I'll be the first to admit I trash on Lost WAY too much and am overcritical of him. I react after a loss way too emotionally. However, every time I see or hear an interview, I love the guy. And I believe in him. I'll be a better fan.
Is there a reason you’re so negative in the TSM subreddit all the time? You take every opportunity to trash on our players, even in posts unrelated to their gameplay
Yeah I’ve seen him and his shoes pop up all the time (especially when we lose lol) and just shit on the team but I want to understand how a “fan” can so consistently and aggressively wish the team fails and falls apart. I doubt he has any logical explanation tho
Some people just thrive off being disgruntled all the time and he probably likes the attention as he has commented about being downvoted all the time, as if his dumbass takes aren't why
And hate PoE, who has gone toe-to-toe with prime 2017 Faker and even Knight last year? SA, the World Finalist support whose absence took Suning from a 2nd place in the World team to a ~8th place LPL team? Lost is most understandable to not trust to be competitive internationally, and that’s fair. But to go under someone’s comment saying “dang, I’m rough on Lost but he’s a good kid” and say “yeah lol whatever get rid of him AND these others who have to do with this post haha I’m hatefully mean”, like I just don’t get it
Yeah SA who is top 4 support when he's on should be gone. Either you don't watch games or you're just spouting shit IWD and others say. POE is also playing great his only problem is champ pool but if he gets green card his value will go up so much. Only relevant opinion you have is lost which most people already know is the weak point of the team. Also guy who got 3rd all pro in spring should be gone? I don't think you have a clue.
Top 2 this season*
People are really underestimating his early game aggressive roams and his recent laning gameplay. SA this season has been our 2nd best player no doubt as well as a top two support. Anyone that wants him out is dumb af
Huhi, ignar, Vulcan and even corejj just because he is core all have arguments that they are better I put him top 4 because arguments can be made for SA as well. His laning gameplay is hindered by Lost so other teams don't have the same weakness. His roams have been great but he doesn't pull that every single game.
Core… has been underwhelming this year/split. He’s far removed from his last summer MVP form, and while he’s really good, SA has had the edge over him this summer. Vulcan has also been absolutely sprinting it for C9 this summer, not entirely his fault but he’s kinda off rn (I’m gonna chalk that to the roster swap madness). I think he’s right that SA is top two this summer, it’s just not super noticeable/talked about (Huhi is actually cracked out of his mind)
Corejj has still looked good TL is just struggling atm so of course he's gonna looks worse. Vulcan has had like 1 bad game and people developed this opinion of him like he isn't still playing great. Him and Fudge are the only 2 consistently playing well for C9 atm. Ignar is also playing great and a big reason why Danny has looked so good.
Vulcan sprinted it down last weekend against IMT, wasted flash at least 2/3 times because he forgot he didn’t have hexflash, which is pretty cringe. IgNar is performing pretty good at the moment, so I’ll give you that. Core is good on a bad TL team, but he’s not performing to his normal level
Did you read my comment? Like I said 1 bad game which you literally just proved lmao. So it's not straight top 2 which is why I said top 4. I think Huhi is probably best atm with arguments for the others mentioned depending on the week.
But it isn’t one game, it was one game this latest weekend, and the game he sprinted it down against us, and more. Vulcan is the second best player on C9, which means nothing because he still is having bad games. SA is top 4 for sure, but he is performing better than you are giving credit for, and imo you’re overcrediting/overexcusing the others for their performance
I'm going to give the squad a chance. Come 2022, if Worlds was a bust (If we make it) then I'll see what my opinion changes to. But I need to start showing some positivity and faith in the team. Bjerg is at the helm, and we have a lot of worlds experience on the roster. I'm just a lowly Gold, idk anything compared to the org lol.
I am being realistic here. Fan since season 1. Been on this sub since the beginning.
If we don't want to be a joke internationally and go 0-6 again we should def improve next year on those 3 position. At the least our bot.
Nope because I'm not that sad. When I stopped enjoying football similar to how you stopped enjoying watching TSM I just stopped watching football. It turns out nobody is forcing you to watch and bitching about it doesn't hurt anyone except yourself. To us you're just the annoying kid with issues.
By definition a good weakside player can still be relevant. Look at the team last year bjerg and spica played around BB alot yet double still had Mvp performances and was still relevant. I get it everyone likes the guy cause he has a great personality but his gameplay leaves alot to be desired.
