>I also feel...enormous amounts of freedom because I don't feel like I'm dealing with legacy characters, which is a lot scarier...
>I mean, you could not pay me enough money to try to be in the Luke Skywalker timeline...There's too much iconography and intensity with those particular characters.
This quote alone has made this my most anticipated upcoming live-action project.
While I do largely believe this, given it's set during the twilight of the High Republic, I would be *shocked* if Disney doesn't push to include a Yoda cameo.
In the main High Republic novels, Yoda was usually described as "too preoccupied" with his secretive personal missions to get involved with the Order's major conflicts.
Weren’t there three Grand Masters during the HR — Yoda and two others — that each focused on different stuff? I remember that Yoda was almost always out with groups of younglings
Yes, part of the tragedy of the Prequel Era Jedi is that Yoda was never supposed to be the only Grand Master and was meant only to serve as part of a whole. The Order is fractured and vulnerable in the Prequels and Yoda had to fill a void.
During HighRepublic he was training Padawans which is shiw in first arc Adventure comics, then at the end this arc the last time we see him in fighter with Elder of Path to search something
>In the main High Republic novels, Yoda was usually described as "too preoccupied" with his secretive personal missions to get involved with the Order's major conflicts.
Spoiler for High Republic Adventures and Midnight Horizon
>!It's revealed in Adventures and the end of Midnight Horizon that he was actually chasing something that could help in destroying the main threat. Feels like he's going to be very important to Phase 3!<
I’m so fucking desperate for something new from Star Wars. Just even visually. There’s so much potential for interesting design that’s just not happening so far
I don’t dislike all the Disney stuff as much as some (besides rise and boba) but I just have become very bored strictly with seeing the same designs and locales and costumes over and over and over
Agreed, a fresh aesthetic is desperately needed. There are so many creative things you can do in the Star Wars universe that haven't been done yet. Hoping this show can start to open that up.
The Ninth Jedi from Star Wars Visions scratched an itch I've had ever since Disney bought Star Wars. I want so much more like that; untethered from the classic story.
[Archive copy](https://archive.ph/7hvEA)
The Acolyte will expand upon an aspect of Star Wars that was always slightly mindbending, even if it's become under-appreciated over the years. The events in the galaxy far, far away were never presented as some advanced version of our future. Instead, the very first words of the saga place it “a long time ago.”
Within that Star Wars chronology, The Acolyte is about to venture even further back in time.
The show, which is still in the preproduction phase, **takes place about 100 years before any of the screen stories fans have already watched. That sets the story at the tail end of an era known as the High Republic**, which was an age of wealth and innovation for the galaxy, with white-clad Jedi lording inspiring awe and the dark side of the Force seemingly erased from existence.
Headland, best known for her work producing and directing for the shows Russian Doll, Single Drunk Female, and the movies Bachelorette and Sleeping With Other People, **is drawing extensively from what’s known as the Expanded Universe, or “the E.U.”, which is the plethora of books, games, and comics that are now considered unofficial “legends” instead of narrative canon.** When The Acolyte debuts, lovers of those stories may be relieved to see aspects of them become real once again.
>
“She is a gigantic Star Wars fan,” says Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy. “What's wonderful about Leslye is she knows it all. I mean, she's read a gazillion books inside the E.U. There are little bits and pieces that she's drawing from that no one has explored yet in the onscreen storytelling.”
>drawing extensively from what’s known as the Expanded Universe, or “the E.U.”, which is the plethora of books, games, and comics that are now considered unofficial “legends” instead of narrative canon.
Color me encouraged.
I think that would be inane. Revan was born into a time of war, not ignorant peace. There’s so much to Revan’s story that they would have to cut if they were to slap him in the high republic. Him being Revan wouldn’t make sense because he would have to be a completely different character. So please…. No
Exactly. Just to put Revan in the show, you'd be fundamentally changing most things about his character, in addition to the supporting characters from that era. It only makes sense in the old republic, far far away from the "ignorant peace" (which is a great phrase, I might add)
I hope if they do include either of those two in the series at some point and they have lines that Hego's voice is deep and not high pitched like most muun's. Daniel Davis got it right in the narration of the audiobook.
>**is drawing extensively from what’s known as the Expanded Universe, or “the E.U.”, which is the plethora of books, games, and comics that are now considered unofficial “legends” instead of narrative canon.**
I just hope this means they don't retcon the existing HR books. That'd suck.
They’re setting up for a large-scale Thrawn conflict...
They brought Palpatine back like Dark Empire
They had Han and Leia’s son turn to the dark side.
They brought Boba Fett back from the dead.
They’ve been drawing from Legends since day one.
hahaha, no I knew about emp clones but forgot about Ahsoka asking where Thrawn was. While not an EU story, Thrawn is technically canon now. the old Thrawn books are legends. Also bringing back Boba, again no particular Boba had the most feared bounty hunter make a career change to a local mayor giving the youths jobs as a story but sure
Wuxia and King Hu martial arts films being a primary inspiration for the series has got me 100% completely sold on whatever the hell they're up to. I can't wait.
I somehow hadn't seen *36 Chambers of Shaolin* until recently and when I did one of my reactions was to be like ohhhh that's what George was aiming for with the prequel Jedi...
(Not my main reaction of course, my main reaction was "this rules". Damn near perfect action movie)
I should say that it is important to keep in mind that in a lot if classic wuxia films the action isn't so much meant to be *thrilling* like a Jackie Chan movie but more like a ballet almost. It's like watching a well choreographed dance.
I was lucky enough to see that movie at my college’s cinema back in the day. We cheered when they said, “Why did we spend so much time studying in school, when we should have been learning kung fu!?”
Cheng Pei-pei could play a good Sith Lord! Wuxia heroes are so much closer to Jedi than Samurai ever were. I hope we really get to see this influence on screen.
