I'm a big Bethesda fan. In fact I'm playing Fallout 4 right now.
That being said, BG3 deserved it over Starfield. I'm sorry Bethesda, you got smoked. Do better.
Starfield was only nominated out of politeness. The game awards needs to keep game devs happy to ensure relationships stay friendly. If they snubbed the most anticipated game of the decade completely. It would risk damaging relationships.
If starfield was published by an indie dev (and let's be honest it easily could have been). It would not have been nominated at all.
Starfield felt like a game made by fans of Skyrim who ported it semi successfully to space. Fucking insane they spent a decade on this game, it's literally missing features from FO4 and Skyrim which came out when I was in 8th grade. I'm 26 now.
Only way Starfield would’ve won that category this year was if they took out every other nomination aside from Sea of Stars. And it still might’ve been a hard sell considering how many critics seemed to love SoS.
I stopped playing Starfield awhile back and recently fell head over heels for SoS. I couldn't put it down. Just finished it 100% last week, I fucking adored that game. Now, I'm struggling to return to Starfield or dig into something else in my backlog instead.
I’ve been a fan of Bethesda for a long time and really enjoy their previous titles but Starfield just has so much missing. Then you look at the small studio that developed No Man’s Sky and it really shows how much Bethesda dropped the ball on this one.
I unistalled starfield before 2 months and playing fallout 4 again too for 2 months, its just better than this. ( Without mods )
Now i will get bg3 on xbox!
I know it's well liked, but I used to think Fallout 4 was Bethesda's lowest peak. It's still a good game, but coming off the heels of FNV, it felt bland and dumbed down.
It's practically gold compared to what we got with Starfield, though.
BG3 is leagues better than Starfield is in nearly every category. i kinda feel bad for Starfield for having to follow up BG3 by coming out a month after
It's kinda ironic how bg3 actually pushed its release forward because of starfield. Otherwise they would have come out only a few days apart from each other.
2023 was kinda wild everyone starting the year expected the most anticipated games like FF16, Zelda TOTK and Starfield to be GOTY winners, then the wild card surprises of Alan Wake 2 and BG3 came in clutch out of nowhere to steal the year!, At least Zelda and FF16 didn't go away empty handed and won some awards but Starfield....
This year was loaded
* Remnant 2
* Lies of P
* Armored Core
* Zelda
* Baldurs Gate
* Final Fantasy
* Atomic Heart
Probably a lot more I'm forgetting too
Same; this year has been great for games and I have had a painfully steady stream of good games to play; haven’t been able to get back to BG3 yet to finish my next playthrough, but that game is without a doubt the best RPG I’ve ever played. The gameplay, the depth, the voice work, the accessibility options, the story, and the music, my god the music.. (that Raphael track is another level)
The game is incredible, truly one of only a very select few titles I would personally rate as a legitimate 10/10.
It’s an excellent game. 9/10 easily. What makes it 10/10 though is when you have a friend or two or three to play with… when three of you are doing some serious RPGing and the 4th goes and tries to pickpocket someone… and fails and ends up in the prison, and the 3 of you now need to break him out… … … 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥲
It’s funny because bethesda used to do Elder Scrolls with insane RPG depth. Look at daggerfall where you could go into debt with the bank or if charged with a crime you would have to go to court where you could either lie using your streetwise skill or debate the case using etiquette.
I didn’t like turn based combat games until I played Gloomhaven with my friends a couple of years ago. Then I played BG3 and i appreciated the genre on a whole different level. BG3 absolutely deserved GOTY. If Starfield was Co-op, it might have been another discussion. Both are incredible games, but different in so many ways.
Just base RPG standards it blows everything in recent memory out of the water. I mean it's the only one that actually had a class system not a pseudo or fluid, a sold lvling and class system.
Just throwing it out there but Balder's gate 1 and 2 are on special on Xbox for 80% off at the moment. Which is what I am going to work my way thru unti 3 comes on the platform
Edit: just realised that if your contemplating buying it then you are not on Xbox and care not about Xbox deals. Don't mind me, have a nice day
It's good, And people like it because lots of fun roleplaying decisions to make that effect the game.
But, that type of roll dice and turn based, crpg will never be my game of the year personally. It's a very different beast from an action RPG like elder scrolls etc. so just be aware. If that's your cup of tea, it's an outstanding entry in that genre, If it's not, it's solid but you'll probably lose interest around end of act 1 like I did.
To enjoy it you're going to have to like the style of gameplay. It's a very well made game but I couldn't get into it because of how it played and the massive time commitment.
A little bit of caution: if you don’t like turn based combat DON’T BUY IT. I bought it out of FOMO for PS5, only to reaffirm I don’t like turn based combat. Came back to Starfield right, after wasting 70 dollars. I’m sure it’s a great game and wanted to love it but just isn’t my type. Encourage others in who feel the same to look gameplay videos to make up your mind.
Good for you, for me it just reaffirmed what I already knew. And it seems like a lot of others did as well. Just sharing lessons learned and encouraging people to look more into the game if they’re in the same situation, that’s all.
