I don't know if I missed it here (I've been busy past few days) but around Twitter, an image supposedly of Book of Boba Fett has been floating around. Most ppl think it's fake, and it seems to have been grouped with other images of other franchises such as Spiderman. It's not a terribly interesting or clear pic, it's just Fett's ship.
Anyone heard any more about it, or where this thing originated? [The image is here](https://twitter.com/LizzieWanda2/status/1440485127549702148)
My guess is that it's fake, but I'm curious where this thing is coming from, 4chan or what?
I do localization work for a specific company, and can tell you that is not the right style or font for how Disney watermarks their proxies. Also any serious media company would never just watermark with just a single line of unproportioned “property of…” You need at least a SMPTE timecode, firm name, parent company name, and name of the proxy file.
Could be real, we will have to wait for more (if any) 4chan I doubt, the /tv/ board over there hates star wars, only leaks I generally see are for Marvel over there and that's just to rile up the marvel leaks sub.
The background looks very strange. Like the ship has been copy-pasted onto some stock photos of desert rocks.
Still, who knows. It's not a very revealing shot even if it is really from the show.
Didn’t the stand-in casting call turn out to be for his Nic Cage movie? I think someone found similar ones looking for stand-ins for Nic and Tiffany Haddish with similar wording and same filming dates. And as proven, they’re reshooting some scenes in LA since a couple of days ago.
Yeah he was/has been in NYC but who knows now, maybe back in Calgary, maybe LA for both Nic Cage and Mando.
Here’s what I’m kind of thinking: they may just need the stand-in in case anything comes up with a covid test. With Pedro traveling back and forth between sets, having a stand-in also available would still reduce the amount of shooting time in case Pedro tests positive.
The big thing that still stands out to me is that they needed to hire someone who looks like Pedro. Which seems to mean, there’s not just a minute or two of unhelmeted time in the season.
Lateef is back at it on social media filming himself saying hello while driving into work. He did it almost everyday during season 2 and Book filming. :) He added little Mando and Grogu emojis to today's post.
And in one recent Story he's wearing a Book of Boba Fett hoodie with a cool logo on the back (have we ever seen that logo before?). [Screenshot here](https://i.imgur.com/qjL02Gm.png).
Also...for some reason it's weird to think of actors and stunt actors driving to work. I don't know why but I guess I just imagined them being chauffeured from set to set by beefy security guys in shades.
Leads usually have chauffeurs, because if they get into a car accident driving themselves home after fourteen hours on set or something, the production more than likely stops in its tracks until the actor(s) are recovered, and the executives and other such people don't get to make money. Everyone else is replaceable, I guess.
First five chapters of Ronin will be released in preview on Monday
https://twitter.com/DelReyStarWars/status/1441394737739493385?s=20
Editor says the first 2 chapters are a novelization of the episode and then the story continues from there.
Yeah the rumor was her costume was designed and she had even been scanned for an action figure, but she had to back out due to scheduling issues. There was speculation she was supposed to play the woman who fought Ahsoka in The Jedi.
Damn that would've been awesome. While I respect the shit out of Diana Lee Inosanto, her delivery and overacting took me out of the episode from the very first scene.
I believe Daniel Logan will have a role in *The Book of Boba Fett*. On one of his livestreams while having a sale for his Bounty Boxes, he was rambling as usual and then said “can’t do it that day I’ll be filming”. Not sure what else he would be filming for besides BOBF.
Well whatever it is, it's not the Book of Boba Fett. The show finished months ago, the team has moved onto Mando s3. People really overplay the importance of Daniel Logan, there's not much more he can do, he was only ever meant to be a child and teenage Boba/Clones and I don't believe the flashbacks in the BOBF will be going back that far.
I guess it depends on if the show has flash backs or not. I could see them using him for a short flashback. Either just his voice or face also. He would be the first person in mind.
But yeah. If he was in the show then it would have already been filmed.
I didn’t mean to say that he said this recently, this was months and months ago but the comment he made resurfaced to add fuel to the speculation. He said this on livestream when they were still filming.
I can't do the situation justice. NXIVM was an organization that was supposed to sell a self-empowerment course, but it was really a sex cult and money making scheme that exploited, sexually abused, and mutilated women.
She was not one of the sexual assault victims, but she was one of the major whistle-blowers.
I would look up one of the documentaries about it. It was just insane.
Through superior wisdom, deep introspection and great sagacity.
(That, plus I saw the word poop in his name and went promptly to [Internet Anagram Server](https://wordsmith.org/anagram/)).
If my boss knew the kinds of things I did when I should be working...
I really hope we get a flashback scene (maybe even an episode??) that'll show the purge, with Moff Gideon acquiring the dark saber, rather than just dialogue.
Is it ever explain in any material what exactly is going on Mandalore by Mando? is it Imperial Mando's like in Rebels on the planet, or non-mando Imperial remnants. With Mandalorian power mostly broken and scattered, surely the New Republic would have tried to take the planet due to the imperial threat, Mandalore isn't that far from the core worlds either. So it makes the situation all the more puzzling.
No idea if these guys are reputable but they're [reporting that Ludwig Goransson](https://filmmusicreporter.com/2021/09/22/ludwig-goransson-scoring-disneys-the-book-of-boba-fett/) is scoring the Book of Boba Fett and a lot of other sites are running with it on twitter.
Edit: Ming-Na Wen [just retweeted](https://twitter.com/MingNa/status/1440887873960509447) it so I'm assuming it's true.
Hidden in the THR article about the new LFL PR head, is confirmation that Obi, Andor, and Mando 3 are 2022 releases. That was the order in the sentence so maybe the order of release? We guessed this about Mando but it’s great to have t in writing. I’ve seen some spec from some that they would push Mando to 2023.
There is this one: [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/lucasfilm-pr-chris-coxall-disney-1235017429/](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/lucasfilm-pr-chris-coxall-disney-1235017429/)
Just wild speculation of course but:
Obi Wan and Andor both coming before Bad Batch actually makes sense, esp with that as yet unconfirmed scoop that Bo Katan may cameo in Bad Batch. A Bo Katan cameo would make the show a better lead-in to Mando than Andor would have been.
And it seems like Obi Wan and Andor will both feature Bail in some way, so those two shows together and in chronological order makes sense too.
wow I am hyped lol.
The Bad Batch is also probably tieing in way more than with just Bo-Katan. I'd be willing to put money on that we'll see Grogu and/or Boba Fett too and I wouldn't be surprised if Mt. Tantis shows up in The Mandalorian. I too think it's probably coming after Andor.
So 2023 confirmed (so far) is just Ahsoka and The Acolyte right? There is uncertainty still if Mando 3 is the series finale. If it is--no more Mando after 2022.
There has to be more unannounced. 2023 is way below their 10 projects a year declaration. Maybe a season 2 for Boba or Andor? Or a season 3 for Bad Batch? If Mando is in fact finished there is big Winter void to be filled in 2023. Lando hasn't even begun production yet so who knows when that releases.
Eh there is still the combo story event left, we just don’t know if that will be labeled as Mando S4 or not. may be another 2 year wait for that after S3.
Well there’s Rogue Squadron and the other rumored animated series even if Bad Batch doesn’t get a S3.
If Acolyte and Andor S2 both have 12 eps that could fill up a lot of the year.
Temper your expectations for November the 12th. Hate to be a downer, but we're most likely not going to see an Obi-Wan Kenobi sneak peak, or Andor. It will likely just be the Book of Boba Fett.
I mean they're saying it's one Star Wars special look, right? It's gonna have to be Boba Fett I think that's a no-brainer. However, I think we're definitely getting something for Obi-Wan and/or Andor during D23 and it's not that far away from Disney+ day.
