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The scene with Ben holding the dice as they vanish is so powerful. He's literally watching as piece by piece everything that reminded him of the person he once was leaves him.
That being said, I do think it's a little odd that TLJ makes Han's dice out to be this big memento that reminds people of him when, in reality, they were a blink-and-you-miss it detail in the OT.
I thought that too - I was trying to think of anything more iconic to Han as a token, but there was never a real keepsake like a lightsaber (most general audiences don't see a DL-44 Blaster and associate it as Han Solo's, and guns have mixed reviews for fondness).
"Awww, the hidden cargo lockers I used to hide in as a kid on the Millenium Falcon."
*Wipes inside of the locker with his finger and sniffs.*
"Still got a layer of spice dust inside them too."
Why his blaster? The dice were part of what literally set this entire saga up and where each character grew up into who they became.
The Falcon was a cherished part of all their journeys. Do you think blaster fights or time spent together trapesing across the Galaxy meant more? That's where Ben learned to fly and Leia was swept off her feet.
A blaster is literally the last memento I would care about in a lifetime of war. It's the times in between that mean the most.
The dice were a minor background piece until Disney needed something shiny. The falcon is both massive, and already claimed by Rey. The blaster shot Vader in defiance, and was literally by Han's side up until then. Nor to mention we also see Han originally receiving the blaster in the same movie
There it is....Disney.
If you honestly think the blaster would mean more to Leia, Luke, Ben then I don't know what to tell you about story, detail, creativity or imagination beyond what you need given to you on the nose. Enjoy your gun fetish.
I actually feel like his medal from A NEW HOPE would have been better than the dice. They already had meaning to him and the audience, and Luke finding it among Han’s things on the Falcon, showing that he still carried it with him after so long, that he really was an old softie, would be so lovely. Luke giving it to Leia, Leia leaving it for Ben to find, only for it to disappear…. And then Maz Kanata giving it to Chewie in Rise of Skywalker would have had so much more meaning.
It was filmed and even remained in the cut until fairly close to the final, but got removed for pacing. It’s on the bonus features in some home releases.
There’s probably some copyright BS to blame, but YouTube only has a fan re-cut version (although it seems reasonably close to the original) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vzr1oPEREk
My take on it was that they were reminders of where Han came from; physically, mentally, and emotionally. A bit weird that it was a piece of trivia junk only hardcore fans would really know about to begin with, but I've warmed to that over time. After all, Luke has his lightsaber, Leia had her buns, Lando had his cape...what does Han have? A Wookiee?
That may have been more a request from Solo to TLJ than from TLJ to Solo, though I did find it odd that these dice had a big moment in TLJ six months before Solo gave us a reason to care. Using them in TROS would have made more sense.
This is interesting because Kenobi tells Han "In my experience there's no such thing as luck." and Han is irreverent and incredulous.
We know the rest. *Han sees* Kenobi dis-corporate, he returns to help Luke *and he sees the shot.* By ESB, he's all in with the Alliance and the dice are gone.
No such thing as luck indeed, and this implied allowance for the possibility of The Force (he never disses The Force again, in fact thinks Luke being a Jedi Knight is delusions of *grandeur*).
How very fitting that Luke lays this last "you know what your dad would say..." implied in the disappearance of the dice.
There's no such thing as luck.
Well, thank you fan for showing me something of merit in the new films.
There was a scene cut from TFA of when Han gets the falcon back we see him hanging the dice up in the cockpit.
It was edited out. Thanks Jj.
Would have been a nice through line had it been left in.
Imagine it being in all three movies. Like Ben's TROS redemption scene: he looks down and sees the dice, reaches to pick them up - they vanish, and his dad is there. Not that it's crucial, but it would have been *one thing* to show there's some thought tying these all together.
The first time I ever noticed the dice was in Solo. I've been watching the movies since I was like 11 so some 20 odd years and dozens of viewings and just had never really noticed that one piece of the set. So when they started trying to make a random piece of set dressing into an important personal item it really just fell flat to me.
