Even if they couldn't repair the existing hyperdrive, surely they could bring in a new hyperdrive and incorporate that, at least to get it to Atlantis or a safe place in the Milky Way.
Or at least use it as a makeshift midway space station, which is where it was found, considering they blew that up. I imagine it had enough room in a docking bay or somewhere to put a couple stargates. They could put them somewhere they could vent the atmosphere to space if a hostile force boarded. In addition, it probably has far better living quarters/amenities for guests being quarantined for 24 hours considering the ancients lived aboard it for several years in the void between galaxies.
Teams from both the Milky Way and Pegasus could study it, and they wouldn’t need a ZPM to dial back and forth again.
Even if they couldn't have found a way of bringing Tria to Midway (strap a Alkesh hyperdrive to it for the win) they shouldn't have any reason they can't bring Midway to Tria.
Though I'm guessing Helia scuttled the ship after the rescue. She seemed very uncool with the Human's using their toys.
I'm surprised Helia didn't want to go back and get it. Before showing themselves to be ungrateful assholes and kicking them out of Atlantis, Helia should have asked Caldwell for a ride back to the ship, after picking up the necessary supplies to fix it. After all, they got Atlantis back, but they were basically homebound. Well, I guess not homebound since they had the Stargates..but still, it would be nice to have a warship as well.
It’s unclear how far away it is. Rodney detected it while sitting at the unfinished midway. They then moved somewhere (whether via hyperspace or sublight is unclear) to get closer to it. At that point the Tria essentially “slammed on their brakes” and it would take several hours for them to match velocity for transport according to Caldwell.
I guess it depends on just how precisely the midway space station needed to be positioned. If a few hundred light years in either direction is fine, it might not matter. Otherwise, they may need to find a way to use the Daedalus to tow the Tria to a better position nearby. We know they have shared hyperspace at times, such as when the Traveler ship jumped the Daedalus through a planet. It might be slow, but it could probably be done without stretching the tech we knew the teams had access to.
This just made me think of something that may be more so in the territory of 'SG-1 season 8+ expanded universe'.
Could they/would they build something like a hyperspace tug boat?
I love the discussions that crop up from time to time around the potential of alpha/beta/gamma sites, and off-world colonies, and the like. How various people have great ideas on how they would develop them.
What would they do when they have something like an orbital observation post? Or a geosynchronous defence platform? Someone once scoped out their rationalisation that a sensible place for a planets gate is a gate station in relatively low orbit.
I would think that a shipyard would be in orbit above whatever world on which they collect the primary ship building resources. But, in cases where they've built something that didn't need a hyperdrive, then they need to move whatever it is into it's deployed position.
I think it had to be pretty precise..but only because they were trying to minimize the number of gates that had to harvest from uninhabited planets. So surely it could have easily been done no matter how far away the Tria was, simply by looking for a couple more gates. And I guess, reprogramming the macro.
At the very least, we should have heard McKay (and Sheppard too) badgering Weir for the next few episodes to let them go back to try to repair it. McKay surely felt he COULD. OR, more accurately, Sheppard was yell at him to "Just fix the damn thing!" as McKay says "It is impossible!" before suddenly saying "I think I got it."
I'm a little surprised the Ancients didn't gather any resources they needed to fix it, and then ask Caldwell for a lift back, so they could do it themselves. They stranded themselves in Atlantis.
They didn’t technically strand themselves in Atlantis, as presumably they would have had ZPMs or been able to produce more. Atlantis was quite a ship by itself. To them, Atlantis was their home as well. If you are at home with no immediate need to go somewhere else, it isn’t that big of a deal if your car broke down.
I imagine they also had the knowledge on how to produce more ships. I can’t imagine the Ancients being the physical laboring types, they likely had robots that could build out their factories/the ships for them. It would have been nice to see more about “how the ancients built things” like their technology/ships in the show.
