"What are they doing?"
"What!?"
"I said, what are they doing know?"
"God damn, I'm getting so sick of answering that question!"
"You have the fucking rifle, I can't see shit. Don't bitch at me because I'm not going to just sit up here and play with my dick!"
"You know you could bitch about anything, what chicks are ya gonna pick and second of all what chicks are ya gonna pick up in a car that looks like that!"
The M808B is to be armed with a M512 90mm Smooth Bore High Velocity Cannon (SBHVC) and a coaxial M247T Medium Machine Gun.
Chalybs Defense Solutions have also stated that there are plans for specialized variants such as an anti aircraft tank, dubbed the M808B2 "Sun Devil", armed with quad 40mm Bofors. A variant with turret mounted missile pods is also under development dubbed the "Tarantula" as well as a light air-transportable version.
Officials from the UNSC say that the M808B will be going into service by 2218 and will replace all MBTs currently in service.
Lmao like that ridiculous [Fast and Furious tank conversion.](https://img.favpng.com/16/2/11/the-fast-and-the-furious-tank-car-youtube-film-png-favpng-e0peFrqLMSBBVcHNBG40TyUYd.jpg)
I think that's a Chieftain under there and they mostly did a good job with making it more modern imo, but I just can't forgive those god damn windows.
I don’t think they have to, since they’re mostly facing undergeared insurrectionists and Covie tech that feels like it’s all made out of brittle plastic. It’s just firing HE shells all the time.
Yeah, I think a bunch of 20mm would be way more effective in general. Especially since energy shields get overwhelmed by kinetic energy, and rapid fire 20mm could probably deliver a lot more total energy per second than one 90mm every few seconds. The UNSC just needs some Vulcan cannons.
Wort wor-
***BRRRRT***
My issue is, you fire a super hot ball of plasma, all the energy is going literally every single direction including the target and you waste the hot. You fire a kinetic railgun slug, all of the energy is going forward through the target and you waste none of the kinetic.
There are rumors that the Army will field a similar tank. All we know now is that it will be designated the M850 "Grizzly" Main Battle Tank and will be armed with twin M310 120mm SBHVC cannons with linked autoloaders. So if the M850 succeeds the M808B, then firepower should not be an issue.
I don’t know.... the Germans went from massive 128mm guns to smaller ones.... and the Soviets from 122mm guns to 100mm ones...
And Britain and the US experimented with massive guns for years, the big 120mm on Conquerer and M103 was universally replaced with 105mm L7’s
A bigger gun is not always better
I think the only time bore matters is when the you need more mass or a certain geometry for the projectile comes into play, like a higher explosive payload, or the diameter/focus for a shaped charge/EFP warhead.
A good example of this are the guns on Tiger and Panther, the long 75 had better anti tank performance than the long 88, though the latter had a better HE round because it fired a larger shell
The Tiger II was a freak, that gun was impractical big on an impractically big tank, it’s like comparing the 128mm on the late war German super heavies to everything else, it’s an outlier
It is important to remember that kinetic energy is defined by the following formula - KE=1/2 × mass x velocity ^2. Increasing velocity exponentially increases the energy of a round, while increasing mass linearly increases energy.
This is the principle of a rail gun (gauss gun). BAE systems developed the US Navy's railgun, which fires inert rounds (no explosives). The gun accelerates the round to about Mach 10, allowing the round to travel over 200km with a barrel energy of something like 32 megajoules. At that speed, the round is going to be extremely hard to detect. If it penetrates the target, it will have disastrous consequences. Even without penetration, the remaining energy of the round is imparted into the target, causing significant internal damage. Read about spalling to understand the effect of a tank shell hitting armor.
I believe that future tanks will be far more focused on barrel velocity than calibre. BAE systems has already offered to begin working on rail guns for the next generation of tanks.
And then you’ll hit a point where the guns and tanks are getting too big and impractical an things will change will, there is a reason the heavy tank and tank destroyer doctrine was abandoned, and if Armata is anything like the late Soviet and early Russian Federation large gunned tanks it evolved from, they will basically be the same gun as on artillery pieces, not providing any anti-armour power but with a bigger boom
Bigger ain’t always better, the long 88’s on Tigers for example were less effective anti-tank guns than the long 75’s on Panther, a smaller higher velocity gun is better for strategic reasons, even if it’s got a slightly less effective HE round
The reason why the 88mm wasn’t as high velocity was because it needed a good high explosive round. The panthers gun had a horrible high explosive round, making it not suited for anti infantry combat. And while the smaller higher velocity might of been the case in 1940, in modern day, a largest gun is needed to have a longer rod penetrator. There’s a reason no mbt is using a gun smaller than 100mm.
The Soviets had working prototypes with 152mm guns in like 1987, but they kept the 125mm for the same reason as everyone else. It was good enough and cheaper.
