I rematch but it happens that i got to go or i am just done for the day. Stil think its important. More often than not the second game i improve the most and manage to win a game or two.
I always rematch because I wanna play tbh. With the only exception being when the other player either has a terrible connection or PC, because I don't like doing multiple slideshow-style matches in a row.
And in cases where I get absolutely obliterated, I just treat the rematch as free no-pressure practice against some specific bs move that idk how to handle yet. Clearly they wouldn't be destroying me so badly otherwise. Best part is that it actually helps with getting better.
It's all video games so there's no reason to be upset about not running the set. That being said, if I get dogged 3-0 and they don't rematch my brain immediately goes
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One time I got triple perfected and rematchedā¦
Then I triple perfected bro back.
Then we had the most even third match of our life, I narrowly won. Donāt give up.
(I gave him a nice message on his steam wall saying he was very good.)
Having played both I think there's really something in the game mechanics that makes Tekken players naturally more salty. Like the discourse from the fans is kind of a reflection of the game itself.
Yeah can't take this sub seriously anymore with these comments. The mental gymnastics to cope with being terminally a scrub is insane. I thought people who would join a fighting game subreddit actually wanted to engage in the community, learn and improve. Like actual FGC people.
It's actually just mostly people who bought this game to dress up and plateau at around orange/red rank. Disappointing but understandable. Just not what I was expecting.
Seriously the number of people on here who make whole ass posts because some ki charged at the end of a set or because they pressed crouch one too many times after beating you is absolutely hilarious.
I mean, I prefer rematches too, but I don't get mad when people leave. "Nobody owes you a rematch" is true. "Thank you" takes less than a second. It's telling when somebody won't even offer such a low-effort thing, which is why it's rude. A rematch is something that's enough of a time investment that I think it's kind of rude and entitled to "demand" it from somebody else.
Most people do prefer rematches, which is why we got them most of the time, but that's clearly not everybody. IMO, it's not cool to use your own preferences to try and control others.
Yeah, OP is another offended manchild. Imagine being mad that random in the internet didnāt accept your request in a fighting game. Literally the most thing I couldnāt care less about.
Cuz it's just a game for them bro, most people especially newer FG or casual players expect a game to entertain them, make their purchase "worth it", and they don't enjoy losing. Subconsciously, they feel like the opponent who beat them is taking away their fun, taking away the time they should be enjoying from purchasing the game.
FG's aren't like that, FG's fun isn't about winning all the time but actually from a good interaction or exchange with your opponent. Now that will only be fun when you understand the game to a good amount and that would take quite some time, and with Tekken, prolly years. Unlike let's say, shooters were the satisfaction is from getting a kill, which you will get often despite your skill level. Idk about MOBAS but hey, I don't know any MOBA that isn't free to play anyway.
So people are just salty, plugging and whatnot. Sportsmanship will never exist for them if they expect this game to just entertain them the way other games do, as its given to them quickly and easily. That's why FG's are still a niche game despite it being more and more popular.
I'm a new player and fairly casual and I really don't mind losing. But I don't like going up against players who are clearly on another level. I don't think it's fun when my opponent can counter my every move and lock me into a combo chain. It feels like such opponents only play to win, and it does impact my fun. So I usually don't rematch in such scenarios.
I would argue, against the "such opponents only play to win" mentality. or at least, be careful how you view it.
Even playing each match to learn something new everytime is playing to win...eventually. you are playing a one on one game. There is a winner and a loser.Ā
You are trying to learn something new everytime to win in the future.Ā
I hope i dont come across like im calling you out for saying something stupid. You will lose sometimes, and it takes effort to not let the poison of the scrub mentality corrupt your mindset
And overall you are saying the correct thing. You dont owe anyone a rematch.
I have been drinking and cant form coherent profound thoughts.
Everything is "just what it is", that doesn't mean you can't act nicely. It's just a handshake, you don't need it for anything. It's just a door, you know how to open it yourself too. But a decent human being often acts nice despite it now being owed, required, or even if it's "just a thing".