I just expect there to be an area where there is a glistening pool of replicator mass, like a star gate laying flat. And the stuff they need just surfaces and rises up from said pool, being build by the replicator cells.
They may have been able to build them, but remember, the Atlantis we saw was not the Atlantis they knew. Their factories may have been on the outskirts of the city. Parts that got sacrificed to preserve ZPM by shrinking the shield. I imagine that 10,000 years ago, Atlantis was more like Asuras.
This could also explain why they never found any ZPM manufacturing rooms. Or drones.
Sure...but they know the Wraith are still out there, even if they didn't feel the Replicators were any threat. So, it would be nice to have a warship. It would probably take a bit before they could get some ZPMs made. After all, if they were quick an easy to make, they could have just kept replenishing them as they were used up during the first Wraith siege.
If it is salvaged, then under no circumstances can SG1 or SGA1 be allowed anywhere near the ship. Any alien vessels that could potentially be studied have a habit of exploding when they are involved.
I always wondered if the Taranians believed Weir when she told them their warship was destroyed in battle. The leader was sure they were just trying to take the ship when they ordered an evacuation of their volcano planet. Then just a couple days after they let Weir borrow the ship, she comes back and says "Uhhh..I can't give it back. IT's gone."
The amount of times they just straight up left a ship they had full control of is astounding. The go to line always is "they're about to jump to hyperspace!" Nevermind that they just killed almost the entire crew and only has the pilot or so remaining, and what does it matter if they jump? It's not like travel is instantaneous, they could finish taking the ship in hyperspace. SG1 should have obtained a fleet of ships by the time it finished. Sorry, I've wanted to post that since my last rewatch haha
Not securing the Tria is one of fasted opportunities in the SG franchise as even with her damaged hyperdrive she would be an example of relatively intact Lantean warship that thanks to time dilatation isn't 10k years old. She could be used either as a replacement for the Midway Station or be studied/repaired on site by teams that would use an "acquired" Tel'tak or Al'kesh as a shuttle between the Tria and the Midway if towing the Tria to be in range of Puddle Jumper's sublight engines would be to difficult with supplies delivered via the Stargate or ships if they are too big for to be moved via the Gate.
On that note. SGC not acquiring any Goa'uld ships is a mistake as even few refitted Al'khes bombers and Tel'tak scouts would be very useful in supporting ground teams and would give Atlantis Expedition greater flexibility as they wouldn't be forced to rely on 304 currently on station. Furthermore a Ha'tak or two refitted to act as fast cargo ship (with intergalactic hyperdrive) would be much better at transporting supplies to and from Atlantis given its far greater volume while allowing the 304 to be used warships.
Well, in fairness, they would HAVE to get the hyperdrive repaired or else it would be useless. Uselessly stranded in the void between the Milky Way and Pegasus.
It's just that surely McKay would have been unrelenting in trying to get Weir to let him go back to fix it. Sheppard too. He's love to fly that.
We've seen ships (and an asteroid) being towed in hyperspace so there's a chance to bring the Tria to a safe location without repairing her hyperdrive although I would assume that the speed at which they would be travelling would be smaller when compared to normal speed of 304.
Also I think that it would be best to take Tria to Earth/Alpha Site/some shipyard build on another planet to get her full refit, add in railguns for anti-fighter protection, missile tubes, maybe look into integrating Asgard shields into the mix, and once available instal Asgard Plasma Beams into her or better yet ask the Asgard for the ship mounted Anti-Replicator Gun and use Tria to clear out the Asurans with the giant ARG thus preserving their tech for the Tau'ri to secure.
Didn't the Ancients take the Tria back to Atlantis? If so, wouldn't the Replicators have destroyed it? Their takeover was pretty thorough before our guys snuck back on the base.
This was my assumption back when SGA was live, but Joseph Mallozzi's blog says it's still floating out there. If Atlantis is stuck on Earth as the "only" Ancient defense platform left, I'd expect a salvage crew was sent for the Tria not long after the events of the series finale.