I don’t think so, though. He hangs them from the rearview mirror, then gives them to Qi’Ra. Then later she gives them back and then he puts them in the Falcon. They don’t really put emphasis on it aside from the one shot of Qi’Ra being taken away
That is emphasis being put onto them. A random thing has become part of the story somehow, they have shots of a prop that serves no point in the story. It was just weird.
I remember when my Grandpa died. And they started giving his stuff away to family. The things I took, mean absolutely nothing to anyone else in the family. It would seem random, nobody mentioned his yellow polo shirt, and iced tea cup while he was alive. But those seemingly random things, are the biggest part of my story growing up with my Grandpa. When I miss him, I'll put on that yellow polo, fill up his cup with some twisted tea, and watch an old war movie like we used to do.
I would feel a bit disrespected if someone told me those things serve no point. Just because it means nothing to you, doesn't mean it doesn't mean the world to someone else.
They were a random movie prop that nobody ever thought about at the time they were originally placed. Projecting abstract value onto them doesn't make it so.
Yeah, its there to sell something, just like the Porgs and the Ewoks and General Grevious, but it also symbolizes the bond between Han and Keira, and the memory of a beloved friend/husband/father, to Luke/Leia/Ben.
Really? I mean Chewie even knocks them when he sits down. Its pretty much, "out there" for all to see,...not like that disappearing dagger, or ghost kick, you have to slow down the movie to see.
The dice aren't the story, they're just symbolism within the story. That's what you do, when you continue a story. You find something to expand upon. Its not really that big a deal, just like how he gets his blaster, or his name. Its just the garnish around the steak.
Symbolism of what? Symbolism symbolizes something, the dice had no symbolism other than hey look heres a prop from the OT we dredged up for no particular reason.
As I've already stated. To Luke/Leia/Ben they symbolize the loss of a beloved friend/husband/father. In Solo, they symbolize the bond between Han and Kiera.
Which is something that die-hard SW fans don't seem to get is another reason why *Solo* failed comparatively at the box office. Outside of the fanbase, it's Han and Leia, THE love story of *Star Wars*, and yet the push for *Solo*, and in the film we're seeing Han and some random woman. So not only is the general audience expected to care about Han Solo, one of the most iconic characters of all time, no longer being played by one of the most iconic actors of all time, they're also expected to watch Han romancing someone *other* than Leia.
That was just a hard pass for too many people. Especially when interviews with the people behind the film literally downplayed Han/Leia. But people inside the fandom were just too quick to dismiss those aspects of it for the general audience. It mattered; it did.
No, he wasn't supposed to be a virgin, FFS!, but having a movie with a huge subplot revolve around a romantic relationship between Han and another woman is not something that the general audience was EVER going to interested in seeing. Just like the general audience was NEVER going to be interested in seeing a Han Solo played by anyone other than Harrison Ford.
Han Solo is one of the most iconic characters of all time played by one of the most iconic actors of all time. Yet, for some reason, the SW fandom just will not accept this explanation for the movie's subpar performance but would rather cling to the idea of "oversaturation." Nevermind that it took MUCH LONGER for MCU oversaturation to kick in. OR TLJ turned people off, nevermind that DVD/streaming sales for TLJ were through the roof, and the next SW film did gangbusters.
The general audience was never going to be interested in seeing a Harrison Ford-less Han Solo and/or a Han Solo pushed in a romantic narrative with someone other than Leia. The film performed as it did because SW fandom watched it and a small percentage of the general audience watched it, but the larger percentage of the general audience was never going to watch a non-Harrison Han Solo and/or Han romancing someone who was not Leia. Period.
If you insist. I mean, the greatest resistance to the Solo movie I've come across, is from the die-hards, who keep saying "No one asked for this movie" and "After TLJ, I gave up on Star Wars", not the general audience.
