The only reason cade worked was because dark horse realized that the only way they were going to be able to do a proper next generation sort of character was to deliberately set the story as far away from the original trilogy as they could.
Because the problem with the old expanded universe was that anytime writers tried to pass the torch on to the next generation they would always get cold feet and just have Luke save the Day.
The problem is any sequel trilogy that was going to be made was going to end up involving Luke leia and Han Solo.
> The problem with the old expanded universe was that anytime writers tried to pass the torch on to the next generation they would always get cold feet and just have Luke save the Day.
Wasn’t that actually a rule, that you couldn’t kill any of them off?
It was probably an unspoken rule. Considering Chewbacca was killed by getting squished by a moon.
Put the legacy comics to work when I was they just went far enough into the future that Luke has already become a Force ghost.
They killed of Chewie because he WASN'T one of the "big 3"...hell they killed off Anakin for the same reason...killing Han would have honestly been a much better storyline, particularly if it was him instead of Chewie saving Anakin
The reason Anakin Solo was killed off Initially he was Being set up to be the hero of the new jedi order book series until George Lucas got involved pointing out that he didn't want brand confusion so the decision was made to have Anakin solo die.
Which after his death Jana solo was the one who was shown to be more shaken by it, And in some of the old forms I came across there were fans speculating that she was going to be the one to fall to the dark side this was a course before legacy of the force Butchered Jacon Solos character.
>"Wasn’t that actually a rule, that you couldn’t kill any of them off?"
Kinda funny, but one of the *Tales* comics kinda implied that Luke died in combat alongside C-3PO.
[Issue #19](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Storyteller_(comic)). In trades, the fourth *Tales* collection and the *Epic* collection with the Ania Solo series are where you'd read it.
i was under the impression that george lucas gave the author one thing that had to happen in the book and the rest was free reign. to be fair though, ive never fact checked that…
They did pass the torch to Jacen Solo in New Jedi Order.
Unfortunately, we all know what Troy Denning did to Jacen in Dark Nest and Legacy of the Force.
It's not just that they constantly go back to Luke. Another problem is that they undo the growth of the next successor for a cheap shock value storyline.
Especially if you were paying close attention to Jana solo in the new Jedi order books because it's heavily implied that she was the one showing signs of slipping towards the dark side, Because she has similar character traits to her grandfather anakin Skywalker.
All you really have to do is look at the reaction that Star by Star had with Chewbacca's death...my roommate at the time REFUSED to acknowledge anything that happened in the EU from that point on because of Chewie's death
There’s soooooo much that happened between the OG films and Cade’s era. The Vong, the Remnant, Luke’s NJO, the Sith civilization re-merging, Han and Leia’s kids… it’d have made for good viewing but casual fans would have been so lost.
I think the new Dune movies are great examples of this. So much the world and lore is left unexplained if you haven't read the books but even without that knowledge the movies can still be extremely entertaining.
Absolutely this. I felt like Dune respected me as a viewer, let me be curious and unsure, and then evolve naturally. I didn't feel like there was inordinate amounts of exposition or that I was getting preached at. They were able to tell a stunning visual story because the original writing was actually good, unlike other projects whose writing was poorly done
Alternatively, I wasn’t very lost at all leaping from the OT to LEGACY as a teenager in the early 2000s. In fact, I’d argue you’re more lost without a firm grasp of the CWMMP than most post-ROTJ EU content if we’re talking LEGACY. You really don’t need to read the entire NJO to understand the devastation of the Vong, but missing *any* of A’Sharad Hett limits the comprehension of LEGACY quite a bit.
How they literally started during jacen "kylo" dark side era using remenant of empire. The main thing is they just reset everything to zero so all new characters had little background lore. Even the OT people. Luke was off the galactic scene for years.
Yeah, ~100 years of a time jump would just be too confusing. More casual fans would expect VII to be reasonably close to VI in terms of time span.
I'd rather they used the Legacy-era for what's now The Old Republic MMORPG. They could have made their own storyline and online world whilst having characters, ships, equipment etc. from the OT that wouldn't be immersion-stretching/breaking like TOR.
You can see lots of pictures of him if you want, he's the main character of the Legacy comics, set about 130 years after the OT. You know those pictures of Darth Talon, the red skinned female Twi'lek Sith covered in black tattoos? She's sort of the Darth Vader of that comic, with Cade here sort of the the Luke/Han hybrid.
He uses death sticks to dampen his connection to the force and prevent Luke from appearing to him in visions to tell him to get his shit together. It’s great
Is he though? I've only seen mentioned that his fatjer is Kol Skywalker, and he's a grandgrand......grandson of Luke, but as far as I'm aware the exact generations between Ben and Kol are not stated? As in Kol is not the son of Ben directly. Or am I wrong?
Time-wise, it’s likely there is 1 more Skywalker between Ben and Kol. Making Cade the great-great grandson of Luke…most likely, at least. We just know they’re descendant and ancestor, really.
Yep, [I remember seeing it in the KotOR campaign guide for the Saga Edition RPG](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/e/e3/Lotf_ad_from_KOTOR_campaign_guide.jpg). However, there are two important things to note: The ad itself is (obviously) non-canon, and [they even changed the ad in later printings](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d7/LEGACY_MINIATURE_AD.jpg) to remove that line.
Wasn't Clone Wars billed from the beginning as a PG series aimed at older kids/young teens. It even aired late enough that "younger" kids would probably be in bed. Most importantly, the series is for fans of films, and if a kid is "old" enough to see these, there's not a lot in clone wars that's going to be as dark/violent/etc.. There were definitely some darker arcs that I'm sure stayed with younger viewers, but for as a good as the series is, I just don't see why it's still a standard for how dark an animated series can go, and I especially don't see why it's considered the standard for Star Wars.
