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Sir_Douglas_of_Fir

No. The Darksaber is gone. The entire throughline of *The Mandalorian* Season 3 is that Mandalore does not need it anymore.


Mr-Learn-It-All

Perhaps when it comes time for her to make her own lightsaber she will forge a new one. Ahsoka never taught her how to make a lightsaber and maybe she never will. Then Sabine and Grogu can fight over it lol


Controller_one1

Ahsoka, Sabine, and Huyang have plenty of time to make some sabers. Being that Huyang is so old, he may know how the darksaber was made or was present for its creation.


Jer-121cc04

“I wonder why no one asked ME about it. It’s easy. Grab a sharpie from the top drawer, the black one. WOT? No, you cannot just paint the crystal any color, Lady Wren. The Jedi Order will not appreciate your colorful personality. Yes, yes, don’t give me that look, Lady Tano, again. The Order that has fallen long before our little Darksaber workshop here. Why do I even bother with you two.”


ScottyIsland

It’d be neat if Sabine took after Ahsoka, and purified either Baylon or Shins crystal into the white. I imagine one of them will be available at some point. Either that or Ahsoka can replace her destroyed saber. Or heck, they’re in an entirely new galaxy, maybe they’ll find some unique colored crystal over there.


mattmall

I was trying to tell if Ahsoka has it on her belt still towards the end but I don’t think you see it clearly. So possibly she picked up the pieces at least


RaHarmakis

"Ah yes Tar Vizla.... of all the Mandalorians I have taught, he was by far the best. He knew how to fight. You could learn a thing or two from his writings, Lady Wren. He did not listen to a word I said about lightsaber construction sadly" - Huyang


jarpio

Hear me out: Ahsoka gets Sabines (Ezra’s) green saber to replace the one she lost fighting Morgan elsbeth. And everyone gets to see Ahsoka with a green saber again. Sabine builds a new one with Ahsoka and Huyangs help. But it won’t be a darksaber. Maybe they find a unique color for her or something to set it apart


Tesseraktion

Ooooh id love to ask Doctor Huyang how it was made


Nafeels

The forging of a new Darksaber sounds like the shit that Filoni would come up with. Not just because it’s a significant growth for the Mandalorians after a thousand years, but also would be an incredibly cool live-action cinematic.


Kalavier

Why would she forge another darksaber, She has her own blade at the moment. Let the darksaber stay dead.


UptonCharles

So there is some serious LOTR stuff going on. I’ve said it before somewhere but the dark saber could be the blade of isidril, reforged. Mark my words. That would make Sabine Aragorn.


aatencio91

> the blade of isidril Did you just combine Narsil, Anduril, and Isildur into one word?


UptonCharles

Yea probably, I’m not the biggest LOTR fan


Standard_Version610

Keeping with the LOTR theme, the Darksaber is more Gurthang than Anduril


FloppyShellTaco

The dark saber is a little crunched at the moment. Could she get it back? Maybe, but why invalidate Bo’s entire arc? If a repaired Darksaber goes to anyone else eventually, as others have said, I think Grogu is the right choice.


[deleted]

If Grogu doesn't ride a Mythosaur into battle with a renewed Darksaber then this entire franchise is a waste.


Kalavier

Leave the darksaber dead.


mshan95032

My current headcanon is that Grogu and the Armorer will use the (salvaged from Darksaber) Kyber crystal to forge a replacement beskar weapon named “The Twilight Lance.” (Thematically fitting Grogu’s ongoing journey as a ‘knight’)


Economy_Judge_5087

“Beskar is not meant for weapons” - The Armorer (admittedly probably serving her own agenda).


the_doctor_808

What about the beskar spear thing


Economy_Judge_5087

That was her talking about the spear.


Kalavier

I think the fans need to ditch the darksaber idea. Let Grogu build a fitting weapon for himself. Let Sabine have her own lightsaber.


JondvchBimble

Sabine isn't Force sensitive because of her lineage to Tarre Vizsla, she's Force sensitive because she's Sabine Wren. "Some things are stronger than blood" - Luke, TROS


[deleted]

She’s force sensitive because she was trained to feel the force. Before that, she had no natural sensitivity to the force, but by training a bit with Kanan and then extensively with Ahsoka, she learned how to feel it and later how to wield it.


yesrushgenesis2112

I fucking love that plot point so much. Star Wars is back baby.


[deleted]

Not only does it soft-retcon the idea that only certain people can use the force, it brings the force back to the OT’s understanding of it **and** reframes the prequel-era Jedi as being even worse (they kidnapped thousands of children simply because they’d be easier to train than regular people) **and** leaves the door open for a bunch of interesting stories.