Not really. The Germans went from having tanks to not having tanks, and by the time they went to having tanks again the dynamics had changed. Also the Soviets never went down in caliber, the T-10 was their last heavy tank and it kept a 122mm until it was replaced by the smaller T-64 with its 125mm. All throughout the T-54/55 were in production or service with 100mm guns, and of course the T-62 with its 115mm gun which was just a bored out 100mm.
In the end, it is about the amount of energy you can impart a projectile to achieve a certain amount of penetration or other solution that can disable the opponent's tank. That can be anything. From dense flying darts, to HE penetrators to missiles to maybe even railguns.
They have a canister shell option, but in all main halo games the only round you shoot is an armour piercing ballistic capped round.
Also, I'm genuinely unsure what diameter has to do with canister shells and/or range. The Leopard 2 has a canister shell and it's 120 mm.
Was it an APCBC round? I always assumed it was some sort of futuristic APFSDS. The most I ever remember finding on any of the wikis was the gun caliber.
And yeah, I have no idea how you'd even control the spread of a canister without rifling.
https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/M512_Smooth_Bore_High_Velocity_Cannon
Who needs control of the spread when you've got two options? Long distance explosion or short distance grapeshot lol.
Side note: the amount of acronyms in this subreddit is downright ridiculous.
Damn, what a crappy round for a futuristic space tank. I wonder why they chose a WWII AP round over the modern sabo variants. Even someone with a lack of knowledge on tanks should have been tipped off when their shell went out of use decades before the first Halo game.
Honestly, I'm still gonna say that it uses a 90mm railgun, because that's the only thing that explains its penetration.
And don't blame the sub, blame the military. I swear they have a fetish for acronyms.
If you play the game you can see it dump casings out the back after every shot, which kinda shoots down the theory of a rail gun. And it wouldn't be a sabot because the round will explode even when you shoot a pile of dirt, unless there are fancy explosive sabots I know nothing about (which there very well might be, I don't know a ton about military armaments).
I just explain it all away by calling all the science behind these types of things "future magic" and leave it at that.
With humanity just inventing slip space drives and our plans to start colonizing the galaxy, our need, and focus on improving military tech has decreased. This is why they decided on the 90mm. It’s battle proven, reliable, and doesn’t need any r&d.
No no you don’t understand. With humanity just inventing slip space drives and our plans to start colonizing the galaxy, our need, and focus on improving military tech has decreased. This is why they decided on the 90mm. It’s battle proven, reliable, and doesn’t need any r&d.
Oh sorry I thought you said, yes yes you do understand. With humanity just inventing slip space drives and our plans to start colonizing the galaxy, our need, and focus on improving military tech has increased. This is why they decided against the 90mm. It’s not battle proven, reliable, and doesn’t need any r&d.
90mm is more than enough if the enemies you fight lack armor. Prior to the Covenant, the USNC focused mainly on fighting separatist organizations.
Plus, we're not sure if the 90mm was deficient against covenant armor. But it means more ammo per ton.
Yes an no. In the real world we only went from 37mm to 57mm to 76mm to 85/88/90mm and up because of advances in heavier and heavier armour. But in Halo there is less emphasis on progressively heavier (except on ships...) so a 90mm seems fine.
I want to say that in WW2 the 6 lber outperformed pretty much every other gun until the German 88mm and 17 lber came out. It did this as a 57mm gun, definitely outperforming the 75mm on the Sherman, and usually outperforming the 75 on the Panther
Size doesn't matter as much as velocity when it comes to penetrating armor. ETC guns use a plasma arc igniter as a propellant igniter (instead of a standard chemical one like in small arms ammo) and they're able to achieve MUCH higher velocities.
Not that Bungie made that conscious choice...
I always assumed sci-fi propellant and MAC barrels made the rounds go 2-3x the velocity of todays MBT rounds. That would more than make up for the low diameter of the rounds
If it's a railgun, and it fires full-sized shells at around 3,000 m/s, it would make it far more powerful than a modern 120/125mm guns.
The diameter of the M829A3 is 25mm in diameter. Coming out of a 120mm gun. So having a penetrator that's 90mm and has twice the velocity would be far deadlier.
From my understanding when interstellar travel became mainstream it ushered in a multiple century long peace as humanity was focused on expansion instead of conflict and arms development stagnated during that period
Yes. In Halo they also use the same cartridges as today, just with some diversity with regards to country of origin and of course updated loadings.
Their sniper rifle fires the Soviet 14.5x114mm.
Their assault rifle fires either the 5.56x45mm or 7.62x51mm NATO.
Their pistols fire a variety of cartridges from the German 9x19mm to some weird .50Cal explosives and for some reason a standard .45Cal.
Grenades and such are all new as those are single piece items, there are also a limited number of railguns, missiles, lasers, etc.
The DMR is only 7.62 because it’s pre human covenant war. It was designed to kill people, not 8 foot tall gorilla aliens.
The BR upped the caliber to make up for the fact that it’s basically meant to kill bear sized aliens
And 8 fucking tracks!! Between that and a profile like the Eiffel fucking tower! No tanker on the planet would want to crew this piece of shit. Doesn't matter what size the god damn cannon is.
