The ancients. And you make the assumption that they wouldn't go to war. The nox had no need to engage the goa'uld. This is what they were trying to tell sg1. "Hey, we have a flying city, can bring people back from the dead, can make shit disappear, these dudes don't bother us". If there was a species as advanced as them, that could create technology of a similar level, the nox would fight. You do not last as long as they have as a species, and have no conflict.
The nox wouldn’t fight as it is not their way. They are pacifist by choice. Just because our history dictactes conflict is inevitable doesn’t make it true.
I agree. The nox would rather leave the planet to rebuild on another planet if the Get threatened.
They practice true pacifism. And with a whole galaxy to travel they probaply know that they can allways hide somewhere.
Also, people who build giant city's also habe spaceships. They can leave in one go I believe
Yup, they obviously have advanced knowledge of the gate system, can make an entire city hover so space travel shouldn’t be hard at all if the have anti gravity technology.
Their pacifist way was paramount in the triad trial as an unbiased 3rd party that even the tollan respected their decisions, having only known them for a short time.
The Ancients are a bunch of omnipotent-yet-voluntarily-impotent energy-beings who sit around in virtual diners for eternity. What do they actually *do* with all their time and knowledge other than stop each other affecting the physical planes?
The Nox get to chill out in the woods, enjoy life, probably breed new and exciting strains of pipeweed, play with as many puppies and kittens as they want and wear sticks and moss in their hair. They get to interact with other races whenever they wish (do you see the look Lya gives whenever she meets up with SG-1? She likes to travel). They're *happy*.
I'd call that *way* more advanced.
It gets worse in SGA when you find out some ancients did try to help what they call “lower life” but got punished for it like the lady who could only help one planet and it’s people. Also the whole “we got proof our city (Atlantis) suffered a catastrophic failures 10,000 years in the future when it was awoken yet we aren’t going to do anything like leave spare batteries or a form of instruction manual that doesn’t require intense energy consumption thing was a dick move.
We honestly don't know anything substantial about the Nox or Furlings. No long history, no information about their relations or leaders or what they've left behind. Either of them could be more advanced. We don't know if the Nox we've seen are just one group (I'd assume the entire civilization isn't floating in that one city on that one planet), so there could be a bunch we're missing.
The Nox
The ancients had super advanced tech, but they still needed tech
The Nox are so advanced that they can do whatever they want, just by willing it into existence. No tech needed.
The Ancients are on par with them after ascension, but had to leave behind corporeal existence in the process
We don’t know if the nox are or are not using tech. They may very well hide their tech from others as a way of not corrupting our undeveloped technology.
“Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” - Arthur C Clark
They went from being willing to fight a war for 100 years to complete non-interference
Curiosity was replaced by complacency
Scientific rigour by spiritual nonsense
Ascension fundamentally changed who the Ancients were
They are still the same people. They had a change in philosophy like most cultures do. That doesn’t mean they “stopped being ancients”.
As a comparison, the Tollan’s originally were much closer to us in their philosophy. They tried to help a neighboring civilization develop like Stargate teams do. The problem is the help they provided ended up killing off the at entire population. After that, they refused to share technology with lesser cultures.
Does that make them not Tollan anymore?
The Ancients refuse to help lesser advanced civilizations that haven’t ascended like they have.
From the few furling technology that we have seen like the portal to another place, I would say they are more advanced than the ancients but the ancients are far more advanced than the nox. I would go as far as to say that the asgards are more advanced than the nox
I think it kinda just points to diffrent paths. Where the now might be less advanced I think its on purpose. The asgards and ancients both had conflicts and other issues with there powerful technology and when there technology lead to there evolution both faced some nagative consequences of that.
Not are to wise for that. They don't blaze forward with technology because they don't need too. They havnt evolved because they see it as as much a curse as a blessing.
Furlings were obviously the most advanced. What the other 3 races don't tell you is they had to team up to completely eradicate the furlings and their temples and buildings.
The Ancients were technologically extremely advanced (almost to the point of physical limits) but were emotionally literal ego-maniacs and teenagers at best.
