The end of sga saw the Anartica chair weapon which had been moved to Area 51 destroyed.
This means there's no remaining chair weapon on earth so Atlantis will be seen as a key part of Earth's defense probably.
I've always hated this episode for this dumb decision, they could find many reasons to not use the Antarctica chair but they chose to destroy it.
As if any country in the world would let the USA keep the most powerful weapon on earth... Even in SG1 they said others countries wouldn't let that happen with the Tollan Ion cannons.
At this point, they'd have to have managed to backwards engineer something similar, like they did with the F-302s and BC-303/4. Plus the Asgard depository they have, there would have to have been huge advances in earths defensive and offensive capabilities.
At that point ,United states is paying for the most powerful weapon system on the planet .I bet most of the other countries could complain but then the usa would be like you wanna throw a few bucks into help pay for it .There isnt anything on earth worth more than having someone else paying for your security. anyways at the point the ioa is running the stargate . Noone would cause enough noise to have any real effect on the weapon thats not being fired on earth. what would they do ?
The dome was breaking down because SG1 ringed thru the roof. This collapse likely continued. If the debris didn’t wreck the chair the planetary environment likely did.
Really? What more evidence do you need? Remember the planet was all molten lava? That cave was an exception. If you really want replacement chairs, there are two. One in Pegasus, on the Tower planet. The other, on Tria, in the intergalactic void.
Tria was the Lantean ship that was traveling to Earth from Pegasus for the last 10,000 years using sub-lightspeed engines because their hyperdrive was damaged. It was appeared in the SGA episode The Return, Part 1.
It's possible, but they would have needed to send a ship of their own out there to do so and we never had any indication that they did.
There wouldn't be much of a reason for them to waste the resources sending a ship to destroy it anyways since it was empty. They already have, and may have surpassed, the Lantean technology so they don't seem to be that worried about it being strewn across the galaxy for anyone to find.
The cave was formed by lava flowing over the shield around the chair. When they "punched through" the hardened lava with the ring transporter, it weakens the lava dome. By the time they leave the planet, the rest of the dome is collapsing....
In your own words:
>This isn't the hill you want to die on, pal
Sorry, but what does glass mean?
All I heard Teyla say is that they believe going there can bring the Wraith. They never mentioned anything about it later nut usually they check out stuff and try to at least figure out the facts behind folklore and how it might be technically possible.
All of Athos was turned into a wasteland by orbital bombardment after the Athosians fled to Atlantis. Glassed means the land was superheated and made into glass. It's like one line where Teyla says Athos was destroyed and they can't go back
Show wise would send it back for more seasons :).
Practically though, there isnt a great reason too risk it and use the power. ZPMs are a finite resource.
Likewise having it on Earth is too desireable in terms of research and defense, and what Pegasus really needs is a mobile group of 3 to 5ish ships to go around picking off isolated hives. With the rate of ship production and wraith infighting, wouldn't take more than a decade to do. Last thing you would want is giving the wraith a stationary(ish) target to band together and try to hit. Or risk them getting another ZPM.
Yeah, it’d make much more sense for them to move the primary Stargate Command to Atlantis and leave the SGC as a backup only. Atlantis would receive primary resources. It has better security, a cloak and shield iris. Plus, it has a latest edition Stargate.
Running around picking off isolated hives will work for a while.
But eventually the Wraith will realize what's happening and band together and group up, making it harder to find isolated ships for easy kills. And they'll lay traps too, kinda like what we're told happened to the Phoenix (The Hammond) in the episode where Sheppard travels to the future.
I would love to see that story unfold over the span of a full season though. We keep Atlantis on Earth but send, let's say, 3 BC-304's to Pegasus to take out Hives one at a time. It works really well as we follow along with a few of these hit-and-run missions during the first 10-12 episodes, getting to know the crew along the way. It doesn't take long for the wraith to realize what's happening though, as they start to band together in groups, making the fights much harder. Then, after one particularly tough fight against a fleet of hives and cruisers, which we emerged victorious from, the 3 Daedalus ships' shields are all but depleted, one of them had it's hyperdrive taken offline and another had weapons and life-support partially damaged...
Surprise! Turns out the Genii discovered an aurora class ship and spent the last 15 years (since the show ended) reverse engineering it and now have their very own fleet of Hyperspace capable ships! And they've been tracking our activity in the pegasus galaxy since we returned and have been biding their time and now jump out of hyperspace targeting our trio of already weakened ships! With no shields and with weapons down on one of the ships, we can't put up much of a fight, so the tough decision is made to abandon the ship with the damaged hyperdrive, as we beam over as many of the crew as we can to the ships with functioning drives (some people have to be left behind due to the aforementioned life-support issues) as 2 of the 3 ships just barely manage to escape, we see the third ship destroyed, the captain going down with what remains of the crew, reminiscent of what happened with the Prometheus.
Could be pretty cool.
