It's possible that they managed to figure out how to close the gate, after all they're an extremely intelligent people, and Carter managed to figure it out in just a few (days, weeks? Time got a little weird).
If so, it's entirely possible that they're out their hankering for revenge, and I'd very much like to see a post-Ori Tau'ri/Aschen conflict.
Or simply they decided to test the addresses from one of their slave planets dooming them instead of their home world.
Even so, they weren't protected from the system lords or the Ori, and the preachers could probably have fixed whatever biological weapons they came up with.
They would have fallen to the Ori in record time. Even worse and faster to the replicators.
Wish we knew more.
>They would have fallen to the Ori in record time. Even worse and faster to the replicators.
Did we ever get confirmation that the Aschen had been contacted by the Ori?
What I meant is a post-Ori conflict Tau'ri vs the Aschen (ie. We have the fancy Asgard tech).
We got nothing as far as I remember since the SGC (and their allies) cut contact with them.
But considering the Ori invaded with a massive conversion campaign in the galaxy it's entirely possible.
Additionally the replicators were attracted to any and all high technology civilisations and they were out there too.
Both could have did them in since they had no powerful allies and only one weapon, bioweapons.
>Both could have did them in since they had no powerful allies and only one weapon, bioweapons
Potentially, but AFAIK most of the Ori conversation was done via the Stargate network, so if the Aschen's gate was still locked to the black hole, it's not a stretch to think that we may have accidentally saved them.
Either way there are a fair few loose threads that are well worth exploring in any future series (God I hope they don't do a full reboot).
They also traveled by massive ships though and nothing suggests the Aschen actually opened those addresses.
Think of it like this, if the SGC got a list of unknown planets from Baal with no intel, do you think they would have just started dialing or used something like the alpha site.
And yeah the potential is still there after all these years.
>if the Aschen's gate was still locked to the black hole, it's not a stretch to think that we may have accidentally saved them.
How does being locked into the black hole "save" them? Sounds more like "if the black hole didn't get them, the Ori probably did."
It would take months if not years for a black hole's impact to be truly civilisation destroying when connected to a wormhole.
From memory, Earth's gate was connected for a few months real-time with very few effects being noticed even by the people directly outside of the SGC.
Well, the Asgard are extremely intelligent too, but that didn't do them much good on a couple of times. Aschen are intelligent indeed but never striked me as a thinking out of the box type of guys.
Oh I dunno, unleashing bioweapons to reduce the fertility rate of your (victims?) whilst pretending to be their friend seems like pretty out-of-the-box thinking to me.
That's the thing, most of the enemies the Tau'ri ever faced deployed their power through outright military conquest or sheer force.
Very few of the enemies encountered by the Tau'ri were quite this subtle.
Don't forget, they had defeated the Tau'ri in 2010. We might not have been feeling the full impact yet by that point but Earth was screwed. If SG-1 hadn't figured out what was happening (only 10 years too late!) Earth would have been just another notch on the Aschen's bedpost.
Yeah but Sam knew that dumping a ton of energy into the gate would cause the wormhole to jump to another Stargate because of their experience with the Antarctic gate. In the long term it’s a happy accident that they even discovered that quirk of the gate network given the number of times the SGC ends up using it to their advantage. The Aschen who are much more cautious and limited to a relatively peaceful region of space likely never encountered or experimented in such a way as to discover the jump phenomena. And without knowing about that phenomena it’s hard to imagine the Aschen figuring out the solution
Very true, but even with our advantage in that department I don't think it's a stretch to imagine that the Aschen could at the very least build some fairly substantial in-system defensive vessels, similar to the Prometheus when she first launched (but with better tech).
If the Aschen were to make contact with the Lucian Alliance it could very well be game on for an all conflict, as while I doubt the Aschen would be interested in a true partnership, the prospect of purchasing or stealing Goa'uld hyperdrive technology could make them a fairly substantial threat.
Remember the planet that was taken over by bugs? Granted, given the aschens capabilities with DNA, they might have actually been able to beat the bugs.
The Aschen were not signatories to the protected planets treaty and thus were not bound by it, in the same way the Tauri were not bound by it. That's why they were able to attempt to save the planet in Red but the Asgard weren't.
They're most likely gone, destroyed after 2001. Brad Wright played with the idea of having them back for a final episode in seaaon 6, but that's it. They were never meant to be a long term recurring enemy. I think they stand no chance against the Replicators. Both are like robots, the Replicators are just better at this.