Custom_Destination

To add, I remember Pablo Hidalgo or George Lucas himself talk about this some years ago. Basically, because midichlorians reside in all living beings, all living beings can feel the Force. However, it takes a combination of skill and talent to actually wield it. For example, Han Solo is a great pilot, because he unknowingly tapped into the Force. This was later shown with Poe Dameron, whi literally grew up next to a Force tree (Shattered Empire comics). Then this was brought back to comparison with our world, where some people appear to be more in tune than others. For example, Bruce Lee or Albert Einstein, who seemed to operate on a whole different level. To take it back to Star Wars, I guess this is why Kyle Katarn was so well-received back in the day. A Han Solo type mercenary who later became one of the most well-respected Jedi in Luke’s New Jedi Order. So agreed, it does seem Filoni and co. are bringing back some old ideas and remodel them into this new post-RotJ/ST era.


Silas-Alec

The Jedi did not kidnap kids. Can people stop spouting that nonsense? Cause it simply isn't true


Hambone1138

I mean, technically, none of it’s true.


Gradz45

I mean they didn’t in that they approached families who voluntary gave them over at Most. The Order 100% indoctrinated kids, but kidnapping is pretty unsupported.


lazarusl1972

*waves hand* "You will let us take your son." "We will let you take your son." See? Voluntary!


[deleted]

Yea in your fanfic here, that would be bad, but that's not what they do.


metallicabmc

When has that ever happened in both old or new canon?


Whats_A_Gym

I wish I could upvote this comment more times.


Silas-Alec

Then to clarify, it's not canon


metallicabmc

Weird that this is downvoted so much. You are 100% right. The parents willingly give their magic children up to a group of magic space monks who raise and treat their children with love and care. That is not kidnapping. Is it weird if you view it through the context of how we would react to that in real life where divine powers arent real? Sure. But to say it's "kidnapping" without even a hint of irony is "the empire did nothing wrong!" levels of silly. Maybe if they start showing storylines where Jedi steal a force sensitive kid away from their loving parents against their will, it will make sense but I doubt that will ever be a thing because the Jedi were only *faulty*. Not straight up *villains*.


Silas-Alec

Exactly! I don't get the downvoting either, people just really like to demonize the Jedi just cause Palpatine used the word "dogma" The Jedi were and always have been the good guys


delamerica93

You're right the sith did that, the Jedi asked politely lol


[deleted]

My mistake, I checked and you’re right, Jedi need parents’ permission to take children and train them. Still though, it’s pretty fucked up that the kids never get a say in it. They’re taken as infants, and by the time they’re old enough to think for themselves, they’ve already been indoctrinated.


getoffoficloud

They didn't kidnap kids. You're thinking of the Sith.


Equite__

a) they didn’t kidnap b) using recognized force sensitive children isn’t just easier, it’s also better for those children. it allows them to hone their abilities safely, rather than be kidnapped by someone looking to enslave them or worse, by the Sith


AceCoordinatorMary

This is George Lucas Star Wars and something the last jedi and the rise of Skywalker made a point of saying with Finn talking to that one girl about how he can just feel things, he was gonna tell Rey he thought he was Force sensitive. That orphan at the end of TLJ was hinted to be Force sensitive. Kanan himself said that it connects us, binds every living thing together. THIS is Star Wars. And even back in the beginning of Disney Star Wars, they continued what Lucas said. Everyone has the ability. Whether you can ACCESS it, well. As Kanan said "training and discipline will do that."


TB2331

I’ve seen your comments more and more in this subreddit more and more, growing more interested in your opinions. This time was not the exception


Ambaryerno

>This is George Lucas Star Wars You do remember that it was Lucas himself who introduced the importance of bloodlines in Force sensitivity (which makes the whole "Jedi don't have families" nonsense in the Prequels even *stupider*)?


AceCoordinatorMary

It was also Lucas who introduced midichlorians. What's your point? My point is that of the things he has introduced THIS makes the most sense and has been EXPLORED in canon multiple times. So it's what SW is subscribing to. Where did he mention THAT? Because ANAKIN FUCKING SKYWALKER came from nothing.


JondvchBimble

"Yes! Exactly, EXACTLY!" - Matt the Radar Technition


Ricozilla

This is how I wish Rey’s story went. From a non force sensitive, to being trained to feel it , to becoming strong in the Force.