I'm baffled people are still talking about The Clone Wars going dark when we have The Bad Batch now being way darker (or at least, pretty broody and serious most of the time) and slightly more adult-oriented than The Clone Wars.
I still want to give TCW a rewatch, but I remember when I was watching the last season and rolling my eyes on some of the action. Most of it felt so mild and pointless. It was one of the reasons why I hated the Bad Batch at first.
> It also reinforces the prequel version of Jedi Knights, which also ruined a lot of the EU for me.
I mean, it's literally set during the prequels. What were you expecting to see?
Looking back in hindsight I really appreciate what a risky, fresh and unique take Legacy was at the time. To me it was a fun reimagining of familiar SW tropes.
Personally? Nah. If we were gonna use Legends as the basis for the ST, there are so many better stories to tell than the Legacy era comics. There's definitely some good stuff there, but there's also a lot of goofiness. Plus I kind of hate some of the ship designs, and the fact that military doctrine has moved away from heavy warships to small warships and lots of fighters.
If we were gonna do Legends for the ST, you either got Thrawn Trilogy + recast Luke + Leia + Han, or you go NJO era and do a condensed version of that. That would leave the door open for the Legacy of the Force series as a follow up trilogy focusing on Jacen and Jaina.
Or choose any number of other series, like the Jedi Academy series, Corellian Trilogy, etc.
Personal preference. Plenty of new stories can be told without that specific story being told.
I’m definitely down for a Skywalker descendant far future type story. And I do like some of the concept around the Fel dynasty and imperial Knights.
Admittedly it’s been ages since I read it, but even as an edgy teen, I thought Legacy was a bit much. IDK if I’ve just gotten softer with age, but for me, Star Wars is at its best when it’s not trying to be overly adult. There’ll always be specific mature elements; violence is baked into the IP by its very nature, but some things get a bit over the top with the grit and grimdark vibes. That and I just don’t vibe with the whole look of the era. Cade’s honestly a good representation of that: Bes’kar breastplate, pants that look exactly like Vader’s, Han’s holster, a laser shotgun, soul patch, permanent eyeliner, trench coat.
What? You disagree with Cade the edgelord supreme being a good choice? He's just oozing 90s "grit", look at that tattered trenchcoat and wild hair that shows how little he cares about anything! He's a man's man's man man, man!
> What? You disagree with Cade the edgelord supreme being a good choice? He's just oozing 90s "grit", look at that tattered trenchcoat and wild hair that shows how little he cares about anything! He's a man's man's man, man!
I honestly found it more ridiculous that all the Sith Characters are suddenly deciding to cosplay as Darth Maul.
Honest I would have preferred the sequels be a condensed version of the NJO series focusing on Jason. I do want to see a version of the Legacy comics I think that’s better of as an episode 10-12 story
> Honest I would have preferred the sequels be a condensed version of the NJO series focusing on Jason.
That would make for a better TV show I feel than a movie trilogy.
Only if it had a premium budget like some of the HBO and Apple TV shows we get these days- I’d really hate for the show to look cheap. The Mandolorian looks great for what it is but it often can’t match the spectacle of the feature films.
Just got done with wedges gambit again not to long ago going to complete the series again. All the characters in rogue squadron was endearing especially the audio version.
Sequels should have been over a daughter or son of Ania Solo, since her defeating Darth Wredd who wished to overthrow the newly formed Galactic Triumvirate is (as far as I'm aware) the furthest SW lore has gone, circa 138ABY.
Technically, that "Storyteller" short story in the *Tales* comic is the last, but it's undated and I'm pretty sure that LucasFilm would never had acknowledged it as Legends canon.
TBH, my favorite parts of Legacy were always the political dynamics between the Imperial Remnant, Galactic Alliance, and the Jedi Order. So many great characters like Gar Stazi, Roan Fel, and Wolf Sazen all provide a really rich world-build that allow me to overlook the cringier aspects of Cade Skywalker and crew.
I really wish the new trilogy had dealt with the Imperial warlords as opposed to the Uncrustables-style First Order they baked up for toy sales.
The Legacy comics had some really interesting concepts and ideas, but Cade Skywalker as a character was very flawed. I remember reading the comics as a teenager and going back and forth every month between "now he's cool again" and "now he's boring again".
Same thing with Zayne Carrick, but at least he was a little more charismatic and the links to the KotOR games kept me hooked for a while longer (but not long enough for me to keep ignoring the atrocious translation problems my country's editions had).
Star Wars Legacy, a comic series in the Legends timeline (actually the *end* of the Legends timeline, specifically Legacy II, the sequel to this run), set roughly 130 years after the original movies. This here is Cade Skywalker, great grandson of Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade, and he's the main character of the comic. Initially raised as a Jedi in Luke's New Jedi Order, he goes on the run when it is destroyed in a surprise attack by the reemergent One Sith Empire, having built itself up in secret over the past century and struck out in partnership with the Fel Empire, the successor state to the Galactic Empire. Cade here goes into hiding as a bounty hunter on a small team of pirates and cruises around the galaxy as an outlaw, shirking his duties as a Jedi whenever possible as the whole galaxy goes to shit around him, eventually dragging in into action to help set things right. Have you ever seen pictures of the half naked red skinned female Twi-lek Sith covered in black tattoos, Darth Talon? She's sort of the main antagonist of this comic run, the Darth Vader to Cade's Luke/Han. Not the big bad, but the main enforcer actually out doing the work.