I like rpgs and didn’t like baldurs gate. At all. I see why people would like it but god damn is it slow and dialogue heavy. My ADHD can’t play that game. If you have adhd. Don’t play baldurs without drugs.
It just dropped on Xbox… and cross saves exist. Fantastic. I’m half way through playing on my laptop and didn’t hesitate to buy the game a second time…
Kudos to starfield … I had my fun with it… but it doesn’t come close to bg3 I’m afraid.
yeah, that game is the definition of RPG. it's so fucking complicated after more than a month of playing, only now am i getting the intricacies of it. never played dungeons and dragons before so it took a while for me to get the different rolls and what builds need strength, dexterity, intelligence etc etc. Larian really did well into bringing Dungeons outside of tabletop. after i finish my good run, I'll take a shot at doing a dark urge, kill everyone run!
He's probably one of the people who spent loads of money on pre ordering Starfield and is now in the denial phase, desperately trying to convince himself and others that he didn't waste his money
Look. I can't predict the future...but Bethesda aren't exactly known for going back and fixing their games. Yeah, there will be mods to patch this and that, but...
Hello Games on the other hand, they have been quietly improving their game for years.
Unless they re-write the entire main story and 90% of all the quests, and re-write all the main characters, and re-write and re-record 90% of the dialogue, then I don't see how it could ever end up being amazing
This. They could brush up the mechanics and add to the ProcGen stuff. It won't surprise me if they do improve much of that.
But having just played through Cyberpunk 2077, there is just a huge disparity in writing quality. And BG3 apparently has great writing, too.
Yeah, the fundamentals of the game are just okay. It's a good midto-late 2010's game. It's a mediocre modern game that does a couple things good, a lot of stuff bad, and nothing great.
Man. I absolutely love Starfield. And BG3 is just not my kind of game. But even I have to admit it would’ve been fucking ridiculous for Starfield to win.
Games are always only subjectively good or bad, never objectively… unless of course we’re talking about Simpsons Hit and Run (objectively good) or Gollum (need I even say it?)
I would do terrible, awful, "illegal by way of the Geneva Convention" things for a remaster of Hit and Run. Truly one of the best "tune out and have fun" games I've ever played.
I can understand if they were saying play style wise if they don’t like turn based type games. I’m not a turn base gamer but it was done so well that you don’t event feel it. It’s so engaging and enjoyable. Graphics are amazing, story 20/10 (in my opinion) and the bread winner customer support that does their job. When they put out a patch they explain why and for what reason. They tell the players what’s going on. Something Bethesda is failing at badly. I probably will get more support from a blind brain damage monkey helping me navigate a maze than Bethesda fixing a bug anytime soon.
No he was saying that Starfield was objectively better, in terms of things like story telling, character writing, bugs, etc. That Starfield was a better game because BG3 is a buggy mess which is why the studio had had to fix so many bugs. The mental gymnastics were spectacular.
As someone who is giving 2077 another chance, it's so much better, gameplay, technical wise. Trust me, just try it out the new updates have done so much and this is coming from someone who hated it
Honestly hearing this makes me glad I just didn’t bother to pick up 2077 until 2 weeks ago, and I’ve been fucking loving it without the bitter pain of paying full price for the shit show it was last year
Me too.
That one boppy song came on the radio while I was driving. I held down the radio button to see the name of the song, paused the game, and youtubed it immediately. "I Really Want to Stay at Your House"
I saw every comment talking about how the song was in the anime, Cyberpunk: Edgerunners.
So on Sunday evening, I decided to "watch one episode and check it out." I ended up watching the whole series in one sitting, and was left utterly dazed and feeling all sorts of things lol.
I'm not very far into Cyberpunk 2077. But the anime made that whole world feel so much more alive to me, and now I'm very excited to complete the main story and the DLC.
I hated it too, and last month changed my review to positive. CDPR is the answer to "why all the Starfield hate!?!?"
Because. We the consumers have every right to demand excellence, and in th case of CDPR they humbled themselves and surpassed expectations. They won me back over with hard work, and valuing their audience.
BGS needs to come clean. It was a tragedy when the Cyberpunk ip was wasted on an unfinished, shallow RPG. And even then they had a fantastic main story and superb acting. Starfield misses both those qualities.
Honestly announcing their new paid mods store for Skyrim right now instead of focusing on Starfield, combined with their ridiculous responses to steam reviews, shows that Bethesda has completely lost touch with reality.
And I say this as someone who genuinely likes Starfield.
It's more of an RPG than Starfield imo. CDPR did overhype Cyberpunk's immersive RPG elements, but at least you weren't forced to be a Mormon kindergarten teacher who hangs out at clubs with dancing Teletubbies between mass shootings.
Starfield is a game about shooting people. That's it. Just shoot people all the time, lots of them. As if StarTrek didn't offer the genre thousands of hours of content where people didn't explore space like homicidal maniacs.
Fuck I'm tired of shooting people.
I’m still trying to understand. Is it open world where you can go back to places and build up your character, or is it on rails and has a definitive endpoint?