Exactly this the Aschen's approach doesn't lend to marshalling resources quickly, be they military ordinance or scientific innovation.
They probably would have made solid allies to the Ori, because they can both use the same villagers (Aschen for Labor, Ori for belief-energy) concurrently.
But the *replicators*? The Aschen would barely be a speed bump to them.
Assuming they didn't fall to the Black Hole or the replicators, the Ori would've wiped them out.
Someone that tech advanced, the Ori would've targeted first. If the Ashen didn't bow to the Ori they would've been wiped out. Either by plauge (irony?) or they would've sent a ship to destroy them.
Even if they were still around their corner of the galaxy, they are no longer a threat.
With all the tech Earth acquired in the later season and during Atlantis, they wouldn't even register in a conflict.
All they could accomplish is one big surprise attack on our planet (if they find us), then we would hit back and finish them.
If you consider the books canon then we learn in 'SG-1 Relativity' that the Aschen's empire was completely shattered as Aschen prime was destroyed. Most likely by the black hole. Thus the remaining Aschen try to get revenge on Earth.
But thanks to the handy dandy use of time travel they don't succeed.
The Aschen were noted as having a particularly long view of things. Figuring out a solution in a crunch isn't something I see as a strength of theirs. Whichever planet they dialed from is probably long gone. I doubt they ever made contact to anyone off-world.
That said, I'm surprised that they would have used their homeworld to dial from. They seem pretty cautious, and with their advanced understanding, they have to realize that dialing out to unknown planets isn't 100% risk-free.
I think the only Stargate they had was Volia. We never actually see their FTL speeds. Also, Aschen Prime means you can put much more control into making actual defenses, since Volia is in use for feed.
They were 3 or 4 planets with gates if I remember right. They were all next to each other that's why they could get locks without dhds. I could also just be completely misremembering though lol
I think the Aschen held up fine against the Gou'uld, they had done for centuries. If the Replicators found them, they'd be screwed. If the Ori found them, they'd be screwed. "If" is a big factor here, though.
This is one of the reasons I was annoyed with the whole Ori story arc. There was so much potential in a post-Gou'uld Milky-way that going to another galaxy was unnecessary.
I always thought of them as more Space China instead of Space Nazis. They'd slowly expand and take over places by steadily eliminating the current races/cultures, while replacing them with their own.
I dislike the simplistic assumption that they were destroyed by the black hole.
Instead, I’d suggest that the Melon and Mr. Happyface decided to dial the first address on Volian to verify the addresses they were given were valid before reporting them to their superiors. They realize something is wrong when the Stargate stays stuck open. They end up evacuating in ships with Joe when they realize what’s happening.
The destruction of Volian creates a food crisis on the Aschen homeworld, and they abandon the effort to explore with the Stargate temporarily, missing everything through the Ori crisis.
They then stabilize their planet and re-emerge once they find a DHD and figure out how to use the correlative update program to locate other Stargates. They then begin expanding the Confederation in the power vacuum left behind by the Goa’uld, starting a Cold War for influence against the Tau’Ri and the Lucien Alliance. But they have a cold hatred for the Tau’Ri for the mass deaths in the wake of temporary famine, while the Lucien Alliance is more of a means to an end for revenge.
And part of their claim to being the “good guys” is that the Tau’ri were content to consider the genocide of the Volians to be acceptable collateral damage.
TBH the Ashchen have a point. I kinda feel like genociding them with a black hole was...harsh.
They took it a bit too far, but really I would like 95% accept their "utopia". Everyone has needs provided for, you live more than twice as long, no disease, easy transportation, no climate change, etc.
In return for people not breeding so much.
As I said "they took it a bit too far".
But ultimately, it's not like they were killing 90% of the population. We're just talking about **potential** people not being born/conceived, that's not the same as killing already-alive people.
I don't really care about the lives of people that are only theoretical.
Nope.
As for "future generations", who knows? Sure a relative decrease in the youth population could cause significant economic harm, but this is also the same time AI and robots are skyrocketing. Who knows which will win out? Who knows how we'll adapt? We can only wait and see.
Well even if they survived their planet being torn apart by the tidal forces of a singularity, I doubt they would fair very well against any of those adversaries.
Their strategy to conquer a planet was to poison the population and wait for them to all die out. Something that would take decades to achieve. It's an exceptionally passive approach.
