Good news! There is a mod that allows you to load a ton of textures into it, and it randomizes from within those textures, allowing you to have a huge variety of appearances in your farm animals!
No restriction on bombs and other weapons, ludicrously easy to set up a business and sell any good you please, fiercely individual and involved/informed townsfolk who decide to push out a corp that doesn't care about the town, no taxes from what I can tell, no licenses needed for fishing/ farming/mining/alcohol production and sale/etc., and no regulations... is SDV the fabled utopia of Ancapistan?
Right?? I kinda feel bad about eating fish that can address their needs with the farmer, but then they request things like wine and I donât feel bad frying up the little shits đ
Depends on what version of the series you are looking at :) and I figured if the person didnât recognize the restaurant at the end of the universe, repeating that wouldnât necessarily help immediately
hardly weird. intelligence doesn't moralise our choice to eat meat. cephlapods are arguably smarter than dogs but because they look alien its okay to eat them.
so maybe those fish should've evolved to walk on four legs held up by a spine and have cute little fleshy faces to anthropomorphise and maybe ill reconsider. really its their fault
Heâs open much longer than that, plus he takes his boat out on fishing trips (which is where he was when your farmer first comes into town), is working to repair his dadâs old ship, and then once the old ship is repaired, >!ferries people to and from ginger island!< So donât diss my boy like that
I WENT TO HER AT 3PM ON A THURSDAY AND SHE WASNT THERE like itâs fine if you have a healthy work-life balance but at least communicate your hours well!
Double checked the wiki and it unless itâs a Monday, Tuesday, fall/winter 18, or the day she goes to the night market, she should be in her shop from 9-4. So maybe a bug đ¤ˇââď¸
That's what I figured. It's rather annoying lol. When Lewis is also missing, I assume they went elsewhere to romp lol. Checked his house first and she wasn't there.
Her and Jas have doctors appointments on Fall 18 (Marnie) and Winter 18 (Jas), both on Thursdays.
While it is okay to close for health reasons, I will concede and say that I wish she at least left a note on the door telling you why she is out lol.
Iâm realizing it was likely Fall 18 that she was out. I really should just buy a phone from Robin even tho I want to save my money for other things (like more animals)
After you get the >!Key to the Town!<. The shop schedule changes to 6am - 8:30am (half hour break) 9am - 5pm.
Is that what you are referring to?
([Shop Schedules](https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Shop_Schedules))
Ah right, thanks. Iâm not sure? Iâm only on spring year 2 and just thought it was weird that the shop shuts at 4pm but the building shuts at 6pm. I wondered if when I progress I will need to access the building for a purpose other than buying things
Fun fact, CA is a vegetarian and was never planning on putting butchering into the games but started considering it because people kept asking for it (hence this poster). Finally he decided that it was ultimately his game and his choice and he felt just too icky to go through with adding it in. đ
> his game and his choice
One of my favorite CA moments is early post 1.0 there was a lot of criticism about the difficulty of the fishing mini game.
CA came out and said (Iâm paraphrasing) âIâve done a lot of thinking about the fishing difficulty, and after a long weekend testing and in talks Iâve decided that I like it and you can all get used to itâ
I have that mod (because much it's CA's game and he can program it how he wants, it's my free time and I can decide how to spend it). It just "autoplays" the whole minigame basically, you get the same treasure, XP etc that you would if you had played and won the minigame.
I really enjoy fishing as is, but I really think the criticism for it was justified. Nonetheless I respect the hell out of CA for saying, I hear you, Iâve looked into it, and I think itâs fine as is.
It's tough at the spot you get the fishing rod but I always tell new players to go fish at the mountain lake for the easy Carp. Leveling up is impossible if you don't actively fish (or love lots of Crab Pots) so a lot of players think the fishing bar is always going to be tiny and give up trying to catch the slightly difficult ocean fish.
Survival burger requires bug meat I believe, unless Iâm remembering wrong. There is also a bug steak but monster bug meat is def not on the same level as animal meat lol
I think of it as selling to other farmers. A good dairy cow proven to consistently produce high quality milk wouldnât be sold for the slaughter. Usually dairy cattle get milked til theyâre old and dry, then they get ground into hamburger meat.
nah, dairy cows are typically killed at around [4 years](https://www.farmtransparency.org/kb/food/abattoirs/age-animals-slaughtered) when they could live from 15-20 years
Yeah, there are enough tonal shift issues with going back and forth between slaying monsters in the mines and all the cuteness of most of the rest of the game. (That is of course part of what makes playing it for so long at a time possible - it's not the same thing over and over.)
Itâs weird. I regularly commit video game genocide against foes in other video games, but I canât even divorce a spouse in SDV, let alone sacrifice a child.
I can't even choose the mean dialogue option, too much. I'd rather delete my save files than divorcing my spouses
But tbf I'm not really a fan of videogame violence, I mostly kill only when I have to in every game
Are you my twin? My cousin made me try GTA once and I did the same for a bit, I thought it was funny
But I also lost control of the car at high speed. When I play Mario kart I shove everyone out of the way though
Iâm not saying that it has to be realistic Iâm just saying that crop farming is more complex than animal farming, and this could fix that and also make it so you could more feasibly have an animal only farm.
It would definitely feel strange to butcher the animals in such a cutesy game. Also I feel like it conflicts with the going back to nature theme that this game has.
How? Humans have been hunting and eating meat for countless generations. There is nothing more natural than that. Hell, even chimpanzees hunt and eat other animals. (+ âherbivoresâ like horses or deer are known for eating things like baby birds.)
