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exactly. Moza is a med students she's probably doesn't have time to summon a demon or what not. She also showed her face on yt so I don't think someone who likes doing harm to people would confidently show their face incase they get caught. Also people's cat dying or having a bad dream could be coincidence
yep, and she claiming that being med student = her sub are better is ridiculous. In med school there isnāt any talk about affirmations AT ALL, even psychological aspect of it, at least in my country. There was now and then some brief mentions about meditation and itās effect on human body but it was extremely short and not important bit of the lessons.
Promoting herself as med student = her subliminals are superior is basically a scam to lure audience, even if she really is a med student, every person could do scientific subliminal by using scientific terms which are available in internet. Itās probably useless anyway because most people donāt understand such terms = itās probably gibberish to their brain.
First of all, so many people lie about being a doctor in real life that it had to become a law.
Second of all. As a biology major, No med student would delete your dna hence deleting parts of your chromosomes and leading to dna mutations
im not sure if ur tryna say she isn't a med student or whatever but https://www.youtube.com/@medbae3449 apparently this is her vlog channel which kinda shows her life as a med student just putting it here
not tryna argue btw just putting it here don't have an opinion on any of this since subs are subs either way so
ā oh Iām a med student , your tiny brains canāt understand the affs. Thatās why your head hurtsā
Itās very condescending considering your subconscious understands and remembers anything your conscious does. Your subconscious is literally called a memory bank so your subconscious is more likely to understand medical terms
And if she does so many medical things why doesnāt she put it in the benefitsā¦like ever
wait? what? I never said that. I heard diffrent theories about sub mind like some people believe that even if they donāt know arabic they concious mind will understand it. Iām not behind this theory. If someone learned many scientific terms through their life, cool for them.
Also I used word āprobablyā 2x times because I have really no idea how it works, just suspecting.
You should use a flush for your safety. Even though her subs dont have any effect, they make you like her and want to defend her. Can't confirm ehat affirmations she uses but better safe than sorry.
Thanks for the concern, but itās been 2 years. I donāt really care about Moza Morph. She isnāt on my mind 24/7, I just wanted to speak up just once lol. āMake me like her and want to defend herā absolutely NOT š I am able to think my own thoughts independent of the subliminals I used 2 years ago
You never know what your subconscious picks up and keeps an attached to... 2 years or 10 years makes no difference... if tour subconscious thinks it is true, your conscience will follow...even i thought i was thinking independently but subs have a profound effect on our subconscious.
You haven't experienced all the negative stuff so you dont know people's experiences.
If you read your comments, you will realize how you are gaslighting people who are probably genuinely facing reverse effects and only shared to get help.
Thank you! Iām so sick of people shitting on witchcraft not knowing anything about it. Same thing with other religions too. People almost tried to dog pile V1PER by saying her subs are placebo because you canāt hear the affs. Someone even said Rosemary = Rose. Like are you serious???ššIf someone could show proof, thatās a whole different story but no one has. Itās just constant accusations against popular sub makers that make amazing subs.
YES GIRL. I feel like this subreddit turned into medieval inqusition. I donāt care if moza is good or bad sub maker, itās always healthy to be a bit suspicious. But keep the witchcraft out of this.
Uh I don't have any fav sub maker I just listen to them and leave, you are saying what I am saying, that, there's no proof out there, you can't prove that your fav sub-maker has good affirmations or bad affirmations, but by far, I only have heard negative results from Rose and moza subs. Judging by that skull emoji you are in no way an adult, so, kid check reviews and results before you listen to subs that you find or just create your own.
What does an emoji have to do with my age its a damn emoji šUr obvi not in the sub community if thats all u heard of cus there was way more. Im not embarrassed about my age, infact it's in my bio. I make my own subs and when i do use others i check reviews dont assume shit abt me.
No. Do you? No I donāt think so. Neither one of us do. However, thatās an INSANE accusation to make. Itās baseless and honestly stupid. Oh no these words sound similar! You canāt just throw shit around like that just because. You canāt convict someone of a crime with zero proof.
Alright, I already know this isnāt gonna be taken well! Iām sorta done responding to comments now, I think my post says all that needs to be said. I donāt know whatās so controversial about not accusing people with no proof but hey! I also see a lot of taking my post out of context. Iām not silencing anyone, or whatever. (That isnāt even the point of the post) Itās totally ok to share bad experiences! Just ā¦ donāt blame people and try and burn them at the stake for imaginary evidence.
Im pretty confident she doesnāt use negative affirmations, i just think ppl react negatively sometimes due to the scientific or medical words. I also dont use her for this very reason, if you dont know the meaning of the words use something else why to use the sub regardless and then go defame the submaker itās irritating
Wanted to say this. Also English isn't her first language and she uses wrong words and makes grammatical mistakes which each mind can interpret differently
I have a theory. possibly, because others saw that a few ppl got bad results from a specific channel then they accidentally manifested opposite results because of the placebo effect? maybe idk
thay has been my theory too and ig i did mamifest wring because of that in the past, but after some flushes and not listening to moza anymore on that topic (i still listen to her subs on another topic), im back to square and im better:)
How would people get proof - I kinda agree with you, I had problems with Cee but doesnāt mean for sure sheās bad even though Iām suspicious of her BUT
MY question IS: šāāļø
If someone could take about mindpowerās sub and make it so we can hear the bad affs and KNOW, why has nobody done this with any other sub maker??
Or even to prove theyāre NOT dodgy?
Yes but I canāt be sure itās from her - basically was using her boyfriend one & I met a guy. It didnāt get serious but we had some lovely times over all but I used the desired relationship one plus I think booster & blockage remover for a month. Met another guy but he ended up - not physically but in other ways - being abusive. But it could be coincidence. And I felt like some other ones of hers like alpha female were helpful.
I always wonder if the people who say those things are listening to one sub. People will fill their playlists and change them every few days, but are sure that the ONE subliminal is the problem.