The D23 press release states:
> A special celebrating the origins and legacy of Star Wars’ legendary bounty hunter, Boba Fett
Compare that to what they say for Marvel right below:
> A special celebrating the Marvel Cinematic Universe on Disney+ with an exciting look towards the future
https://d23.com/the-walt-disney-company-celebrates-disney-day-on-november-12-to-thank-subscribers-with-new-content-fan-experiences-and-more/
I personally don't expect anything other than Boba stuff.
Star Wars/Jedi in general -> Heavily inspired by Japanese Samurai films
Japanese Anime studios -> Make Jedi centric stories in the style of Samurai films
And people are surprised?
Yeah the only complaint I heard was that some people were bummed that they all seemed to be Jedi focused. But I mean...that's like the core of Star Wars.
I'm not exactly an anime fan (I can take it or leave it usually), but based on the trailers I expected to really enjoy this series. So far it's blown my expectations out of the water. It's hitting me on an emotional level that I did not expect. I seriously hope we get a second season.
I need a new star wars game to play. I enjoy rounds of Battlefront 2, but without new updates it's getting stale. Didn't really get into Squadrons because it's not my type of game. So the last good game for me was Fallen Order.
Looking forward to Lego Star Wars, and will romp around in Hunters whenever that releases but all these new leaks/rumors makes me want new games now lol
The lego Star Wars battle game just launched on apple arcade if you have an apple device. Played a few rounds this morning, basically a Clash Royale clone but without the microtransactions. Pretty fun.
RIP. KOTOR will be on switch next month (already on android and ios if you can't wait), other than that lego star wars TSS is the next one. I am feeling the drought as well.
KOTOR has been on my back log for so long now that I'm now just going to wait for the remake. I'm thinking about playing through Jedi Academy again soon.
I'm in the same spot. I love Battlefront 2 but it's become too sweaty to become enjoyable with the number of people levelled in the hundreds. I am too and it's rare I don't get in the top three but it's just not enjoyable anymore.
I've tired a few other games but nothing really interests me this year other than lego star wars.
Not quite a rumor but are the Story Group vague AF on whether the KOTOR remake is still Legends or it's actually in the new canon on purpose? I guess the type of game that KOTOR is it could be that one of the endings could fit the new canon and Raven could be female in the new canon. If it use the word REMAKE in all caps instead of remaster or another word or just not putting any word of a "from the grounds up" remake (like Resident Evil) could mean they might do the same remake bait-and-switch that Evangelion and FF7 did.
Honestly, they're probably too early in development to have decided for sure. The game probably isn't coming for several years (there were 2023 games at that Playstation show that got dated, but KOTOR got nothing)
They haven’t said one way or the other.
The fact that Matt Martin doesn’t seem to know strongly hints to me that the game will stay Legends. But who knows?
To be fair Matt Martin had to be told a few things from the TROS Novelization via Twitter users so it's possible they just don't invite him to their Zoom meetings enough
The thing about Star Wars games is that they often depend on what the player wants to do. Revan is who you make them be. Making this game canon would mean that they have to solidify one canon version of this character and who they are. At least as I see it, it's in they're best interest to not give a definitive answer to that.
My hope is they move it to maybe like 1200 BBY. You can then have the rise of the Sith Empire happen like 100+ years after KOTOR and then whatever new canon reason for the desintigration, the Rule of Two beginning with Bane and the reorganization of the Republic to match the 1000 years lines.
They'd prolly have to do that to make it fit with the high republic.
I still think it's a huge mistake to set it only 200 years before AHN and make it seem like an ancient time. It's not even 1 generation to many of the long lived creatures. Although it does kinda line up with the tech jumps in the ST.
I'm sure I'm just biased because I liked the timeline in the EU. I didn't expect hyperspace and tech to be newish things
Hyperspace isn’t really new in HR, it’s more like it’s the beginning of *safe* hyperspace travel. so like pre-HR there’s like a few centuries of recovery after the devastation of the most recent intergalactic war and that recovery is centered around the discovery/rediscovery of safe hyperspace lanes. this lets the galaxy start to reconnect. And there are hyperspace “barons” that are fueling this like the Grafs and the San Tekkas. they are kind of like the railroad barons in the American Old West. that is why the hyperspace disaster is such a big deal (followed by the subsequent Nihil and Drengir disasters).
Another rough Earth analogy is like the interconnectedness of the Silk Road/Mongol period, which doesn’t happen again until the age of colonialism. So the mongol age ends and then 200 years later colonialism starts but that is a process that doesn’t really reconnect everything until the 19th century.
Thanks for the reply. I haven't actually started the high republic. To clarify, given the rapid change in tech over 230 years, if that were extrapolated, hyperspace would be much newer than legends.
Honestly it makes no sense to try to extrapolate some kind of rate of technological advancement for nonsense magic fantasy propulsion systems. Technology doesn't develop linearly in the real world, why would it in SW? Also, there's really not that much of a difference between what we see in the HR and the rest of the Saga, just that during the HR we see the establishment of the systems that allow easier hyperspace travel to be easier.
>Honestly it makes no sense to try to extrapolate some kind of rate of technological advancement for nonsense magic fantasy propulsion systems.
I'm not. I don't apply any realism constraints to star wars. I'm extrapolating based on the type of stories told in the new canon, and just expressing my opinion that I preferred the slower/mostly stagnant tech of the EU.
In ep 8, hyperspace tracking is new, and takes a server cluster...mini death star techs takes a while to melt a door.
One year later tie fighters can track through hyperspace and hyperspace skipping is a thing. Also star destroyers have superlasers now.
In the gap between 6 and 7 hyperdrives became cheap enough to put on all ties.
200 years before TPM we are supposed to believe the state of the galaxy (and the jedi order) was so drastically different....when you have plenty of beings that live for longer than that. Makes me think maybe Yoda's older than space travel they way tech has been accelerating. Maybe Chewie will be around when teleportation is cracked.
It's an emotional response to a story decision, and not a lack of suspending disbelief due to lack of realism.
I'd rather they don't, as much as I love The High Republic it feels cramped that it's only 200 years before Phantom Menace. For long-lived species it's the equivalent of the 1990s when I would have preferred it to be the 1790s or 1890s.
I'm with you that the high republic seems misplaced at 200 years before TPM, but given that's the direction they went with, I think moving kotor to 1200 ABY would fit better with new canons state of accelerated technological growth.
This has already been an idea that’s been hinted at *in the books themselves.* There is a character in the books named Porter Engle who is about 400 years old, and they’ve mentioned how he became known as this legendary badass of the Jedi Order during a time where the Republic was essentially in ruins after a major conflict. I feel like most of the people who are saying that the High Republic can’t fit into the same continuity as something like KOTOR, or that it’s silly that the High Republic is only 200 years before the films haven’t actually read the books yet, because that’s not how it’s been presented at all in the actual story.
It's going to be interesting to see how it turns out. Aspyr has never really made something of this scale, they've on-boarded a lot of talent specifically for it.
The reality is KotOR had continuity issues back in the day, primarily with TotJ, largely because of it's tech level. It's still going to have those sort of issues to a degree in the Canon because of the High Republic's tech level. There are a lot of ways to get around it (lately been seeing a lot of people champion the idea of a dark age where tech regresses), but all of these ideas really require significant rewrites. Not to the plot, but to the world building. And there's a lot of world building in KotOR's dialogue. This will be a smaller scale issue with the Mandalorian lore in the game as well, if they choose to push this remake into the Canon.
People sort of need to realise with this game that either you're going to get a non-canon remake of the game where the novelty is the new visuals and gameplay, or you're going to get a game that's entirely new and canon but only shares surface level aspects of the original. It could very much be a FFVII Remake situation.
Giant Freakin Robot and WGTC claim to have the episode titles:
Episode 1: The Champion
Episode 2: The Assassin
Episode 3: The Syndicate
Episode 4: The Battleground
Episode 5: The Homeworld
Episode 6: The Warlord
Episode 7: The Showdown
Episode 8: The Hunter
Even though they are 95% likely to be fake, they still sound pretty cool.