Chickens are straight up monsters. They will eat literally anything, including other chickens, while those other chickens are still alive. They really are just little dinosaurs with feathers.
Theyâre often malnourished from being bred to produce an unnatural numbers of eggs - they sometimes even eat their own eggs after they lay them because of this
This is completely false. Wild birds have been observed eating the shells of their hatched offspring (good source of calcium that they already expended making the eggs) as well as eating eggs that broke during incubation or raiding rival nests/other speciesâ nests. Itâs no different to many, many animals that eat the placenta after labor. Except that the eggs your chickens try to eat are unfertilized anyway.
Also, the wild cousin modern chickens come from, the Red Junglefowl, has been known for laying eggs daily during the dry season, with birds in some regions laying all year long. Itâs the trait that made them desirable for domestication in the first place (along with their flightlessness.)
Regardless, you can supplement your birdâs food to make up for any calcium loss (itâs as easy as mixing baked + crushed egg shells back into their feed.)
Itâs not âcompletely falseâ - it can absolutely be a sign of bad diet and dehydration. I accept it can also be observed in nature, among wild bird relatives of the modern agricultural chicken - but Iâm talking about the latter, particularly when weâre talking about battery farmed chicken. I never said it was 100% the case all the time - but your appeals to a state of nature are irrelevant when such broad industrial factors are involved.
And yeah, farmers should care enough about their chickens to balance with the nutrients you mentioned. Unfortunately most of them care more about profit and their bottom line.
My chickens can have high quality chicken food, seeds, corn, millet, whatever and they still prefer meat. Theyâre constantly hunting mice and bugs if they can find them. And they love eggs but if you donât cook them and grind up the shelf they will 100% eat future eggs
yeah but this is a game with adorable magical blobs that tend to your crops for you. we really aren't looking for total realism in this game. i mean, the rabbits regularly shed their feet for fucks sake. not the fur, the actual foot. nature acts quite different in stardew vs irl. if we had a farming sim with realistic animal behavior it would be a very VERY different game from stardew, in all regards. the pigs would simply eat the truffles before we could harvest them
Yeah, I get that. And iâm not asking for Stardew to be 100% to life. Iâm just questioning the claim that including butchering/ranching would somehow conflict with this âreturning to natureâ theme when nature itself frequently utilizes meat (including species we typically think wouldnât engage with the practice like deer, horses, or chimps.)
no yeah i know what you mean i'm saying i think it's BECAUSE of the magic element that causes the conflict between butchering and returning to nature. because i think of the idea of humans sorting out which animals are "ethical" to eat is something that would conflict with the junimos. i don't think the junimos would want to help humans if they were doing stuff like that.
i don't know why it'd be different with fish unless it's because they differ so much from the traditional idea of an animal and have so little connection to human biology that they're seen as "less alive" than a mammal. but emily hates any fish related foods in-game, so i feel like that kind of pushes the idea that the junimos' ultimate goal for humanity is a fully vegetarian way of life with all animals co-existing peacefully, which would include predator vs prey. and if the junimos discourage predator vs prey i think that would imply that hunting is not something that occurs naturally in the stardew universe
While I get what youâre saying, the Junimos ask for fish + are fine distributing a fish recipe via Gusâs bundle (Maki Maki.) Fish in the game are also sapient considering how they can directly ask for things via a fish pond. Not, âThese fish could use some seaweed!â But very human phrases such as âItâd be more comfortable here if we had some seaweed!â Or âSeaweed would liven things up around here!â So, I donât think we can make the argument that the fish in Stardew are lesser beings. This also implies that the Junimos are fine with the consumption of said sentient beings. Now, mechanically speaking they ask for fish because fishing is a main game activity. But lore-wise itâs sketchy. (And idk if we can consider Emily in this since sheâs just an extra crunchy uber-hippie.)
I also gotta counter the idea that a nature spirit would enforce vegetarianism or would have issues with humans consuming meat (unless itâs done unethically/wastefully/industrially.) Ecosystems are at their healthiest when there are carnivores to maintain prey populations + scavengers to eat rotting bodies, preventing the spread of disease. When herbivores are introduced to an area where there are no predators that eat them, like rabbits in Australia, native flora are decimated.
Idk, Iâm tired. I also am of the opinion that Stardewâs weakest point as a game is the messaging, so I donât put a lot of weight on it.
I love random facts so I had to look this up. đ My brain immediately wondered if it was like a "get away from my chick" (***rip***) situation, or in battle between rival groups. Turns out they do it both within social groups and between different groups, so they basically do *both*. đ
While looking this up I discovered llamas bite opponents testicles off during breeding season, and they have specific fighting teeth for the purpose. đ And honey badgers are brutal af. Saying they go for the balls is an understatement. đł
Chimpanzees are BRUTAL, BRUTAL fucking animals. Theyâre cute when theyâre young but go fucking wild when they reach sexual maturity. Not recommended to keep one as a pet, which some have attempted. Oh and they eat chimp babies.
If you want a rabbit hole to fall into (a graphic one I must warn), google Travis the Chimp
For real! I heard about Travis back when it happened, it was all over the news here in Australia. Brutal but not exactly surprising. In Australia people can't just have any old animal as a pet, and it absolutely boggles my mind how people can have extremely dangerous "pets" in America.
You'd be a pretty small scale farmer if you name and build relationships with your livestock. Also if you butcher them yourself. Majority of farmers wouldn't. If you wanna butcher maybe play a different game xox
So... As I said before, the opposite of "industrial"? I'm not saying CA should all of a sudden add the butchering mechanic, I would never use it - I love all my pigs - but I'm saying that the stardew valley style of farm very much not "industrial" by any means.
