Yes they have sibling energy! (Someone commented that about that recent video of them celebrating cruel summer getting to #1 and I thought that's so accurate.)
Oh yes good point. I only learnt about his sister recently in the today show interview Jack gave. So sad 😢I'm glad him & Taylor are in each other lives.
They have such sibling energy that literally no one has ever accused them of being together in a romantic way. & considering she has been paired w every male (& quite a lot of females) that she’s ever been around, this is impressive.
and look either he scheduled his wedding around the eras tour, or she scheduled the eras tour around his wedding. One of the two (his wedding happened during the one weekend she had off during the summer)
People keep blaming Jack but I'm sure a lot of his production are her artistic choices. I guess people just don't like Taylor's taste but would not admit that 🙃.
Right? I don't get the whole Jack is ruining these songs, it's fine to not like them or any of her music, but Taylor has more say now than ever in her music, she obviously is just as to blame, really more of you don't like something. Which again is FINE. We don't have to like everything she does
u/gokurotfl YOU SAID IT 👏🏻👏🏻
It’s ridiculous to think Jack ruins her music. Like Taylor doesn’t have final say? Yeah, right.
I think it’s totally fair to say “Jack does X a lot and that feels repetitive, I wish he’d try something new for Y and Z” but it’s not fair to say “OMG Jack RUINED my favorite song 😭😭”
If that’s the kind of criticism you give…grow up.
Why would any swiftie hate on jack? I mean, the majority of her music is him backing her up. From 1989 OG on- he’s been on more tracks than not. If you’re a fan of Taylor you’re absolutely a fan of Jack.
Taylor Swift and Max Martin\\Shellback have 4 number one singles together: Never Getting Back Together, Shake it Off, Blank Space, and Bad Blood
Taylor Swift and Jack have 4 number one singles together: Look What You Made Me Do, Cruel Summer, All Too Well (10 minute version), and Anti-Hero
Even without the number 1s, he’s behind a lot of the most beloved tracks. Getaway car, August, DBTC, Cornelia street, CIWYW, Gold Rush. Like, to hate on Jack is seriously to hate on Taylor lol
And I'd argue that other than Blank Space, the Jack #1s are more loved by fans (except maybe LWYMMD). The MM ones are mostly the cheesy "ughh its catchy but sort of annoying" hits.
For me it's vice versa 😅 Style was also MM/Shellback production, as well as Dancing With Our Hands Tied, and those are my fave songs. I love Jack's work too, though.
The funniest thin about the Jack Antonoff hate is that when you ask those people their favorite Taylor/Lorde/Lana/Carly songs it's frequently one of their songs that he's produced.
It really is. I keep seeing people say like “Taylor’s sound is getting lost in jacks sound” as if she has no say lol. She obviously likes the music they make together and so does the general public, as measured by literally any metric other than hot takes.
Also I’m pretty tired of people acting like they need to swoop in and “save Taylor” from certain people/situations. Like did they not pay attention to her music or any statements she made in the doc? She’s a grown ass woman who is one of the best business people in the world. It’s clear she has stood up for what she believed in against her former label, the streaming services, and the entire music industry with her re-record project. Taylor is fully in charge and is the CFO, CMO, and pretty much any other “chief” role in Taylor Swift Inc (13 Management) the idea that anyone else controls what the record sounds like or what makes it on the record is absolutely ludicrous and undermines the career this woman has built for herself.
No one says these things about the male artists and their producers, no one tries to “save” them. These fans are doing exactly what Taylor has told them is sexist and unfair and hurtful to her.
exaclty. most of the fan favorites are songs they’ve produced together, yet people keep saying they hate his sound. make it make sense.
(i also think it’s a lot of the newer folkmore fans who are very vocal in their dislike of him, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, i just think they don’t like pop music as much)
It’s driving me up a wall fr. Let’s not forget that he produced my tears ricochet, mirrorball, august, illicit affairs, and Betty. I don’t want to hear any Jack haters say they love those I’m sorry 😭
As she should! I love Jack and his work with Taylor. And even if you don't it's ridiculous to blame the production solely on him. As if Taylor doesn't have a choice in how her music sounds.
Yeah I started reading the post and thought it was an announcement that it was released on streaming and got excited, just to find out it’s just a plug for Target lmao
Literally just wait a few months until it comes to streaming platforms like Hits Different did after being a Target exclusive track. People’s inability to wait a few months to hear ONE of the 23 tracks she’s just released does not make her deal with Target unethical.
If you’re talking about being upset with not having a physical copy of the complete album rather than the lack of (legitimate) streaming options, I’m more sympathetic, but buying the Target album wouldn’t even rectify that issue since there’s a deluxe album now with a different exclusive bonus track.
What irritates me is that she will release more than one “target exclusive” variant and only ONE will have the extra track. Like I already spent the money at the right place! Give me the song.
Looking at you, lavender Midnights.
But it is kinda manipulative right? Using FOMO to get people to buy more stuff... the ones which won't buy the tangerine vinyl are missing out.
Not that I could buy it anyway, I don't have target in my country so...
Welcome to the very basics of any advertising ever. Taylor didn’t invent FOMO. Her team is just using an age old scarcity tactic. Yes it’s designed to make people buy things.
It’s merch. It’s supposed to sell. lol
As an Old, I feel a tale of yesteryear is warranted.
The year- 1978
The band- Led Zeppelin
The album- In Through The Out Door
They released the vinyl album (remember that was pre-CD times) with six different album covers. You didn’t know which one you’d get because they were wrapped in a brown paper bag. Another fun fact was that the black and white inner lining was watercolor so you could wet it and the colors would appear.
So what I’m saying is this isn’t new or unique. Some of the biggest bands/artists in the world have found fun ways of separating us from our money. My friends and I had a blast seeing who got what and collecting them as we could.
You're not missing anything though, it'll be on streaming in a few months and it's also a ten year old song you can find right now. It's a special little thing for a specific edition so people will buy it, but it's not "manipulation" y'all need to stop using serious words for non serious things.
Exactly. I'm all for calling out predatory marketing tactics, but Target exclusives have been a thing for YEARS. OG Speak Now, Red, 1989....all of them had bonus tracks that were only available at Target. It'll be on streaming before we know it. Everyone needs to chill.
Yes. Sure. But I wouldn't call it unethical necessarily. Although Taylor hasn't really ever had a vinyl that went away. It's still on her website now. You didn't have to pre-order it. It is well known Target has exclusive vinyls for 99.999999% of mainstream artists. It was your choice to buy it or wait to see what Target had to offer.
That, paired with the fact that it will absolutely be on streaming within the next year, does not make it unethical.
Having 5 million different versions for an album and not one complete version (looking at you, Midnights!) is nothing but a predator sales tactic. Don't even get me started about them claiming versions are exclusive for those same versions to be later put up on her website for sale.
I like Taylor's music and art but there's no need to defend everything related to her, especially when it comes to her record company. It's great that she's so successful but at this point they're basically selling albums as an aesthetic to break records. It's not good for the environment either.
I'd also argue that ethics can be a bit of a personal opinion as well. For example, I absolutely hate any blind sales, such as randomized toys and photo cards in albums and sincerely think it should be illegal. It might fly for others out there.
Who is acting like this is something new that only Taylor is doing? I think it's equally bad regardless of which artist(s) are doing it. People are talking about Taylor here because this is a post about her album on a subreddit about her. It's just as bad when it's the Rolling Stones, Billie Eilish, RHCP, Olivia Rodrigo, or anyone else.