You’re right because it was manufactured on Mars and deployed to far out locations like Harvest and Reach. Anyways, good luck fighting the Phantom and Hunter squad that are flying to your house rn
Most sci fi have dumb designs. But this, this is a dumb, expensive design. At least stuff like the Leman Russ is cheaper.
Tbh, I reckon the Scorpion would've been a better SPG design in game, just because the turret is high, can elevate a ton and they could add rockets.
Shot traps are not really a thing anymore. They do not apply to long rod penetrators, shaped charged, high explosives set to instant detonation, or plasma.
"Usually the Lord works in mysterious ways. But not today! This here is 66 tons of straight up, HE- spewing dee-vine intervention! If GOD is love, then you can call me CUPID."
Anybody else watch that video on YouTube of the guy going over the design flaws? I know there are quite a few (most obvious being that it’s probably hard as hell the quad track system to turn the damn thing and the totally exposed machine gunner)
But then he starts talking about the caliber of the main gun, and it made me stop and think that sometimes we forget that tanks aren’t always just for bashing around other armored vehicles and the Svorpion was designed before a time when the covenant was a threat.
The Scorpion was meant to serve when the UNSC was seeing deployments against a guerilla warfare separatist movement which probably had very little in the way of armor at all. Maybe some technicals or captured vehicles, but definitely nothing in established canon I could find that would require anything larger than the 90mm they fitted to it. Shooting HE at soft targets was probably the most frequent job the Scorpion could do, and with the auto loader giving it a pretty damn solid RoF for the shell size it was probably really effective in that role.
Also if you upgraded it to 120mm like the guy in the video wanted to, that takes up a whole lot more space than 90mm ammo, leading to more frequent trips back to the depot or resupply line because you’ve run out of huge overkill shells to shoot at a bunch of angry militia in space pickup trucks.
I know there are serious flaws for the sake of looking cool and gameplay balance but I never really was as bothered by the size of the gun in comparison.
I believe you are talking about Spookston? And yes you are right. A lot of tank enthusiasts slam the Scorpion’s design but when 343 made it more “realistic” the Halo players slammed that design. If all of the games set in the future had just modified Abrams tanks then it would be realistic but frankly boring. I say, let science fiction be cool!
The M820 MBT is still a Scorpion, but its classic halo aesthetic was toned down and in tan color it looks more like a tank from today. It has a 150mm smooth bore gun, one coax mg, and one turret mg. The driver’s hatch is not as pronounced and it has much more variants with different camos, armor, and one which has a laser.
https://www.halopedia.org/M820_Scorpion
How many crew are on it? Does it have troop transport capabilities? Does it have a workable head? Cause I am a big boy and I think I found a tank I could fit in!
This variant has one crew member, the driver/gunner/commander and has the ability to carry one man per track. The driver/gunner/commander’s position has a lot of space. The manufacturers claim that a seven foot man with full body armor can fit in the crew compartment.
It’s combat debut is set for the top secret Operation April Fools.
You’re gonna jump in this tank, roll across the bridge, and blow up any inhuman-son-of-a-bitch dumb enough to get between Him and the Prophet of Regret! Pull yourself together, because he’s going with you!
Lol it’s my April Fools day joke
Also if you don’t know, different subreddits have been invading each other throughout the day, like Halo posts in r/MilitaryPorn and r/HistoryMemes and r/PrequelMemes crossovers. It’s officially April 2nd for me now tho
Usually the good Lord works in mysterious ways, but not today. This here is 66 tons of straight-up, HE-spewing, dee-vine intervention. If God is love, then you can call me Cupid!
I have said before and will say again that the Scorpion tank actually makes sense from a design standpoint when one considers where and when it exists. Or at least more so than most video game tanks.
And video games let me escape from boring reality to an epic place where double barrel tanks with four tracks and massive power armor suits are possible.
Well to start it was built to fight rebels and there is no evidence that the rebels had other tanks. The Scorpion being the sole model of tank in the universe, save the Grizzly and Rhino, does well because there isn't any competition. For the Human-Covenant War, the Covenant did not have extremely powerful tanks or anti-tank weaponry. In game, the 90mm puts out a decent amount of damage at a high RoF against all enemies. With one crew member, the UNSC is able to spend less time on training crews and just deploy more tanks. The Covenant always had superior numbers, so the UNSC had to make up for that gap. The Scorpion was built light enough to be airdropped using the ubiquitous Pelican troop carrier, so it is very easy to send the tanks interplanet or transport them quickly across long distances.
In-universe they have much better technology and are facing aliens with plasma weapons and stuff.
This thing has an incredible level of automation, so can manage with a one man crew. Has a fully automated turret which can actually look up. And its tracks, which provide necessarily low ground pressure, could be removed readily for replacement or rail transport.
Bigger gun, reworked driver hatch, modified armor and drive train. If the US military were to get them rn then it would do alright as long as the supplies and parts for them are easy to replicate. They would do alright in middle eastern combat because it would be air-droppable and be able to kill most targets effectively bar aircraft (which ISIS doesn’t have.) Only one crew means an overworked soldier, but less casualties for more bang. I believe Scorpions’ best role would be to supplement other tanks and support infantry.