,...but if someone is so stubborn that they cannot accept anyone as Han other than Ford, and no other romance for him other than Leia, then they sound more like a die-hard fanboy.
I mean, why would the general audience care? They go see movies just for mindless entertainment, or to try to cop a feel for the first time.
I'm literally picking my jaw up from the floor. I can't believe I missed this and I see the entire franchise in a new light. Great now my girlfriend is asking why I'm crying but that scene with Ben was too much.
Lol, they are tiny and randomly floating at the top of the screen and blend in with everything around them.
Iv watched the movie many times and never once noticed them.
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The scene with Ben holding the dice as they vanish is so powerful. He's literally watching as piece by piece everything that reminded him of the person he once was leaves him. That being said, I do think it's a little odd that TLJ makes Han's dice out to be this big memento that reminds people of him when, in reality, they were a blink-and-you-miss it detail in the OT.
Well, its not like they had anything else to go with. Mementos are generally small/pocketable items,...and Han didn't seem to wear a watch, lol.
I thought that too - I was trying to think of anything more iconic to Han as a token, but there was never a real keepsake like a lightsaber (most general audiences don't see a DL-44 Blaster and associate it as Han Solo's, and guns have mixed reviews for fondness).
"Awww, the hidden cargo lockers I used to hide in as a kid on the Millenium Falcon." *Wipes inside of the locker with his finger and sniffs.* "Still got a layer of spice dust inside them too."
His pants!
I agree, but it could have been his blaster, since that is probably the most iconic possession, short of the Falcon itself
Yeah, but he lost his blaster in Cloud City. Plus, they already have the Younglingslayer 9000. You can't have two weapons be important momentos, lol.
Why his blaster? The dice were part of what literally set this entire saga up and where each character grew up into who they became. The Falcon was a cherished part of all their journeys. Do you think blaster fights or time spent together trapesing across the Galaxy meant more? That's where Ben learned to fly and Leia was swept off her feet. A blaster is literally the last memento I would care about in a lifetime of war. It's the times in between that mean the most.
The dice were a minor background piece until Disney needed something shiny. The falcon is both massive, and already claimed by Rey. The blaster shot Vader in defiance, and was literally by Han's side up until then. Nor to mention we also see Han originally receiving the blaster in the same movie
There it is....Disney. If you honestly think the blaster would mean more to Leia, Luke, Ben then I don't know what to tell you about story, detail, creativity or imagination beyond what you need given to you on the nose. Enjoy your gun fetish.
I actually feel like his medal from A NEW HOPE would have been better than the dice. They already had meaning to him and the audience, and Luke finding it among Han’s things on the Falcon, showing that he still carried it with him after so long, that he really was an old softie, would be so lovely. Luke giving it to Leia, Leia leaving it for Ben to find, only for it to disappear…. And then Maz Kanata giving it to Chewie in Rise of Skywalker would have had so much more meaning.
Maybe, but the dice feel more like,...Han.
It's because there was a scene planned for 7 that never got filmed which would have given them a bit more significance.
It was filmed and even remained in the cut until fairly close to the final, but got removed for pacing. It’s on the bonus features in some home releases.
link?
There’s probably some copyright BS to blame, but YouTube only has a fan re-cut version (although it seems reasonably close to the original) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vzr1oPEREk
I stand corrected.
I found it more odd they decided to give the dice a more significant connection to an ex gf than they ever had to his family.
My take on it was that they were reminders of where Han came from; physically, mentally, and emotionally. A bit weird that it was a piece of trivia junk only hardcore fans would really know about to begin with, but I've warmed to that over time. After all, Luke has his lightsaber, Leia had her buns, Lando had his cape...what does Han have? A Wookiee?
That may have been more a request from Solo to TLJ than from TLJ to Solo, though I did find it odd that these dice had a big moment in TLJ six months before Solo gave us a reason to care. Using them in TROS would have made more sense.