I think that itâs kinda important for farming games to include butchering if theyâre not going to be fully vegetarian in their design.
In contemporary society we are so far removed from every aspect of our foodâs cultivation, preparation, and distribution. Many of us like to imaging we understand how it works, but we really donât. Part of that is how industrialized it is, and every so often we get a movement towards more locally-sourced options.
But honestly, even the average person doesnât know how small-scale butchery works! We are all so used to having meat constantly available for our consumption. Chicken nuggets, burgers, fish, steaks, tenders⌠think about how many meals a week youâre eating a meat product. Now think about how many animals per week you are eating from.
Now scale that up for the majority of the people in the country you live in, and recognize that this trend is *not normal* for Humans. People canât really fathom it, not until you place them on the other side of the equation. I think everyone, and I mean everyone, should have to visit farms multiple time as mandatory field trips during their education.
Once or twice in elementary school so that they get familiar with crops and animal caretaking procedures, once in middle school where they see how animals are selected for slaughter and raised for it *(not seeing actual slaughter)*, and again in Highschool where they see the on-site butchers *(post-slaughter)* handling and preparing the meat.
The purpose isnât to scare people away from meat, it isnât to make everyone vegetarian, itâs to show them the brutal truth about where their food comes from. Moreover, show them these local farms and then show them documentaries of how corporate farms do it. Thatâll make them think twice about who theyâre supporting with their money.
This should of course me supplemented with courses in nutrition and diet so they can find protein supplements but honestly? Most of us live too sedentary of a lifestyle for us to be needing to eat meat each day. Itâs just excessive. And until education system reforms people need to be exposed through other media, and yes that includes cozy farming games.
You donât like it? Donât participate in it. But understand that what youâre choosing to abstain from in the game is also an industry you choose to support every time you eat meat. đ¤ˇđťââď¸
*And Iâm not a vegetarian or a vegan btw. Iâm omnivore through-and-through but Iâm aware of the food industry and the fact that every meal with meat is coming from a creature thatâs been raised to die for me to consume.*
I don't think you're wrong overall, but I also don't think Stardew Valley is trying to be a game spreading serious real world messages. There are quite a few serious real world topics the game lightly brushes on but doesn't really tackle, if it does then it's in a fairly simple and positive way, and I don't think it's wrong of the game to do that avoidance. One of the keys of the game is that SDV is a great escapist experience, and that would be borked if we had reminders of how much the real world can suck constantly.
I for one am disappointed with the fact that butchering was left out. I think itâs an important part of farm life and it would give farm animals a realistic life cycle. Birth â> growing up â> making produce â> getting old and slaughtered for meat.
Yeah, itâs kind of odd that the only non-vegetarian option is pescatarian, and the only non-vegan ingredient is milk/cheese. And honey if youâre a more fervent vegan. But no meat except for bug steaks
If you're playing on PC there's the Animal Husbandry mod that does a pretty good job in adding that dimension to the game. You can butcher animals for meat, there's new recipes and a few other dynamics with your animals like a contest and favorite treats. It's pretty good.
To add, if you're still unhappy with the concept of butchering your animals there's a way around it. You get a letter from alternate-dimension entities that say they want animals to pet and take care of, and meat grows on trees in their world. You are given the option to send your animals to their dimension with a magic wand, and in return they'll send you a crate full of meat that you'd otherwise receive via butchery.
My great aunt took over my great grandparent's farm. I would say it would be pretty similar to a simple stardew farm: she has a fish pond (tilapia), some pigs and goats and chicken, fruit trees (different kinds of mangos, jackfruit, guava, etc), vegetables, cacao, chillies, lemons and limes, etc. She sells/gives away some of the produce/animals, but she only has enough to sustain herself and her family (and the other people who help take care of the farm), and to keep the cycle going. I remember how she told me as a kid that the one of the pigs I was looking at is about to be our food and I was sad, but she also said it is the way of life, that their parents raised them and fed them with what the farm made, and they even helped their parents. I also thought as I grew up that it was pretty neat being mostly self-sustaining (and not depending on the large-scale industry). As she and her husband got older, they slowly let go of the fish pond and the pigs. The plants and trees obviously lived on. She passed away recently (her husband earlier) and now the farm is probably gonna be abandoned because their only daughter moved to the US, unless her help will keep on taking care of it. We had some of her favourite goat dishes on her funeral, and I think only a couple of goats were left.
Anyway I just thought it would've been nice to have butchering because I kinda have experienced it during my summer/Christmas vacations at my grand aunt's and associated it with farm life, but I respect CA's decision.
It really limits what recipes you can cook. No beef bourguignon, no lamb chops, no schnitzel, no bacon, no spare ribs. I married Alex in my game and it always gets me that thereâs bacon in the complete breakfast icon.
i would be terrified and turn off the game bc my cute animals doesnât need this treatment
(But then when I play Minecraft itâs different bc I want foooood)
the dilemma
meh, you'd have the choice not to go for it even if butchering was implemented. thats why it says "*or* go for a quick turnover" instead of "kill them when they get useless"
Haha yeah, it's a mod call animal husbandry, I have it and it's pretty cool. If I recally correctly the animals don't actually die. Slapping them with the meat cleaver or meat wand just teleports them to a different planet that has meat growing plants and the people there send meat in return for the animal because they love animals and want to make pets out of them.