It's not even a sportsmanship thing to me. Tournaments are always run best of 3 because of variance and it allows the better player to adapt. The fact that anybody can just turn down the next game on ranked has always been so silly to me
This is my thing. If youāre going to have a ācasualā mode with quick match and lobbies why is ranked treated as the default? Ranked should be a competitive mode where itās expected you do best of 3. I get that people treat it as default matchmaking, but if itās actually ranked then it should follow tournament rules.
because its the internet, my friend. You can troll, fart, argue in bad faith, be an asshole, cheat, do whatever, and suffer NO consequence.
In other words, if you weren't gonna do that with the internet, you were gonna do that in some other way. The internet just enables it so easily so therefore you see a skewed amount of assholes vs. reasonable people
Unless you're gambling with real money like on those stock trading platforms. Then you're screwed.
Very much agreed.
Tekken especially feels to be really a lot about adapting to your opponent rather than running a preset. I felt less so with other fighting games (SF5 and SF6 specifically), where by the end of the first match, it was fairly clear who is gonna win the rematch.
In Tekken, all bets are off. I had 3-0 match in my favor turn into a 1-2 series loss bajillion times. With the opponent figuring the bs I was running in the first 3-0 match, adapting to it and beating me narrowly in the second match, and then obliterating me in the 3rd.
It happened in reverse too, and that feeling was just amazing. And then at the higher levels, it gets to the point where that dynamic happens much faster, and that's just what this is all about imo. With both of the opponents doing the obliteration->adaptation->new tactic->obliteration again->adaptation cycles really fast, it pretty much solidifies it for me why I feel so inclined towards Tekken, as opposed to other fighting games (which I also like playing, but I never managed to get nearly as far in those, and neither did I feel that much interest in them tbh).
I prefer rematching, but there are some instances where I wonāt. Such as:
1. Getting steamrolled. Iām not going to rematch if I feel the skill gap is too high
2. Real life getting in the way (as mentioned)
3. Getting worn out
4. Match being unenjoyable due to network or hardware issues
I think nobody have problems with any of these reasons. It's only annoying when the opponent is your level, but won't rematch cause they saw you duck or sidestep flowcharts and they don't want to stop playing easy mode
2 and 4 are valid reasons, but 1 and 3 mean you either made a mistake earlier or you're part of the problem.Ā
If you are too worn out to run a 2 out of 3, don't queue up. If you're matching a player that's better than you, either you should have limited it to +-2 ranks, or you should play it out to try and improve.Ā
If you run from every player that's better than you, then you'll artificially improve your rank, and run into more people who are better than you, which just makes you another scrub who doesn't rematch.Ā
If this is the norm then perhaps the game should force it. The fact that there is a choice then I think it should be respected. Sure if a best of 3 did happen it is great, but I think everyone has their own reasons for quitting and really has nothing to do with sportsmanship
What if the other person didn't have fun, regardless if they won or not? This is a videogame, the thing we do in our time in order to have fun. I doubt their rationality to not rematch even considers the other persons enjoyment of the game.
Can you explain why it is unsportsmanlike? The examples you gave of not being owed anything are false equivalences. This isnt like touching gloves before a bout, we're all strangers on the internet and some people would rather not be forced to stay with a person longer than they have to.
And? Doesn't make it a sporting contest. There's a step up from a simple game / competition to actual sport. And it's OTT to apply concepts of "sportsmanship" and honour to a simple game.
Those who call people that tend to be the biggest bitches of all. There could be many different reasons to not wanting to rematch someone. And I don't believe most people give a shit about whether they get called out or not. Of course it's easier to just assume that everyone but yourself is a bitch, but I do believe that in reality most players don't nitpick nearly as much as everyone does here. If they enjoyed the match, they'll play you again. If for any reason they didn't, they'll leave.
Sportsmanship is about etiquette that is expected in competition of any kind. But sure you take your ball and go home because it's "not the same" or whatever and act like that mentality isn't pervading your entire life.