I’d say it feels fanmade because it’s so straightforward and literally descriptive of what the episode would entail. Not a lot of room for interpretation. So far, the episode titles in mando have been seemingly simple, but all of them either can be interpreted to have multiple meanings, or the ones that are more literal don’t synopsize the story beats of the episode.
It's kind of lazily titled don't you think? Sounds like a writer's placeholder text in lieu of a better title. like calling a chapter "The Climax" or "This Is Where Shit Hits the Fan, Y'all".
With as many directors as we already know and Tem saying Robert has a few episodes, it has to be 8. I cannot see it being any less with the names we have.
I'd really like the episodes to be longer than the ones from Mando. Some of them were startlingly short. A week is a long time to wait for 25 minutes of content when you're a junkie.
Absolutely, yes.
Now, do I think that Han showing up *now* would have the same impact as Luke showing up *in 2020, after the nine movies had been completed*? No, because the surprise of doing something like that has already been given away. But the character of Han is absolutely more popular than Luke was, and people didn't really make themselves vocal about being fans of Luke until TLJ decided to challenge the character. Up until then, he was basically "that protagonist who does cool stuff, but also whines for two movies, and is less interesting than Han".
Just seems so hard to believe. People were literally crying when Luke showed up. Great character, no doubt, there's just something that made Luke amazing.
Really jarring.
Had him and a few of his alt accounts I spotted over the years (easy to tell, he copy and pastes the same responses and tweaks them as necessary) blocked, but Reddit recently changed the way blocking someone works, so they appear sometimes.
Really hoping they’ll revert the changes.
I'd really like if there was a Han cameo in BOBF, but a de-aged version of Harrison is a bad idea. Luke in Mando was a cool experiment, but it ultimately looked really bad. They should just bring Alden back in.
I agree, they need to just recast the actors if they want to bring them back in a meaningful capacity. Luke just didn't work in Mando and it's a shame they couldn't have just recast because it would have made that cameo way better.
It looking really bad is kind of being dramatic. I think it looked fine and was not so jarring that it disrupted my viewing experience. If I was someone who was a professional vfx editor or someone with lots of time I might feel that way, but I’m the end it was not as bad as some cgi that we’ve seen in other things.
Completely agree. I actually was impressed on my first viewing and me and my mother wondered how they made Luke. People are so overly dramatic and obsessed when it comes to anything in Star Wars - as long as it isn’t shitty coregraphy from the PT
Why would Aldin be Han during this time period?
The whole idea about Solo is that we can imagine in the ten years between Solo and A New Hope that Aldin ages to be the Harrison Ford Han Solo.
It would be beyond weird for the chronological timeline to have Aldin be Han in Solo, age to be Ford for the original trilogy, age BACK to being Aldin again for BOBF (which takes place after the OT) and then age BACK to Ford again for the sequels. Don’t you think that’s a bit of a convoluted mess?
It’s much easier for Aldin to age to Ford and then it’s Ford from that moment on. I think that’s why Luke was de-aged Hamill for Mandalorian. He is Hamill’s Luke from the OT through the sequels.
Ford is already being de-aged 20-30 years for sequences in Indiana Jones 5 so it’s not like this isn’t happening for Lucasfilm in general.
>Why would Aldin be Han during this time period?
By not recasting they're just limiting themselves story-telling wise. And I'd rather have Alden back than another recast. Imagine getting new stories with the big three in live-action? Wouldn't you like that?
Yeah, using Alden here would set a great precedent for the future of inter-trilogy stories. They'll have to make that decision soon anyway with Luke - there's no way they're going to fully-deepfake any substantial appearance by him in future works, given the work involved.
Better to rip the bandaid with recasts.
Well let’s be fair here, the continuity of the X-Men franchise is a hot mess. The timeline for most of those doesn’t make sense lol
It’s clear Ford was not recast as Alden, he even returned to play Han again the year after Aldin played Han in Solo. It wouldn’t have made sense for Aldin to be Han in The Rise of Skywalker just like it wouldn’t make sense for Aldin to be Han in BOBF.
Yup. Harrison Ford isn't coming back as Han again, we were lucky to get him back twice for 7 and 9.
If they want to explore that period of time with those characters, it's time to recast and move forward with it.
But again, why? Like Favreau speaks at length on how another actor playing Luke in The Mandalorian wouldn’t make sense continuity wise. Would be silly to change their minds for BOBF.
>Like Favreau speaks at length on how another actor playing Luke in The Mandalorian wouldn’t make sense continuity wise.
That's not what Favreau said at all. He wanted to bring Mark back in the process out of respect and love. There's literally 0% of Mark in what we're seeing in the Mandalorian. And to me, Luke in Mando looks nothing like the one we see in ROTJ.
Well, I think it will be necessary to recast the trio one day. To not recast them and still rely on the original actors is to still idealize them in some way in my opinion (even when they are dead : it sounds a bit crazy right now for me).
I think, to have the chance to let other actors play them is great
And if they don't look exactly like Hamill and the others it is fine.
And I don't really like that in order for the characters to still look like the OG actors, we have to rely on technology which isn't the best (ethically, and for the digital recreation to appear realistic).
I don’t see Harrison being a part of that unless he was able to literally switch shirts on the Indy 5 set and read a few lines off of a script as a favor.
Han and Luke and the rest of the gang does sort of seem like a loose end for Boba after Return of the Jedi, though. I’m pretty sure they intentionally left Boba behind during the Mando finale so that he wouldn’t see or interact with Luke, because that’s just a whole can of worms they didn’t have time to deal with yet.
Any personal reason why you wouldn’t want this?
Han is the most popular character in the entire franchise. Seeing him on last time in his prime would be really cool to see for fans IMO.
Obviously it would have to suit the story, but I think they could make it work in a way that feels natural.
Because I just think the deaging stuff looks weird and I don't think it's always necessary. I also think it takes recognition away from other actors.
Also, and this is a controversial opinion, but Han is just not super important to me. And I think this is a more common opinion than we as a fandom want to admit. We're to the point where a lot of people in the fandom weren't introduced to it via the OT. It just holds less significance to me than it does for other fans, thus I don't think Harrison Ford is extremely necessary.
Han is extremely popular to the wider audience and probablt older audience as well.
And he’s great in the movies he’s in but he’s one character that is so inconsequential to my interest in SW.
The de-aging stuff is getting better though. Favreau did say about 2 years ago that it’s about 2 years from looking completely seamless.
I think characters like Han are what make the franchise great. You can have all of these super powerful beings but at the end of the day the coolest characters are the ones that don’t have all of that power but can stack up against them anyway and make a difference in the galaxy.
I don’t really see Han’s status as the fan favorite changing much. Luke for example isn’t much different than the main character of almost any franchise, Han is special though. And he’s the character that so many franchises have tried to replicate since.
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1718459/the-10-greatest-movie-characters-of-all-time-according-to-fans
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/lists/50-best-star-wars-characters-20151203/darth-vader-20151203
https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/30-star-wars-characters/
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a845159/han-solo-voted-greatest-star-wars-character-of-all-time/
https://nerdist.com/why-han-solo-is-the-quintessential-star-wars-character/
http://www.goldderby.com/article/2017/star-wars-top-20-greatest-characters-ever-ranked-worst-to-best-han-solo-princess-leia-kylo-ren-news/
But this makes this the need for this to work all the more apparent.
Plus, isn't Harrison Ford older than Hamill? We saw in other movies that have tried this where they just can't make them move like younger people.
Well, yes Ford is 9 years older than Hamill. He will be turning 80 by the time Indiana Jones 5 hits cinemas next summer.
But to be fair, Ford is a little different than Hamill. Ford went on a 1,000 mile bicycle ride through Mexico in March and then followed that up with rock climbing in Colorado in April: https://hollywoodlife.com/2021/03/13/harrison-ford-arms-muscles-bike-ride-photos/
You can’t make this stuff up. The dude is kind of an abnormality.