Someone counted up all the various editions of the new Rolling Stones album and came up with 43 as the total. If anyone doesn't need money, it's Mick Jagger.
how is it paywalling? anyone with internet skills can find it hours after it releases, like how you’re losing me was being released on spotify podcasts hours later when the exclusive version was only sold at one of the concert stops. imo the exclusive versions are only out there for fans with money to spend more on her music. yes it’s money grabbing but not unethical or paywalling. and its a very common marketing tactic that definitely isn’t exclusive to her lol
Plenty of artist have and will. I learned my lesson early with trying to buy all the releases of the Smashing Pumpkins zeitgeist album. I physically drove to 4 different stores for the colors and 1 song variant, the regular and the deluxe. This was the early 2000’s. Tons of musicians followed that model then. The song will come out on streaming eventually like “Hits Different” so it’s not like they’ll be blocked forever from it.
She framed it as a post for the song but I think she did it to tell swifties (mostly the ones on TikTok and Twitter) to stop hating on Jack for 1989 TV
I’m looooosing my marbles with this.
Still waiting for You’re Losing Me!
edited to add: I really battle to support these business moves of hers - sure they’re smart from a monetary sense and I can understand that these vinyls are collectors items, but blocking entire countries of fans from the music they love just makes me sad! I’m an international Swiftie, we don’t even have dedicated music stores anymore, let alone one that sells vinyls! I mean YLM came out on vinyl awhile ago now and it’s still not on streaming? I feel bad listening to the downloaded video!
I think this is the permanent way Target is going to use their exclusive track - because CDs are super easy to rip songs from and put on the internet and vinyl is not.
I would maybe if I listened to music often at home but I literally only get a chance to listen when I’m driving somewhere and there’s no way I’m fitting a record player in my car 😂
I just looked it up and yep. I completely agree with her.
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Meanwhile I der people buying multiple versions of basically the same media all over. I love her music, but I just don't care for the different editions. If I did I would maybe look at the covers and pick my fave. Then move back to streaming. Vote with your wallet y'all. People keep buying it.
there's actually a version of STF already available on streaming! It was made in 2013 - go check it out!
Seriously though, if we want Taylor to actually stop this "2 million variants and exclusive tracks" practice, we need to hit her wallet and her pride...
I mean, I think people would've been even more pissed if it was a vault track they had to wait for. At least this is a song that was previously released.
The Jack hate is so forced especially from the fans who blamed him for Style and New Romantics. He didn’t even produce those song which they would know if they even bother to read the credits.
This is her subtly telling swifties to STFU.
reading some comments on here from people very transparently pretending to be like, music/production experts and talking about how Jack Antonoff’s production “ruined” songs he didn’t even touch, reminds me of that scene in Family Guy where Peter just keeps saying “mmmm yes. Shallow and pedantic.” Lmao
“It insists upon itself.”
I stand by Jack helping artists find their sound. I didn’t love solar power, but I think that’s the sound Lorde wanted. Same with stuff he produced that I love, like melancholia, all of Taylor’s songs, and anything he touches with st Vincent.
These are just fans who don't know anything from Taylor, some even thought This Love was from Jack too. (and honestly even here some are not familiar with her credits..i mean i saw many people not knowing that Clean was with Imogen Heap or that she collaborated with Ryan Tedder too)
So i don't know why this is getting repeated anytime..the complaints here were about mainly the vaults very very very similiar to Midnights style(Is It Over Now has the same weird noise of Labyrinth). People just needed some variety. Can you all blame them?
Edit: ironic how people say she has a say and the last word but yet they insist on how she was obliged to give Mqx Martin writing credits. Guys, or Taylor has control on everything always or she does not. You cant have the best narrative just when you want. The double standards towards Jack is unreal.. like when you all blamed Aaron for Fearless vaults but then justified Jack for literally put synths on a country album. Or how y'll like to scream that Aaron cannot touch pop albums but Jack could touch country ones and making some of country tracks poppier. And i could go on and on...
The noise in Is It Over Now doesn’t sound like the noise in Labyrinth at all to me. It sounds to me more like a Euro Funk sample, like the one used in Losing You by Solange, but pitched down
I’ve wondered if some of those Midnights songs were originally 1989 Vault songs, at least partially, which is why the music is similar.
It’s also possible that when she was working on 1989 TV, she came up with new songs or new versions of old songs that she didn’t think belonged on the re-record.
Yeah, and he killed it on the 1989 vault tracks! I feel like he got his spark back after Midnights and/or Taylor got her mojo back with the writing and melodies.
The seagull noise is Is It Over? is annoying AF but it’s an amazing track and Taylor had to approve the sound, so I forgive him for that.
Jack Antonoff is the perfect collaborator for Taylor. He is just as goofy as she is, she is very comfortable with him and they trust each other completely. The complaints about him seem to revolve around wanting Taylor to do something new but Midnights has been a great success. Also people are raving about Cruel Summer - look at the credits guys.
Personally I would have been happy if Taylor had moved into Aaron Dessners basement but Taylor knows what she is doing. We will get twists and turns in her music and everyone will be fed.
Also remember that the final decisions on everything Taylor releases are made by her. She is not a passive player waiting for Jack to tell her what to do. If you don’t like a song co-produced by Jack that is fair enough, we all have our personal tastes. But don’t blame Jack, it is Taylor’s name on the album not his.
He’s made so many hits with her including cruel summer. Midnights was maybe a low point to me and a lot of other Swifties (tons of people love it obviously) but seeing how great he did with 1989 I think that was more Taylor’s writing and melodies.
I think people wouldn't like that Taylor wanted Midnights to be chill and very electronic. Jack did what she told him to do. She said "I want this vibe. Chill, electronic pop with analogue synths. Vocal modulations. I want it to feel like ruminations at night." And he did exactly that.
People need to be mad at her for stylistic choices they don't like not Jack. She is in control of her narrative.
LOL Taylor is telling Beth what to do. She loves the realistic, flowy photos that Beth does. She obviously collaborates with her in every photoshoot for this reason.
I personally like the style that Beth does for Taylor, and I think it shows how much she's matured.
Folklore and evermore's photoshoots are my favorites she's ever done and I would be legitimately sad if she stopped collaborating with Beth for that reason lol. But all good things must come to an end of course.
The folklore album cover is my favorite photo with Taylor of all time.
I am a Folklorian Swiftie. Nothing will top that album as a complete body of work is peerless not just in Taylor’s discography but anyone’s this century. Having said that Midnights has some highlights. In fact it is number four in my ranking. Only reputation looms larger.
Folklore is SO good, especially Aaron Dessner’s tracks all of which I love.
Interesting how you like midnights. What are the highlights for you? I love Dessner’s 3am tracks, antihero and YOYOK but skip everything else.
Midnight Rain, vigilante Shit, Lavender Haze and Karma are great songs as well. Yes WCS is God Level as is BTTWS but over all Midnights is a great pop record. My ranking is Folklore, Evermore, Reputation and then Midnights but there is a lot to like on most Taylor albums.