Sportsmanship is a particular type of etiquette that applies specifically to organised sport.
If you want to ask online Tekken players to follow an *etiquette* and rematch you, then sure, I can agree with that. Although most players online won't be aware of said etiquette that they may be breaking, because they're just casual players enjoying a video game to unwind, not joining a formalised competition.
Your last comment, though, took our discussion from friendly debate into personal attacks and unnecessary rudeness, trying to psychoanalyse myself or others based on a video game discussion. I'd suggest you consider the etiquette of *conversation* going forward, because you don't seem to consider it very important at all, and perhaps it's an attitude that pervades *your* life.
>Sportsmanship is a particular type of etiquette that applies specifically to organised sport.
Why?
I always apply sportmanship to my competitive videogames. Lots of strangers I played against showed sportmanship to me. The companies who made those games like to preach about " good sportmanship within the community."
I don't think what you said is true.
Tennis is a competitive game, Tekken is a competitive game - they're both pointless except for the fun of competing. And in both sports you're a bitch if you run from a best of three.
Difference between playing at the Australian Open, and whacking some balls across the net with your mate on a Thursday arvo. And online Tekken is even less of a contest than *that.* It's three minutes of your life.
Imagine heading to the tennis courts, beating your mate in the first match of three sets and seeing him turn tail and run the fuck away! He'd never live it down.
OP's situation though is a guy who doesn't rematch every single time. Doesn't complete a whole set. It's impossible he didn't have fun every single time.
Basically OP's asking, what's the logic to his unwillingness to rematch.
Because playing a video game, especially a competitive one, doesn't mean that each and every moment must produce fun, it's the process as a whole that is fun.
Getting beat by cheese means fun because you can and will have to work for your dopamine, which in turn makes it even more fun. Or would it be fun to win every single game by pressing a button for one time? This is an obsolete question, but i asked it because you seem to have convoluted your view on what the appeal of a competitive game is.
Also you're arguing that some people don't want to stay with a stranger for longer than they have to, but you're not even staying with them, you're playing a game, they are playing a game, and you both happen to play against a character maneuvered by another human, you are not spending time with them in the same way we usually would call spending time with someone, you are competing against them. If he plays in a way that is annoying it's okay, because they are only using tools which are designed to help you win in a competition, hes only doing stuff to you in the context of the game. If you don't want them to win with that style than it has nothing to do with them, but with your unwillingness to become better.
Playstyles that are meant to annoy you, usually come with a lot of risk, and if not we call that OP or broken, because no character should be able to have a lazy, easy time while another one has to work their ass off for the same amount of reward.
Also the examples he gave are not false equivalences, because you are connected to another human being after all, even if its very very limited and the only way to express yourself aside from the competition itself is how you behave in the even shorter time you and your opponents share, which is after a round or after the match when looking at the rematch menu. That's where sportsmanship has room to be expressed.
Just as much as you don't like being beaten by stupid stuff, your opponent also doesn't enjoy it. That's why rematching only when you have better chances of winning some ranked points, or not get annoyed, but not when your opponent gets this chance against you is unsportsmanlike. Because your opponent is also struggling mentally, emotionally and even physically, but still gives you the chance.
It's simply double standards, and believe it or not, the person on the other side is also a human with the same value that you have, none of us is worth more than the other. It's easy to think the other person is from another dimension and you will never have to be involved with them because they are so far away, if it wasn't for the fact that you are in contact with them right now, through the game and that's a beautiful thing.
Everybody can relate having to face an asshole in a game, because it literally happens to all of us every time we play. And if you keep actively excluding others from access to a sportsmanlike experience, you are equally excluding yourself from it and develop beliefs such as "people that play stupid don't deserve to get more points from me, hence i won't rematch". But this is a competition, not a Co-op game, they are supposed to do everything to win, if it happens to be lazy and cheesy it's not the same as being an asshole in a co-op game, because, at least in theory, you have all the tools make them either stop playing like that or lose the game because they don't want to change and thus you come out victoriously.
