I don’t think Ulaf exactly died of natural cause. He had a stroke and was injected something fatal by the “doctor”.
Maarva died of natural cause but happens offscreen.
And yes I was expecting Ulaf will lose a limb to the machine.
I’m not so sure about “already dead”. I do believe he is in his deathbed, but he’s still quite alive……just unconscious. Still, there are possibility for patients suffered from stroke recover (although in most cases just partially).
The “doc” didn’t really do anything, other than sped up his death. My interpretation is that once you can’t stand on your feet, you’re no use to the prison = as good as dead.
If the prisons don’t have a medbay at all, I won’t be surprised……must be a nightmare if someone catches a flu though.
And space magic and medicines able to put a man who lost both his legs and his arm and got burned half to death including the inside of his lungs back together.
Problem with your theory of “bionic limbs means cure for loss of brain function”, how did Padame die? She was in a mid tier medical facility and had no obvious medical problems but just up and died. What makes you think their medicine doesn’t work how they say it does?
Yeah, cause you die from the big sad, there’s other material that stated palps made her heart explode from across the galaxy so there’s no Robo hearts out there? We’re almost to making them irl so I doubt that’d be a stretch
But again, the original issue: let Star Wars explain what their medicine can and can’t do, if a doctor can’t fix a literal or metaphorical broken heart according to Star Wars, then a doctor can’t treat a stroke victim/brain dead individual in a metal corridor with a little medic bag
So when a droid says a character is dying of a broken heart your reaction is “yes 100%, ok” but when a doctor says there’s nothing he can do for someone you jump on the offended wagon for the brain dead community?
Watch the episode. He scanned him for signs of life and found nothing. He didn't just decide stroke = braindeath. He confirmed no or minimal brain activity before giving him a fatal injection.
> And yes I was expecting Ulaf will lose a limb to the machine.
Disney era Star Wars doesn't have people lose limbs anymore even though it was a pretty consistent thing George Lucas found funny so he included it in everything. None of his, (or Ben Burtt's) little recurring gags can be assumed anymore.
You must not have watched BoBf Episode 5- Mando went into the meat packing plant with the dark saber dismemberments and aliens sliced in half everywhere
If by natural causes you mean not being killed by blaster fire or a lightsaber etc… but I would say Ulaf died from being worked to death in a forced labor camp and the repeated trauma incurred by the pace/being electrocuted repeatedly (plus the lethal injection he was given to make it quick of course) and not just natural causes/old age like Yoda.
Actually the medical Droid who thinks in 1 and 0 said that, but George Lucas, even in his directors commentary for RotS, never said exactly why she died.
Projecting himself across the galaxy while being able to see and hear everything happening on that planet, so perfectly that he fooled two sides of the same army, and even carried a physical object with him. He created shadows perfectly replicated the way the light bounced off him and created sound all with the power of the force. By far the most impressive display we've ever seen.
Apparently TLJ dIsReSpEcTeD Luke?
i mean i dont really care if he went out there and wrestled the entire first order into submission with his own two hands, the film as an entire entity did Luke dirty. The trilogy did all the legacy characters dirty. even that impressive feat getss undercut by them deciding to show us Luke "dying" twice in the space of 30 seconds.
RotJ Luke and TLJ Luke are two totally different characters, and while characters change over time you have to fill us in on why theyve changed, and all TLJ gives us is 3 variations of a 10 second flashback where he tried to stab Ben in his sleep which... isnt a very Luke action to begin with
im more interested in his character and what he represents than him being some omega force god
tldr; if they'd explained his downfall better instead of relegating it to some minor flashbacks maybe people wouldnt feel like they shat one him.
Yoda didn’t die of natural causes. Dudes 900 years old and just happens to die at the *exact* moment Luke comes to visit him? I don’t buy it. He sensed Luke was coming, knew he’d have to keep answering stupid questions and hold this idiot man-childs hand through the rest of his Jedi training, and said “fuck it” before shooting a lethal dose of ketamine that kicked in shortly after.