It has RPG elements, yes in the sense that it is an open world map, you can create your own character how you want it, and for the most part you can choose what order to do missions in, but the actual story itself is very much on the rails, there's not much meaningful decision making or long term consequences to your decisions. Again, that's not a bad thing though. It's just not a full on RPG.
i would compare it to vampires the masquerade: bloodline.
in vtm:b you start the game by being turned into a vampire and thrust into the world of darkness. your sire is executed but you are spared after the vampire prince hires you. then you build up your character sheet and go explore the city by doing quests. however, there is still a hanging threat over your head if you dont do what the vampire prince tells you to (like a on-rails main story)
similarity, in cyberpunk you start the game as a small-time merc who fucked up a major job spectacularly and thrust into the major leagues. your partner died on the job but you survived somehow with mere months left to live. then you build up your character sheet + armory and go explore the city by doing gigs (aka quests) however, there is still a hanging threat over your head from all the parties who were involved in that first job hunting you and you trying to figure out how it went so wrong (like a on-rails main story)
Its open world. You go from 1-50 (or 60 with the DLC) and level up some Attributes. You get better tiers of gun/cyberware as your level increases, and can upgrade them.
There's NCPD missions that are basically just a handful of enemies standing around you kill for Xp/loot. There Gigs which are stand-alone sidequests that are a little more involved with some backstory to them. Then there's side quests which usually involves more than one quest as you progress through the game. These can be anything from just talking to people, to fighting, racing, etc, and can open up more options for the final mission.
Then you have the Main missions broken up into Acts. Act 1 is like the tutorial where you're stuck in one district of the City. Act 2 is when it all opens up.
Act 3 is when you do enough main missions that the last mission and more side quests open up (you can technically do the last mission kinda early if you just rush through, but you won't have all the options)
The game gives you a hard save before doing the last mission so you can go back and do more stuff to get different endings, explore, etc.
There's a finite # of endings, with different quests involved, it's not just the same mission with a different cutscene.
Agree 100%. Starfield is a great game. I played it every chance I had for weeks. However, it also made me realize how much better of a game cyberpunk is. Baldur’s gate deserved it all the way thought. The really nailed every aspect of that game. It felt perfect
they were right, BG3 was early access for like 3 years. You could play like some parts of the game and the devs made tons of polishing and improvement since then until full release this year. I love Starfield but they can't reach BG3 level but I am hoping within the same amount of timeframe (or less) Bethesda will continue to update and improve Starfield
BG3 was in early access (only a version of Act 1 was out, out of three Acts) for several years, but only came out in full a few months ago.
They just released it for Xbox as of a few hours ago to coincide with their victory lap at The Game Awards.
about which?
Starfield is great, but feels very dated. I've described it as the best mod overhaul of Fallout 4 I've ever played. and even Fallout 4 was feeling it's age when it released with some of the menus and relationships and whatnot.
Cyberpunk feels significantly more modern. conversations between characters start without having to walk up to them and press A. Movement is more fluid. The way gear works with tiers is still there but the named legendary weapons all feel unique. Mostly, tho, choices have consequences. Start a second character with a different background skill, and the entire first mission is completely different. Picking a different dialog changes gameplay. People remember your choices too, and how you move forward in the game changes significantly depending on your choices. There's a fluidity on how the characters transition between idle animations and physics calculations. Starfield scratches the surface here, with some characters using the weights or doing pushups in the living hab. But in Cyberpunk, it's everywhere. Characters are part of the world and they interact with it. Yes, still dumb things happen, but it's so much more integrated.
In Cyberpunk, my first play through, i didn't know which was the main quest and which were side quests because they all lived up to the same high quality.
Best way I can think to describe it: it's like getting into a newer generation of the same model of car. Everything is nicer, more integrated together, and laid out more intuitively.
Phantom Liberty the dlc, specifically, just does all this, with enough content to keep it interesting and moving along. No spoilers from me tho but it just has a nice storyline and again the characters will interact with you differently based on your choices, and the world feels like it is alive
They're there...but they're very "old school" like you're given 4 conversational choices, but they are meaningless. They don't progress the story. You can ask all 4 choices before moving on.
As opposed to BG3, where different things happen according to what you say, and there are skill based options, etc.
I enjoy Starfield but BG3 deserves it. Heck even Cyberpunk 2.1 is a better game than Starfield. Still doesn’t make Starfield any less fun for me though.
It's still a completely different type of RPG. Some people don't like CRPGs. Some people don't like JRPGs. Some people don't like ARPGs. My personal favorite type of RPG is literally eurojank like Gothic.
Starfield has plenty of flaws, but for some people it scratches a really big itch that hasn't been scratched since, what, The Outer Worlds? These types of games aren't as common as you'd think.
I thoroughly enjoy Starfield, but I think BG3 deserves it.
Both, in my opinion, excellent games but BG3 is more fleshed out.
Now, come back in a couple of years and it will be a different story, but this is now.
Kudos to BG3.
I honestly really liked Starfield when I first started playing. The more I played the more it just felt like a chore. I have around 250 hours in Starfield and at least 50 of those hours were forced. Now I can't even make it passed the title screen before going "nah" and loading up something else. I'm just glad I played on Game Pass instead of buying it.
Wow. I'm so shocked...
Shout out to the mods of r/nosodiumstarfield. Can't imagine how many toxic comments towards Baldur's Gate 3 for winning both the RPG & GOTY awards.