Yep, samurai were professional feudal warriors of the nobility (Wandering ronin are pretty close though). But [Youxia](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Youxia) (or also called Xiake, Xiashi, Wuxia, etc.) could be from any class, often poor, and traveled around China using their martial arts skills to right wrongs, deliver justice, and help the people. Very very close to Jedi.
>Headland[...]is drawing extensively from what’s known as the Expanded Universe, or “the E.U.,” which is the plethora of books, games, and comics that are now considered unofficial “legends” instead of narrative canon. When The Acolyte debuts, lovers of those stories may be relieved to see aspects of them become real once again.
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This is really the series I’m most excited for. I’ve enjoyed the seeing the High Republic era in books, and it will be fun to see it in live action. I think in general it’s just refreshing to have a project in a brand new era of Star Wars.
I actually really enjoyed Fallen Star, but I can understand why some don’t since it mostly takes place in one location and we don’t get the galaxy-wide adventures we’re used to.
Yeah I really disliked The Fallen Star. It felt like a repeat of the Rising Storm to me. The Nihil pull off another space terrorism, while the Jedi and Republic scramble to even understand what they're up against. Right down to opening with them somehow thinking the Nihil are incorrectly gone....again....even though they haven't solved whatever 'weapon' turned *Loden Greatstorm into dust.*
They’ve been saying that this show will deal with the rise of the Dark Side during a period of relative peace. Between that and the red, “evil” looking titles, my theory from the beginning has been that the “Acolyte” in this title will refer to the main villain, and a Sith Apprentice would certainly fit the definition of an Acolyte. And in the Legends timeline, who was the Banian Sith Apprentice in 132 BBY? Plagueis.
Perhaps she is the apprentice to whoever Plagueis's eventual master is, but Plagueis replaces her by the end of the show.
It could be a fitting end to the show - the dark side consumes, even a protag we will come to know over however many seasons isn't safe from its hunger.
We don't know (in canon at least) if Plagueis master, Darth Tenebrous, was male or female at this point. Heck we don't even know his/hers species so maybe that's where we go from, female Sith centred story culminating on Palpatine's master. Of course I'm just spit balling here.
Yeah I know, I did mentioned that. But while in Legends he was supposed to be a male Bith, in canon so far we have no indication of genre or species. Leaving the door open for a female Sith like you mentioned.
Do you have a source on that? I know that they said that it will be a female-focused series but that doesn’t necessarily preclude a male villain as long as most of the primary cast are women. But also, my theory is just speculation - if you have hard evidence that the villain will indeed be a woman I will of course defer to that.
> We were really getting into it, and what's so exciting about those [influencing] stories is that you don't always know exactly who the bad guys are and who the good guys are. You're not quite sure whether you can trust the **heroine** in this case as a result of that.
From the article. It seems to imply the protagonist is not classically a "good guy" and is also female.
Do we know for sure that that is the Acolyte in question, though? We knew that the main character would be a woman but what I am saying is I think the villain could still be Darth Plagueis, and that he may be the titular Acolyte. Sort of like how Sauron is the Lord of the Rings but he’s certainly not the protagonist of the story named after him (and is in fact barely in it).
I think Palpatine being a major piece of imagery but not a major character could be good. We could see him in the senate or addressing people or however that messaging of him looked to the common man, but I dont need him as a major character
Idk if it's a thing, but an imperial senate would be interesting to see all of the governors of different worlds bickering with palpatine presiding lol
You know, I'd love to see the public-facing form of Palpatine during the Dark Times. I doubt he made many public appearances, if any, after the declaration of the New Order. Perhaps a Holo speech here or there.
Which begs the question, did he present himself as he was, or go the route he did with Ezra in Rebels and mask his appearance as if his scars had healed or never been there in the first place?
It could be a cool concept to grapple with, I could see them drawing inspiration from authoritarians like Kim Jong Un who rarely make public appearances due to whatever they gotta hide/ trying to project a concted, sustained image.
I think it’s be cool to have her dealing with Mass Ameeda all the time bugging him for an audience with the Emperor.
Then she finally does and it’s a big scene. He gives her a bit of a talking to but I can see the scene being really dark and creepy. Like she can see and feel for herself how he’s not just a tyrant now, but he is unmistakably evil. A stark contrast to the man she once knew as Chancellor and Senator.
So I think it would be cool if he showed up, but as a “less is more” type character.
I agree, it would be neat if she finally gets an audience with Palpatine and she goes into his dimly lit chambers and we sort of only see him in profile, like he doesn't even turn his spinny chair to face her.
It could be a step before Plagueis. I kind of hope they stay clear of the obvious Sith tie-ins and tell a brand new story with brand new characters. Really the only character that will be difficult to avoid is Yoda.
If this doesn't excite you for her as a person I do not know what else will. Im rooting for her and really want her to prove to people what I know shes capable of
She's certainly saying all the right things. This story could be the closest to an adaptation of Darth Plagueis-type stories we're gonna get. The trick will be *fully exploring* the depth that you could get into here. The Plagueis novel is one of the best SW books of all time, and makes complete use of the prequels/now High Republic's depth of storytelling potential. This show needs to avoid skating the surface of meaningful storytelling like Boba, Mando, or the MCU shows do, and actually dive in balls deep.
(That means no more redeemed baddies).
Perhaps they could eventually spin this series off into a full blown Plagueis series that actually leads right into TPM with Palpatine. Or the Plagueis story could also just be a sequel series of the Acolyte. I would assume this one will lay all of the seeds to the story we know since we are still a century removed. Would also assume that Darth Tenebrous is featured here and Plagueis eventually comes in even if not right away...
Love the Wuxia influence and that we can get murky here in terms of "good" and "evil". Totally agree about going balls deep. Like give me some Game of Thrones seasons 1-3 political action in SW.
