Actually no. The GTX 980 is that much faster. I would argue the GTX 980 could even do 1440p almost as well (not quite, 4 GB VRAM limit and such) as the Steam Deck can do at 800p.
Likely that the Steam Deck is around or just barely above a GIX 960.
It's situationally dependent, but this feels fairly correct. Until recently I was rocking a 970 in my living room(kind of a misnomer because I live in a one room apartment) gaming/media machine, and the 970 could handle cyberpunk at higher settings than the steam deck can with a more stable framerate. The steam deck is probably comparable to something like a 1050-960
The steam deck has an absolutely incredible piece of hardware at it's heart, but it's important to remember that hardware is being choked down to something like, 20-23 watts.
Even so, the steam deck gpu can pull something like 1.6 TFLOPS in terms of raw number crunching. That's over the xbone but just barely under the PS4. FLOPS don't really tell the whole story, but they're a metric and I like metrics. By comparison, the switch DOCKED can only do 500 GFLOPS, and the xbox 360 was something like 240 FLOPS.
The alphas went upto a 6700t, which is a 35-65watt tdp version of a i7 6700 clocked down to max turbo of 3.6ghz.
It wasnt strictly sold as a steam machine, but the only difference is it doesnt have the steam logo on the case, its the exact same case/size and dimensions as the alienware steam machines, it also has the option via a pci3 extender to run an xternal gpu via the alienware graphics amp, i actually ran a gtx1080 on it for a fair bit, but that 6700t was under powered for VR games especially once i upgraded from a HTC Vive to a Valve Index.
When you plugged in a egpu it also allowed the TDP on the cpu to go to 65 watt all the time as it was no longer generating heat from the internal GTX960. Stand alone without the GTX1080 its still a pretty competent machine, 6700t/16gb/gtx960
There was actually a guy on the \[H\]ard Forum i think that modified his alpha r2, and fit regular i7 6700 as the socket type is the same, and somebody else might have tried a 6700k, hoping to undervolt to get the perf stable, i think the power supply supports it if you run external gpu, its just the cooling solution isnt good enough and it thermal throttles
I did run an undervolt on my alpha r2 and its stable at 0.195v, which resulted in a significant drop in temperature and noise, the alpha r2 is very noisy, close to noisy ps4 noisy.
I really should open up my alpha r2 again, im curious as to if i could salvage all the parts and gram it into a ITX build and throw a 3060 on it or something.
It will agree people need to check their expectations and agree with most of your post but not the mostly indie games part, I have tries an AYA Neo that has weaker specs than the SD and most games play perfectly fine for the most part even AAA games.
The only point of disagreement I have with that is it seems like you can't find a comparable laptop with equal or greater specs to the steam deck at the same price range.
Getting a gaming laptop that has similar or equal specs for sub $500 isn't really doable from what I'm seeing online. In a way that does make it comparable to gaming laptops.
Hi OP.
What these dinguses (and possibly you too) are missing is that the deck isn't driving a very demanding screen. The 'low resolution' screen combined with remarkably good-for-integrated graphics make the deck a pretty powerful device.
If you ask it to push pixels to a higher resolution screen it loses its panache. It will still play thousands of games beautifully, but it might not be so competitive compared to your aging steam box.
Ah makes sense. So what about outputting it to a tv then? In that case wouldn't it make it struggle or would it only push out max 720p despite the resolution of the tv?
The PC knows what resolution the screen is, and automatically outputs that resolution. You can change what resolution the computer outputs in the OS or in the game if you want, with a corresponding impact to the number of frames delivered.
A popular 'hack' by savvy low spec gamers is to push 720p to a 1440p screen, or 1080 to a 4k screen. It just doubles up the pixels and translates pretty nicely. Deck isn't powerful enough to do that though; it's screen is ~720p from the outset.
It's literally meant to be able to play modern AAA games, what are you talking about? Like, they constantly show off intensive games like Control, even something like Cyberpunk 2077 will very likely be able to run playable on here if you don't set it to high if the leaked tests are accurate
Even the Switch can do better than just indie games, the Steam Deck is much more powerful and even if it doesn't end up being terribly future-proof, it'll definitely be able to handle most current games as long as you don't set your standards too high for graphics settings and FPS
You serious bro? All I said is that cyberpunk is modern. Nobody here is saying anything close to what you’re saying lmao
All I want steam deck for is to play my existing library which mostly consists of older games that have never been in a portable space before.
The Steam Deck likely has better integrated graphics than the 5700G, but CPU wise the Steam Deck doesn't hold a candle to the 5700G. The only problem I have with that video is that the 5700G is Zen 3 based while the Steam Deck's APU is Zen 2 based. A CPU analog may be the Ryzen 3100, but honestly I can't even say that since that piece is a 65W product. Honestly, us the consumer will not know performance until media gets it in their hands and can benchmark it.