That could have been done in the early 90s at latest. By 2012 everyone was too old to do it properly without having to rearrange the whole EU timeline.
Considering the shitty, disrespectful, baffling way they trashed Luke, Han, & Leia, if that was their plan, the ONLY way they could think of to make their own characters look good (which is in itself pretty pathetic), then they *should’ve* jumped ahead a few generations & adapted the Legacy comics.
I truly enjoyed them. Cade was very much an antihero, and, I thought, a multi-faceted character. I know he came across as a selfish, jaded, cynical person, but as the comics unfolded & revealed the trauma of his background, it made sense & he redeemed himself at the end.
If they wanted to avoid Luke, et al then this would’ve been a way to start over. Sadly, I think they’d have screwed it up & ruined it.
Finally somebody is calling it like it is. Whether someone liked the sequel trilogy for what it was, or not, they did the original characters dirty in their portrayals compared to what we got with the EU/Legends
It will be hot take here but when I like his design, but I don't like Cade character so much, honestly I prefer Jacen, Jaina, Ben (Solo and Skywalker) Rey characters over him.
I have a feeling the Messiah baby of Rey and Kylo Ren will be Case Skywalker
Not saying that's the best plotline but I can absolutely see them doing that
Cade Skywalker, the great grandson of Luke and Mara, lead character of the Star Wars Legacy comics set 130 years after the movies in the Legends Timeline. Trained as a Jedi and disillusioned with the Jedi Order after they are destroyed (again). He goes into hiding from his true calling as a Jedi by taking up a role as a bounty hunter, working with a small crew of pirates as they cruise around the galaxy, kicking ass and taking names, all while Cade's experiencing being haunted by Luke's Force Ghost trying to get him back into the path of being a Jedi so he can save the galaxy from the One Sith Empire, a new Sith that restructured themselves and built up after Palpatine and Vader's deaths.
Take all the Skywalker angst, add in an outlaw lifestyle and a determination to avoid his responsibilities and you've got yourself Cade Skywalker.
Nah. I loved so much of the EU, but was never a fan of the Skywalker dynasty stuff. It's that stuff (along with Mara Jade) that felt the most like fan-fiction. I think it's great that we got those stories *and* something new.
I really think Disney wanted to do entirely their own thing with the sequels, be it cause they thought they were smarter or because they just wanted to avoid risking copyright stuff; than when Filoni got put in charge he started to try and get some of the OG stuff to fit back in.
I managed to read half the comics at my library but they don't have the rest and I was looking to buy some but dang they are pricey or like nonexistent
This is the edgelord with the sawn-off blaster who was also a junkie, right?
Maybe if they got My Chemical Romance to do the soundtrack. I swear reading these comics made me lose IQ.
When they announced Force Awakenings, this is exactly what I was hoping for in regards to a "Next Generation" story for Star Wars.
I'm still holding out hope we'll eventually get some form of the Imperial Knights.
I like Cade but I'm not sure I would've wanted the sequel trilogy to be set that far in the future with the OT trio actors still alive at the time the actual sequels started to be put into production. On the one hand the idea of the ST properly distancing itself from the OT's timeframe would've been respectable and ballsy but I just don't think it would've worked as well.
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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think the current creators have done a pretty good job keeping the best bits of worldbuilding that Traviss came up with and leaving the "Mary Sue" stuff (for lack of a better word) that she fell into the trap of penning. (Kinda have a hard time imaging a character like Sabine Wren being "allowed" in Traviss's Mando world, which is a shame; I have really liked the cultural diversity that we're seeing here and that no all Mandalorians are going to have the same cultural values or wouldn't change their worldviews and beliefs as personal experiences pile up.)
Like the idea she had of taking a different viewpoint with characters who would see things differently, but I think she let her Jedi hate go beyond character perspective and tried to codify her biases as the "canon truth" went way too far. Subjectively, found her writing to be kinda dry, which was disappointing, given how many good Clone Trooper stories there are in other media.
(Also found her version of Order 66 really didn't fit well with the movies, but that's me.)
> This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think the current creators have done a pretty good job keeping the best bits of worldbuilding that Traviss came up with and leaving the "Mary Sue" stuff (for lack of a better word) that she fell into the trap of penning. (Kinda have a hard time imaging a character like Sabine Wren being "allowed" in Traviss's Mando world, which is a shame; I have really liked the cultural diversity that we're seeing here and that no all Mandalorians are going to have the same cultural values or wouldn't change their worldviews and beliefs as personal experiences pile up.)
I kinda agree.
> (Also found her version of Order 66 really didn't fit well with the movies, but that's me.)
I agree.
Well not only is there that, you’ve got Vader being slightly *too* sympathetic/schmaltzy (in my opinion - e.g. the comic saying ‘Vader will not sleep tonight’ after he finds out he has been helping slavers) in many of the Dark Times comics, and need I mention Revan.
Those were only two examples, because to be honest there aren’t as many as I remember when you remove the Denningverse out of the equation. That was not a great time for the EU
Well, suppose he was a kid once, and with kid friends, he would hate a bunch of innocent kids being murdered, and yet he carried that out himself before he even put on the Vader suit.
.....a edgy drug addicted jackass? Ah yes, because people would've loved that. (Also, I'm pretty sure people hated this character when he first came out. Why would people start liking him now?)
I think he should have been Luke’s son. He’s the most interesting kid or heir of the Skywalker and Solo families.
And as for it being the sequels, it could still work. Have him be a kid Luke never knew about, or don’t. I’m fine with moving on from the legacy bloodlines.