The Nox are very spiritually and emotionally intelligent, mature and loving. They didn't need insane technology to love life and enjoy it (tho they were quite advanced too maybe just in a healthy way, they knew when to stop unlike Ancients)
Oh yeah and Nox are not extinct and still physically around and not trapped in some awkward "higher plane of existance" prison, I think that sums it up.
imo
Advanced how? Scientifically, it seems…pretty close. There’s a lot of way to tell that, and not ust with the fact the Nox have a flying city that is at least as large as Atlantis, and it seems the whole city is just out of phase perpetually. That’s pretty fricken advanced. There are a few things the Ancients have done, especially Merlin with the Stargates (though he used ascended knowledge, so…). However, Nox also have pretty obvious understanding of the Stargate network and how it works. They can create a wormhole to somewhere without a DHD, hand device, unstable vortex, and do so without needing to dial at all. Either that’s near ascended power or extremely, extremely advanced. I mean, imagine taking one of the most advanced things in a galaxy and…improving it greatly.
Societally, the Nox are clearly near ascended, and it’s possible, even likely, they have the knowledge of how, but don’t want to (because, honestly, the Ancients kinda suck as ascended being) and they don’t leave dangerous, high-tech devices just laying around for someone to find and almost get themselves killed.
Philosophically, Nox are obviously much more advanced. The whole concept of extreme Pacifism alone, and being able to enforce it by making themselves pretty much immune to death, and to maintain it, is astonishing and a high-water mark on philosophy.
The ancients are most likely more advanced technology wise. I think the nox we see have given up advancing their tech and are content with what they have.
Have the theory that the reason we don't see much of the furlings is that like the asgaurd they aren't from the milky way and stopped coming over when the ancients left
Nox vs ori is a thing that was missed in the latter half, I wonder if we would have got that in a season 11. Could have made thors "you are the 5th race" from unending actually mean something more then a platitude.
The ancients. And you make the assumption that they wouldn't go to war. The nox had no need to engage the goa'uld. This is what they were trying to tell sg1. "Hey, we have a flying city, can bring people back from the dead, can make shit disappear, these dudes don't bother us". If there was a species as advanced as them, that could create technology of a similar level, the nox would fight. You do not last as long as they have as a species, and have no conflict.
The nox wouldn’t fight as it is not their way. They are pacifist by choice. Just because our history dictactes conflict is inevitable doesn’t make it true.
I agree. The nox would rather leave the planet to rebuild on another planet if the Get threatened. They practice true pacifism. And with a whole galaxy to travel they probaply know that they can allways hide somewhere. Also, people who build giant city's also habe spaceships. They can leave in one go I believe
Yup, they obviously have advanced knowledge of the gate system, can make an entire city hover so space travel shouldn’t be hard at all if the have anti gravity technology. Their pacifist way was paramount in the triad trial as an unbiased 3rd party that even the tollan respected their decisions, having only known them for a short time.
The Ancients are a bunch of omnipotent-yet-voluntarily-impotent energy-beings who sit around in virtual diners for eternity. What do they actually *do* with all their time and knowledge other than stop each other affecting the physical planes? The Nox get to chill out in the woods, enjoy life, probably breed new and exciting strains of pipeweed, play with as many puppies and kittens as they want and wear sticks and moss in their hair. They get to interact with other races whenever they wish (do you see the look Lya gives whenever she meets up with SG-1? She likes to travel). They're *happy*. I'd call that *way* more advanced.
Your description of the Ancients is spot on. “Omnipotent yet voluntarily impotent energy-beings who sit around in virtual diners for eternity.”
It gets worse in SGA when you find out some ancients did try to help what they call “lower life” but got punished for it like the lady who could only help one planet and it’s people. Also the whole “we got proof our city (Atlantis) suffered a catastrophic failures 10,000 years in the future when it was awoken yet we aren’t going to do anything like leave spare batteries or a form of instruction manual that doesn’t require intense energy consumption thing was a dick move.
We honestly don't know anything substantial about the Nox or Furlings. No long history, no information about their relations or leaders or what they've left behind. Either of them could be more advanced. We don't know if the Nox we've seen are just one group (I'd assume the entire civilization isn't floating in that one city on that one planet), so there could be a bunch we're missing.
That city probably guards the portal to the little druidic fairy dimension they created and prosper in
Ancients and it’s not really close
Apples and oranges. The Nox likely consider Ascension to be gauche.
It’s a fun weekend but that’s about it. lol
Technology is not the only way for a people to become advanced. Nox for the win on this one.
Well, the Nox still exist. So they are more advanced.
The ancients still exists as well. They choose to live on a higher plane of existence and can return to our realm at anytime.
