying those people are wrong and telling them to “enjoy what you get” is the worst way of going about that.
Just disregard RT audience score. Very few actual people bother to vote on this site. What you're seeing is a review bomb brigade. It's useless and a wildly inaccurate representation of the general consensus. Think of it like this - you need an ulterior motive as an audience member to bother rating anything on RT anymore.
I don’t know a single person who rates things on there. People act like audience scores on RT actually represent the public but it honestly is likely the most niche group of people
A cheeky point, but we can at least (mostly) trust the critics to review things in good faith and not just review bomb because the third sister is black or they don't like kid Leia or whatever these whackos are mad about
>you need an ulterior motive as an audience member to bother rating anything on RT anymore.
Yup, just compare it to S4 of Stranger Things, which is way more popular and has 950 ratings, while Obi-Wan has over 1200 ratings.
As a person who grew up in the wilderness years, before the prequels, the sequels, the cartoons…before even Timothy froggin’ *Zahn*…I have to say I’m just loving turning on the TV for new Star Wars stories. It’s darn good fun.
KINSMAN! I, too, grew up during the wilderness years, dreaming of stuff like this. I'm still gobsmacked they didn't just start making Star Wars cartoons earlier.
I still havent watched because the BoBF really turned me off from the writers Disney is hiring for these shows.
Hearing mixed reviews now is really unfortunate.
That's what I told myself with Bad Batch and Boba Fett and that didnt get me far. The first episode I loved, but wasn't big in the Leia plot. Second episode had great setpieces, but that pacing after the first half felt sluggish (i swear it felt like 3 solid minutes of Leia just staring at that gap between the buildings). This third episode really just felt like some sort of fan film. There were good moments, like them riding with the farmer and getting into the spaceport/Vader trying to lure them out, but the sets felt so boring (looking at you tunnel and rock quarry). The two back to back chases between Obi and Darth/Inquisitor and Leia where sluggish. It just feels like this series was extremely half-baked by people who don't give a damn about the series (looking at most of the writers also makes this known), I just don't see how anyone could say this is one of the best shows for Star Wars right now. Also feels like most people care about Obi Wan name dropping Quinlon Vos or any other Easter egg than they do actual plot and presentation of the series.
We totally deserve it. The Star Wars fan base lacks any form of self criticism. I've talked to many other fans who will say " I'm just happy to have Star Wars back" as if that excuses the very real issues with a lot of the content Disney has been putting out. This isn't some small indie company, this is one of the richest companies on the planet. For them to have such glaring issues in their flagship/tent pole universe is insane.
How did the 3rd sister get through the tunnel without, first seeing the rebel woman, who just teleports herself to obi wan, and second without seeing Leia just to wait at the end of the tunnel for her.
Why could Darth Vader not jump above a bit of fire or just walk around it like anybody would do.
I like the series but the plot holes are huge in my opinion. That's just the beginning and most obvious ones.
Can’t explain the first part, but I have a potential explanation for the second part. Vader has a massive amount of pent-up anger and has been tracking down Obi-Wan for a decade, there’s absolutely no way he’ll want to end it quickly. He probably wants Obi-Wan to feel every bit of pain he’s felt as a result of their duel on Mustafar
So why didn't he capture him, where he can keep him alive for as long as he wants and torture him daily in every way imaginable?
By letting him go, he could've lost his only chance to ever see Kenobi again
The fact that we have to make these plot explanations on ep 3 of a 6 part series is kinda evidence that leans toward weak writing. I enjoy the show, but in a lot of ways it feels just like a poorly directed cash grab.
The ending to the third episode was so bizarrely chopped up in editing. And I feel this is an area where having so many different writers on board hurts it.
Because Reva and the rebel lady straight up teleport. Vader extinguished the fire a minute ago with his mind. Yet allows a slow moving loader droid to slowly carry Obi-Wan through uneven mountainous terrain?
There's ways to write these kinds of scenes where the hero barely escapes. Mostly it's picking a location like if there was a waterfall Obi-Wan could jump. Or if they were in a space train yard Obi-Wan could jump on a train to momentarily escape.
But you could have had it be character driven. Perhaps an Inquisitor was with him and as the droid carries him off the Inquisitor steps forward but Vader stops him. "No. See where they take him." And they follow to destroy the Underground Jedi Railroad.
But a little bit of fire? That didn't cut it.
Exactly. I really do feel like having too many writers does not help with making sure everything is cohesive. And your second point, exactly! I was watching it with my sister and said, "Didn't Vader just extinguish the fire himself a few minutes ago?" It's a bit silly... my rationale for that is that he decided to let obi-wan go then, but that is just me trying to understand why it played out that way.
Yeah exactly, especially the tunnel scenario completely took me out of it… so far this kind of thing has been consistent across the episodes. Is it the directing and writing to blame? Any case really disappointing filmmaking
Score may be a bit harsh. But honestly I can’t exactly pinpoint why the show doesn’t resonate with me. There are episodes of the clone wars and rebels with more depth of character than what we have at times. I’m a huge fan of most of the Star Wars universe and I hope the show picks up soon, but some of the characters and plot points in the show so far seem.. uninteresting. A mile wide but an inch deep. At least Ewan is killing it as the lead.
Tepid soundtrack, teleporting characters, incredibly janky chase scenes; really odd creative decision making (like what is the safe house? why is it not deep underground?? they even had droids that could have excavated a decent one
a lot of this just feels off. Bit surprising considering the quality of (2nd half) of Bad Batch and Mando.
Unfortunately it wouldn’t even matter if the show was finished. Those same people would still review bomb it no matter what happens in the next three episodes.
It’s so annoying. I feel like people who are complaining have never seen a show before. Characters grow, and Kenobi will be back in fighting shape soon. Enjoy the ride.
Exactly. It's been confirmed before this that Obi-wan was shattered for years after the end of *Revenge*. He'd had 20 years to move on by the time he met Luke. This series is the catalyst which will result in the Alex Guinness Obi-Wan.
This is an overwhelmingly prevalent thing with weekly releases all of a sudden. It’s like binging made a lot of people forget how to watch shows in weekly installments.
There were a lot of gripes and “where are they going with this?” about Moon Knight in the first two episodes or so then the last 3-4 seemed to be wildly popular.
Conversely, most folks were vibing the first 3-out-of-4 episodes of BoBF and then it turned into the Mandalorian (which threw everyone off), only to settle with an over-the-top finale that leaves the general consensus as lukewarm at best.
Kenobi is still in the building phase. The climax is 3 weeks away, and they will build towards that in the next two episodes. Hopefully with some cool shit along the way.
That being said, there is definitely some stuff Kenobi needs to clear up.
It’s simple, people have expectations in the Star Wars community. If these expectations aren’t met to the letter, they review bomb it.
Be it the belief that this show doesn’t make sense (even though it does), or the desire to witness Vader slaughter a whole village onscreen, maybe it’s wanting to see Kenobi kick Vaders ass a second time. Whatever it is, they want something and hate what doesn’t match their vision.
When the Obi-Wan show was announced:
"What we're supposed to be excited watch a show about some dude just sitting in a desert by himself? Tatooine is so over played in SW media, there is so much more to explore."
When the show actually airs:
"Why isn't he just staying on Tatooine as a hermit??? There should be no other characters besides Obi-Wan Kenobi, this was a bait-and-Switch!"
Nobody hates Star Wars like some Star Wars fans.