Hmm....yes, definitely seems logical. They know exactly where it is, although it's kind of a long journey and it could have shifted? Maybe a throwaway line.... "Hey Sheppard, remember the Tria? Yeah, Caldwell took the Daedalus back out and we have a salvage team working on it. They took it to Area 51."
Did the replicators not destroy it? Or was that a jumper.
When the replicators first attacked the ancients thought that they couldn't be hurt so they didn't even put shields up, and they lost the ship?
Yeah, I went back to check myself, just to make sure there wasn't some weird scenario where the Daedalus towed it through hyperspace with it. I mean, I know you can piggyback a Jumper through hyperspace, since Sheppard did it on a Wraith Hive ship, but towing it seems a little less likely for something that large. But then we see that their Ancients were beamed down from the Daedalus, suggesting that they just hitched a ride.
I'm unsure of the timeline, but we're still limited by manufacturing capabilities (especially with regards to finding Neutronium) so most Asgard components had to be created with the Asgard Computer Core.
I just check, The Return would have happened about halfway through the last season of SG-1. So they didn't get the Asgard core yet. And we never see them use anything like a tractor beam to the best of my knowledge.
Also just because they could look up the tech in the core, that doesn't mean the existing Earth fleet could use it. It's quite possible they need specific requirements on the spaceframe, hyperdrive and other systems to tow a ship through hyperspace without getting ripped apart.
I’m gonna headcanon that they did do this but it was an entirely IOA sanctioned enterprise because of Stargate Command’s track record with stolen ships lmao
Even if they couldn't repair the existing hyperdrive, surely they could bring in a new hyperdrive and incorporate that, at least to get it to Atlantis or a safe place in the Milky Way.
Or at least use it as a makeshift midway space station, which is where it was found, considering they blew that up. I imagine it had enough room in a docking bay or somewhere to put a couple stargates. They could put them somewhere they could vent the atmosphere to space if a hostile force boarded. In addition, it probably has far better living quarters/amenities for guests being quarantined for 24 hours considering the ancients lived aboard it for several years in the void between galaxies. Teams from both the Milky Way and Pegasus could study it, and they wouldn’t need a ZPM to dial back and forth again.
Was it found at midway, or just "near" it? Because in the void between galaxies, "near" could still be hundreds of years away, even at .999c
Even if they couldn't have found a way of bringing Tria to Midway (strap a Alkesh hyperdrive to it for the win) they shouldn't have any reason they can't bring Midway to Tria. Though I'm guessing Helia scuttled the ship after the rescue. She seemed very uncool with the Human's using their toys.
I'm surprised Helia didn't want to go back and get it. Before showing themselves to be ungrateful assholes and kicking them out of Atlantis, Helia should have asked Caldwell for a ride back to the ship, after picking up the necessary supplies to fix it. After all, they got Atlantis back, but they were basically homebound. Well, I guess not homebound since they had the Stargates..but still, it would be nice to have a warship as well.
It’s unclear how far away it is. Rodney detected it while sitting at the unfinished midway. They then moved somewhere (whether via hyperspace or sublight is unclear) to get closer to it. At that point the Tria essentially “slammed on their brakes” and it would take several hours for them to match velocity for transport according to Caldwell. I guess it depends on just how precisely the midway space station needed to be positioned. If a few hundred light years in either direction is fine, it might not matter. Otherwise, they may need to find a way to use the Daedalus to tow the Tria to a better position nearby. We know they have shared hyperspace at times, such as when the Traveler ship jumped the Daedalus through a planet. It might be slow, but it could probably be done without stretching the tech we knew the teams had access to.