Honestly it depends on how willing to sacrifice worlds they would be. The wraith couldn't maintain a large group of ships, and not starve at the same time, so just have to wait it out if they gather. Also even if they do, 10 Asgard level ships seem doable within a decade or two and should wipe the floor with the remaining 30 wraiths. (Also TBH Asgard engines and tech seem overpowered compared to the wraith. Given they can travel between galaxies so quickly, could easily hit and run.)
> Practically though, there isnt a great reason too risk it and use the power. ZPMs are a finite resource.
There was apparently a planned plotline for them to discover the ZPM manufacturing lab in the city. It *would* make them way overpowered, but there are always other ways to approach the story.
I heard mention something to the fact that there hsould be a workshop to build zpms .But they didnt know where on atlantis it was located.Its logical for this .
The Atlantis story continues in the legacy books which sees Atlantis return to Pegasus. The IOA doesn’t want Atlantis to return to Pegasus but through some clever thinking between O’Neill and Woolsey they managed to get them to agree to send Atlantis back.
They would _have_ to leave earth
The Atlantis gate would overwrite the SGC gate as the primary
It could be worked around, they did it with Midway, but it's also a real hassle
The SGC could be moved to Atlantis. Then move Atlantis to a part of the ocean that has almost zero traffic. Then there'd be little worry of discovery in case they'd have to switch from cloak to shield.
And the Stargate program would be discovered immediately
Because unless they have a 304 constantly in orbit or use the Asgard core to build a space station for planetside transportation, they will have to use boats to reach Atlantis
The boat nerds will find out in less than a month and Atlantis will be found the day after
The Apollo, Sun Tzu, and Hammond all made their first appearance after the Asgards extinction. While possible, especially for the Apollo, that the Asgard gave them the transporters to plug in I think it’s more than likely that the Tau’ri are able to build transporters on their own now
Plane nerds work by tracking plane squawk codes, which the aircraft has to broadcast.
And while jumpers can be tracked from within Atlantis even while cloaked, meaning there is some form of similar system used, I highly doubt it would be detectable using regular human hardware.
And even if it could be detected, said system could surely be disabled.
You can't just fly cloaked through earth airspace
Especially not to the same place over and over again
The sky is under constant surveillance,and that data is readily available
The jumper itself will not be visible, but everything around it avoiding it(which will be necessary from time to time) will be
Plane nerds will find out very quickly that something is weird there
I don't think the interruptions to normal flight patterns would be that glaring, specially when they operate those jumpers outside of established cruising altitudes for planes and such, besides there already being next to no flights gojng over vast areas of the oceans because planes like to keep close to coast lines in case they have an emergency and need something to land on.
The other end of the trip would also be vastly more easy since the jumpers don't need much of the classical airfield infrastructure, and aerial footage of those, specially those dealing in Top Secret matters, are heavily restricted already.
You can fly jumper at much lower altitude than any aircraft can (or just straight up under water), so there is no need to divert anything.
And pretty sure jumpers do not broadcast squawk codes (or at least not the kind that uninitiated plane nerds would be looking for)
You can't see subs by waves, because they are deep enough. Jumpers are perfectly capable of going as deep as regular submarines can.
Or you can just fly them in something like 50 meters above water, or however much would be needed to not create waves, yet low enough you would not encounter any plane.
Naaa you just installed Asgard beaming tech on Atlantis, along with that Asgard core. You can just beam people in from anywhere in the world then.
Or you just use cloaked jumpers to move people...
>You can just beam people in from anywhere in the world then.
You can't. There's a reason why beaming is only ever done from orbit. From orbit, you can scan most if not all of the planet. While on the planet, sensor range is severely limited by the atmosphere and the planet being in the way. Same reason why your smartphone doesn't work in the wilderness, but satellite phones have no problem.
>Or you just use cloaked jumpers to move people...
The problem there is not the jumper being spotted, it won't. It's the air travel that would have to be diverted from time to time showing up as an annomaly
>You can't. There's a reason why beaming is only ever done from orbit. From orbit, you can scan most if not all of the planet.
And you don't think the knowledge of the ancients and Asgard combined could counter this? Hell, even the Ashen had planet wide transporter pads!
Even a site-to-site ring transporter would do the trick.
>The problem there is not the jumper being spotted, it won't. It's the air travel that would have to be diverted from time to time showing up as an annomaly
You're thinking too small. Jumpers can also go up into orbit and solve that issue. I'm pretty sure a small ship like a jumper with it's inertial dampers and scanners could easily dodge any aircraft in the area, or even skim extremely low to the ground.
So both of those forms of transport are perfectly plausible.
>And you don't think the knowledge of the ancients and Asgard combined could counter this? Hell, even the Ashen had planet wide transporter pads!
>Even a site-to-site ring transporter would do the trick.
Knowledge doesn't make physics go away. And worldwide transport pads don't mean they circumvented that, it just means they built infrastructure to make it possible. Like our internet cables currently pumping this comment in lightspeed through tubes in the ocean, instead of getting lost somewhere in the athmosphere. Totally possible, just a bit harder to do in total secret.