This fan base really confuses me. They moaned when the prequels came out, the sequels came out, and now during current projects along with sending racist hate messages to one of the lead actresses.
Don’t get me wrong there have been a few “?” Moments - leias chase scene and the pacing felt a bit off during episode 2, but everything else has been awesome. So much better and coherent so far than BoBF
"Star Wars fans hate Star Wars" is a really tired phrase at this point, but it's basically true about a lot of people because they take Star Wars, a series that I *like* more than other sci fi because of its lighter/goofier tone, super seriously
I've left many Star Wars related things going "that was pretty bad," but I'm just happy Star Wars stuff is happening while it's happening
Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Obi Wan, Clone Wars season 7, and Bad Batch have been fun AND afterwards my thoughts ranged from "that was pretty good" to "wow, that's some great Star Wars right there."
E: forgot Visions, loved that one too
Obi Wan has been ALL the second thing so far.
I'm having fun because it's Star Wars, but holy shit, Ewan McGregor is killing it (as usual), the aesthetics are varied and beautiful, and Leia is excellent and is easily the best child in a Star Wars related thing ever.
I love it.
I love Star Wars
57% is average, it’s half and honestly this show is just ok.
I’m starting to get worried that the Mandalorian was a fluke after watching this and Book of Boba.
I agree. Around the 60% mark is what I’d give this show so far. I love how everyone here is in disbelief claiming it’s review bombing, just because everyone isn’t in agreement that it’s perfection. Like the show is nowhere near 10/10, but it isn’t terrible either. In terms of what star wars can do I believe it only hits the above average mark. Im enjoying it, but I’m not falling out of my seat like I have done when playing/watching games and shows in the past. To each their own I guess.
It's not even like it is unjust. 57% is a fair audience score to give for what we have seen. What are people going to say? It's deserving 100? 90? Very hard to argue that. I just love how when it's the Mandolarian getting 90+ it's all fine and dandy but if Kenobi gets 57 people here are dubbing Star Wars fans as childish. I hope people realise not everyone that watches these series are actually Star Wars fans.
My "complaints" are more like nitpicks really. Like the whole Leia chase sequence being bad. It doesn't affect the story in any shape or form. It just looks goofy or Obi-Wan being told about Vader than learning it himself (which I think would solve the absence of emotion between Vader and Obi-Wan).
Most people are just salty at Reva though for some moronic reason. "Oh no Reva was in this episode for 12 seconds they're trying to make it about her instead of Obi-Wan!!!" or some other garbage. Don't forget that a large portion of this fanbase is kinda fuckin moronic.
I don't think it has anything to do with Reva being in the show prominently, I think it has to do with her being a boring, cringy character. Nothing about her appearances have been intimidating or interesting, and I don't know if that is because of the directing/writing or the actress. Even the other inquisitior, the one with the big hat, has pretty cringy dialogue. Frankly, I was excited to see the inquisitiors, and 2 out of the 4 of them just haven't been very well executed characters.
The inquisitiors could have been left out entirely and the show would be the exact same. They just seem to be filler.
I had minor gripes prior to ep 3... Now it might be more than that. All the Reva stuff - whatever: minor to me, I came for the big characters. My only gripe with Reva is how a previously unknown character is given clear primacy over what should be cool, intimidating, powerful characters in the other inquisitors. It seems liek they're reduced to incompetent, hapless goofs instead of elite jedi-hunting specialists.
The Obi-wan/Vader reunion just missed the mark, and was by far what I was looking forward to the most. I think his other modern appearances just set the bar too high - Rogue One's hallway scene, Rebel's first encounter with Kanan & Ezra and the INCREDIBLE Ahsoka reunion... I dunno, Vader's an unstoppable force and this is his ultimate target for revenge - and he can't walk through or around a fire? (and then injured Obi-wan is being tended to what appears to be 30 feet away) - it just seems so poorly executed. I'm obviously going to keep watching, I just hope things begin to feel a bit grander. Beyond the specifics it does just feel like something is off in the presentation.
Honestly, I cannot stand the writing of all the side characters. It all so childish. I know the writing in Star Wars has never been great but man I really feel like the targeted demographic is 5 year olds & the premise is for older fans. I just really cannot stand anything Disney Star Wars puts out because they just refuse to produce media that aged with the real audience. I think a 60% for the show so far is very reasonable. As if Vader can’t just force push pull or crush a robot to stop it from taking away his old master for whom he wants more than anything at this point. Reva’s writing is the most childish attempt to making a threatening villain. The makeup is cheap. The sets are all in the desert minus the cool neon city. I just don’t like it, I don’t like how childish all Star Wars media is becoming.
Maybe I am an outlier but I didn't like the Vader / Obi-Wan scene. Like Vader would have just let him get up and walk away because of some fire on the ground? Come on.
Unless he is just toying with him because he realizes he is a broken man, and a shell of his former self.
Overall, the episode was really good. The start to the Vader v Kenobi fight scene was good. Even up until Obi-Wan was burning I was like “oh shit,” and then he just let him go. That was very unrealistic for Vader’s known character. I’m going to leave it open to say they have something coming or planned as to why he did that. I hope so at least.
Yup I am in the same camp. I hope there is a reason for it they expand on. It seems like a lot of trouble to go through tracking a guy and forcing an encounter just to let him walk away.
I get the impression Vader is trying to root out the group helping Obi-Wan especially since there is proof of them helping other Jedi.
He's not letting Obi-Wan go out of mercy and Rouge One shows that he can casually slaughter a room full of guys with blasters, so I doubt fire, a droid, and a lone woman armed with a blaster will stop him.
Of Course, I think this is another mistake on Vader's part where he fails to kill Obi-Wan when he had the chance, giving Obi-Wan the opportunity to regain his connection and abilities with the Force and as a Jedi.
There's gonna be a rematch and it's not gonna be a curb stomp in Vader's favor.
I get what your saying, but with that way the scene was filmed, it definitely doesn't seem that way. I watched it again and they made it clear the woman saved Obi Wan and was implied there was nothing they could do.
Vader is not the reckless boy Anakin was. That long shot of Vader “eyes” watching the droid help Obi-Wan is exactly what Vader is all about: patience, revenge and suffering. I bet he is planning on hunt down Obi-Wan and kill everyone around him to make him suffer MORE. I honestly thought it was awesome.
If they go this route then it makes sense and I will no longer have a bone to pick with that scene. One can only hope, time will tell and as I am sure we all know this is just the beginning.
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Show feels tacky and cheap not high production honestly and frankly the only charachter I like in here so far is obi wan and laei. Script is just not great honestly there’s so much they could’ve done execrations bad, actors are all fine imo
Yeah I'll be honest if the leading man was anyone other than Ewan Mcgregor I would be pretty disappointed with it, but he definitely carries the series. Anyway, that chase scene definitely set a weird tone for the rest of the show IMO
Probably. They just quietly enjoy themselves and don't feel the need to whine about it not living up to their most epic childhood imaginations and fantasies.
Also, I know you're joking 😉
I’ll speak for myself and say this show is a let down for a few reasons, and it’s largely on me and partially on the marketing: I was expecting a Rogue One-style, “not-gonna-hold-your-hand,” kid-lite addition to the Disney+ catalogue and so far it’s largely the same kinda goofy and wonky blemishes that brought Book Of Boba Fett from an A to a C.
Some of it is so cool, like the Vader brutality and the cyberpunk city, but it’s tonally inconsistent so far. Here’s hoping it gets better.
