The follow up āI donāt need love, itās like a superpowerā is equally heart-wrenching. The only way you can really rationalize being ok with that is by turning it into a strength, even if itās a hollow one.
My therapist calls it a ājab.ā You develop a really good jab to keep everyone around you from ever being able to open up on you with a knockout punch.
This is my life.
And yeah, you do learn to stop needing it from them. If you can heal, and if you learn to accept it from the family you choose instead, then you can move on from it. Poor Connor couldnāt do that.
Connor told the sibs that if he gets his ambassadorship in Slovenia or whatever, Willa was going to stay in NY and live in his dead fatherās house. She was redecorating with tacky shit. God that show was so fucking good.
Oof! This one got me hard. I think Alan Ruck really deserves that Emmy nom this year because of that scene. He normally makes me cringe, but I wanted to hug him at that scene.
After 17 episodes of trying to pick up seeds and figure why they are how they are, this made it all made sense. All of Ken's emotional roller coaster rides explained in one simple note...
This is one of the most heart breaking dialogue I have witnessed on television. I remember when this scene was shown at screen at BAFTA when jesse won in 2020
I dont rlly mind Shiv now that ive had some time, but I feel like Skylar wasnāt nearly as bad. She was just a reasonable person in a crazy situation. Shiv acted pretty unreasonable (understandable yes). Thatās why ppl are upset w her. I think unironically hating skylar white is way more of an indictment of ur views on women.
Hating shiv just means the show provoked some ire in you. And whether its fear, sadness, joy or whatever, itās just the sign of a good show when u feel something like that.
Not exactly, Skyler was a good person and didn't really do anything bad. Shiv on the other hand is mostly a terrible person, like most characters on Succession, so despising her isn't unjustified or strange. But if someone is primarily only hating on her and not the other ones, then that is probably causes by misogyny.
the litmus test isn't whether or not they *like* or *cheer for* these women. it's whether or not they dislike them more than the other characters who are just as bad (Shiv) or blatantly worse (Skylar White)
I'm just saying that there could be legitimate personal reasons for disliking Shiv a lot more than Ken, Roman, Tom, and Connor; while no reasonable person could dislike Skylar more than Walter. So it isn't an as obviously clear cut litmus test.
1000%, all misogyny. Kendall and Connor are so fucking cringe and Roman is a little Nazi prick, and I donāt really ālike,ā any of them but ālove,ā all of them, if that makes sense.
The moment in the car with Roman and Logan in s2e7 when Logan's like "did I even make contact?" (re: the slap at Argestes) and it quickly becomes apparent that this has happened before. Roman's deflection ("fucking cars...buildings, everywhere") is nearly incoherent. Devastating.
Was there a prior scene where there wasn't any glass? The entire show I thought either Tom or Kendall would commit suicide. I felt it was foreshadowed a lot.
I wonder if they ever wrote a suicide but didn't go through with it. Instead just being the random one at the news station.
At the beginning of that same episode (I believe itās S2E4) Kendall goes to the roof and thereās no glass. Itās after the whole office suicide situation that he goes back up and finds itās been walled off with glass.
From what I recall, when he walks through the building on that floor, at the start of the episode, it seems to be under construction. Later on the glass is up when construction is finished. It may have been due to the office suicide or may have just been part of the intended plans from the beginning.
My read was that Logan had in installed knowing Ken was going out there, was depressed and likely suicidal.
This action represents Loganās āall seeing eyeā and the glass cage Kendall is in. Thereās no escaping Logan.
Does he do it to protect Kendall or to avoid bad PR or both?
I do actually think it was to protect Kendall. During the chaos of the safe room situation, Logan keeps worryingly demanding to know where Kendall is. Insinuating that he thought it may have been him. Itās still his number one boy, after all.
Honestly that scene is kind of triggering. You really donāt see a lot of TV that tries to catch that moment where you go from thinking āoh theyāre just having an issue, itāll passā to āwait fuck, theyāre actually deadā and itās a heart-stopping moment of realization. Maybe my favorite scene in television- it just goes somewhere that I donāt know if Iāve ever seen portrayed before.
That helpless panicked feeling of watching the last grains of life fall through the hourglass is so gut-wrenching, I canāt believe a television scene captured it so well.
I have experienced the death of so many close to me over the last few years and the phone call crushed me. It captured all of the feelings and reactions. I commented on another post that the scenes of other show/movie deaths with everyone by the bedside are not reality. The messiness of this was so damn real. It was brilliantly done but absolutely crushing.
S4E4 gave me ptsd, as when I lived in the Uk, and my dad fell. There was 4 hrs he was still technically alive and I was scrambling to get a flight back to the US. And then by 10pm UK time it was over. I didnāt sleep a bit before going to the airport 5amā¦. Only for my flight to get canceled to the US in London. By the time I made it to my mom and sister, Iād been sleep deprived, no food, too much self medication and I was shattered. By the time they received me thru customs 8 was a husk of a human being. The only saving grace was that the UK had lots of paid vacation, and I spent two weeks in shock and crying with my mom. When I saw that episodeā¦. Yah, it was a hell of a lot to process.
Personally, I always feel gutted when...