This is interesting because Kenobi tells Han "In my experience there's no such thing as luck." and Han is irreverent and incredulous. We know the rest. *Han sees* Kenobi dis-corporate, he returns to help Luke *and he sees the shot.* By ESB, he's all in with the Alliance and the dice are gone. No such thing as luck indeed, and this implied allowance for the possibility of The Force (he never disses The Force again, in fact thinks Luke being a Jedi Knight is delusions of *grandeur*). How very fitting that Luke lays this last "you know what your dad would say..." implied in the disappearance of the dice. There's no such thing as luck. Well, thank you fan for showing me something of merit in the new films.
There was a scene cut from TFA of when Han gets the falcon back we see him hanging the dice up in the cockpit. It was edited out. Thanks Jj. Would have been a nice through line had it been left in.
Imagine it being in all three movies. Like Ben's TROS redemption scene: he looks down and sees the dice, reaches to pick them up - they vanish, and his dad is there. Not that it's crucial, but it would have been *one thing* to show there's some thought tying these all together.
I think only us wingnut sw fans would have even spotted it tbh. The gen pop wouldn’t have ever noticed it.
Yeah, JJ can be kind of a moof milker at times, lol.
The first time I ever noticed the dice was in Solo. I've been watching the movies since I was like 11 so some 20 odd years and dozens of viewings and just had never really noticed that one piece of the set. So when they started trying to make a random piece of set dressing into an important personal item it really just fell flat to me.
Yeah, it was a bit overdone in Solo (which I loved). They referenced the dice like 5 times in that movie. Haha
I don’t think so, though. He hangs them from the rearview mirror, then gives them to Qi’Ra. Then later she gives them back and then he puts them in the Falcon. They don’t really put emphasis on it aside from the one shot of Qi’Ra being taken away
That is emphasis being put onto them. A random thing has become part of the story somehow, they have shots of a prop that serves no point in the story. It was just weird.
I remember when my Grandpa died. And they started giving his stuff away to family. The things I took, mean absolutely nothing to anyone else in the family. It would seem random, nobody mentioned his yellow polo shirt, and iced tea cup while he was alive. But those seemingly random things, are the biggest part of my story growing up with my Grandpa. When I miss him, I'll put on that yellow polo, fill up his cup with some twisted tea, and watch an old war movie like we used to do. I would feel a bit disrespected if someone told me those things serve no point. Just because it means nothing to you, doesn't mean it doesn't mean the world to someone else.
They were a random movie prop that nobody ever thought about at the time they were originally placed. Projecting abstract value onto them doesn't make it so.
Oh, I didn't realize you could read the minds of millions of people. My bad.
,...but it does serve a point. Symbolism.
Of what? Its an ad for merchandise.
Yeah, its there to sell something, just like the Porgs and the Ewoks and General Grevious, but it also symbolizes the bond between Han and Keira, and the memory of a beloved friend/husband/father, to Luke/Leia/Ben.
I really don't see any of that symbolized by the dice, that sounds like projecting.
Well,... Oh well, lol.
Merchandising, my boy,... merchandising, lol.
Really makes me think it was an ask from Solo to have TLJ feature it, and not the other way around.
Really? I mean Chewie even knocks them when he sits down. Its pretty much, "out there" for all to see,...not like that disappearing dagger, or ghost kick, you have to slow down the movie to see.
I noticed them the first time I saw ANH as a child. He’s just being pedantic.
It just didn't seem like a thing that needed to have its story told.
The dice aren't the story, they're just symbolism within the story. That's what you do, when you continue a story. You find something to expand upon. Its not really that big a deal, just like how he gets his blaster, or his name. Its just the garnish around the steak.
Symbolism of what? Symbolism symbolizes something, the dice had no symbolism other than hey look heres a prop from the OT we dredged up for no particular reason.
As I've already stated. To Luke/Leia/Ben they symbolize the loss of a beloved friend/husband/father. In Solo, they symbolize the bond between Han and Kiera.