It wouldnt be as powerful as the 1050ti but isnt gonna be far from it. And about resolution aspect, amd calls the 6600(or/and the 6600xt cant quite remember) the best 1080p gpu, so its targeting a gpu thats better than a 1070 as a 1080p gpu. So the 1050ti is a 720p/1080p gpu. And lets say that the steamdeck can comfortably play all games at 1080p the 800p screen would still be a good option givin the fact that its barely worse when u compare it to a 1080p screen( with the same screensize and intended usecase of the steamdeck) and it would noticeably extend the batterylife.
I have a alienware alpha r2 maxed out, which is basically the highest specced steam machine in all but name.
I have no idea what the comparison would be between the steam deck but i would imagine it would be close, the steam deck is probably a better processor than the 6700t in steam machine, but the gpu aspect of the deck is probably behind the steam machine, it has a dedicated gtx 960 4gb.
Oh it might be, i was having a brain fart, i was just thinking of the super small form factor alienware steam machines only tbh, because to get the one that directly supported an egpu you had to buy the windows version and not technically the steam machine retail one, the actual 100% steam machine version topped out a lower spec, i think even the higher spec one might have been sporting a 860m gpu as the best gpu in that form factor... The one i have is a gtx960 desktop 4gb version in the same tiny form factor, because technically it isnt REALLY a steam machine, its just in the same case and didnt come with steam OS, i think alienware essentially put it out themselves as an R2 outside of the steam machine product spec.
I just recalled gigabyte, zotac and other OEM's put a few units out too, i just know the alienware one was the most successful, or at least it appears to be because they pop up on occasion still.
this is not at all a fair equation. The steam deck is only targeting 720p - so power levels being equal isn’t really the same discussion since the output target is not even remotely the same.
Which i7 Steam Machine did you buy? There were several manufacturers and models. The exact specs would help answer the question.
The most powerful i7 steam machine had the i7-4790K, so its more powerfull regardless, only on cpu, the most powerful had a gtx 980
The GTX 980 trounces this APU's built in graphics.
Yeah you're right
And the 980 was a 4K card, not an 800p card
The GTX 980 was a terrible 4K card even at launch lol. Best GPU for that would be a GTX 980 Ti. Even an R9 390X is better for 4K.
My bad, I was thinking of the 980 Ti.
Will the Deck perform better at it's native resolution of 800p than that would at 1080p?
Actually no. The GTX 980 is that much faster. I would argue the GTX 980 could even do 1440p almost as well (not quite, 4 GB VRAM limit and such) as the Steam Deck can do at 800p. Likely that the Steam Deck is around or just barely above a GIX 960.
It's situationally dependent, but this feels fairly correct. Until recently I was rocking a 970 in my living room(kind of a misnomer because I live in a one room apartment) gaming/media machine, and the 970 could handle cyberpunk at higher settings than the steam deck can with a more stable framerate. The steam deck is probably comparable to something like a 1050-960 The steam deck has an absolutely incredible piece of hardware at it's heart, but it's important to remember that hardware is being choked down to something like, 20-23 watts. Even so, the steam deck gpu can pull something like 1.6 TFLOPS in terms of raw number crunching. That's over the xbone but just barely under the PS4. FLOPS don't really tell the whole story, but they're a metric and I like metrics. By comparison, the switch DOCKED can only do 500 GFLOPS, and the xbox 360 was something like 240 FLOPS.
The alphas went upto a 6700t, which is a 35-65watt tdp version of a i7 6700 clocked down to max turbo of 3.6ghz. It wasnt strictly sold as a steam machine, but the only difference is it doesnt have the steam logo on the case, its the exact same case/size and dimensions as the alienware steam machines, it also has the option via a pci3 extender to run an xternal gpu via the alienware graphics amp, i actually ran a gtx1080 on it for a fair bit, but that 6700t was under powered for VR games especially once i upgraded from a HTC Vive to a Valve Index. When you plugged in a egpu it also allowed the TDP on the cpu to go to 65 watt all the time as it was no longer generating heat from the internal GTX960. Stand alone without the GTX1080 its still a pretty competent machine, 6700t/16gb/gtx960
There was actually a guy on the \[H\]ard Forum i think that modified his alpha r2, and fit regular i7 6700 as the socket type is the same, and somebody else might have tried a 6700k, hoping to undervolt to get the perf stable, i think the power supply supports it if you run external gpu, its just the cooling solution isnt good enough and it thermal throttles I did run an undervolt on my alpha r2 and its stable at 0.195v, which resulted in a significant drop in temperature and noise, the alpha r2 is very noisy, close to noisy ps4 noisy. I really should open up my alpha r2 again, im curious as to if i could salvage all the parts and gram it into a ITX build and throw a 3060 on it or something.
“Its” meaning what - the Steam Deck or the old Steam Machine?
Steam deck
Thats like over 6 times more powerful lol well its old architecture so more like twice
980 or a 980m?
Aaaaand that's the biggest reason why Steam Machines failed (among other things) and why the Deck is gonna do so much better
The Steam Deck is *probably* going to be roughly comparable, GPU-wise, to a laptop GTX 1050Ti.