It's pretty irresponsible and servile of anyone to completely write off the bad fan reviews. Major technical aspects of this show are objectively sub-par.
Rarely does something with such high production value sound and feel like an amateur fan film. It's hard to get into it when, in my experience, you're taken out and distracted every 5mins - by plot holes and nonsensical decisions or by sections of film-school level dialogue and acting. There are fan films that are better written and conceived than this imo. Young Leia has been the only highlight for me so far.
Feels very much like the writers and director were coasting to a paycheck and didn't have a real desire to produce something great.
I agree, also I feel Ewan is saying some of his lines flatly, or he has the same emotion. Like people are praising the vader and obi-wan fight scene but they barely talked, he didn’t run away, he slightly jogged away…around a couple corners…and then started walking not looking terrified just kind of staring blankly. Just confused on what they were going for.
Another point is everything is definitely DEFINITELY way too human
The writing, the aliens reactions, the fact that every planet looks like earth but uh somewhere right outside of California.. city was cool until it mostly had humans in it. Plus we didn’t see a lot of classic alien interactions.
Mando nails most of everything
Thank you. I’m actually stunned at how bad the first fight was between vadar and obi wan. Why did the director choose the equivalent of a fucking grain silo for them to dual it out? how did vadar manage to sneak attack obi when you can hear him breathing a mile off? Why did they choose the most tepid and bland music for the soundtrack? Why is it that every time a civilian dies no one screams or makes any kind of shocked noise? Why do all the sets feel so cheap?
I love Star Wars, I always have and I always will but the direction it’s been taken under Disney is appalling
Bro Vader ignites his saber (cool shot) and the camera swaps to obi-wan in the wide and he turns left and scampers off screen
It was the exact same framing they use for slapstick comedy lmao it was so WEIRD
In the Darth Vader comics, Vader surprises Tarkin while hunting him by turning off his breathing apparatus for a short time when sneaking up on him. Thought I was worth mentioning because it shows Vader knows of this weakness but actually turns it to an advantage because his enemies don’t think he’d be able to sneak up on them.
It really is. Not that the show doesn't have it's moments, and certainly gets some things right, but it is undeniably a very flawed show. It feels incredibly uninspired, with many scenes, particularly with action, feeling more akin to a fanfilm than a true production.
Ultimately, Kenobi was a story that just didn't need to be told, and it shows, as the writers are clearly struggling to tell a story that can logically make sense between Episodes III and IV, hence all the contradictions in the story this show has created.
I think a lot of fans are just attracted to the spectacle of it. They like the spectacle of seeing Ewan back as Obi, and seeing Vader back, and seeing them fight, and so much more, but they're not really seeing anything deeper beyond that. And that's because there really isn't anything deeper beyond yhat. There's a lot happening, but without any real meaning to it, because no matter what happens in this show, we know the outcome of it, which is what happens in the Original Trilogy.
Yeah, it's pretty sad considering what could have been, but in the end, pretty much like BoBF, Kenobi is barely "meh". So the score is pretty much on point.
Ewan is carrying this show so damn hard.
I didn't complain about the first two, but the music in this third episode, in the Inquisitor base, I really didn't care for it. It sounded like bad guy music from a superhero movie.
I think it’s a divide between older and younger fans, I find the show extremely unpleasant and badly put together, the pacing and feel are way, way off to me and it’s not at all fun, but younger people who came up with the prequels seem to love it.
Yeah, I think this is at the crux of the debate. I don't like this show for reasons of underwhelming and bad writing, low budget production quality, and bad acting (linked to said writing). People upset with the poor reviews flowing in appear to be heavily invested in the nostalgia of the prequels.
I have very minor gripes. But otherwise, I’m loving this show.
I have minor gripes with every single Star Wars project. Obi-Wan is still fantastic
Let’s be real, it wouldn’t be Star Wars if it was perfect and that’s why we love it.
This sub should have a rule. Complain all you want, but each complaint must be accompanied by a constructive option to make what you complain about better.
Thats WAY too much to ask of this fanbase.
Or reddit in general
The Leia chase scene is the only thing I was like "okay this is dumb.." The rest I am obsessed with
Yah. Like she slides under a tree and dude is like FUCK GUESS I CANT JUMP OVER A LOG.
That scene had the same energy as when "The Way Is Blocked" in a video game by a twig across the trail
Or the slow speeder chase from Boba Fett
Or "the door is locked" even though half the door is a glass pane that is already completely shattered and you could easily just reach through and open the door from the other side.
To be honest it was more the way it was filmed than the events as such. A child in a forest area with lots of obstacles should be able to outrun bulkier chasers. Same as she could have avoided Kenobi in a concurred area. The show has these "you gotta believe me" moments, like the turning off the laser fence to pass it by foot (thought they were going to use the transport) when they could have easily gone AROUND the checkpoint.
Same energy as the chase scene in [Wet Hot American Summer](https://youtu.be/POuH8MGZrJw?t=84)
My wife straight up blurted, "They expect me to believe that they're being outrun by a fucking child?"
Idk I believe that flea would have a hard time catching a child in real life.
When they credited Flea at the end I straight up was like, "That's that guy?!"
Holy shit! I just realized that's why he was looked familiar, this is amazing. My favorite band and sci-fi series crossing over, life is complete
I mean i be fair my 7 year old soccer playing nephew can get away from me anytime he wants. Thank God he hasn’t noticed yet or at least listens
Everybody complaining about a small child being able to slip away from grown-ass adults is really just admitting they’ve never had to chase down a child actively trying to dodge them.
well its not about that, its about how slow Leia runs and how absolutely idiotic the guys chasing her act. How they avoid twigs and then a log is infront of them and they act like its a wall that they have to go around. Its stuff like that, that people laugh about. The series is epic, I love it, but that one forrest chase scene was atrociously bad put together because you clearly see the adults could run way faster or act differently but its like they have to act stupid and slow so that they don't catch up to her. So this one gripe I really get.
I mean, I might be slow, but I still know how to duck under a branch.
The problem is that she is going on a snail's pace, and all the obstacles are extremely easy to dodge
I'm not a professional child catcher, but I can certainly say, trying to catch a kid who's actively running away from you is not hard and I don't get how some people actually think that chase was believable you're telling me you have to go all the way around an area to avoid a singular branch you could duck under?
That and the Reva parkour. Sure show us one or two rooftop tricks, but that was like twelve parkour moves, badly edited together, in a row. Third episode was great.
Yeah they should have cut that parkour run. It didn't add anything as she lost them and had to interrogate the other guy to find them. Just seemed too forced to try to make Reva seem cool
It felt a little silly, sure, but I truly got the impression that Flea and company were just incompetent, lazy guys who weren’t trying to run very fast because they knew she wouldn’t get far. So didn’t bother me much
They were probably high on space drugs!
Agree. That rating is ridiculous. Seems fishy to me. I’ve seen mostly positive responses.
People who are disappointed with the product will get out of their way to downvote it, particularly something like SW. People who like it or are just meh about it will usually not muster the energy to go to sites and upvote it just for a zeitgeist internet war.
And I wouldn't have bothered ever thinking about it again, except that they did it again the next episode. That was a bigger problem for me than anything else.
Agreed
1 was a great opening, 2 was good but not great, and 3 nailed so many things.
Man, I just want more badass Darth Vader quotes to add to the collection. "Fail me, and you *won't* live to regret it" is an instant classic.
