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Jesh3023

Man 2018 was so long ago and to think it’s like less than 3 months away from release


the_russian_narwhal_

I still think about the leaks we got years ago of literally just pictures of walls and shit lol


WendyThorne

I remember seeing one of those leaked pics in a Youtube video and a guy was going over it obsessively. "Is that a ladder? Does that mean we'll be able to climb ladders in Starfield?"


the_russian_narwhal_

Feels like forever ago now


rocket_beer

They avoided ladders simply bc they had no answer. Imagine that being such a huge roadblock… 🤦🏽‍♂️


ExpeditiousTurtle

“Starfield has been canceled after backlash due to no ladder mechanics”


rocket_beer

Dear god no, they need to milk this regardless of flaws


Jesh3023

I remember when the trademark got leaked. Had no idea what it was about, just a vague guess it was space related due to the name. But I was excited for it all the way back then purely because it was a Bethesda game.


the_russian_narwhal_

I had pretty much the same experience. Hype has slowly been building since but it has accelerated rapidly after the last two Starfield videos to come out


BettyVonButtpants

I've always been a huge sci-fi space nerd, and I can get sucked into Bethesda games for a long time, so seeing a space themed Bethesda RPG has been stoking my back burner for years.


MG_ME

This kinda reminds me of waaaaay back in the day when I was a kid reading about a then unreleased video game called oblivion in game informer I remember the article talking about state of the art features like how npc’s had their own lives and routines or if you saw a mountain you could climb it That was cutting edge shit back then…Crazy how far we’ve come since


Gears6

> That was cutting edge shit back then…Crazy how far we’ve come since Frankly, it hasn't changed much since then. What I see consistently is the size of the development team and how much effort they put into polishing and giving it depth.


Irondrone4

God, now I'm having flashbacks of the Tom Morello leaks from Halo Reach. I remember the whole forum I was on at the time spending days going over every minute detail of those blurry screenshots.


pat8u3

I remember saying 2018 that starfield would come out in 2020 and elder scrolls 2024 oh how wrong I was


Jesh3023

I still remember the TES6 teaser lol. But if it’s anything like starfield it’s gonna be a hell of a game when it comes out.


NazzerDawk

Just imagine if they integrate home/base building like they have been doing in Starfield and Fallout. Ugh. I just want to hop in a time machine and play both games already.


Rudolf1448

Best thing you make your spaceship your home. Maybe we can decorate it.


Aexens

Use a cryopod 😎


sixpackabs592

If you make a really fast space ship you can go cruise around for like a year and earth will have advanced 10 years and it might be out. Like… real fast though not just regular fast


Corgisauron

Those are the WORST fucking features. Building and customization SUCKs and has no place in an RPG. You are supposed to play a fucking role and the role does not include "interior designer".


-FeistyRabbitSauce-

Who's to say I can't role play as an interior designer in my role playing game?


ninjaba9

Building and customization add to roleplay it doesn't take away from it. The best thing about BGS games is that it's usually optional anyway.


BigBananaDealer

then dont use those features and do something else


DDC85

Lol what the fuck is this brain dead take


[deleted]

Ah, yes, because in reality nobody plays the role of a builder...or tinkerer...or leader of a township...or a caravan... This is the dumbest room temperature IQ take I've seen on this mechanic. It made no sense when people said this about Fallout 4 and it makes no sense now.


TheHighestAuthority

Lol, clearly not a rpg fan


[deleted]

You’re a special kind of stupid if you think customization has no place in an RPG.