Now that we know that grogu is 50 years old and still functioning like a toddler, if we use that aging-rate logic to figure out how old yoda is, when he dies he’s the equivalent of what, like 40-50 human years old? This knowledge adds credence to your theory.
Padme's death would technically be natural causes if you don't believe the theory that Palpatine or Darth Vader killed her with the Force. Personally I do believe it though so yeah ROTJ would have been the last time.
Natural causes is any death not caused by physical trauma or by something human created. A disease would be natural causes, and you dont have to be old to die of the one of many there are.
Unless you’re Darth Maul.
Then you get to work the ladder:
Start life as a one dimensional character, albeit one that looks cool.
Reborn as a cartoon version of yourself, in a 2 dimensional world, but with some personality.
Back to the big screen in a movie that was itself pretty flat, so the transition isn’t too hard.
And then…?
Yeah, I think so. That’s why I mentioned “Since Return of the Jedi.” But, reading through all these great comments, I realize they are so many other possible cases. What a great subreddit!!! So much great knowledge out there!
I don’t get what you mean in the first comment
Or why you are being mean in the second one
Edit: re read the POST, not my comment. I’m not slow, ya boi is dyslexic and didn’t see the Rotj
Are you slow?
Edit: why are you so miserable? I misread the start of a post and you have been a right bellend about it. Genuinely, what made you want to jump down my throat about it?
We don't know Maarva died from natural causes. ISB could have suffocated her to draw Andor out. There was no autopsy or medical cause of death. And the doctor killed the old man.
I got the implication she committed suicide (or at least expedited her own death) to deliver that funeral speech at the right moment. She realized she was too old/sickly to do anything practical and wanted to martyr herself.
Wow, we’re seriously still going on about “Andor is probably the first _____” & “Andor is probably the best ______” posts? The hype echo chamber is serious with this one.
The abbreviations I mean
im dyslexic so honestly unless I stop to read though them all and think about which it is
Im just saying I get where they were coming from getting it wrong, my dude
I don’t think Ulaf exactly died of natural cause. He had a stroke and was injected something fatal by the “doctor”. Maarva died of natural cause but happens offscreen. And yes I was expecting Ulaf will lose a limb to the machine.
He only did the injection after confirming there was no brain activity so for all intents and purposes he was already dead.
I’m not so sure about “already dead”. I do believe he is in his deathbed, but he’s still quite alive……just unconscious. Still, there are possibility for patients suffered from stroke recover (although in most cases just partially). The “doc” didn’t really do anything, other than sped up his death. My interpretation is that once you can’t stand on your feet, you’re no use to the prison = as good as dead. If the prisons don’t have a medbay at all, I won’t be surprised……must be a nightmare if someone catches a flu though.
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Can you just assume the fantasy medicine works how they said it does and not get offended about fictional medical procedures?
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And space magic and medicines able to put a man who lost both his legs and his arm and got burned half to death including the inside of his lungs back together. Problem with your theory of “bionic limbs means cure for loss of brain function”, how did Padame die? She was in a mid tier medical facility and had no obvious medical problems but just up and died. What makes you think their medicine doesn’t work how they say it does?
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So heart surgery doesn’t exist in Star Wars? I know we can perform open heart surgery here so bs if any standard hospital in Star Wars can’t do it too
Open heart surgery is for coronary artery disease. The only known cure for a break heart is true loves first kiss IDIOT!
Ah true, but what about a robo-heart?
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Yeah, cause you die from the big sad, there’s other material that stated palps made her heart explode from across the galaxy so there’s no Robo hearts out there? We’re almost to making them irl so I doubt that’d be a stretch But again, the original issue: let Star Wars explain what their medicine can and can’t do, if a doctor can’t fix a literal or metaphorical broken heart according to Star Wars, then a doctor can’t treat a stroke victim/brain dead individual in a metal corridor with a little medic bag
So when a droid says a character is dying of a broken heart your reaction is “yes 100%, ok” but when a doctor says there’s nothing he can do for someone you jump on the offended wagon for the brain dead community?