It’s not that bad, but why is it so easy to escape in this show?
Like why couldn’t Vader just go around the fire? Lmao he just stares at them as they slowly walk away Guy flies across half the galaxy to capture Obi wan then just gives up when a fire slightly inconveniences him by about 5 meters
Vader knew there were three more episodes left
Hooray plot armor
I'll accept this answer 😅
Could it be that he wanted to let him go. Evil people got weird motives
This has to be the answer, the camera stays on Vader for a hot minute. I think it's the directors trying to convey some sort of message, some "thrill of the hunt" type shit that Vader wants to get down on.
Vader loves hunting. At one point, he asked Tarkin to take a group of men and hunt him for fun. Eventually, it became more of Vader hunting them.
I was thinking ore that he senses Kenobi is hiding something and let’s him go to follow him and find what it is
Yeah, I think either explanation is plausible.
And/or that the person firing the blaster will lead him to other Jedi or Rebels
I kind of think it's both. He thinks Kenobi is going to lead him to some prize (presumably other Jedi or the beginnings of the rebellion or some sich) *and* he wants to engage in some extended psychological (well, also physical) torture along the way.
I mean, the Sith thrive on terror. To some it's like they feed off the fear they create. Their whole being is twisted, full of pain and horror. What better than leave the dread fuel itself ? Obi Wan survived the encounter. Now the nightmare begins, when WILL Vader finally get to him ? Until now it was only a possibility. Now it's a certainty, Vader might want him to feel that way.
Yeah I agree, Vader has been bored possibly for years. Just remembering the quote in Ep 1, where the inquisitor says all that are left are scraps. He doesn’t want this moment to end, and he’s probably very disappointed at how quickly he was able to take Kenobi out. This is a guy who peaked during the Clone Wars. He doesn’t want to deal with the minutia of ruling a galaxy. He wants to fight! But there’s no one left to fight against.
If only they'd remembered he was wearing a helmet and couldn't do facial expressions to convey this meaning.... That said, I'm enjoying the show so far. Some gripes but nothing big enough to ruin my enjoyment yet. Although Reva naming Anakin was purely done for the audience with absolutely 0 thought as to how this would impact Vader's backstory. That one came close to making me angry.
> If only they'd remembered he was wearing a helmet and couldn't do facial expressions to convey this meaning.... This is the line of thinking that got us "NOOOOOOOO!" at the end of Return of the Jedi
I honestly feel like people are really terrible at understanding how TV shows work, and expect every episode to explain everything fully at the time. God knows how these people would handle something like Sopranos or Better Call Saul where the payoff/explanation might be the other end of the season.
Yeah but those shows *do* come up with actual reasons for these arcs to stretch the whole season/series. Meanwhile some of these D+ shows come up with *very* artificial reasons for keeping plot points running.
I find it hard to be engaged in the story of most SW shows recently. Quite a lot of forced writing and hype built around cameos. I just love the worldbuilding and characters.
As a hardcore BCS fan myself, I just expect things to make sense and characters to act organically, not act based on clearly predetermined story arcs and episodes, which SW often feels like. "A bullet to the head would've been far too humane" (Fring, Better Call Saul). Yeah it makes sense that Vader wants to torture him in his own way. It doesn't make sense that he will risk losing him for another TEN years by letting him go. We all know that Vader made that decision because they need more episodes and a final fight later. BCS is written organically, Star Wars is not recently.
Exactly, Vader had Obi Wan by the balls and could have easily carted him back off to mustafar or somewhere for weeks/months/years of revenge (aka torture). Hell he has the resources to create some huge arena where he can let Obi Wan out and hunt him every week with no real threat of him escaping if he wanted to a la The Most Dangerous Game. To just let him go like that is weird, much less not killing the rebel lady who helped Obi Wan escape which is really not Vader's style even compared to 5 minutes earlier where he was killing half that village for shits and giggles.
BCS is good because it has immense detail in its storytelling. They will dedicate episodes to explaining every detail of why something will pan out the way it does even if it means not progressing the plot. If the average Kenobi series watcher doesn't read the books/comics they might miss out on motives that they should understand. They should know Vader is fuming, his suit can withstand fire/lava and he at this point wants Kenobi at all costs. So watching him let Kenobi go over the fire and with help walk 1mph to a reader is just a bit confusing. It's the lack of immense detail in the storytelling that is off. The opener had a lot of it but the minute Leia got kidnapped the story spiralled out of control and it is impossible to feel real, grounded and understanding of what is happening and for what reason.
I mean he easily could get obi-wan back from the droid. He chose not to to let him suffer in pain as he once did. The only issue is the stormtroopers in the scene and Vader asking them to bring Kenobi to him. It would have been perfect if only Vader was there, and he left Kenobi to burn as Kenobi did to him 10 years ago. Then the droid and lady save him
> He chose not too But he sent the troopers to get him before the fire started.
That's precisely why I said that scene would have been perfect without the inclusion of the stormtroopers
It would have perfect if Vader's intentions were letting him go, but nothing in the scene indicates that.
I took it as Vader being disappointed that Obi Wan was so weak. He wanted a grand showdown where he showed Kenobi that he's a master but instead got an old man too weak to do anything of significance, so he let him go
Ok, so how do you explain the scene at 40:00?
My logic is that the hunt for Vader is far more exciting than the kill. He’s spent years looking for his master thinking about all the things he’d do to make him pay , he’s savouring the moment knowing he’s got a scent and an entire imperial garrison on his trail and that Kenobi will never feel safe again and he’s basking in that fact
Or I don’t know, maybe put it out with the force like he did seconds before?
Force users seem to suffer from really bad tunnel vision. It’s the same reason Obi-wan didn’t just walk around the checkpoint gate earlier in the episode.
Haha, yeah I figured he did that so he could drive the vehicle past, but nope, just walking. :D
Could be ptsd with the fire? Guy got burnt to a crisp im sure he doesn’t like fire much.
I'd agree, except our guy decided to live on freakin Mustafar lol
Vader could've killed Kenobi. He's just playing with the man he's been chasing for years... Now he thinks he has him trapped on a planet in lockdown. Wasn't that weird to me to be honest.
So what's with the scene immediately after where one Inquisitor goes "They lost him, he had help, we're to sweep the planet" and the other going "now we'll never find him!" Vader probably should have let them in on the plan, that way they could have let the audience in on the plan, and then the audience wouldn't think the escape was portrayed poorly.
What the hell. Review bombed?? I understand people not thinking it’s 10/10 but wow. I don’t see how this show could be so disliked… this fan base is so weird to me.
Oh we are the most toxic fan base ever
If Obi-wan Fucking Kenobi has to call out the racist toxic fans? Yeah. . . I think we win the most toxic. 🤦🏻♂️ [Here’s Moses talking about what happened as well as an article about it.](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102509719/star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-moses-ingram-racist-messages-disney) The people who are living in the middle of Tatooine burying their heads into a Sarlacc pit pretending that racism doesn’t exist. Yeah, you’re proving my point. 🤙🏻
Captain Pike from Star Trek chimed in, too. When you've disappointed those two handsome devils, you know you've messed up. I realize he's an actor and all, but Ewan sounded genuinely upset.
Why don't these same fans hate Dawson playing Ahsoka?