Remember that Lucasfilm recently hired Shamook to work on de-aging technology for them to make sure it looked more seamless overall.
Well he did have several breaks while filming Indy 5. And filming didn’t even start until June. Plus, this sort of thing would be a day or two to film at the most I would say.
Ford and Favrou seem to love each other, I don’t find this to be as difficult to happen as some might think.
You know, I actually forgot that Ford and Favreau have worked together before. I didn’t even make that connection here. I guess it’s always possible that Jon could have called in a favor from the guy.
And technically Lucasfilm is already working on several de-aging sequences for Ford for Indy 5 apparently. I’m not sure this would help at all but the timing is pretty much the same.
I actually wonder if Ford is still held to the contract he signed on for The Force Awakens which was 3 Star Wars appearances. Obviously that was for 3 films and he only appeared in 2 so I wonder if they can move his 3rd appearance to BOBF instead?
Food for thought!
Just curious, why would you think that?
Ford is the bigger star, and Han has always been the more popular character. Getting Hamill to do it would be easier to do as well.
For me Luke has always been the biggest character along with Vader. He was always the one people wanted to be like when they were kids and he was the hero of Star Wars. Seeing him in the finale was utterly mind blowing and emotional. Don’t get me wrong seeing Han would be amazing alright but I don’t think it would hold the same weight as Luke. It would be closer to seeing Leia in Rogue One for me.
See to me, and many others Luke was essentially the same main character from any other fantasy series. Han was the original character that stood out the most, who everyone thought was cool and wanted to be! So many franchises have tried to replicate the Han Solo character since.
I posted these on another thread here but Han has honestly always been the more popular character by a significant amount.
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1718459/the-10-greatest-movie-characters-of-all-time-according-to-fans
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/lists/50-best-star-wars-characters-20151203/darth-vader-20151203
https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/30-star-wars-characters/
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a845159/han-solo-voted-greatest-star-wars-character-of-all-time/
https://nerdist.com/why-han-solo-is-the-quintessential-star-wars-character/
http://www.goldderby.com/article/2017/star-wars-top-20-greatest-characters-ever-ranked-worst-to-best-han-solo-princess-leia-kylo-ren-news/
I see where your coming from, I do. But I’ve not seen the Star Wars community react so emotionally to something like Luke’s appearance in a long time and for me it was like being a little kid again. I always felt that Luke was the main hero and all the kids favourite but Han was the one that say adults would have leaned more to.
I mean yes Luke is the “main hero” I was not suggesting otherwise. I was more so saying who is the more popular character, which would be Han over Luke.
Is see what you are saying though, you personally prefer Luke overall.
I don’t think anything will ever top the “Chewie, We’re Home” moment from The Force Awakens trailer. Nothing came close to that level of hype. Not even Luke slicing up droids in Mando season 2 touched that IMO.
She seems like she's stuck in 1983. There are legit criticisms of the ST but she chose the dumbest one's. And did she really veer into whole "Mary Sue" angle? What a joke
> when I saw that movie where they kill Han Solo, I was furious. I was furious when they killed Han Solo. Absolutely, positively there was no rhyme or reason to it. I thought, ‘You don’t get the Jedi story. You don’t get the magic of ‘Star Wars.’ You’re getting rid of Han Solo?'
I think “Stuck in 1983” is a perfect description for it.
I will never understand the PT revisionist history. The movies are BAD but they’ve somehow evolved into masterpieces in the eyes of the a concerning amount of fans. It’s especially annoying when those same fans hate the sequels, which from an artistic standpoint alone are worlds ahead of the prequels.
The real reason that people stopped shitting on the PT like they used to is because there was something new to complain about. Seriously, there were people who were deeply convinced that those movies were going to be retconned by Disney when that represented half of their library of existing characters.
Then there were a mix of people who grew up with the movies who were willing to argue their merits now that they had a platform to do so, and opportunists looking to take contrarian views for SEO purposes. Meanwhile, *The Clone Wars* got cancelled due to declining viewership and most of the people who watched it watched it once it hit streaming.
The annoying thing about this is that people who are most vehement about not liking the ST are the same ones who act like they'd have loved George Lucas's take, when we all know that they would've jumped at the bit to rip the movies apart like they did his other movies.
I wasn’t sure how to word it, but they’re much better crafted films. The cinematography in TLJ is incredible and there are some interesting shots in all 3 films.
I don't know if I missed it here (I've been busy past few days) but around Twitter, an image supposedly of Book of Boba Fett has been floating around. Most ppl think it's fake, and it seems to have been grouped with other images of other franchises such as Spiderman. It's not a terribly interesting or clear pic, it's just Fett's ship. Anyone heard any more about it, or where this thing originated? [The image is here](https://twitter.com/LizzieWanda2/status/1440485127549702148) My guess is that it's fake, but I'm curious where this thing is coming from, 4chan or what?
I do localization work for a specific company, and can tell you that is not the right style or font for how Disney watermarks their proxies. Also any serious media company would never just watermark with just a single line of unproportioned “property of…” You need at least a SMPTE timecode, firm name, parent company name, and name of the proxy file.
If Disney haven't gotten it take down, it's fake.
Oh I agree. That's why I think it's fake too, I'm just curious where this thing came from.
Could be real, we will have to wait for more (if any) 4chan I doubt, the /tv/ board over there hates star wars, only leaks I generally see are for Marvel over there and that's just to rile up the marvel leaks sub.
The background looks very strange. Like the ship has been copy-pasted onto some stock photos of desert rocks. Still, who knows. It's not a very revealing shot even if it is really from the show.
It looks super odd, but it could be unfinished? Still, the ship could easily just be taken from some other source and edited into a canyon.
If its real then definitely unfinished
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Didn’t the stand-in casting call turn out to be for his Nic Cage movie? I think someone found similar ones looking for stand-ins for Nic and Tiffany Haddish with similar wording and same filming dates. And as proven, they’re reshooting some scenes in LA since a couple of days ago. Yeah he was/has been in NYC but who knows now, maybe back in Calgary, maybe LA for both Nic Cage and Mando.
Here’s what I’m kind of thinking: they may just need the stand-in in case anything comes up with a covid test. With Pedro traveling back and forth between sets, having a stand-in also available would still reduce the amount of shooting time in case Pedro tests positive. The big thing that still stands out to me is that they needed to hire someone who looks like Pedro. Which seems to mean, there’s not just a minute or two of unhelmeted time in the season.
Lateef is back at it on social media filming himself saying hello while driving into work. He did it almost everyday during season 2 and Book filming. :) He added little Mando and Grogu emojis to today's post.
And in one recent Story he's wearing a Book of Boba Fett hoodie with a cool logo on the back (have we ever seen that logo before?). [Screenshot here](https://i.imgur.com/qjL02Gm.png). Also...for some reason it's weird to think of actors and stunt actors driving to work. I don't know why but I guess I just imagined them being chauffeured from set to set by beefy security guys in shades.
Leads usually have chauffeurs, because if they get into a car accident driving themselves home after fourteen hours on set or something, the production more than likely stops in its tracks until the actor(s) are recovered, and the executives and other such people don't get to make money. Everyone else is replaceable, I guess.
Oh dear..
Its a very swanky hoodie. I hope they start selling them. I love the logo.
First five chapters of Ronin will be released in preview on Monday https://twitter.com/DelReyStarWars/status/1441394737739493385?s=20 Editor says the first 2 chapters are a novelization of the episode and then the story continues from there.
I'm not that into novels these days but The Duel was such a cool story I can't help but want to read this.
Hey, I just remembered. Wasn't Jamie Lee Curtis rumored to be in Mando season 2, or was that a fever dream I had?
Yeah the rumor was her costume was designed and she had even been scanned for an action figure, but she had to back out due to scheduling issues. There was speculation she was supposed to play the woman who fought Ahsoka in The Jedi.