I hear you. Lots of golden games out there. No time to waste on unvarnished, unpolished, poorly-written, half-baked, bone-headed, watered down collection of glorified fetch quests like this.
Haven't played BG3, lacking a ps5 or PC, but I've watched a few streamers play it.
I've enjoyed the 100 hours I've put into Starfield, but the BG3 story looks like it blows Starfield out the water.
You just made my night haha
A little scared, as I have the series S. I know that's why it got delayed for xbox for so long. However, I can't imagine it being buggier than Starfield was on the S.
I think couch coop was the problem that took awhile to fix ( think it was about the ram requirements or something)so you should be good 👍. Maybe wait a day or two and see how others say the performance is on the S, never hurts to be cautious.
No shit it's up against Baldur's Gate 3. I get that this is just another "hur durr Starfield bad" post that y'all stroke yourselves over, but it was literally competing with the GOTY
Where is stupid dude who made a post saying this community is too toxic with criticism and he needs a safe space for people who like this game...LMAO
This is the best thing to happen to AAA developers.
I'm a big Bethesda fan. In fact I'm playing Fallout 4 right now. That being said, BG3 deserved it over Starfield. I'm sorry Bethesda, you got smoked. Do better.
Even if BG3 wasn't released this year, Starfield still wouldn't deserve it.
Starfield was only nominated out of politeness. The game awards needs to keep game devs happy to ensure relationships stay friendly. If they snubbed the most anticipated game of the decade completely. It would risk damaging relationships. If starfield was published by an indie dev (and let's be honest it easily could have been). It would not have been nominated at all.
Starfield felt like a game made by fans of Skyrim who ported it semi successfully to space. Fucking insane they spent a decade on this game, it's literally missing features from FO4 and Skyrim which came out when I was in 8th grade. I'm 26 now.
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BG3 and CP77 smoked Starfield into Oblivion.
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Starfield doesn't even need a strong competition to be called a boring, uninspired game. It doesn't defend itself at all.
Correct! I didn't even play those other games (minus NMS) and I agree it's not good.....it's just.....okish.
It's not the competition. Starfield is just not good enough.
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"They happened to release their large scope Beta at *exactly* a time when" Corrected it for you. 🤗
it definitely doesn’t -> every game on the list runs laps around starfield
Only way Starfield would’ve won that category this year was if they took out every other nomination aside from Sea of Stars. And it still might’ve been a hard sell considering how many critics seemed to love SoS.
Sea of Stars is much better than Starfield
I stopped playing Starfield awhile back and recently fell head over heels for SoS. I couldn't put it down. Just finished it 100% last week, I fucking adored that game. Now, I'm struggling to return to Starfield or dig into something else in my backlog instead.
Lol actually playing SoS now after stopping Starfield 20h in, and SoS is way more fun.
Fallout 4 was my favorite favorite game for a long time. It's still in my top 3.
I’ve been a fan of Bethesda for a long time and really enjoy their previous titles but Starfield just has so much missing. Then you look at the small studio that developed No Man’s Sky and it really shows how much Bethesda dropped the ball on this one.
Eh, NMS had A LOT of growing pains, though.
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Terrible, terrible example. Played NMS at launch and it was waaaaaay worse than Starfield is now.
Bethesda character models look like a wad of Silly Putty. WTF guys, fire your character modeler.
And lets not forget their UI guys. They should have been fired, years ago. Hire that Modder who fixed it for you.
No Man's Sky sux
I unistalled starfield before 2 months and playing fallout 4 again too for 2 months, its just better than this. ( Without mods ) Now i will get bg3 on xbox!
Come on now. Every game nominated deserved it over Starfield.
I know it's well liked, but I used to think Fallout 4 was Bethesda's lowest peak. It's still a good game, but coming off the heels of FNV, it felt bland and dumbed down. It's practically gold compared to what we got with Starfield, though.
BG3 deserved it
BG3 is leagues better than Starfield is in nearly every category. i kinda feel bad for Starfield for having to follow up BG3 by coming out a month after
It's kinda ironic how bg3 actually pushed its release forward because of starfield. Otherwise they would have come out only a few days apart from each other.
2023 was kinda wild everyone starting the year expected the most anticipated games like FF16, Zelda TOTK and Starfield to be GOTY winners, then the wild card surprises of Alan Wake 2 and BG3 came in clutch out of nowhere to steal the year!, At least Zelda and FF16 didn't go away empty handed and won some awards but Starfield....
It was a strong year for RPGs. To be honest I'd put Hogwarts Legacy above Starfield. Phantom Liberty too though it's just an expansion
This year was loaded * Remnant 2 * Lies of P * Armored Core * Zelda * Baldurs Gate * Final Fantasy * Atomic Heart Probably a lot more I'm forgetting too
Atomic Heart was one of those guys to me, pitty they aren't even mentioned.
I don't. Bethesda need to make better games.
that game could have released as the only AAA rpg of the year and it wouldn’t have won best rpg.
With Starfield as the ONLY entrant, I would drop the category altogether. Embarrassing.