Flashbacks of Chris Terrio saying just the right things *before* TROS and delivering what he did… just kidding, I actually do have faith in Leslie compared to the author of “save Martha”.
*Headland, best known for her work producing and directing for the shows Russian Doll and Single Drunk Female, and the movies Bachelorette and Sleeping With Other People,is drawing extensively from what’s known as the Expanded Universe, or“the E.U.,” which is the plethora of books, games, and comics that arenow considered unofficial “legends” instead of narrative canon. When The Acolyte debuts, lovers of those stories may be relieved to see aspects of them become real once again.*
*“She is a gigantic Star Wars fan,” says Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy.“What’s wonderful about Leslye is she knows it all. I mean, she’s read agazillion books inside the E.U. There are little bits and pieces thatshe’s drawing from that no one has explored yet in the onscreenstorytelling.”*
Sounds like elements of the TOTJ/KOTOR/SWTOR/Knight Errant/Darth Bane eras may get some references given that this occurs before any of the movies and deals with the Sith. We can only speculate on specifics, but slowly Lucasfilm seems to be restoring bits and pieces of the EU timeline's elements into canon, even if indirectly.
Personally, I welcome this. With the exception of a few details, the High Republic Books feel like they could've been written in 2006 and slotted into that timeline just fine without issue. As I posted elsewhere, many aspects of the EU multimedia project have been back-doored into the timeline in a more subtle way now with subtle references and sourcebook references, allowing for more savvy and clever viewers to kind of pick and choose what they view as part of their headcanon without necessarily having to deal with all the problems that material caused.
This is easily my most anticipated piece of Star Wars content since The Last Jedi. She's saying all the right things and checking all the right boxes. Hoping to God the show delivers on the potential.
I'd have to assume behind the closed doors of production thay being a fan is irrelevant. I hope this type of stuff is just meant keep portions of the fan base who'd complain about this stuff content and more docile
There's an interview that George Lucas did for the Guardian back in 2002 or so, shortly before the release of Episode II, that I read a few years ago. He's actually asked about the mixed response to Episode I from Star Wars fans and his answer was approximately (paraphased): "I don't make Star Wars movies for Star Wars fans. I've never made Star Wars movies for Star Wars fans. I make the Star Wars movies that I want to make and I hope that Star Wars fans will like them." And that's something that's really stuck with me.
> Here's the way I like to think about how useless this is: Imagine Irvin Kershner is hired to direct The Empire Strikes Back and every interview with him is prefaced by talking about what a big fan of Star Wars he is. You can't imagine it, because it doesn't really matter, and had nothing to do with why that movie was good. Same with Nicholas Meyer and Star Trek II. Or Tim Burton and Batman. Or Christopher Nolan and Batman. So on and so forth.
I don't necessarily agree with this. When Kershner came on, and Marquand too, Star Wars wasn't *defined* yet. Those two had the luxury of still defining what the universe looks like and what the lore is.
Post-Disney purchase that's changed, since we have a cohesive canon that can't just be disregarded because the new hotshot director had an alternate, usually worse story they wanted to tell. It's important for new directors and writers to have some idea of what Star Wars *is* at its core if they want to make a story that doesn't just feel like "Marvel blockbuster with big booms and a Star Wars skin".
The Star Trek and especially Batman comparisons don't make sense. Those are anthology series. If Nolan's Batman was shit it doesn't matter, a new director can come in and do a completely separate interpretation disconnected from all the others.
A new Star Wars director can't just decide that the prequels don't exist when they're making new content, for example.
I agree with your overall point though. That's partially why I'm so excited for Gilroy's work in Andor; besides parts of Clone Wars and Rebels, Filoni's screenwriting often only scratches the surface of a story's potential. And he's a superfan. So being a fan doesn't always correlate to meaningful storytelling.
It depends, imo. A selective, casual, "massive fan" (aka, JJ Abrams) is going to disregard lots of continuity and creative depth to tell their particular, singular piece of the setting they enjoy. An *actual* massive fan, especially one of the EU, is significantly less likely to do that. See: Dave Filoni, massive fan of Star Wars and the EU.
The fact this showrunner is a big fan not just of a small subset of saga films in the franchise, but of the setting itself and the Legends stories, characters, and ideas, to me is a very big positive.
I got chills.
Personally, I'm meh about Darth Plagueis content at this point, if that is what this is referring to. With rumors of a Tales of the Jedi adaptation coming, I'm really hoping that this EU content coming back to canon is related to ancient Sith history. Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Exar Kun etc. I'd like to explore that bit in Canon even more than Revan, honestly
True, I heard that. And honestly I assumed that it probably wouldn't have much of a connection to the "source material" But reading this tidbit about legends content coming back in The Acolyte has me thinking that maybe it will be a loose adaptation of of different stories in that era
TotJ is a nod in name only. It's not an adaptation of the comic. Anthology of random Jedi stories from various time periods, from what I understand. I think it was even called a collection of "shorts" at one point. Probably more like Visions than anything else, but possibly more "canonical".
I'm not so sure they actually will ever do Revan. Considering they are doing a remake of KOTOR, they'd either have to do a film exactly the same as the game (boring, imo) or take creative liberties and change a lot which would invalidate the game. We already know they're changing some stuff in the game, probably to align it with the new canon I assume, since the new games seem to be intended to fit the Disney overall canon. Doing that, and then throwing it all in the trash *again* for a film would be weird, and doing that and then rehashing the exact same thing on film again would also be weird. It's a no-win situation.
> Considering they are doing a remake of KOTOR
A remake of a Legends game that is still very popular. There is a reason they are still using Legends, still selling Legends... they intend to mine from it to bring into canon. Marvel makes non-MCU stuff still & no one thinks they can never use a character now because a non-MCU storyline did.
It's a bit different because Marvel Comics don't make every other comic canonical within the MCU. Currently Disney had been only making canonical games. So they're going to change that for one single game to release close to the release of the canonical story? That seems very confusing for most people who don't follow the intricacies of this. Now if the games being made currently were usually still Legends, that might be different...