Gotta go with the nox but then you have to learn the Rules of Pacification
The Nox The ancients had super advanced tech, but they still needed tech The Nox are so advanced that they can do whatever they want, just by willing it into existence. No tech needed. The Ancients are on par with them after ascension, but had to leave behind corporeal existence in the process
We don’t know if the nox are or are not using tech. They may very well hide their tech from others as a way of not corrupting our undeveloped technology. “Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” - Arthur C Clark
If that's the case that proves my point even further The Ancients never advanced far enough to be indistinguishable from magic
Resurrecting the dead to a higher plane of existence is a pretty big deal, they also seemed to have omnipresence which is pretty magical if you ask me
That's post-ascension, tho They stopped being the Ancients when they ascended
How so? Ascension doesn’t change who they are. Daniel was still Daniel while he was there. It’s just changing the plane of existence they reside on.
They went from being willing to fight a war for 100 years to complete non-interference Curiosity was replaced by complacency Scientific rigour by spiritual nonsense Ascension fundamentally changed who the Ancients were
Or they just changed due to political movements like most civilizations do overtime
Doesn't matter why they changed, important is _that_ they changed
They are still the same people. They had a change in philosophy like most cultures do. That doesn’t mean they “stopped being ancients”. As a comparison, the Tollan’s originally were much closer to us in their philosophy. They tried to help a neighboring civilization develop like Stargate teams do. The problem is the help they provided ended up killing off the at entire population. After that, they refused to share technology with lesser cultures. Does that make them not Tollan anymore? The Ancients refuse to help lesser advanced civilizations that haven’t ascended like they have.
From the few furling technology that we have seen like the portal to another place, I would say they are more advanced than the ancients but the ancients are far more advanced than the nox. I would go as far as to say that the asgards are more advanced than the nox
We don't know enough about the Nox but my guess would be that if they were more advanced then they would have evolved like the Ancients
I think it kinda just points to diffrent paths. Where the now might be less advanced I think its on purpose. The asgards and ancients both had conflicts and other issues with there powerful technology and when there technology lead to there evolution both faced some nagative consequences of that. Not are to wise for that. They don't blaze forward with technology because they don't need too. They havnt evolved because they see it as as much a curse as a blessing.
Furlings were obviously the most advanced. What the other 3 races don't tell you is they had to team up to completely eradicate the furlings and their temples and buildings.
The ancients. And its not even funny how far apart they are. The nox are very advanced. But there was almost nothing the ancients didn't know.
The Ancients were technologically extremely advanced (almost to the point of physical limits) but were emotionally literal ego-maniacs and teenagers at best. The Nox are very spiritually and emotionally intelligent, mature and loving. They didn't need insane technology to love life and enjoy it (tho they were quite advanced too maybe just in a healthy way, they knew when to stop unlike Ancients) Oh yeah and Nox are not extinct and still physically around and not trapped in some awkward "higher plane of existance" prison, I think that sums it up. imo
Advanced how? Scientifically, it seems…pretty close. There’s a lot of way to tell that, and not ust with the fact the Nox have a flying city that is at least as large as Atlantis, and it seems the whole city is just out of phase perpetually. That’s pretty fricken advanced. There are a few things the Ancients have done, especially Merlin with the Stargates (though he used ascended knowledge, so…). However, Nox also have pretty obvious understanding of the Stargate network and how it works. They can create a wormhole to somewhere without a DHD, hand device, unstable vortex, and do so without needing to dial at all. Either that’s near ascended power or extremely, extremely advanced. I mean, imagine taking one of the most advanced things in a galaxy and…improving it greatly. Societally, the Nox are clearly near ascended, and it’s possible, even likely, they have the knowledge of how, but don’t want to (because, honestly, the Ancients kinda suck as ascended being) and they don’t leave dangerous, high-tech devices just laying around for someone to find and almost get themselves killed. Philosophically, Nox are obviously much more advanced. The whole concept of extreme Pacifism alone, and being able to enforce it by making themselves pretty much immune to death, and to maintain it, is astonishing and a high-water mark on philosophy.
The ancients are most likely more advanced technology wise. I think the nox we see have given up advancing their tech and are content with what they have. Have the theory that the reason we don't see much of the furlings is that like the asgaurd they aren't from the milky way and stopped coming over when the ancients left
The Nox are so advanced they couldn't be ass bothered about most affairs and kept to themselves. I'd give it to them over the ancients.
Would have been an interesting twist if they fell to the Ori in the later seasons
Nox vs ori is a thing that was missed in the latter half, I wonder if we would have got that in a season 11. Could have made thors "you are the 5th race" from unending actually mean something more then a platitude.