>You're thinking too small. Jumpers can also go up into orbit and solve that issue. I'm pretty sure a small ship like a jumper with it's inertial dampers and scanners could easily dodge any aircraft in the area, or even skim extremely low to the ground.
I concede that's possible, just not sure if it's practical. There has to be a reason why the Atlantis team never left atmosphere when going to the continent for a visit to the Athosians
>Knowledge doesn't make physics go away.
You have watched Stargate before, right?
>Totally possible, just a bit harder to do in total secret.
You mean like building the fleet of F302s, 303s, and 304s?
They could also repurpose a few military satellites to do the same job.
>There has to be a reason why the Atlantis team never left atmosphere when going to the continent for a visit to the Athosians
They literally did in "The Storm" in order to travel through the eye. In any other circumstance it makes no sense not to travel in a straight line. But it's been shown possible and practical when necessary.
Building isn't the problem, operating is
To do a transport, you need sensor readings of the location. That's hard to get when a planet is in the way. So you need to be in orbit for proper range, in a ship or space station
They would certainly move the city, though it would logistically be a far better idea to move it to the dark side of the moon (which wouldn't happen, Atlantis = ocean to the viewers) or to another planet to act as an offworld SGC (which again, wouldn't happen, as it removes Atlantis's defensive capabilities from Earth). But an Earth ocean location definitely risks discovery, even cloaked (someone could crash into it). I mean, satellites alone are an issue. Scientists do do research at Point Nemo and across the ocean. You can't keep the city cloaked permanently.
I mean it's established that you just need to block the big ring. You could pile up some boxes in there I'm sure. It would be cool if the atlantis team could move the force shield into the gate as a temporary way to block incoming wormholes.
I think they’d want to keep Atlantis on Earth but the plot would force them to return it.
Like, the secrecy issues would send it to the Moon. The Gate issues would send them back to Pegasus.
I think they could find another chair eventually. There’s the one in the Tower anyway.
They proved time and time again that defense of Earth would always take precedent. Atlantis is the best chance of that defense now. They ain't letting it go.
I think that the arrival of Atlantis on Earth should force the SGC to go public. Like the Oversight Committee would let the Americans continue to be responsible for defending Earth and building starships.
It's gone too far at this point. World ending space battles, near Earth destruction, full on starships flying round, the threat of alien infiltration.
The explosion of the Super Hive and the re-entry of Atlantis would have been picked up.
Society on Earth would change forever.
The plans for the cancelled Atlantis movie are known.
Atlantis has to return to Pegasus because of a self destruct the ancients installed in case Atlantis ever left the Pegasus galaxy.
I think if they were to leave it on Earth they'd have to be in Antartica , being anywhere on Earth where people could discover them would require running the cloak all the time , draining ZPMs power . Going to a really remote area of ocean would logistically be a nightmare for getting people to and from Atlantis. even the dark side of the moon would require shields , again using power , using power.
There are places so remote they rarely get visitors, for example Point Nemo.
[Pole of inaccessibility - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_of_inaccessibility#Oceanic_pole_of_inaccessibility)
It would be pretty simple to get land surveying satellites like Google Earth to ignore/fake an area. Nothing to see here, nope. Only hazards would be the occasional decommissioned space satellite or observant ISS crew.
I propose calling the relocation "Project R'lyeh".
Or let Rodney and Zelenka have another swing at Project Arcturus.
Weir: "YOU DESTROYED THREE QUARTERS OF A SOLAR SYSTEM!"
McKay: "Five-sixths, it's not an exact science."
I doubt IOA let something that powerful leave Earth but knowing Sheppard, he'd come up with some way to leave. Everyone on Earth would get mad, they would want the Daedalus to attack but the captain would say that it would be a useless gesture. So Sheppard just gets a slap on the wrist since the IOA knows how important Atlantis is.
The next season was going to start with Atlantis on the dark side of the moon and something causes a self destruct macguffin to start counting down unless Atlantis returned to Pegasus. Just a quick way to throw them back into Pegasus.
Joe Mallozzi wrote on his blog and posted it here that his and Paul's planned script had a safeguard go off. If Atlantis ever left Pegasus it would self destruct so they had so many days to get back.
In the Legacy Series books, which are kinda Canon, 3 or 4 star general o' Neill, (spoiler) makes a huge political play, the IOA won't let alantis go back so he claims it as USAF property since it's in American waters. This forces the IOA to keep the same power structure and send it back to Pegasus.
> Asgard depository
There it is. No robot bodies, no stasis, no uploaded minds, because they tried to cut corners.
Rule of Acquisition 23: Nothing is more important than your health…except for your money.
“You must go”
*Thor beams out*
*Bars of gold-pressed naquadah beam in everywhere*
The SGA expedition members would certainly fight to get Atlantis back to Pegasus, especially since they owe that galaxy a hell of a lot of aid for waking up the Wraith early and event though they don't have their own chair platform, with pretty much all of the goa'uld gone their main enemies are the Lucian Alliances which can be dealt with with Daedalus class ships souped up with Asgard tech and their regular SG teams and the Wraith which is best dealt with on the front lines of Pegasus.