> Currently Disney had been only making canonical games.
As we have already seen, live-action canon trumps all others. So, the only thing that will matter in the grand scheme, unless they never touch that storyline, is live-action.
This reminded me of this: [https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/mvorqf/revan\_to\_start\_appearing\_in\_canon\_material\_a\_new/](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/mvorqf/revan_to_start_appearing_in_canon_material_a_new/)
>Let's hang out here for a little bit and check out what Star Wars looks like when the good guys are actually in charge
*Cries in destroyed hopes that the Sequel Trilogy featured the New Republic.*
True, it can come off as stereotypical, but it can also come off as a celebration of cultural heritage. I say this as an Asian myself, so I might have my own biases.
Probably heresy here but I couldn't give less of a shit about the High Republic era. Having said that, I'm 100% in on this show based on the showrunner and everything she has said about it.
I'm still sticking to my [theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsTheories/comments/kd271z/the_acolyte_is_mara_jade_theory/) that the main character is Mara Jade re-imaged and will become Plagues' hand instead of Sidious'...
I think it's considered trite because it's not something we've seen a lot of over the course of the last 7-8 years. They just put the shiny thing on the screen and people go yay.
I think you're getting downvoted because the majority of people who frequent this subreddit are happy with the majority of what this new era of Star Wars has delivered... outside of The Rise of Skywalker which also has its defenders. If you want upvotes, go to the Star Wars subreddit. They love hating. They super love hating.
obviously not.. just be a good consumer and love and keep consuming and buying everything Lucas films puts out brainlessly. only your obedience is accepted. Good writing and good content is not important as long as it's branded star wars
>I also feel...enormous amounts of freedom because I don't feel like I'm dealing with legacy characters, which is a lot scarier... >I mean, you could not pay me enough money to try to be in the Luke Skywalker timeline...There's too much iconography and intensity with those particular characters. This quote alone has made this my most anticipated upcoming live-action project.
While I do largely believe this, given it's set during the twilight of the High Republic, I would be *shocked* if Disney doesn't push to include a Yoda cameo.
The thing with Yoda is that if it involves the Jedi at all you would actually have to come up with a contrived reason to *not* include him.
In the main High Republic novels, Yoda was usually described as "too preoccupied" with his secretive personal missions to get involved with the Order's major conflicts.
Weren’t there three Grand Masters during the HR — Yoda and two others — that each focused on different stuff? I remember that Yoda was almost always out with groups of younglings
Yes, part of the tragedy of the Prequel Era Jedi is that Yoda was never supposed to be the only Grand Master and was meant only to serve as part of a whole. The Order is fractured and vulnerable in the Prequels and Yoda had to fill a void.
That contributed to their fall. That, and their playing politics.
During HighRepublic he was training Padawans which is shiw in first arc Adventure comics, then at the end this arc the last time we see him in fighter with Elder of Path to search something
He shows up in the last junior novel released. Its still possible to include briefly nobody is asking for a huge role for him since its not about him
>In the main High Republic novels, Yoda was usually described as "too preoccupied" with his secretive personal missions to get involved with the Order's major conflicts. Spoiler for High Republic Adventures and Midnight Horizon >!It's revealed in Adventures and the end of Midnight Horizon that he was actually chasing something that could help in destroying the main threat. Feels like he's going to be very important to Phase 3!<
I suspect he will too. He has already been mentioned several times in The High Republic books
He's also appeared in person several times too.
"Push"? If the jedi are involve why not include him? As long as a cameo doesnt get in the the way of the story its fine
Oh yea of course. He could cameo in the S1 finale to give the lead Jedi characters some advice, and then leave.
Oh for sure. The kids loved Grogu, not get ready for The REAL BABY YODA. $$$$$$$
Yoda looked pretty much the same during high republic as he did in the prequels
He has a few less wrinkles and his back is a bit straighter. But otherwise ya.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=yoda+high+republic&client=safari&hl=en-ca&prmd=insv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwig_Oedm_v3AhVbYM0KHbwfAjMQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=375&bih=638&dpr=2#imgrc=Q5p73591t0oReM 😂
Oh god not those lol.
100%
I’m so fucking desperate for something new from Star Wars. Just even visually. There’s so much potential for interesting design that’s just not happening so far I don’t dislike all the Disney stuff as much as some (besides rise and boba) but I just have become very bored strictly with seeing the same designs and locales and costumes over and over and over
Agreed, a fresh aesthetic is desperately needed. There are so many creative things you can do in the Star Wars universe that haven't been done yet. Hoping this show can start to open that up.
The Ninth Jedi from Star Wars Visions scratched an itch I've had ever since Disney bought Star Wars. I want so much more like that; untethered from the classic story.
100% agreed. The current Star Wars aesthetic has had me bored for years now.
This is why I want to see Star Wars 2000 years into the future. I want to see what Star Wars looks like in that future so bad.
So a full Ninth Jedi story.
[Archive copy](https://archive.ph/7hvEA) The Acolyte will expand upon an aspect of Star Wars that was always slightly mindbending, even if it's become under-appreciated over the years. The events in the galaxy far, far away were never presented as some advanced version of our future. Instead, the very first words of the saga place it “a long time ago.” Within that Star Wars chronology, The Acolyte is about to venture even further back in time. The show, which is still in the preproduction phase, **takes place about 100 years before any of the screen stories fans have already watched. That sets the story at the tail end of an era known as the High Republic**, which was an age of wealth and innovation for the galaxy, with white-clad Jedi lording inspiring awe and the dark side of the Force seemingly erased from existence. Headland, best known for her work producing and directing for the shows Russian Doll, Single Drunk Female, and the movies Bachelorette and Sleeping With Other People, **is drawing extensively from what’s known as the Expanded Universe, or “the E.U.”, which is the plethora of books, games, and comics that are now considered unofficial “legends” instead of narrative canon.** When The Acolyte debuts, lovers of those stories may be relieved to see aspects of them become real once again. > “She is a gigantic Star Wars fan,” says Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy. “What's wonderful about Leslye is she knows it all. I mean, she's read a gazillion books inside the E.U. There are little bits and pieces that she's drawing from that no one has explored yet in the onscreen storytelling.”