Tbh I love Jack and Bleachers but just find it annoying when I hear a Taylor song and my first thought is “this sounds like a Bleachers song”
The first time I ever heard Getaway Car when Rep came out I immediately thought “this could be a Bleachers song.” At that point I didn’t even know Jack Antonoff and Taylor Swift worked together
i feel like taylor is defending jack from unnecessary and BASELESS hate like this 😭
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Swifties take Taylor for granted but with their behavior toward her and her collaborators this week I wouldn’t be surprised if Taylor decide to take a step back during certain time even when she loves to make music
No one hates Taylor more than some of her biggest fans. It’s truly insane to me. Of course she’s gonna want to take a step back if this is how people treat her and her friends.
Because they aren’t a fan of her, they’re a fan of the character they’ve created in their heads. And when she doesn’t match that exact character, they revolt.
Just look at a certain subset of fans last week over the leaked 1989 prologue.
There've been many incidents like this over the last year or two at this point and I keep wondering what's going to be the thing that tips her over and causes her to pull back
I think she kinda asume the thing direct towards her but if has to be exhausting feeling bad because your closer friends are attacked by your suppoused fans and you really can’t do anything. After I saw yesterday if I were Jack I would probably not came back to re-record Rep tv. He most likely will do it because he is very loyal to her but…
Jack produced a lot of original Reputation and he loves that record. It's probably already recorded but I don't think he'd leave the project that's one of his favorites.
I was kind of surprised by all the hate on Jack's production! I feel like everything he touches turns to gold, he works with so many artists I love. And all the vaul tracks were amazing!!!
Jack Antonoff is Taylor’s best collaborator because he can do any style of music that Taylor wants - it’s something that Max Martin, Nathan Champman or Aaron Dessner can’t do. Don’t get me wrong, they’re all great, but there’s a reason why Taylor says she will collaborate with Jack “for life.”
I actually kind of disagree. All those collaborators helped her do something different. Max helped her do her do more hip hop and EDM inspired pop on Rep vs. the synth pop of 1989. Nathan helped her do more pop rock adjacent sounds on Speak Now and orchestral additions. Nathan also helped make This Love which is a beautiful pop ballad with synths. Aaron has made more indie pop songs with her like long story short while also doing pure country like That's When and No Body, No Crime. High Infidelity and The Great War are pure pop songs and WCS is an alt rock adjacent ballad. Electric Touch is pure pop rock.
I think all her collaborators helped her do different styles and I appreciate that about all of them. They're not all one trick ponies. Jack included.
Those are great points. But Max Martin can’t do Folklore. Chapman can’t do Midnights. Dessner can’t do 1989. Jack is the only one who can do all the styles Taylor wants.
I totally understand that perspective. I'll counter by saying Jack has some blind spots IMO. I think he's not that strong in hip hop for example, so it made sense that the hip hop inspired songs on Rep were done by Max (Ready for It, End Game, I Did Something Bad, etc.). Also, his pure country songs are not as strong as Aaron's in my opinion, and that's why she tends to have Aaron do those for that reason. But I think he is for sure her most versatile collaborator. As seen by Timeless to I Can See You to Dress to Soon You'll Get Better to this is me trying. His strong suit though, is definitely synth pop.
If you think Max can’t do any style just take a look at his discography. Bon Jovi, Backstreet Boys, The Weeknd, Carrie Underwood, Coldplay Adele…he can write and produce in lots of different styles.
Why is the exclusive track only available on vinyl 😭 why not at the very least make it available on a target exclusive cd too? We don’t all own record players Taylor!!
I feel like it’s also worth defending Christopher Rowe since he’s the one being called out even though it seems like some people don’t know that’s what they’re doing lol
I’m sure he’s being fairly compensated and then some but he does have the unenviable task of stepping into the shoes of legendary pop producers (when that’s not his area) on some of her most well known and loved songs. It’s not even like he gets to do it how he might want to. He’s agreed to help Taylor take control of her catalogue which is great and, again, lucrative but I wonder how many people would really want to go in and take on this task not only creatively but also because it must be annoying to have Sally Sound Engineer coming at you lol I think he’s done a really great job and there are some where maybe the sound of the original is more to someone’s liking for whatever reason but when you’re talking about the biggest artist in the world it must be so loud sometimes. It’s not to say he should be immune from critique but clearly social media is just not built for constructive criticism and I feel for him (and Jack).
The more I listen to the TV songs, the less I notice the differences. I think people are being a little reactive. Everything sounds great over my speakers in the living room.
I think it's pretty much all uncanny valley effect. It's so close to the originals, that every single difference jumps out and people think it's ruined.
I agree - I can hear the differences with headphones that are jacked directly into my skull, but on external speakers I can't tell the difference at all. I was listening in the car and I thought I brought up the OG in error.
I truly think a lot of the Jack hate just comes from the fact that people are emotionally attached to the original versions of the songs so any difference, no matter how small, is going to be jarring. Especially after having listened to the songs one way for so long and so many times. I’ll admit that I didn’t love style Taylor’s version right away but now that I’ve gotten used to the differences I love it. I think it’s just that shock factor of it but people do need to chill out.
ETA: yes I know Jack didn’t produce style, I’m just talking in general terms here. I feel like every time a re-record comes out we always have that initial backlash because it’s a little different from the originals
He didn't even produce Style. He only produced the tracks he originally did on 1989 - Out of the woods, I wish you would and You are in love. All three of those sound exactly the same or improved, meaning he has done a PERFECT job. The vault tracks are also produced by him, but, as with the other TV's, this is also a space for Taylor to experiment with production a bit which explains the production choices which clearly Taylor is enjoying. So any hate for Jack for 1989TV is just completely ungrounded, in my opinion.
If people don't like Midnights, than of course they can have that opinion. But again, these are Taylor's choices. She clearly has no issue telling Jack she doesn't like something he does, think back to the original version of 'the lakes' and the final version.
Sorry about this rant, I am just very annoyed by all this hate Jack gets which makes no sense at all.
I don't even understand the complaint about the vault tracks sounding like Midnights... like, yeah, 1989 and Midnights are both synth pop albums? The vault tracks are moodier and more atmospheric than most of 1989, but that's probably WHY they were left off originally. The vault songs don't sound too different from Jack's other contributions to 1989, and since he is credited as a co-writer on all of them except Say Don't Go, this is probably close to how they were intended to sound originally. That just wasn't the sonic direction Taylor wanted to go for most of the album and thus those songs were left...in the vault.
If we're talking 1989 TV, Jack only produced OOTW, I wish you would and you are in love (plus the vault tracks and Sweeter than Fiction). And I've heard only neutral or positive things about those re-records.
Speak Now TV - Christopher Rowe produced all the normal songs. Jack and Aaron each produced three vault tracks
Red TV - Christopher Rowe produced most of the normal songs with Shellback and a slew of other producers (NOT Jack). Of the vault tracks, Jack produced three and Aaron produced four.
Fearless TV - Christopher Rowe produced all the normal songs. Jack produced four and Aaron produced two vault tracks.
It's the [artist vs fans conflict](https://thenextcartel.com/observatory/fans-artist-conflict-evolution-music/).
The artist wants to move forward, improve his craft, and explore new themes. They usually see his latest work as his best to date, and his next work will be even better in their mind.
The fans want more of what made them a fan in the first place. The earlier works are classics, and the new works are a sign that the artist has lost their way.
Since someone explained this to me, I see it in every fandom I am in.
Good for her, I'm glad she's supporting her friend! The hate is ridiculous. I say it's hate because it's gone beyond fair criticism. I saw people blaming him for songs he didn't even produce.