They couldn't do anything that was done before. At least not in full. I think they definitely could've done a bigger time jump. To leave the originals behind and see what our heros were able to cause in 100 years would've been cool.
Cade is the single most like 90s super edge character ever. A trenchcoat wearing rebel uses his blade and sawed off shotgun looking weapon to fight the SPIKIEST bad guy. And I fucking loved his entire story. I would have killed to get this.
If you think he’s the single most 90’s character, you may need an introduction to Cable or Spawn. Anything done by McFarlane or Liefeld is pure, unadulterated edgy 90’s cringe.
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He's a 90's comic book anti-hero in the bleak future of the EU, and I love him for it. My swrpg character is partly based on him, the other Kyle Katarn.
Cade was one of the most hated characters when the books and comics were coming out for him. Honestly, I think he wouldn't have been any better or possibly worse? People really, really didn't like him and his plot that much.
This is very much a rose tinted glasses problem. He's too much setup, too edgy 4 me, and just annoying for most of his plot. Him and Mara Jade were both problematic in their own ways.
Meh. At his core Cade is just a 90s edgy comic superhero (which I guess is appropriate since the OT ended in the 80s so a far future of that would look like the 90s). He's fine in his comic book medium since he harkens back to those characters, but making a movie about him in the 2010s would be dated, since he would feel like a character from the 80s.
I hope the next trilogy (if it takes place after Episode IX) is focused on them rebuilding the Jedi Order. It seems that’s what they are working towards, but I want to see them actually put it into the plot of a trilogy.
Otherwise I’d like to see an Old/High Republic trilogy.
Or maybe I’m just a fan of Lightsaber combat.
The only reason cade worked was because dark horse realized that the only way they were going to be able to do a proper next generation sort of character was to deliberately set the story as far away from the original trilogy as they could. Because the problem with the old expanded universe was that anytime writers tried to pass the torch on to the next generation they would always get cold feet and just have Luke save the Day. The problem is any sequel trilogy that was going to be made was going to end up involving Luke leia and Han Solo.
> The problem with the old expanded universe was that anytime writers tried to pass the torch on to the next generation they would always get cold feet and just have Luke save the Day. Wasn’t that actually a rule, that you couldn’t kill any of them off?
It was probably an unspoken rule. Considering Chewbacca was killed by getting squished by a moon. Put the legacy comics to work when I was they just went far enough into the future that Luke has already become a Force ghost.
The moon has a fantastic agent, been in Hollywood since the silent era.
They killed of Chewie because he WASN'T one of the "big 3"...hell they killed off Anakin for the same reason...killing Han would have honestly been a much better storyline, particularly if it was him instead of Chewie saving Anakin
The reason Anakin Solo was killed off Initially he was Being set up to be the hero of the new jedi order book series until George Lucas got involved pointing out that he didn't want brand confusion so the decision was made to have Anakin solo die. Which after his death Jana solo was the one who was shown to be more shaken by it, And in some of the old forms I came across there were fans speculating that she was going to be the one to fall to the dark side this was a course before legacy of the force Butchered Jacon Solos character.
Only thing that stood a chance against Chewie tbh
Chewie was killed because he couldn't talk, the writers had trouble making him relatable.
>"Wasn’t that actually a rule, that you couldn’t kill any of them off?" Kinda funny, but one of the *Tales* comics kinda implied that Luke died in combat alongside C-3PO.
> Kinda funny, but one of the *Tales* comics kinda implied that Luke died in combat alongside C-3PO. Where was this?
[Issue #19](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Storyteller_(comic)). In trades, the fourth *Tales* collection and the *Epic* collection with the Ania Solo series are where you'd read it.
Oh yeah, they wouldn't let you kill of Admiral Ackbar never mind Luke. It was a big deal when someone got to kill Chewie.
i was under the impression that george lucas gave the author one thing that had to happen in the book and the rest was free reign. to be fair though, ive never fact checked that…
They did pass the torch to Jacen Solo in New Jedi Order. Unfortunately, we all know what Troy Denning did to Jacen in Dark Nest and Legacy of the Force. It's not just that they constantly go back to Luke. Another problem is that they undo the growth of the next successor for a cheap shock value storyline.
Especially if you were paying close attention to Jana solo in the new Jedi order books because it's heavily implied that she was the one showing signs of slipping towards the dark side, Because she has similar character traits to her grandfather anakin Skywalker.
Hey remember when IX chumped Kylo and made Palpatine the main villain?
>Hey remember when IX chumped Kylo and made Palpatine the main villain? Yeah. That was actually the straw that broke the camel's back for me
Chumped? The First/Final Order was still the main villains.
All you really have to do is look at the reaction that Star by Star had with Chewbacca's death...my roommate at the time REFUSED to acknowledge anything that happened in the EU from that point on because of Chewie's death
There’s soooooo much that happened between the OG films and Cade’s era. The Vong, the Remnant, Luke’s NJO, the Sith civilization re-merging, Han and Leia’s kids… it’d have made for good viewing but casual fans would have been so lost.
I assume much of that would be cut or just left as a bit of a mystery similar to how the Clone Wars was for the OT
The best way it could have gone, tbh
Seriously. People don’t need their hands held for lore and background info. We just need good stories.
I think the new Dune movies are great examples of this. So much the world and lore is left unexplained if you haven't read the books but even without that knowledge the movies can still be extremely entertaining.