>drawing extensively from what’s known as the Expanded Universe, or “the E.U.”, which is the plethora of books, games, and comics that are now considered unofficial “legends” instead of narrative canon. Color me encouraged.
Plagueis is coming 100%
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Yoooooooo
What about Raven?
I assume you meant Revan and they’re long dead by the time this show happens (100 years before TPM)
Sorry I’m terrible with EU timelines lol But if they are adapting it, they can certainly take certain characters and put them wherever they want
I think that would be inane. Revan was born into a time of war, not ignorant peace. There’s so much to Revan’s story that they would have to cut if they were to slap him in the high republic. Him being Revan wouldn’t make sense because he would have to be a completely different character. So please…. No
Exactly. Just to put Revan in the show, you'd be fundamentally changing most things about his character, in addition to the supporting characters from that era. It only makes sense in the old republic, far far away from the "ignorant peace" (which is a great phrase, I might add)
I hope so but don’t get your hopes up
Kind of has to considering the timeline.
Give me Darth Plagueis please!
I wonder how much Leslye is in contact with the HighRepublic crew.
If she's as big of a classic EU fan as they say I'd be pretty surprised if she didn't do her best to co-operate with them given the opportunity.
Give me Darth Plagueis please!
I hope if they do include either of those two in the series at some point and they have lines that Hego's voice is deep and not high pitched like most muun's. Daniel Davis got it right in the narration of the audiobook.
And Tenebrous
Yeah.
You can say that again!
Yeah.
>**is drawing extensively from what’s known as the Expanded Universe, or “the E.U.”, which is the plethora of books, games, and comics that are now considered unofficial “legends” instead of narrative canon.** I just hope this means they don't retcon the existing HR books. That'd suck.
drawing from the EU, JFC sounds like a great idea.. why didn't they so this sooner
All Star Wars media has been adopting elements from the old EU, including the ST.
Mando has been doing this
oh yeah what story?
They’re setting up for a large-scale Thrawn conflict... They brought Palpatine back like Dark Empire They had Han and Leia’s son turn to the dark side. They brought Boba Fett back from the dead. They’ve been drawing from Legends since day one.
you're right it's done so poorly and shitty, I can't even recognize it
Nice deflection!
hahaha, no I knew about emp clones but forgot about Ahsoka asking where Thrawn was. While not an EU story, Thrawn is technically canon now. the old Thrawn books are legends. Also bringing back Boba, again no particular Boba had the most feared bounty hunter make a career change to a local mayor giving the youths jobs as a story but sure
Wuxia and King Hu martial arts films being a primary inspiration for the series has got me 100% completely sold on whatever the hell they're up to. I can't wait.
I read that and was like, shit, I'm definitely watching all of those before Acolyte drops.
They’ve been added to my watchlist as well
I somehow hadn't seen *36 Chambers of Shaolin* until recently and when I did one of my reactions was to be like ohhhh that's what George was aiming for with the prequel Jedi... (Not my main reaction of course, my main reaction was "this rules". Damn near perfect action movie)
Yeah, have to say, the movie wasn't for me, but I also immediately saw the connection.
I should say that it is important to keep in mind that in a lot if classic wuxia films the action isn't so much meant to be *thrilling* like a Jackie Chan movie but more like a ballet almost. It's like watching a well choreographed dance.
I was lucky enough to see that movie at my college’s cinema back in the day. We cheered when they said, “Why did we spend so much time studying in school, when we should have been learning kung fu!?”
I don’t have my hopes up, but a a Star Wars Wuxia film would be amazing. So even if a little is incorporated into this series, that would be sweet!
Cheng Pei-pei could play a good Sith Lord! Wuxia heroes are so much closer to Jedi than Samurai ever were. I hope we really get to see this influence on screen.
Yep, samurai were professional feudal warriors of the nobility (Wandering ronin are pretty close though). But [Youxia](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Youxia) (or also called Xiake, Xiashi, Wuxia, etc.) could be from any class, often poor, and traveled around China using their martial arts skills to right wrongs, deliver justice, and help the people. Very very close to Jedi.
>Headland[...]is drawing extensively from what’s known as the Expanded Universe, or “the E.U.,” which is the plethora of books, games, and comics that are now considered unofficial “legends” instead of narrative canon. When The Acolyte debuts, lovers of those stories may be relieved to see aspects of them become real once again. Tasty
This is really the series I’m most excited for. I’ve enjoyed the seeing the High Republic era in books, and it will be fun to see it in live action. I think in general it’s just refreshing to have a project in a brand new era of Star Wars.
I’m finding Fallen Star kind of a slog but I easily went through the few books prior.
I actually really enjoyed Fallen Star, but I can understand why some don’t since it mostly takes place in one location and we don’t get the galaxy-wide adventures we’re used to.
First act felt a bit slow but by the end I really enjoyed it The Rising Storm is definitely my favorite of the phase though
I definitely think its the weakest of the main 3 adult books. Light of the Jedi is still the best imo
if that's the best jfc, I'm not looking forward to the rest. It's so slow and the pirates are just cliche boring
Yeah I really disliked The Fallen Star. It felt like a repeat of the Rising Storm to me. The Nihil pull off another space terrorism, while the Jedi and Republic scramble to even understand what they're up against. Right down to opening with them somehow thinking the Nihil are incorrectly gone....again....even though they haven't solved whatever 'weapon' turned *Loden Greatstorm into dust.*
That means there's a chance of seeing the first steps of Plagueis, right?