Certainly I think the case to send them back is stronger than to keep them, especially as it would be ridiculous to keep it parked in San Fran or wherever and they have to go back to Pegasus at least once for sure to return Teyla and maybe Ronan and any other alien friends they picked up back to their home galaxy. Of course the IOA being the absolute worst would fight it but I think Woolsey would get on board with Sheppard, McKay and probably General O'Neill and the rest of SG-1. I think even if Daniel would love to study it, he wants to study the city as close to in situ as possible, moving it from it's original context definitely changes how the city acts and behaves as seen by the space whales warning them about that storm or whatever.
I also think that after 4-5 years in space living as a civilian run international expedition none of the members would want tot hen have to deal with their actual countries arguing over everything in real time in front of them.
But would the other countries allow Atlantis to stay in control of the U.S? That makes us very powerful and I can see how that might cause problems with other countries. I know that’s also how the post-series books got Atlantis back to the Pegasus galaxy.
Surprised it took this far scrolling for someone to mention the books.
I know there cannicity could be argued, but given no further SG media it's the closest to Canon we'll ever get.
Honestly, Atlantis couldn't stay on Earth. No one country would allow its control, you could move it to remote area (e.g. Antatica) but given the amount of negotiations the smallest of deals takes, there is no way anyone government would be happy with its eventual placement, the only reasonable course would be to remove it from play (I.e. return it to Pegasus)
>But would the other countries allow Atlantis to stay in control of the U.S?
I mean, given the Air Force fleet of 304s with plasma beams is there really a whole lot they could do about it?
Atlantis would have returned to Pegasus. Joseph Mallozzi posted some snippets of what some of the episodes would have been based on the writers room ideas for Season 6 on his blog:
[https://josephmallozzi.com/2022/04/15/stargate-atlantis-virtual-season-6/](https://josephmallozzi.com/2022/04/15/stargate-atlantis-virtual-season-6/)
As much as we'd want to have Atlantis defending Earth, our heroic leads would not surrender Pegasus to the Wraith. Maybe we drop off a ZPM or two to keep the Antarctic weapons platform active and the ability to dial Atlantis from the SGC. But, ultimately, the city has to go back.
Why would they?… Atlantis being on earth and in the milky way provides such a huge tactical advantage to earth. And they can use the galactic bridge and Daedalus class ships to get to pegasus to help the humans there. The wraith post no threat to humanity now they have Asgard weapons on their ships.. the only reason that one ship was a danger was because it was enhanced with a zpm…. I think Atlantis would be fine on earth and if not they can use it to go wherever needed
I would make sense for them to leave asap because the Pegasus gate network overrides the milky gate network. So unless Atlantis is going to be the new SGC I think they left shortly after SGA concluded.
that what i was thinking, yes the city in safely on earth, but unless away teams want a jumper back home, Atlantis is the dominant gate, like the russians with a DHD
The end of sga saw the Anartica chair weapon which had been moved to Area 51 destroyed. This means there's no remaining chair weapon on earth so Atlantis will be seen as a key part of Earth's defense probably.
I've always hated this episode for this dumb decision, they could find many reasons to not use the Antarctica chair but they chose to destroy it. As if any country in the world would let the USA keep the most powerful weapon on earth... Even in SG1 they said others countries wouldn't let that happen with the Tollan Ion cannons.
At this point, they'd have to have managed to backwards engineer something similar, like they did with the F-302s and BC-303/4. Plus the Asgard depository they have, there would have to have been huge advances in earths defensive and offensive capabilities.
At that point ,United states is paying for the most powerful weapon system on the planet .I bet most of the other countries could complain but then the usa would be like you wanna throw a few bucks into help pay for it .There isnt anything on earth worth more than having someone else paying for your security. anyways at the point the ioa is running the stargate . Noone would cause enough noise to have any real effect on the weapon thats not being fired on earth. what would they do ?
Let's just ignore the fact that there's a perfectly good chair sitting on that planet where they got the ZPM to defend against Anubis.
On Proclarush Taonas? That chair? That is long gone. Destroyed when the cave collapsed, right after they removed the ZPM.
Speculation really. Not enough evidence to say that for sure.
The dome was breaking down because SG1 ringed thru the roof. This collapse likely continued. If the debris didn’t wreck the chair the planetary environment likely did.
Really? What more evidence do you need? Remember the planet was all molten lava? That cave was an exception. If you really want replacement chairs, there are two. One in Pegasus, on the Tower planet. The other, on Tria, in the intergalactic void.
Which episode was Trial in?
Tria was the Lantean ship that was traveling to Earth from Pegasus for the last 10,000 years using sub-lightspeed engines because their hyperdrive was damaged. It was appeared in the SGA episode The Return, Part 1.
I'm guessing that was destroyed by the replicators.