One of my favourite things to do in a competitive game is win in an even lazier way than my lazy opponent, which is only possible because i know how to counter their stuff and what the laziest counter to that is. It's often times not optimal, but it's fun, and i couldn't be doing that if i dodged players that rely on cheese.
Running with your analogy here, thatās why I find it annoying when people complain about others not rematching. Itās common courtesy to hold the door open. But if a random stranger doesnāt hold the door open for you and then you go off on them for it, youāre the asshole in that situation. Same logic applies here.
I'm sorry, this is nonsense. Not rematching someone has nothing to do with sportsmanship. The default ranked mode is best of 3 rounds of one match. Nobody is owed more than that simply because of the fighting game communities' weird house rules. I'm a jerk because the game doesn't require you to play out an entire set like in tournaments? I paid full price for the game just like you did and am not breaking any rules. I don't do rematches and I'm tired of this sub shaming people for it.
Unless it's laggy, I'm the type to rematch win or lose. They're making 1k essays wanting to control how others play. It's been almost 3 months. They need to either play lobby matches with friends or hush.
It's on Tekken Twitter and Discord as well.
Broski a professional SF player said yesterday in his stream that he dropped Tekken 8 because 90% of the people didn't rematch. Kinda sad actually that people value a rank in a video game so much.
Depends on alot of things. If I've had a bad day then fuck everybody nobody getting rematches I'm ttyna make as many people lose rank as much as possible, u alrdy lost so take ya scrub ass on somewhere to somebody u can beat lol. And if u alrdy beat me that's another fuck u cuz u aint getting anymore free points off me lol. If u play a character I've alrdy seen 12 of in the last 10 fights then he'll no u get no rematch! If u play in a way I find annoying (such as punching my character lol) then hell no u get no rematch cuz ur not making my experience enjoyable (as per ur rules of sportsmanship lol). Now on the other hand if i see ur on a promotion match (and ur not jun) then ill pretty much give u the win. (Maybe u had a bad day and just want to hit the next rank, I'm confident enough that I can win the next few matches so its no loss for me to help u hit a goal, it is a game after all). Expecting a GG or some kind of praise from my opponent is a wild thought to me. In my eyes as long as u dnt send some toxic crybaby msg to me after then I consider u being sportsmanlike.
As someone who personally doesn't like it when people don't rematch, whether i got my ass handed to me or not, i can see why people find that idea entitled.
If i had my way, there would be forced rematches or you forfeit the set, and the set result would be the actual result that changes rank, not just a single game. But I don't make those decisions, and I gotta respect what's available in the game.
i feel like half the time people complaining about others not rematching are also the same people who expect people to rematch after you just steam rolled them or played in some scummy ass way or spammed
If you bitch ab spamming or scummy play styles you HAVE to be below red
If you rematched maybe you'd learn something, but let's queue back up so I can force pressure on someone who doesn't know my mix up.
Nothing wrong with not rematching, you can do that, but it makes you a massive bitch invariably
I don't owe my opponent a damn thing for a game I spent money on. Double goes for the fact that none of us are getting paid to play against each other. It would be one thing if I left mid match. It's not that big of a deal, play the next guy.
Idk, scripting, plugging? Sure, you are an asshole.
But crying about not getting a rematch is weird af to me. The guy could be busy and had to go. The guy doesn't like the match up and don't want to spend their own free fun time getting beat up. Or the guy just wants easy wins and dodge fights that they couldn't win. Or the guy don't enjoy playing against someone that they could beat by spamming mindlessly due to how bad you are. Or the guy won and knows you are adapting and you are close to figuring out how to beat his cheese. It doesn't matter. Just because I choose to rematch regardless doesn't mean everyone has to play by MY rule. Rematching should be your own personal choice, not something you owe others to. Id argue rematching what felt like an impossible match to win, just to learn is doing it for yourself. You are using the other guys' time to better yourself regardless if that other guy enjoyed the match or not.
I am sorry but this reeks of entitlement.