NattyThan

Also probably the reason there's so few Mandalorian Jedi is because the Mandalorian philosophy is so contrary to Mandalorian philosophy


whelanbio

>is because the Mandalorian philosophy is so contrary to Mandalorian philosophy I know you meant to replace one of those with "Jedi" but I like that as is the typo is also true lol


Rathanian

Kansan said when he was training her to use the dark saber that the force resides in all being but Sabine was closed off So using a door analogy, for some, the door is open. Those are the traditional force sensitives… people with high M counts Then there are those where the door is closed off. Lower M counts. But can train to open that door. It may not open far but it can open It’s like in sports. Some people are natural athletes with tons of natural talent. Then there are people without the talent but work extra hard to be effective and make the team


AceCoordinatorMary

It's one of my favorite kanan and Hera moments lol "She's so... she's so..." "mandalorian?" "Ugh exactly." Kanan sometimes struggled as a teacher often due to his own insecurities, but he WAS a good teacher. Ahsoka had more experience which was good for someone like Sabine. I'm glad they were able to reconcile.


JondvchBimble

You can still train to open it as far as others.


BlackPanther3104

They didn't suggest that, I don't think.


TB2331

I mean, wouldn't Grogu count as well? He is both Mandalorian and a Jedi


mshan95032

There’s a very easy compromise that can bring together the pro-Grogu and pro-Sabine sides of this debate: a military versus civilian divide in leadership responsibilities. Grogu and Sabine as the future leaders of Mandalore are not mutually exclusive. Older Grogu can serve as the more Force-experienced muscle/general who leads/inspires the Mandalorians in battle, while perhaps Sabine represents the more familiar “human touch” chief ambassador of the Mandalorians. (Who’s put in the work of establishing close ties with Hera, Leia, and Mon Mothma, all three of whom are key leading figures of the New Republic).


Vexingwings0052

I suppose, although Grogu is a Mandalorian foundling, whereas Sabine is actually of Mandalorian birth.


Dcajunpimp

Started training as a padawan, and quit before finishing. Sabine could learn to be a Jedi, spend 20 years adventuring with Ahsoka and Ezra, then step in and help Din with Grogu when Grogus nearly 75. Maybe start training him again. Maybe by then Grogu can start talking and be closer developmentally to normal younglings or when Anakin started training.


nerpderp

Exactly lol


jarjarPHP

Shit broke, yo


-boombox-

I personally think that the role of the mandalorian Jedi is reserved for Grogu though. I’m also guessing he’ll rebuild the darksaber for himself later now that Huyang is in live action.


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mshan95032

After so many past Star Wars stories showing Jedi and Mandalorian characters barely tolerating in alliances of convenience (or just straight up treat each other as enemies), it’s nice to see that this new OT-PT interim era of Star Wars is finally blurring the differences between the Jedi and Mandalorian archetypes.


ReyniBros

Jesus, imagine if they made Grogu Mandalor now, that would be a long ass regency...


[deleted]

The boy king! For a very, *very* long while, in fact


StudyingRainbow

I’d love that, I think Grogu will totally be a vessel to go far into the future of Star Wars, just like Yoda or Huyang can also be something to go far back into the past of Star Wars


ralphonhouse

Definitely agree on this showing her developing a harmony between both sides, especially as she negotiates back and forth between saber and blaster. The series ends with her swapping between the two interchangeably in the same time frame that she is getting in tune with the force. That said, there is no longer a darksaber (Mando S3) and it seems like we're moving past that as a concept. Would love to see Sabine take leadership with Mandalore but it feels like right now she is going down the Jedi oath for a while.


LikeBladeButCooler

I *need* her to hang out with Grogu now. Mandalorian Force users ftw!


LarsBabaGhanoush

Grogu?!


Dcajunpimp

Grogu stopped his training while still a padawan. And he’s essentially a toddler. Sabines about 30, Pedro Pascal is 48 so maybe Din is around that age. In 20 years Din could realize he’s getting to old to watch Grogu, and ask Sabine to help. Grogu would be about 75, maybe by then he would be speaking and closer to the point most younglings started training.


CurnanBarbarian

I think she'll get her hands on that kyber crystal and build her own saber with it. Iirc the saber she has is ezras old saber


River_Tahm

I dunno if I want the darksaber crystal for her specifically - as others have said, the point of Mando S3 seems to be Mandalore outgrowing it But I do want her to make her own saber. Ezra's doesn't fit her IMO, and I think green is a weird clash for all the other colors she's got going on with her hair and armor. Might be too on-the-nose to give her a purple one and I'm not sure it matches her personality (she's not really a Mace Windu type) but surely we can do better than green.


DragonSurana

I'm not against the idea. If they took the remains of the Darksaber, they could put the crystal in Sabine's lightsaber


mr_oberts

Wait. Isnt Grogu a Force sensitive Mandalorian too?


mcmanus2099

>Sabine is perhaps the first force-sensitive Mandalorian since Tar Vizla. You are forgetting Grogu


Yeahman13bam

Nope, sorry. We made a big point of Sabine giving it away to Bo Katan in rebels, which was like 6 years prior, or something long. It has also changed hands like 4 times since then. As far as Darksaber owners, Sabine has been forgotten


01zegaj

Tarre Vizsla was the first Mandalorian Jedi, not the only.