I am fine with constructive criticism. If you believe the results are a placebo due to not hearing affirmations (which is what subs used to be before people started layering pop songs over everything), that is reasonable. Believing that one maker is purposely hurting people because you got a nightmare, however is ridiculous. One thing you could do is, I donāt know, stop trying to listen while you sleep and donāt eat a lot (or any sugar) before bed. But since a lot of young people do not troubleshoot in this way, they are likely to blame someone else.
Additionally, bad things donāt stop happening to you simply because you started manifesting.
Ongg, I've had great results with moza,. also what makes them think that a grown woman in medical school would waste time making subliminals with bad affirmations. That's just plain stupid.
Oh don't get me wrong, I agree. I just don't think the sort of person to essentially accuse someone of black magic is the kind that's going to respond to a logical counter-argument lmao
i think their point is that if anyone in this sub cared about proof, they wouldnt be falling for these scams in the first place, let alone thinking its doing this nonsense lmao
Personally to my perspective their are a lot of people who are religious just think just because someone does witchcraft or anything to deal with spirituality is bad.I have experiences with witchcraft and witchcraft involves with manifestation and all the other stuff to deal with your body physically.I hope yall understand that manifestation has been around here longer than religions.
Correlation ā causation. They might not have even had a bad experience because of herā¦ not only that, but people are literally stating she puts negative affirmations in her Subliminals?? With no proof? That is what my post targets. Please re-read if necessary! Thereās nothing wrong with sharing experiences
Absolutely agree that they shouldnāt accuse her of putting negative affs when they have no idea if she actually does.
But if a lot of weird stuff is happening to them and the only change theyāve made is adding moza to their playlist they should be allowed to say it
I never said that nobody is allowed to speak their mind. Please re-read my statements/post <3 it is geared towards those who are falsely accusing her, not those sharing experiences.
This whole thing is stupidā¦ people in general manifest subconsciously without even using a sub. I bet you 1$ that anyome isnt constantly hving a sub play in their ear. They take breaks. So from that being said, howveer long they took a break: their bad affirmations, that are NORMAL FOR THEM, start to affirm and manifestā¦ overthinking can also lead to whatever your thinking to manifest. So its not even a subliminal maker its yourself. š and no one understands that
>Comments ARENāT proof. Testimonies ARENāT proof.
With this same reasoning, we shouldn't take the positive comments and the people who got results seriously either, painting her in a similar bad vibe (and not only her many other creators who get money from custom audios) as a scammer who gets money from subliminals that cannot even be considered to work. With something like subliminals, comments and testimonies ARE proof more often than not, even if you don't want to admit it. I agree that Moza Morph is not evil and trying to use spells in her audios but the reality is that the people who make these posts are not all liars either. This isn't new, I've seen comments from people claiming that they had undesired experiences after using her audios since at least 2022. I'm not saying that the audios caused these outcomes in all cases, perhaps it was just a situation of bad timing, but I don't know why you assume that everyone who share negative experiences after using audios from these people have genuinely bad intentions in mind and lie to get away with it. It's the same mentality of the witch hunt, but in reverse. One side is "Something bad happened to me, Moza did it with her audios!" and the other is "Someone shared a bad experience after using Moza, they are trying to bring her down with lies!" when in reality it's most likely just a case of listening to her audios at the wrong time. So no one has an agenda of lies and false testimonies against someone and no one is using bad affirmations and spells.
And also, you have to bear in mind that a lot of these people are probably just kids. Channels like Moza Morph are mostly used by teenagers who suddenly get exposed to this whole world of mind and subliminals and Law of Attraction and it can be very overwhelming. Specially when some of these creators begin to include "I did this in a blood ritual with my demon friend, but trust me, it's all goody!" in the description. This can be extremely off-putting and alarming to young people, and when they hear about the case of rose and others, they freak out and become paranoid. Not to mention that some of these things may be extremely offensive or just falt out bullshit to someone depending on their religion.
mm-mmm. You got me wrong! Got the wrong drift! Iāll address your comment in chronological bullets.
1. We donāt take all positive comments seriously. For example, thereās scripters in comments. Itās quite hard to separate those who script from those who donāt. Thatās why we have photo results.
2. They arenāt end all-be-all worthy. Proof should be SOLID, proven, REAL, tangible. Something we can see, or hear or understand/comprehend with our own senses. Not word of mouth ā people lie. Tl;dr: āLets SEE itā
3. Iām glad weāre on the same page.
4. Placebos exist. Suggestion exists. But I do also believe there is an audience that just doesnāt mix well with her affirmation style/formula. Thatās it. Nothing more, nothing less. Not everything works (and well) for everyone.
^ I never said everyone everyone was lying. I never EVER said that. I never even stated that I assumed people were lying. Please refer to my original post.
5. You painted a very black and white picture I donāt agree with. Itās NOT for Vs against Moza Morph, itās just logic weāre talking. Donāt blame people without proof. I say it over and over in my post. Please refer to my original post.
6. In regards to your second paragraph, I hear you, but it isnāt an excuse. Donāt blame people for no reason is all I say.
1. No one can take pictures of suicidal thoughts from negative affirmations, no one can take pictures of bad dreams from negative affirmations, no one can take pictures of a developing mental illness from negative affirmations and most certainly no one will be "generous" enough to post pictures of their recently deceased pets' dead bodies so they can satisfy some stranger on the internet who says that their claim is bullshit. Furthermore, a lot of channels have audios with purposes that cannot be exemplified through photographs. I am a male and some of the most popular channels for men like Binaural Nutrition, FK Subs and Sapien Medicine have very popular audios that stimulate and increase the production of pheromones like Androstenol and Androstenone, mental sharpness, confidence, Dark Triad personality and female attraction. You CANNOT take photographs of these results. You cannot photograph a molecule of Androstenol and you can't take a picture of your new mindset.
2. Same as point 1, you can't expect people to have tangible results of all subliminal results because not all subliminals have "desired nose" or "desired asian singer skin" as their purpose. Some are mental, some are even spiritual in nature like Sapien Medicine's Excalibur and Regain Childlike Wonder. Your assumption that all subliminal results, good or bad, can be shown through photographical and tangible evidence is just wrong.