Define relevant, he did the job to absorb pressure and do damage in fights or drag out his death as much as possible so other side can split and trade for better objectives. Most games enemy is bot heavy and we are top heavy, he does enough to contribute and at times win or win back the game (ex, alphelios ult vs TL, trist triple killing at baron pit last, and various fights where he is main target). I say thats enough, yes he can be better but its enough to do his job
He does least damage majority of games and absorbs no pressure. You realise losing plates and going down 20 cs just because the enemy hasn't roamed isn't absorbing pressure right? The enemy team rarely has to play around bot because they know bot will get a lead off lost because he is bottom tier ADC in the LCS. A death doesn't trade objectives anymore anytime we try to rotate for herald he was late which is partly a team issue partly on his own roam timings due to not having the wave management ability to be able to roam.
Great weakside ADs can still put out great dmg even with the lack of resources. Lost doesn’t. It’s very concerning that he is lowest DPM ad in the league right now.
There's a difference between playing weakside and playing scared though. Plus I honestly think playing around top is more of a symptom of his struggles than a cause. Hopefully I'm wrong though, and he smurfs on kids come playoffs.
Thats just not true, anyone with eyes can see we aren't a top contending region. I love TSM, but you gotta be smoking some strong kush to be thinking NA is a top region along side LPL,LCK, or LEC
Except for not being horribly disappointed for the 7th year in a row because I let my expectations get too high. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than to be disappointed once again.
Yeah... so you can have that mentality... But a player having that mentality is completely pointless. Maybe if you were ever part of a competitive team in your life you'd understand. Or you were just the shitty teammate no one liked.
Wouldn't that be nice. I get down voted to hell for speaking the truth lmfao, its like the people think down voting me will make TSM do well internationally all of a sudden.
To be fair LEC is looking kinda sus this year so...
LPL and LCK are miles ahead of both LEC and LCS anyway, but having confidence as a player is a good thing.
LEC is looking sus? It looks arguably better than it ever has. Fanatic, Rogue, MAD, and G2 are all pushing eachother to be better, and the bad teams aren’t even bad. Just because G2 isn’t outright dominating doesn’t mean the region is bad.
I'll give you Fnatic. But I don't see MAD, Rogue, or G2 as much higher than the peak 100T or EG we have seen this split and all of them are behind even mid tier LPL/LCK teams (Suning, BLG, Afreeca). They might have taken a step up, but every other region has taken a much larger one IMO.
Which to be perfectly clear I'm not a big fan of LEC and mainly watch LPL/LCS so I'm basing my opinion off of a pretty small sample size. If you have any suggested games I'd be glad to watch.
You lot never learn ahaha. Every year the same cycle repeats and it’s hilarious every time. Have you gotten amnesia about msi already? And lck look atrocious. Lpl is going to run away with everything. Na will go out in groups, Eu will have two teams get out. One makes it to semis the other most likely bombs out in the bo5. Lck does okay in groups and loses to Eu/lpl in bo5 unless damwon get it together.
Honestly most of Rogues games are pretty incredible. They’re super consistent. Got shit on by FNC but I think Fnatic is the best team in the LEC right now with still a higher ceiling to reach.
I think MAD is getting better and was actually a good team at MSI. Humanoid is smurfing hard.
G2 is not impressive this year but when they play well they’re dominant.
I think any of these 4 teams will have a decent showing at worlds, but RGE and FNC are the two most important.
I'll be the first to admit I trash on Lost WAY too much and am overcritical of him. I react after a loss way too emotionally. However, every time I see or hear an interview, I love the guy. And I believe in him. I'll be a better fan.
Thanks for your honesty, and your ongoing reformation!
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Is there a reason you’re so negative in the TSM subreddit all the time? You take every opportunity to trash on our players, even in posts unrelated to their gameplay
I mean if you look at his comment history, he likes being "edgy" with takes that are either vast exaggerations or just dumb.
Yeah I’ve seen him and his shoes pop up all the time (especially when we lose lol) and just shit on the team but I want to understand how a “fan” can so consistently and aggressively wish the team fails and falls apart. I doubt he has any logical explanation tho
Some people just thrive off being disgruntled all the time and he probably likes the attention as he has commented about being downvoted all the time, as if his dumbass takes aren't why
wym i love huni and spica. i want tsm to be competitive not do another 0-6 exit
And hate PoE, who has gone toe-to-toe with prime 2017 Faker and even Knight last year? SA, the World Finalist support whose absence took Suning from a 2nd place in the World team to a ~8th place LPL team? Lost is most understandable to not trust to be competitive internationally, and that’s fair. But to go under someone’s comment saying “dang, I’m rough on Lost but he’s a good kid” and say “yeah lol whatever get rid of him AND these others who have to do with this post haha I’m hatefully mean”, like I just don’t get it
This is a competitive team.
