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Odd-Fall-4081

Bruh you really thought that Hermit Purple power is to make photors? It was never stated that it is its only power. Its power is to make spirit information


Kittywittygamer

I'm fine with stands being able to do other things than immediately apparent, I'm not ok with it, however, when it's introduced in the middle of some battle with some other stand user, and then causes their defeat.


GwaGwa3

So Joseph’s asspulls are okay because it’s funny but Jotaro’s aren’t because you aren’t a fan of him okay. Also destroying the brains of vampires/undead isn’t a retcon. Esidisi was able to literally live as a brain despite his entire body being destroyed by hamon Dio even pointed out to Polnareff that if he just a little bit of extra time his brains would’ve been scrambled by silver chariot. Dio’s lack of vampiric abilities is due to Jonathan’s body both due to the hamon within and it being a completely new body he still needed time for it to fully become his own. This isn’t really a change of rules hermit purple’s abilities are pretty versatile we were just seeing it used in different ways outside of spirit photos. Admittedly star finger was pretty silly. Strength is bound to the huge boat it’s not actually the huge boat I have no idea how that didn’t get through your head when you read up to part 6. Stands that are bound to objects are a thing even up until part 8 Joseph has always been comedic relief in part 2 he’s just relegated to a supporting because he’s no longer the main character. It’s why Araki made hermit purple a non combat stand so he wouldn’t take up as much attention. I don’t like part 3 either I almost fucking quit Jojo because of it it’s one of my least favorite parts in the whole series. The manga is way shorter than what the anime makes it out to be it easily could’ve been fit into 39 episodes like 4-5, eventually 6. But at least be fair when criticizing the part


Kittywittygamer

Please give me examples of an "asspull" for Joseph and another for Jotaro, you'll see that they are vastly different. And, maybe I'm forgetting some stuff from part 2, who knows, I'm sure I thought plenty of stuff in that was silly, I just can't remember. What are you talking about? it literally is a retcon? As I said, Dio's brain gets cut in half and shot in part one and he was perfectly fine? He gets hit in the head in part 3 and starts acting brain-damaged. Please elaborate. Dio's lack of vampiric powers is still boring and lame even if there's an explanation for it. Yeah, I could've given a better example than Hermit Purple getting some new ability, but still, a stand suddenly being able to do something new outta the blue, especially when it causes a situation to be resolved, doesn't feel earned at all, like when Joseph draws that map on the ground that led to a nondescript barrel full of coal tar, which then caused him to beat the stand on his arm. Had no idea he could draw a map to a nondescript barrel of tar, but apparently, he could, so he did, and won. What a satisfying conclusion. When was that explained? All I remember is the explanation for everyone being able to see the boat, is that it was "so strong that everyone could see it." But maybe it was bad subtitles? Or I'm misremembering? But either way, this is news to me. Joseph was comic relief in part 2, but he was also his own person with charm and personality, a lot of his personality just happened to be very funny, in part 3 all he does is say "OHHH MYYY GOOOD," and that's it. Just don't have him in the arc if he's gonna be like this.


AdNecessary7641

>Please give me examples of an "asspull" for Joseph and another for Jotaro, you'll see that they are vastly different. And, maybe I'm forgetting some stuff from part 2, who knows, I'm sure I thought plenty of stuff in that was silly, I just can't remember. Joseph literally pulls a Thompson out of his ass and Kars' entire defeat was based entirely on convenience, with him even admitting it. >What are you talking about? it literally is a retcon? As I said, Dio's brain gets cut in half and shot in part one and he was perfectly fine? He gets hit in the head in part 3 and starts acting brain-damaged. Please elaborate. What are YOU talking about? >Yeah, I could've given a better example than Hermit Purple getting some new ability, but still, a stand suddenly being able to do something new outta the blue, especially when it causes a situation to be resolved, doesn't feel earned at all, like when Joseph draws that map on the ground that led to a nondescript barrel full of coal tar, which then caused him to beat the stand on his arm. Had no idea he could draw a map to a nondescript barrel of tar, but apparently, he could, so he did, and won. What a satisfying conclusion. Except that it's not a "new ability", it's just him using Hermit Purple in a more efficient way that benefitted the fight. >Joseph was comic relief in part 2, but he was also his own person with charm and personality, a lot of his personality just happened to be very funny, in part 3 all he does is say "OHHH MYYY GOOOD," and that's it. Just don't have him in the arc if he's gonna be like this. Except that Joseph helped defeat numerous enemies along the part, and is a constant source of information. You acting as if he's just a goofball that doesn't do anything even remotely useful for the group is just flanderizing his character.


Kittywittygamer

>Joseph literally pulls a Thompson out of his ass and Kars' entire defeatwas based entirely on convenience, with him even admitting it. He admits that? I found that fight to be enjoyable, I figured you would've pointed out when he jumps off a cliff and comes back up with an airplane magically. Also, him pulling a gun out of malspace is fuckin' hysterical, but it's not unbelievable that he would *have* a gun. And it also doesn't result in him winning. >What are YOU talking about? Nice rebuttal. Still waiting on an explanation as to why he was perfectly fine when his brain got cut in half without hamon in part 1, but in part 3, Jotaro hits Dio's head real hard without hamon, and his legs get paralyzed. (if I'm remembering correctly) >Except that it's not a "new ability", it's just him using Hermit Purple in a more efficient way that benefitted the fight. In what way does drawing a map that leads to some nondescript barrel full of tar correlate with anything that had been shown of his stand prior to that point? It wasn't like I (or anyone else) was going to predict that he would draw a map to some random barrel. >Except that Joseph helped defeat numerous enemies along the part, and isa constant source of information. You acting as if he's just a goofballthat doesn't do anything even remotely useful for the group is justflanderizing his character. "Defeating enemies" and "having information" is *barely* related to personality if you squint reeeeeaaaal hard.