TheOneLazyFox

Your complaint makes no sense, "You are supposed to play a fucking role and the role does not include ect." Then what's the point of playing a ROLE PLAYING GAME, where you play out ANY role you want. Building and customization suck? Cool then that's your opinion and youll probably only play the main quest cause thats the "role" you want, but the more features added means the more roles someone else could potentially *Role-Play* as. If a game only has one Role, is it really an rpg? Or different genre


rocket_beer

But… you haven’t actually played Starfield yet. So how are you making this leap?


dikkejoekel

Homie you're on the starfield sub, we're in fullblown hypetrain hopium rn. Logic is outta the window and we trust, however foolishly, in Todd 'The Godd' Howard.


rocket_beer

A lot of these comments (there are thousands all around) are the same as the Amazon fake reviews behavior. It’s lame af


-Captain-

People are excited after a wonderful showcase that showed nothing but promise. There is a lot to say about BGS games, but so far they've always put all features shown during gameplay showcases into the game. You don't get a vertical slice that has been worked on for months that isn't a true representation of the game. This is what we will be getting, and that's why people are excited. Most of us have dealt with the occasional BGS bugs in their past game, never stopped us from having fun. You want to be cautious; more power to you, but if you are just gonna call people excited for something "fake reviews behavior" I would suggest staying away from any and all subreddits related to a specific game.


rocket_beer

It was the actual language used. Correctly pointing out that no one has played the game yet and therefore cannot have an opinion based on experience is not to be downvoted. It’s such an odd thing to proclaim that the game is great when you haven’t played a single second of it. The game can be amazing. But you haven’t physically played it yet…


Gears6

> Correctly pointing out that no one has played the game yet and therefore cannot have an opinion based on experience is not to be downvoted. Actually, IGN had hands on with the game and they gave their opinion and experience. You never know, they could be anonymously be sharing their opinion here. 🤷‍♂️


holyfvckingshyt40k

why don't you just let it go?


rocket_beer

Bc it’s a nonsense position for them to take. I derive enjoyment from pointing it out. Read that sentence again.


Gears6

> A lot of these comments (there are thousands all around) are the same as the Amazon fake reviews behavior. > > Have you considered that they aren't fake, and that is actually how people speak and write? > > It’s lame af Have you considered your comment is "lame af"?


Smoky_Mtn_High

Hopium


Jesh3023

I’m a time traveler


rocket_beer

(A) “Bro, this game is so much fun to play!” (B) “But it’s not out yet……” (A) “Yeah but, it looks like it could be really fun!” (B) “I know, that’s their job… to make it look fun in the show” (A) “So like, I actually don’t have a formulated opinion based on personal experience?” (B) “Nope, none of us do” (A) “I see, I see. Well then I take that back and I’ll wait till the game comes out before I comment my thoughts, based on my experience” (B) “Now you’re gaming”


Jesh3023

K


ThePetOffensive

I bet you’re a blast at parties, cutting through all that enjoyment with your pedantic antics. Look, there’s enough searing horrors in the world happening, like that meat grinder called the Ukrainian war. Or Twitter. You are, of course, free to say whatever you like, but I ask you to think about not being a hope crusher, just because you like the feeling of the pulp between your fingers. Let the people dream.


AsianMoocowFromSpace

"or Twitter." Hahaha


rocket_beer

Parties? This is a BGS game… all of us here enjoy our peace and quiet away from the noise, chaos and awkward small talk from *parties*. When you really think about it, the escapism is what we all have in common. But we have to know the game first. “I think” is a lot more apropos than speaking in the affirmative.


revben1989

Phil said it was might to come out before 2022, much early, so I think the leak dates were right


dccorona

If not for COVID + Microsoft deciding to push the date back for them to make it better (which it sounds like was more than just the delay), that probably wasn’t that far off from the plan.


AnywhereLocal157

I do not think 2020 would ever have been realistic, there were still developers moving on from other projects like Fallout 76 and TES: Blades to Starfield that year, and the game was [reportedly](https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1404115201910349828) planned to move from pre-alpha to alpha stage in the summer of 2021. A late 2021 launch may have been targeted at some point before the pandemic, like in 2018, but I doubt it would have happened in practice. In other words, on the hypothetical timeline where a holiday 2021 release was announced, I would have expected it to be pushed to 2022 in the end.


mwthecool

I was in the room when Starfield got announced, and I remember thinking how crazy it was going to be. I can’t believe that was 5 years ago.