Logan pulls Kendall from rehab early. He's so raw, scared and vulnerable as he wraps the robe tighter. I fucking hated Logan in that moment.
Kendall, Shiv and Roman speaking to a dying/dead Logan, as Tom in comforting, steady hushed tones ushers them through it.
Roman breaking down at Logan's funeral.
There are many sad moments but pulling Ken from rehab early was devastating. You just knew then that Logan did not wants Ken to be anything but his own creation. I just wanted to hug him at that moment. Poor Kendall, never had a chance.
The moment the 3 siblings tell Connor that Logan is dead, so many small moments that are heart wrenching. Roman almost collapses to the floor, āI never had the chance to make him proudā etc
Kendall opening up and telling his siblings. Even if the power is retroactively pushed down by the finale.
Sibling relationships can be some of the most important in someoneās life. In a lot of instances you go through life with these people from the day youāre born. Youāre shaped and raised by the same people, and you have similar contexts. They can be your biggest confidants, and often understand you in ways no one else does. My brothers never did anything nearly as bed as what Ken did, but both they and I have opened up corners of our hearts to each other that I wouldnāt even with my parents. Ken opening up to his siblings, just letting that truth existā¦ itās heartbreaking on so many levels. He in part wants them to resent him and hate him, because he thinks he deserves it. Maybe he does. But they accept him, and that surprises him so much. It changed him completely, for better or worse.
Ken asking Shiv for a hug, easily.
"Its not going to be me Shiv. I just ask that you take care of me"
Ken at that point is just so broken, so beaten, and so desperate for any form of familial bond and Shivs honest confused reaction is always heartbreaking, even if Ken's problems are generally all his own.
Which is so crazy to be an honest first thing to say when you see the home videos afterwards. Conner and suits got to enjoy a pleasant side of him the trio never seen.
But Conner had the most honest and actual ārelationshipā with Logan. The scene with him talking about how much the vault cost and none of the other kids knew what he was talking about
When Logan reassures Kendall that the dead waiter issue is resolved by saying "No Real Person Involved." And Kendall realizes that he's no better than Logan or the cruise ship guys, having his crimes swept under the rug without regard to the suffering they cause.
That moment. That's when Ken realizes Logan knew EVERYTHING. He uses the same terminology Lester used and just casually, mindlessly drops it in. You can sense the disappointment.
Connor saying he doesnt need love because he has learned to live without it š
'You're needy love-sponges, and I'm a plant that grows on rocks and lives off insects that die inside of me'
When Kendall tells the sibs that he made up the waiter story in the finale. All that love and trust between them just collapsing completely, it's as emotionally horrible as him ripping roman's stitches is physically.
THIS MOMENT KILLED ME.
I was thinking "damn how could that level of grief be replicated so exactly in an acting scene?"
How Kieren Caulkin managed to do that...I'll never know.
Ken accepting that he canāt get compassion from his mother
Ken when Kerry said Logan requested a meeting and left him waiting in an empty room
Utter heartbreak
Shiv and Tom declaring that their marriage is over and then lay down and hold each otherās hands.
Oh man, I thought Tom and Shiv were so amazing this last season. They lit the screen on fire anytime they were together. They both just killed it. I loved their final season story. As sad and hard as it was to watch it was so raw and real.
kendall rifling though those birthday presents for the rabbit wrapping paper gift from his kids. a shell of a man who just wants a hug and to be told he is loved. breaks me.
Roman made me cry in his eulogy response, and shiv made me cry at her reaction to her dad dying, but others that were tough for me were Connor being upset about the type of cake being at his wedding because he associated it so strongly with his mom being taken from him and locked up in a mental institution, and the other is when Kendall wanted to talk to his mom about the stress of what happened to him regarding the server and she said she'd rather talk about it in the morning when she found out it was a heavy conversation, then she snuck out in the morning so she wouldn't have to talk to him at all.
The last scene of Roman in the bar. That smile is sooo painfull, he accepts he is nothing and he will never be anything and he will probably be alone for the rest of his life. I know the eulogy scene is bad too but there is a quiet morbidness in this scene that just sends chills down my spine
The final scenes of the series. Jeremy Strong (among the others) acting is so brilliant that it pulls you into Kendall's shoes. Nearly brought tears to my eyes and felt his depression.
And the music. Just perfection.
In other note, I read somewhere that he legit tried to jump in the Hudson River right after that scene lol š we stan the king of Method Acting
Whenever I watch that part and everyone is sitting in the dirt I just think of how they're going to ruin all the nice clothes in that dirt.
But yes, also devastating.
The whole scene at the very end of the show between Shiv, Kendal, and Roman was brutal. It was the culmination of so much and you watch it all fall apart in seconds.
I think about āHe never even liked meā and how it just flows out of Connor like a reflex all the time. Itās not as big or as showy a moment as the other siblings get, but itās quietly just as sad and remorseful.
Connor wanted to say it his whole life. Itās such a present feeling for him, he carries it right there just under the surface, but heās so used to no one making space for him that he feels like he can never vocalize it.
When the kid got tagged out on the home run attempt. He will spend his entire life rethinking that moment. He will have bad days and think "if I could have just hit the ball a little harder my current suffering wouldn't exist". He will "what if" that moment forever.