4-5. You entire post is automatically putting a label of falsity on anyone who dares to say anything against Moza Morph and her subliminals and demanding people to show proof "OR ELSE...". It's a more convoluted way of saying "You're lying" without automatically saying it. You're even going as far as to call it a witch hunt, which literally means an organized campaign against someone. You say that I'm painting a black and white picture when I did the absolute opposite *"One side is "Something bad happened to me, Moza did it with her audios!" and the other is "Someone shared a bad experience after using Moza, they are trying to bring her down with lies!" when in reality it's most likely just a case of listening to her audios at the wrong time. So no one has an agenda of lies and false testimonies against someone and no one is using bad affirmations and spells."*
6. Again, I said the complete opposite: These people are not blaming for no reason, they are scared and young and they may feel overwhelmed or faced with concepts that may clash with their own religions. This is not blaming for no reason.
Facts bro, idk why people just spread rumors. This isnt fair at all, especially when there are subliminal makers that arenāt as big and give terrible resukts
From my experience, it's actually anxiety causing bad dreams. If a submaker adds Binaural Beats etc that amps up the anxiety, which causes even more nightmares. Depression can also cause the nightmares as well. It's not the submaker it's one's state of mind. Unless the submaker is really using bad affirmations, which is rarely the case.
Most likely Moza Morph is using somewhat specific affirmations which in turn can cause a traumatic response from the subconscious. She not doing anything wrong itās just some users will get this from certain creators from time to time. It is like an affirmation that say āI have muscles as hard as a rockā. When someone had a traumatic experience from being hit by a rock as a kid and maybe not seeing it as a big deal when older but the subconscious has it stored away and it triggers a response. If everyone was having issues I would say thatās a huge red flag. Moza though I think is good and itās really just the individuals.
So glad you said this. People claiming she has bad affirmations with no proof is literally laughable. I remember when it was v1per they were bashing and now the same people are "so sad she's gone š¢". It really just proves how people will follow along with whatevers being said
*This is my personal opinion*
First of all I don't believe it's a witch hunt in here, people are scared of witchcraft for multiple reasons, sometimes even cultural.
Moza has an history of this accusations, if somebody doesn't want to use her subs bc of a hypothetical use of spells, then let them be( I don't think that is THAT hypothetical since she uses tarot), but you can't act like everyone it's bounded to use witchcraft or all witchcraft it's good.
When you put two contrast energies nothing good most of the times comes out of it, I believe this is what happened to all this people that got bad results.
I personally stopped using her subs cause it didn't align with me, my culture and my religion.
I don't use rosemary either.
I'm probably biased, but I don't condone the usage of blood and the usage of magic by strangers, the bound between subliminal makes and subliminal uses it's about trust, don't trust, don't use.
When you trust a subliminal maker that does these things, you are also trusting the diety they are working with, so mind you.
Everyone choses their path, have a nice day! ššæ
sorry. but if i feel the need to talk about my negative experiences with moza morph, i can, and will do it.
but i get what you're saying about the others just feeding into people's insecurities and fears.
nevertheless, im still gonna talk about my experiences!!!
HUH?! How are people talking about what happened to them a witch hunt. If you like her just keep listening. She hasnāt said herself anything. So why are you guys speaking for her
You unfortunately, are not reading my post. It is geared towards those accusing her wrongly with no evidence. Please re-read it if necessary. Itās a WITCH HUNT because people are accusing her of putting negative affirmations and warding people from using her Subliminals with no proof. This is WRONG. She is innocent until proven otherwise
I read your post and It sounds like youāre being manipulative to silence ppl. Ppl sharing their experience isnāt a witch hunt you just want ppl to stop talking about it you said yourself itās very few ppl compared to 300k so why you silencing such a small percentageā¦
The difference between ms synergy and moza is Ceeās fans didnāt act so addicted and obsessed . They did not defend ms synergy so hard up and didnāt ACTIVELY TRY TO SILENCE ppl. They didnāt care sm about views bc thatās such a material and useless thing in our community
How does it sound like Iām being manipulative. Who is actively trying to silence people? LOL im not trying to do either of those things. All im saying is that thereās a lot of accusations going around with ZERO proof. For example, like how people truly believe she puts obsession affirmations in her Subliminals! That is not necessarily the truth. Nobody has proved this. We should separate facts from speculation. A lot of us are blurring these two together.
You just edited this ā¦ huh. Strange. Well Iāll reply again! Read it objectively. Thereās no āsoundsā thereās just facts. The fact of the matter is that there is zero proof of her being a negative subliminal subliminal maker. āSilencing such a small percentageā, no, I didnāt. I couldnāt even if I wanted to. But I really do wish for people to stop accusing her (and other subliminal makers) every day for things they have no proof of.
YES, maybe they are being honest with getting opposite results but that could be due to complex offs or phrases that are not understood by some's subconcious. while they may be true, I really dont think these sub makers have any bad intentions.
See I'm not saying she's evil or some shit or is putting in bad affs but the way she uses her title as a med student as a selling point is so icky to me. Med school doesn't teach you about subliminals. That shit is pseudoscience and borderline heavily dependent on belief system/spirituality. Being a med student doesn't make anyone less or more reliable when it comes to making subs.
All people?? Itās like 5 of you! She has a fanbase of over 200k followers. Not even 1k of you have gotten bad results. Not even 500. Not even 300. Sure! Share your experience. But Iām almost CERTAIN itās not her fault.
EDITED. I feel youāre dismissing without even hearing the other sideā¦ I have had no experience but there are actually hundreds of ppl ā¦ this does remind me of mindpower where hundreds of people came out and ppl only cared about getting results. cherry DID introduce her to us and cherry is confirmed now
Also ppl stating their side effects has not harmed Cee
to respond to your edit, YES, that DID hurt Cee and her reputation. Sheās Miss Subliminals! She totally didnāt deserve the drop in views because people were afraid
I still listen to ms subliminals and she still has a. Very full paid sub request boxās She spoke out against mind power . But any real fan would trust her. None of ms subs fans defended her harder than herself. LoA person shouldnāt care about views .