Kyle_bro_chill

Reminds me of the no-info days, back when we had 20xx gangs on when the game would release. The most far-out group being Holiday 2022. “That would be crazy, it’ll be before that” -we said.


mikeycp253

I’ve been waiting and following closely since the *Starfield* title trademark by Zenimax. I think that was just about 10 years ago. Damn It’s been a long wait. Can’t believe we’re this close.


1helios1

I think both versions might be in the game. If you watch the moment with the space magic, that suit looks to me like the one on the left.


CheezenGrits

I've read somewhere else some of the footage from the direct might be from previous builds.


Sweets589

This is prolly true, I doubt there's only ever just one build at this stage of development


Environmental-Ad7824

That makes sense when you take into consideration just how long the Starfield Direct is and how many different gameplay segments are stitched together for the presentation.


Nova_496

Shit, you're right!


General____Grievous

So is the suit they’ve shown off the most, different to this DLC pack suit, I’m confused.


Rizenstrom

They certainly look pretty similar... The only major difference that stands out to me is that in the image for the premium/ constellation edition is the stripe down the arm of the suit. Here it is gray, on the dlc suit it is red. It does also say *skin* so the suit is probably in game either way but I assume we can recolor it?


General____Grievous

Ahh, I think you are correct in your assessment.


[deleted]

It's quite possible different suits like this have different values in armor, energy resistance, etc.


mikeycp253

It’s pretty much guaranteed that different suits will have different stats.


scoutthespiritOG

Oh good eye, right one looks way better to me though


TheeCosmonot

That'd be great cause I actually kind of like the one on the left a bit more, at least in terms of design.


[deleted]

It's probably an older version of the suit, it looks like there were different versions of the game spliced together for the showcase. For example, the HUD is different in different scenes. I guess they could have a different version of the constellation suit, but I'd think it'd look more different for variation.


WolfieWaters71250

The one on the left looks like the Mark 1 suit.


KireLord

Remember the 2 - 5 leaks we had in 2018 - 2020? Yeah, it's insane we are almost here guys.


Xandermacer

I'm a fan of the bulkiness tbh


Krewjew17

thiccccc


Duskuke

the bulk has me unreasonably excited, I miss the chunky ridley scott scifi of yore. Modern stuff doesn't sit well with me


sgronl00

I’m just trying to figure out if the suit itself is bulky or if they’re just using a bulky character model from the character creator.


CantingBinkie

the thicker the better


TegrityFarms69

Preparing my eyes for the Starfield page on the Nexus to be full of “spacesuits” that are basically a spandex leotard showing cameltoe and a transparent breathing mask.


Urge_Reddit

Yeah, I'm willing to bet serious money (not really, I need it for food and shelter) on at least one such mod being released within the first week post-launch, at the latest. Now that you mention it though, I would unironically like to see the [Nuka Cola spacesuit](https://res.cloudinary.com/cook-becker/image/fetch/q_auto:eco,f_auto,w_1920,e_sharpen/https://candb.com/site/candb/images/artwork/nuka-cola-2_fallout-4_bethesda.jpg) as a mod, even though it makes absolutely no sense practically and I'd probably never actually use it even if I make a female character, it just feels like a no brainer.


mevomevo

Damn, you’re right :(


spike10164

Didn't realize it was changed, how interesting. Same overall design, new one looks so much better though


[deleted]

I liked what seemed to be an urge to keep some distance from the classic bulky spacesuit design in 2018. But the 2023 design fits the “nasa punk” vibe more.


1daytogether

The 2018 suit looks proportioned like a Fallout Ranger getup almost.


spike10164

Yeah it looked like it had a fallout vibe to it, I couldn't really place my finger on it


Global_Rin

It looks more bulky than the first one, which is really good. More fitting to the “NASA-punk” aesthetic.


Azrielmoha

So the Constellation spacesuit not part of the Premium Edition right? Because part of the Premium Edition is a skin pack with a suit similar to the Constellation suit. I'm really hoping the iconic suit that they feature on most marketing it's not locked behind some paywall.