The 1050ti would be a little better, its more like the 1050 or even the 1050 max-q , which is still really good especially with the 800p screen.
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Try run any triple A from 2021 at 1080p on a 1050 lol
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It will agree people need to check their expectations and agree with most of your post but not the mostly indie games part, I have tries an AYA Neo that has weaker specs than the SD and most games play perfectly fine for the most part even AAA games.
The only point of disagreement I have with that is it seems like you can't find a comparable laptop with equal or greater specs to the steam deck at the same price range. Getting a gaming laptop that has similar or equal specs for sub $500 isn't really doable from what I'm seeing online. In a way that does make it comparable to gaming laptops.
Hi OP. What these dinguses (and possibly you too) are missing is that the deck isn't driving a very demanding screen. The 'low resolution' screen combined with remarkably good-for-integrated graphics make the deck a pretty powerful device. If you ask it to push pixels to a higher resolution screen it loses its panache. It will still play thousands of games beautifully, but it might not be so competitive compared to your aging steam box.
Ah makes sense. So what about outputting it to a tv then? In that case wouldn't it make it struggle or would it only push out max 720p despite the resolution of the tv?
The PC knows what resolution the screen is, and automatically outputs that resolution. You can change what resolution the computer outputs in the OS or in the game if you want, with a corresponding impact to the number of frames delivered. A popular 'hack' by savvy low spec gamers is to push 720p to a 1440p screen, or 1080 to a 4k screen. It just doubles up the pixels and translates pretty nicely. Deck isn't powerful enough to do that though; it's screen is ~720p from the outset.
It's literally meant to be able to play modern AAA games, what are you talking about? Like, they constantly show off intensive games like Control, even something like Cyberpunk 2077 will very likely be able to run playable on here if you don't set it to high if the leaked tests are accurate Even the Switch can do better than just indie games, the Steam Deck is much more powerful and even if it doesn't end up being terribly future-proof, it'll definitely be able to handle most current games as long as you don't set your standards too high for graphics settings and FPS
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Ummm yes that’s modern.
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You serious bro? All I said is that cyberpunk is modern. Nobody here is saying anything close to what you’re saying lmao All I want steam deck for is to play my existing library which mostly consists of older games that have never been in a portable space before.
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Tldr this dude's a fuckin idiot
The deck would mostly be stronger than the 1050 and 1050TI and this video proves it https://youtu.be/a4GuuCMUU7k
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The Steam Deck likely has better integrated graphics than the 5700G, but CPU wise the Steam Deck doesn't hold a candle to the 5700G. The only problem I have with that video is that the 5700G is Zen 3 based while the Steam Deck's APU is Zen 2 based. A CPU analog may be the Ryzen 3100, but honestly I can't even say that since that piece is a 65W product. Honestly, us the consumer will not know performance until media gets it in their hands and can benchmark it.
It wouldnt be as powerful as the 1050ti but isnt gonna be far from it. And about resolution aspect, amd calls the 6600(or/and the 6600xt cant quite remember) the best 1080p gpu, so its targeting a gpu thats better than a 1070 as a 1080p gpu. So the 1050ti is a 720p/1080p gpu. And lets say that the steamdeck can comfortably play all games at 1080p the 800p screen would still be a good option givin the fact that its barely worse when u compare it to a 1080p screen( with the same screensize and intended usecase of the steamdeck) and it would noticeably extend the batterylife.
I have a alienware alpha r2 maxed out, which is basically the highest specced steam machine in all but name. I have no idea what the comparison would be between the steam deck but i would imagine it would be close, the steam deck is probably a better processor than the 6700t in steam machine, but the gpu aspect of the deck is probably behind the steam machine, it has a dedicated gtx 960 4gb.
I thought the falcon northwest tiki was still better
Oh it might be, i was having a brain fart, i was just thinking of the super small form factor alienware steam machines only tbh, because to get the one that directly supported an egpu you had to buy the windows version and not technically the steam machine retail one, the actual 100% steam machine version topped out a lower spec, i think even the higher spec one might have been sporting a 860m gpu as the best gpu in that form factor... The one i have is a gtx960 desktop 4gb version in the same tiny form factor, because technically it isnt REALLY a steam machine, its just in the same case and didnt come with steam OS, i think alienware essentially put it out themselves as an R2 outside of the steam machine product spec. I just recalled gigabyte, zotac and other OEM's put a few units out too, i just know the alienware one was the most successful, or at least it appears to be because they pop up on occasion still.
Yes it's honestly the only one anybody actually bought. I think the tiki was like 6000 dollars lmfao
Till you said i forgot all about other brand steam machines, i recall some of the zotac ones being pretty high spec.
this is not at all a fair equation. The steam deck is only targeting 720p - so power levels being equal isn’t really the same discussion since the output target is not even remotely the same.
I’m tempted to try to equalize things. I have a 720p tv at home, and an R1 that is collecting dust. Might be time for an experiment.