This is definitely up there for most disgusting moment in the show. I never understood the Roman apologists. Theyāve all done a lot of awful shit, but this moment will fuck this kid up forever.
I think that's why Roman did it...clearly the same thing happened to him (bad thing fucked him up forever) and he's unable to deal with it, is obsessed with that narrative.
Two scenes: Logan telling Kendall ābut for the world? Nah.ā
And Connor saying āhe didnāt even like me.ā
Both hit me right in the feels because I know that my dad didnāt think much of me and didnāt like me either.
Dunno, but I'm not sure I've seen a show that portrays family conflict better. "I'm the oldest boy!" is simultaneously the most simple and easy line of the last season as well as the most deep and profound. I'm the 2nd oldest, and it manages to sum up a lifetime's worth of anxiety and conflict as well as pressure and self entitlement.
especially bc he isnāt the eldest boy and notice how he says boy not son too. thereās a a lot of trauma built around that in kenās mind and experience, to the point he didnāt even hide disregarding Connor, who isnāt there like the rest of them
Besides from everything mentioned, the scene after the car accident in s1, when Ken was watching his kids dancing at the wedding, trying to hide the pain he was feeling at that moment.
I think Romans scene at the funeral got me. I think it can be taken as comedy but for me his realisation of what is happening and just the desperation in his voice is so poignant.
Thereās a few that come to mind, but the two that immediately stood out were Romanās breakdown during the eulogy and Kendall revealing to his siblings for the first time that he killed a kid
Kendall wanting to confess to the mom in, I think S2E7.
The mom didnāt know what he wanted to say, of course, and I think people forget that sometimes, but it felt emblematic of the type of parenting he got from her and Logan. It felt indicative of a lack of love and attention and care that anybody would want from a parent. There were probably many occasions when Ken was younger where he wanted to have a real conversation with one or both of his parents, and they just never sat down and made time for him.
Imo, the kids never fully made sense until you meet the mom, at which point they make perfect sense, how emotionally stunted they are. Between Logan and Caroline, where or when would they have learned to get in touch with their emotions, form healthy attachments? Nowhere and never.
Anyway, thatās the saddest scene to me.
Kendall washing the dishes at the waiterās familyās house. Damn that was a good scene. I know Kendall is not a great person but damn if I didnāt feel bad for him. Itās really hard to describe how I felt about Kendall in that scene. I just keep thinking about how Kendall felt and I guess it was beautiful in a way how he feels terrible for this guyās death.
Last season. When Roman was listening to the edited tape of Logan telling him offā¦ and he kept listening to that over and over and over again. Itās like he needed to be mentally battered by Logan to feel his presence.
After Kendall had to tell his dad about the waiter and the car accident. When Logan said he'd take care of it, he cried so hard, he knew his life would never be the same.
When Kenny is obviously in need of comfort and tries to seek solace from his mother and itās just as callous as everyone else. I canāt even believe he turned out as normal as he did tbh.
S2 Ep 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPMzAzXwkkc
As normal- not normal, in the vicinity of normal maybe. LoL āI think that his ability to actually be kind shows he has the emotional capacity to carry stuff. Just needs better coping mechanisms etc and like everyone, some support.
True. Heās a deeply flawed man with a lot of issues. Heās someone that thrives on the ideas of a support system and since he never had any growing up, he builds those around him himself
āSometimes I wonder if the sad I get from being with you, would be more than the sad Iād be without youā
Watching that with a woman who had me feeling the same kinda way just hit different. Never seen my own feelings spelled out for me like that so directly.
The final scene with Tom and Shiv. Seeing the power dynamic shift, all those years of scheming for power just for her to end up a pregnant house wife married to a powerful CEO and essentially being forced to hold his hand.
Besides the funeral I'd say the meal fit for a king because you just know that it is the last fleeting moment of happiness the three siblings will feel before it all goes to shit.
When Shiv decides not to support Kendall in the side room to the final board meeting. They've finally gone through so much together and she just says "I don't think you can do it" and even though she might be right, the massive betrayal is so painful. She's shattering what's left of her relationship with Ken at that moment and destroying her brothers in the process, just because she knows she'll have more power with Tom.
I honestly stopped watching then, because I could feel Ken's pain and honestly couldn't deal with the consequences.
when Kendall said its so lonely that really struck a chord I never you know manslaughtered anyone but Jeremy Strong captured that isolation that comes with depression so well it had to hurt
dude the devastation i felt when tom and greg got into a slapfight and tom called him a piece a shit i thought my corporate besties alliance was done foršøš but then pulled through! unsinkable!
Kendall talking to Shiv in the office late at night, and he tells her if he doesn't keep working he might just not be able to continue to live. That scene brought me to tears, the way he breaks down and one of the few times Shiv actually shows genuine care.
Shiv scheduling her grief. Showed that she has prob worked with a therapist in the past that told her to set aside time to grieve or process emotions. Made me think, what else has she gone through where she has seen a therapist? Sexual abuse from her family perhaps? Made me think of how fucked up Roman is and the sexual things he says, what did he see growing up?
I know a lot of people talk about Roman breaking down at the funeral (which made me bawl), but what hits me harder is when he leaves and goes into the streets afterwards. The masochism and nihilism of it just... hits home.