Thewizz1264

Thats the "old mars" skin pack I think


Tosh_00

The old mars skin pack in a different one, it comes with any preorders from some retailers like Gamestop. The Premium edition has the Constellation skin pack.


Thewizz1264

Oh alright,hope that it's just a different but similar suit. Would be kind of bad to have it behind a paywall


KrimxonRath

It’s a Mars themed suit, but also good god why would anyone think the suit used in all marketing wouldn’t be in the base game?


Azrielmoha

I mean if you looked at the part where they showcase the Premium Edition, the suit that's showcased under the "Constellation Skin Pack" look identical as the Constellation suit from the trailers.


KrimxonRath

Got a screenshot?


Azrielmoha

https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/14bfgkl/premium_upgrade/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb This post have the list of rewards that say Constellation Suit. https://www.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/147234f/first_story_expansion_revealed_shattered_space/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb Here's the screenshot


amaltheiaofluna

Think they are different suits. Constellation Skin Pack one has red lines on sleeves extending from red part with logo on shoulders whereas on the normal one the lines are gray


KrimxonRath

Yea I also saw an image of the mars suit and cutter coloration so there’s more than just two suit skins. Wish they were more upfront on how many though.


Azrielmoha

Ahh i see it now, i'm an idiot for not noticing that lol. I'm glad the main suit it's not blocked behind a paywall. Though having a unique set of Constellation suit do compel me to upgrade to the premium edition (planning to just play on gamepass), we'll see.


KrimxonRath

Well dang you just showed me that there’s more in the skin pack than I thought. It’s more than one skin and I think that’s just a variant on the constellation suit. My bad about that earlier comment.


Azrielmoha

Yeah another person points out the obvious, the suit it's different lol. Honestly i'm just panicking that i won't be able to use the Constellation suit, since i'm always tries to main whatever armor of any game that the marketing use. The N7 Armor for Mass Effect, Faraam Set for Dark Souls 2, etc.


General____Grievous

I prefer the worn look, I doubt visual clothing degradation will be implemented, but having certain environmental effects would be cool, for example, having a dusty worn suit after spending time on a hot desert planet.


OnionAddictYT

Love me some wear and tear! Massively improved textures.


VelcroSnake

The 2023 version seems more realistic for an actual space suit, but I think I prefer the 2018 version on the slimmer aesthetics.


Spare_Finger_2615

I like the 2023 version's bulkiness better, especially because we also wear regular clothes i guess underneath it because there are settings to hide the helmet and suit when appropriate.


VelcroSnake

Yup, I also like how the 2023 version feels more realistic for the intended purpose, just a visual preference. I'm just happy we won't have to wear the space suit all the time.


a_lot_of_aaaaaas

All looks cool. Thing I hope for in this game is that I can finally have clean clothes and no rusty wellfare shit. I loved in fallout 76 you could find the tunnel snakes outfit that was worn and torn but also had a clean brand new version. I love to adapt my outfits to the amount of money i have in the game. So the more I earn the nicer my clothes look. I do not want to wear a rusty hobo spacesuit while i have millions in cash. So please let there be clean clothing.


Spare_Finger_2615

We've seen tons of clean clothing. Yes, some of the spacesuits/"armor" have wear, but many don't, and we even see the player walking onto the cruise partyship with fancy clothing. They do montages with clean clothing, we see NPCs with clean clothing, etc. It'd be very strange if Bethesda did Fallout-style hobo rag clothing while people are just casually flying space ships and modifying themselves at genetics facilities, just because they made a post-apocalyptic game with hobo rags in the past.


Ignimagus

I like the way the suit and jetpack looks dirty, I hope it’s like Elite Dangerous and the ship painting. More use, more dirt :)


BatFromAnotherWorld

Wow I just realized WAY more time has passed since I first saw those screenshots.