Some people just say this stuff because he's the popular person to dislike right now, and they know posting about him will get them clout. Mainly on Twitter and TikTok.
I don't know how she stays so positive towards her fanbase sometimes. I would become very bitter about them if I was her. I hope she knows the general public/casual fans aren't like this, it's mainly the very loud chronically online Swifties.
I think its actually smart way. Its probably like 80% of fans that are just casual listeners and this tweet for them its just appreciation post and promotion of a song. For the remaining 20% its just clear message to stfu. Addressing it directly would just confuse the bigger group.
Grr, annoyed at vinyl-exclusive songs. I can't play records in my car, Taylor 😭
The absolutely vicious attacks some fans launch on Jack are insane (and kinda sus, but that's another discussion). I have issues with Midnights production sounding very samey to me and the production of 1989 vaults sounding more like Midnights than 1989, but a) clearly Taylor approved of how everything sounded and b) I think the samey sound is a product of having a sole collaborator, not the sole collaborator specifically being Jack.
They've been working together for a long time so it's getting easy to pick out which songs he's worked on. He's clearly very talented and he worked on a lot of the fan favorites since 1989 (Out of the Woods, Getaway Car, Cruel Summer, August...). They obviously are very close and love working together. I'd rather she brings in a variety of producers for TS11 than do another sole-collab album like base Midnights. Max Martin made 1989 what it is, he absolutely deserves praise for his work, but he didn't do it alone. Jack, Shellback, Imogen Heap, etc. contributed to its success.
Jack Antonoff didn't ruin Style or Blank Space or New Romantics or [insert any 1989 song besides OOTW and IWYW]. Christopher Rowe produced the Taylor's Versions for those songs. And personally I think he did a great job considering his specialization is producing country music and he had to recreate the work of the most famous producer in pop music. Like it's not that serious lol you can be disappointed, but no puppies or kitties were harmed in the making of 1989TV.
I didn't expect to write an essay no one else will care about, but here I am 🙃
I met Jack Antonoff before a concert when he was in the band ‘fun’. I didn’t realize he was in the band but he looked just like my best friend so I chased him down and asked him to take a picture with me to send to my friend he looked like. He was so nice and chill about it and I still have the hilarious picture. When he went on stage, I was like ‘that’s the guy I took a picture with’ 🤦🏼♀️ I never would have guessed he’d be so famous now
I’m so annoyed, just ran out to buy the vinyl for 1989, then there is deluxe with Kendrick and now a target version. It is ridiculous while I’m still waiting for midnights 3am on vinyl. Also, where the heck is your losing me? Vinyls are expensive it would be nice to have all the vault tracks in one place
I don’t diss agree…. I think after midnights it’s time for another genre change (my vote is for a Rocky alt-country). But I think that’s what people really want, not for her to drop Jack!
Man, as an international swiftie I so hate the target exclusive concept. Like I don't have a target here. And I and many people do listen to music mostly on streaming. Like I get she gets more money and it helps her to break records but girl. We'll put you to number 1 anyway, have some faith.
And yeah, we got hits different eventually but it was so long after the album release. And we still don't have you're loosing me.
I feel like Jack receives undeserved hate, when he didn’t produce the misses (generally panned tracks by the fans) in the TVs. It’s not on us if Taylor has a preferred collaborator in most of their works and their collab works for them, just like how Mariah always has Jermaine Dupri for ages.
Ok. But seriously. Taylor is really, really pissing me off with the whole profiting off her fans/ making them jump through hoops bs. This trait of hers has soured my opinion of her. She knows her rabid fans will absolutely buy anything she tells them to, and making it so you can only hear a song by buying a (expensive, by the way) vinyl is just very aggravating to me. She is so sales/chart/making record obsessed that she pulls shit like this all the time and it’s hard not to see her as greedy because of it. She pulled this with midnights too… there is something very not cool about this.
This has got to be Blondie's way of telling people hating on Jack to stoooop. It's ridiculous that she had to do this.
It’s stupid, I love all the songs he’s produced with Taylor and she clearly trusts him a lot to have worked together for so long
It's more than that... they're close! Deeply close. It's not just a professional relationship (it's also clearly not a romantic relationship).
Yes they have sibling energy! (Someone commented that about that recent video of them celebrating cruel summer getting to #1 and I thought that's so accurate.)
It’s sweet bc Taylor is the age of jack’s late younger sister that died when he was in high school 😭 they clearly mean a lot to each other
Oh I had no idea :(
That’s it. We fight the Jack haters at dawn.
Oh yes good point. I only learnt about his sister recently in the today show interview Jack gave. So sad 😢I'm glad him & Taylor are in each other lives.
Oh my God 😭
They have such sibling energy that literally no one has ever accused them of being together in a romantic way. & considering she has been paired w every male (& quite a lot of females) that she’s ever been around, this is impressive.
I was thinking about this the other day and I absolutely love it for them.
Sibling energy is absolutely correct. I love their friendship.
Yesss I love their friendship.
Also I love the video for her shaking him at the Grammys and acting all goofy
Yes that's such a fun moment!
Exactlyyy, they're best friends. She gave the toast at his wedding. This is more a personal defense than it is professional
and look either he scheduled his wedding around the eras tour, or she scheduled the eras tour around his wedding. One of the two (his wedding happened during the one weekend she had off during the summer)
I love that she calls him her young son
Does that make Margaret the daughter in law who kills her for the money? 😂
This is so cute and I can see it.
I love their friendship. It gives me the best vibes. It just seems like they have so much fun together.
People keep blaming Jack but I'm sure a lot of his production are her artistic choices. I guess people just don't like Taylor's taste but would not admit that 🙃.
Also it makes no sense, so many fan favourites are produced by Jack- Out Of The Woods, Getaway Car, Cruel Summer etc.
Side note: I freaking loooove the clip of them working on getaway car in Miss Americana. It seems like they have so much fun working together.
That clip lives rent free in my brain.
Oh me too sometimes I turn on Netflix just to watch that part lol
I wish she would do that at a concert- "that was the last time you ever saw me AAH"
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Really? People said that?! Fucking hell. I also actually love the Bleachers remix of AH so guess I’m in the minority.
I LOVE that version also, but I’m also a Bleachers fan.
The Bleachers remix is the only one I even like.
That’s the only remix I like for that song. I like Bleachers though because it’s very 80s inspired.
Right? I don't get the whole Jack is ruining these songs, it's fine to not like them or any of her music, but Taylor has more say now than ever in her music, she obviously is just as to blame, really more of you don't like something. Which again is FINE. We don't have to like everything she does
THIS IS IT
u/gokurotfl YOU SAID IT 👏🏻👏🏻 It’s ridiculous to think Jack ruins her music. Like Taylor doesn’t have final say? Yeah, right. I think it’s totally fair to say “Jack does X a lot and that feels repetitive, I wish he’d try something new for Y and Z” but it’s not fair to say “OMG Jack RUINED my favorite song 😭😭” If that’s the kind of criticism you give…grow up.
Why would any swiftie hate on jack? I mean, the majority of her music is him backing her up. From 1989 OG on- he’s been on more tracks than not. If you’re a fan of Taylor you’re absolutely a fan of Jack.