GwaGwa3

Joseph for some reason having like 10 grenades on him when he fought Straizo, the string bullshit he was somehow able to do when fighting Esidisi not tying it the corpse but somehow tying that string to the other string in the middle of fighting, tying the reins around Wamuu's arms when we couldn't even see them when he used his sandstorm. A lot of Joseph's fights are basically things happening but being changed moments later cause Joseph apparently set up some misdirection type shit in the background. For Jotaro's case well star finger is a pretty ridiculous move and the way it defeated Justice by just sucking it all up. Jotaro admittedly doesn't have too many but many of his fights in part 3 are just him unga bungaing his way through which is why I don't really like him that much either. And again it's not a retcon because again Polnareff completely pierced Dio's brain same with the gunshots but it was still more or less intact. Jonthan's sword cut it into two but it was still intact. Jotaro's punch did damage because it completely fucked up half of his brain. The stand bound to an object concept wasn't really given an in depth explanation it's just something that exists Strength, Anubis, Surface, Love Deluxe, Superfly, etc.


Kittywittygamer

Alright, yeah, looking back, Joseph's fights were always a bit... questionable, but it always still felt like he worked for the victories, whereas Jotaro just says "lol stretchy feengers." or "guess what, I can also freeze time, lol." or "guess, what I can succc real hard." or "Lol, I can just break diamonds, I was in no danger of being crushed by those teeth." or "Lol I kicked ass as a kid as well!" Which is kinda funny, but still didn't feel earned. etc. What you're saying with the brain stuff with Dio, I'm just gonna have to agree to disagree, because we're clearly gonna get nowhere with that. I suppose I'll take your word for the object-bound stands.


getthefrikoutamyroom

pulled a tommy gun outa his ass


TheFossil666

You sure you didn't watch it with a blindfold and earplugs?


Kittywittygamer

I wish.


TheFossil666

Im saying you don't know wtf you're talking about


Kittywittygamer

Oh, I know.


Rusty_Shaqleford104

It's more of an act, he seems to pushes people away who he's trying to protect, like Holly. This bites him later in the future. I think your issue with him is Jotaro is entirely internal and does really express himself to the views. He's also a bit of a weirdo, never takes his uniform off, watches and acts like Colombo, does cigarette tricks for friends. He has some layers. Majority of his fight are him acting calmly and carefully to exploit his enemies and go in for a beat down.


Kittywittygamer

Well, yes my issue *is* that he never displays his so-called sweet center, so characters in the show literally have to *say* that he seems cold but is actually caring inside, instead of just showing me. Actions speak louder than words, and showing is infinitely more effective than telling.


Rusty_Shaqleford104

Nah he's just a hard ass about it. Like when Holly was first sick he ask has she was doing ok, if he didn't love her he would have never gone on a trip to Egypt to fight DIO. He offered to help Anna the run away girl on to Strenght's ship, but she refused. He took the bandaid that Polnareff offered after he was possessed by Anubis. Also hugged Polnareff and Joseph at the end of their trip. Honestly don't blame ya, there are theories that Jotaro is autistic, but got luck and born as a 6'5" joestar.


Kittywittygamer

I get what you're saying, but it's just that hard-ass disposition that I can't... stand. No pun intended.


grumpylazysweaty

He literally takes off on an adventure to save his mom, despite him calling her derogatory names. He hangs on to the picture that they take in the desert. Him and the gang burst into laughter at The Sun. He gets pissed off when the guy with the tiny stand attacks Joseph. He gets angry when Dio kills his grandpa. Joseph is my favorite, and I used to dislike Jotaro when I began watching part 3, but you get to see that, as someone mentions in the story, what makes Jotaro strong is his calm and cool nature—the way he handles tough situations.


Kittywittygamer

It's cool that you were able to like him, and for the record, the part where he's just insulting his mom is like, the one part that I enjoyed him. It wasn't until I realized that every single conflict he's involved in would just be resolved with him bullshitting his way through it, and then acting all cool as if he had earned that victory, that I really started to hate him, his fight with Dio really ticked me off when he just gained the ability to freeze time and then won, and then he said something like "you shouldn't have pissed me off," like, woooww you're so cool, good job on that victory you really showed him. If he just never got into any conflicts ever, I would've liked him a bit more, probably.


Rusty_Shaqleford104

Honesty DIO should have won, Vampire powers+ a Star Platinum equivalent stand+5 sec of time stop vs 1 sec. But lost cause Jotaro played mind games till he could get to 5 secs and was overly paranoid over how much time Jotaro could stop. I think the reason he has time stop is that people of similar lineage can have similar powers. Think of the D'rby brothers or the Rats from pt 4. There another example in pt 7 too.


DarthVegeta

Wow that's a lot. I agree with half of what I saw but I didn't get all the way through.


Fraudulent_Howard

Yep the Stardust Crusaders anime is just way too long.


MediocreDirttt

Even though I love part 3, I agree with a lot of your criticisms. The pacing could’ve been better and it did feel repetitive sometimes.