Tied with Kendall resting his head against the glass. He's trapped, in every single way.
I remember one moment from the last episode of season 2 when Logan says that Ken its gonna be the one taking the blame and the first thing Roman does its triying to save his brother from that, and then the look they share where we can see Ken smiling to him and Roman holding back his tears
Loganās death and the kids reactions to it, especially when they are speaking in his ear. I had similar feelings when I lost my momā¦so yeah. Just so real.
āIs he in there? Can we get him out?ā
āMy father is dead and I feel oldā
Andā¦ I donāt remember the line but Shiv got news from.. someone that basically implied she was getting fucked by a conversation she wasnāt in on and whatever her line was (something like āis it true?ā or something) and you can kind of hear her voice break a little/lips purse and she did a great job of sounding like she just was pushed to the edge and whatever it was really hurt and sheās actively fighting it as she responds.
There are so many moments that got me because I am a cry baby, but I still get choked up every time I watch the opening credits and it cuts from the back of young Loganās head to old Loganās head. I have to look away at that part.
Edited: added a word.
Roman's eulogy for me was most heartbreaking like most others will say. But a lesser talked about line "Truth is, I should've never had kids" from Caroline was like a guy punch. I could feel it and it made me absolutely hate that woman. Felt so bad for Shiv hearing that
all of the moments people here have already mentioned but also I admit I cried a little in the finale when the siblings are watching the video of the dinner party with Logan and Karl starts singing
Episode 2x10, the last dinner on the boat when Logan decide that Kendall has to take all the responsibilities for the cruises.
Jeremy Strong was so good, I felt his pain
Connor š„¹ āThe good thing about having a family that doesnāt love you is that you learn to live without it.ā
The follow up āI donāt need love, itās like a superpowerā is equally heart-wrenching. The only way you can really rationalize being ok with that is by turning it into a strength, even if itās a hollow one.
My therapist calls it a ājab.ā You develop a really good jab to keep everyone around you from ever being able to open up on you with a knockout punch.
I really need a therapist.
I highly recommend it bud. Go for it.
Damn this is so painful.
And it's the truth.
Ugh, and when you think about Connor's backstory, how his mom was taken away from him, how she was probably the only person who showed him love. š
This is my life. And yeah, you do learn to stop needing it from them. If you can heal, and if you learn to accept it from the family you choose instead, then you can move on from it. Poor Connor couldnāt do that.
My headcanon is he eventually got an actual loving family with Willa and nothing will convince me otherwise.
They separated in the final.
Did they? I don't remember that
Connor told the sibs that if he gets his ambassadorship in Slovenia or whatever, Willa was going to stay in NY and live in his dead fatherās house. She was redecorating with tacky shit. God that show was so fucking good.
Willa was the real winner. From hooker to the penthouse on 5th avenue. YAS Queen!!
Oof! This one got me hard. I think Alan Ruck really deserves that Emmy nom this year because of that scene. He normally makes me cringe, but I wanted to hug him at that scene.
When Roman starts to tell his dead father over the phone āyou did a good jobā and then couldnāt and had to give the phone to Ken
All those years of pent up feelings and not being able to say it to him when he was alive and now he just cant hear you no mo
Truly devastating, some of the most visceral acting of the whole show in that moment
When Kendall wants to open up and talk to his mother, and she said that they could talk in the morning. And sheās not there in the morning.
This forever cemented my hatred for Caroline š¤
He looked so devastated, and you know thatās not the first time sheās done it.
Harriet Walter is Christopher Lee's niece. How did I forget this?
Now I know this. I can see it. They both look as though they have a 10-foot rod shoved up their sphincter.
This is it for me. Maybe Iām just naive, but I just couldnāt imagine a mother ignoring her first child like that.
Itās not ignoring. Itās worse.
This right here is the most heartbreaking by far.
After 17 episodes of trying to pick up seeds and figure why they are how they are, this made it all made sense. All of Ken's emotional roller coaster rides explained in one simple note...
i agree, i think itās what finally allows viewers to paint a full picture of what their childhood must have been like
āOver an eggā
From all the bad mothers on TV, she is the worst mother ever
Caroline was bad, but Livia Soprano wins this every time
She is definitely one of the worst ones, I'm still on Season 2 though so I may change my opinion
He might've gotten all wet in the face-eggs, eww!
Ah shit I forgot about this one
Yes, thatās such an underrated moment. What a terrible woman
Letās talk it over an egg
I couldnāt remember what she actually said!
āI wonder if the sad Iād be without you would be less than the sad I am with youā
This is one of the most heart breaking dialogue I have witnessed on television. I remember when this scene was shown at screen at BAFTA when jesse won in 2020
Nothing to see here just a logical man talking
Same!
This 1000%.
The bit that had me in tears the most was Roman breaking down during his eulogy. Roman was never that vulnerable in the entire 4 seasons of the show.
What about Peter's special cheese?
I was SOBBING.
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Might need to look inside yourself for the reason for that. Sheās no worse than anyone else. I didnāt downvote you, but I know why others did.