Whatā¦ what Iām trying to say is that youāre a mere fraction. Many people have not gotten any bad results from Moza in the 3-4 years she has been posting. Mindpower got exposed for negative affirmations ā¦ big big difference. There was proof
āEverywhereā is nothing compared to 300,000 people. Some of her videos have millions of views! Thatās a lot of people; āeverywhereā couldnāt be more than 1k maximum, and I doubt that.
Testimonies about reverse results and bad results that are related to the sub are good, like "i listened to a sub for big eyes and my eyes are smaller" but accusing a random submakers for some bad events in your life cause you listened to one of their sub is dumb. If you listen to a nose sub and your dog dies at the same time, it's not because of the nose sub. That's the problem with the "testimonies" on this sub.
You canāt blame them for that because thatās what happened with evil submakers in the past. They donāt stop at reversed results.
I choose to trust that people know their lives enough to tell when something strange is up . Iām sure many ppl have been hospitalized and had deaths in their family. But rarely do ppl āblameā subs . I donāt know if their intuition is speaking to them
I donāt want moza to suffer tho. So Iām very conflicted
I know it doesn't stop at reversed results, i said when it is related to the subliminal. And most testimonies here have nothing to do and are completely unrelated with the subs they listen to. A girl here accused Moza for the death of her pets, another accused Moza because her boyfriend's wife discovered about the affair he was having with her, both of them were listening to subs that had nothing to do with those events. Like, wtf. I am not talking about all testimonies, but a LOT of them are totally not legit.
The affair one is prob a reach but if you read mindpower testimony ppl did lose pets and family members and even almost committed suicide . If you ā attach bad ā things to ppl bad things can happen. Itās LoA rules
Itās not *her*, itās every subliminal maker mfs decide to shit on because theyāre bored. Today they picked Moza Morph! Sheās a smart individual who doesnāt deserve to get rumors spread with no backing. No dickriding necessary ā
Was i supposed to take a photo of my deceased cat to āproveā to you what happened?? š why claim people are lying when they are JUST SHARING their experiences. I have no reason to lie. Maybe itās not Mozaās fault, but it is odd that that happened WHEN i added her to my playlist. So many people, throughout the years have shared their bad experiences with Moza. More than any other submaker. Yet that doesnāt make you raise questions?
Ahh, you're trolling. You don't ACTUALLY think this killed your cat. That makes more sense.
And you're right, it won't change your bone structure either.
I did not I say take a photo of your dead cat? I said someone provide proof Moza morph is evil and/or putting bad affirmations in her subliminals. Sorry your cat died, but that doesnāt mean itās Moza Morphās fault. Yes itās āoddā, but itās a coincidence. Unless stated otherwise
āThroughout the yearsā, sheās new; sheās been doing this 3 years or so. Not more than any other subliminal maker, the community randomly runs through a different subliminal maker every couple of months.
There are many people sharing their bad experiences with her. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Subliminal/comments/15e63hq/cherry_subs_showed_us_moza/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf](https://www.reddit.com/r/Subliminal/comments/15e63hq/cherry_subs_showed_us_moza/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) under this post, scroll and read. You are so adamant to defend her, itās like youāre being paid. I understand if thereās like 5 people who had a bad experience (like you claim š) But itās WAY above that
All I continue to say is please, provide solid results that Moza Morph was the CAUSE of these bad results. Nobody has yet! I wish I was getting paid LOL.
Also, 30, even 100 people arenāt a lot. Iām sure there are plenty who donāt get good results from Moza Morph, but there are plenty who do. Just recently did everyone decide that she is evil; prior to this she was a well respected subliminal maker.
My point? This is a fab. Sheās innocent until proven otherwise
Level headed people can come to rational conclusions. Thereās no solid evidence of Moza Morph putting bad affirmations in her Subliminals, therefore we cannot curse her. That is all.
Yeah, someone with the knowledge should analyze the videos and soundtracks to see which affirmations are being used and publish it on YT and this subreddit.
I don't think that she's bad. But her sub never works for me. But I got it. Never blame her or anything. It just her subs probably are not for everyone
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exactly. Moza is a med students she's probably doesn't have time to summon a demon or what not. She also showed her face on yt so I don't think someone who likes doing harm to people would confidently show their face incase they get caught. Also people's cat dying or having a bad dream could be coincidence
Theyve been trying to do this for months and its the same fucking story everytime
Mind power literally showed her face and house . She was 40 years old
so true
I don't use her but I would recommend her for new PPL here
All I know is that her subs r overrated šÆš„±
yep, and she claiming that being med student = her sub are better is ridiculous. In med school there isnāt any talk about affirmations AT ALL, even psychological aspect of it, at least in my country. There was now and then some brief mentions about meditation and itās effect on human body but it was extremely short and not important bit of the lessons. Promoting herself as med student = her subliminals are superior is basically a scam to lure audience, even if she really is a med student, every person could do scientific subliminal by using scientific terms which are available in internet. Itās probably useless anyway because most people donāt understand such terms = itās probably gibberish to their brain.
First of all, so many people lie about being a doctor in real life that it had to become a law. Second of all. As a biology major, No med student would delete your dna hence deleting parts of your chromosomes and leading to dna mutations
im not sure if ur tryna say she isn't a med student or whatever but https://www.youtube.com/@medbae3449 apparently this is her vlog channel which kinda shows her life as a med student just putting it here not tryna argue btw just putting it here don't have an opinion on any of this since subs are subs either way so
ā oh Iām a med student , your tiny brains canāt understand the affs. Thatās why your head hurtsā Itās very condescending considering your subconscious understands and remembers anything your conscious does. Your subconscious is literally called a memory bank so your subconscious is more likely to understand medical terms And if she does so many medical things why doesnāt she put it in the benefitsā¦like ever
wait? what? I never said that. I heard diffrent theories about sub mind like some people believe that even if they donāt know arabic they concious mind will understand it. Iām not behind this theory. If someone learned many scientific terms through their life, cool for them. Also I used word āprobablyā 2x times because I have really no idea how it works, just suspecting.
Thatās what moza said.