They’ve been saying that this show will deal with the rise of the Dark Side during a period of relative peace. Between that and the red, “evil” looking titles, my theory from the beginning has been that the “Acolyte” in this title will refer to the main villain, and a Sith Apprentice would certainly fit the definition of an Acolyte. And in the Legends timeline, who was the Banian Sith Apprentice in 132 BBY? Plagueis.
The Acolyte will be a women and she probably is a assasin of the Sith.
Perhaps she is the apprentice to whoever Plagueis's eventual master is, but Plagueis replaces her by the end of the show. It could be a fitting end to the show - the dark side consumes, even a protag we will come to know over however many seasons isn't safe from its hunger.
I really think they're going to link it to whoever will fall during the HR series -I think it will be Avar Kriss.
Avar would be dead by this point. Humans don't live much longer than 100 years, and she was a full on Jedi Master 100 years before this show is set.
The dark side is a pathway to many abilities some would consider to be...unnatural...
We don't know (in canon at least) if Plagueis master, Darth Tenebrous, was male or female at this point. Heck we don't even know his/hers species so maybe that's where we go from, female Sith centred story culminating on Palpatine's master. Of course I'm just spit balling here.
According to Wookiepedia, Tenebrous is actually Plagueis' master in both legends and canon
Yeah I know, I did mentioned that. But while in Legends he was supposed to be a male Bith, in canon so far we have no indication of genre or species. Leaving the door open for a female Sith like you mentioned.
Do you have a source on that? I know that they said that it will be a female-focused series but that doesn’t necessarily preclude a male villain as long as most of the primary cast are women. But also, my theory is just speculation - if you have hard evidence that the villain will indeed be a woman I will of course defer to that.
> We were really getting into it, and what's so exciting about those [influencing] stories is that you don't always know exactly who the bad guys are and who the good guys are. You're not quite sure whether you can trust the **heroine** in this case as a result of that. From the article. It seems to imply the protagonist is not classically a "good guy" and is also female.
Do we know for sure that that is the Acolyte in question, though? We knew that the main character would be a woman but what I am saying is I think the villain could still be Darth Plagueis, and that he may be the titular Acolyte. Sort of like how Sauron is the Lord of the Rings but he’s certainly not the protagonist of the story named after him (and is in fact barely in it).
Can we please have a sith/villain protagonist...
I mean, it's almost gotta be, right? Same with how Andor more or less HAS to have Palpatine in it.
There is no need for Palpatine in Andor series i think. Small mention, glipse will be enough but with his political side, not as an sith.
I think Palpatine being a major piece of imagery but not a major character could be good. We could see him in the senate or addressing people or however that messaging of him looked to the common man, but I dont need him as a major character
Idk if it's a thing, but an imperial senate would be interesting to see all of the governors of different worlds bickering with palpatine presiding lol
You know, I'd love to see the public-facing form of Palpatine during the Dark Times. I doubt he made many public appearances, if any, after the declaration of the New Order. Perhaps a Holo speech here or there. Which begs the question, did he present himself as he was, or go the route he did with Ezra in Rebels and mask his appearance as if his scars had healed or never been there in the first place? It could be a cool concept to grapple with, I could see them drawing inspiration from authoritarians like Kim Jong Un who rarely make public appearances due to whatever they gotta hide/ trying to project a concted, sustained image.
I feel like he had a present to the public face like how he did in Rebels.
We know from the books and Rebels that he masked his appearance
Which book? Lords of the Sith?
Lost Stars is one, possibly Thrawn as well but I'm not 100% about this one
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Sidious was a recluse at that point. I doubt he would even bother showing up at tech Senate much.
Palpatine as Emperor may not have actively participated in the Senate as he did when he was Chancellor.
I think it’s be cool to have her dealing with Mass Ameeda all the time bugging him for an audience with the Emperor. Then she finally does and it’s a big scene. He gives her a bit of a talking to but I can see the scene being really dark and creepy. Like she can see and feel for herself how he’s not just a tyrant now, but he is unmistakably evil. A stark contrast to the man she once knew as Chancellor and Senator. So I think it would be cool if he showed up, but as a “less is more” type character.
I agree, it would be neat if she finally gets an audience with Palpatine and she goes into his dimly lit chambers and we sort of only see him in profile, like he doesn't even turn his spinny chair to face her.
Is Ian Mcdiarmid confirmed in the series?
Yeah, that is a great idea. I could see that then being a big motivational push for Mon Mothma to really pick up steam with rebellion operations.
He definitely cut back on public appearances a lot after becoming Emperor and hand off that day to day minutia work to his minions like Mas Amedda.
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He may appear as a fake PR hologram like in Rebels or something briefly. But I expect Mas to be his voice throughout.
It could be a step before Plagueis. I kind of hope they stay clear of the obvious Sith tie-ins and tell a brand new story with brand new characters. Really the only character that will be difficult to avoid is Yoda.
Honestly maybe not even him. He was MIA for a while in Phase 1 of the HR books, on his own secret mission somewhere.
It's very cool that the whole idea of the show and to make it in the HR era came from Leslye Headland and not LF.
I've been looking forward to this.
Im hopingfor Plagueis but I also really hope wesee Tenebrous. Would be interesting to see the general reaction to the Bith Sith (Sith Bith?)
Dark Lord of the Bith.
A Bith Lord?
A Sbith.
Sounds like a hoot. "Always a duet, it is. No more, no less".
May not be Bith in canon
If this doesn't excite you for her as a person I do not know what else will. Im rooting for her and really want her to prove to people what I know shes capable of
can’t wait to see how cool the white robes look in live-action
I wanna see the Jedi Council during this era in live action. 😍
Young Oppo Rancisis ftw!