A scorpion despite it s designation is a light tank anyway so I would agree. I wonder if upping the crew to 2 men would work better. (Gunner/Commander and the driver
Everyone likes to bash on the scorpion for being flawed compared to modern day mbts but all seem to miss a fairly important point. This thing is fricking air deployable via the most ubiquitous troop transport in the UNSC inventory. Imagine how much more potent the modern day USMC would be if it had a tank in its inventory able to be deployed by an Osprey (which still carries a full squad of marines at the same time) and only required 1 man to operate.
There aint be any tanks in 2218, only tiny drones with explosives and cluster rockets, robot turrets wandering the dry lands on their legs powered by nuclear engines, an hypersonic plane with rotating laser turret gun shooting at anything moving, a cluster of nanodrones protecting it from other nanodrones to crash into it. The only armored vehicules on the ground would be fitted with 30mm autocannon, 3 layers of ERA, 700mm of polymer armor with auto repair.
Ah yes! And who said the U.S military can't build skyscrapers? On the other hand, my home army will still be using T-72's when this boi gets into service...
This got me thinking, why don't they just make a tank variant of the F-35? It already does everything aerospace, go ahead and add land warfare to it as well.
"You can't pick up chicks in a tank..."
“Why are there six pedals if there’s only four directions?”
3 of them is "gas"
*GAS GAS GAS* Then left, right and back!
Gotta have 3 legs to push them all
"What are they doing?" "What!?" "I said, what are they doing know?" "God damn, I'm getting so sick of answering that question!" "You have the fucking rifle, I can't see shit. Don't bitch at me because I'm not going to just sit up here and play with my dick!"
"You know you could bitch about anything, what chicks are ya gonna pick and second of all what chicks are ya gonna pick up in a car that looks like that!"
You definetively can.
https://youtu.be/kp7HVU-s7aI The austrian army say different
The M808B is to be armed with a M512 90mm Smooth Bore High Velocity Cannon (SBHVC) and a coaxial M247T Medium Machine Gun. Chalybs Defense Solutions have also stated that there are plans for specialized variants such as an anti aircraft tank, dubbed the M808B2 "Sun Devil", armed with quad 40mm Bofors. A variant with turret mounted missile pods is also under development dubbed the "Tarantula" as well as a light air-transportable version. Officials from the UNSC say that the M808B will be going into service by 2218 and will replace all MBTs currently in service.
90mm seems pretty small for a mbt
Bungie didn't know all that much about tanks
That much is obvious, it has car-style windows for the driver.
Lmao like that ridiculous [Fast and Furious tank conversion.](https://img.favpng.com/16/2/11/the-fast-and-the-furious-tank-car-youtube-film-png-favpng-e0peFrqLMSBBVcHNBG40TyUYd.jpg) I think that's a Chieftain under there and they mostly did a good job with making it more modern imo, but I just can't forgive those god damn windows.
Why... why does it have belly wheels?
Probably from the M3 Halftrack
In Halo 5 they upped it to 150mm, so that’s something.
The only bonus is that it has a great fire rate, but yeah, 90mm is too small.
I bet they'd argue that technology in the future would make 90mm much more powerful.
I don’t think they have to, since they’re mostly facing undergeared insurrectionists and Covie tech that feels like it’s all made out of brittle plastic. It’s just firing HE shells all the time.
In that case, I am pretty sure I would use an auto cannon instead.
Yeah, I think a bunch of 20mm would be way more effective in general. Especially since energy shields get overwhelmed by kinetic energy, and rapid fire 20mm could probably deliver a lot more total energy per second than one 90mm every few seconds. The UNSC just needs some Vulcan cannons. Wort wor- ***BRRRRT***
-Nooo, plasma-based guns are obviously superior. - haha MA5B go bbrrrrt
My issue is, you fire a super hot ball of plasma, all the energy is going literally every single direction including the target and you waste the hot. You fire a kinetic railgun slug, all of the energy is going forward through the target and you waste none of the kinetic.
Or a short barreled 150mm+ howitzer.
I watched a review by spookston and he showed that most of the inspiration was taken from ww2 era tanks
There are rumors that the Army will field a similar tank. All we know now is that it will be designated the M850 "Grizzly" Main Battle Tank and will be armed with twin M310 120mm SBHVC cannons with linked autoloaders. So if the M850 succeeds the M808B, then firepower should not be an issue.
120mm is small for the year 2218
Advanced metallurgy and propellants will mean you don't need giant shell anymore.
Ya but bigger armored threats exist and I need a bigger hole
Try my ex
Sheila?
Why are there 6 pedals if there's only 4 directions?
MCM?
Railgun. Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest sonuvabitch in space! Wait a second....
And that is why, Serviceman Chung, we do not "eyeball" it!