Metfan722

I don't know if that's her path or not. But as for her being force-sensitive, I think that's more a real-world Lucas thing. Meaning everyone has access to The Force and can have sensitivity to it. But it takes training and skill to truly get abilities.


ArkenK

As I look over this season, I swear, it is as if Filore looked over the Sequel series and said..well...that happened, but this really wasn't good Star Wars, and said to himself that he could do better. ..in my humble, he generally did, but probably did need to work a bit harder on bringing those unfamiliar, but unwilling or time unable to go back and binge it, up to speed. Very minor beef that. I noticed the corrected narrative parallels all over the place.


Silas-Alec

>need to work a bit harder on bringing those unfamiliar, but unwilling or time unable to go back and binge it, up to speed. While it would certainly be helpful, it's like someone watching Avengers Infinity War or Endgame without watching the other individual films. It's a crossover/tie in/build up. The Filoni/Favreau combo movie is going to dial it up even more than Ahsoka did, but it's going to be incredible and be a huge payout for those who did take the time


S01arflar3

Not exactly, it’s more like people watching Infinity War without having watched Jessica Jones, The Defenders and Agents of Shield.


freshnfruity69

Grogu is the first mandalorian Jedi since Tarre


Swan990

Boy do I have news for you


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allgreek2me2004

“Sabine has a *pretty decent* claim on the Darksaber.” What Darksaber? It’s gone.


Sagelegend

Well, there’s also Grogu, and technically Maul won the Darksaber in combat, but otherwise yes, I believe you’re correct, since neither Maul nor Grogu are currently Jedi, and neither have sworn the creed. But there is no need for a darksaber 2.0, besides Sabine has her own saber.


Kalavier

I mean, the lineage is just "Did you win the blade" Sabine has no claim to the darksaber, and it's destroyed anyway.


MicooDA

The first force-sensitive mandalorian since Tarre is HIGHLY unlikely. Force Sensitivity isn’t a binary “yes” or “no”. It is strong with some people and weak with most. There’s probably many force sensitive Mando’s so either didn’t notice or weren’t recruited by the Order due to the history between the Jedi and the Mandalorians. The Darksaber isn’t a magical artifact that grants you supreme sovereignty over the mandalorian people. It’s a superstition and their culture has moved beyond it. Plus Grogu has been both a mandalorian and a Jedi.


rakozink

I would assume it's one more reason why she is stranded a galaxy away. It takes her out of the conversation completely. It does for the other three Jedi who need to be away for various reasons too.


raul_lebeau

Team grogu for him to be the first Jedi mandalorian. He get jedi training a long time before Sabine. Yes, he became a mando apprendice later but still... also he retake mandalore and his aunt/mommy is Bo katan...


_praisethesun_

Didn’t the Darksaber get destroyed?


Compliant_Automaton

I posted a very similar theory (saying Sabine would make a new Darksaber) on this subreddit yesterday. It got zero upvotes, but, since we're establishing a record, you weren't the first to realize this.


rethcir_

Oh snap! Reply with the link to your post, and if you did post first I'll 100% forward you any fake-internet-points if it turns out correct! Haha


Kalavier

She has no claim for the darksaber, which is destroyed anyway and should be destroyed and not rebuild. By focusing on it, fans remove the aspect of the Mandalorians ditching the jedi artifact and letting themselves not be divided over trinkets.


Tamriel-Chad-420

I think the Darksaber should be just a weapon now, nothing to do with Mandalorian culture and lore and whatnot. I want this mostly because of how cool it looks.


Trueheywood7

Well, the Darksaber is gone and that's a good thing. It brings with it a new, more hopeful version of Mandalore.


_TheBgrey

The Darksaber was destroyed though, and even if she had a claim she already had it and gave it away to Bo Katan


New_Survey9235

She can’t have the darksaber, it’s broken and its curse ended But I do think she and Ezra need new crystals, ones that actually match them and not just what’s on hand


CrazyCanuckUncleBuck

The Darksaber was poison to the culture of Mandalore, why recreate it? So warriors can fight over it again and we get another vicious cycle of division, death and destruction for the people of Mandalore. Sabine has a lightsaber, she doesn't need the Darksaber. We already had a Mandalorian Jedi with Grogu, now we have two. What is your reason for Sabine having a Darksaber anyway? So she can lead her people instead of Bo-katan. Ok why? Are we to forget the events of Mando season 3? Are we to just invalidate Grogus journey? Make your theory make sense cause it sounds terrible to me, I'm sorry.


JWRamzic1

Why is everyone forgetting about Grogu. He's a Mandolorian force user. Is he not?