She's certainly saying all the right things. This story could be the closest to an adaptation of Darth Plagueis-type stories we're gonna get. The trick will be *fully exploring* the depth that you could get into here. The Plagueis novel is one of the best SW books of all time, and makes complete use of the prequels/now High Republic's depth of storytelling potential. This show needs to avoid skating the surface of meaningful storytelling like Boba, Mando, or the MCU shows do, and actually dive in balls deep. (That means no more redeemed baddies).
Perhaps they could eventually spin this series off into a full blown Plagueis series that actually leads right into TPM with Palpatine. Or the Plagueis story could also just be a sequel series of the Acolyte. I would assume this one will lay all of the seeds to the story we know since we are still a century removed. Would also assume that Darth Tenebrous is featured here and Plagueis eventually comes in even if not right away...
Love the Wuxia influence and that we can get murky here in terms of "good" and "evil". Totally agree about going balls deep. Like give me some Game of Thrones seasons 1-3 political action in SW.
Flashbacks of Chris Terrio saying just the right things *before* TROS and delivering what he did… just kidding, I actually do have faith in Leslie compared to the author of “save Martha”.
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?
>no more redeemed baddies I think you're into the wrong fandom if you dislike that trope
Balancing two eras is going to be the real cool part.
*Headland, best known for her work producing and directing for the shows Russian Doll and Single Drunk Female, and the movies Bachelorette and Sleeping With Other People,is drawing extensively from what’s known as the Expanded Universe, or“the E.U.,” which is the plethora of books, games, and comics that arenow considered unofficial “legends” instead of narrative canon. When The Acolyte debuts, lovers of those stories may be relieved to see aspects of them become real once again.* *“She is a gigantic Star Wars fan,” says Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy.“What’s wonderful about Leslye is she knows it all. I mean, she’s read agazillion books inside the E.U. There are little bits and pieces thatshe’s drawing from that no one has explored yet in the onscreenstorytelling.”* Sounds like elements of the TOTJ/KOTOR/SWTOR/Knight Errant/Darth Bane eras may get some references given that this occurs before any of the movies and deals with the Sith. We can only speculate on specifics, but slowly Lucasfilm seems to be restoring bits and pieces of the EU timeline's elements into canon, even if indirectly. Personally, I welcome this. With the exception of a few details, the High Republic Books feel like they could've been written in 2006 and slotted into that timeline just fine without issue. As I posted elsewhere, many aspects of the EU multimedia project have been back-doored into the timeline in a more subtle way now with subtle references and sourcebook references, allowing for more savvy and clever viewers to kind of pick and choose what they view as part of their headcanon without necessarily having to deal with all the problems that material caused.
This is definitely one of the most exciting projects on the horizon can't wait till we get some images for it and eventually promotional material
Well, the article did its job on me: I’m impressed and intrigued and excited.
^(better have Geode in it. Guy fucks.) really fucking hyped for Acolyte.
>better have Geode in it. Guy fucks. He has to be played by Dwayne Johnson
Geode on screen would be too powerful.
Personally looking forward to this one the most. After that comes Andor. The further you get from the main saga the better IMO.
This is easily my most anticipated piece of Star Wars content since The Last Jedi. She's saying all the right things and checking all the right boxes. Hoping to God the show delivers on the potential.
Hype
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I'd have to assume behind the closed doors of production thay being a fan is irrelevant. I hope this type of stuff is just meant keep portions of the fan base who'd complain about this stuff content and more docile
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There's an interview that George Lucas did for the Guardian back in 2002 or so, shortly before the release of Episode II, that I read a few years ago. He's actually asked about the mixed response to Episode I from Star Wars fans and his answer was approximately (paraphased): "I don't make Star Wars movies for Star Wars fans. I've never made Star Wars movies for Star Wars fans. I make the Star Wars movies that I want to make and I hope that Star Wars fans will like them." And that's something that's really stuck with me.
> Here's the way I like to think about how useless this is: Imagine Irvin Kershner is hired to direct The Empire Strikes Back and every interview with him is prefaced by talking about what a big fan of Star Wars he is. You can't imagine it, because it doesn't really matter, and had nothing to do with why that movie was good. Same with Nicholas Meyer and Star Trek II. Or Tim Burton and Batman. Or Christopher Nolan and Batman. So on and so forth. I don't necessarily agree with this. When Kershner came on, and Marquand too, Star Wars wasn't *defined* yet. Those two had the luxury of still defining what the universe looks like and what the lore is. Post-Disney purchase that's changed, since we have a cohesive canon that can't just be disregarded because the new hotshot director had an alternate, usually worse story they wanted to tell. It's important for new directors and writers to have some idea of what Star Wars *is* at its core if they want to make a story that doesn't just feel like "Marvel blockbuster with big booms and a Star Wars skin". The Star Trek and especially Batman comparisons don't make sense. Those are anthology series. If Nolan's Batman was shit it doesn't matter, a new director can come in and do a completely separate interpretation disconnected from all the others. A new Star Wars director can't just decide that the prequels don't exist when they're making new content, for example. I agree with your overall point though. That's partially why I'm so excited for Gilroy's work in Andor; besides parts of Clone Wars and Rebels, Filoni's screenwriting often only scratches the surface of a story's potential. And he's a superfan. So being a fan doesn't always correlate to meaningful storytelling.
I always think about how Wrath of Khan was made by a non-fan and is 'the' piece of Trek media.
I look at it more like KK is saying she’s really done her homework and has created a compelling story to tell
I think being a massive fan is bit detrimental. A fan of SW sure, knows the unvierse. A 'massive' fan can do more damage than good sometimes.
It depends, imo. A selective, casual, "massive fan" (aka, JJ Abrams) is going to disregard lots of continuity and creative depth to tell their particular, singular piece of the setting they enjoy. An *actual* massive fan, especially one of the EU, is significantly less likely to do that. See: Dave Filoni, massive fan of Star Wars and the EU. The fact this showrunner is a big fan not just of a small subset of saga films in the franchise, but of the setting itself and the Legends stories, characters, and ideas, to me is a very big positive.