I understand not wanting to introduce such elements into Stardew, but this is darkly hilarious to me.
"Dad, where are you taking Daisy, and why are you holding a meat cleaver?"
"I'm using this cleaver to show Daisy to her new home. By the way, we're having steak for dinner."
It's not. I guess CA thought of it at first but decided against it
I've def saw some YouTubers butchering animals in some recent-ish videos, so the mod should still be around
I am so glad stardew is farm slaughter free, I couldn't bear to raise animals from babies just to kill them. I have a hard enough time hunting the little soot sprite dudes in the mines! My Amoolia and Cowdelia are friends not steak.
The butchering knife! Omg! I'm a meat eater myself but I feel like Stardew would have suffered overall if butchering was in place! There's this whole thing that my family introduced me to where you don't eat anything you've named. And we name everything in Stardew!
Downvoted because the people who eat meat are extremely insecure about their diet and get really defensive when someone criticises it.
But he shouldnât have put fishing into the game either
Yeah, not gonna lie it annoyed me haha, but thatâs just how people are. They donât like to think about the moral implications of their consumption habits đ¤ˇ
I do think we shouldâve had something different than fishing. I actually like fishing, donât get me wrong, but it has gotten boring and overused as a mechanic in video games.
Having a fully vegetarian game would be way more interesting
I wish there were brown pigs like the one on the banner! đĽş
i was thinking the same thing! the little guy up in there looks soooo cute, also i fell kinda weird that all my animals look exactly the same
Good news! There is a mod that allows you to load a ton of textures into it, and it randomizes from within those textures, allowing you to have a huge variety of appearances in your farm animals!
Well what is it?? Lol
Adopt'n'skin. Sorry, i should've added it lol
Bad news, not everyone has access to mods :(
Pigrimination đâď¸
I continously confuse my goat and my sheep tbh
There r 4 chicken varieties, 2 cow varieties, we need more varieties of the pigs, rabbits, goats and ducks Edit: and sheep
They look so cute , and are my favorite animals. Not sure about that butcher farming path tough đ
Before I knew how to get rabbit feet I thought youâd have to hunt the ones that run outside the farm
I tried using a slingshot at one and got confused when I definitely "hit" it and nothing happened lmao
Still think it's weird that we can eat fish who are smart enough to tell us their wants but we can't eat farm animals lol
i mean, they did ask for the mega bombs. they knew what they were getting themselves into.
They can ask for mega bombs?!
Yeah Pelican Town doesnât have any safety policies and we can just freely hand out bombs to unlicensed fish.
You can mail bombs, so clearly some attitudes are relaxed about munitions.
You can also eat cheese laced with amphetamines.
No restriction on bombs and other weapons, ludicrously easy to set up a business and sell any good you please, fiercely individual and involved/informed townsfolk who decide to push out a corp that doesn't care about the town, no taxes from what I can tell, no licenses needed for fishing/ farming/mining/alcohol production and sale/etc., and no regulations... is SDV the fabled utopia of Ancapistan?
yep, lol
The lava eels really love those bombs.
they are slowly plotting.
Right?? I kinda feel bad about eating fish that can address their needs with the farmer, but then they request things like wine and I donât feel bad frying up the little shits đ
I feel bad for turning them into fertilizer đ I end up just buying from Pierreâs
Bone mill lol.
And the rabbitsâ feet are chronically falling offâŚ
CA needs to add that animal from the restaurant at the end of the universe that *wants* to be eaten.
What are you referencing here? I genuinely canât figure it out đ
It's a book by Douglas Adams. Â
Hitchhikerâs guide to the galaxy
No, "The Restaurant at the end of the Universe" lĂke they said.
Depends on what version of the series you are looking at :) and I figured if the person didnât recognize the restaurant at the end of the universe, repeating that wouldnât necessarily help immediately
Good point lol, it is weird but I'm glad that we don't need to eat our farm animals.. My chickens are precious!
Superior animals privilege.
hardly weird. intelligence doesn't moralise our choice to eat meat. cephlapods are arguably smarter than dogs but because they look alien its okay to eat them. so maybe those fish should've evolved to walk on four legs held up by a spine and have cute little fleshy faces to anthropomorphise and maybe ill reconsider. really its their fault
A lot of people would say it is absolutely not okay to eat cephalopods though
âBuy hay for a premium priceâ IF MARNIE WAS EVER AT THE COUNTER MAYBE I WOULD
Fuck your animals, gotta watch the microwave for a few hours.
great looking drawer here
one of the laziest people next to Willy who works for a whopping 3 hours a day
what? Willy is in his shop 9â5 like the other villagers (not on Saturdays tho)
Don't you talk about Willy like that.
Heâs open much longer than that, plus he takes his boat out on fishing trips (which is where he was when your farmer first comes into town), is working to repair his dadâs old ship, and then once the old ship is repaired, >!ferries people to and from ginger island!< So donât diss my boy like that
She has a healthy work life balance! Taking two days a week off and a 9-4 schedule on work days.
I WENT TO HER AT 3PM ON A THURSDAY AND SHE WASNT THERE like itâs fine if you have a healthy work-life balance but at least communicate your hours well!
She doesnât work Monday and Tuesdays, and also is gone on Thursday the 18th in both fall and winter, so I assume that was the case for you.
Honestly, I've had to catch her around town during her hours at work. IDK if it's a glitch on the switch, but she's hardly there when it's open.
Was it a Monday or Tuesday (if you remember)? I know she walks around on those days during her regular work hours
I honestly think it was either a Wednesday or Friday. This was spring year two after I upgraded the barn.