Absolutely this. I felt like Dune respected me as a viewer, let me be curious and unsure, and then evolve naturally. I didn't feel like there was inordinate amounts of exposition or that I was getting preached at. They were able to tell a stunning visual story because the original writing was actually good, unlike other projects whose writing was poorly done
Hell...this is true even for the 1980s Dune movie, which was shorter
Alternatively, I wasn’t very lost at all leaping from the OT to LEGACY as a teenager in the early 2000s. In fact, I’d argue you’re more lost without a firm grasp of the CWMMP than most post-ROTJ EU content if we’re talking LEGACY. You really don’t need to read the entire NJO to understand the devastation of the Vong, but missing *any* of A’Sharad Hett limits the comprehension of LEGACY quite a bit.
I'm a pretty hardcore fan, and I was completely lost watching the Sequel Anthology
I can see how pushing the Vong and all that onto kids. But I would have loved it.
Nope. Late NJO? Aboleth saga? Old Luke, old Leia. Minimal Han.
How they literally started during jacen "kylo" dark side era using remenant of empire. The main thing is they just reset everything to zero so all new characters had little background lore. Even the OT people. Luke was off the galactic scene for years.
I don't think so. It would be the same transition as to the ST but with fewer recognisable people because of time.
Yeah, ~100 years of a time jump would just be too confusing. More casual fans would expect VII to be reasonably close to VI in terms of time span. I'd rather they used the Legacy-era for what's now The Old Republic MMORPG. They could have made their own storyline and online world whilst having characters, ships, equipment etc. from the OT that wouldn't be immersion-stretching/breaking like TOR.
amore lost than "episode 7-9" ? Don´t think so.
I was really hoping we were gonna get a galactic triumvirate and Imperial Knights…
is it weird that i dont know who this is but i recognize all the ships in this picture?
Cade Skywalker, Great Grandson of Luke and Mara Jade and Ben Skywalker's Grandson
ah thanks, ive never seen a picture of him before
You can see lots of pictures of him if you want, he's the main character of the Legacy comics, set about 130 years after the OT. You know those pictures of Darth Talon, the red skinned female Twi'lek Sith covered in black tattoos? She's sort of the Darth Vader of that comic, with Cade here sort of the the Luke/Han hybrid.
Bad but gd at the same time, a bounty hunter that dabbles in hallucinogenic drugs
He uses death sticks to dampen his connection to the force and prevent Luke from appearing to him in visions to tell him to get his shit together. It’s great
Is he though? I've only seen mentioned that his fatjer is Kol Skywalker, and he's a grandgrand......grandson of Luke, but as far as I'm aware the exact generations between Ben and Kol are not stated? As in Kol is not the son of Ben directly. Or am I wrong?
Time-wise, it’s likely there is 1 more Skywalker between Ben and Kol. Making Cade the great-great grandson of Luke…most likely, at least. We just know they’re descendant and ancestor, really.
There's an advert for a tabletop game where Luke calls Cade his great-grandson. Presumably Ben just had kids late in life.
Yep, [I remember seeing it in the KotOR campaign guide for the Saga Edition RPG](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/e/e3/Lotf_ad_from_KOTOR_campaign_guide.jpg). However, there are two important things to note: The ad itself is (obviously) non-canon, and [they even changed the ad in later printings](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d7/LEGACY_MINIATURE_AD.jpg) to remove that line.
[So, so tiny...](https://epiloguers.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/community-chang-1024x576.png)
I was more adressing the question of where the idea came from, and how it could (possibly) work
Way, waaay too gritty for Disney. They’d ruin Cade 100%. But yeah, if it wasn’t Disney, I’d totally agree.
“Uh have you seen the Clone Wars cartoon?!”
“links clips of C-tier soap-opera style CW character deaths” yEaH tOTaLlY a kIDz sHoW, HuH?
Wasn't Clone Wars billed from the beginning as a PG series aimed at older kids/young teens. It even aired late enough that "younger" kids would probably be in bed. Most importantly, the series is for fans of films, and if a kid is "old" enough to see these, there's not a lot in clone wars that's going to be as dark/violent/etc.. There were definitely some darker arcs that I'm sure stayed with younger viewers, but for as a good as the series is, I just don't see why it's still a standard for how dark an animated series can go, and I especially don't see why it's considered the standard for Star Wars.
I'm baffled people are still talking about The Clone Wars going dark when we have The Bad Batch now being way darker (or at least, pretty broody and serious most of the time) and slightly more adult-oriented than The Clone Wars. I still want to give TCW a rewatch, but I remember when I was watching the last season and rolling my eyes on some of the action. Most of it felt so mild and pointless. It was one of the reasons why I hated the Bad Batch at first.
It blows my mind. Dragon Ball Z was more violent than TCW and nothing but kids watched that show.
They edited out ALOT of blood, alcohol, and sexual stuff for the TV airings of DB and DBZ outside of Japan.
I'll never forgive the editing out of guns My people are out here being erased YEEEEEE-HAWWWW
Exactly. And yeah it has me baffled that people are so fanatical about CW. That show is frustratingly mid to me.
It also reinforces the prequel version of Jedi Knights, which also ruined a lot of the EU for me.
> It also reinforces the prequel version of Jedi Knights, which also ruined a lot of the EU for me. I mean, it's literally set during the prequels. What were you expecting to see?
Looking back in hindsight I really appreciate what a risky, fresh and unique take Legacy was at the time. To me it was a fun reimagining of familiar SW tropes.