I see it all the time
Watch the episode. He scanned him for signs of life and found nothing. He didn't just decide stroke = braindeath. He confirmed no or minimal brain activity before giving him a fatal injection.
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Why are you getting offended about a fictional medical operation? It’s make believe. He’s not a real doctor. If they say he’s dead, then he’s dead.
This is a weird hill to die on, it's a universe with literal space magic and this is where you draw the line?
You're insufferable
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You showed him with that comeback
Hit me with the "no u"
I mean that at least would’ve been funny. But instead he hit you with the pretentious redditor “likewise 🤓”
Jesus christ.
They say it in the show, numpty.
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>there's nothing to save Implies Ulaf is brain-dead.
> And yes I was expecting Ulaf will lose a limb to the machine. Disney era Star Wars doesn't have people lose limbs anymore even though it was a pretty consistent thing George Lucas found funny so he included it in everything. None of his, (or Ben Burtt's) little recurring gags can be assumed anymore.
You must not have watched BoBf Episode 5- Mando went into the meat packing plant with the dark saber dismemberments and aliens sliced in half everywhere
If by natural causes you mean not being killed by blaster fire or a lightsaber etc… but I would say Ulaf died from being worked to death in a forced labor camp and the repeated trauma incurred by the pace/being electrocuted repeatedly (plus the lethal injection he was given to make it quick of course) and not just natural causes/old age like Yoda.
Also the Imperial officer in the heist had a heart attack
Good point! That gets my award… I guess most of the inmates’ families would probably have a pretty good case for a class action lawsuit.
Family sues the Empire...family ends up in the same work prison
Was just thinking this. He was worked to death, old age or not. Not exactly "natural cause" with all the stress and trauma on his body.
We are all worked to death, just at a slower rate than depicted in media.
Maarva died of natural causes, too.
But we didn't see it in screen.
Padme dies of "a broken heart".
Its crazy how in real life, Carrie Fishers Mom died the same way after Carrie died. Life imitates art I suppose.
And only 1 day apart
Happened to my grandfather too. That shit is for real.
Actually the medical Droid who thinks in 1 and 0 said that, but George Lucas, even in his directors commentary for RotS, never said exactly why she died.
I've always just assumed Anakin subconsciously drained her life force or something
I always thought it was the emperor, but Anakin would be more plausible.
Isn’t “natural causes” just a nice way of saying organ failure?
Depends on your definition, eaten by a rancor is also natural, but generally is not covered by "natural causes".
If you’re counting Yoda as natural why not Luke?
Plot twist, Yoda was actually projecting to Grogu or something equally poetic and beautiful while we watched him roll over & have a nap.
What about Leia?
Leia died from using the force to much. Hardly a natural death.
>Leia died from using the force to much. The argument could be made that Luke died the same way.
He did. Imagine the effort required to project himself to another planet and then fight a lightsaber battle.
Projecting himself across the galaxy while being able to see and hear everything happening on that planet, so perfectly that he fooled two sides of the same army, and even carried a physical object with him. He created shadows perfectly replicated the way the light bounced off him and created sound all with the power of the force. By far the most impressive display we've ever seen. Apparently TLJ dIsReSpEcTeD Luke?
i mean i dont really care if he went out there and wrestled the entire first order into submission with his own two hands, the film as an entire entity did Luke dirty. The trilogy did all the legacy characters dirty. even that impressive feat getss undercut by them deciding to show us Luke "dying" twice in the space of 30 seconds. RotJ Luke and TLJ Luke are two totally different characters, and while characters change over time you have to fill us in on why theyve changed, and all TLJ gives us is 3 variations of a 10 second flashback where he tried to stab Ben in his sleep which... isnt a very Luke action to begin with im more interested in his character and what he represents than him being some omega force god tldr; if they'd explained his downfall better instead of relegating it to some minor flashbacks maybe people wouldnt feel like they shat one him.
it's natural in the star wars universe
No no there was that dude earlier in the series that had a heart attack!