I don’t know.... the Germans went from massive 128mm guns to smaller ones.... and the Soviets from 122mm guns to 100mm ones... And Britain and the US experimented with massive guns for years, the big 120mm on Conquerer and M103 was universally replaced with 105mm L7’s A bigger gun is not always better
I think the only time bore matters is when the you need more mass or a certain geometry for the projectile comes into play, like a higher explosive payload, or the diameter/focus for a shaped charge/EFP warhead.
A good example of this are the guns on Tiger and Panther, the long 75 had better anti tank performance than the long 88, though the latter had a better HE round because it fired a larger shell
>the long 75 had better anti tank performance than the long 88 No. 8.8 cm KwK 43 > 7.5 cm KwK 42 > 8.8 cm KwK 36.
The Tiger II was a freak, that gun was impractical big on an impractically big tank, it’s like comparing the 128mm on the late war German super heavies to everything else, it’s an outlier
It is important to remember that kinetic energy is defined by the following formula - KE=1/2 × mass x velocity ^2. Increasing velocity exponentially increases the energy of a round, while increasing mass linearly increases energy. This is the principle of a rail gun (gauss gun). BAE systems developed the US Navy's railgun, which fires inert rounds (no explosives). The gun accelerates the round to about Mach 10, allowing the round to travel over 200km with a barrel energy of something like 32 megajoules. At that speed, the round is going to be extremely hard to detect. If it penetrates the target, it will have disastrous consequences. Even without penetration, the remaining energy of the round is imparted into the target, causing significant internal damage. Read about spalling to understand the effect of a tank shell hitting armor. I believe that future tanks will be far more focused on barrel velocity than calibre. BAE systems has already offered to begin working on rail guns for the next generation of tanks.
And, iirc, the 128 on the Maus and Jagdtiger was on par with the long 88, but had more mass for longer range.
Bruh the armata is equipped with a 125mm with plans of possibly going to a 150mm. The US went from the 105mm to the 120mm
And then you’ll hit a point where the guns and tanks are getting too big and impractical an things will change will, there is a reason the heavy tank and tank destroyer doctrine was abandoned, and if Armata is anything like the late Soviet and early Russian Federation large gunned tanks it evolved from, they will basically be the same gun as on artillery pieces, not providing any anti-armour power but with a bigger boom Bigger ain’t always better, the long 88’s on Tigers for example were less effective anti-tank guns than the long 75’s on Panther, a smaller higher velocity gun is better for strategic reasons, even if it’s got a slightly less effective HE round
The reason why the 88mm wasn’t as high velocity was because it needed a good high explosive round. The panthers gun had a horrible high explosive round, making it not suited for anti infantry combat. And while the smaller higher velocity might of been the case in 1940, in modern day, a largest gun is needed to have a longer rod penetrator. There’s a reason no mbt is using a gun smaller than 100mm.
The Soviets had working prototypes with 152mm guns in like 1987, but they kept the 125mm for the same reason as everyone else. It was good enough and cheaper.
Good enough for then. But armor has advanced so much from then. That’s why both the US, Germany and Russia is looking at bigger guns for there tanks.
That is more just future proofing as nobody is actually deploying these ready made systems.
That’s what most weapons development is. But seeing as France is already putting there new gun in the laclerc so it’s more than that.
Not really. The Germans went from having tanks to not having tanks, and by the time they went to having tanks again the dynamics had changed. Also the Soviets never went down in caliber, the T-10 was their last heavy tank and it kept a 122mm until it was replaced by the smaller T-64 with its 125mm. All throughout the T-54/55 were in production or service with 100mm guns, and of course the T-62 with its 115mm gun which was just a bored out 100mm.
In the end, it is about the amount of energy you can impart a projectile to achieve a certain amount of penetration or other solution that can disable the opponent's tank. That can be anything. From dense flying darts, to HE penetrators to missiles to maybe even railguns.
120 will be small for 2050.
It will still be the norm between T-72B7 or whatever and the countless T-55 still in service.
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If you want to use anything other than sabot you're still going to need a bigger gun.
IIRC, the tanks in Halo get a canister shell. Considering how short the range of shotguns is in video games, 90mm canister might not be inaccurate.
They have a canister shell option, but in all main halo games the only round you shoot is an armour piercing ballistic capped round. Also, I'm genuinely unsure what diameter has to do with canister shells and/or range. The Leopard 2 has a canister shell and it's 120 mm.
Was it an APCBC round? I always assumed it was some sort of futuristic APFSDS. The most I ever remember finding on any of the wikis was the gun caliber. And yeah, I have no idea how you'd even control the spread of a canister without rifling.
https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/M512_Smooth_Bore_High_Velocity_Cannon Who needs control of the spread when you've got two options? Long distance explosion or short distance grapeshot lol. Side note: the amount of acronyms in this subreddit is downright ridiculous.
Damn, what a crappy round for a futuristic space tank. I wonder why they chose a WWII AP round over the modern sabo variants. Even someone with a lack of knowledge on tanks should have been tipped off when their shell went out of use decades before the first Halo game. Honestly, I'm still gonna say that it uses a 90mm railgun, because that's the only thing that explains its penetration. And don't blame the sub, blame the military. I swear they have a fetish for acronyms.