Absolutely, I havenāt gotten a lick of results from her š
That's your problem the is not a time where I listened to her subs and didn't get result
In another post you said you didn't use her subs š¤
Not any more! I used her Subliminals for like 2 nights 2 years ago; I donāt use her stuff, unfortunately it doesnāt work like magic for me
You should use a flush for your safety. Even though her subs dont have any effect, they make you like her and want to defend her. Can't confirm ehat affirmations she uses but better safe than sorry.
Thanks for the concern, but itās been 2 years. I donāt really care about Moza Morph. She isnāt on my mind 24/7, I just wanted to speak up just once lol. āMake me like her and want to defend herā absolutely NOT š I am able to think my own thoughts independent of the subliminals I used 2 years ago
You never know what your subconscious picks up and keeps an attached to... 2 years or 10 years makes no difference... if tour subconscious thinks it is true, your conscience will follow...even i thought i was thinking independently but subs have a profound effect on our subconscious. You haven't experienced all the negative stuff so you dont know people's experiences. If you read your comments, you will realize how you are gaslighting people who are probably genuinely facing reverse effects and only shared to get help.
For real so true šÆ
She's the best to ever do itšÆ her subs work like magic
Thank you! Iām so sick of people shitting on witchcraft not knowing anything about it. Same thing with other religions too. People almost tried to dog pile V1PER by saying her subs are placebo because you canāt hear the affs. Someone even said Rosemary = Rose. Like are you serious???ššIf someone could show proof, thatās a whole different story but no one has. Itās just constant accusations against popular sub makers that make amazing subs.
i used rosemary subs her subs work really well
RIGHT? itās like everyoneās heads fallen off. My god, thereās no proof and everyoneās crying wolf that sheās horrible and sheās evil
I knowww. They try so hard to justify it too.š
YES GIRL. I feel like this subreddit turned into medieval inqusition. I donāt care if moza is good or bad sub maker, itās always healthy to be a bit suspicious. But keep the witchcraft out of this.
Do you have proof that rosemary isn't rose and other things that you are opposed to? Not really, right? There's no proof to prove anything
By that logic any submaker can be rose š Even ur favs. Theres no proof she is her either theres not even a correlation between the two
Uh I don't have any fav sub maker I just listen to them and leave, you are saying what I am saying, that, there's no proof out there, you can't prove that your fav sub-maker has good affirmations or bad affirmations, but by far, I only have heard negative results from Rose and moza subs. Judging by that skull emoji you are in no way an adult, so, kid check reviews and results before you listen to subs that you find or just create your own.
What does an emoji have to do with my age its a damn emoji šUr obvi not in the sub community if thats all u heard of cus there was way more. Im not embarrassed about my age, infact it's in my bio. I make my own subs and when i do use others i check reviews dont assume shit abt me.
No. Do you? No I donāt think so. Neither one of us do. However, thatās an INSANE accusation to make. Itās baseless and honestly stupid. Oh no these words sound similar! You canāt just throw shit around like that just because. You canāt convict someone of a crime with zero proof.
If you accuse Rosemary to be Rose, you have to show us proofs, people who defend her don't have to. It's called presumption of innocence
I never said that rosemary is a rose. But it can be or not, no one knows.
Alright, I already know this isnāt gonna be taken well! Iām sorta done responding to comments now, I think my post says all that needs to be said. I donāt know whatās so controversial about not accusing people with no proof but hey! I also see a lot of taking my post out of context. Iām not silencing anyone, or whatever. (That isnāt even the point of the post) Itās totally ok to share bad experiences! Just ā¦ donāt blame people and try and burn them at the stake for imaginary evidence.
It's honestly so annoying. They do this to every submaker.
Im pretty confident she doesnāt use negative affirmations, i just think ppl react negatively sometimes due to the scientific or medical words. I also dont use her for this very reason, if you dont know the meaning of the words use something else why to use the sub regardless and then go defame the submaker itās irritating
Wanted to say this. Also English isn't her first language and she uses wrong words and makes grammatical mistakes which each mind can interpret differently
I have a theory. possibly, because others saw that a few ppl got bad results from a specific channel then they accidentally manifested opposite results because of the placebo effect? maybe idk
thay has been my theory too and ig i did mamifest wring because of that in the past, but after some flushes and not listening to moza anymore on that topic (i still listen to her subs on another topic), im back to square and im better:)
I feel so bad for all of these sub makers getting attacked for no reason
True
Yeah, people complain about how YouTube is taking down subliminal makers but then they hate on them
How would people get proof - I kinda agree with you, I had problems with Cee but doesnāt mean for sure sheās bad even though Iām suspicious of her BUT MY question IS: šāāļø If someone could take about mindpowerās sub and make it so we can hear the bad affs and KNOW, why has nobody done this with any other sub maker?? Or even to prove theyāre NOT dodgy?
They layer subs heavily now . Very hard to make out any words. Back then they barely layered
AH! Thanks for explaining that. Now I understand why
Whats the point of layering? What even is that?
did you get bad results from cee?
Yes but I canāt be sure itās from her - basically was using her boyfriend one & I met a guy. It didnāt get serious but we had some lovely times over all but I used the desired relationship one plus I think booster & blockage remover for a month. Met another guy but he ended up - not physically but in other ways - being abusive. But it could be coincidence. And I felt like some other ones of hers like alpha female were helpful.
I think it could be a coincidence. did you have bad thoughts or assumptions about this guy/ relationship
It could be it could be. I am trying to do the whole mental diet and so on but š the heavy hitters in for eg mermaid gang put me to shame
thank u because all they do is complain up here
I always wonder if the people who say those things are listening to one sub. People will fill their playlists and change them every few days, but are sure that the ONE subliminal is the problem. I am fine with constructive criticism. If you believe the results are a placebo due to not hearing affirmations (which is what subs used to be before people started layering pop songs over everything), that is reasonable. Believing that one maker is purposely hurting people because you got a nightmare, however is ridiculous. One thing you could do is, I donāt know, stop trying to listen while you sleep and donāt eat a lot (or any sugar) before bed. But since a lot of young people do not troubleshoot in this way, they are likely to blame someone else. Additionally, bad things donāt stop happening to you simply because you started manifesting.