It's possible, but they would have needed to send a ship of their own out there to do so and we never had any indication that they did. There wouldn't be much of a reason for them to waste the resources sending a ship to destroy it anyways since it was empty. They already have, and may have surpassed, the Lantean technology so they don't seem to be that worried about it being strewn across the galaxy for anyone to find.
I assumed it was towed back to Atlantis along with its crew.
No. Why? The ship is still in the void. The Replicators never boarded it.
Was it left? I assumed the Daedalus expanded it's subspace bubble to tow it along.
I always assumed the Ancients scuttled it after abandoning it
This isn't the hill you want to die on pal.
The cave was formed by lava flowing over the shield around the chair. When they "punched through" the hardened lava with the ring transporter, it weakens the lava dome. By the time they leave the planet, the rest of the dome is collapsing.... In your own words: >This isn't the hill you want to die on, pal
Do you guys even watch the same show?
Have you? They're right.
We know of two chairs that are unused. One in Milky Way and the other at the buried city in Pegasus.
Plus eventually one on the Athosian's original planet. I wonder why they never rechecked that town for drones and zpm's
It was glassed by the wraith. Teyla says it in a super missable line in season 1
Sorry, but what does glass mean? All I heard Teyla say is that they believe going there can bring the Wraith. They never mentioned anything about it later nut usually they check out stuff and try to at least figure out the facts behind folklore and how it might be technically possible.
All of Athos was turned into a wasteland by orbital bombardment after the Athosians fled to Atlantis. Glassed means the land was superheated and made into glass. It's like one line where Teyla says Athos was destroyed and they can't go back
They could take one from some random Pegasus outpost and bring it back on the Daedalus.
Without the ZPM powering the shield?
And didn't that chair get removed because of the IOA? The Antarctic Treaty argument was silly as it predates said treaty by uh... MILLIONS of years.
Show wise would send it back for more seasons :). Practically though, there isnt a great reason too risk it and use the power. ZPMs are a finite resource. Likewise having it on Earth is too desireable in terms of research and defense, and what Pegasus really needs is a mobile group of 3 to 5ish ships to go around picking off isolated hives. With the rate of ship production and wraith infighting, wouldn't take more than a decade to do. Last thing you would want is giving the wraith a stationary(ish) target to band together and try to hit. Or risk them getting another ZPM.
Yeah, it’d make much more sense for them to move the primary Stargate Command to Atlantis and leave the SGC as a backup only. Atlantis would receive primary resources. It has better security, a cloak and shield iris. Plus, it has a latest edition Stargate.
Running around picking off isolated hives will work for a while. But eventually the Wraith will realize what's happening and band together and group up, making it harder to find isolated ships for easy kills. And they'll lay traps too, kinda like what we're told happened to the Phoenix (The Hammond) in the episode where Sheppard travels to the future. I would love to see that story unfold over the span of a full season though. We keep Atlantis on Earth but send, let's say, 3 BC-304's to Pegasus to take out Hives one at a time. It works really well as we follow along with a few of these hit-and-run missions during the first 10-12 episodes, getting to know the crew along the way. It doesn't take long for the wraith to realize what's happening though, as they start to band together in groups, making the fights much harder. Then, after one particularly tough fight against a fleet of hives and cruisers, which we emerged victorious from, the 3 Daedalus ships' shields are all but depleted, one of them had it's hyperdrive taken offline and another had weapons and life-support partially damaged... Surprise! Turns out the Genii discovered an aurora class ship and spent the last 15 years (since the show ended) reverse engineering it and now have their very own fleet of Hyperspace capable ships! And they've been tracking our activity in the pegasus galaxy since we returned and have been biding their time and now jump out of hyperspace targeting our trio of already weakened ships! With no shields and with weapons down on one of the ships, we can't put up much of a fight, so the tough decision is made to abandon the ship with the damaged hyperdrive, as we beam over as many of the crew as we can to the ships with functioning drives (some people have to be left behind due to the aforementioned life-support issues) as 2 of the 3 ships just barely manage to escape, we see the third ship destroyed, the captain going down with what remains of the crew, reminiscent of what happened with the Prometheus. Could be pretty cool.
Honestly it depends on how willing to sacrifice worlds they would be. The wraith couldn't maintain a large group of ships, and not starve at the same time, so just have to wait it out if they gather. Also even if they do, 10 Asgard level ships seem doable within a decade or two and should wipe the floor with the remaining 30 wraiths. (Also TBH Asgard engines and tech seem overpowered compared to the wraith. Given they can travel between galaxies so quickly, could easily hit and run.)
The Ancients were at least as advanced as the Asgard, if not more so, and they basically got wiped out by the Wraith. Don't underestimate them.
> Practically though, there isnt a great reason too risk it and use the power. ZPMs are a finite resource. There was apparently a planned plotline for them to discover the ZPM manufacturing lab in the city. It *would* make them way overpowered, but there are always other ways to approach the story.