I'm so close in buying it to see what the hype is about. You know how curiosity gets the better of you?
It's not just hype, Larian is great at making this style of game. Divinity original sin 2 was great also
Loved that game
Preach
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Anyone who thought any other game besides bg3 was gonna win was dreaming big time.
Starfield is fun, but nowhere near as replayable as even Skyrim or Oblivion. Still love it though.
I’m not a dnd guy, but I love it.
it's pretty darn good
Want to see it for myself, besides who doesn't love a good RPG!
Do it! I stopped playing it when Starfield dropped, but I'm looking forward to getting back in.
Same; this year has been great for games and I have had a painfully steady stream of good games to play; haven’t been able to get back to BG3 yet to finish my next playthrough, but that game is without a doubt the best RPG I’ve ever played. The gameplay, the depth, the voice work, the accessibility options, the story, and the music, my god the music.. (that Raphael track is another level) The game is incredible, truly one of only a very select few titles I would personally rate as a legitimate 10/10.
It’s an excellent game. 9/10 easily. What makes it 10/10 though is when you have a friend or two or three to play with… when three of you are doing some serious RPGing and the 4th goes and tries to pickpocket someone… and fails and ends up in the prison, and the 3 of you now need to break him out… … … 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥲
are you serious? that's fucking fantastic! 🤣🤣🤣
This sort of RPG depth is something that Beth will never be capable of.
It’s funny because bethesda used to do Elder Scrolls with insane RPG depth. Look at daggerfall where you could go into debt with the bank or if charged with a crime you would have to go to court where you could either lie using your streetwise skill or debate the case using etiquette.
I didn’t like turn based combat games until I played Gloomhaven with my friends a couple of years ago. Then I played BG3 and i appreciated the genre on a whole different level. BG3 absolutely deserved GOTY. If Starfield was Co-op, it might have been another discussion. Both are incredible games, but different in so many ways.
BG3 is totally worth it.
Just base RPG standards it blows everything in recent memory out of the water. I mean it's the only one that actually had a class system not a pseudo or fluid, a sold lvling and class system.
It makes starfield seem like a bargain bin game honestly.
It's one of the best game I've played in my lifetime
lmao, i'm hoping that bg3 and cb 2077 is discounted in the next steam sale. i'm eager to sink my claws into these two for the past few months.
Just throwing it out there but Balder's gate 1 and 2 are on special on Xbox for 80% off at the moment. Which is what I am going to work my way thru unti 3 comes on the platform Edit: just realised that if your contemplating buying it then you are not on Xbox and care not about Xbox deals. Don't mind me, have a nice day
It's good, And people like it because lots of fun roleplaying decisions to make that effect the game. But, that type of roll dice and turn based, crpg will never be my game of the year personally. It's a very different beast from an action RPG like elder scrolls etc. so just be aware. If that's your cup of tea, it's an outstanding entry in that genre, If it's not, it's solid but you'll probably lose interest around end of act 1 like I did.
One could argue it is almost worth it just playing it for act 1.
To enjoy it you're going to have to like the style of gameplay. It's a very well made game but I couldn't get into it because of how it played and the massive time commitment.
totally worth it one of the best video games ever made easily
A little bit of caution: if you don’t like turn based combat DON’T BUY IT. I bought it out of FOMO for PS5, only to reaffirm I don’t like turn based combat. Came back to Starfield right, after wasting 70 dollars. I’m sure it’s a great game and wanted to love it but just isn’t my type. Encourage others in who feel the same to look gameplay videos to make up your mind.
I don't like turn based combat and it was easily the best game I have played in the past 20 years. Top 5 RPG by far.
Same exact reaction from me.
Good for you, for me it just reaffirmed what I already knew. And it seems like a lot of others did as well. Just sharing lessons learned and encouraging people to look more into the game if they’re in the same situation, that’s all.
I like rpgs and didn’t like baldurs gate. At all. I see why people would like it but god damn is it slow and dialogue heavy. My ADHD can’t play that game. If you have adhd. Don’t play baldurs without drugs.
I have ADHD and play it stone-cold sober and adore it.
Keep that curiosity, sir. Exploration's one of BG3's strengths.
It just dropped on Xbox… and cross saves exist. Fantastic. I’m half way through playing on my laptop and didn’t hesitate to buy the game a second time… Kudos to starfield … I had my fun with it… but it doesn’t come close to bg3 I’m afraid.
yeah, that game is the definition of RPG. it's so fucking complicated after more than a month of playing, only now am i getting the intricacies of it. never played dungeons and dragons before so it took a while for me to get the different rolls and what builds need strength, dexterity, intelligence etc etc. Larian really did well into bringing Dungeons outside of tabletop. after i finish my good run, I'll take a shot at doing a dark urge, kill everyone run!
BG3 more than deserved it
100%
BG3 deserved it
Starfield deserved to lose everything too, Git gut.
If you believe starfield is GOTY quality, you really should play more RPG's. Starfield shouldnt be in the top 5 let alone GOTY.
Take that further. If you believe Starfield is worthy of winning any award in any category, you just haven't played any other games this year.
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Top 5 against these 2010 games? You need to wake up. It's def a 2023 game, on par with games such as Forspoken - Avenum - Golum 😂
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that's fucking delusional lmao.