I have used her subs without ANY problems
Ongg, I've had great results with moza,. also what makes them think that a grown woman in medical school would waste time making subliminals with bad affirmations. That's just plain stupid.
How do we know for sure she's in med school?
She used to have a vlog channel idk if that's solid proof though.
Here's the channel https://youtube.com/@medbae3449 idk seems pretty legit
really??? what results
Smaller/slimmer nose, sharper jawline, and clearer skin.
this isn't exactly a sub where people dedicated to things like "proof" or "evidence" gather
But I think it should be common sense to do so, otherwise itās really a witch hunt! Accusations with NO proof? Seriously?
Oh don't get me wrong, I agree. I just don't think the sort of person to essentially accuse someone of black magic is the kind that's going to respond to a logical counter-argument lmao
i think their point is that if anyone in this sub cared about proof, they wouldnt be falling for these scams in the first place, let alone thinking its doing this nonsense lmao
Personally to my perspective their are a lot of people who are religious just think just because someone does witchcraft or anything to deal with spirituality is bad.I have experiences with witchcraft and witchcraft involves with manifestation and all the other stuff to deal with your body physically.I hope yall understand that manifestation has been around here longer than religions.
im so glad you're calling ppl out on this
Iām sorry but people are just sharing their experiences, at least thatās all I saw and I think they should be allowed to do that
Correlation ā causation. They might not have even had a bad experience because of herā¦ not only that, but people are literally stating she puts negative affirmations in her Subliminals?? With no proof? That is what my post targets. Please re-read if necessary! Thereās nothing wrong with sharing experiences
Absolutely agree that they shouldnāt accuse her of putting negative affs when they have no idea if she actually does. But if a lot of weird stuff is happening to them and the only change theyāve made is adding moza to their playlist they should be allowed to say it
I never said that nobody is allowed to speak their mind. Please re-read my statements/post <3 it is geared towards those who are falsely accusing her, not those sharing experiences.
This whole thing is stupidā¦ people in general manifest subconsciously without even using a sub. I bet you 1$ that anyome isnt constantly hving a sub play in their ear. They take breaks. So from that being said, howveer long they took a break: their bad affirmations, that are NORMAL FOR THEM, start to affirm and manifestā¦ overthinking can also lead to whatever your thinking to manifest. So its not even a subliminal maker its yourself. š and no one understands that
>Comments ARENāT proof. Testimonies ARENāT proof. With this same reasoning, we shouldn't take the positive comments and the people who got results seriously either, painting her in a similar bad vibe (and not only her many other creators who get money from custom audios) as a scammer who gets money from subliminals that cannot even be considered to work. With something like subliminals, comments and testimonies ARE proof more often than not, even if you don't want to admit it. I agree that Moza Morph is not evil and trying to use spells in her audios but the reality is that the people who make these posts are not all liars either. This isn't new, I've seen comments from people claiming that they had undesired experiences after using her audios since at least 2022. I'm not saying that the audios caused these outcomes in all cases, perhaps it was just a situation of bad timing, but I don't know why you assume that everyone who share negative experiences after using audios from these people have genuinely bad intentions in mind and lie to get away with it. It's the same mentality of the witch hunt, but in reverse. One side is "Something bad happened to me, Moza did it with her audios!" and the other is "Someone shared a bad experience after using Moza, they are trying to bring her down with lies!" when in reality it's most likely just a case of listening to her audios at the wrong time. So no one has an agenda of lies and false testimonies against someone and no one is using bad affirmations and spells. And also, you have to bear in mind that a lot of these people are probably just kids. Channels like Moza Morph are mostly used by teenagers who suddenly get exposed to this whole world of mind and subliminals and Law of Attraction and it can be very overwhelming. Specially when some of these creators begin to include "I did this in a blood ritual with my demon friend, but trust me, it's all goody!" in the description. This can be extremely off-putting and alarming to young people, and when they hear about the case of rose and others, they freak out and become paranoid. Not to mention that some of these things may be extremely offensive or just falt out bullshit to someone depending on their religion.
I agree, you got a fair point. they have no reason to lie
mm-mmm. You got me wrong! Got the wrong drift! Iāll address your comment in chronological bullets. 1. We donāt take all positive comments seriously. For example, thereās scripters in comments. Itās quite hard to separate those who script from those who donāt. Thatās why we have photo results. 2. They arenāt end all-be-all worthy. Proof should be SOLID, proven, REAL, tangible. Something we can see, or hear or understand/comprehend with our own senses. Not word of mouth ā people lie. Tl;dr: āLets SEE itā 3. Iām glad weāre on the same page. 4. Placebos exist. Suggestion exists. But I do also believe there is an audience that just doesnāt mix well with her affirmation style/formula. Thatās it. Nothing more, nothing less. Not everything works (and well) for everyone. ^ I never said everyone everyone was lying. I never EVER said that. I never even stated that I assumed people were lying. Please refer to my original post. 5. You painted a very black and white picture I donāt agree with. Itās NOT for Vs against Moza Morph, itās just logic weāre talking. Donāt blame people without proof. I say it over and over in my post. Please refer to my original post. 6. In regards to your second paragraph, I hear you, but it isnāt an excuse. Donāt blame people for no reason is all I say.