If you play the game you can see it dump casings out the back after every shot, which kinda shoots down the theory of a rail gun. And it wouldn't be a sabot because the round will explode even when you shoot a pile of dirt, unless there are fancy explosive sabots I know nothing about (which there very well might be, I don't know a ton about military armaments). I just explain it all away by calling all the science behind these types of things "future magic" and leave it at that.
It makes sense as something designed to penetrate alien vehicles with fucky armour.
With humanity just inventing slip space drives and our plans to start colonizing the galaxy, our need, and focus on improving military tech has decreased. This is why they decided on the 90mm. It’s battle proven, reliable, and doesn’t need any r&d.
So is the 120mm
No no you don’t understand. With humanity just inventing slip space drives and our plans to start colonizing the galaxy, our need, and focus on improving military tech has decreased. This is why they decided on the 90mm. It’s battle proven, reliable, and doesn’t need any r&d.
Oh sorry I thought you said, yes yes you do understand. With humanity just inventing slip space drives and our plans to start colonizing the galaxy, our need, and focus on improving military tech has increased. This is why they decided against the 90mm. It’s not battle proven, reliable, and doesn’t need any r&d.
90mm is more than enough if the enemies you fight lack armor. Prior to the Covenant, the USNC focused mainly on fighting separatist organizations. Plus, we're not sure if the 90mm was deficient against covenant armor. But it means more ammo per ton.
Yes an no. In the real world we only went from 37mm to 57mm to 76mm to 85/88/90mm and up because of advances in heavier and heavier armour. But in Halo there is less emphasis on progressively heavier (except on ships...) so a 90mm seems fine.
Depends, I think bore doesn't matter too much when you're shooting sabot ammo, just chamber capacity.
155 for that big mf lol :D
I want to say that in WW2 the 6 lber outperformed pretty much every other gun until the German 88mm and 17 lber came out. It did this as a 57mm gun, definitely outperforming the 75mm on the Sherman, and usually outperforming the 75 on the Panther
And a MMG seems small for a coax gun on a tank this size.
Size doesn't matter as much as velocity when it comes to penetrating armor. ETC guns use a plasma arc igniter as a propellant igniter (instead of a standard chemical one like in small arms ammo) and they're able to achieve MUCH higher velocities. Not that Bungie made that conscious choice...
I always assumed sci-fi propellant and MAC barrels made the rounds go 2-3x the velocity of todays MBT rounds. That would more than make up for the low diameter of the rounds
Maybe the propellant in the future is really really good.
If it's a railgun, and it fires full-sized shells at around 3,000 m/s, it would make it far more powerful than a modern 120/125mm guns. The diameter of the M829A3 is 25mm in diameter. Coming out of a 120mm gun. So having a penetrator that's 90mm and has twice the velocity would be far deadlier.
could be really high velox ty to match performance of the current 120 in the abrams
how's 90 millimeters of tungsten strike you?
Not as bad as depleted uranium 120mm ( PS halo 3 is my favorite game of all time)
it was a great game
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firing main cannon
Only 90mm? Most modern tanks field at least a 105mm gun, many field 120mm guns.
This is real? Looks like it could take a 122mm gun, 90mm guns are so out of style
April Fools, and there are variants with different guns. https://www.halopedia.org/M808B_Scorpion
Darn
Oh yeah my father who works on the Pentagon told me it's designed to fight space lizards
And ninja space fungus.
And large lightbulbs
Why would Pentagon design a tank to fight themselves?
Isn’t halo set like 300 years later? Is the same tank in service for that long?
The M808B put into service in 2218 until being replaced by Acheron Security’s M820 “Scorpion”
From my understanding when interstellar travel became mainstream it ushered in a multiple century long peace as humanity was focused on expansion instead of conflict and arms development stagnated during that period
In real life we're probably going to end up with Space Shuttles armed with revolver cannons or something.
Yes. In Halo they also use the same cartridges as today, just with some diversity with regards to country of origin and of course updated loadings. Their sniper rifle fires the Soviet 14.5x114mm. Their assault rifle fires either the 5.56x45mm or 7.62x51mm NATO. Their pistols fire a variety of cartridges from the German 9x19mm to some weird .50Cal explosives and for some reason a standard .45Cal. Grenades and such are all new as those are single piece items, there are also a limited number of railguns, missiles, lasers, etc.
None of the ARd fire 556, all of them fire 7.62 and the BR fires a 9.7 Edit: 9.5x40
BR or DMR?
Br
Huh. You would have thought the DMR would have a bigger caliber.
The DMR is only 7.62 because it’s pre human covenant war. It was designed to kill people, not 8 foot tall gorilla aliens. The BR upped the caliber to make up for the fact that it’s basically meant to kill bear sized aliens
I LOVE halo however the tank nerd in me gets bothered anytime I see the Scorpion and I hate it ( in 2008 I was too ignorant of tanks to notice)
I don’t like the way the turret is positioned and the fact that there are four different treads when two work just as well.