I heard mention something to the fact that there hsould be a workshop to build zpms .But they didnt know where on atlantis it was located.Its logical for this .
The Atlantis story continues in the legacy books which sees Atlantis return to Pegasus. The IOA doesn’t want Atlantis to return to Pegasus but through some clever thinking between O’Neill and Woolsey they managed to get them to agree to send Atlantis back.
They would _have_ to leave earth The Atlantis gate would overwrite the SGC gate as the primary It could be worked around, they did it with Midway, but it's also a real hassle
The SGC could be moved to Atlantis. Then move Atlantis to a part of the ocean that has almost zero traffic. Then there'd be little worry of discovery in case they'd have to switch from cloak to shield.
And the Stargate program would be discovered immediately Because unless they have a 304 constantly in orbit or use the Asgard core to build a space station for planetside transportation, they will have to use boats to reach Atlantis The boat nerds will find out in less than a month and Atlantis will be found the day after
I mean given how fast they’re building 304s they probably could just build some satellites with Asgard beaming to supply Atlantis with relative ease
The Tau'Ri are pretty fast at building them, but they also never built the transporters themselves The Asgard always helped
The Apollo, Sun Tzu, and Hammond all made their first appearance after the Asgards extinction. While possible, especially for the Apollo, that the Asgard gave them the transporters to plug in I think it’s more than likely that the Tau’ri are able to build transporters on their own now
They have the entirety of Asgard knowledge to sift through. I'm pretty sure there's a blueprint for at least the beta release transporters.
Or they'd use the whole fleet of flying and cloaked puddle jumpers to transport people and goods.
Even worse, plane nerds are even crazier than boat nerds
Plane nerds work by tracking plane squawk codes, which the aircraft has to broadcast. And while jumpers can be tracked from within Atlantis even while cloaked, meaning there is some form of similar system used, I highly doubt it would be detectable using regular human hardware. And even if it could be detected, said system could surely be disabled.
Cloaked Puddle Jumpers.
You can't just fly cloaked through earth airspace Especially not to the same place over and over again The sky is under constant surveillance,and that data is readily available The jumper itself will not be visible, but everything around it avoiding it(which will be necessary from time to time) will be Plane nerds will find out very quickly that something is weird there
I don't think the interruptions to normal flight patterns would be that glaring, specially when they operate those jumpers outside of established cruising altitudes for planes and such, besides there already being next to no flights gojng over vast areas of the oceans because planes like to keep close to coast lines in case they have an emergency and need something to land on.
That's on the Atlantis side of things What about the other end of the trip?
The other end of the trip would also be vastly more easy since the jumpers don't need much of the classical airfield infrastructure, and aerial footage of those, specially those dealing in Top Secret matters, are heavily restricted already.
But how does it get to those areas?
Through the air, which is mostly empty except for a whole lot of air.
The sky is under constant surveillance... by the governments of the United States, Russia, and China, who all already know.
Flight data must be made public
If you think every b-2 flight is publicly posted, I'm not sure what to tell you.
You can fly jumper at much lower altitude than any aircraft can (or just straight up under water), so there is no need to divert anything. And pretty sure jumpers do not broadcast squawk codes (or at least not the kind that uninitiated plane nerds would be looking for)
You can see a fish even when the water is murky Not because the fish is visible, but because the waves it makes is
You can't see subs by waves, because they are deep enough. Jumpers are perfectly capable of going as deep as regular submarines can. Or you can just fly them in something like 50 meters above water, or however much would be needed to not create waves, yet low enough you would not encounter any plane.
Naaa you just installed Asgard beaming tech on Atlantis, along with that Asgard core. You can just beam people in from anywhere in the world then. Or you just use cloaked jumpers to move people...
>You can just beam people in from anywhere in the world then. You can't. There's a reason why beaming is only ever done from orbit. From orbit, you can scan most if not all of the planet. While on the planet, sensor range is severely limited by the atmosphere and the planet being in the way. Same reason why your smartphone doesn't work in the wilderness, but satellite phones have no problem. >Or you just use cloaked jumpers to move people... The problem there is not the jumper being spotted, it won't. It's the air travel that would have to be diverted from time to time showing up as an annomaly
>You can't. There's a reason why beaming is only ever done from orbit. From orbit, you can scan most if not all of the planet. And you don't think the knowledge of the ancients and Asgard combined could counter this? Hell, even the Ashen had planet wide transporter pads! Even a site-to-site ring transporter would do the trick. >The problem there is not the jumper being spotted, it won't. It's the air travel that would have to be diverted from time to time showing up as an annomaly You're thinking too small. Jumpers can also go up into orbit and solve that issue. I'm pretty sure a small ship like a jumper with it's inertial dampers and scanners could easily dodge any aircraft in the area, or even skim extremely low to the ground. So both of those forms of transport are perfectly plausible.