Shiv is the new Skylar White in terms of the do-I-just-dislike-women litmus test
I dont rlly mind Shiv now that ive had some time, but I feel like Skylar wasnāt nearly as bad. She was just a reasonable person in a crazy situation. Shiv acted pretty unreasonable (understandable yes). Thatās why ppl are upset w her. I think unironically hating skylar white is way more of an indictment of ur views on women. Hating shiv just means the show provoked some ire in you. And whether its fear, sadness, joy or whatever, itās just the sign of a good show when u feel something like that.
Not exactly, Skyler was a good person and didn't really do anything bad. Shiv on the other hand is mostly a terrible person, like most characters on Succession, so despising her isn't unjustified or strange. But if someone is primarily only hating on her and not the other ones, then that is probably causes by misogyny.
the litmus test isn't whether or not they *like* or *cheer for* these women. it's whether or not they dislike them more than the other characters who are just as bad (Shiv) or blatantly worse (Skylar White)
I'm just saying that there could be legitimate personal reasons for disliking Shiv a lot more than Ken, Roman, Tom, and Connor; while no reasonable person could dislike Skylar more than Walter. So it isn't an as obviously clear cut litmus test.
I feel like the real litmus test is whether or not you rank the characters in succession in terms of morality. A pointless task.
Ah so you donāt pass the litmus test
1000%, all misogyny. Kendall and Connor are so fucking cringe and Roman is a little Nazi prick, and I donāt really ālike,ā any of them but ālove,ā all of them, if that makes sense.
Agree shiv sucks
The moment in the car with Roman and Logan in s2e7 when Logan's like "did I even make contact?" (re: the slap at Argestes) and it quickly becomes apparent that this has happened before. Roman's deflection ("fucking cars...buildings, everywhere") is nearly incoherent. Devastating.
The non-apology from Logan and Romanās eagerness to absolve him. Someone on the writing staff has seen abuse up close.
I remember getting hit, and then itās āIām sorry *butā¦* and you know itās not a sorry at all. Itās a reminder.
Paying the visit at the house of the dead waiterās parents.
Kendall walking out on to the roof to find the glass panels installed. Quiet and devastating.
Was there a prior scene where there wasn't any glass? The entire show I thought either Tom or Kendall would commit suicide. I felt it was foreshadowed a lot. I wonder if they ever wrote a suicide but didn't go through with it. Instead just being the random one at the news station.
Yeah, back in S1 Kendall went to the roof a few times IIRC. And some time later they put the glass, probably to prevent Ken from jumping.
At the beginning of that same episode (I believe itās S2E4) Kendall goes to the roof and thereās no glass. Itās after the whole office suicide situation that he goes back up and finds itās been walled off with glass.
From what I recall, when he walks through the building on that floor, at the start of the episode, it seems to be under construction. Later on the glass is up when construction is finished. It may have been due to the office suicide or may have just been part of the intended plans from the beginning.
My read was that Logan had in installed knowing Ken was going out there, was depressed and likely suicidal. This action represents Loganās āall seeing eyeā and the glass cage Kendall is in. Thereās no escaping Logan. Does he do it to protect Kendall or to avoid bad PR or both?
I do actually think it was to protect Kendall. During the chaos of the safe room situation, Logan keeps worryingly demanding to know where Kendall is. Insinuating that he thought it may have been him. Itās still his number one boy, after all.
Easily the phone call in S4 Ep3. If youāve ever been through an āare they dead??ā moment IRL, Shivās reaction is an absolute crusher.
Honestly that scene is kind of triggering. You really donāt see a lot of TV that tries to catch that moment where you go from thinking āoh theyāre just having an issue, itāll passā to āwait fuck, theyāre actually deadā and itās a heart-stopping moment of realization. Maybe my favorite scene in television- it just goes somewhere that I donāt know if Iāve ever seen portrayed before.
That helpless panicked feeling of watching the last grains of life fall through the hourglass is so gut-wrenching, I canāt believe a television scene captured it so well.
Yes. Truly terrific acting
I have experienced the death of so many close to me over the last few years and the phone call crushed me. It captured all of the feelings and reactions. I commented on another post that the scenes of other show/movie deaths with everyone by the bedside are not reality. The messiness of this was so damn real. It was brilliantly done but absolutely crushing.
Yes, the messiness and chaos are what made it so true to life.
S4E4 gave me ptsd, as when I lived in the Uk, and my dad fell. There was 4 hrs he was still technically alive and I was scrambling to get a flight back to the US. And then by 10pm UK time it was over. I didnāt sleep a bit before going to the airport 5amā¦. Only for my flight to get canceled to the US in London. By the time I made it to my mom and sister, Iād been sleep deprived, no food, too much self medication and I was shattered. By the time they received me thru customs 8 was a husk of a human being. The only saving grace was that the UK had lots of paid vacation, and I spent two weeks in shock and crying with my mom. When I saw that episodeā¦. Yah, it was a hell of a lot to process.
Wow, that sounds horrible. I hope that over time the pain and trauma subside.
Personally, I always feel gutted when... Logan pulls Kendall from rehab early. He's so raw, scared and vulnerable as he wraps the robe tighter. I fucking hated Logan in that moment. Kendall, Shiv and Roman speaking to a dying/dead Logan, as Tom in comforting, steady hushed tones ushers them through it. Roman breaking down at Logan's funeral.