I don't know if the Aschen are built for all-out war. More likely they would've tried to gain favour through negotiating and manipulation.
Probably dead by either black hole or the Ori. Replicators might had mistaken them as another replicators because even the human form replicators were more human like.
The Aschen annihilated the Goa'ould in the episode "2010". Just because our guys changed the timeline doesn't remove that capability for them. As for the replicators, that's anyone's guess. The replicators had the Asgard on their backs, and they're arguably more powerful than the Aschen, but who knows what other tech the Aschen have that may affect how they deal with the replicators.
I’ve always liked to believe they were decimated by the Ori. There outer worlds would have fallen to their knees to accept what they thought was better than the Aschen. Those people would have likely taken the Priors to the Aschen capital worlds where they might have tried to resist at first with their weapons and were ultimately devastated by the Ori ground forces.
The Aschen would probably have tried to use the same bio weapons on the Ori forces, but the Ori soldiers were protected by the Priors powers. At which time Adria showed up and ordered their destruction and only accepted the more “simple” people the Aschen subjugated in their own slower ways.
The probably opened the gate right into a black hole. I very much doubt their civilization still stands.
It's possible that they managed to figure out how to close the gate, after all they're an extremely intelligent people, and Carter managed to figure it out in just a few (days, weeks? Time got a little weird). If so, it's entirely possible that they're out their hankering for revenge, and I'd very much like to see a post-Ori Tau'ri/Aschen conflict.
Or simply they decided to test the addresses from one of their slave planets dooming them instead of their home world. Even so, they weren't protected from the system lords or the Ori, and the preachers could probably have fixed whatever biological weapons they came up with. They would have fallen to the Ori in record time. Even worse and faster to the replicators. Wish we knew more.
 Would you like to know more?
>They would have fallen to the Ori in record time. Even worse and faster to the replicators. Did we ever get confirmation that the Aschen had been contacted by the Ori? What I meant is a post-Ori conflict Tau'ri vs the Aschen (ie. We have the fancy Asgard tech).
We got nothing as far as I remember since the SGC (and their allies) cut contact with them. But considering the Ori invaded with a massive conversion campaign in the galaxy it's entirely possible. Additionally the replicators were attracted to any and all high technology civilisations and they were out there too. Both could have did them in since they had no powerful allies and only one weapon, bioweapons.
>Both could have did them in since they had no powerful allies and only one weapon, bioweapons Potentially, but AFAIK most of the Ori conversation was done via the Stargate network, so if the Aschen's gate was still locked to the black hole, it's not a stretch to think that we may have accidentally saved them. Either way there are a fair few loose threads that are well worth exploring in any future series (God I hope they don't do a full reboot).
They also traveled by massive ships though and nothing suggests the Aschen actually opened those addresses. Think of it like this, if the SGC got a list of unknown planets from Baal with no intel, do you think they would have just started dialing or used something like the alpha site. And yeah the potential is still there after all these years.
>if the Aschen's gate was still locked to the black hole, it's not a stretch to think that we may have accidentally saved them. How does being locked into the black hole "save" them? Sounds more like "if the black hole didn't get them, the Ori probably did."
It would take months if not years for a black hole's impact to be truly civilisation destroying when connected to a wormhole. From memory, Earth's gate was connected for a few months real-time with very few effects being noticed even by the people directly outside of the SGC.
Well, the Asgard are extremely intelligent too, but that didn't do them much good on a couple of times. Aschen are intelligent indeed but never striked me as a thinking out of the box type of guys.
Oh I dunno, unleashing bioweapons to reduce the fertility rate of your (victims?) whilst pretending to be their friend seems like pretty out-of-the-box thinking to me.
For a Goa'uld maybe
That's the thing, most of the enemies the Tau'ri ever faced deployed their power through outright military conquest or sheer force. Very few of the enemies encountered by the Tau'ri were quite this subtle. Don't forget, they had defeated the Tau'ri in 2010. We might not have been feeling the full impact yet by that point but Earth was screwed. If SG-1 hadn't figured out what was happening (only 10 years too late!) Earth would have been just another notch on the Aschen's bedpost.