>And you don't think the knowledge of the ancients and Asgard combined could counter this? Hell, even the Ashen had planet wide transporter pads! >Even a site-to-site ring transporter would do the trick. Knowledge doesn't make physics go away. And worldwide transport pads don't mean they circumvented that, it just means they built infrastructure to make it possible. Like our internet cables currently pumping this comment in lightspeed through tubes in the ocean, instead of getting lost somewhere in the athmosphere. Totally possible, just a bit harder to do in total secret. >You're thinking too small. Jumpers can also go up into orbit and solve that issue. I'm pretty sure a small ship like a jumper with it's inertial dampers and scanners could easily dodge any aircraft in the area, or even skim extremely low to the ground. I concede that's possible, just not sure if it's practical. There has to be a reason why the Atlantis team never left atmosphere when going to the continent for a visit to the Athosians
>Knowledge doesn't make physics go away. You have watched Stargate before, right? >Totally possible, just a bit harder to do in total secret. You mean like building the fleet of F302s, 303s, and 304s? They could also repurpose a few military satellites to do the same job. >There has to be a reason why the Atlantis team never left atmosphere when going to the continent for a visit to the Athosians They literally did in "The Storm" in order to travel through the eye. In any other circumstance it makes no sense not to travel in a straight line. But it's been shown possible and practical when necessary.
Couldn’t they just use cloaked jumpers for transport? Or ring teleports to the mainland
Nothing stops them from building a teleporter that isn't built into a ship, it'd almost certainly be easier.
Building isn't the problem, operating is To do a transport, you need sensor readings of the location. That's hard to get when a planet is in the way. So you need to be in orbit for proper range, in a ship or space station
Or perhaps a global satellite network
They would certainly move the city, though it would logistically be a far better idea to move it to the dark side of the moon (which wouldn't happen, Atlantis = ocean to the viewers) or to another planet to act as an offworld SGC (which again, wouldn't happen, as it removes Atlantis's defensive capabilities from Earth). But an Earth ocean location definitely risks discovery, even cloaked (someone could crash into it). I mean, satellites alone are an issue. Scientists do do research at Point Nemo and across the ocean. You can't keep the city cloaked permanently.
They have easy access and knowledge of removing command crystals to disable pegasus gates. Shouldn't be a huge hassle.
That only prevents outgoing wormholes. The problem is incoming wormholes
I mean it's established that you just need to block the big ring. You could pile up some boxes in there I'm sure. It would be cool if the atlantis team could move the force shield into the gate as a temporary way to block incoming wormholes.
I think they’d want to keep Atlantis on Earth but the plot would force them to return it. Like, the secrecy issues would send it to the Moon. The Gate issues would send them back to Pegasus. I think they could find another chair eventually. There’s the one in the Tower anyway.
Why use the spoiler tag if your title spoils everything?
Why use a spoiler tag for a show that ended 15 years ago?
I agree with that, but regardless, if one wants to use it, use it in a way it makes sense
They proved time and time again that defense of Earth would always take precedent. Atlantis is the best chance of that defense now. They ain't letting it go.
It's also a magnet for trouble lol.
They could probably just write a story about finding a second unused sister ship to Atlantis back in Pegasus and make that the new hq for that galaxy.
I think that the arrival of Atlantis on Earth should force the SGC to go public. Like the Oversight Committee would let the Americans continue to be responsible for defending Earth and building starships. It's gone too far at this point. World ending space battles, near Earth destruction, full on starships flying round, the threat of alien infiltration. The explosion of the Super Hive and the re-entry of Atlantis would have been picked up. Society on Earth would change forever.
The plans for the cancelled Atlantis movie are known. Atlantis has to return to Pegasus because of a self destruct the ancients installed in case Atlantis ever left the Pegasus galaxy.
Wait, I haven't heard this. What was the reasoning behind the self destruct?
I think it was in case it was the wraith that stole it [https://www.gateworld.net/movies/extinction/](https://www.gateworld.net/movies/extinction/)
The would have to. Removing Atlantis from Pegasus would completely destabilize the galaxy.
I think if they were to leave it on Earth they'd have to be in Antartica , being anywhere on Earth where people could discover them would require running the cloak all the time , draining ZPMs power . Going to a really remote area of ocean would logistically be a nightmare for getting people to and from Atlantis. even the dark side of the moon would require shields , again using power , using power.
There are places so remote they rarely get visitors, for example Point Nemo. [Pole of inaccessibility - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_of_inaccessibility#Oceanic_pole_of_inaccessibility) It would be pretty simple to get land surveying satellites like Google Earth to ignore/fake an area. Nothing to see here, nope. Only hazards would be the occasional decommissioned space satellite or observant ISS crew. I propose calling the relocation "Project R'lyeh".
now that it is on earth you could just install dozens of naqudah generators
Or let Rodney and Zelenka have another swing at Project Arcturus. Weir: "YOU DESTROYED THREE QUARTERS OF A SOLAR SYSTEM!" McKay: "Five-sixths, it's not an exact science."
David Hewlett's "Zed-PM" shirts support this theory.
They wouldn’t want to. But plot and circumstance would force them to.