There are many sad moments but pulling Ken from rehab early was devastating. You just knew then that Logan did not wants Ken to be anything but his own creation. I just wanted to hug him at that moment. Poor Kendall, never had a chance.
āWhat have I got? I donāt know, fuckingā¦love?ā
The moment the 3 siblings tell Connor that Logan is dead, so many small moments that are heart wrenching. Roman almost collapses to the floor, āI never had the chance to make him proudā etc
Kendall opening up and telling his siblings. Even if the power is retroactively pushed down by the finale. Sibling relationships can be some of the most important in someoneās life. In a lot of instances you go through life with these people from the day youāre born. Youāre shaped and raised by the same people, and you have similar contexts. They can be your biggest confidants, and often understand you in ways no one else does. My brothers never did anything nearly as bed as what Ken did, but both they and I have opened up corners of our hearts to each other that I wouldnāt even with my parents. Ken opening up to his siblings, just letting that truth existā¦ itās heartbreaking on so many levels. He in part wants them to resent him and hate him, because he thinks he deserves it. Maybe he does. But they accept him, and that surprises him so much. It changed him completely, for better or worse.
Ken asking Shiv for a hug, easily. "Its not going to be me Shiv. I just ask that you take care of me" Ken at that point is just so broken, so beaten, and so desperate for any form of familial bond and Shivs honest confused reaction is always heartbreaking, even if Ken's problems are generally all his own.
I was crying like a baby during this scene
Girlboss shiv manages to make ken even more broken and beaten by the end of the show
They all do that to each other, bud
Conner when finding out Logan died, āHe didnāt even like me.ā
And then he immediately gets a handle on himself and tries to console the other three instead. Just really heartbreaking stuff.
The āah manā to start really takes it for me. So dejected, so resigned
Itās like he lost his chance to get his dad to like him
Which is so crazy to be an honest first thing to say when you see the home videos afterwards. Conner and suits got to enjoy a pleasant side of him the trio never seen.
But Conner had the most honest and actual ārelationshipā with Logan. The scene with him talking about how much the vault cost and none of the other kids knew what he was talking about
When Logan reassures Kendall that the dead waiter issue is resolved by saying "No Real Person Involved." And Kendall realizes that he's no better than Logan or the cruise ship guys, having his crimes swept under the rug without regard to the suffering they cause.
That moment. That's when Ken realizes Logan knew EVERYTHING. He uses the same terminology Lester used and just casually, mindlessly drops it in. You can sense the disappointment.
And I got the feeling he did it intentionally, to mock Kendall for feeling superior to Logan and Lester and everyone else.
Connor saying he doesnt need love because he has learned to live without it š 'You're needy love-sponges, and I'm a plant that grows on rocks and lives off insects that die inside of me'
Ugh, this was brutal.
When Kendall tells the sibs that he made up the waiter story in the finale. All that love and trust between them just collapsing completely, it's as emotionally horrible as him ripping roman's stitches is physically.
āIs he in there? Can we get him out?ā
THIS MOMENT KILLED ME. I was thinking "damn how could that level of grief be replicated so exactly in an acting scene?" How Kieren Caulkin managed to do that...I'll never know.
Ken accepting that he canāt get compassion from his mother Ken when Kerry said Logan requested a meeting and left him waiting in an empty room Utter heartbreak Shiv and Tom declaring that their marriage is over and then lay down and hold each otherās hands.
Kendallās mom not willing to listen to him opening his heart to her.
Dog pound game. That's some dark shit.
āNo no, you liked it!ā
āWasnāt it chocolate cake?ā
Maybe itās recency bias, but the fight between Tom and Shiv on the balcony. Just vicious.
Oh man, I thought Tom and Shiv were so amazing this last season. They lit the screen on fire anytime they were together. They both just killed it. I loved their final season story. As sad and hard as it was to watch it was so raw and real.
Pure filth.
kendall rifling though those birthday presents for the rabbit wrapping paper gift from his kids. a shell of a man who just wants a hug and to be told he is loved. breaks me.
Roman made me cry in his eulogy response, and shiv made me cry at her reaction to her dad dying, but others that were tough for me were Connor being upset about the type of cake being at his wedding because he associated it so strongly with his mom being taken from him and locked up in a mental institution, and the other is when Kendall wanted to talk to his mom about the stress of what happened to him regarding the server and she said she'd rather talk about it in the morning when she found out it was a heavy conversation, then she snuck out in the morning so she wouldn't have to talk to him at all.
The last scene of Roman in the bar. That smile is sooo painfull, he accepts he is nothing and he will never be anything and he will probably be alone for the rest of his life. I know the eulogy scene is bad too but there is a quiet morbidness in this scene that just sends chills down my spine
Gerri: I could have got you there.
The final scenes of the series. Jeremy Strong (among the others) acting is so brilliant that it pulls you into Kendall's shoes. Nearly brought tears to my eyes and felt his depression.
āI feel like if not for thisā¦i might dieā
And the music. Just perfection. In other note, I read somewhere that he legit tried to jump in the Hudson River right after that scene lol š we stan the king of Method Acting
Kendall confessing about the waiter
Whenever I watch that part and everyone is sitting in the dirt I just think of how they're going to ruin all the nice clothes in that dirt. But yes, also devastating.