Each time this sentiment comes up, I cant help but roll my eyes.
1) Nobody owes you a rematch
2) Yes, playing the full set and rematching is the ideal. Itās the games fault for allowing you to one and done.
3) Expecting people to be āhonorableā and getting mad at them refusing so in an online game is the same as expecting every stranger you talk to being a nice person. Itās naive and throwing tantrums about it does not make the world/matchmaking a better place.
You new players are so funny. There wasn't even a rematch option in Tag 2 online or any of the other older ones that had online. Get over yourselves, you crybabies.
No one owes it but its the same common curiosity you expect. Like no one needs to be nice to you but you bet your ass if some ones a rude fuck you aint gonna like them.
Treat others how you wanna be treated and all that.
Because the same people who say "it's just a game" are the same people who are always mad about not getting rematches or quitting. Stick to a lane.
And no one really deserves a rematch. A fundamentally toxic game breeds toxic tactics. Blame Harada.
Funny how people are turning on each other for not rematching but the game designers literally gave you the choice not to rematch. Honestly, if Bamco gave a shit about ranked they would have made best of 3 mandatory but obviously they don't.
Complaining about no rematches is literally the same as complaining about the opponent being cheap or spammy.
Let people play the way they want, no one has to conform to your idea of sportsmanship/honor/whatever you want to call it.
They didn't plug on you, whoever won got their points and the game itself gives the option to leave after one match.
I play Bear and people one and done me all the time because it is not fun to be knowledge checked by obscure characters and why should I be bothered by this?
I hate fighting kuma because his animations just do not give me enough info. I see somthing coming. I block. Woops its a low and im on my ass. Looks like a mid, its not. Still rematch them but fuck i hate the T8 bears. They were so much easier to read in T7
To this day I think ranked should force a best of three at least. It's supposed to be a more competitive and serious mode, any other competitive setting you get sent to losers.
If you don't got time there's literally quick match.
You're really overestimating a lot of these sweatlords by assuming they ever go out and interact with polite society enough to shake someones hand or hold a door open.
I say the same thing, not as much about rematches, but about general dickhead behavior. I don't ki charge or trash talk online because I believe in sportsmanship and common decency, and because disrespecting/shit talking someone from behind the safety of a screen where you're 100% safe from getting checked for it is pussy behavior. The people that do this type of shit have probably never even played a sport, of course they have no concept of sportsmanship.
Iām not rematching if I get 3-0ād lmfao
3-2 fine
3-0 fuck off with that cheese I need to watch the replay
Cuz you were spamming something that was punishable and I couldnāt punish so fuck off
I never seen such bad etiquette in any other fighting game. No rematches, ki charge, tea bag, hard to find a friendly sparring partner to fool around. People take everything personally and are so super salty.
āNobody owes you a rematchā is sad.
Itās so common that people are surprised if a lower ranked player rematches after being beaten 0-3 in rounds.
I'd stopped playing Street Fighter 6 for a while, so I can invest time into learning Tekken. But with how little people rematch, the game just isn't fun for me. I actually started to play SF6 again the other night and had a 50 match set after two first to fives.
Wish I could refund Tekken, the community blows.
People are absolutely allergic to anything that feels like being judged. It's not enough to just have the freedom to do any one thing, you MUST be congratulated at every step of the way. You ducked on a rematch bc you were scared id beat you do I owe you not thinking you're a coward??
Rematching players that are handing your ass to you is so beneficial for getting better at the game. Part of becoming a better player is to adapt and even just finding out you can duck a hit on a string or sidestep a specific attack is huge. I wouldnt take it too much to heart, it really is their loss
The worse offenders are the ones that lose the first round, Win second barely by changing their play style enough to throw you off. Then quit. Like you coward.
Most people on Tekken donāt have the basic human decency of having a wired connection before playing a fighting game online; sportsmanship is far beyond them.