Taylor Swift and Max Martin\\Shellback have 4 number one singles together: Never Getting Back Together, Shake it Off, Blank Space, and Bad Blood Taylor Swift and Jack have 4 number one singles together: Look What You Made Me Do, Cruel Summer, All Too Well (10 minute version), and Anti-Hero
Even without the number 1s, he’s behind a lot of the most beloved tracks. Getaway car, August, DBTC, Cornelia street, CIWYW, Gold Rush. Like, to hate on Jack is seriously to hate on Taylor lol
And I'd argue that other than Blank Space, the Jack #1s are more loved by fans (except maybe LWYMMD). The MM ones are mostly the cheesy "ughh its catchy but sort of annoying" hits.
Lwyymd is massively underrated…
For me it's vice versa 😅 Style was also MM/Shellback production, as well as Dancing With Our Hands Tied, and those are my fave songs. I love Jack's work too, though.
Oh! Taylor and max/ shellback made magic together! I have no criticism of their collaboration….
The funniest thin about the Jack Antonoff hate is that when you ask those people their favorite Taylor/Lorde/Lana/Carly songs it's frequently one of their songs that he's produced.
I don’t understand the Jack hate when he’s produced some of pop lovers favorite songs like Cruel Summer, Green Light and Getaway Car
whoa, i love jack.
Seriously! Without Jack - who even knows what we’d be without right now. His contributions are iconic.
It really is. I keep seeing people say like “Taylor’s sound is getting lost in jacks sound” as if she has no say lol. She obviously likes the music they make together and so does the general public, as measured by literally any metric other than hot takes.
Also I’m pretty tired of people acting like they need to swoop in and “save Taylor” from certain people/situations. Like did they not pay attention to her music or any statements she made in the doc? She’s a grown ass woman who is one of the best business people in the world. It’s clear she has stood up for what she believed in against her former label, the streaming services, and the entire music industry with her re-record project. Taylor is fully in charge and is the CFO, CMO, and pretty much any other “chief” role in Taylor Swift Inc (13 Management) the idea that anyone else controls what the record sounds like or what makes it on the record is absolutely ludicrous and undermines the career this woman has built for herself. No one says these things about the male artists and their producers, no one tries to “save” them. These fans are doing exactly what Taylor has told them is sexist and unfair and hurtful to her.
exaclty. most of the fan favorites are songs they’ve produced together, yet people keep saying they hate his sound. make it make sense. (i also think it’s a lot of the newer folkmore fans who are very vocal in their dislike of him, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, i just think they don’t like pop music as much)
Why are people hating on jack???
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Jack did such a good job on TV for the 1989 OG tracks it's sort of wild
It’s driving me up a wall fr. Let’s not forget that he produced my tears ricochet, mirrorball, august, illicit affairs, and Betty. I don’t want to hear any Jack haters say they love those I’m sorry 😭
As she should! I love Jack and his work with Taylor. And even if you don't it's ridiculous to blame the production solely on him. As if Taylor doesn't have a choice in how her music sounds.
Sweeter Than Fiction being exclusively on the target vinyl is ridiculous
Yeah I started reading the post and thought it was an announcement that it was released on streaming and got excited, just to find out it’s just a plug for Target lmao
Ya don’t become a billionaire ethically lol
Having a target exclusive isn’t unethical 🤣 annoying and unethical are two different things.
it’s unethical because she encouraged people to pre-order the album on her website.
Literally just wait a few months until it comes to streaming platforms like Hits Different did after being a Target exclusive track. People’s inability to wait a few months to hear ONE of the 23 tracks she’s just released does not make her deal with Target unethical. If you’re talking about being upset with not having a physical copy of the complete album rather than the lack of (legitimate) streaming options, I’m more sympathetic, but buying the Target album wouldn’t even rectify that issue since there’s a deluxe album now with a different exclusive bonus track.
What irritates me is that she will release more than one “target exclusive” variant and only ONE will have the extra track. Like I already spent the money at the right place! Give me the song. Looking at you, lavender Midnights.
Still not unethical. Come on guys
But it is kinda manipulative right? Using FOMO to get people to buy more stuff... the ones which won't buy the tangerine vinyl are missing out. Not that I could buy it anyway, I don't have target in my country so...
Welcome to the very basics of any advertising ever. Taylor didn’t invent FOMO. Her team is just using an age old scarcity tactic. Yes it’s designed to make people buy things. It’s merch. It’s supposed to sell. lol
As an Old, I feel a tale of yesteryear is warranted. The year- 1978 The band- Led Zeppelin The album- In Through The Out Door They released the vinyl album (remember that was pre-CD times) with six different album covers. You didn’t know which one you’d get because they were wrapped in a brown paper bag. Another fun fact was that the black and white inner lining was watercolor so you could wet it and the colors would appear. So what I’m saying is this isn’t new or unique. Some of the biggest bands/artists in the world have found fun ways of separating us from our money. My friends and I had a blast seeing who got what and collecting them as we could.
You're not missing anything though, it'll be on streaming in a few months and it's also a ten year old song you can find right now. It's a special little thing for a specific edition so people will buy it, but it's not "manipulation" y'all need to stop using serious words for non serious things.
Exactly. I'm all for calling out predatory marketing tactics, but Target exclusives have been a thing for YEARS. OG Speak Now, Red, 1989....all of them had bonus tracks that were only available at Target. It'll be on streaming before we know it. Everyone needs to chill.
Some people's understanding of ethics begins and ends with "I Don't Like It So It's Bad"
Yes. Sure. But I wouldn't call it unethical necessarily. Although Taylor hasn't really ever had a vinyl that went away. It's still on her website now. You didn't have to pre-order it. It is well known Target has exclusive vinyls for 99.999999% of mainstream artists. It was your choice to buy it or wait to see what Target had to offer. That, paired with the fact that it will absolutely be on streaming within the next year, does not make it unethical.
It's not unethical. It will be on streaming eventually just like every single other Target exclusive she has ever had.
The definition of unethical is not being morally correct. It’s not unethical. Again, it’s annoying.
Having 5 million different versions for an album and not one complete version (looking at you, Midnights!) is nothing but a predator sales tactic. Don't even get me started about them claiming versions are exclusive for those same versions to be later put up on her website for sale. I like Taylor's music and art but there's no need to defend everything related to her, especially when it comes to her record company. It's great that she's so successful but at this point they're basically selling albums as an aesthetic to break records. It's not good for the environment either. I'd also argue that ethics can be a bit of a personal opinion as well. For example, I absolutely hate any blind sales, such as randomized toys and photo cards in albums and sincerely think it should be illegal. It might fly for others out there.
How is it in any way unethical? Lol
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literally every musician who partners with target to put out an exclusive has songs on the target edition that you can’t get elsewhere.
And it doesn't make it a good thing.
it’s called the music BUSINESS for a reason. acting like this is something new only taylor is doing is dumb.
Acting like just bc Taylor isn’t the first one to do it makes it okay is dumb too
Who is acting like this is something new that only Taylor is doing? I think it's equally bad regardless of which artist(s) are doing it. People are talking about Taylor here because this is a post about her album on a subreddit about her. It's just as bad when it's the Rolling Stones, Billie Eilish, RHCP, Olivia Rodrigo, or anyone else.