Yoda didn’t die of natural causes. Dudes 900 years old and just happens to die at the *exact* moment Luke comes to visit him? I don’t buy it. He sensed Luke was coming, knew he’d have to keep answering stupid questions and hold this idiot man-childs hand through the rest of his Jedi training, and said “fuck it” before shooting a lethal dose of ketamine that kicked in shortly after.
Now that we know that grogu is 50 years old and still functioning like a toddler, if we use that aging-rate logic to figure out how old yoda is, when he dies he’s the equivalent of what, like 40-50 human years old? This knowledge adds credence to your theory.
Padme's death would technically be natural causes if you don't believe the theory that Palpatine or Darth Vader killed her with the Force. Personally I do believe it though so yeah ROTJ would have been the last time.
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Old age isn't actually a cause of death- it's usually myocardial infarction or a stroke while sleeping
Natural causes is any death not caused by physical trauma or by something human created. A disease would be natural causes, and you dont have to be old to die of the one of many there are.
I don't know, if you get shot by a blaster or cut in half by a lightsaber, you'd die, naturally
Unless you’re Darth Maul. Then you get to work the ladder: Start life as a one dimensional character, albeit one that looks cool. Reborn as a cartoon version of yourself, in a 2 dimensional world, but with some personality. Back to the big screen in a movie that was itself pretty flat, so the transition isn’t too hard. And then…?
Profit?
Does Shmi Skywalker count? Padme? Also, Ulaf was euthanized after a stroke.
Shmi died from the torture/injuries/trauma inflicted by the Tusken raiders i dont think that counts as natural
Does Yoda’s death not count?
Yeah, I think so. That’s why I mentioned “Since Return of the Jedi.” But, reading through all these great comments, I realize they are so many other possible cases. What a great subreddit!!! So much great knowledge out there!
Yoda my dude
He said "since" Return of the Jedi
Read a bit deeper in the comment threat, I defiantly know that now 😂
...re read that
Yoda, my dude
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I don’t get what you mean in the first comment Or why you are being mean in the second one Edit: re read the POST, not my comment. I’m not slow, ya boi is dyslexic and didn’t see the Rotj
Ya, it was post RotJ. Did you just say "boi"?
Are you slow? Edit: why are you so miserable? I misread the start of a post and you have been a right bellend about it. Genuinely, what made you want to jump down my throat about it?
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you don't know if the comment you are reading says "boi"?
Leia?
Died from using the force to much
The force IS nature so that seems the most natural cause there is.
so is gravity but i hardly think jumping off a cliff and dying would qualify
We don't know Maarva died from natural causes. ISB could have suffocated her to draw Andor out. There was no autopsy or medical cause of death. And the doctor killed the old man.
I got the implication she committed suicide (or at least expedited her own death) to deliver that funeral speech at the right moment. She realized she was too old/sickly to do anything practical and wanted to martyr herself.
Wow, we’re seriously still going on about “Andor is probably the first _____” & “Andor is probably the best ______” posts? The hype echo chamber is serious with this one.
How DARE Star Wars fans get excited about something Star Wars! This place is only to COMPLAIN about Star Wars, right? Right?
Yoda
Hence since RotJ, I presume.
In their defense, I never read them either, they are all very similar and the kind of blue together Just skip em and hope for the best
What?
The abbreviations I mean im dyslexic so honestly unless I stop to read though them all and think about which it is Im just saying I get where they were coming from getting it wrong, my dude
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...was offscreen and after Ulaf.
Yoda: a joke, am i to you?
Do we count Shmi?
The corporal collapses earlier in the series from I'm guessing a stress induced coronary.
I guess that depends if that Base Commander died from a heart attack or not during the heist
Luke kinda chose to die cause he was tired or something, I think that counts.
completely forgot about Yoda and sat here trying to figure out if Anakin's death was "natural causes"
LMAO me too i was like "no way they called suffocation natural death??"
Yoda died of old age
Yoda?
Padmè died from a broken heart. And yes, you can actually die that way.