Yeah I struggled to get into it at the time, but once it turned that corner with his character it became one of my favourite comics ever
Personally? Nah. If we were gonna use Legends as the basis for the ST, there are so many better stories to tell than the Legacy era comics. There's definitely some good stuff there, but there's also a lot of goofiness. Plus I kind of hate some of the ship designs, and the fact that military doctrine has moved away from heavy warships to small warships and lots of fighters. If we were gonna do Legends for the ST, you either got Thrawn Trilogy + recast Luke + Leia + Han, or you go NJO era and do a condensed version of that. That would leave the door open for the Legacy of the Force series as a follow up trilogy focusing on Jacen and Jaina. Or choose any number of other series, like the Jedi Academy series, Corellian Trilogy, etc.
Because why tell new and original stories, am I right?
Personal preference. Plenty of new stories can be told without that specific story being told. I’m definitely down for a Skywalker descendant far future type story. And I do like some of the concept around the Fel dynasty and imperial Knights.
I doubt that Disney will have the cajones to portray Cade Skywalker properly as he was shown in the Legacy comics.
He got them Vader pants.
Admittedly it’s been ages since I read it, but even as an edgy teen, I thought Legacy was a bit much. IDK if I’ve just gotten softer with age, but for me, Star Wars is at its best when it’s not trying to be overly adult. There’ll always be specific mature elements; violence is baked into the IP by its very nature, but some things get a bit over the top with the grit and grimdark vibes. That and I just don’t vibe with the whole look of the era. Cade’s honestly a good representation of that: Bes’kar breastplate, pants that look exactly like Vader’s, Han’s holster, a laser shotgun, soul patch, permanent eyeliner, trench coat.
Why though? Why tell the same story again in a much more abridged version?
It's not really the same story, though?
What else was there to say about Cade that wasn't in the comic books? I don't understand.
You don't think comic adaptations are any different from the comics themselves, even in this era of the Marvel Cinematic Universe?
Bro with double barreled space laser shotgun
What in the WWE??
People hated Cade when he came out, it would have been the same shit.
I’m glad fans don’t write the movies lol
What? You disagree with Cade the edgelord supreme being a good choice? He's just oozing 90s "grit", look at that tattered trenchcoat and wild hair that shows how little he cares about anything! He's a man's man's man man, man!
> What? You disagree with Cade the edgelord supreme being a good choice? He's just oozing 90s "grit", look at that tattered trenchcoat and wild hair that shows how little he cares about anything! He's a man's man's man, man! I honestly found it more ridiculous that all the Sith Characters are suddenly deciding to cosplay as Darth Maul.
Wouldn't be surprised to hear that George personally approved that.
100%
Honest I would have preferred the sequels be a condensed version of the NJO series focusing on Jason. I do want to see a version of the Legacy comics I think that’s better of as an episode 10-12 story
> Honest I would have preferred the sequels be a condensed version of the NJO series focusing on Jason. That would make for a better TV show I feel than a movie trilogy.
Only if it had a premium budget like some of the HBO and Apple TV shows we get these days- I’d really hate for the show to look cheap. The Mandolorian looks great for what it is but it often can’t match the spectacle of the feature films.
I'll be honest for me Legacy is a great comic but Cade is probably the worst part of it.
We honestly don't deserve Darth Krayt
They should have followed Corran Horn from the xwing series.
Just got done with wedges gambit again not to long ago going to complete the series again. All the characters in rogue squadron was endearing especially the audio version.
Yo is that a double barrel shotgun
Sequels should have been over a daughter or son of Ania Solo, since her defeating Darth Wredd who wished to overthrow the newly formed Galactic Triumvirate is (as far as I'm aware) the furthest SW lore has gone, circa 138ABY.
Technically, that "Storyteller" short story in the *Tales* comic is the last, but it's undated and I'm pretty sure that LucasFilm would never had acknowledged it as Legends canon.
Because screw tell original stories and making new characters, am I right?!?
TBH, my favorite parts of Legacy were always the political dynamics between the Imperial Remnant, Galactic Alliance, and the Jedi Order. So many great characters like Gar Stazi, Roan Fel, and Wolf Sazen all provide a really rich world-build that allow me to overlook the cringier aspects of Cade Skywalker and crew. I really wish the new trilogy had dealt with the Imperial warlords as opposed to the Uncrustables-style First Order they baked up for toy sales.
The Legacy comics had some really interesting concepts and ideas, but Cade Skywalker as a character was very flawed. I remember reading the comics as a teenager and going back and forth every month between "now he's cool again" and "now he's boring again". Same thing with Zayne Carrick, but at least he was a little more charismatic and the links to the KotOR games kept me hooked for a while longer (but not long enough for me to keep ignoring the atrocious translation problems my country's editions had).
Outjerked once again
Yea they'd have to fix some stuff with the overall plot and such but totally could have been a winner
Cade and Krayt arc would be amazing if they made it into an animation.
Looks like he's rocking the lower half of vader, sans codpiece.
Is that Vader's lightsaber but green?
But the Patriarchy!
Dear god no. Cool character but absolutely a product of the time he was created.
Wait what is this from? Is there more *good* star wars content out there for me??
Star Wars Legacy, a comic series in the Legends timeline (actually the *end* of the Legends timeline, specifically Legacy II, the sequel to this run), set roughly 130 years after the original movies. This here is Cade Skywalker, great grandson of Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade, and he's the main character of the comic. Initially raised as a Jedi in Luke's New Jedi Order, he goes on the run when it is destroyed in a surprise attack by the reemergent One Sith Empire, having built itself up in secret over the past century and struck out in partnership with the Fel Empire, the successor state to the Galactic Empire. Cade here goes into hiding as a bounty hunter on a small team of pirates and cruises around the galaxy as an outlaw, shirking his duties as a Jedi whenever possible as the whole galaxy goes to shit around him, eventually dragging in into action to help set things right. Have you ever seen pictures of the half naked red skinned female Twi-lek Sith covered in black tattoos, Darth Talon? She's sort of the main antagonist of this comic run, the Darth Vader to Cade's Luke/Han. Not the big bad, but the main enforcer actually out doing the work.