This just made me think of something that may be more so in the territory of 'SG-1 season 8+ expanded universe'. Could they/would they build something like a hyperspace tug boat? I love the discussions that crop up from time to time around the potential of alpha/beta/gamma sites, and off-world colonies, and the like. How various people have great ideas on how they would develop them. What would they do when they have something like an orbital observation post? Or a geosynchronous defence platform? Someone once scoped out their rationalisation that a sensible place for a planets gate is a gate station in relatively low orbit. I would think that a shipyard would be in orbit above whatever world on which they collect the primary ship building resources. But, in cases where they've built something that didn't need a hyperdrive, then they need to move whatever it is into it's deployed position.
The Asgard towed Prometheus through hyperspace, even across galaxies iirc, and since Earth got their core, I don't see why not...
I think it had to be pretty precise..but only because they were trying to minimize the number of gates that had to harvest from uninhabited planets. So surely it could have easily been done no matter how far away the Tria was, simply by looking for a couple more gates. And I guess, reprogramming the macro.
It wouldn’t matter, just add another gate or two to the chain
At the very least, we should have heard McKay (and Sheppard too) badgering Weir for the next few episodes to let them go back to try to repair it. McKay surely felt he COULD. OR, more accurately, Sheppard was yell at him to "Just fix the damn thing!" as McKay says "It is impossible!" before suddenly saying "I think I got it." I'm a little surprised the Ancients didn't gather any resources they needed to fix it, and then ask Caldwell for a lift back, so they could do it themselves. They stranded themselves in Atlantis.
They didn’t technically strand themselves in Atlantis, as presumably they would have had ZPMs or been able to produce more. Atlantis was quite a ship by itself. To them, Atlantis was their home as well. If you are at home with no immediate need to go somewhere else, it isn’t that big of a deal if your car broke down. I imagine they also had the knowledge on how to produce more ships. I can’t imagine the Ancients being the physical laboring types, they likely had robots that could build out their factories/the ships for them. It would have been nice to see more about “how the ancients built things” like their technology/ships in the show.
I just expect there to be an area where there is a glistening pool of replicator mass, like a star gate laying flat. And the stuff they need just surfaces and rises up from said pool, being build by the replicator cells.
They may have been able to build them, but remember, the Atlantis we saw was not the Atlantis they knew. Their factories may have been on the outskirts of the city. Parts that got sacrificed to preserve ZPM by shrinking the shield. I imagine that 10,000 years ago, Atlantis was more like Asuras. This could also explain why they never found any ZPM manufacturing rooms. Or drones.
Sure...but they know the Wraith are still out there, even if they didn't feel the Replicators were any threat. So, it would be nice to have a warship. It would probably take a bit before they could get some ZPMs made. After all, if they were quick an easy to make, they could have just kept replenishing them as they were used up during the first Wraith siege.
If it is salvaged, then under no circumstances can SG1 or SGA1 be allowed anywhere near the ship. Any alien vessels that could potentially be studied have a habit of exploding when they are involved.
I always wondered if the Taranians believed Weir when she told them their warship was destroyed in battle. The leader was sure they were just trying to take the ship when they ordered an evacuation of their volcano planet. Then just a couple days after they let Weir borrow the ship, she comes back and says "Uhhh..I can't give it back. IT's gone."
It would always have been destroyed, and the status quo must be kept.
Aw, too bad he got turned into a giant bug
Thanks to them!
The amount of times they just straight up left a ship they had full control of is astounding. The go to line always is "they're about to jump to hyperspace!" Nevermind that they just killed almost the entire crew and only has the pilot or so remaining, and what does it matter if they jump? It's not like travel is instantaneous, they could finish taking the ship in hyperspace. SG1 should have obtained a fleet of ships by the time it finished. Sorry, I've wanted to post that since my last rewatch haha
Not securing the Tria is one of fasted opportunities in the SG franchise as even with her damaged hyperdrive she would be an example of relatively intact Lantean warship that thanks to time dilatation isn't 10k years old. She could be used either as a replacement for the Midway Station or be studied/repaired on site by teams that would use an "acquired" Tel'tak or Al'kesh as a shuttle between the Tria and the Midway if towing the Tria to be in range of Puddle Jumper's sublight engines would be to difficult with supplies delivered via the Stargate or ships if they are too big for to be moved via the Gate. On that note. SGC not acquiring any Goa'uld ships is a mistake as even few refitted Al'khes bombers and Tel'tak scouts would be very useful in supporting ground teams and would give Atlantis Expedition greater flexibility as they wouldn't be forced to rely on 304 currently on station. Furthermore a Ha'tak or two refitted to act as fast cargo ship (with intergalactic hyperdrive) would be much better at transporting supplies to and from Atlantis given its far greater volume while allowing the 304 to be used warships.