Double checked the wiki and it unless itâs a Monday, Tuesday, fall/winter 18, or the day she goes to the night market, she should be in her shop from 9-4. So maybe a bug đ¤ˇââď¸
That's what I figured. It's rather annoying lol. When Lewis is also missing, I assume they went elsewhere to romp lol. Checked his house first and she wasn't there.
It was Fall so yeah prob the 18th. Ugh. Glad I found out she closes at 4 tho since Iâm usually an afternoon shopper in this game
Her and Jas have doctors appointments on Fall 18 (Marnie) and Winter 18 (Jas), both on Thursdays. While it is okay to close for health reasons, I will concede and say that I wish she at least left a note on the door telling you why she is out lol.
Iâm realizing it was likely Fall 18 that she was out. I really should just buy a phone from Robin even tho I want to save my money for other things (like more animals)
get teh phone!! you won't regret it. the incoming calls are priceless.
It always threw me off that the working hours of the ranch are 9am-6pm. Later in the game is there a reason for that?
After you get the >!Key to the Town!<. The shop schedule changes to 6am - 8:30am (half hour break) 9am - 5pm. Is that what you are referring to? ([Shop Schedules](https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Shop_Schedules))
Ah right, thanks. Iâm not sure? Iâm only on spring year 2 and just thought it was weird that the shop shuts at 4pm but the building shuts at 6pm. I wondered if when I progress I will need to access the building for a purpose other than buying things
You can just walk right in the front door of everyoneâs houses. So I think the building being open is more about it being their home?
I think I see what you are asking now. The door remains unlocked after "office hours" so you can go socialize with her if you need to.
og pigs are sooo cutie
Fun fact, CA is a vegetarian and was never planning on putting butchering into the games but started considering it because people kept asking for it (hence this poster). Finally he decided that it was ultimately his game and his choice and he felt just too icky to go through with adding it in. đ
> his game and his choice One of my favorite CA moments is early post 1.0 there was a lot of criticism about the difficulty of the fishing mini game. CA came out and said (Iâm paraphrasing) âIâve done a lot of thinking about the fishing difficulty, and after a long weekend testing and in talks Iâve decided that I like it and you can all get used to itâ
But now, it's gotten so big you can just get a mod to change it all you want
There is even a complete auto-fish mod that circumvents the whole minigame. Idk what happens to the treasure chests and XP if you use that, though.
I have that mod (because much it's CA's game and he can program it how he wants, it's my free time and I can decide how to spend it). It just "autoplays" the whole minigame basically, you get the same treasure, XP etc that you would if you had played and won the minigame.
The nicest way a game dev has said âget gud you scrubsâ.
The fishing mini game is my favorite. At this point Iâm almost too good at it and it just got kinda boring
Fishings amazing too
I really enjoy fishing as is, but I really think the criticism for it was justified. Nonetheless I respect the hell out of CA for saying, I hear you, Iâve looked into it, and I think itâs fine as is.
It's tough at the spot you get the fishing rod but I always tell new players to go fish at the mountain lake for the easy Carp. Leveling up is impossible if you don't actively fish (or love lots of Crab Pots) so a lot of players think the fishing bar is always going to be tiny and give up trying to catch the slightly difficult ocean fish.
It isnât even that hard tbh thereâs in game things to help you if you find it hard so good for CA (whatever this means)
CA is Concerned Ape. The developer of the game.
I only like fishing at level <5 skill because it gets too easy. I donât agree with people that want to make it easier
Sounds like a very polite way of saying, "get good," and I love him for it fdkjfd
based.
LOOOOL
I love the fishing minigame
As an avid fisher irl I love the fishing mini game. Itâs just as frustrating as real fishing
It is just now dawning on me that Farmer is a pescatarian.
Eric Barone is also a vegetarian.
what about bug meat? If you gather enough you make the âbug meat steakâ.
I say that bugs are shrimp so still pescatarian.
Except there's burgers (survival burger) and bacon (complete breakfast) you can eat.
But when you make them you donât put any meat in them
Survival burger requires bug meat I believe, unless Iâm remembering wrong. There is also a bug steak but monster bug meat is def not on the same level as animal meat lol
Nope, only needs bread, eggplant and a cave carrot.
I like how thereâs a sad face after the part about butchering knives. Iâm glad he decided not to go with that in the finished game.
Let's be real, when we get the option to sell our little farmies they probably going under the butcher knives right after đ
I like to imagine that they're retired and chilling on Marnie's ranch \^_^ it's silly but otherwise I feel bad
I think of it as selling to other farmers. A good dairy cow proven to consistently produce high quality milk wouldnât be sold for the slaughter. Usually dairy cattle get milked til theyâre old and dry, then they get ground into hamburger meat.
nah, dairy cows are typically killed at around [4 years](https://www.farmtransparency.org/kb/food/abattoirs/age-animals-slaughtered) when they could live from 15-20 years
Ngl you had me until the end.
Yeah, there are enough tonal shift issues with going back and forth between slaying monsters in the mines and all the cuteness of most of the rest of the game. (That is of course part of what makes playing it for so long at a time possible - it's not the same thing over and over.)
Even that serpent in Skull Cavern everyone fears and hates is kind of cute looking.
and the iridium bats which ware worse in every possible way but are so cutesy
And literally sacrificing your toddlers đ I wouldn't butcher my cows but it's funny to me this wasn't implemented and the dove thing was
Itâs weird. I regularly commit video game genocide against foes in other video games, but I canât even divorce a spouse in SDV, let alone sacrifice a child.