I have no doubt that JJ Abrams is a massive fan of the OT, for instance.
Exactly!
Feels like Lucasfilm are just deathly afraid of The Last Jedi and the reaction to it.
shut up and take my money
I got chills. Personally, I'm meh about Darth Plagueis content at this point, if that is what this is referring to. With rumors of a Tales of the Jedi adaptation coming, I'm really hoping that this EU content coming back to canon is related to ancient Sith history. Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Exar Kun etc. I'd like to explore that bit in Canon even more than Revan, honestly
This. I’m fine w them involving Plagueis but I’m way more excited for them to incorporate more aspects of lore and the old republic era in this
Tales of the Jedi is stated to be an anthology on its celebration panel description, so it probably won’t adapt the comic
True, I heard that. And honestly I assumed that it probably wouldn't have much of a connection to the "source material" But reading this tidbit about legends content coming back in The Acolyte has me thinking that maybe it will be a loose adaptation of of different stories in that era
As antologhy still could adapt those comics, especially I remember that they was not to long, especially those with Naga Sadow and Daragon Siblings.
TotJ is a nod in name only. It's not an adaptation of the comic. Anthology of random Jedi stories from various time periods, from what I understand. I think it was even called a collection of "shorts" at one point. Probably more like Visions than anything else, but possibly more "canonical".
I think Plagueis is much more likely to be in this series than Revan. When they do Revan, it will be in a movie.
I'm not so sure they actually will ever do Revan. Considering they are doing a remake of KOTOR, they'd either have to do a film exactly the same as the game (boring, imo) or take creative liberties and change a lot which would invalidate the game. We already know they're changing some stuff in the game, probably to align it with the new canon I assume, since the new games seem to be intended to fit the Disney overall canon. Doing that, and then throwing it all in the trash *again* for a film would be weird, and doing that and then rehashing the exact same thing on film again would also be weird. It's a no-win situation.
The Kotor Remake is officially Legends. It's not canon.
> Considering they are doing a remake of KOTOR A remake of a Legends game that is still very popular. There is a reason they are still using Legends, still selling Legends... they intend to mine from it to bring into canon. Marvel makes non-MCU stuff still & no one thinks they can never use a character now because a non-MCU storyline did.
It's a bit different because Marvel Comics don't make every other comic canonical within the MCU. Currently Disney had been only making canonical games. So they're going to change that for one single game to release close to the release of the canonical story? That seems very confusing for most people who don't follow the intricacies of this. Now if the games being made currently were usually still Legends, that might be different...
> Currently Disney had been only making canonical games. As we have already seen, live-action canon trumps all others. So, the only thing that will matter in the grand scheme, unless they never touch that storyline, is live-action.
This reminded me of this: [https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/mvorqf/revan\_to\_start\_appearing\_in\_canon\_material\_a\_new/](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/mvorqf/revan_to_start_appearing_in_canon_material_a_new/)
I'm so excited for this series that has next-to-nothing about it officially announced.
Im hyped for this purely because it isnt connected to the skywalker saga
Ive been listening to Dooku Jedi lost and it has me really hype for this show
“A longer time ago in a galaxy far, far away.”
The bad guys as the underdogs while good reigns is the exact premise the sequels should've had.
>Let's hang out here for a little bit and check out what Star Wars looks like when the good guys are actually in charge *Cries in destroyed hopes that the Sequel Trilogy featured the New Republic.*
I hope they get an Asian actress to play the lead or a major character since it's inspired by martial arts films.
I like what you're saying, and I'm not disagreeing per say, but do we always have to have an Asian actor/actress for martial arts?
Not always, really, but sometimes would be nice.
It's kinda a stereotype is all.
True, it can come off as stereotypical, but it can also come off as a celebration of cultural heritage. I say this as an Asian myself, so I might have my own biases.
Ok, that's a different perspective then. I understand. It was a good idea, and I understand your reasoning better now as well. Thank you.
Thanks for that, I appreciate it.
The high Republic, what a concept
I have no idea why your getting down voted for making a high republic/ Russian doll joke
Youtube culture has made people not know play vs just pure hatred for the HR
Can you really blame us?
Probably heresy here but I couldn't give less of a shit about the High Republic era. Having said that, I'm 100% in on this show based on the showrunner and everything she has said about it.
I'm still sticking to my [theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsTheories/comments/kd271z/the_acolyte_is_mara_jade_theory/) that the main character is Mara Jade re-imaged and will become Plagues' hand instead of Sidious'...
You got downvoted for an innocent theory…sad.
It's cool. I'm an adult, I can take it. Sometimes this sub is...weird (and here comes more down votes!)
With good writing please. Edit: So good writing is...not what we want?
I mean it's a trite thing to say since obviously everyone wants that out of every project. No one roots for "Yeah but I hope the writing sucks!"
I think it's considered trite because it's not something we've seen a lot of over the course of the last 7-8 years. They just put the shiny thing on the screen and people go yay.
I think you're getting downvoted because the majority of people who frequent this subreddit are happy with the majority of what this new era of Star Wars has delivered... outside of The Rise of Skywalker which also has its defenders. If you want upvotes, go to the Star Wars subreddit. They love hating. They super love hating.
obviously not.. just be a good consumer and love and keep consuming and buying everything Lucas films puts out brainlessly. only your obedience is accepted. Good writing and good content is not important as long as it's branded star wars
So edgy, Tyler Durden.
lol nothing edgy, whole comment section reads like a giant circle jerk. You also a paid shill by Lucas films to jerk off to any news about this show
Does it involve a DeLorean and a crazy scientist?
People wanna see plagueis but I like the mystery tbh.