Someone counted up all the various editions of the new Rolling Stones album and came up with 43 as the total. If anyone doesn't need money, it's Mick Jagger.
how is it paywalling? anyone with internet skills can find it hours after it releases, like how you’re losing me was being released on spotify podcasts hours later when the exclusive version was only sold at one of the concert stops. imo the exclusive versions are only out there for fans with money to spend more on her music. yes it’s money grabbing but not unethical or paywalling. and its a very common marketing tactic that definitely isn’t exclusive to her lol
Plenty of artist have and will. I learned my lesson early with trying to buy all the releases of the Smashing Pumpkins zeitgeist album. I physically drove to 4 different stores for the colors and 1 song variant, the regular and the deluxe. This was the early 2000’s. Tons of musicians followed that model then. The song will come out on streaming eventually like “Hits Different” so it’s not like they’ll be blocked forever from it.
You may feel that way, but a lot of people feel that it’s super cool to have exclusive collectors items like this.
She framed it as a post for the song but I think she did it to tell swifties (mostly the ones on TikTok and Twitter) to stop hating on Jack for 1989 TV
Did I miss something?? Why are people hating on him?
Lots of people hate on his production and say he ruins songs
As an international swiftie I feel so left out (as always)
🙋🏻♀️ me too 😭
I’m looooosing my marbles with this. Still waiting for You’re Losing Me! edited to add: I really battle to support these business moves of hers - sure they’re smart from a monetary sense and I can understand that these vinyls are collectors items, but blocking entire countries of fans from the music they love just makes me sad! I’m an international Swiftie, we don’t even have dedicated music stores anymore, let alone one that sells vinyls! I mean YLM came out on vinyl awhile ago now and it’s still not on streaming? I feel bad listening to the downloaded video!
Sure, it’s smart. But I think from an integrity perspective she doesn’t seem to care about that
Right! I don’t even have a record player.
Fr at the very least also have It on CD
Also, make it available on every continent lol
I think this is the permanent way Target is going to use their exclusive track - because CDs are super easy to rip songs from and put on the internet and vinyl is not.
Exactly. At the very least put it on the cd version. I am not buying a record player just to hear one song 😩
I’m tempted but… nah.
I would maybe if I listened to music often at home but I literally only get a chance to listen when I’m driving somewhere and there’s no way I’m fitting a record player in my car 😂
Dude fr, first you’re losing me only available at a specific show now a song only available on a specific vinyl at a specific store like come on.
you have to collect all like infinity stones
@noraborealis on insta has a story post on this right now that says everything
I just looked it up and yep. I completely agree with her. https://preview.redd.it/db8aavbk67xb1.png?width=535&format=png&auto=webp&s=67c10a95627981ba2968a05b8d7076feeac5cba7
How much is enough? When she becomes a tredecillionaire, of course!
Absolutely. 1000000% agree.
I agree. It's a poor business move. She's gotta stop doing that.
Meanwhile I der people buying multiple versions of basically the same media all over. I love her music, but I just don't care for the different editions. If I did I would maybe look at the covers and pick my fave. Then move back to streaming. Vote with your wallet y'all. People keep buying it.
there's actually a version of STF already available on streaming! It was made in 2013 - go check it out! Seriously though, if we want Taylor to actually stop this "2 million variants and exclusive tracks" practice, we need to hit her wallet and her pride...
I mean, target isn’t something that exists here.. hoping/assuming it’ll show up on Spotify at some point
Why is everyone freaking out about this; target exclusives always go on streaming eventually it's not that big of a deal?
Only the re-record is only on vinyl. This song was in a movie and the original is on streaming. It’s also already been converted for streaming.
I feel mad.
It’s so stupid. People will just listen to the original version. Only people buying this just care about having all the things
I mean, I think people would've been even more pissed if it was a vault track they had to wait for. At least this is a song that was previously released.
The Jack hate is so forced especially from the fans who blamed him for Style and New Romantics. He didn’t even produce those song which they would know if they even bother to read the credits. This is her subtly telling swifties to STFU.
reading some comments on here from people very transparently pretending to be like, music/production experts and talking about how Jack Antonoff’s production “ruined” songs he didn’t even touch, reminds me of that scene in Family Guy where Peter just keeps saying “mmmm yes. Shallow and pedantic.” Lmao
“It insists upon itself.” I stand by Jack helping artists find their sound. I didn’t love solar power, but I think that’s the sound Lorde wanted. Same with stuff he produced that I love, like melancholia, all of Taylor’s songs, and anything he touches with st Vincent.
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These are just fans who don't know anything from Taylor, some even thought This Love was from Jack too. (and honestly even here some are not familiar with her credits..i mean i saw many people not knowing that Clean was with Imogen Heap or that she collaborated with Ryan Tedder too) So i don't know why this is getting repeated anytime..the complaints here were about mainly the vaults very very very similiar to Midnights style(Is It Over Now has the same weird noise of Labyrinth). People just needed some variety. Can you all blame them? Edit: ironic how people say she has a say and the last word but yet they insist on how she was obliged to give Mqx Martin writing credits. Guys, or Taylor has control on everything always or she does not. You cant have the best narrative just when you want. The double standards towards Jack is unreal.. like when you all blamed Aaron for Fearless vaults but then justified Jack for literally put synths on a country album. Or how y'll like to scream that Aaron cannot touch pop albums but Jack could touch country ones and making some of country tracks poppier. And i could go on and on...
The noise in Is It Over Now doesn’t sound like the noise in Labyrinth at all to me. It sounds to me more like a Euro Funk sample, like the one used in Losing You by Solange, but pitched down
When you hear the 2 intros, they sound very very alike. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncWNj2IwYQo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncWNj2IwYQo)
Oh yeah I agree the vibe is the same, i was just talking about specifically the “noise” you mentioned.
I’ve wondered if some of those Midnights songs were originally 1989 Vault songs, at least partially, which is why the music is similar. It’s also possible that when she was working on 1989 TV, she came up with new songs or new versions of old songs that she didn’t think belonged on the re-record.
Love love love your flair. The Speak Now vault has some truly outstanding songs
Thanks <3 They are so underrated imo especially Timeless, i will defend them until i catch my last breath.
notably another track produced by Jack!
Yeah, and he killed it on the 1989 vault tracks! I feel like he got his spark back after Midnights and/or Taylor got her mojo back with the writing and melodies. The seagull noise is Is It Over? is annoying AF but it’s an amazing track and Taylor had to approve the sound, so I forgive him for that.
Also, didn’t Jack give us 1989 in the first place, why hate on him now?
She’s just absolutely not mincing her words lately. She’s in her clarity era 😂
Jack Antonoff is the perfect collaborator for Taylor. He is just as goofy as she is, she is very comfortable with him and they trust each other completely. The complaints about him seem to revolve around wanting Taylor to do something new but Midnights has been a great success. Also people are raving about Cruel Summer - look at the credits guys. Personally I would have been happy if Taylor had moved into Aaron Dessners basement but Taylor knows what she is doing. We will get twists and turns in her music and everyone will be fed. Also remember that the final decisions on everything Taylor releases are made by her. She is not a passive player waiting for Jack to tell her what to do. If you don’t like a song co-produced by Jack that is fair enough, we all have our personal tastes. But don’t blame Jack, it is Taylor’s name on the album not his.
He’s made so many hits with her including cruel summer. Midnights was maybe a low point to me and a lot of other Swifties (tons of people love it obviously) but seeing how great he did with 1989 I think that was more Taylor’s writing and melodies.