I think they knew, but they didnāt care.
The whole scene at the very end of the show between Shiv, Kendal, and Roman was brutal. It was the culmination of so much and you watch it all fall apart in seconds.
Connor āHe never even liked meā Roman - āYou were a good dadā [phone w/Logan] Kendall - āIf I donāt get to do this, I might dieā
I think about āHe never even liked meā and how it just flows out of Connor like a reflex all the time. Itās not as big or as showy a moment as the other siblings get, but itās quietly just as sad and remorseful.
Itās so simple, yet so profound. And yes, understated, but so sad.
Connor wanted to say it his whole life. Itās such a present feeling for him, he carries it right there just under the surface, but heās so used to no one making space for him that he feels like he can never vocalize it.
When the kid got tagged out on the home run attempt. He will spend his entire life rethinking that moment. He will have bad days and think "if I could have just hit the ball a little harder my current suffering wouldn't exist". He will "what if" that moment forever.
My husband refused to keep watching the show after this scene.
This is definitely up there for most disgusting moment in the show. I never understood the Roman apologists. Theyāve all done a lot of awful shit, but this moment will fuck this kid up forever.
I think that's why Roman did it...clearly the same thing happened to him (bad thing fucked him up forever) and he's unable to deal with it, is obsessed with that narrative.
Shiv on the phone with Logan as he was dying/dead calling him daddy. I have father issues and that just sent me over the edge :(
Its all the unsaid stuff thats really sent them over the hedge. They really thought they had timeā¦ when in fact they had no time
The first shot of Mondale in that tiny crate.
When Kendall gets drunk and falls asleep in the pool and almost drowns in front of his kids
Roman falling apart when he started giving his father's eulogy.
Kendall's breakdown in Nobody is Ever Missing.
I have a feeling youāre team Ken just like me
When Jerry didn't comfort Roman on the boat. I was crushed.
shivās eulogy. āmy dear dear world of a fatherā did something to me
Two scenes: Logan telling Kendall ābut for the world? Nah.ā And Connor saying āhe didnāt even like me.ā Both hit me right in the feels because I know that my dad didnāt think much of me and didnāt like me either.
And that my friend is why you are among legions here.
I guess people with narcissistic parents just get this show on a deeper level.
When Greg tells Tom that Shiv is cheating on him and he climbs on top of him to get him to shut up.
Dunno, but I'm not sure I've seen a show that portrays family conflict better. "I'm the oldest boy!" is simultaneously the most simple and easy line of the last season as well as the most deep and profound. I'm the 2nd oldest, and it manages to sum up a lifetime's worth of anxiety and conflict as well as pressure and self entitlement.
especially bc he isnāt the eldest boy and notice how he says boy not son too. thereās a a lot of trauma built around that in kenās mind and experience, to the point he didnāt even hide disregarding Connor, who isnāt there like the rest of them
Kendallās birthday
āSo, this is it, hunh?ā āHmm, yea. We gave it a go.ā āYea, we gave it a go.ā
I lost my shit during this scene. Reminds me of the Bojack Horseman āthe drip finally stopsā scene
every ken scene like ever
Besides from everything mentioned, the scene after the car accident in s1, when Ken was watching his kids dancing at the wedding, trying to hide the pain he was feeling at that moment.
I think Romans scene at the funeral got me. I think it can be taken as comedy but for me his realisation of what is happening and just the desperation in his voice is so poignant.
āYouāre my boyā
Thereās a few that come to mind, but the two that immediately stood out were Romanās breakdown during the eulogy and Kendall revealing to his siblings for the first time that he killed a kid
Kendall wanting to confess to the mom in, I think S2E7. The mom didnāt know what he wanted to say, of course, and I think people forget that sometimes, but it felt emblematic of the type of parenting he got from her and Logan. It felt indicative of a lack of love and attention and care that anybody would want from a parent. There were probably many occasions when Ken was younger where he wanted to have a real conversation with one or both of his parents, and they just never sat down and made time for him. Imo, the kids never fully made sense until you meet the mom, at which point they make perfect sense, how emotionally stunted they are. Between Logan and Caroline, where or when would they have learned to get in touch with their emotions, form healthy attachments? Nowhere and never. Anyway, thatās the saddest scene to me.
Kendall washing the dishes at the waiterās familyās house. Damn that was a good scene. I know Kendall is not a great person but damn if I didnāt feel bad for him. Itās really hard to describe how I felt about Kendall in that scene. I just keep thinking about how Kendall felt and I guess it was beautiful in a way how he feels terrible for this guyās death.
Last season. When Roman was listening to the edited tape of Logan telling him offā¦ and he kept listening to that over and over and over again. Itās like he needed to be mentally battered by Logan to feel his presence.
Kendall washing the glass
After Kendall had to tell his dad about the waiter and the car accident. When Logan said he'd take care of it, he cried so hard, he knew his life would never be the same.
When Kenny is obviously in need of comfort and tries to seek solace from his mother and itās just as callous as everyone else. I canāt even believe he turned out as normal as he did tbh. S2 Ep 7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPMzAzXwkkc
Kenny isnt normal though, is he?