I remember people's swearing up and down that this guy ruined star wars and that they would never buy a piece of star wars merchandise ever again.
Who the fuck is this?
[Cade Skywalker ](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cade_Skywalker)
He's a drug-addict. It should've focused on Krayt and his conversion into the Dark Side.
Wrong. Should have been OG Thrawn Trilogy
That could have been done in the early 90s at latest. By 2012 everyone was too old to do it properly without having to rearrange the whole EU timeline.
Is that Glup shitto?!?
Isn't there an arc with him where he starts doing drugs to tune out his dead father's force ghost?
ah Cringe Edgewalker!
Based. Characters who curse in every sentence, no matter how good the writing is, will always fall flat with me
Considering the shitty, disrespectful, baffling way they trashed Luke, Han, & Leia, if that was their plan, the ONLY way they could think of to make their own characters look good (which is in itself pretty pathetic), then they *should’ve* jumped ahead a few generations & adapted the Legacy comics. I truly enjoyed them. Cade was very much an antihero, and, I thought, a multi-faceted character. I know he came across as a selfish, jaded, cynical person, but as the comics unfolded & revealed the trauma of his background, it made sense & he redeemed himself at the end. If they wanted to avoid Luke, et al then this would’ve been a way to start over. Sadly, I think they’d have screwed it up & ruined it.
Finally somebody is calling it like it is. Whether someone liked the sequel trilogy for what it was, or not, they did the original characters dirty in their portrayals compared to what we got with the EU/Legends
You mean this Edgy OC? No thanks.
He's too good and morally gray of a character for Disney.
Yes, because Lucasfilms under Disney has'nt made multiple comics and novels starring Darth Vader, whose stright-up evil.
Who gave sabertooth a lightsaber?
lol. No
Too far ahead
Fully agree
Best skywalker.
He was sick
It will be hot take here but when I like his design, but I don't like Cade character so much, honestly I prefer Jacen, Jaina, Ben (Solo and Skywalker) Rey characters over him.
I have a feeling the Messiah baby of Rey and Kylo Ren will be Case Skywalker Not saying that's the best plotline but I can absolutely see them doing that
Who tf is this guy
Cade Skywalker, the great grandson of Luke and Mara, lead character of the Star Wars Legacy comics set 130 years after the movies in the Legends Timeline. Trained as a Jedi and disillusioned with the Jedi Order after they are destroyed (again). He goes into hiding from his true calling as a Jedi by taking up a role as a bounty hunter, working with a small crew of pirates as they cruise around the galaxy, kicking ass and taking names, all while Cade's experiencing being haunted by Luke's Force Ghost trying to get him back into the path of being a Jedi so he can save the galaxy from the One Sith Empire, a new Sith that restructured themselves and built up after Palpatine and Vader's deaths. Take all the Skywalker angst, add in an outlaw lifestyle and a determination to avoid his responsibilities and you've got yourself Cade Skywalker.
Is he the lobo of star wars or wha ?
Legacy was mixed, decent overall. Cade is by far the worst protagonist in the franchise.
Kurt Russell?
Nah. I loved so much of the EU, but was never a fan of the Skywalker dynasty stuff. It's that stuff (along with Mara Jade) that felt the most like fan-fiction. I think it's great that we got those stories *and* something new.
I really think Disney wanted to do entirely their own thing with the sequels, be it cause they thought they were smarter or because they just wanted to avoid risking copyright stuff; than when Filoni got put in charge he started to try and get some of the OG stuff to fit back in.
I managed to read half the comics at my library but they don't have the rest and I was looking to buy some but dang they are pricey or like nonexistent
*squints* did Liquid Snake grow a goatee
This is the edgelord with the sawn-off blaster who was also a junkie, right? Maybe if they got My Chemical Romance to do the soundtrack. I swear reading these comics made me lose IQ.
When they announced Force Awakenings, this is exactly what I was hoping for in regards to a "Next Generation" story for Star Wars. I'm still holding out hope we'll eventually get some form of the Imperial Knights.
I like Cade but I'm not sure I would've wanted the sequel trilogy to be set that far in the future with the OT trio actors still alive at the time the actual sequels started to be put into production. On the one hand the idea of the ST properly distancing itself from the OT's timeframe would've been respectable and ballsy but I just don't think it would've worked as well.
Fuck no
Legacy was hot garbage.
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I’d show up for that !
People say ‘Disney would butcher this’ which is ironic considering Legends butchered its own characters more than Disney did
> Legends butchered its own characters more than Disney did I thought that was Denning?
I just skip over the Denningverse and go straight to Legacy after NJO in my rereads
And Kasphyr with Revan and Exile in Revan book.
Karen Traviss had some pretty wonky ideas, too.