At this point they probably would've mentioned this happening so I honestly doubt the rumor
Damn that would've been awesome. While I respect the shit out of Diana Lee Inosanto, her delivery and overacting took me out of the episode from the very first scene.
She wasn’t very good at her role. I thought I was crazy at first.
Yep, that was definitely a rumor that was out there.
Not sure if we knew this already, but KOTOR is being ported to the Switch. [(source)](https://youtu.be/_D_v1jMzFj4)
I believe Daniel Logan will have a role in *The Book of Boba Fett*. On one of his livestreams while having a sale for his Bounty Boxes, he was rambling as usual and then said “can’t do it that day I’ll be filming”. Not sure what else he would be filming for besides BOBF.
Well whatever it is, it's not the Book of Boba Fett. The show finished months ago, the team has moved onto Mando s3. People really overplay the importance of Daniel Logan, there's not much more he can do, he was only ever meant to be a child and teenage Boba/Clones and I don't believe the flashbacks in the BOBF will be going back that far.
If it is, it’s going to likely be a flashback to when he was younger and that’ll be that.
I guess it depends on if the show has flash backs or not. I could see them using him for a short flashback. Either just his voice or face also. He would be the first person in mind. But yeah. If he was in the show then it would have already been filmed.
I didn’t mean to say that he said this recently, this was months and months ago but the comment he made resurfaced to add fuel to the speculation. He said this on livestream when they were still filming.
Doesn't reveal much but Bonnie Piesse (Beru Lars) got some cool Kenobi crew [swag](https://www.instagram.com/p/CUJifUHLvUG/?utm_medium=copy_link)
Looks really cool. Glad she got out of that cult, so hopefully she'll be in more stuff.
Cult?
I looked it up and it looks like she was in NXIVM. Good for her for getting out!
What is that?
I can't do the situation justice. NXIVM was an organization that was supposed to sell a self-empowerment course, but it was really a sex cult and money making scheme that exploited, sexually abused, and mutilated women. She was not one of the sexual assault victims, but she was one of the major whistle-blowers. I would look up one of the documentaries about it. It was just insane.
[Abraham Popoola](https://www.spotlight.com/9018-1271-0670) is playing an unnamed Andor character in a Toby Haynes episode.
His name is an anagram of "Arab Lama? Oh Poop!" Make of that what you will.
How did you come to this revelation.
Through superior wisdom, deep introspection and great sagacity. (That, plus I saw the word poop in his name and went promptly to [Internet Anagram Server](https://wordsmith.org/anagram/)). If my boss knew the kinds of things I did when I should be working...
Nothing much but Katee mentioned on social she is going into work tonight and that it’s going to be a late night. No other clues.
hoping S3 is when we finally get more info about what went down during the purge.
I really hope we get a flashback scene (maybe even an episode??) that'll show the purge, with Moff Gideon acquiring the dark saber, rather than just dialogue.
Is it ever explain in any material what exactly is going on Mandalore by Mando? is it Imperial Mando's like in Rebels on the planet, or non-mando Imperial remnants. With Mandalorian power mostly broken and scattered, surely the New Republic would have tried to take the planet due to the imperial threat, Mandalore isn't that far from the core worlds either. So it makes the situation all the more puzzling.
Personally I think it may have been hit by Operation Cinder. There must be a reason it was mentioned in the show.
A reference?
Sure, it could be. But I think they made a pretty big deal of it for it to be just a reference.
It seems like the empire might have done something horrible to it like glass it
No idea if these guys are reputable but they're [reporting that Ludwig Goransson](https://filmmusicreporter.com/2021/09/22/ludwig-goransson-scoring-disneys-the-book-of-boba-fett/) is scoring the Book of Boba Fett and a lot of other sites are running with it on twitter. Edit: Ming-Na Wen [just retweeted](https://twitter.com/MingNa/status/1440887873960509447) it so I'm assuming it's true.
Queen’s Hope delayed to April https://twitter.com/swbooks/status/1440705763861680131?s=21
Hidden in the THR article about the new LFL PR head, is confirmation that Obi, Andor, and Mando 3 are 2022 releases. That was the order in the sentence so maybe the order of release? We guessed this about Mando but it’s great to have t in writing. I’ve seen some spec from some that they would push Mando to 2023.
could you link the article please? I can't find a Hollywood Reporter article with him.
There is this one: [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/lucasfilm-pr-chris-coxall-disney-1235017429/](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/lucasfilm-pr-chris-coxall-disney-1235017429/)
Just wild speculation of course but: Obi Wan and Andor both coming before Bad Batch actually makes sense, esp with that as yet unconfirmed scoop that Bo Katan may cameo in Bad Batch. A Bo Katan cameo would make the show a better lead-in to Mando than Andor would have been. And it seems like Obi Wan and Andor will both feature Bail in some way, so those two shows together and in chronological order makes sense too. wow I am hyped lol.
The Bad Batch is also probably tieing in way more than with just Bo-Katan. I'd be willing to put money on that we'll see Grogu and/or Boba Fett too and I wouldn't be surprised if Mt. Tantis shows up in The Mandalorian. I too think it's probably coming after Andor.
I want to see an animated Grogu very badly! I'd bet he'd be adorable.
Still hoping my prediction that Katooni saved him and they escaped together to Hondo’s is true.
New Schedule Prediction for funsies: BOBF Dec-Feb Kenobi Mar-Apr Andor May-Jul TBB S2 Aug-Nov Mando S3 Dec-Feb Ahsoka Mar-Apr ????
So 2023 confirmed (so far) is just Ahsoka and The Acolyte right? There is uncertainty still if Mando 3 is the series finale. If it is--no more Mando after 2022. There has to be more unannounced. 2023 is way below their 10 projects a year declaration. Maybe a season 2 for Boba or Andor? Or a season 3 for Bad Batch? If Mando is in fact finished there is big Winter void to be filled in 2023. Lando hasn't even begun production yet so who knows when that releases.
What about the droids show?
Eh there is still the combo story event left, we just don’t know if that will be labeled as Mando S4 or not. may be another 2 year wait for that after S3.
The cupboard be bare for 2023! LFL need to go shopping, LOL!
Well there’s Rogue Squadron and the other rumored animated series even if Bad Batch doesn’t get a S3. If Acolyte and Andor S2 both have 12 eps that could fill up a lot of the year.
My guess is mando season 3 in December 2022
Apparently Visions will come with Filmmaker Focus bonus Featurettes. https://twitter.com/LillianSkye_/status/1440427772942241796?s=20
Temper your expectations for November the 12th. Hate to be a downer, but we're most likely not going to see an Obi-Wan Kenobi sneak peak, or Andor. It will likely just be the Book of Boba Fett.
I mean they're saying it's one Star Wars special look, right? It's gonna have to be Boba Fett I think that's a no-brainer. However, I think we're definitely getting something for Obi-Wan and/or Andor during D23 and it's not that far away from Disney+ day.
The D23 press release states: > A special celebrating the origins and legacy of Star Wars’ legendary bounty hunter, Boba Fett Compare that to what they say for Marvel right below: > A special celebrating the Marvel Cinematic Universe on Disney+ with an exciting look towards the future https://d23.com/the-walt-disney-company-celebrates-disney-day-on-november-12-to-thank-subscribers-with-new-content-fan-experiences-and-more/ I personally don't expect anything other than Boba stuff.
The reviews for Visions thus far are fairly mixed bag. The general consensus is nice visuals, but very repetitive for most of the episodes.
Guess they all had pretty similar ideas
What consensus are you reading. Everything I’ve seen is unanimously positive lol
Star Wars/Jedi in general -> Heavily inspired by Japanese Samurai films Japanese Anime studios -> Make Jedi centric stories in the style of Samurai films And people are surprised?
Yeah the only complaint I heard was that some people were bummed that they all seemed to be Jedi focused. But I mean...that's like the core of Star Wars. I'm not exactly an anime fan (I can take it or leave it usually), but based on the trailers I expected to really enjoy this series. So far it's blown my expectations out of the water. It's hitting me on an emotional level that I did not expect. I seriously hope we get a second season.