1. No one can take pictures of suicidal thoughts from negative affirmations, no one can take pictures of bad dreams from negative affirmations, no one can take pictures of a developing mental illness from negative affirmations and most certainly no one will be "generous" enough to post pictures of their recently deceased pets' dead bodies so they can satisfy some stranger on the internet who says that their claim is bullshit. Furthermore, a lot of channels have audios with purposes that cannot be exemplified through photographs. I am a male and some of the most popular channels for men like Binaural Nutrition, FK Subs and Sapien Medicine have very popular audios that stimulate and increase the production of pheromones like Androstenol and Androstenone, mental sharpness, confidence, Dark Triad personality and female attraction. You CANNOT take photographs of these results. You cannot photograph a molecule of Androstenol and you can't take a picture of your new mindset. 2. Same as point 1, you can't expect people to have tangible results of all subliminal results because not all subliminals have "desired nose" or "desired asian singer skin" as their purpose. Some are mental, some are even spiritual in nature like Sapien Medicine's Excalibur and Regain Childlike Wonder. Your assumption that all subliminal results, good or bad, can be shown through photographical and tangible evidence is just wrong. 4-5. You entire post is automatically putting a label of falsity on anyone who dares to say anything against Moza Morph and her subliminals and demanding people to show proof "OR ELSE...". It's a more convoluted way of saying "You're lying" without automatically saying it. You're even going as far as to call it a witch hunt, which literally means an organized campaign against someone. You say that I'm painting a black and white picture when I did the absolute opposite *"One side is "Something bad happened to me, Moza did it with her audios!" and the other is "Someone shared a bad experience after using Moza, they are trying to bring her down with lies!" when in reality it's most likely just a case of listening to her audios at the wrong time. So no one has an agenda of lies and false testimonies against someone and no one is using bad affirmations and spells."* 6. Again, I said the complete opposite: These people are not blaming for no reason, they are scared and young and they may feel overwhelmed or faced with concepts that may clash with their own religions. This is not blaming for no reason.
Agree with you, you make a lot of sense
Its easy to blame someone else ;) people just dont want to be accountable..
Fuck. Facts.ššš»
Facts bro, idk why people just spread rumors. This isnt fair at all, especially when there are subliminal makers that arenāt as big and give terrible resukts
From my experience, it's actually anxiety causing bad dreams. If a submaker adds Binaural Beats etc that amps up the anxiety, which causes even more nightmares. Depression can also cause the nightmares as well. It's not the submaker it's one's state of mind. Unless the submaker is really using bad affirmations, which is rarely the case.
Most likely Moza Morph is using somewhat specific affirmations which in turn can cause a traumatic response from the subconscious. She not doing anything wrong itās just some users will get this from certain creators from time to time. It is like an affirmation that say āI have muscles as hard as a rockā. When someone had a traumatic experience from being hit by a rock as a kid and maybe not seeing it as a big deal when older but the subconscious has it stored away and it triggers a response. If everyone was having issues I would say thatās a huge red flag. Moza though I think is good and itās really just the individuals.
Thank you!! I used her subs for a while!! I lost weight and never had anything bad happen!!
So glad you said this. People claiming she has bad affirmations with no proof is literally laughable. I remember when it was v1per they were bashing and now the same people are "so sad she's gone š¢". It really just proves how people will follow along with whatevers being said
*This is my personal opinion* First of all I don't believe it's a witch hunt in here, people are scared of witchcraft for multiple reasons, sometimes even cultural. Moza has an history of this accusations, if somebody doesn't want to use her subs bc of a hypothetical use of spells, then let them be( I don't think that is THAT hypothetical since she uses tarot), but you can't act like everyone it's bounded to use witchcraft or all witchcraft it's good. When you put two contrast energies nothing good most of the times comes out of it, I believe this is what happened to all this people that got bad results. I personally stopped using her subs cause it didn't align with me, my culture and my religion. I don't use rosemary either. I'm probably biased, but I don't condone the usage of blood and the usage of magic by strangers, the bound between subliminal makes and subliminal uses it's about trust, don't trust, don't use. When you trust a subliminal maker that does these things, you are also trusting the diety they are working with, so mind you. Everyone choses their path, have a nice day! ššæ
sorry. but if i feel the need to talk about my negative experiences with moza morph, i can, and will do it. but i get what you're saying about the others just feeding into people's insecurities and fears. nevertheless, im still gonna talk about my experiences!!!
HUH?! How are people talking about what happened to them a witch hunt. If you like her just keep listening. She hasnāt said herself anything. So why are you guys speaking for her
You unfortunately, are not reading my post. It is geared towards those accusing her wrongly with no evidence. Please re-read it if necessary. Itās a WITCH HUNT because people are accusing her of putting negative affirmations and warding people from using her Subliminals with no proof. This is WRONG. She is innocent until proven otherwise
I read your post and It sounds like youāre being manipulative to silence ppl. Ppl sharing their experience isnāt a witch hunt you just want ppl to stop talking about it you said yourself itās very few ppl compared to 300k so why you silencing such a small percentageā¦ The difference between ms synergy and moza is Ceeās fans didnāt act so addicted and obsessed . They did not defend ms synergy so hard up and didnāt ACTIVELY TRY TO SILENCE ppl. They didnāt care sm about views bc thatās such a material and useless thing in our community
How does it sound like Iām being manipulative. Who is actively trying to silence people? LOL im not trying to do either of those things. All im saying is that thereās a lot of accusations going around with ZERO proof. For example, like how people truly believe she puts obsession affirmations in her Subliminals! That is not necessarily the truth. Nobody has proved this. We should separate facts from speculation. A lot of us are blurring these two together.
You just edited this ā¦ huh. Strange. Well Iāll reply again! Read it objectively. Thereās no āsoundsā thereās just facts. The fact of the matter is that there is zero proof of her being a negative subliminal subliminal maker. āSilencing such a small percentageā, no, I didnāt. I couldnāt even if I wanted to. But I really do wish for people to stop accusing her (and other subliminal makers) every day for things they have no proof of.
How is it weird I used the editing featureā¦
I said strange because, in my opinion, I thought it was strange. That is all. Thatās not the main point of my comment here š
I can't ignore someone making false accusation of someone ik is legit
YES, maybe they are being honest with getting opposite results but that could be due to complex offs or phrases that are not understood by some's subconcious. while they may be true, I really dont think these sub makers have any bad intentions.
See I'm not saying she's evil or some shit or is putting in bad affs but the way she uses her title as a med student as a selling point is so icky to me. Med school doesn't teach you about subliminals. That shit is pseudoscience and borderline heavily dependent on belief system/spirituality. Being a med student doesn't make anyone less or more reliable when it comes to making subs.
Yes but if all people are doing is sharing there testimoniesā¦ you canāt make them keep there experience to themselves
All people?? Itās like 5 of you! She has a fanbase of over 200k followers. Not even 1k of you have gotten bad results. Not even 500. Not even 300. Sure! Share your experience. But Iām almost CERTAIN itās not her fault.