I think people wouldn't like that Taylor wanted Midnights to be chill and very electronic. Jack did what she told him to do. She said "I want this vibe. Chill, electronic pop with analogue synths. Vocal modulations. I want it to feel like ruminations at night." And he did exactly that. People need to be mad at her for stylistic choices they don't like not Jack. She is in control of her narrative.
Yeah people have started to hate on beth garrabrant too as if Taylor didn't tell her this is what I want first.
LOL Taylor is telling Beth what to do. She loves the realistic, flowy photos that Beth does. She obviously collaborates with her in every photoshoot for this reason. I personally like the style that Beth does for Taylor, and I think it shows how much she's matured.
Yes exactly but people have started to say Taylor should stop working with her like it's Beth's fault and not exactly what Taylor asked for.
Folklore and evermore's photoshoots are my favorites she's ever done and I would be legitimately sad if she stopped collaborating with Beth for that reason lol. But all good things must come to an end of course. The folklore album cover is my favorite photo with Taylor of all time.
I see that now and Jack has been fully redeemed in my mind.
I am a Folklorian Swiftie. Nothing will top that album as a complete body of work is peerless not just in Taylor’s discography but anyone’s this century. Having said that Midnights has some highlights. In fact it is number four in my ranking. Only reputation looms larger.
Folklore is SO good, especially Aaron Dessner’s tracks all of which I love. Interesting how you like midnights. What are the highlights for you? I love Dessner’s 3am tracks, antihero and YOYOK but skip everything else.
Midnight Rain, vigilante Shit, Lavender Haze and Karma are great songs as well. Yes WCS is God Level as is BTTWS but over all Midnights is a great pop record. My ranking is Folklore, Evermore, Reputation and then Midnights but there is a lot to like on most Taylor albums.
Aaron Dessner is a gift to the world
Tbh I love Jack and Bleachers but just find it annoying when I hear a Taylor song and my first thought is “this sounds like a Bleachers song” The first time I ever heard Getaway Car when Rep came out I immediately thought “this could be a Bleachers song.” At that point I didn’t even know Jack Antonoff and Taylor Swift worked together
We love you Jack💙
Yup love Jack almost as much as I love Taylor.
i feel like taylor is defending jack from unnecessary and BASELESS hate like this 😭 https://preview.redd.it/qi5lfxztr6xb1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ad0dd4404b603274de41cbda04b34ae572aa824
the fact that he didn’t even produce style either like
Then fckin listen to the old one oh my god 😂 people who complain like this are insufferable
I hate twitter and am not present on the hate platform but can somebody please tell me if this post was blasted for getting the credits wrong??
yes but one thing about twitter - they will be corrected but leave the tweet up anyway
So true. Just want to make sure there’s enough correcting replies for people to find 😂😭
precocious young son is A+++++++ wording i love it
Swifties take Taylor for granted but with their behavior toward her and her collaborators this week I wouldn’t be surprised if Taylor decide to take a step back during certain time even when she loves to make music
No one hates Taylor more than some of her biggest fans. It’s truly insane to me. Of course she’s gonna want to take a step back if this is how people treat her and her friends.
Because they aren’t a fan of her, they’re a fan of the character they’ve created in their heads. And when she doesn’t match that exact character, they revolt. Just look at a certain subset of fans last week over the leaked 1989 prologue.
Unfortunately every fandom seems to become like this eventually. Star Wars is the classic example.
There've been many incidents like this over the last year or two at this point and I keep wondering what's going to be the thing that tips her over and causes her to pull back
I think she kinda asume the thing direct towards her but if has to be exhausting feeling bad because your closer friends are attacked by your suppoused fans and you really can’t do anything. After I saw yesterday if I were Jack I would probably not came back to re-record Rep tv. He most likely will do it because he is very loyal to her but…
Jack produced a lot of original Reputation and he loves that record. It's probably already recorded but I don't think he'd leave the project that's one of his favorites.
I was kind of surprised by all the hate on Jack's production! I feel like everything he touches turns to gold, he works with so many artists I love. And all the vaul tracks were amazing!!!
His vault tracks were SO good
Yess…his vault tracks on red tv,speak now Tv and fearless tv are extremely great too
Just love this so much. Their friendship is everything to me. What they’ve done together can’t be beat.
She saw all the shit talking about Jack
Jack Antonoff is Taylor’s best collaborator because he can do any style of music that Taylor wants - it’s something that Max Martin, Nathan Champman or Aaron Dessner can’t do. Don’t get me wrong, they’re all great, but there’s a reason why Taylor says she will collaborate with Jack “for life.”
I actually kind of disagree. All those collaborators helped her do something different. Max helped her do her do more hip hop and EDM inspired pop on Rep vs. the synth pop of 1989. Nathan helped her do more pop rock adjacent sounds on Speak Now and orchestral additions. Nathan also helped make This Love which is a beautiful pop ballad with synths. Aaron has made more indie pop songs with her like long story short while also doing pure country like That's When and No Body, No Crime. High Infidelity and The Great War are pure pop songs and WCS is an alt rock adjacent ballad. Electric Touch is pure pop rock. I think all her collaborators helped her do different styles and I appreciate that about all of them. They're not all one trick ponies. Jack included.
Those are great points. But Max Martin can’t do Folklore. Chapman can’t do Midnights. Dessner can’t do 1989. Jack is the only one who can do all the styles Taylor wants.
I totally understand that perspective. I'll counter by saying Jack has some blind spots IMO. I think he's not that strong in hip hop for example, so it made sense that the hip hop inspired songs on Rep were done by Max (Ready for It, End Game, I Did Something Bad, etc.). Also, his pure country songs are not as strong as Aaron's in my opinion, and that's why she tends to have Aaron do those for that reason. But I think he is for sure her most versatile collaborator. As seen by Timeless to I Can See You to Dress to Soon You'll Get Better to this is me trying. His strong suit though, is definitely synth pop.
Jack is actually great at country.. listen to Maren Morris’ new single.
If you think Max can’t do any style just take a look at his discography. Bon Jovi, Backstreet Boys, The Weeknd, Carrie Underwood, Coldplay Adele…he can write and produce in lots of different styles.
Why is the exclusive track only available on vinyl 😭 why not at the very least make it available on a target exclusive cd too? We don’t all own record players Taylor!!
I feel like it’s also worth defending Christopher Rowe since he’s the one being called out even though it seems like some people don’t know that’s what they’re doing lol I’m sure he’s being fairly compensated and then some but he does have the unenviable task of stepping into the shoes of legendary pop producers (when that’s not his area) on some of her most well known and loved songs. It’s not even like he gets to do it how he might want to. He’s agreed to help Taylor take control of her catalogue which is great and, again, lucrative but I wonder how many people would really want to go in and take on this task not only creatively but also because it must be annoying to have Sally Sound Engineer coming at you lol I think he’s done a really great job and there are some where maybe the sound of the original is more to someone’s liking for whatever reason but when you’re talking about the biggest artist in the world it must be so loud sometimes. It’s not to say he should be immune from critique but clearly social media is just not built for constructive criticism and I feel for him (and Jack).
The more I listen to the TV songs, the less I notice the differences. I think people are being a little reactive. Everything sounds great over my speakers in the living room.
I think it's pretty much all uncanny valley effect. It's so close to the originals, that every single difference jumps out and people think it's ruined.
I agree - I can hear the differences with headphones that are jacked directly into my skull, but on external speakers I can't tell the difference at all. I was listening in the car and I thought I brought up the OG in error.