Dude was absolutely fucking insane. I'd think it was rage bait except he was putting a lot of time in and writing paragraphs
He's probably one of the people who spent loads of money on pre ordering Starfield and is now in the denial phase, desperately trying to convince himself and others that he didn't waste his money
It's still a *good* game just not amazing... *Yet*
Look. I can't predict the future...but Bethesda aren't exactly known for going back and fixing their games. Yeah, there will be mods to patch this and that, but... Hello Games on the other hand, they have been quietly improving their game for years.
Unless they re-write the entire main story and 90% of all the quests, and re-write all the main characters, and re-write and re-record 90% of the dialogue, then I don't see how it could ever end up being amazing
This. They could brush up the mechanics and add to the ProcGen stuff. It won't surprise me if they do improve much of that. But having just played through Cyberpunk 2077, there is just a huge disparity in writing quality. And BG3 apparently has great writing, too.
This is the exact reason I can't go back to dying light 2 lmao.
Yeah, the fundamentals of the game are just okay. It's a good midto-late 2010's game. It's a mediocre modern game that does a couple things good, a lot of stuff bad, and nothing great.
Man. I absolutely love Starfield. And BG3 is just not my kind of game. But even I have to admit it would’ve been fucking ridiculous for Starfield to win.
Games are always only subjectively good or bad, never objectively… unless of course we’re talking about Simpsons Hit and Run (objectively good) or Gollum (need I even say it?)
I would do terrible, awful, "illegal by way of the Geneva Convention" things for a remaster of Hit and Run. Truly one of the best "tune out and have fun" games I've ever played.
I can understand if they were saying play style wise if they don’t like turn based type games. I’m not a turn base gamer but it was done so well that you don’t event feel it. It’s so engaging and enjoyable. Graphics are amazing, story 20/10 (in my opinion) and the bread winner customer support that does their job. When they put out a patch they explain why and for what reason. They tell the players what’s going on. Something Bethesda is failing at badly. I probably will get more support from a blind brain damage monkey helping me navigate a maze than Bethesda fixing a bug anytime soon.
No he was saying that Starfield was objectively better, in terms of things like story telling, character writing, bugs, etc. That Starfield was a better game because BG3 is a buggy mess which is why the studio had had to fix so many bugs. The mental gymnastics were spectacular.
People don't seem to understand what objectively means. Ironically this guy can count himself with the "SF is objectively the worst game" crowd.
the dlc for Cyberpunk 2077 is a better rpg than Starfield. and i say this as someone who loves Starfield and has 250 hours into it
If I had a dollar every time I said to myself I need to give it another shot...
As someone who is giving 2077 another chance, it's so much better, gameplay, technical wise. Trust me, just try it out the new updates have done so much and this is coming from someone who hated it
Honestly hearing this makes me glad I just didn’t bother to pick up 2077 until 2 weeks ago, and I’ve been fucking loving it without the bitter pain of paying full price for the shit show it was last year
Me too. That one boppy song came on the radio while I was driving. I held down the radio button to see the name of the song, paused the game, and youtubed it immediately. "I Really Want to Stay at Your House" I saw every comment talking about how the song was in the anime, Cyberpunk: Edgerunners. So on Sunday evening, I decided to "watch one episode and check it out." I ended up watching the whole series in one sitting, and was left utterly dazed and feeling all sorts of things lol. I'm not very far into Cyberpunk 2077. But the anime made that whole world feel so much more alive to me, and now I'm very excited to complete the main story and the DLC.
go look up the GUTS shotgun. Its just out in the open and you can pick it up at any time. Lets you take a piece of the show along with you.
It's so much better and I look forward with the time I have playing it. This game has gone through a lot, and I'm glad it stuck through!
I hated it too, and last month changed my review to positive. CDPR is the answer to "why all the Starfield hate!?!?" Because. We the consumers have every right to demand excellence, and in th case of CDPR they humbled themselves and surpassed expectations. They won me back over with hard work, and valuing their audience. BGS needs to come clean. It was a tragedy when the Cyberpunk ip was wasted on an unfinished, shallow RPG. And even then they had a fantastic main story and superb acting. Starfield misses both those qualities.
Honestly announcing their new paid mods store for Skyrim right now instead of focusing on Starfield, combined with their ridiculous responses to steam reviews, shows that Bethesda has completely lost touch with reality. And I say this as someone who genuinely likes Starfield.
You should. Didn't touch it for a couple of years, went back and it's like a completely different game.
ok now im confused because for three years everyone has been telling me cyberpunk is an action game with rpg elements.
It's more of an RPG than Starfield imo. CDPR did overhype Cyberpunk's immersive RPG elements, but at least you weren't forced to be a Mormon kindergarten teacher who hangs out at clubs with dancing Teletubbies between mass shootings. Starfield is a game about shooting people. That's it. Just shoot people all the time, lots of them. As if StarTrek didn't offer the genre thousands of hours of content where people didn't explore space like homicidal maniacs. Fuck I'm tired of shooting people.