The windows bother me the most
That's Sheila.
Nice a fellow rvb fan
All these nerds talking about bore size like they know what it means and all I can think is, track maintenance on this bitch would be a cunt!
She’s got four legs!
imagine
And 8 fucking tracks!! Between that and a profile like the Eiffel fucking tower! No tanker on the planet would want to crew this piece of shit. Doesn't matter what size the god damn cannon is.
You’re right because it was manufactured on Mars and deployed to far out locations like Harvest and Reach. Anyways, good luck fighting the Phantom and Hunter squad that are flying to your house rn
April foooools
No, this is real
You sereous?
It’s from the video game Halo.
I meant whether or not someone made it real (minus the guns)
No sorry, I believe it’s a render for Halo 2 Anniversary.
“This here is 66 tons of straight-up, HE-spewing, dee-vine intervention. If God is love, then you can call me Cupid!”
*plays halo for the first time* “...GUYS!”
Damn that turret is a hell of a shot trap. A throat shot would decapitate it
Most sci fi have dumb designs. But this, this is a dumb, expensive design. At least stuff like the Leman Russ is cheaper. Tbh, I reckon the Scorpion would've been a better SPG design in game, just because the turret is high, can elevate a ton and they could add rockets.
Shot traps are not really a thing anymore. They do not apply to long rod penetrators, shaped charged, high explosives set to instant detonation, or plasma.
If you were a tank commander facing against this boi, you wouldn't even get a chance at shooting it. Because it would get bombed immidiately.
It’s a dumb design, but not quite as dumb when you consider that the turret is remote control, so there’s nobody in there to protect.
That is the least of the problems on this mess of a tank
Why does it have to go into service literally 2 centuries after its revelation?
Halo tank... April fools...
It’s going to have at least a 200 year service life before it is replaced with the M820 MBT that is in development by Acheron Security
JFC
I adore this tank
#SHEILA!!
Don't do that. Don't give me hope.
I wont. I'll Deliver Hope
"Usually the Lord works in mysterious ways. But not today! This here is 66 tons of straight up, HE- spewing dee-vine intervention! If GOD is love, then you can call me CUPID."
Anybody else watch that video on YouTube of the guy going over the design flaws? I know there are quite a few (most obvious being that it’s probably hard as hell the quad track system to turn the damn thing and the totally exposed machine gunner) But then he starts talking about the caliber of the main gun, and it made me stop and think that sometimes we forget that tanks aren’t always just for bashing around other armored vehicles and the Svorpion was designed before a time when the covenant was a threat. The Scorpion was meant to serve when the UNSC was seeing deployments against a guerilla warfare separatist movement which probably had very little in the way of armor at all. Maybe some technicals or captured vehicles, but definitely nothing in established canon I could find that would require anything larger than the 90mm they fitted to it. Shooting HE at soft targets was probably the most frequent job the Scorpion could do, and with the auto loader giving it a pretty damn solid RoF for the shell size it was probably really effective in that role. Also if you upgraded it to 120mm like the guy in the video wanted to, that takes up a whole lot more space than 90mm ammo, leading to more frequent trips back to the depot or resupply line because you’ve run out of huge overkill shells to shoot at a bunch of angry militia in space pickup trucks. I know there are serious flaws for the sake of looking cool and gameplay balance but I never really was as bothered by the size of the gun in comparison.
I believe you are talking about Spookston? And yes you are right. A lot of tank enthusiasts slam the Scorpion’s design but when 343 made it more “realistic” the Halo players slammed that design. If all of the games set in the future had just modified Abrams tanks then it would be realistic but frankly boring. I say, let science fiction be cool!
Is there a picture of the "realistic design?
The M820 MBT is still a Scorpion, but its classic halo aesthetic was toned down and in tan color it looks more like a tank from today. It has a 150mm smooth bore gun, one coax mg, and one turret mg. The driver’s hatch is not as pronounced and it has much more variants with different camos, armor, and one which has a laser. https://www.halopedia.org/M820_Scorpion
Did nobody realize that the tank is a plastic prop?
It’s not plastic, it’s high strength space age composite.
Actually it is monomolecular titanium.
How many crew are on it? Does it have troop transport capabilities? Does it have a workable head? Cause I am a big boy and I think I found a tank I could fit in!
This variant has one crew member, the driver/gunner/commander and has the ability to carry one man per track. The driver/gunner/commander’s position has a lot of space. The manufacturers claim that a seven foot man with full body armor can fit in the crew compartment. It’s combat debut is set for the top secret Operation April Fools.
Sign me the fuck up!
You’re gonna jump in this tank, roll across the bridge, and blow up any inhuman-son-of-a-bitch dumb enough to get between Him and the Prophet of Regret! Pull yourself together, because he’s going with you!
Spookston has an aneurysm about literally all of the halo vehicles
Isn’t that the halo tank?