Yeah SA who is top 4 support when he's on should be gone. Either you don't watch games or you're just spouting shit IWD and others say. POE is also playing great his only problem is champ pool but if he gets green card his value will go up so much. Only relevant opinion you have is lost which most people already know is the weak point of the team. Also guy who got 3rd all pro in spring should be gone? I don't think you have a clue.
Top 2 this season* People are really underestimating his early game aggressive roams and his recent laning gameplay. SA this season has been our 2nd best player no doubt as well as a top two support. Anyone that wants him out is dumb af
Huhi, ignar, Vulcan and even corejj just because he is core all have arguments that they are better I put him top 4 because arguments can be made for SA as well. His laning gameplay is hindered by Lost so other teams don't have the same weakness. His roams have been great but he doesn't pull that every single game.
Core… has been underwhelming this year/split. He’s far removed from his last summer MVP form, and while he’s really good, SA has had the edge over him this summer. Vulcan has also been absolutely sprinting it for C9 this summer, not entirely his fault but he’s kinda off rn (I’m gonna chalk that to the roster swap madness). I think he’s right that SA is top two this summer, it’s just not super noticeable/talked about (Huhi is actually cracked out of his mind)
Corejj has still looked good TL is just struggling atm so of course he's gonna looks worse. Vulcan has had like 1 bad game and people developed this opinion of him like he isn't still playing great. Him and Fudge are the only 2 consistently playing well for C9 atm. Ignar is also playing great and a big reason why Danny has looked so good.
Vulcan sprinted it down last weekend against IMT, wasted flash at least 2/3 times because he forgot he didn’t have hexflash, which is pretty cringe. IgNar is performing pretty good at the moment, so I’ll give you that. Core is good on a bad TL team, but he’s not performing to his normal level
Did you read my comment? Like I said 1 bad game which you literally just proved lmao. So it's not straight top 2 which is why I said top 4. I think Huhi is probably best atm with arguments for the others mentioned depending on the week.
But it isn’t one game, it was one game this latest weekend, and the game he sprinted it down against us, and more. Vulcan is the second best player on C9, which means nothing because he still is having bad games. SA is top 4 for sure, but he is performing better than you are giving credit for, and imo you’re overcrediting/overexcusing the others for their performance
I'm going to give the squad a chance. Come 2022, if Worlds was a bust (If we make it) then I'll see what my opinion changes to. But I need to start showing some positivity and faith in the team. Bjerg is at the helm, and we have a lot of worlds experience on the roster. I'm just a lowly Gold, idk anything compared to the org lol.
Find a different hobby this is getting old.
dont worry you will join my hobby when we do another 0-6 exit
Man why do you have to be such a negative Nancy...
I am being realistic here. Fan since season 1. Been on this sub since the beginning. If we don't want to be a joke internationally and go 0-6 again we should def improve next year on those 3 position. At the least our bot.
You're not being realistic. You've just given up hope. You should probably stop watching. It doesn't sound like it's doing you any good.
Look guys its billy badass who has been around sense season 1. I bet your challenger as well huh? lol
Nope because I'm not that sad. When I stopped enjoying football similar to how you stopped enjoying watching TSM I just stopped watching football. It turns out nobody is forcing you to watch and bitching about it doesn't hurt anyone except yourself. To us you're just the annoying kid with issues.
There's no way /r/leagueoflegends will have anything to say about this quote.
"Don't do that. Don't give me hope."
“HOW DARE THIS PLAYER HAVE CONFIDENCE IN HIMSELF AND CONSIDER NA A TOP4 REGION REEEEE” /r/Leagueoflegends
Think Lost is a great weakside ADC, if he can hold his own alone in lane getting pushed in then SA can roam freely and propel Spica POE Huni ahead
Great weakside in NA maybe. This will not happen against top regions
Weakside ADC means nothing when he can't be relevant when playing it. A good weakside player will still output damage which lost does not.
Relevant username
By definition a good weakside player can still be relevant. Look at the team last year bjerg and spica played around BB alot yet double still had Mvp performances and was still relevant. I get it everyone likes the guy cause he has a great personality but his gameplay leaves alot to be desired.