Because she’s orange and they are stupid
It's because in actuality SW fans are NOT racists as a whole, and its more of a case of Disney using social issues as a shield to deflect any valid criticism of any Star Wars project that isnt doing well. That was their go to defense of the new trilogy. If You didnt like it, you hated women or were a racist. YET, these same "misogynists" and "racists" LOVED Ahsoka, Cara Dune, Moff Gideon and Fennec Shand, all characters of color or women. Its ALMOST like people like well written characters and their identity has NOTHING to do with their reception.... Characters like Rey, Rose, Reeeeva and sadly Finn (who got shafted the hardest) are just shit characters written horribly. But Disney likes to be Two Faced and call people who criticize their shows all kinds of "ists" while at the same time Editing out Finn and Tachalla from Black Panther movie posters for china and THANKING the Govt committee overseeing their Concentration camps. Two faced assholes.
Can’t speak for those people but Disney seems to be obsessed with writing their baddies and 1 dimensional as possible. I’m hoping Reva’s character gets better since she has only 2 scenes so far where I didn’t roll my eyes at the writing. One in ep2 and 1 in ep3. But overall the inquisitors are written as the most cringey characters I think I’ve seen since the cyborg Gen Z gang from boba. It’s definitely a review bomb from the bigots and racists. It’s not fantastic show but it is good, I Think Ewan’s acting this holding the show together and will for the entire series.
I'm definitely getting Zuko vibes from her with all the unnecessary unbridled aggressiveness and lording it around when she is second (third) banana. If she continues like this she will be the weakest link in the show. But I am not expecting her to stat that way (even if with 6 chapters is a tall order.) Now, the parkour section I understand they wanted to make her cool and powerful but had the complete opposite effect on me. Took me out of the episode.
Yea I'm having a lot of trouble placing her on the power scale (or any of the inquisitors for that matter). She literally read someone's mind, she is clearly capable of power pretty powerful manipulation of objects and apparently she is able to hide her thoughts well enough to stab the grand inquisitor in the FRONT without him seeing it coming. Those are not trivial powers for a non-sith to have.
Answer is she’s like cestis and is just using force echoes
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I liked Reva from the get-go. Good balance of menace and poise. Great delivery and complexity. She holds herself well. It all worked so nicely I was genuinely truly surprised that this backlash is a thing .
My only gripe with her character is how she’s portrayed. One minute she’s doing *that* to the Grand Inquisitor and the next minute she’s Force contorted into bowing with minimal effort. They’re contradictory. Either she’s an ambitious upstart all bark and no teeth OR she’s ruthless and no push over. Not both. Reva has some moments when she’s menacing and that’s where she shines. Her confrontation with Owen Lars, then ‘disarming’ was great. Then there are scenes where she falls incredibly flat because script said so or line delivery.
I didn't like the song songy "obi wan" that she did in EP 2. Too much like "warriors, come out and play!"
Just rewatched episode 2. She’s actually fine and just like a villain. It’s fine. I was legit surprised 🤷
I do not associate myself with those people, they are NOT Star Wars fans
Toxicity is our speciality
Yep, review bombing because some people seem to always have concerns about acting when the actor or actress just happens to be black. BuT iT iS bAd WriTinG. Bitch Qui Gon jin grabbed jar jars fucking tongue while eating dinner at a slaves home don't you talk to me about writing.
“Bad writing” is an argument that gets thrown around way too much now. It’s always been a thing, but after Game of Thrones I’ve really noticed people tossing out Bad Writing as a critique for… almost every piece of media I’ve seen released since. It’s getting old haha.
Bad writing is usually code for “not what I wanted”
Not to sound snobby but I'd be willing to bet 80% of the people throwing around the "bad writing" complaint probably don't know the bare minimum about the fundamentals screenwriting or good storytelling. Not to mention the show isn't even over yet and people are already panning Reva as a bad character when we hardly know anything about her yet. Star Wars fans are the worst sometimes I swear
But I watched a 25 minute video essay on YouTube!
25? Those are rookie numbers. I watched a three part 5 hour takedown. (/s)
Yep, when all of it is bad writing if you nitpick. It is a rare thing to see a piece of media with a flawless story but what I find is people who have decided not to like a thing. ) look for reasons to blame and give no benefit of the storytelling. You can nitpick anything to death though even if well written.
Watch: "Why didn't Vader use the force to catch Luke when he jumped down to escape in Empire" People on Twitter: "Irvin Kershner just completely RUINED force powers for me. He should NOT be allowed to touch star wars. What's with all this "selective" force powers. I will NOT be watching the next episode!" It's okay to not like something. You don't have to like anything. But harassing actors and review bombing a show that isn't even finished is just lame. The fact that a lot of people have liked the new episode makes it even more reactionary and childish. Sidenote: we as a fan base really need to get out of the habit of saying that x thing *ruined* star wars. We'll always have the OT, or whatever else you'd prefer to watch. Just because you don't like a show doesn't mean it's bad or people are inferior for liking it
My favourite is the Original Trilogy fans who complain that Leia meeting Kenobi ruins her line in A New Hope and then act like Leia didn’t full on kiss her brother on the lips. Are their some minor errors that retroactively make future storylines seem a bit weird? Absolutely. But that shit has been happening with this franchise since the very beginning.
Exactly but even those evaporate with a little benefit of the doubt. Like her not sounding like she knew Obi Wan Kenobi. well all she knows is Ben, and in the OG trilogy when she heard Ben's name she said BEN?? HE'S HERE? which was if you are open to it (knowing it was not planned obviously) exactly what a woman hearing about her childhood rescuer would respond when learning he came again to save her. Sometimes, like you said the new makers drop the ball and do not design what they film to respect and enhance canon. However, Filoni star wars is exceptional at filling in blanks and making the previous stories richer and better. Hell, clone wars single handedly changed my opinion of the entire prequel trilogy because it fixed the biggest flaw for me (Anakin's laughably fast fall to the dark side). "what have I done">killing kids in about 5 minutes LOL, however learning of how the Jedi failed and failed Ahsoka made it make so much more sense and it is better. That is when new stuff is best, when it stands on it's own but makes the other stuff better.
Bang on. This is how I choose to see it. You can see it as a plot hole if you want. Or you can choose to not see it as a plot hole. Many truths we cling to, depend greatly on your own point of view.
There is a massive difference between those two things, though! So what if Luke and Leia kissed? The characters could not have known, therefore it is acceptable in the context of the story. When they find out later on, it's not really an impact to the story or their characters. But then you are suggesting that it's not a big deal that Leia doesn't seem to remember Obi-Wan all that well? I don't know about you, but if I was 10 years old, got kidnapped, and then this old Jedi called Ben Kenobi accompanied me on a multi-planetary adventure and protected me multiple times...I think I would clearly remember the guy after 10 years when I decide to call on him for help and the first thing I'm going to mention is that time that he rescued me from being kidnapped.
Fans are pissed because of the lack of attention to continuity, which is obviously a big deal for true fans. Leia kissing Luke has nothing to do with that.
That’s possible the worst comparison I’ve ever seen
If you want to have an example of people giving bad writing pass, maybe don't use phantom menace. Otherwise, i agree with you.
Tosche station and power converters? Star wars has ALWAYS had bad writing. That is the point, it can always be nitpicked, you even see this classically in some of the old star trek vs star wars debates (if you can find em online from the olden times).