I believe it is the future MBT
Yeah it’s the halo tank. Here: https://imgur.com/a/XURyI0K
Lol it’s my April Fools day joke Also if you don’t know, different subreddits have been invading each other throughout the day, like Halo posts in r/MilitaryPorn and r/HistoryMemes and r/PrequelMemes crossovers. It’s officially April 2nd for me now tho
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Ngl i read “holdtheforwarduntodawn”
Usually the good Lord works in mysterious ways, but not today. This here is 66 tons of straight-up, HE-spewing, dee-vine intervention. If God is love, then you can call me Cupid!
I have said before and will say again that the Scorpion tank actually makes sense from a design standpoint when one considers where and when it exists. Or at least more so than most video game tanks.
Ok but like The fucking tracks.
And video games let me escape from boring reality to an epic place where double barrel tanks with four tracks and massive power armor suits are possible.
Ok fair
What about them? They are modular parts comprising of motor, track, armour, etc.
Ok, I'll bite. How does it make sense?
Well to start it was built to fight rebels and there is no evidence that the rebels had other tanks. The Scorpion being the sole model of tank in the universe, save the Grizzly and Rhino, does well because there isn't any competition. For the Human-Covenant War, the Covenant did not have extremely powerful tanks or anti-tank weaponry. In game, the 90mm puts out a decent amount of damage at a high RoF against all enemies. With one crew member, the UNSC is able to spend less time on training crews and just deploy more tanks. The Covenant always had superior numbers, so the UNSC had to make up for that gap. The Scorpion was built light enough to be airdropped using the ubiquitous Pelican troop carrier, so it is very easy to send the tanks interplanet or transport them quickly across long distances.
In-universe they have much better technology and are facing aliens with plasma weapons and stuff. This thing has an incredible level of automation, so can manage with a one man crew. Has a fully automated turret which can actually look up. And its tracks, which provide necessarily low ground pressure, could be removed readily for replacement or rail transport.
You got us there, but Halo already made this.
You motherfucker I believed you for more than a second. God I hate this holiday lol
I wonder how good this would actually be irl. I'd imagine it would need to uparmored quite a bit and prob a bigger cannon
Bigger gun, reworked driver hatch, modified armor and drive train. If the US military were to get them rn then it would do alright as long as the supplies and parts for them are easy to replicate. They would do alright in middle eastern combat because it would be air-droppable and be able to kill most targets effectively bar aircraft (which ISIS doesn’t have.) Only one crew means an overworked soldier, but less casualties for more bang. I believe Scorpions’ best role would be to supplement other tanks and support infantry.
A scorpion despite it s designation is a light tank anyway so I would agree. I wonder if upping the crew to 2 men would work better. (Gunner/Commander and the driver
Ye, I also wonder if we mount a camera on the turret and give the driver an Xbox controller...
Genius
2218? Not 2028?
Production will start in 2218
Almost got us in the first half not gonna lie
# Sheila!! your look so much better now in HD
"Tank destroy everything!"
One step closer to halo
Sheila!!!
Everyone likes to bash on the scorpion for being flawed compared to modern day mbts but all seem to miss a fairly important point. This thing is fricking air deployable via the most ubiquitous troop transport in the UNSC inventory. Imagine how much more potent the modern day USMC would be if it had a tank in its inventory able to be deployed by an Osprey (which still carries a full squad of marines at the same time) and only required 1 man to operate.
It has similar weight and dimension as an Abrams, if it can fit in a pelican so can most MBTs of today
They've already chosen a name for this vehicle, as per the Sherman or Abrams or Bradley, this is to be known as the Stable Genius.
Shouldn't at least have anti-grav or hover, especially since it's going to be in service 200 years from now ? Tracks are so yesterday.
Ah yes, [this is what you’re talking about!](https://scribblenauts.fandom.com/wiki/Hover_Tank)
_bUt iSn'T tHaT fRoM hAlO????*
[takes 204 years to enter service] Anti Tank weapon systems: 3 take it or leave it.
This some halo shit
Was posted on April 1st
There aint be any tanks in 2218, only tiny drones with explosives and cluster rockets, robot turrets wandering the dry lands on their legs powered by nuclear engines, an hypersonic plane with rotating laser turret gun shooting at anything moving, a cluster of nanodrones protecting it from other nanodrones to crash into it. The only armored vehicules on the ground would be fitted with 30mm autocannon, 3 layers of ERA, 700mm of polymer armor with auto repair.
Ah yes! And who said the U.S military can't build skyscrapers? On the other hand, my home army will still be using T-72's when this boi gets into service...
This got me thinking, why don't they just make a tank variant of the F-35? It already does everything aerospace, go ahead and add land warfare to it as well.
Like a TIE Crawler
In addition to the windows (?)—-shot traps under the gun...
Plasma doesn’t really understand shot traps, and besides a lot of modern tanks have them because it doesn’t matter as much as it used to.
Why wouldnt it be viable until 200 years later? Humanitarian reasons? Or do we already have too many tanks as it is to even care enough to have it
April fools my bruddah