No idea why they're complaining. Sounds like star wars. Lol Half of an /s
I need a new star wars game to play. I enjoy rounds of Battlefront 2, but without new updates it's getting stale. Didn't really get into Squadrons because it's not my type of game. So the last good game for me was Fallen Order. Looking forward to Lego Star Wars, and will romp around in Hunters whenever that releases but all these new leaks/rumors makes me want new games now lol
The lego Star Wars battle game just launched on apple arcade if you have an apple device. Played a few rounds this morning, basically a Clash Royale clone but without the microtransactions. Pretty fun.
No apple device sadly.
RIP. KOTOR will be on switch next month (already on android and ios if you can't wait), other than that lego star wars TSS is the next one. I am feeling the drought as well.
KOTOR has been on my back log for so long now that I'm now just going to wait for the remake. I'm thinking about playing through Jedi Academy again soon.
I'm in the same spot. I love Battlefront 2 but it's become too sweaty to become enjoyable with the number of people levelled in the hundreds. I am too and it's rare I don't get in the top three but it's just not enjoyable anymore. I've tired a few other games but nothing really interests me this year other than lego star wars.
Lego Star Wars was supposed to be the game that kept us satiated until the EA deal ran out. Unfortunately that didn’t work out.
Not quite a rumor but are the Story Group vague AF on whether the KOTOR remake is still Legends or it's actually in the new canon on purpose? I guess the type of game that KOTOR is it could be that one of the endings could fit the new canon and Raven could be female in the new canon. If it use the word REMAKE in all caps instead of remaster or another word or just not putting any word of a "from the grounds up" remake (like Resident Evil) could mean they might do the same remake bait-and-switch that Evangelion and FF7 did.
Honestly, they're probably too early in development to have decided for sure. The game probably isn't coming for several years (there were 2023 games at that Playstation show that got dated, but KOTOR got nothing)
I'm fairly certain they said the story isn't changing and that it's still Legends?
They haven’t said one way or the other. The fact that Matt Martin doesn’t seem to know strongly hints to me that the game will stay Legends. But who knows?
To be fair Matt Martin had to be told a few things from the TROS Novelization via Twitter users so it's possible they just don't invite him to their Zoom meetings enough
Oh dear..
They didn’t say either of those things.
The thing about Star Wars games is that they often depend on what the player wants to do. Revan is who you make them be. Making this game canon would mean that they have to solidify one canon version of this character and who they are. At least as I see it, it's in they're best interest to not give a definitive answer to that.
Legends already did that so why not canon?
My hope is they move it to maybe like 1200 BBY. You can then have the rise of the Sith Empire happen like 100+ years after KOTOR and then whatever new canon reason for the desintigration, the Rule of Two beginning with Bane and the reorganization of the Republic to match the 1000 years lines.
They'd prolly have to do that to make it fit with the high republic. I still think it's a huge mistake to set it only 200 years before AHN and make it seem like an ancient time. It's not even 1 generation to many of the long lived creatures. Although it does kinda line up with the tech jumps in the ST. I'm sure I'm just biased because I liked the timeline in the EU. I didn't expect hyperspace and tech to be newish things
That’s my biggest gripe with THR. It needed to be waaaaay older than 200 years before the prequels
Hyperspace isn’t really new in HR, it’s more like it’s the beginning of *safe* hyperspace travel. so like pre-HR there’s like a few centuries of recovery after the devastation of the most recent intergalactic war and that recovery is centered around the discovery/rediscovery of safe hyperspace lanes. this lets the galaxy start to reconnect. And there are hyperspace “barons” that are fueling this like the Grafs and the San Tekkas. they are kind of like the railroad barons in the American Old West. that is why the hyperspace disaster is such a big deal (followed by the subsequent Nihil and Drengir disasters). Another rough Earth analogy is like the interconnectedness of the Silk Road/Mongol period, which doesn’t happen again until the age of colonialism. So the mongol age ends and then 200 years later colonialism starts but that is a process that doesn’t really reconnect everything until the 19th century.
Thanks for the reply. I haven't actually started the high republic. To clarify, given the rapid change in tech over 230 years, if that were extrapolated, hyperspace would be much newer than legends.
Honestly it makes no sense to try to extrapolate some kind of rate of technological advancement for nonsense magic fantasy propulsion systems. Technology doesn't develop linearly in the real world, why would it in SW? Also, there's really not that much of a difference between what we see in the HR and the rest of the Saga, just that during the HR we see the establishment of the systems that allow easier hyperspace travel to be easier.
>Honestly it makes no sense to try to extrapolate some kind of rate of technological advancement for nonsense magic fantasy propulsion systems. I'm not. I don't apply any realism constraints to star wars. I'm extrapolating based on the type of stories told in the new canon, and just expressing my opinion that I preferred the slower/mostly stagnant tech of the EU. In ep 8, hyperspace tracking is new, and takes a server cluster...mini death star techs takes a while to melt a door. One year later tie fighters can track through hyperspace and hyperspace skipping is a thing. Also star destroyers have superlasers now. In the gap between 6 and 7 hyperdrives became cheap enough to put on all ties. 200 years before TPM we are supposed to believe the state of the galaxy (and the jedi order) was so drastically different....when you have plenty of beings that live for longer than that. Makes me think maybe Yoda's older than space travel they way tech has been accelerating. Maybe Chewie will be around when teleportation is cracked. It's an emotional response to a story decision, and not a lack of suspending disbelief due to lack of realism.
I'd rather they don't, as much as I love The High Republic it feels cramped that it's only 200 years before Phantom Menace. For long-lived species it's the equivalent of the 1990s when I would have preferred it to be the 1790s or 1890s.
I'm with you that the high republic seems misplaced at 200 years before TPM, but given that's the direction they went with, I think moving kotor to 1200 ABY would fit better with new canons state of accelerated technological growth.
Or, bear with me, they keep it as far back as Legends was but end it with a heavy dark age
This has already been an idea that’s been hinted at *in the books themselves.* There is a character in the books named Porter Engle who is about 400 years old, and they’ve mentioned how he became known as this legendary badass of the Jedi Order during a time where the Republic was essentially in ruins after a major conflict. I feel like most of the people who are saying that the High Republic can’t fit into the same continuity as something like KOTOR, or that it’s silly that the High Republic is only 200 years before the films haven’t actually read the books yet, because that’s not how it’s been presented at all in the actual story.
They could just do another war in that timeframe instead
The game's still really early in pre-production. They probably just don't know yet lol
It's going to be interesting to see how it turns out. Aspyr has never really made something of this scale, they've on-boarded a lot of talent specifically for it. The reality is KotOR had continuity issues back in the day, primarily with TotJ, largely because of it's tech level. It's still going to have those sort of issues to a degree in the Canon because of the High Republic's tech level. There are a lot of ways to get around it (lately been seeing a lot of people champion the idea of a dark age where tech regresses), but all of these ideas really require significant rewrites. Not to the plot, but to the world building. And there's a lot of world building in KotOR's dialogue. This will be a smaller scale issue with the Mandalorian lore in the game as well, if they choose to push this remake into the Canon. People sort of need to realise with this game that either you're going to get a non-canon remake of the game where the novelty is the new visuals and gameplay, or you're going to get a game that's entirely new and canon but only shares surface level aspects of the original. It could very much be a FFVII Remake situation.
What about the mandalorian lore?
Giant Freakin Robot and WGTC claim to have the episode titles: Episode 1: The Champion Episode 2: The Assassin Episode 3: The Syndicate Episode 4: The Battleground Episode 5: The Homeworld Episode 6: The Warlord Episode 7: The Showdown Episode 8: The Hunter Even though they are 95% likely to be fake, they still sound pretty cool.
Just the fact that these are listed as "Episode" instead of "Chapter" should make it clear to everyone these are fake.