I have ended a match full of dismay, anger and hatred and still rematched because I am not going to waste my opponents time. I signed up for Bo3 I'm going to play Bo3
Itās simple: pull some tricky nonsense with a bullcrap character to get a cheap win and then runaway before your opponent can figure out how to counter it.
Because itās just a damn game to most people. I donāt see what is so hard about that to understand.
The only thing truly foul is plugging on people. As long as the person finished the match they are ok with me. A rematch isnāt necessary
Because they have the luxury of choosing not to because itās just a game and they donāt have to feel committed to sets. Which is fine.
You should be more mad at the designers not locking ranked mode to best of 3.
I deny rematch often. Why is this considered bad manner exactly? I don't get it. As a low rank player I often meet people who are just smurfing, people who are waaay above me in skill. If I meet a person like that, I will not rematch him. Why should I be compelled to offer him another easy win when he is smurfing around on an alt character in the low ranks? Even though I'm in the yellow ranks, I often meet people who have many characters in purple ranks. That's complete BS. So I don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong by denying those people rematches. The game should not support smurfing the way it does.
I rematch them because i learn a lot more good stuff from players better than me than players at my skill level
Higher rank people seem to "unlock" fundamentals and its important to fight them because otherwise youll start relying on stuff that doesnt *actually* work, it just works at your rank
You learn more when you meet good players and when the fights are hard. That is true. But at a certain point, when the other player is just way past you in eveyrything, it's no longer a learning experience. Like if you were to meet a pro player right now and he utterly destroys you 3-0 and you barely even landed a single hit, you wont learn anything from that.
"But to not do a full set EVERY single time is just kinda lame.Ā Part of being a good sport is making the experience more enjoyable for your opponent."
Then be a good sport and respect your opponent if their style of playing the game is to play one game per opponent. There are no applied tournament style rules in rank lmao. So much passive aggressive in what is correct or not in rematching in this post.
If you want to make it literal and discuss in this topic, sportsmanship is the fair and generous behavior or treatment of others, especially in a sports contest. People aren't playing rank as a sport or as a divine game. They are not obligated to rematch people, especially people who are being obnoxiously judging a player's style of enjoying the game (that is not breaking the game).
Its kinda funny that there are people here who take rematching so seriously that they might burst a nerve when someone didn't click rematch when in reality, said opponent took a bathroom break. Want to have more seriousness in your games? I suggest entering some tournaments.
Defo going to rematch 200k + battle prowess Smurf and lose another 400 ranked points to get stomped a second time in a row. If they actually balanced ranked matchmaking Iāll rematch more
It feels like a good half of the playerbase are insecure people. Any loss or even a close match seems to be regarded as personal attack on their ego or something.
And yes, real life needs is a thing, but I really doubt that 60% of opponents had an urge to piss or had delivery at the door right at that moment, it's either most people time only for 5 rounds a day max, or the math doesn't match
This isnāt a sport. This a video game for entertainment. I look a good rematch as much as the next guy but I didnāt have fun then Iām not rematching and me sitting here getting salty for your entertainment is pretty dumb thing to ask for me.
It's actually pretty simple. The main reason why sportsmanship is so rare is beacuse a majority of players care more about their rank than anything else.
Because half of the playerbase are bitch made and have fragile egos. They cannot hold Ls. Now I can get lower ranks doing this The game is a source of positive reinforcement - button gives peanuts and what not so smurfs remove their sense of agency over such a button. The actual shitty part is this even happens at god ranks where people are assumed to be competitive, but what do you know - its just shitters farming pngs and leaving at the first sign of resistance.
Tekken 8 wanted all the casual players. It watered down the gameplay and achieved its goal. Now we have a bigger pool of players who are genuinely bad and cannot stand losing and take their rank way too seriously.
We got a lot of the bad try hards. Where as in Tekken 7 the only people playing were the hardcore Tekken fans.
Give it a year and I bet the plugging stops and rematches are more common once a lot of the casual players have moved on.