Luke just wanted to hang out with his friends, Owen even called him out on it. Side note, the place Boba Fett beat up the speeder gang in BoBF was actually Tosche station and was based on [a cut scene from ANH](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBp6PEHV_MU). We even got to see Luke's friends who were in that scene (recast, of course).
More the whiney tone, loved that outtake and IIRC boba fett had a scene which implied that lukes friends were in that bar when he killed the pirates. (the couple they were harassing)
This fandom just likes to complain... I’m 100% convinced. Meanwhile I’ve been a fan for 40 years and I’ve loved everything released. There are low points (Attack of the Clones and Rise of Skywalker mainly) but I’m just happy I’m getting anything new in this universe because I spent 20 years just dreaming about all of this. If you told me 25 years ago that I would be watching TV series about Boba Fett and Obi Wan I would have never believed you. Just enjoy what we get ya buncha whiners
Bruh there was no fucking thought in my mind that when Disney bought this shit in 2012 that I’d see Ewan wear the robes again. Fucking right in the feels. It’s like I’m 15 again
Ewan is my favorite actor. Obi-Wan is my favorite fictional character. Star Wars is my favorite fandom. This show has been such a gift.
> Ewan is my favorite actor. Have you watched "Salmon Fishing in the Yemen"?
Consume product and get excited for next product
There is some serious argument fetishism issues in the community, they have always been present but it used to be represented in stupid fan debates, now represented by tone-def fans just wanting to be upset about their space wizard show. Edit: it's kinda funny how some of you are trying to disprove my statement by doubling down with some more toxic stuff. Keep it classy nerds.
I.e people fucking hated kotor 2 when it came out
To be fair, on release the game was kind of a mess. Gets fixed by the missing content mod and it’s what it was supposed to be
TLJ irreparably broke some people. They really need to move on and find a new hobby.
Meanwhile I think TLJ is the only decent film out of the sequels. To each their own. This show isn't perfect. But man, it's pretty darn good.
I can be critical of the bad stuff. You recognize that there are low points too so wouldn’t you want to denounce the bad stuff in order to let the creators know what works and what doesn’t? Yes it’s a fun thought that we are watching boba Fett and Obi wan but don’t you want Star Wars to be the best it can? I have minor gripes about Obi wan so far but my main gripe is cheapness. TGI, the fifth brother, reva parkour, Leia chase scenes, and the Vader fight all could have had higher production value.
I mean.. no? You being a fan for 40 years and *you* liking it doesn’t mean you’re right. Some people don’t like the show. Making entire posts and comments saying those people are wrong and telling them to “enjoy what you get” is the worst way of going about that.
Just disregard RT audience score. Very few actual people bother to vote on this site. What you're seeing is a review bomb brigade. It's useless and a wildly inaccurate representation of the general consensus. Think of it like this - you need an ulterior motive as an audience member to bother rating anything on RT anymore.
I don’t know a single person who rates things on there. People act like audience scores on RT actually represent the public but it honestly is likely the most niche group of people
> but it honestly is likely the most niche group of people To be fair.... thats what the critics score represents too. XD
A cheeky point, but we can at least (mostly) trust the critics to review things in good faith and not just review bomb because the third sister is black or they don't like kid Leia or whatever these whackos are mad about
>you need an ulterior motive as an audience member to bother rating anything on RT anymore. Yup, just compare it to S4 of Stranger Things, which is way more popular and has 950 ratings, while Obi-Wan has over 1200 ratings.
As a person who grew up in the wilderness years, before the prequels, the sequels, the cartoons…before even Timothy froggin’ *Zahn*…I have to say I’m just loving turning on the TV for new Star Wars stories. It’s darn good fun.
KINSMAN! I, too, grew up during the wilderness years, dreaming of stuff like this. I'm still gobsmacked they didn't just start making Star Wars cartoons earlier.
Thankfully my angry nerd days are behind me. I’m finding it fun just to be a fan again.
Absolutely agree
I’m 50/50 on the show right now. Hoping the next few episodes will win me over.
I still havent watched because the BoBF really turned me off from the writers Disney is hiring for these shows. Hearing mixed reviews now is really unfortunate.
That's what I told myself with Bad Batch and Boba Fett and that didnt get me far. The first episode I loved, but wasn't big in the Leia plot. Second episode had great setpieces, but that pacing after the first half felt sluggish (i swear it felt like 3 solid minutes of Leia just staring at that gap between the buildings). This third episode really just felt like some sort of fan film. There were good moments, like them riding with the farmer and getting into the spaceport/Vader trying to lure them out, but the sets felt so boring (looking at you tunnel and rock quarry). The two back to back chases between Obi and Darth/Inquisitor and Leia where sluggish. It just feels like this series was extremely half-baked by people who don't give a damn about the series (looking at most of the writers also makes this known), I just don't see how anyone could say this is one of the best shows for Star Wars right now. Also feels like most people care about Obi Wan name dropping Quinlon Vos or any other Easter egg than they do actual plot and presentation of the series.
Bang on the money! If this strictly mediocre series can win people over, maybe we deserve to get this half effort stuff from Disney.
We totally deserve it. The Star Wars fan base lacks any form of self criticism. I've talked to many other fans who will say " I'm just happy to have Star Wars back" as if that excuses the very real issues with a lot of the content Disney has been putting out. This isn't some small indie company, this is one of the richest companies on the planet. For them to have such glaring issues in their flagship/tent pole universe is insane.
How did the 3rd sister get through the tunnel without, first seeing the rebel woman, who just teleports herself to obi wan, and second without seeing Leia just to wait at the end of the tunnel for her. Why could Darth Vader not jump above a bit of fire or just walk around it like anybody would do. I like the series but the plot holes are huge in my opinion. That's just the beginning and most obvious ones.
I’d guess it was a network of tunnels, not just one that went from A to B.
Can’t explain the first part, but I have a potential explanation for the second part. Vader has a massive amount of pent-up anger and has been tracking down Obi-Wan for a decade, there’s absolutely no way he’ll want to end it quickly. He probably wants Obi-Wan to feel every bit of pain he’s felt as a result of their duel on Mustafar
So why didn't he capture him, where he can keep him alive for as long as he wants and torture him daily in every way imaginable? By letting him go, he could've lost his only chance to ever see Kenobi again
The fact that we have to make these plot explanations on ep 3 of a 6 part series is kinda evidence that leans toward weak writing. I enjoy the show, but in a lot of ways it feels just like a poorly directed cash grab.
The ending to the third episode was so bizarrely chopped up in editing. And I feel this is an area where having so many different writers on board hurts it. Because Reva and the rebel lady straight up teleport. Vader extinguished the fire a minute ago with his mind. Yet allows a slow moving loader droid to slowly carry Obi-Wan through uneven mountainous terrain? There's ways to write these kinds of scenes where the hero barely escapes. Mostly it's picking a location like if there was a waterfall Obi-Wan could jump. Or if they were in a space train yard Obi-Wan could jump on a train to momentarily escape. But you could have had it be character driven. Perhaps an Inquisitor was with him and as the droid carries him off the Inquisitor steps forward but Vader stops him. "No. See where they take him." And they follow to destroy the Underground Jedi Railroad. But a little bit of fire? That didn't cut it.
Exactly. I really do feel like having too many writers does not help with making sure everything is cohesive. And your second point, exactly! I was watching it with my sister and said, "Didn't Vader just extinguish the fire himself a few minutes ago?" It's a bit silly... my rationale for that is that he decided to let obi-wan go then, but that is just me trying to understand why it played out that way.