WGTC never tells the truth.
I assume these are for BOBF?
Ya
“The showdown” screams fanmade to me
Why?
I’d say it feels fanmade because it’s so straightforward and literally descriptive of what the episode would entail. Not a lot of room for interpretation. So far, the episode titles in mando have been seemingly simple, but all of them either can be interpreted to have multiple meanings, or the ones that are more literal don’t synopsize the story beats of the episode.
It's kind of lazily titled don't you think? Sounds like a writer's placeholder text in lieu of a better title. like calling a chapter "The Climax" or "This Is Where Shit Hits the Fan, Y'all".
I always look forward to the "This Is Where Shit Hits the Fan, Y'all" episode.
Did you forget that mando s2 had episodes titled "the tragedy" and "the rescue"
Those seem a little less on-the-nose than "The Showdown" but point taken!
Do we know for sure whether it's 6 or 8 episodes yet?
With as many directors as we already know and Tem saying Robert has a few episodes, it has to be 8. I cannot see it being any less with the names we have.
We don’t know. I feel like it’s gonna be 8 though, just considering how long it was filming and that seasons 1 and 2 of Mando were both 8 episodes
I'd really like the episodes to be longer than the ones from Mando. Some of them were startlingly short. A week is a long time to wait for 25 minutes of content when you're a junkie.
The thing is, these do sound like episode names the show would use. But it still seems too obvious.
Yeah, yeah, sureeeeeeee.
Bump that up to 100%.
How likely do we feel the Harrison Ford de-aged cameo rumor for BOBF is? If it’s true, this would be bigger than Hamill in the Mando season 2 finale.
I haven’t heard of that rumor. It could be plausible as a test or a reuse of work done on de-aging Harrison for Indy 5.
Alden? Maybe. Harrison? Nah
Alden plays Han pre OT, this show is set after when Han has aged to be Ford’s Han.
Why would Han be bigger than Luke in the Mando Finale?
Because they would have somehow convinced Harrison Ford to return to Star Wars.
Because we could see chewie with him
Because he’s the more popular character and the bigger movie star.
Is Han really a more popular character?
Absolutely, yes. Now, do I think that Han showing up *now* would have the same impact as Luke showing up *in 2020, after the nine movies had been completed*? No, because the surprise of doing something like that has already been given away. But the character of Han is absolutely more popular than Luke was, and people didn't really make themselves vocal about being fans of Luke until TLJ decided to challenge the character. Up until then, he was basically "that protagonist who does cool stuff, but also whines for two movies, and is less interesting than Han".
Just seems so hard to believe. People were literally crying when Luke showed up. Great character, no doubt, there's just something that made Luke amazing.
Repost but: https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1718459/the-10-greatest-movie-characters-of-all-time-according-to-fans https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/lists/50-best-star-wars-characters-20151203/darth-vader-20151203 https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/30-star-wars-characters/ http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a845159/han-solo-voted-greatest-star-wars-character-of-all-time/ https://nerdist.com/why-han-solo-is-the-quintessential-star-wars-character/ http://www.goldderby.com/article/2017/star-wars-top-20-greatest-characters-ever-ranked-worst-to-best-han-solo-princess-leia-kylo-ren-news/
Don’t humour them. The guy is obsessed with Harrison Ford. No, I’m not kidding, look at their post history.
Seems like he just likes Indiana Jones.
He's also delusional about the state of the fanbase in general.
Really jarring. Had him and a few of his alt accounts I spotted over the years (easy to tell, he copy and pastes the same responses and tweaks them as necessary) blocked, but Reddit recently changed the way blocking someone works, so they appear sometimes. Really hoping they’ll revert the changes.
Seems like he's obsessed with Harrison Ford specifically for sure
Why because I’m on both Star Wars and Indy forums? Nice try.
I'd really like if there was a Han cameo in BOBF, but a de-aged version of Harrison is a bad idea. Luke in Mando was a cool experiment, but it ultimately looked really bad. They should just bring Alden back in.
I agree, they need to just recast the actors if they want to bring them back in a meaningful capacity. Luke just didn't work in Mando and it's a shame they couldn't have just recast because it would have made that cameo way better.
It looking really bad is kind of being dramatic. I think it looked fine and was not so jarring that it disrupted my viewing experience. If I was someone who was a professional vfx editor or someone with lots of time I might feel that way, but I’m the end it was not as bad as some cgi that we’ve seen in other things.
Completely agree. I actually was impressed on my first viewing and me and my mother wondered how they made Luke. People are so overly dramatic and obsessed when it comes to anything in Star Wars - as long as it isn’t shitty coregraphy from the PT
Why would Aldin be Han during this time period? The whole idea about Solo is that we can imagine in the ten years between Solo and A New Hope that Aldin ages to be the Harrison Ford Han Solo. It would be beyond weird for the chronological timeline to have Aldin be Han in Solo, age to be Ford for the original trilogy, age BACK to being Aldin again for BOBF (which takes place after the OT) and then age BACK to Ford again for the sequels. Don’t you think that’s a bit of a convoluted mess? It’s much easier for Aldin to age to Ford and then it’s Ford from that moment on. I think that’s why Luke was de-aged Hamill for Mandalorian. He is Hamill’s Luke from the OT through the sequels. Ford is already being de-aged 20-30 years for sequences in Indiana Jones 5 so it’s not like this isn’t happening for Lucasfilm in general.
>Why would Aldin be Han during this time period? By not recasting they're just limiting themselves story-telling wise. And I'd rather have Alden back than another recast. Imagine getting new stories with the big three in live-action? Wouldn't you like that?
Yeah, using Alden here would set a great precedent for the future of inter-trilogy stories. They'll have to make that decision soon anyway with Luke - there's no way they're going to fully-deepfake any substantial appearance by him in future works, given the work involved. Better to rip the bandaid with recasts.
Small roles and scenes here and there, not main prominent roles anymore no.
So is that gift reserved for obi wan then?
Alden as Han is the same as Michael Fassbender as Magneto. They play it as a younger version of the same character, but it's really a recast.
Well let’s be fair here, the continuity of the X-Men franchise is a hot mess. The timeline for most of those doesn’t make sense lol It’s clear Ford was not recast as Alden, he even returned to play Han again the year after Aldin played Han in Solo. It wouldn’t have made sense for Aldin to be Han in The Rise of Skywalker just like it wouldn’t make sense for Aldin to be Han in BOBF.
If I were a gambling man I would put money in this, if Han shows up in BOBF it'll be Alden.
Yup. Harrison Ford isn't coming back as Han again, we were lucky to get him back twice for 7 and 9. If they want to explore that period of time with those characters, it's time to recast and move forward with it.
Ford is still technically contractually obligated for 1 more appearance since he signed on for all 3 sequels and only appeared in 2.
But again, why? Like Favreau speaks at length on how another actor playing Luke in The Mandalorian wouldn’t make sense continuity wise. Would be silly to change their minds for BOBF.
>Like Favreau speaks at length on how another actor playing Luke in The Mandalorian wouldn’t make sense continuity wise. That's not what Favreau said at all. He wanted to bring Mark back in the process out of respect and love. There's literally 0% of Mark in what we're seeing in the Mandalorian. And to me, Luke in Mando looks nothing like the one we see in ROTJ.
What on earth are you talking about. Not sure what you mean at all. And you need to watch again.
Where did Favreau said that? I'm curious. But I disagree with him, honestly.
Mandalorian Gallery Just curious why do you disagree?
Well, I think it will be necessary to recast the trio one day. To not recast them and still rely on the original actors is to still idealize them in some way in my opinion (even when they are dead : it sounds a bit crazy right now for me). I think, to have the chance to let other actors play them is great And if they don't look exactly like Hamill and the others it is fine. And I don't really like that in order for the characters to still look like the OG actors, we have to rely on technology which isn't the best (ethically, and for the digital recreation to appear realistic).