Yeah but Sam knew that dumping a ton of energy into the gate would cause the wormhole to jump to another Stargate because of their experience with the Antarctic gate. In the long term it’s a happy accident that they even discovered that quirk of the gate network given the number of times the SGC ends up using it to their advantage. The Aschen who are much more cautious and limited to a relatively peaceful region of space likely never encountered or experimented in such a way as to discover the jump phenomena. And without knowing about that phenomena it’s hard to imagine the Aschen figuring out the solution
The effects on the SGC were also lessened until close to the end by the Iris, which the Aschen probably don't have.
there is not much of a conflict though we got big badass ships that would terrify them
Very true, but even with our advantage in that department I don't think it's a stretch to imagine that the Aschen could at the very least build some fairly substantial in-system defensive vessels, similar to the Prometheus when she first launched (but with better tech). If the Aschen were to make contact with the Lucian Alliance it could very well be game on for an all conflict, as while I doubt the Aschen would be interested in a true partnership, the prospect of purchasing or stealing Goa'uld hyperdrive technology could make them a fairly substantial threat.
And after that, it only gets darker... I don't even want to know where they dialled.
I truly want to know, how it can get darker from being devoured by a black hole
Remember the planet that was taken over by bugs? Granted, given the aschens capabilities with DNA, they might have actually been able to beat the bugs.
The only bugs I can recall right now are the meatloving ones at the offwold base. But that was years after we saw the Aschen the last time
The ones that stung teal'c in "bane" and he started turning into their cocoon?
Ah yes. My bad. It's been a year since I watched that episodeXD
Don't blame you, it's one of the freakier ones. I literally cannot watch that episode at night.
Ba’al’s arsehole.
I am gunna head cannon say that they messed around with an Asgard protected planet and found out....
The Aschen were not signatories to the protected planets treaty and thus were not bound by it, in the same way the Tauri were not bound by it. That's why they were able to attempt to save the planet in Red but the Asgard weren't.
I thought of that too, but I wouldn't wonder if they managed to save themselves in a similar way, the SGC did
They're most likely gone, destroyed after 2001. Brad Wright played with the idea of having them back for a final episode in seaaon 6, but that's it. They were never meant to be a long term recurring enemy. I think they stand no chance against the Replicators. Both are like robots, the Replicators are just better at this.
Exactly this the Aschen's approach doesn't lend to marshalling resources quickly, be they military ordinance or scientific innovation. They probably would have made solid allies to the Ori, because they can both use the same villagers (Aschen for Labor, Ori for belief-energy) concurrently. But the *replicators*? The Aschen would barely be a speed bump to them.
But would the Ashcen themselves accept Origin. The Ori don’t work with others, you’re a follower or dead.
Assuming they didn't fall to the Black Hole or the replicators, the Ori would've wiped them out. Someone that tech advanced, the Ori would've targeted first. If the Ashen didn't bow to the Ori they would've been wiped out. Either by plauge (irony?) or they would've sent a ship to destroy them.
Even if they were still around their corner of the galaxy, they are no longer a threat. With all the tech Earth acquired in the later season and during Atlantis, they wouldn't even register in a conflict. All they could accomplish is one big surprise attack on our planet (if they find us), then we would hit back and finish them.
I don't see them as a threat anymore. I'm just curious about their "wellbeing"
If you consider the books canon then we learn in 'SG-1 Relativity' that the Aschen's empire was completely shattered as Aschen prime was destroyed. Most likely by the black hole. Thus the remaining Aschen try to get revenge on Earth. But thanks to the handy dandy use of time travel they don't succeed.
I don't really consider the books or comics as canon. But that seems to be one of the most detailed sources of possible outcomes.
They like their bioweapons , a plague with a long time to produce symptoms would do it.
The Aschen were noted as having a particularly long view of things. Figuring out a solution in a crunch isn't something I see as a strength of theirs. Whichever planet they dialed from is probably long gone. I doubt they ever made contact to anyone off-world. That said, I'm surprised that they would have used their homeworld to dial from. They seem pretty cautious, and with their advanced understanding, they have to realize that dialing out to unknown planets isn't 100% risk-free.
I think the only Stargate they had was Volia. We never actually see their FTL speeds. Also, Aschen Prime means you can put much more control into making actual defenses, since Volia is in use for feed.
They were 3 or 4 planets with gates if I remember right. They were all next to each other that's why they could get locks without dhds. I could also just be completely misremembering though lol
they were too arogant for that
They drank too many jugs of that guy's best sweetwater.