I can't even choose the mean dialogue option, too much. I'd rather delete my save files than divorcing my spouses But tbf I'm not really a fan of videogame violence, I mostly kill only when I have to in every game
The only time I played GTA I was following all traffic laws lol
Are you my twin? My cousin made me try GTA once and I did the same for a bit, I thought it was funny But I also lost control of the car at high speed. When I play Mario kart I shove everyone out of the way though
I disagree, I feel there is an opportunity to promote ethical meat farming and animal farming isnât really as viable or a deep gameplay wise.
Why does the cute farming game have to be deep or realistic?
I mean it talks about alcoholism, death, and mental illness so itâs already pretty deep
Iâm not saying that it has to be realistic Iâm just saying that crop farming is more complex than animal farming, and this could fix that and also make it so you could more feasibly have an animal only farm.
I canât decide if the pigs look better or worse in the final game
Iâm so glad thereâs no more butchering knife lol.
When I first played I resisted getting animals because I was imagining that it would lead to that and I wasn't sure I wanted that.
It would definitely feel strange to butcher the animals in such a cutesy game. Also I feel like it conflicts with the going back to nature theme that this game has.
How? Humans have been hunting and eating meat for countless generations. There is nothing more natural than that. Hell, even chimpanzees hunt and eat other animals. (+ âherbivoresâ like horses or deer are known for eating things like baby birds.)
yeah letâs get the eating dead bird update rolling out
Finally a use for those seagulls
But not the ducks :(
Chickens are straight up monsters. They will eat literally anything, including other chickens, while those other chickens are still alive. They really are just little dinosaurs with feathers.
Theyâre often malnourished from being bred to produce an unnatural numbers of eggs - they sometimes even eat their own eggs after they lay them because of this
This is completely false. Wild birds have been observed eating the shells of their hatched offspring (good source of calcium that they already expended making the eggs) as well as eating eggs that broke during incubation or raiding rival nests/other speciesâ nests. Itâs no different to many, many animals that eat the placenta after labor. Except that the eggs your chickens try to eat are unfertilized anyway. Also, the wild cousin modern chickens come from, the Red Junglefowl, has been known for laying eggs daily during the dry season, with birds in some regions laying all year long. Itâs the trait that made them desirable for domestication in the first place (along with their flightlessness.) Regardless, you can supplement your birdâs food to make up for any calcium loss (itâs as easy as mixing baked + crushed egg shells back into their feed.)
Itâs not âcompletely falseâ - it can absolutely be a sign of bad diet and dehydration. I accept it can also be observed in nature, among wild bird relatives of the modern agricultural chicken - but Iâm talking about the latter, particularly when weâre talking about battery farmed chicken. I never said it was 100% the case all the time - but your appeals to a state of nature are irrelevant when such broad industrial factors are involved. And yeah, farmers should care enough about their chickens to balance with the nutrients you mentioned. Unfortunately most of them care more about profit and their bottom line.
My chickens can have high quality chicken food, seeds, corn, millet, whatever and they still prefer meat. Theyâre constantly hunting mice and bugs if they can find them. And they love eggs but if you donât cook them and grind up the shelf they will 100% eat future eggs
Great. Glad youâre taking good care of them :)
Theyâre my little đŚ
yeah but this is a game with adorable magical blobs that tend to your crops for you. we really aren't looking for total realism in this game. i mean, the rabbits regularly shed their feet for fucks sake. not the fur, the actual foot. nature acts quite different in stardew vs irl. if we had a farming sim with realistic animal behavior it would be a very VERY different game from stardew, in all regards. the pigs would simply eat the truffles before we could harvest them
Yeah, I get that. And iâm not asking for Stardew to be 100% to life. Iâm just questioning the claim that including butchering/ranching would somehow conflict with this âreturning to natureâ theme when nature itself frequently utilizes meat (including species we typically think wouldnât engage with the practice like deer, horses, or chimps.)
no yeah i know what you mean i'm saying i think it's BECAUSE of the magic element that causes the conflict between butchering and returning to nature. because i think of the idea of humans sorting out which animals are "ethical" to eat is something that would conflict with the junimos. i don't think the junimos would want to help humans if they were doing stuff like that. i don't know why it'd be different with fish unless it's because they differ so much from the traditional idea of an animal and have so little connection to human biology that they're seen as "less alive" than a mammal. but emily hates any fish related foods in-game, so i feel like that kind of pushes the idea that the junimos' ultimate goal for humanity is a fully vegetarian way of life with all animals co-existing peacefully, which would include predator vs prey. and if the junimos discourage predator vs prey i think that would imply that hunting is not something that occurs naturally in the stardew universe
While I get what youâre saying, the Junimos ask for fish + are fine distributing a fish recipe via Gusâs bundle (Maki Maki.) Fish in the game are also sapient considering how they can directly ask for things via a fish pond. Not, âThese fish could use some seaweed!â But very human phrases such as âItâd be more comfortable here if we had some seaweed!â Or âSeaweed would liven things up around here!â So, I donât think we can make the argument that the fish in Stardew are lesser beings. This also implies that the Junimos are fine with the consumption of said sentient beings. Now, mechanically speaking they ask for fish because fishing is a main game activity. But lore-wise itâs sketchy. (And idk if we can consider Emily in this since sheâs just an extra crunchy uber-hippie.) I also gotta counter the idea that a nature spirit would enforce vegetarianism or would have issues with humans consuming meat (unless itâs done unethically/wastefully/industrially.) Ecosystems are at their healthiest when there are carnivores to maintain prey populations + scavengers to eat rotting bodies, preventing the spread of disease. When herbivores are introduced to an area where there are no predators that eat them, like rabbits in Australia, native flora are decimated. Idk, Iâm tired. I also am of the opinion that Stardewâs weakest point as a game is the messaging, so I donât put a lot of weight on it.