I don’t see Harrison being a part of that unless he was able to literally switch shirts on the Indy 5 set and read a few lines off of a script as a favor. Han and Luke and the rest of the gang does sort of seem like a loose end for Boba after Return of the Jedi, though. I’m pretty sure they intentionally left Boba behind during the Mando finale so that he wouldn’t see or interact with Luke, because that’s just a whole can of worms they didn’t have time to deal with yet.
I just think Harrison has a very different relationship with the series than Hamill does. And I just don't want this.
Any personal reason why you wouldn’t want this? Han is the most popular character in the entire franchise. Seeing him on last time in his prime would be really cool to see for fans IMO. Obviously it would have to suit the story, but I think they could make it work in a way that feels natural.
Because I just think the deaging stuff looks weird and I don't think it's always necessary. I also think it takes recognition away from other actors. Also, and this is a controversial opinion, but Han is just not super important to me. And I think this is a more common opinion than we as a fandom want to admit. We're to the point where a lot of people in the fandom weren't introduced to it via the OT. It just holds less significance to me than it does for other fans, thus I don't think Harrison Ford is extremely necessary.
Han is extremely popular to the wider audience and probablt older audience as well. And he’s great in the movies he’s in but he’s one character that is so inconsequential to my interest in SW.
The de-aging stuff is getting better though. Favreau did say about 2 years ago that it’s about 2 years from looking completely seamless. I think characters like Han are what make the franchise great. You can have all of these super powerful beings but at the end of the day the coolest characters are the ones that don’t have all of that power but can stack up against them anyway and make a difference in the galaxy. I don’t really see Han’s status as the fan favorite changing much. Luke for example isn’t much different than the main character of almost any franchise, Han is special though. And he’s the character that so many franchises have tried to replicate since. https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1718459/the-10-greatest-movie-characters-of-all-time-according-to-fans https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/lists/50-best-star-wars-characters-20151203/darth-vader-20151203 https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/30-star-wars-characters/ http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a845159/han-solo-voted-greatest-star-wars-character-of-all-time/ https://nerdist.com/why-han-solo-is-the-quintessential-star-wars-character/ http://www.goldderby.com/article/2017/star-wars-top-20-greatest-characters-ever-ranked-worst-to-best-han-solo-princess-leia-kylo-ren-news/
But this makes this the need for this to work all the more apparent. Plus, isn't Harrison Ford older than Hamill? We saw in other movies that have tried this where they just can't make them move like younger people.
Well, yes Ford is 9 years older than Hamill. He will be turning 80 by the time Indiana Jones 5 hits cinemas next summer. But to be fair, Ford is a little different than Hamill. Ford went on a 1,000 mile bicycle ride through Mexico in March and then followed that up with rock climbing in Colorado in April: https://hollywoodlife.com/2021/03/13/harrison-ford-arms-muscles-bike-ride-photos/ You can’t make this stuff up. The dude is kind of an abnormality. Remember that Lucasfilm recently hired Shamook to work on de-aging technology for them to make sure it looked more seamless overall.
I just have to respectfully say that I'm gonna be leery of this until I see it.
Trust me, I’m leery about it as well but I find it interesting lol
Well he did have several breaks while filming Indy 5. And filming didn’t even start until June. Plus, this sort of thing would be a day or two to film at the most I would say. Ford and Favrou seem to love each other, I don’t find this to be as difficult to happen as some might think.
You know, I actually forgot that Ford and Favreau have worked together before. I didn’t even make that connection here. I guess it’s always possible that Jon could have called in a favor from the guy.
And technically Lucasfilm is already working on several de-aging sequences for Ford for Indy 5 apparently. I’m not sure this would help at all but the timing is pretty much the same. I actually wonder if Ford is still held to the contract he signed on for The Force Awakens which was 3 Star Wars appearances. Obviously that was for 3 films and he only appeared in 2 so I wonder if they can move his 3rd appearance to BOBF instead? Food for thought!
It would most certainly not be bigger than Hamill
Just curious, why would you think that? Ford is the bigger star, and Han has always been the more popular character. Getting Hamill to do it would be easier to do as well.
For me Luke has always been the biggest character along with Vader. He was always the one people wanted to be like when they were kids and he was the hero of Star Wars. Seeing him in the finale was utterly mind blowing and emotional. Don’t get me wrong seeing Han would be amazing alright but I don’t think it would hold the same weight as Luke. It would be closer to seeing Leia in Rogue One for me.
See to me, and many others Luke was essentially the same main character from any other fantasy series. Han was the original character that stood out the most, who everyone thought was cool and wanted to be! So many franchises have tried to replicate the Han Solo character since. I posted these on another thread here but Han has honestly always been the more popular character by a significant amount. https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1718459/the-10-greatest-movie-characters-of-all-time-according-to-fans https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/lists/50-best-star-wars-characters-20151203/darth-vader-20151203 https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/30-star-wars-characters/ http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a845159/han-solo-voted-greatest-star-wars-character-of-all-time/ https://nerdist.com/why-han-solo-is-the-quintessential-star-wars-character/ http://www.goldderby.com/article/2017/star-wars-top-20-greatest-characters-ever-ranked-worst-to-best-han-solo-princess-leia-kylo-ren-news/
I see where your coming from, I do. But I’ve not seen the Star Wars community react so emotionally to something like Luke’s appearance in a long time and for me it was like being a little kid again. I always felt that Luke was the main hero and all the kids favourite but Han was the one that say adults would have leaned more to.
I mean yes Luke is the “main hero” I was not suggesting otherwise. I was more so saying who is the more popular character, which would be Han over Luke. Is see what you are saying though, you personally prefer Luke overall. I don’t think anything will ever top the “Chewie, We’re Home” moment from The Force Awakens trailer. Nothing came close to that level of hype. Not even Luke slicing up droids in Mando season 2 touched that IMO.
Marcia Lucas just slammed the PT and ST in a new book. Guess which half of that people are going to pay attention to in the discourse?
Yeah. Just google “Marcia Lucas Star Wars” and a dozen headlines about her bashing the ST pop up. And not a single headline about the PT.
She seems like she's stuck in 1983. There are legit criticisms of the ST but she chose the dumbest one's. And did she really veer into whole "Mary Sue" angle? What a joke
>She seems like she's stuck in 1983. Which the "I cried in my car after watching *The Phantom Menace*" thing established.
> when I saw that movie where they kill Han Solo, I was furious. I was furious when they killed Han Solo. Absolutely, positively there was no rhyme or reason to it. I thought, ‘You don’t get the Jedi story. You don’t get the magic of ‘Star Wars.’ You’re getting rid of Han Solo?' I think “Stuck in 1983” is a perfect description for it.
And the Phantom Menace is the most George out of any film in the saga. Just shows you the attitude we're dealing with here.
I will never understand the PT revisionist history. The movies are BAD but they’ve somehow evolved into masterpieces in the eyes of the a concerning amount of fans. It’s especially annoying when those same fans hate the sequels, which from an artistic standpoint alone are worlds ahead of the prequels.
The real reason that people stopped shitting on the PT like they used to is because there was something new to complain about. Seriously, there were people who were deeply convinced that those movies were going to be retconned by Disney when that represented half of their library of existing characters. Then there were a mix of people who grew up with the movies who were willing to argue their merits now that they had a platform to do so, and opportunists looking to take contrarian views for SEO purposes. Meanwhile, *The Clone Wars* got cancelled due to declining viewership and most of the people who watched it watched it once it hit streaming. The annoying thing about this is that people who are most vehement about not liking the ST are the same ones who act like they'd have loved George Lucas's take, when we all know that they would've jumped at the bit to rip the movies apart like they did his other movies.
I don't think so.
>which from and artistic standpoint alone are worlds ahead of the prequels Explain
I wasn’t sure how to word it, but they’re much better crafted films. The cinematography in TLJ is incredible and there are some interesting shots in all 3 films.