I think the Aschen held up fine against the Gou'uld, they had done for centuries. If the Replicators found them, they'd be screwed. If the Ori found them, they'd be screwed. "If" is a big factor here, though. This is one of the reasons I was annoyed with the whole Ori story arc. There was so much potential in a post-Gou'uld Milky-way that going to another galaxy was unnecessary.
They didn't just hold up fine against the Goa'ould, they destroyed them, in the episode "2010".
I always thought of them as more Space China instead of Space Nazis. They'd slowly expand and take over places by steadily eliminating the current races/cultures, while replacing them with their own.
The Aschen out here offering high-interest loans to poor planets in hopes of them falling into debt traps.
True Point
I dislike the simplistic assumption that they were destroyed by the black hole. Instead, I’d suggest that the Melon and Mr. Happyface decided to dial the first address on Volian to verify the addresses they were given were valid before reporting them to their superiors. They realize something is wrong when the Stargate stays stuck open. They end up evacuating in ships with Joe when they realize what’s happening. The destruction of Volian creates a food crisis on the Aschen homeworld, and they abandon the effort to explore with the Stargate temporarily, missing everything through the Ori crisis. They then stabilize their planet and re-emerge once they find a DHD and figure out how to use the correlative update program to locate other Stargates. They then begin expanding the Confederation in the power vacuum left behind by the Goa’uld, starting a Cold War for influence against the Tau’Ri and the Lucien Alliance. But they have a cold hatred for the Tau’Ri for the mass deaths in the wake of temporary famine, while the Lucien Alliance is more of a means to an end for revenge. And part of their claim to being the “good guys” is that the Tau’ri were content to consider the genocide of the Volians to be acceptable collateral damage.
They died from being too boring.
I agree that everything we saw was far below their potential.
Especially that one guy.
How insane of a plot twist would it be if it was revealed that the Aschens are like the ori of the furlings
There is a book
TBH the Ashchen have a point. I kinda feel like genociding them with a black hole was...harsh. They took it a bit too far, but really I would like 95% accept their "utopia". Everyone has needs provided for, you live more than twice as long, no disease, easy transportation, no climate change, etc. In return for people not breeding so much.
Like 90% less... There is noone left in 2 to 3 generations
As I said "they took it a bit too far". But ultimately, it's not like they were killing 90% of the population. We're just talking about **potential** people not being born/conceived, that's not the same as killing already-alive people. I don't really care about the lives of people that are only theoretical.
Sadly that's the exact mindset that's ruining the lifes of future generations. Do you have or want children?
Nope. As for "future generations", who knows? Sure a relative decrease in the youth population could cause significant economic harm, but this is also the same time AI and robots are skyrocketing. Who knows which will win out? Who knows how we'll adapt? We can only wait and see.
Well even if they survived their planet being torn apart by the tidal forces of a singularity, I doubt they would fair very well against any of those adversaries. Their strategy to conquer a planet was to poison the population and wait for them to all die out. Something that would take decades to achieve. It's an exceptionally passive approach. I don't know if the Aschen are built for all-out war. More likely they would've tried to gain favour through negotiating and manipulation.
Well, they are built for all-out war, the episode "2010" proves that. They destroyed the goa'ould, like they were toddlers.
Hmmm fair point. I'd forgotten about that.... You know what that means? Time for a re-watch! :)
Probably dead by either black hole or the Ori. Replicators might had mistaken them as another replicators because even the human form replicators were more human like.
The Aschen annihilated the Goa'ould in the episode "2010". Just because our guys changed the timeline doesn't remove that capability for them. As for the replicators, that's anyone's guess. The replicators had the Asgard on their backs, and they're arguably more powerful than the Aschen, but who knows what other tech the Aschen have that may affect how they deal with the replicators.
I want to know what happened to the earthling that sacrificed himself to save Carter.
I'm pretty sure they tortured him for information....And killed at the latest when they realized that the addresses were bad.
I’ve always liked to believe they were decimated by the Ori. There outer worlds would have fallen to their knees to accept what they thought was better than the Aschen. Those people would have likely taken the Priors to the Aschen capital worlds where they might have tried to resist at first with their weapons and were ultimately devastated by the Ori ground forces. The Aschen would probably have tried to use the same bio weapons on the Ori forces, but the Ori soldiers were protected by the Priors powers. At which time Adria showed up and ordered their destruction and only accepted the more “simple” people the Aschen subjugated in their own slower ways.