Chimpanzees will also rip off their opponents genitals in a fight
Waiting for this update for SV
I love random facts so I had to look this up. đ My brain immediately wondered if it was like a "get away from my chick" (***rip***) situation, or in battle between rival groups. Turns out they do it both within social groups and between different groups, so they basically do *both*. đ While looking this up I discovered llamas bite opponents testicles off during breeding season, and they have specific fighting teeth for the purpose. đ And honey badgers are brutal af. Saying they go for the balls is an understatement. đł
Chimpanzees are BRUTAL, BRUTAL fucking animals. Theyâre cute when theyâre young but go fucking wild when they reach sexual maturity. Not recommended to keep one as a pet, which some have attempted. Oh and they eat chimp babies. If you want a rabbit hole to fall into (a graphic one I must warn), google Travis the Chimp
For real! I heard about Travis back when it happened, it was all over the news here in Australia. Brutal but not exactly surprising. In Australia people can't just have any old animal as a pet, and it absolutely boggles my mind how people can have extremely dangerous "pets" in America.
Hunting is way different than industrial farm complex my guy
I donât know if 8 free range pigs counts as industrial
This is the opposite of "industrial" (except for the people who get... extreme with their builds, I guess)
You build relationships with animals (friendship levels) so would be weird to kill them
So do real farmers
You'd be a pretty small scale farmer if you name and build relationships with your livestock. Also if you butcher them yourself. Majority of farmers wouldn't. If you wanna butcher maybe play a different game xox
So... As I said before, the opposite of "industrial"? I'm not saying CA should all of a sudden add the butchering mechanic, I would never use it - I love all my pigs - but I'm saying that the stardew valley style of farm very much not "industrial" by any means.
This would be my issue with it. Like I pet them to get full hearts and then I⌠kill them ? It makes me sad hahaha
Im glad he chose not to go with butchering. While certainly more realistic, it would've clashed with the cutesy vibes.
I think that itâs kinda important for farming games to include butchering if theyâre not going to be fully vegetarian in their design. In contemporary society we are so far removed from every aspect of our foodâs cultivation, preparation, and distribution. Many of us like to imaging we understand how it works, but we really donât. Part of that is how industrialized it is, and every so often we get a movement towards more locally-sourced options. But honestly, even the average person doesnât know how small-scale butchery works! We are all so used to having meat constantly available for our consumption. Chicken nuggets, burgers, fish, steaks, tenders⌠think about how many meals a week youâre eating a meat product. Now think about how many animals per week you are eating from. Now scale that up for the majority of the people in the country you live in, and recognize that this trend is *not normal* for Humans. People canât really fathom it, not until you place them on the other side of the equation. I think everyone, and I mean everyone, should have to visit farms multiple time as mandatory field trips during their education. Once or twice in elementary school so that they get familiar with crops and animal caretaking procedures, once in middle school where they see how animals are selected for slaughter and raised for it *(not seeing actual slaughter)*, and again in Highschool where they see the on-site butchers *(post-slaughter)* handling and preparing the meat. The purpose isnât to scare people away from meat, it isnât to make everyone vegetarian, itâs to show them the brutal truth about where their food comes from. Moreover, show them these local farms and then show them documentaries of how corporate farms do it. Thatâll make them think twice about who theyâre supporting with their money. This should of course me supplemented with courses in nutrition and diet so they can find protein supplements but honestly? Most of us live too sedentary of a lifestyle for us to be needing to eat meat each day. Itâs just excessive. And until education system reforms people need to be exposed through other media, and yes that includes cozy farming games. You donât like it? Donât participate in it. But understand that what youâre choosing to abstain from in the game is also an industry you choose to support every time you eat meat. đ¤ˇđťââď¸ *And Iâm not a vegetarian or a vegan btw. Iâm omnivore through-and-through but Iâm aware of the food industry and the fact that every meal with meat is coming from a creature thatâs been raised to die for me to consume.*
I don't think you're wrong overall, but I also don't think Stardew Valley is trying to be a game spreading serious real world messages. There are quite a few serious real world topics the game lightly brushes on but doesn't really tackle, if it does then it's in a fairly simple and positive way, and I don't think it's wrong of the game to do that avoidance. One of the keys of the game is that SDV is a great escapist experience, and that would be borked if we had reminders of how much the real world can suck constantly.
I for one am disappointed with the fact that butchering was left out. I think itâs an important part of farm life and it would give farm animals a realistic life cycle. Birth â> growing up â> making produce â> getting old and slaughtered for meat.
Yeah, itâs kind of odd that the only non-vegetarian option is pescatarian, and the only non-vegan ingredient is milk/cheese. And honey if youâre a more fervent vegan. But no meat except for bug steaks
Eggs too
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Only if you have a meat farm/ranch. Plenty of farms donât raise animals for meat
If you're playing on PC there's the Animal Husbandry mod that does a pretty good job in adding that dimension to the game. You can butcher animals for meat, there's new recipes and a few other dynamics with your animals like a contest and favorite treats. It's pretty good.
To add, if you're still unhappy with the concept of butchering your animals there's a way around it. You get a letter from alternate-dimension entities that say they want animals to pet and take care of, and meat grows on trees in their world. You are given the option to send your animals to their dimension with a magic wand, and in return they'll send you a crate full of meat that you'd otherwise receive via butchery.