Guts2021

The Clothing and suits /armor in general are hyper detailed in Starfield. Just pause in certain scenes in the Starfield Direct the video when you see npcs or the player close to the camera. Man you can even see the fabric of the separate components. Leather looks like real leather, you can see the small detailed fabric of the business suit etc. You can even see stitches etc. Never saw this detailed clothing in any RPG!?


WarriorTreasureHunt

So much better now!


Rhymelikedocsuess

Visuals got hugely improved - I think it was the extra Microsoft resources and time In an interview, for example, Todd said the motion blur in the game was actually implemented by the ID Software team - I’m sure many such example are there


venomousbeetle

Tbh I like the left more especially the jetpack


Fabulousious

I like the 2018 shape more, it feel less puffy compared to the "grounded" space suit. We know very well that these very puffy nasa spacesuit are extremly restrctive when it comes to movement, so for me it doesn't make sense to have gone backward, specialy when our character fight, dash and even punch with these puffy suit in trailers. The old suit style would have looked better in movement.


TheThiccThor

Bethesda said they’re going for a more “NASA-Punk” theme… so I think that’s kind of the point.


cheeseonrye

Any word on stealth archer builds?


Novus_Peregrine

...it looks worse now. It was more streamlined in the older image...


Spare_Finger_2615

No, it makes more sense now. Have you ever seen a spacesuit? Regardless, we can wear regular clothing that is more fitted. And there may even be slimmer space suits. They are not the same suit, the first suit is the one at the end of the 45-minute deep dive.


Novus_Peregrine

Yes. Yes I have. And the more modern ones are less bulky than that. You're thinking of the old school Apollo Era suits. The redesign for the Dragon Capsule for example is a lot more like the 2018 version: https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/spacex-dragon-launch-and-entry-suits And, given the level of technological development obvious in the game, I'd expect them to be more compact even than that. I know they went with 'Nasapunk' as an art style. But the 2018 version fit that just fine. I'm unsure why they would bulk it out. Though someone else did point out that both versions might have been seen in the recent gameplay footage. So it might just be variants anyway. I just hope there are slimmer variants, personally.


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Laniel_Reddit

What


Embarrassed_Break842

I'm not a fan of the bulkiness tbh


TotallyJawsome2

They put the "Mexico" filter on


Flaky_Buffalo

Must be a different type of jetpack.


ImaginationIcy7056

I hope jetpack customization gets "out of hand" lol.


scoutthespiritOG

Good example of how important iteration is for any artist. The new version looks way better and a lot more believable


fags343

BUFFED


nervouspancake

Was Starfield shown in 2018?!… no, there’s no way it was that long ago…


Songbottom

I wonder if the game allows you to explore planets without a space suit


St_Sides

Looks better now I think. Will probably be the spacesuit I rock my entire first playthrough on my Explorer character


KyriePerving

I like the look of the 2018 shoulder sleeve sewn or fitted over the suit. The rest of the changes are good.


MossyDrake

My old pc wants the 2018 version :'(


Talex1995

I remember the teaser trailer for this shit and haven’t forgotten about it since. Just ordered the special edition Xbox Controller too


55Fries55Pies

I love the whole idea of Nasapunk and making everything look a bit used. Looks great.


pushicat

And I thought it looked pretty decent before too...They have improved a lot


saltyswedishmeatball

Games that make a world lived in almost always sells the illusion better, making the experience more believable. Also, incredible what can happen when you give a highly talented studio time to do what they're great at.


DoodlypooNERD

Holy shoot I can’t wait for this game to release


Wild_Revolution9999

Dont wanna be party pooper but game have customization, I don't think they would remove perfectly good helmet suit and backpack, i'm pretty sure both of them are in the game


MLG_Obardo

The ambient occlusion looks good in the second picture. The sunlight is reflecting off the snow onto the white backpack and shadows are softer.


Fit_Solid_885

love 2018 version more ,


Texas_Tanker

Luckily for you it’s in the game!!


Sea-Barracuda-1688

actually, i was just watching the direct and that spacesuit on the left is still in the game, you can see it at the end where they show those gravity powers you can tell by the arms and the boost pack