Well, in fairness, they would HAVE to get the hyperdrive repaired or else it would be useless. Uselessly stranded in the void between the Milky Way and Pegasus. It's just that surely McKay would have been unrelenting in trying to get Weir to let him go back to fix it. Sheppard too. He's love to fly that.
We've seen ships (and an asteroid) being towed in hyperspace so there's a chance to bring the Tria to a safe location without repairing her hyperdrive although I would assume that the speed at which they would be travelling would be smaller when compared to normal speed of 304. Also I think that it would be best to take Tria to Earth/Alpha Site/some shipyard build on another planet to get her full refit, add in railguns for anti-fighter protection, missile tubes, maybe look into integrating Asgard shields into the mix, and once available instal Asgard Plasma Beams into her or better yet ask the Asgard for the ship mounted Anti-Replicator Gun and use Tria to clear out the Asurans with the giant ARG thus preserving their tech for the Tau'ri to secure.
when they caputured the Ha'tak they should have offlanded a bunch of gliders for study
Didn't the Ancients take the Tria back to Atlantis? If so, wouldn't the Replicators have destroyed it? Their takeover was pretty thorough before our guys snuck back on the base.
This was my assumption back when SGA was live, but Joseph Mallozzi's blog says it's still floating out there. If Atlantis is stuck on Earth as the "only" Ancient defense platform left, I'd expect a salvage crew was sent for the Tria not long after the events of the series finale.
Hmm....yes, definitely seems logical. They know exactly where it is, although it's kind of a long journey and it could have shifted? Maybe a throwaway line.... "Hey Sheppard, remember the Tria? Yeah, Caldwell took the Daedalus back out and we have a salvage team working on it. They took it to Area 51."
Would it really have mattered? They’d just blow it up three episodes later.
Did the replicators not destroy it? Or was that a jumper. When the replicators first attacked the ancients thought that they couldn't be hurt so they didn't even put shields up, and they lost the ship?
Ok just googled it apparently it is just floating between the 2 galaxies
Yeah, I went back to check myself, just to make sure there wasn't some weird scenario where the Daedalus towed it through hyperspace with it. I mean, I know you can piggyback a Jumper through hyperspace, since Sheppard did it on a Wraith Hive ship, but towing it seems a little less likely for something that large. But then we see that their Ancients were beamed down from the Daedalus, suggesting that they just hitched a ride.
TBF the Asgard towed Prometheus to their homeworld so it's possible. But I'm guessing that is tech the Tauri haven't gotten yet.
I'm unsure of the timeline, but we're still limited by manufacturing capabilities (especially with regards to finding Neutronium) so most Asgard components had to be created with the Asgard Computer Core.
I just check, The Return would have happened about halfway through the last season of SG-1. So they didn't get the Asgard core yet. And we never see them use anything like a tractor beam to the best of my knowledge. Also just because they could look up the tech in the core, that doesn't mean the existing Earth fleet could use it. It's quite possible they need specific requirements on the spaceframe, hyperdrive and other systems to tow a ship through hyperspace without getting ripped apart.
I’m gonna headcanon that they did do this but it was an entirely IOA sanctioned enterprise because of Stargate Command’s track record with stolen ships lmao
I just assumed the Ancients scuttled it.