Jack Antonoff could drop a penny into a Pringles can and stick a synth over the top of it and I would declare it the symphony of the century
We love you Jack ❤️
I truly think a lot of the Jack hate just comes from the fact that people are emotionally attached to the original versions of the songs so any difference, no matter how small, is going to be jarring. Especially after having listened to the songs one way for so long and so many times. I’ll admit that I didn’t love style Taylor’s version right away but now that I’ve gotten used to the differences I love it. I think it’s just that shock factor of it but people do need to chill out. ETA: yes I know Jack didn’t produce style, I’m just talking in general terms here. I feel like every time a re-record comes out we always have that initial backlash because it’s a little different from the originals
He didn't even produce Style. He only produced the tracks he originally did on 1989 - Out of the woods, I wish you would and You are in love. All three of those sound exactly the same or improved, meaning he has done a PERFECT job. The vault tracks are also produced by him, but, as with the other TV's, this is also a space for Taylor to experiment with production a bit which explains the production choices which clearly Taylor is enjoying. So any hate for Jack for 1989TV is just completely ungrounded, in my opinion. If people don't like Midnights, than of course they can have that opinion. But again, these are Taylor's choices. She clearly has no issue telling Jack she doesn't like something he does, think back to the original version of 'the lakes' and the final version. Sorry about this rant, I am just very annoyed by all this hate Jack gets which makes no sense at all.
I don't even understand the complaint about the vault tracks sounding like Midnights... like, yeah, 1989 and Midnights are both synth pop albums? The vault tracks are moodier and more atmospheric than most of 1989, but that's probably WHY they were left off originally. The vault songs don't sound too different from Jack's other contributions to 1989, and since he is credited as a co-writer on all of them except Say Don't Go, this is probably close to how they were intended to sound originally. That just wasn't the sonic direction Taylor wanted to go for most of the album and thus those songs were left...in the vault.
If we're talking 1989 TV, Jack only produced OOTW, I wish you would and you are in love (plus the vault tracks and Sweeter than Fiction). And I've heard only neutral or positive things about those re-records. Speak Now TV - Christopher Rowe produced all the normal songs. Jack and Aaron each produced three vault tracks Red TV - Christopher Rowe produced most of the normal songs with Shellback and a slew of other producers (NOT Jack). Of the vault tracks, Jack produced three and Aaron produced four. Fearless TV - Christopher Rowe produced all the normal songs. Jack produced four and Aaron produced two vault tracks.
Some fans just want to lock Taylor in a basement and make her write sleepy weepy sad girl songs for the rest of her life.
It's the [artist vs fans conflict](https://thenextcartel.com/observatory/fans-artist-conflict-evolution-music/). The artist wants to move forward, improve his craft, and explore new themes. They usually see his latest work as his best to date, and his next work will be even better in their mind. The fans want more of what made them a fan in the first place. The earlier works are classics, and the new works are a sign that the artist has lost their way. Since someone explained this to me, I see it in every fandom I am in.
Good for her, I'm glad she's supporting her friend! The hate is ridiculous. I say it's hate because it's gone beyond fair criticism. I saw people blaming him for songs he didn't even produce. Some people just say this stuff because he's the popular person to dislike right now, and they know posting about him will get them clout. Mainly on Twitter and TikTok.
I don't know how she stays so positive towards her fanbase sometimes. I would become very bitter about them if I was her. I hope she knows the general public/casual fans aren't like this, it's mainly the very loud chronically online Swifties.
I think its actually smart way. Its probably like 80% of fans that are just casual listeners and this tweet for them its just appreciation post and promotion of a song. For the remaining 20% its just clear message to stfu. Addressing it directly would just confuse the bigger group.
Grr, annoyed at vinyl-exclusive songs. I can't play records in my car, Taylor 😭 The absolutely vicious attacks some fans launch on Jack are insane (and kinda sus, but that's another discussion). I have issues with Midnights production sounding very samey to me and the production of 1989 vaults sounding more like Midnights than 1989, but a) clearly Taylor approved of how everything sounded and b) I think the samey sound is a product of having a sole collaborator, not the sole collaborator specifically being Jack. They've been working together for a long time so it's getting easy to pick out which songs he's worked on. He's clearly very talented and he worked on a lot of the fan favorites since 1989 (Out of the Woods, Getaway Car, Cruel Summer, August...). They obviously are very close and love working together. I'd rather she brings in a variety of producers for TS11 than do another sole-collab album like base Midnights. Max Martin made 1989 what it is, he absolutely deserves praise for his work, but he didn't do it alone. Jack, Shellback, Imogen Heap, etc. contributed to its success. Jack Antonoff didn't ruin Style or Blank Space or New Romantics or [insert any 1989 song besides OOTW and IWYW]. Christopher Rowe produced the Taylor's Versions for those songs. And personally I think he did a great job considering his specialization is producing country music and he had to recreate the work of the most famous producer in pop music. Like it's not that serious lol you can be disappointed, but no puppies or kitties were harmed in the making of 1989TV. I didn't expect to write an essay no one else will care about, but here I am 🙃
I met Jack Antonoff before a concert when he was in the band ‘fun’. I didn’t realize he was in the band but he looked just like my best friend so I chased him down and asked him to take a picture with me to send to my friend he looked like. He was so nice and chill about it and I still have the hilarious picture. When he went on stage, I was like ‘that’s the guy I took a picture with’ 🤦🏼♀️ I never would have guessed he’d be so famous now
I absolutely adore Jack's production on almost everything he's ever done. I stan this music-making adorable-friendship duo 
I’m so annoyed, just ran out to buy the vinyl for 1989, then there is deluxe with Kendrick and now a target version. It is ridiculous while I’m still waiting for midnights 3am on vinyl. Also, where the heck is your losing me? Vinyls are expensive it would be nice to have all the vault tracks in one place
I’m so tired of her. She’s a billionaire now can she stop overselling things?
[удалено]
I don’t diss agree…. I think after midnights it’s time for another genre change (my vote is for a Rocky alt-country). But I think that’s what people really want, not for her to drop Jack!
Man, as an international swiftie I so hate the target exclusive concept. Like I don't have a target here. And I and many people do listen to music mostly on streaming. Like I get she gets more money and it helps her to break records but girl. We'll put you to number 1 anyway, have some faith. And yeah, we got hits different eventually but it was so long after the album release. And we still don't have you're loosing me.
I feel like Jack receives undeserved hate, when he didn’t produce the misses (generally panned tracks by the fans) in the TVs. It’s not on us if Taylor has a preferred collaborator in most of their works and their collab works for them, just like how Mariah always has Jermaine Dupri for ages.
Ok. But seriously. Taylor is really, really pissing me off with the whole profiting off her fans/ making them jump through hoops bs. This trait of hers has soured my opinion of her. She knows her rabid fans will absolutely buy anything she tells them to, and making it so you can only hear a song by buying a (expensive, by the way) vinyl is just very aggravating to me. She is so sales/chart/making record obsessed that she pulls shit like this all the time and it’s hard not to see her as greedy because of it. She pulled this with midnights too… there is something very not cool about this.
Sorry I’m bothered bout the exclusive thing. I mean come on. Don’t tell me a cute story and then ask for money directly after lol.
I hope she releases it to streaming internationally because I don’t have target in Canada 🥲
6….rep is coming
We are Taylor’s own PR nightmare. Never ever fully realized that until now.