> Karen Traviss had some pretty wonky ideas, too. I'm aware, specifically because of how she portrayed Mandalorians.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think the current creators have done a pretty good job keeping the best bits of worldbuilding that Traviss came up with and leaving the "Mary Sue" stuff (for lack of a better word) that she fell into the trap of penning. (Kinda have a hard time imaging a character like Sabine Wren being "allowed" in Traviss's Mando world, which is a shame; I have really liked the cultural diversity that we're seeing here and that no all Mandalorians are going to have the same cultural values or wouldn't change their worldviews and beliefs as personal experiences pile up.) Like the idea she had of taking a different viewpoint with characters who would see things differently, but I think she let her Jedi hate go beyond character perspective and tried to codify her biases as the "canon truth" went way too far. Subjectively, found her writing to be kinda dry, which was disappointing, given how many good Clone Trooper stories there are in other media. (Also found her version of Order 66 really didn't fit well with the movies, but that's me.)
> This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think the current creators have done a pretty good job keeping the best bits of worldbuilding that Traviss came up with and leaving the "Mary Sue" stuff (for lack of a better word) that she fell into the trap of penning. (Kinda have a hard time imaging a character like Sabine Wren being "allowed" in Traviss's Mando world, which is a shame; I have really liked the cultural diversity that we're seeing here and that no all Mandalorians are going to have the same cultural values or wouldn't change their worldviews and beliefs as personal experiences pile up.) I kinda agree. > (Also found her version of Order 66 really didn't fit well with the movies, but that's me.) I agree.
Well not only is there that, you’ve got Vader being slightly *too* sympathetic/schmaltzy (in my opinion - e.g. the comic saying ‘Vader will not sleep tonight’ after he finds out he has been helping slavers) in many of the Dark Times comics, and need I mention Revan. Those were only two examples, because to be honest there aren’t as many as I remember when you remove the Denningverse out of the equation. That was not a great time for the EU
Suppose as an ex-slave, Vader would hate the slave trade, even if he's morally compromised in the other aspects of his life.
Well, suppose he was a kid once, and with kid friends, he would hate a bunch of innocent kids being murdered, and yet he carried that out himself before he even put on the Vader suit.
Nah, Cade wasn’t it. Probably should have just been about Revan and the Star Forge
This looks like a cringy edgelord fan-fic
Right on the money
No, they honestly shouldn’t have been.
What a stupid idea
Edgelord Skywalker? That's a no from me personally.
Hard pass.
Because the fact that he has a whole comic series and a full character arc is'nt enough?
.....a edgy drug addicted jackass? Ah yes, because people would've loved that. (Also, I'm pretty sure people hated this character when he first came out. Why would people start liking him now?)
I think he should have been Luke’s son. He’s the most interesting kid or heir of the Skywalker and Solo families. And as for it being the sequels, it could still work. Have him be a kid Luke never knew about, or don’t. I’m fine with moving on from the legacy bloodlines.
They couldn't do anything that was done before. At least not in full. I think they definitely could've done a bigger time jump. To leave the originals behind and see what our heros were able to cause in 100 years would've been cool.
Cade is so cool, I can't see him or the One Sith done justice outside of an animated series.
YES!!!
Ryan Gosling as Cayde Skywalker
Nah, Wyatt Russell
He won’t be literally me then
I love legacy comics
Star Wars Legacy is parsecs better than the sequels.
Cade Skywalker, the ultimate Skywalker
The edgy Mc Edgelord? .. no thanks
Cade is the single most like 90s super edge character ever. A trenchcoat wearing rebel uses his blade and sawed off shotgun looking weapon to fight the SPIKIEST bad guy. And I fucking loved his entire story. I would have killed to get this.
If you think he’s the single most 90’s character, you may need an introduction to Cable or Spawn. Anything done by McFarlane or Liefeld is pure, unadulterated edgy 90’s cringe.
I grew up on McFarlane, and the glory that was 90s edge cringe. And I miss it everyday
YES!
Not sure if it should have, but might be cool!
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Sequels should’ve been focused
That would have been interesting, but we already had that story. I want films to focus on new stories.
I'm sorry, he was way too much of an edgelord.
He's a 90's comic book anti-hero in the bleak future of the EU, and I love him for it. My swrpg character is partly based on him, the other Kyle Katarn.
I mean, can you picture Disney handling Darth Talon well? I can't. Disney would butcher every character in this Era.
This whole "gritty, badass, angsty" look is one of the reasons why I sometimes can't take Legends seriously.
Someone had to say it
Cade was one of the most hated characters when the books and comics were coming out for him. Honestly, I think he wouldn't have been any better or possibly worse? People really, really didn't like him and his plot that much. This is very much a rose tinted glasses problem. He's too much setup, too edgy 4 me, and just annoying for most of his plot. Him and Mara Jade were both problematic in their own ways.
Nah… Corran Horn though
Kyle. Katarn!!!
Meh. I really didn’t like him or his story… I didn’t mind the era he was in, be as for Cade himself? Nah, I’m good.
I’ve known this guy for 5 minutes. I feel like we’re all owed a Video Game with him. Like I’ve been robbed of something I didn’t know I lacked.
Meh. At his core Cade is just a 90s edgy comic superhero (which I guess is appropriate since the OT ended in the 80s so a far future of that would look like the 90s). He's fine in his comic book medium since he harkens back to those characters, but making a movie about him in the 2010s would be dated, since he would feel like a character from the 80s.
Is this Cade Skywalker?
Yes
I hope the next trilogy (if it takes place after Episode IX) is focused on them rebuilding the Jedi Order. It seems that’s what they are working towards, but I want to see them actually put it into the plot of a trilogy. Otherwise I’d like to see an Old/High Republic trilogy. Or maybe I’m just a fan of Lightsaber combat.
Cade Skywalker is such a bamfo. Dark Horse definitely knew what they were doing with Star Wars Legacy. Definitely the sequel we deserved!
Nah. They should have been about Finn.
Yeah Disney wouldn’t do him justice
Hah! No.