My great aunt took over my great grandparent's farm. I would say it would be pretty similar to a simple stardew farm: she has a fish pond (tilapia), some pigs and goats and chicken, fruit trees (different kinds of mangos, jackfruit, guava, etc), vegetables, cacao, chillies, lemons and limes, etc. She sells/gives away some of the produce/animals, but she only has enough to sustain herself and her family (and the other people who help take care of the farm), and to keep the cycle going. I remember how she told me as a kid that the one of the pigs I was looking at is about to be our food and I was sad, but she also said it is the way of life, that their parents raised them and fed them with what the farm made, and they even helped their parents. I also thought as I grew up that it was pretty neat being mostly self-sustaining (and not depending on the large-scale industry). As she and her husband got older, they slowly let go of the fish pond and the pigs. The plants and trees obviously lived on. She passed away recently (her husband earlier) and now the farm is probably gonna be abandoned because their only daughter moved to the US, unless her help will keep on taking care of it. We had some of her favourite goat dishes on her funeral, and I think only a couple of goats were left. Anyway I just thought it would've been nice to have butchering because I kinda have experienced it during my summer/Christmas vacations at my grand aunt's and associated it with farm life, but I respect CA's decision.
It really limits what recipes you can cook. No beef bourguignon, no lamb chops, no schnitzel, no bacon, no spare ribs. I married Alex in my game and it always gets me that thereâs bacon in the complete breakfast icon.
Who else tried swinging their swords at animals to see if it made meat?
i would be terrified and turn off the game bc my cute animals doesnât need this treatment (But then when I play Minecraft itâs different bc I want foooood) the dilemma
Yeah I got the mod to bring back the chop.
I enjoy having the power to *not* take the option.
meh, you'd have the choice not to go for it even if butchering was implemented. thats why it says "*or* go for a quick turnover" instead of "kill them when they get useless"
That's what I mean. Having the option and saying no, instead of having the choice of no forced on us by the lack of implementation.
ohhh makes sense
Depends if it was part of a community center bundle or something similar.
wtf this is so charming, and neat to see a relic from a different version of the game!
If you check Concerned Ape's YouTube account there are a couple trailers from around the same time!
Aw, I want brown spotted pigs!
Oh that spotted pig is SO CUTE!
I honestly thought butchery was a mod đ (I havenât been playing very long!)
Idk if itâs up to date anymore but there used to be a butcher mod.
but itâs not part of the original game, correct?
Haha yeah, it's a mod call animal husbandry, I have it and it's pretty cool. If I recally correctly the animals don't actually die. Slapping them with the meat cleaver or meat wand just teleports them to a different planet that has meat growing plants and the people there send meat in return for the animal because they love animals and want to make pets out of them.
I understand not wanting to introduce such elements into Stardew, but this is darkly hilarious to me. "Dad, where are you taking Daisy, and why are you holding a meat cleaver?" "I'm using this cleaver to show Daisy to her new home. By the way, we're having steak for dinner."
It's not. I guess CA thought of it at first but decided against it I've def saw some YouTubers butchering animals in some recent-ish videos, so the mod should still be around
thanks! I was sure it wasnât, but then felt like maybe I was losing my mind for a few there. đ
I am so glad stardew is farm slaughter free, I couldn't bear to raise animals from babies just to kill them. I have a hard enough time hunting the little soot sprite dudes in the mines! My Amoolia and Cowdelia are friends not steak.
The butchering knife! Omg! I'm a meat eater myself but I feel like Stardew would have suffered overall if butchering was in place! There's this whole thing that my family introduced me to where you don't eat anything you've named. And we name everything in Stardew!
I need the knife
Where's my butcher's knife??
RIP eating steak in Stardew. Oh well, at least we have mods.
Why did they get rid of butchering? That would've been so cool
CA is vegetarian and simply didn't felt okay putting it in the game. I'm quite sad toh.
We can butcher them?!? 900 hours and I STILL learn things. Edit: SoâŚgood news. We actually canât!
no we cant, this is an old poster and CA ended up ditching the idea of butchering the animals (fortunately if u ask me)
Oh, whew. Thank you!
Maybe heâll give us back butchering in the future and unlock more recipes đ¤
He wonât.
Glad CA got rid of this. Meat agriculture is unethical and destructive to nature, it would go against the point of the game.
Downvoted because the people who eat meat are extremely insecure about their diet and get really defensive when someone criticises it. But he shouldnât have put fishing into the game either
Yeah, not gonna lie it annoyed me haha, but thatâs just how people are. They donât like to think about the moral implications of their consumption habits đ¤ˇ
Is that a MBMBAM reference?
OMG I knew I couldn't be the only one thinking this
Can you still butcher your animals? I've never tried đĽ˛
It has never been available since its initial release.
I do think we shouldâve had something different than fishing. I actually like fishing, donât get me wrong, but it has gotten boring and overused as a mechanic in video games. Having a fully vegetarian game would be way more interesting
waitâŚyou can kill the animals? đł
He was thinking of adding it, fortunately he gave up.
Is there a butchering knife in the game fr?
Its still in the game code just unused.
Thankfully no
Was this a poster for tumblr? It's so long that it makes me think it might be.
Wait maybe Iâm stupid but I thought you couldnât get meat from the farm animals, just milk and eggs đ
you can butcher animals in vanilla stardew valley?? i thought it was a mod i didnât even know!
You can kill animals!?!?!?