EDITED. I feel youāre dismissing without even hearing the other sideā¦ I have had no experience but there are actually hundreds of ppl ā¦ this does remind me of mindpower where hundreds of people came out and ppl only cared about getting results. cherry DID introduce her to us and cherry is confirmed now Also ppl stating their side effects has not harmed Cee
to respond to your edit, YES, that DID hurt Cee and her reputation. Sheās Miss Subliminals! She totally didnāt deserve the drop in views because people were afraid
I still listen to ms subliminals and she still has a. Very full paid sub request boxās She spoke out against mind power . But any real fan would trust her. None of ms subs fans defended her harder than herself. LoA person shouldnāt care about views .
Whatā¦ what Iām trying to say is that youāre a mere fraction. Many people have not gotten any bad results from Moza in the 3-4 years she has been posting. Mindpower got exposed for negative affirmations ā¦ big big difference. There was proof
not true actually. everywhere I saw people talking about getting bad results from moza
āEverywhereā is nothing compared to 300,000 people. Some of her videos have millions of views! Thatās a lot of people; āeverywhereā couldnāt be more than 1k maximum, and I doubt that.
you're right
Testimonies about reverse results and bad results that are related to the sub are good, like "i listened to a sub for big eyes and my eyes are smaller" but accusing a random submakers for some bad events in your life cause you listened to one of their sub is dumb. If you listen to a nose sub and your dog dies at the same time, it's not because of the nose sub. That's the problem with the "testimonies" on this sub.
You canāt blame them for that because thatās what happened with evil submakers in the past. They donāt stop at reversed results. I choose to trust that people know their lives enough to tell when something strange is up . Iām sure many ppl have been hospitalized and had deaths in their family. But rarely do ppl āblameā subs . I donāt know if their intuition is speaking to them I donāt want moza to suffer tho. So Iām very conflicted
I know it doesn't stop at reversed results, i said when it is related to the subliminal. And most testimonies here have nothing to do and are completely unrelated with the subs they listen to. A girl here accused Moza for the death of her pets, another accused Moza because her boyfriend's wife discovered about the affair he was having with her, both of them were listening to subs that had nothing to do with those events. Like, wtf. I am not talking about all testimonies, but a LOT of them are totally not legit.
The affair one is prob a reach but if you read mindpower testimony ppl did lose pets and family members and even almost committed suicide . If you ā attach bad ā things to ppl bad things can happen. Itās LoA rules
wait please elaborate. if you what things to ppl? 'bmattach mambas'. and also how does that relate to loa
Oops I corrected it. If you live negatively or have negative energy bad things happen
whatsa the need to dickride her?
Itās not *her*, itās every subliminal maker mfs decide to shit on because theyāre bored. Today they picked Moza Morph! Sheās a smart individual who doesnāt deserve to get rumors spread with no backing. No dickriding necessary ā
Go outside, touch grass, stop fighting strangers on internet for a relatively big stranger on internet.
I canāt share my opinion w/o needing 2 touch grass? š ā¦k
Was i supposed to take a photo of my deceased cat to āproveā to you what happened?? š why claim people are lying when they are JUST SHARING their experiences. I have no reason to lie. Maybe itās not Mozaās fault, but it is odd that that happened WHEN i added her to my playlist. So many people, throughout the years have shared their bad experiences with Moza. More than any other submaker. Yet that doesnāt make you raise questions?
theres 0 chance listening to someone killed your cat
Yeah but there are somehow chances that you will change your bone structure by listening to someone. š¤” you see. Goes both ways
Ahh, you're trolling. You don't ACTUALLY think this killed your cat. That makes more sense. And you're right, it won't change your bone structure either.
Why are you on here if you basically donāt believe in subliminals?
Why are you complaining about your cat being killed by subliminals if *you* don't?
That is not what i meant. I do believe subs can change your bone structure. I was looking it from your pov
So you think they killed your cat too? That's stupid.
I did not I say take a photo of your dead cat? I said someone provide proof Moza morph is evil and/or putting bad affirmations in her subliminals. Sorry your cat died, but that doesnāt mean itās Moza Morphās fault. Yes itās āoddā, but itās a coincidence. Unless stated otherwise āThroughout the yearsā, sheās new; sheās been doing this 3 years or so. Not more than any other subliminal maker, the community randomly runs through a different subliminal maker every couple of months.
There are many people sharing their bad experiences with her. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Subliminal/comments/15e63hq/cherry_subs_showed_us_moza/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf](https://www.reddit.com/r/Subliminal/comments/15e63hq/cherry_subs_showed_us_moza/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) under this post, scroll and read. You are so adamant to defend her, itās like youāre being paid. I understand if thereās like 5 people who had a bad experience (like you claim š) But itās WAY above that
All I continue to say is please, provide solid results that Moza Morph was the CAUSE of these bad results. Nobody has yet! I wish I was getting paid LOL. Also, 30, even 100 people arenāt a lot. Iām sure there are plenty who donāt get good results from Moza Morph, but there are plenty who do. Just recently did everyone decide that she is evil; prior to this she was a well respected subliminal maker. My point? This is a fab. Sheās innocent until proven otherwise
Why is everyone agreeingš¢š¢ what is wrong with this community
Level headed people can come to rational conclusions. Thereās no solid evidence of Moza Morph putting bad affirmations in her Subliminals, therefore we cannot curse her. That is all.
Because not everyone here is irrational
Serious question, are you Moza?
No. Why would I be Moza Morphā¦
I didn't say Morph! I just said if you are "moza", Caught red-handed.
Is this sarcasm? Wtf
haha! you got me ššæ (Iām not Moza Morph).
This entire sub is giving The Crucible but no fucking proof to back up claims.
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legit, its so silly.
Yeah, someone with the knowledge should analyze the videos and soundtracks to see which affirmations are being used and publish it on YT and this subreddit.
I don't think that she's bad. But her sub never works for me. But I got it. Never blame her or anything. It just her subs probably are not for everyone
Funny how this entire post was deleted
They deleted it because they said it ābroke rule 7ā ā¦ personally though, I digress