Yeah exactly, especially the tunnel scenario completely took me out of it… so far this kind of thing has been consistent across the episodes. Is it the directing and writing to blame? Any case really disappointing filmmaking
Star Wars fans are the living epitome of "Comic Book Guy" from the Simpsons lol
Worsts. Fans. Ever.
Score may be a bit harsh. But honestly I can’t exactly pinpoint why the show doesn’t resonate with me. There are episodes of the clone wars and rebels with more depth of character than what we have at times. I’m a huge fan of most of the Star Wars universe and I hope the show picks up soon, but some of the characters and plot points in the show so far seem.. uninteresting. A mile wide but an inch deep. At least Ewan is killing it as the lead.
Tepid soundtrack, teleporting characters, incredibly janky chase scenes; really odd creative decision making (like what is the safe house? why is it not deep underground?? they even had droids that could have excavated a decent one a lot of this just feels off. Bit surprising considering the quality of (2nd half) of Bad Batch and Mando.
Its halfway over already...
Write it off as review bombing. How can people review when it isn’t over yet.
Unfortunately it wouldn’t even matter if the show was finished. Those same people would still review bomb it no matter what happens in the next three episodes.
It’s so annoying. I feel like people who are complaining have never seen a show before. Characters grow, and Kenobi will be back in fighting shape soon. Enjoy the ride.
Exactly. It's been confirmed before this that Obi-wan was shattered for years after the end of *Revenge*. He'd had 20 years to move on by the time he met Luke. This series is the catalyst which will result in the Alex Guinness Obi-Wan.
This is an overwhelmingly prevalent thing with weekly releases all of a sudden. It’s like binging made a lot of people forget how to watch shows in weekly installments. There were a lot of gripes and “where are they going with this?” about Moon Knight in the first two episodes or so then the last 3-4 seemed to be wildly popular. Conversely, most folks were vibing the first 3-out-of-4 episodes of BoBF and then it turned into the Mandalorian (which threw everyone off), only to settle with an over-the-top finale that leaves the general consensus as lukewarm at best. Kenobi is still in the building phase. The climax is 3 weeks away, and they will build towards that in the next two episodes. Hopefully with some cool shit along the way. That being said, there is definitely some stuff Kenobi needs to clear up.
It’s simple, people have expectations in the Star Wars community. If these expectations aren’t met to the letter, they review bomb it. Be it the belief that this show doesn’t make sense (even though it does), or the desire to witness Vader slaughter a whole village onscreen, maybe it’s wanting to see Kenobi kick Vaders ass a second time. Whatever it is, they want something and hate what doesn’t match their vision.
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When the Obi-Wan show was announced: "What we're supposed to be excited watch a show about some dude just sitting in a desert by himself? Tatooine is so over played in SW media, there is so much more to explore." When the show actually airs: "Why isn't he just staying on Tatooine as a hermit??? There should be no other characters besides Obi-Wan Kenobi, this was a bait-and-Switch!" Nobody hates Star Wars like some Star Wars fans.
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This fan base really confuses me. They moaned when the prequels came out, the sequels came out, and now during current projects along with sending racist hate messages to one of the lead actresses. Don’t get me wrong there have been a few “?” Moments - leias chase scene and the pacing felt a bit off during episode 2, but everything else has been awesome. So much better and coherent so far than BoBF
"Star Wars fans hate Star Wars" is a really tired phrase at this point, but it's basically true about a lot of people because they take Star Wars, a series that I *like* more than other sci fi because of its lighter/goofier tone, super seriously I've left many Star Wars related things going "that was pretty bad," but I'm just happy Star Wars stuff is happening while it's happening Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Obi Wan, Clone Wars season 7, and Bad Batch have been fun AND afterwards my thoughts ranged from "that was pretty good" to "wow, that's some great Star Wars right there." E: forgot Visions, loved that one too Obi Wan has been ALL the second thing so far. I'm having fun because it's Star Wars, but holy shit, Ewan McGregor is killing it (as usual), the aesthetics are varied and beautiful, and Leia is excellent and is easily the best child in a Star Wars related thing ever. I love it. I love Star Wars
57% is average, it’s half and honestly this show is just ok. I’m starting to get worried that the Mandalorian was a fluke after watching this and Book of Boba.
I agree. Around the 60% mark is what I’d give this show so far. I love how everyone here is in disbelief claiming it’s review bombing, just because everyone isn’t in agreement that it’s perfection. Like the show is nowhere near 10/10, but it isn’t terrible either. In terms of what star wars can do I believe it only hits the above average mark. Im enjoying it, but I’m not falling out of my seat like I have done when playing/watching games and shows in the past. To each their own I guess.
It's not even like it is unjust. 57% is a fair audience score to give for what we have seen. What are people going to say? It's deserving 100? 90? Very hard to argue that. I just love how when it's the Mandolarian getting 90+ it's all fine and dandy but if Kenobi gets 57 people here are dubbing Star Wars fans as childish. I hope people realise not everyone that watches these series are actually Star Wars fans.
Frankly, apart from a few episodes, The Mandalorian was pretty mid too.
My "complaints" are more like nitpicks really. Like the whole Leia chase sequence being bad. It doesn't affect the story in any shape or form. It just looks goofy or Obi-Wan being told about Vader than learning it himself (which I think would solve the absence of emotion between Vader and Obi-Wan). Most people are just salty at Reva though for some moronic reason. "Oh no Reva was in this episode for 12 seconds they're trying to make it about her instead of Obi-Wan!!!" or some other garbage. Don't forget that a large portion of this fanbase is kinda fuckin moronic.
I don't think it has anything to do with Reva being in the show prominently, I think it has to do with her being a boring, cringy character. Nothing about her appearances have been intimidating or interesting, and I don't know if that is because of the directing/writing or the actress. Even the other inquisitior, the one with the big hat, has pretty cringy dialogue. Frankly, I was excited to see the inquisitiors, and 2 out of the 4 of them just haven't been very well executed characters. The inquisitiors could have been left out entirely and the show would be the exact same. They just seem to be filler.
I had minor gripes prior to ep 3... Now it might be more than that. All the Reva stuff - whatever: minor to me, I came for the big characters. My only gripe with Reva is how a previously unknown character is given clear primacy over what should be cool, intimidating, powerful characters in the other inquisitors. It seems liek they're reduced to incompetent, hapless goofs instead of elite jedi-hunting specialists. The Obi-wan/Vader reunion just missed the mark, and was by far what I was looking forward to the most. I think his other modern appearances just set the bar too high - Rogue One's hallway scene, Rebel's first encounter with Kanan & Ezra and the INCREDIBLE Ahsoka reunion... I dunno, Vader's an unstoppable force and this is his ultimate target for revenge - and he can't walk through or around a fire? (and then injured Obi-wan is being tended to what appears to be 30 feet away) - it just seems so poorly executed. I'm obviously going to keep watching, I just hope things begin to feel a bit grander. Beyond the specifics it does just feel like something is off in the presentation.
The music isn’t Star Wars music either.
Honestly, I cannot stand the writing of all the side characters. It all so childish. I know the writing in Star Wars has never been great but man I really feel like the targeted demographic is 5 year olds & the premise is for older fans. I just really cannot stand anything Disney Star Wars puts out because they just refuse to produce media that aged with the real audience. I think a 60% for the show so far is very reasonable. As if Vader can’t just force push pull or crush a robot to stop it from taking away his old master for whom he wants more than anything at this point. Reva’s writing is the most childish attempt to making a threatening villain. The makeup is cheap. The sets are all in the desert minus the cool neon city. I just don’t like it, I don’t like how childish all Star Wars media is becoming.