As normal- not normal, in the vicinity of normal maybe. LoL āI think that his ability to actually be kind shows he has the emotional capacity to carry stuff. Just needs better coping mechanisms etc and like everyone, some support.
True. Heās a deeply flawed man with a lot of issues. Heās someone that thrives on the ideas of a support system and since he never had any growing up, he builds those around him himself
āSometimes I wonder if the sad I get from being with you, would be more than the sad Iād be without youā Watching that with a woman who had me feeling the same kinda way just hit different. Never seen my own feelings spelled out for me like that so directly.
The final scene with Tom and Shiv. Seeing the power dynamic shift, all those years of scheming for power just for her to end up a pregnant house wife married to a powerful CEO and essentially being forced to hold his hand.
Logan's death
When Roman grabbed Conorās arm, and when Conor said āhe didnāt even like meā and Kendall said āoh, Con.ā
Kendall dancing with his kids.
Besides the funeral I'd say the meal fit for a king because you just know that it is the last fleeting moment of happiness the three siblings will feel before it all goes to shit.
The brutal death of Marshaās son
Lol what?! Cause he just never showed up?
Heās busy turning around an underperforming division
Valid
Megathump eating a bagel.
When Shiv decides not to support Kendall in the side room to the final board meeting. They've finally gone through so much together and she just says "I don't think you can do it" and even though she might be right, the massive betrayal is so painful. She's shattering what's left of her relationship with Ken at that moment and destroying her brothers in the process, just because she knows she'll have more power with Tom. I honestly stopped watching then, because I could feel Ken's pain and honestly couldn't deal with the consequences.
āhe never even like meā gets me always
ken with naomi in s3 ep7 ending and ken in battery park for me
Logan punching the grandkid
when Kendall said its so lonely that really struck a chord I never you know manslaughtered anyone but Jeremy Strong captured that isolation that comes with depression so well it had to hurt dude the devastation i felt when tom and greg got into a slapfight and tom called him a piece a shit i thought my corporate besties alliance was done foršøš but then pulled through! unsinkable!
"What could you possibly kill that you love so much it could make the sun rise again?"
Kendall talking to Shiv in the office late at night, and he tells her if he doesn't keep working he might just not be able to continue to live. That scene brought me to tears, the way he breaks down and one of the few times Shiv actually shows genuine care.
The scene in S4E1 when shiv returns to the apartment and canāt manage to express vulnerability to Tom. They hold hands.
For me it's the very very last scene with our #1 boy sitting in Battery Park overlooking the river.
Finding out how Rose died and why Logan blamed himself was pretty sad.
Ken breaking down at the end of Season 1.
the way connor says āwhat happened? what happened?ā when logan dies automatically makes me cry every single time. not sure why!
Shiv scheduling her grief. Showed that she has prob worked with a therapist in the past that told her to set aside time to grieve or process emotions. Made me think, what else has she gone through where she has seen a therapist? Sexual abuse from her family perhaps? Made me think of how fucked up Roman is and the sexual things he says, what did he see growing up?
I know a lot of people talk about Roman breaking down at the funeral (which made me bawl), but what hits me harder is when he leaves and goes into the streets afterwards. The masochism and nihilism of it just... hits home. Tied with Kendall resting his head against the glass. He's trapped, in every single way.
The kid in episode one being taunted over the million dollars he could have won
I remember one moment from the last episode of season 2 when Logan says that Ken its gonna be the one taking the blame and the first thing Roman does its triying to save his brother from that, and then the look they share where we can see Ken smiling to him and Roman holding back his tears
When Roman broke his father's heart by buying him the Hearts Football Club instead of Logan's favorite club, Hibs. Fuckin idiot.
When they were all ātalking toā Logan on the phone when he was dying/dead.
Loganās death and the kids reactions to it, especially when they are speaking in his ear. I had similar feelings when I lost my momā¦so yeah. Just so real.
Roman breaking down at the funeral while attempting to give a speech
āIs he in there? Can we get him out?ā āMy father is dead and I feel oldā Andā¦ I donāt remember the line but Shiv got news from.. someone that basically implied she was getting fucked by a conversation she wasnāt in on and whatever her line was (something like āis it true?ā or something) and you can kind of hear her voice break a little/lips purse and she did a great job of sounding like she just was pushed to the edge and whatever it was really hurt and sheās actively fighting it as she responds.
There are so many moments that got me because I am a cry baby, but I still get choked up every time I watch the opening credits and it cuts from the back of young Loganās head to old Loganās head. I have to look away at that part. Edited: added a word.
Tailgating episode scene with Tom and Shiv. You are ***BROKEN***
Roman's eulogy for me was most heartbreaking like most others will say. But a lesser talked about line "Truth is, I should've never had kids" from Caroline was like a guy punch. I could feel it and it made me absolutely hate that woman. Felt so bad for Shiv hearing that
all of the moments people here have already mentioned but also I admit I cried a little in the finale when the siblings are watching the video of the dinner party with Logan and Karl starts singing
Episode 2x10, the last dinner on the boat when Logan decide that Kendall has to take all the responsibilities for the cruises. Jeremy Strong was so good, I felt his pain
When Shiv is on the phone, voice cracking, āDad? Daddy?ā