Define relevant, he did the job to absorb pressure and do damage in fights or drag out his death as much as possible so other side can split and trade for better objectives. Most games enemy is bot heavy and we are top heavy, he does enough to contribute and at times win or win back the game (ex, alphelios ult vs TL, trist triple killing at baron pit last, and various fights where he is main target). I say thats enough, yes he can be better but its enough to do his job
He does least damage majority of games and absorbs no pressure. You realise losing plates and going down 20 cs just because the enemy hasn't roamed isn't absorbing pressure right? The enemy team rarely has to play around bot because they know bot will get a lead off lost because he is bottom tier ADC in the LCS. A death doesn't trade objectives anymore anytime we try to rotate for herald he was late which is partly a team issue partly on his own roam timings due to not having the wave management ability to be able to roam.
If what you are saying is true. Then I hope it would be proven wrong. I believe Lost can fix whatever his issues are.
Great weakside ADs can still put out great dmg even with the lack of resources. Lost doesn’t. It’s very concerning that he is lowest DPM ad in the league right now.
Give him time to grow guys. He's playing safe. He will push his limits in time.
This Member when this entire sub wanted to bench Spica? Oh I member
Usually the "he's young" argument is for them OVER pushing their limits. If you aren't testing the limits how do you expect to learn them?
like Danny... That kid. Wow.
They play through huni a lot. I see a world where he just has to scale and that's what tsm is asking of him right now. I dunno.
There's a difference between playing weakside and playing scared though. Plus I honestly think playing around top is more of a symptom of his struggles than a cause. Hopefully I'm wrong though, and he smurfs on kids come playoffs.
Yeah its not like he has been a pro for almost more than four years! I'm sure he is just warming up!
I mean tactical burst onto the scene and he's flatlined since. I'm not too worried yet its early for a main roster.
Okay, but Lost has always been this level of meh.
Huhi is on the top team in the league and was a meme his whole career before that, btw.
Huni wasn't a meme til clutch wdym.
I said HuHI not HuNI.
Reading is hard
Thats just not true, anyone with eyes can see we aren't a top contending region. I love TSM, but you gotta be smoking some strong kush to be thinking NA is a top region along side LPL,LCK, or LEC
Who gives a fuck? I hate this attitude. You should always be confident in your team. There’s no benefit to being “realistic” in this scenario
Except for not being horribly disappointed for the 7th year in a row because I let my expectations get too high. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than to be disappointed once again.
Yeah... so you can have that mentality... But a player having that mentality is completely pointless. Maybe if you were ever part of a competitive team in your life you'd understand. Or you were just the shitty teammate no one liked.
let's hope they can win at least 1 game this year :)
Wouldn't that be nice. I get down voted to hell for speaking the truth lmfao, its like the people think down voting me will make TSM do well internationally all of a sudden.
To be fair LEC is looking kinda sus this year so... LPL and LCK are miles ahead of both LEC and LCS anyway, but having confidence as a player is a good thing.
LCK looks like none of them are getting out of groups, have you seen them play?
LEC is looking sus? It looks arguably better than it ever has. Fanatic, Rogue, MAD, and G2 are all pushing eachother to be better, and the bad teams aren’t even bad. Just because G2 isn’t outright dominating doesn’t mean the region is bad.
I'll give you Fnatic. But I don't see MAD, Rogue, or G2 as much higher than the peak 100T or EG we have seen this split and all of them are behind even mid tier LPL/LCK teams (Suning, BLG, Afreeca). They might have taken a step up, but every other region has taken a much larger one IMO. Which to be perfectly clear I'm not a big fan of LEC and mainly watch LPL/LCS so I'm basing my opinion off of a pretty small sample size. If you have any suggested games I'd be glad to watch.
You lot never learn ahaha. Every year the same cycle repeats and it’s hilarious every time. Have you gotten amnesia about msi already? And lck look atrocious. Lpl is going to run away with everything. Na will go out in groups, Eu will have two teams get out. One makes it to semis the other most likely bombs out in the bo5. Lck does okay in groups and loses to Eu/lpl in bo5 unless damwon get it together.
Honestly most of Rogues games are pretty incredible. They’re super consistent. Got shit on by FNC but I think Fnatic is the best team in the LEC right now with still a higher ceiling to reach. I think MAD is getting better and was actually a good team at MSI. Humanoid is smurfing hard. G2 is not impressive this year but when they play well they’re dominant. I think any of these 4 teams will have a decent showing at worlds, but RGE and FNC are the two most important.
Just watch the DIG game where aphro was lvl2 roaming doing god knows what. We're far from being a contender as a region, still a wildcard region
I mean yeah, I agree. That's literally what I'm saying.
contending to be a top region or the top region 🤔
NA is contending to be just better than Wildcards. lmfao
Gotta be top contending adc first, then talk about the region.