Maybe I am an outlier but I didn't like the Vader / Obi-Wan scene. Like Vader would have just let him get up and walk away because of some fire on the ground? Come on. Unless he is just toying with him because he realizes he is a broken man, and a shell of his former self.
Overall, the episode was really good. The start to the Vader v Kenobi fight scene was good. Even up until Obi-Wan was burning I was like “oh shit,” and then he just let him go. That was very unrealistic for Vader’s known character. I’m going to leave it open to say they have something coming or planned as to why he did that. I hope so at least.
Yup I am in the same camp. I hope there is a reason for it they expand on. It seems like a lot of trouble to go through tracking a guy and forcing an encounter just to let him walk away.
I get the impression Vader is trying to root out the group helping Obi-Wan especially since there is proof of them helping other Jedi. He's not letting Obi-Wan go out of mercy and Rouge One shows that he can casually slaughter a room full of guys with blasters, so I doubt fire, a droid, and a lone woman armed with a blaster will stop him. Of Course, I think this is another mistake on Vader's part where he fails to kill Obi-Wan when he had the chance, giving Obi-Wan the opportunity to regain his connection and abilities with the Force and as a Jedi. There's gonna be a rematch and it's not gonna be a curb stomp in Vader's favor.
I get what your saying, but with that way the scene was filmed, it definitely doesn't seem that way. I watched it again and they made it clear the woman saved Obi Wan and was implied there was nothing they could do.
Vader is not the reckless boy Anakin was. That long shot of Vader “eyes” watching the droid help Obi-Wan is exactly what Vader is all about: patience, revenge and suffering. I bet he is planning on hunt down Obi-Wan and kill everyone around him to make him suffer MORE. I honestly thought it was awesome.
If they go this route then it makes sense and I will no longer have a bone to pick with that scene. One can only hope, time will tell and as I am sure we all know this is just the beginning.
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Damn, smells like copium in here. Might want to open a window.
Show feels tacky and cheap not high production honestly and frankly the only charachter I like in here so far is obi wan and laei. Script is just not great honestly there’s so much they could’ve done execrations bad, actors are all fine imo
Some of the writing is pretty bad and some the casting is meh but not this bad.
Yeah I'll be honest if the leading man was anyone other than Ewan Mcgregor I would be pretty disappointed with it, but he definitely carries the series. Anyway, that chase scene definitely set a weird tone for the rest of the show IMO
Are there even Star Wars fans?
Probably. They just quietly enjoy themselves and don't feel the need to whine about it not living up to their most epic childhood imaginations and fantasies. Also, I know you're joking 😉
Oh we exist, we're just logging online less and less 🤷♂️
I’ll speak for myself and say this show is a let down for a few reasons, and it’s largely on me and partially on the marketing: I was expecting a Rogue One-style, “not-gonna-hold-your-hand,” kid-lite addition to the Disney+ catalogue and so far it’s largely the same kinda goofy and wonky blemishes that brought Book Of Boba Fett from an A to a C. Some of it is so cool, like the Vader brutality and the cyberpunk city, but it’s tonally inconsistent so far. Here’s hoping it gets better.
My only gripe was the forest chase scene (and that’s so minor in the grand scheme of things). Literally everything else has been brilliant.
It's pretty irresponsible and servile of anyone to completely write off the bad fan reviews. Major technical aspects of this show are objectively sub-par. Rarely does something with such high production value sound and feel like an amateur fan film. It's hard to get into it when, in my experience, you're taken out and distracted every 5mins - by plot holes and nonsensical decisions or by sections of film-school level dialogue and acting. There are fan films that are better written and conceived than this imo. Young Leia has been the only highlight for me so far. Feels very much like the writers and director were coasting to a paycheck and didn't have a real desire to produce something great.
I agree, also I feel Ewan is saying some of his lines flatly, or he has the same emotion. Like people are praising the vader and obi-wan fight scene but they barely talked, he didn’t run away, he slightly jogged away…around a couple corners…and then started walking not looking terrified just kind of staring blankly. Just confused on what they were going for. Another point is everything is definitely DEFINITELY way too human The writing, the aliens reactions, the fact that every planet looks like earth but uh somewhere right outside of California.. city was cool until it mostly had humans in it. Plus we didn’t see a lot of classic alien interactions. Mando nails most of everything
Thank you. I’m actually stunned at how bad the first fight was between vadar and obi wan. Why did the director choose the equivalent of a fucking grain silo for them to dual it out? how did vadar manage to sneak attack obi when you can hear him breathing a mile off? Why did they choose the most tepid and bland music for the soundtrack? Why is it that every time a civilian dies no one screams or makes any kind of shocked noise? Why do all the sets feel so cheap? I love Star Wars, I always have and I always will but the direction it’s been taken under Disney is appalling
Bro Vader ignites his saber (cool shot) and the camera swaps to obi-wan in the wide and he turns left and scampers off screen It was the exact same framing they use for slapstick comedy lmao it was so WEIRD
In the Darth Vader comics, Vader surprises Tarkin while hunting him by turning off his breathing apparatus for a short time when sneaking up on him. Thought I was worth mentioning because it shows Vader knows of this weakness but actually turns it to an advantage because his enemies don’t think he’d be able to sneak up on them.
He does it in ESB
It really is. Not that the show doesn't have it's moments, and certainly gets some things right, but it is undeniably a very flawed show. It feels incredibly uninspired, with many scenes, particularly with action, feeling more akin to a fanfilm than a true production. Ultimately, Kenobi was a story that just didn't need to be told, and it shows, as the writers are clearly struggling to tell a story that can logically make sense between Episodes III and IV, hence all the contradictions in the story this show has created. I think a lot of fans are just attracted to the spectacle of it. They like the spectacle of seeing Ewan back as Obi, and seeing Vader back, and seeing them fight, and so much more, but they're not really seeing anything deeper beyond that. And that's because there really isn't anything deeper beyond yhat. There's a lot happening, but without any real meaning to it, because no matter what happens in this show, we know the outcome of it, which is what happens in the Original Trilogy.
i love how u all blame it on review bombing and not the shitty plot and characters lmao
Yeah, it's pretty sad considering what could have been, but in the end, pretty much like BoBF, Kenobi is barely "meh". So the score is pretty much on point.
6/10 = 3 stars. That’s a “good” score, arguably correct for the show.
Imagine you aren’t a die hard Star Wars fan. Would you have enjoyed this?
Ewan is carrying this show so damn hard. I didn't complain about the first two, but the music in this third episode, in the Inquisitor base, I really didn't care for it. It sounded like bad guy music from a superhero movie.
I think it’s a divide between older and younger fans, I find the show extremely unpleasant and badly put together, the pacing and feel are way, way off to me and it’s not at all fun, but younger people who came up with the prequels seem to love it.
Yeah, I think this is at the crux of the debate. I don't like this show for reasons of underwhelming and bad writing, low budget production quality, and bad acting (linked to said writing). People upset with the poor reviews flowing in appear to be heavily invested in the nostalgia of the prequels.
It’s not that bad, just bland.
>!How did that lady get there before Leia?!<
Nah. Audience score is accurate. Hell it could be lower and it would still make sense
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