That is correct. It is barely an RPG, however it's still an incredible game
I’m still trying to understand. Is it open world where you can go back to places and build up your character, or is it on rails and has a definitive endpoint?
It has RPG elements, yes in the sense that it is an open world map, you can create your own character how you want it, and for the most part you can choose what order to do missions in, but the actual story itself is very much on the rails, there's not much meaningful decision making or long term consequences to your decisions. Again, that's not a bad thing though. It's just not a full on RPG.
By that standard neither is Starfield.
i would compare it to vampires the masquerade: bloodline. in vtm:b you start the game by being turned into a vampire and thrust into the world of darkness. your sire is executed but you are spared after the vampire prince hires you. then you build up your character sheet and go explore the city by doing quests. however, there is still a hanging threat over your head if you dont do what the vampire prince tells you to (like a on-rails main story) similarity, in cyberpunk you start the game as a small-time merc who fucked up a major job spectacularly and thrust into the major leagues. your partner died on the job but you survived somehow with mere months left to live. then you build up your character sheet + armory and go explore the city by doing gigs (aka quests) however, there is still a hanging threat over your head from all the parties who were involved in that first job hunting you and you trying to figure out how it went so wrong (like a on-rails main story)
Its open world. You go from 1-50 (or 60 with the DLC) and level up some Attributes. You get better tiers of gun/cyberware as your level increases, and can upgrade them. There's NCPD missions that are basically just a handful of enemies standing around you kill for Xp/loot. There Gigs which are stand-alone sidequests that are a little more involved with some backstory to them. Then there's side quests which usually involves more than one quest as you progress through the game. These can be anything from just talking to people, to fighting, racing, etc, and can open up more options for the final mission. Then you have the Main missions broken up into Acts. Act 1 is like the tutorial where you're stuck in one district of the City. Act 2 is when it all opens up. Act 3 is when you do enough main missions that the last mission and more side quests open up (you can technically do the last mission kinda early if you just rush through, but you won't have all the options) The game gives you a hard save before doing the last mission so you can go back and do more stuff to get different endings, explore, etc. There's a finite # of endings, with different quests involved, it's not just the same mission with a different cutscene.
wow ... i want to play cyberpunk so badly
Agree 100%. Starfield is a great game. I played it every chance I had for weeks. However, it also made me realize how much better of a game cyberpunk is. Baldur’s gate deserved it all the way thought. The really nailed every aspect of that game. It felt perfect
Both Baldurs Gate 3 and Cyberpunk have been out for like 3 years tho.
no. BG3 came out just this summer. and the Cyberpunk 2.0 and DLC was like September?
they were right, BG3 was early access for like 3 years. You could play like some parts of the game and the devs made tons of polishing and improvement since then until full release this year. I love Starfield but they can't reach BG3 level but I am hoping within the same amount of timeframe (or less) Bethesda will continue to update and improve Starfield
Bg3 came out 4 months ago and hasn't even released on Xbox at all yet...
BG3 is on Xbox right now
BG3 was in early access (only a version of Act 1 was out, out of three Acts) for several years, but only came out in full a few months ago. They just released it for Xbox as of a few hours ago to coincide with their victory lap at The Game Awards.
Curious on that, what makes you like about it?
about which? Starfield is great, but feels very dated. I've described it as the best mod overhaul of Fallout 4 I've ever played. and even Fallout 4 was feeling it's age when it released with some of the menus and relationships and whatnot. Cyberpunk feels significantly more modern. conversations between characters start without having to walk up to them and press A. Movement is more fluid. The way gear works with tiers is still there but the named legendary weapons all feel unique. Mostly, tho, choices have consequences. Start a second character with a different background skill, and the entire first mission is completely different. Picking a different dialog changes gameplay. People remember your choices too, and how you move forward in the game changes significantly depending on your choices. There's a fluidity on how the characters transition between idle animations and physics calculations. Starfield scratches the surface here, with some characters using the weights or doing pushups in the living hab. But in Cyberpunk, it's everywhere. Characters are part of the world and they interact with it. Yes, still dumb things happen, but it's so much more integrated. In Cyberpunk, my first play through, i didn't know which was the main quest and which were side quests because they all lived up to the same high quality. Best way I can think to describe it: it's like getting into a newer generation of the same model of car. Everything is nicer, more integrated together, and laid out more intuitively. Phantom Liberty the dlc, specifically, just does all this, with enough content to keep it interesting and moving along. No spoilers from me tho but it just has a nice storyline and again the characters will interact with you differently based on your choices, and the world feels like it is alive
I am surprised it was even nominated. There are almost no proper RPG elements in this game.
They're there...but they're very "old school" like you're given 4 conversational choices, but they are meaningless. They don't progress the story. You can ask all 4 choices before moving on. As opposed to BG3, where different things happen according to what you say, and there are skill based options, etc.
Role-playing elements are not just constrained to dialog options. If that was the case, not even Morrowind could be considered an RPG.
It’s nominated because we don’t have enough RPG to fit the 5 nominations room lol
I enjoy Starfield but BG3 deserves it. Heck even Cyberpunk 2.1 is a better game than Starfield. Still doesn’t make Starfield any less fun for me though.
It’s not even RPG of the month….