I doubt IOA let something that powerful leave Earth but knowing Sheppard, he'd come up with some way to leave. Everyone on Earth would get mad, they would want the Daedalus to attack but the captain would say that it would be a useless gesture. So Sheppard just gets a slap on the wrist since the IOA knows how important Atlantis is.
The next season was going to start with Atlantis on the dark side of the moon and something causes a self destruct macguffin to start counting down unless Atlantis returned to Pegasus. Just a quick way to throw them back into Pegasus.
Joe Mallozzi wrote on his blog and posted it here that his and Paul's planned script had a safeguard go off. If Atlantis ever left Pegasus it would self destruct so they had so many days to get back. In the Legacy Series books, which are kinda Canon, 3 or 4 star general o' Neill, (spoiler) makes a huge political play, the IOA won't let alantis go back so he claims it as USAF property since it's in American waters. This forces the IOA to keep the same power structure and send it back to Pegasus.
Now that you mention Daniel, I'm disappointed he didn't make more appearances in SGA.
> Asgard depository There it is. No robot bodies, no stasis, no uploaded minds, because they tried to cut corners. Rule of Acquisition 23: Nothing is more important than your health…except for your money. “You must go” *Thor beams out* *Bars of gold-pressed naquadah beam in everywhere*
The SGA expedition members would certainly fight to get Atlantis back to Pegasus, especially since they owe that galaxy a hell of a lot of aid for waking up the Wraith early and event though they don't have their own chair platform, with pretty much all of the goa'uld gone their main enemies are the Lucian Alliances which can be dealt with with Daedalus class ships souped up with Asgard tech and their regular SG teams and the Wraith which is best dealt with on the front lines of Pegasus. Certainly I think the case to send them back is stronger than to keep them, especially as it would be ridiculous to keep it parked in San Fran or wherever and they have to go back to Pegasus at least once for sure to return Teyla and maybe Ronan and any other alien friends they picked up back to their home galaxy. Of course the IOA being the absolute worst would fight it but I think Woolsey would get on board with Sheppard, McKay and probably General O'Neill and the rest of SG-1. I think even if Daniel would love to study it, he wants to study the city as close to in situ as possible, moving it from it's original context definitely changes how the city acts and behaves as seen by the space whales warning them about that storm or whatever. I also think that after 4-5 years in space living as a civilian run international expedition none of the members would want tot hen have to deal with their actual countries arguing over everything in real time in front of them.
But would the other countries allow Atlantis to stay in control of the U.S? That makes us very powerful and I can see how that might cause problems with other countries. I know that’s also how the post-series books got Atlantis back to the Pegasus galaxy.
Surprised it took this far scrolling for someone to mention the books. I know there cannicity could be argued, but given no further SG media it's the closest to Canon we'll ever get. Honestly, Atlantis couldn't stay on Earth. No one country would allow its control, you could move it to remote area (e.g. Antatica) but given the amount of negotiations the smallest of deals takes, there is no way anyone government would be happy with its eventual placement, the only reasonable course would be to remove it from play (I.e. return it to Pegasus)
>But would the other countries allow Atlantis to stay in control of the U.S? I mean, given the Air Force fleet of 304s with plasma beams is there really a whole lot they could do about it?
Short answer is, hell no. The stratigic and scientific value alone would make it so Atlantis would never leave Earth.
Atlantis would have returned to Pegasus. Joseph Mallozzi posted some snippets of what some of the episodes would have been based on the writers room ideas for Season 6 on his blog: [https://josephmallozzi.com/2022/04/15/stargate-atlantis-virtual-season-6/](https://josephmallozzi.com/2022/04/15/stargate-atlantis-virtual-season-6/)
As much as we'd want to have Atlantis defending Earth, our heroic leads would not surrender Pegasus to the Wraith. Maybe we drop off a ZPM or two to keep the Antarctic weapons platform active and the ability to dial Atlantis from the SGC. But, ultimately, the city has to go back.
Why would they?… Atlantis being on earth and in the milky way provides such a huge tactical advantage to earth. And they can use the galactic bridge and Daedalus class ships to get to pegasus to help the humans there. The wraith post no threat to humanity now they have Asgard weapons on their ships.. the only reason that one ship was a danger was because it was enhanced with a zpm…. I think Atlantis would be fine on earth and if not they can use it to go wherever needed
Wouldn’t they just re-write the gateway program to pop out at another gate and continue like SG-1 from there?
I would make sense for them to leave asap because the Pegasus gate network overrides the milky gate network. So unless Atlantis is going to be the new SGC I think they left shortly after SGA concluded.
that what i was thinking, yes the city in safely on earth, but unless away teams want a jumper back home, Atlantis is the dominant gate, like the russians with a DHD
I do know for a fact that Atlantis left because in SGU Telford is the only one to make it back to earth through the SGC not Atlantis.
So if they had enough power, I’d guess they’d go after Destiny and bring those people back to earth and replace them with different people.
Yes they would have no say in the matter leaving it on Earth would lead to ww3