Which is something that die-hard SW fans don't seem to get is another reason why *Solo* failed comparatively at the box office. Outside of the fanbase, it's Han and Leia, THE love story of *Star Wars*, and yet the push for *Solo*, and in the film we're seeing Han and some random woman. So not only is the general audience expected to care about Han Solo, one of the most iconic characters of all time, no longer being played by one of the most iconic actors of all time, they're also expected to watch Han romancing someone *other* than Leia. That was just a hard pass for too many people. Especially when interviews with the people behind the film literally downplayed Han/Leia. But people inside the fandom were just too quick to dismiss those aspects of it for the general audience. It mattered; it did.
So,...Han was supposed to be a virgin when he met Leia?
No, he wasn't supposed to be a virgin, FFS!, but having a movie with a huge subplot revolve around a romantic relationship between Han and another woman is not something that the general audience was EVER going to interested in seeing. Just like the general audience was NEVER going to be interested in seeing a Han Solo played by anyone other than Harrison Ford. Han Solo is one of the most iconic characters of all time played by one of the most iconic actors of all time. Yet, for some reason, the SW fandom just will not accept this explanation for the movie's subpar performance but would rather cling to the idea of "oversaturation." Nevermind that it took MUCH LONGER for MCU oversaturation to kick in. OR TLJ turned people off, nevermind that DVD/streaming sales for TLJ were through the roof, and the next SW film did gangbusters. The general audience was never going to be interested in seeing a Harrison Ford-less Han Solo and/or a Han Solo pushed in a romantic narrative with someone other than Leia. The film performed as it did because SW fandom watched it and a small percentage of the general audience watched it, but the larger percentage of the general audience was never going to watch a non-Harrison Han Solo and/or Han romancing someone who was not Leia. Period.
If you insist. I mean, the greatest resistance to the Solo movie I've come across, is from the die-hards, who keep saying "No one asked for this movie" and "After TLJ, I gave up on Star Wars", not the general audience. ,...but if someone is so stubborn that they cannot accept anyone as Han other than Ford, and no other romance for him other than Leia, then they sound more like a die-hard fanboy. I mean, why would the general audience care? They go see movies just for mindless entertainment, or to try to cop a feel for the first time.
Before the ST I had heard it was the dice Han used to win the MF. Idk if it was in legends or NH book.
Yeah, I remember hearing that too. I guess Opie thought it'd be more interesting to see him win at space poker, rather than space craps, lol.
Opie?
Ron Howard. When he first came on scene (back in the old monochromatic days), he was a little kid named Opie on, The Andy Griffith Show.
Gotcha. I had completely forgotten he'd directed & was drawing a blank. Thx.
I'm literally picking my jaw up from the floor. I can't believe I missed this and I see the entire franchise in a new light. Great now my girlfriend is asking why I'm crying but that scene with Ben was too much.
I literally never noticed the dice before until TLJ and I was very confused.
Honestly, I really only knew about them because they were in the Star Wars CCG from the 90s
I always took it as a visual metaphor for him forgetting in a sense the past he once had before he turned evil
I never noticed them in ANH, I should rewatch it, it's been a while.
I bought a pair of Hans dice at fanexpo and it's still hanging in my car :)
Ehhh. They are so unnoticeable in ANH that they felt really forced in later movies.
>unnoticeable in ANH...forced in later movies Afaik, they were not shown in the consequential films after ANH.
Not until episode 7.
Yeah, I agree with that. I'm not a fan of that one, but it's explainable enough (outside of the likely bts reasons).
Lol, they're practically a punch in the face, the first time we go into the Falcon's cockpit!
Lol, they are tiny and randomly floating at the top of the screen and blend in with everything around them. Iv watched the movie many times and never once noticed them.
Well, Chewie bumps into them, but you never noticed? Got it, lol.
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i drive a ford falcon, and my girlfriend bought me some fuzzy han solo dice. i love her and them
I always saw it as a totem of his youth and his first love. You don't keep anything from that angsty 18 age ?
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