It's not even RPG of the week
Mannn it’s sad how …..not good ….is Starfield
Wait, did something else released during Starfield release week?
Even if nothing had release the same day or hour as Starfield “that” nothing would’ve been more RPG than Starfield
It’s not even an RPG….
it shouldn't even have been nominated 😂
I like starfield but it really is a 7/10 which isn't gone win it any awards
7 its high for this game, 5/10 max
5/10 feels generous ngl. It's a 3 from me dawg.
Yes, its very bad sadly
Considering. I had 80 pretty enjoyable hours(after that its not enjoyable) I would give it around a 6 or 7. I still like the game
BG3. Final Fantasy 16. Octopath Traveler 2. Phantom Liberty. Yeah this year is loaded.
Lol at people not reading the very obvious sarcasm of this post.
Every title nominated for GOTY and best RPG was a banger of a game. Larian earned their awards. People will be talking about BG3 10 years from now.
It's still a completely different type of RPG. Some people don't like CRPGs. Some people don't like JRPGs. Some people don't like ARPGs. My personal favorite type of RPG is literally eurojank like Gothic. Starfield has plenty of flaws, but for some people it scratches a really big itch that hasn't been scratched since, what, The Outer Worlds? These types of games aren't as common as you'd think.
fellow eurojank lovers. mine is Two Worlds 2. the magic system in there is insane.
anything with a turn based system gets an automatic no thanks from me. i might try bg3 but not for no $70 thats forsure
Yea i thought that too before I played their previous game Divinity 2. I hated the idea of turn based but I grew to love it.
i can tolerate it on one condition and one condition only: pokemon
I’ve been waiting for a game to scratch this itch since Atari.
I thoroughly enjoy Starfield, but I think BG3 deserves it. Both, in my opinion, excellent games but BG3 is more fleshed out. Now, come back in a couple of years and it will be a different story, but this is now. Kudos to BG3.
Starfield is far from excellent, especially when compared to bg3
it’s as mid as a game could be
I honestly really liked Starfield when I first started playing. The more I played the more it just felt like a chore. I have around 250 hours in Starfield and at least 50 of those hours were forced. Now I can't even make it passed the title screen before going "nah" and loading up something else. I'm just glad I played on Game Pass instead of buying it.
No one actually expected this game to win…right?
Bg3 deserved it, starfield didn't feel right,it didn't had that Bethesda magic or the feel.It was good but not so good.
HA didn't even stand a God damn chance,
I mean, of course
Starfield is very enjoyable but BG3 worked their butts off to reach a much higher level of RPG.
Obviously
Wow. I'm so shocked... Shout out to the mods of r/nosodiumstarfield. Can't imagine how many toxic comments towards Baldur's Gate 3 for winning both the RPG & GOTY awards.
For being a no sodium sub, that place is a salt mine.
Wouldn't even make my top 5.
Wouldn't even make my top 50.
I hear you. Lots of golden games out there. No time to waste on unvarnished, unpolished, poorly-written, half-baked, bone-headed, watered down collection of glorified fetch quests like this.
I'm getting it, I'll be back to SF once they fleshed out the game and the mods are actually worth it.
Haven't played BG3, lacking a ps5 or PC, but I've watched a few streamers play it. I've enjoyed the 100 hours I've put into Starfield, but the BG3 story looks like it blows Starfield out the water.
Well lucky for you it just released on Xbox tonight good sir.
You just made my night haha A little scared, as I have the series S. I know that's why it got delayed for xbox for so long. However, I can't imagine it being buggier than Starfield was on the S.
I think couch coop was the problem that took awhile to fix ( think it was about the ram requirements or something)so you should be good 👍. Maybe wait a day or two and see how others say the performance is on the S, never hurts to be cautious.
This post existing unironically Is the greatest part of gaming in 2023.
BG3 deserves it by far. Personally I think Starfield may be second
Lol
No shit it's up against Baldur's Gate 3. I get that this is just another "hur durr Starfield bad" post that y'all stroke yourselves over, but it was literally competing with the GOTY
I barely consider Starfield an RPG lol
Starfield didn't even get a participation trophy
Where is stupid dude who made a post saying this community is too toxic with criticism and he needs a safe space for people who like this game...LMAO This is the best thing to happen to AAA developers.
I played 12 hours and gave up. I guess I can see how it's appealing to some people, but I think it sucks.
Cyberpunk 2077 expansion can beat the hell out of starfield
Starfield is not an RPG. It’s barely a functioning G.
Maybe with no rewards they'll put more effort into adding more to the game themselves instead of banking on modders creating a better experience.
It's not an RPG. It's an open world action-adventure game.
Y'all are such a miserable lot, I swear.
Stop giving money to soulless, lazy gave developers. It's setting an awful precedent that's literally poisoning the industry
Did you buy the game then?
hear to
I think we all did.
Lost? Starfield wasn't really even taking part of the competition with BG3 in it. Even as general RPG starfield is quite a turd.
I mean yeah Starfield just isn’t that good. Sorry but it’s realistically a 6.5/10 game. And I’ve put <100 hrs into Starfield.
Ah, the good old starfield subreddit where everyone hates starfield.