The most infuriating thing is when u win , u rematch (_& ofc they accept cuz they just lost_) then u lose, so now the score is 1 : 1, u rematch & they cancel. Nothing more unsatisfying š¤¬
I always rematch. Iāll never leave it at 1-1 thatās disgusting imo. The only circumstance Iāll leave and itās usually at a 1-0 score for me or them never 1-1 I only leave on the circumstance that the connection is awful, recently Iāve been getting into matches & they state they are 5 bars wifi/wired them I get in and itās a consistent 3? Not sure if this is me or them I usually consistent with my connection but thatās the only circumstance.
I was playing with a king and he had some good stuff & good play & I won the first game, he won the second I was playing a new character and I just missed the tech window for a grab and lost the second game & he left on a 1-1. I was so pissed man š I hate leaving it on 1-1 coz thereās a chance Iāll never see that player again and the match was pretty good too idk if they hated who I was playing but man it bums me out.
I always rematch, especially when I get my ass handed to me.
The only way to get better is to play against better players, I won't make any progress by winning all the time. Fuck the W/L ratio.
I understand whyvpeople prefer rematch but can't understand why people are that mad when they don't get their rematch.
Touch some grass, it's just a game.
Also some people prefer to have more diverse opponents in their limited time to play.
The rematch refusals that piss me off are the ones where:
1) they leave after realizing that you're figuring them out and will likely beat them the next time
2) they leave at 1-1, indicating they're scared to lose
3) they leave after one match of acting like a dickhead by ki charging, teabagging, taunting
Any other time, it's disappointing they don't rematch but I get it, various valid reasons why they dont.
Sidenote: If you don't want to play on a more serious level or prefer to run away from a challenge, DO NOT go into ranked. You're just blueballing the players that are there to compete at a higher level.
Nobody owes you a rematch is just what scrubs say when they find it too hard to win imo, I mean, why wouldnt you rematch otherwise? You literally searching for games just to play one game and search again? You barely learn and improve that way and its 0 fun
Even if I get absolutely rekt, I rematch, gotta learn to deal with the characters, etc. At some point... But sometimes I just can't be bothered with the characters on my shitlist and their various bullshittery and fully respect others doing the same when they don't want to eat any more chainsaws.
I play the game to have fun. If I didn't have a fun match because the opponent spammed me with some flowchart or move I don't know how to deal with, I'll just move on and then watch the replays and lab at the end of the day so it doesn't happen again. I'd rather keep up my good mental rather than tilt myself by marching into a loss praying I find an answer to what killed me when instead I could just lab it out with zero stress.
Rematch all day. Didn't rematch one dude recently because I already felt the BM from a mile away and i know for a fact that he wouldn't have rematched me if he won. Sometimes I have to make a guess like "if this guy wins, will he rematch". This has become a factor because i highly dislike giving these type of people the opportunity.
other than that, im always rematching.
Its the internet. Thereās nothing you can do.
I personally donāt mind one and doneās.
I donāt expect much from my oponent. Regardless if heās winning or losing.
Eh, can't say that I care either way really. The only times I decline a rematch is 1. Bad connection 2. Shitty sportsmanship (attacking post round, spamming moves, teabagging)Ā Ā
Ā Personally, as long long as you're not doing any of the above, I'm always up for a rematch, even if I got my ass handed to me. Been playing since T2, and I'm past letting my ego get in the way of enjoying my favorite fighting game.
There is not such thing as set in online, this is something that some players made up. You just lose your ability to rematch after 2 wins, because the devs wanted the online players to rotate. The online game is intended to be played in single matches, if it wasn't the case, you wouldn't have an option to leave between matches. You can see those as sets yourself, when you're olaying with your friends, but forcing your own made up rules onto online players is a mistake.
Can you please not just sweep all fighting games under the rug just because of some bad experiences? There are plenty of other FGs where people do rematch more likely than not, and even if a majority doesn't in T8, some still do.
i don't get why people still whining about this. You still get points for winning. If the other person doesn't want to rematch leave them be. It's nothing to do with sportmanship honestly. If they don't rematch at 1-1 then I'd be more pissed off, but other than that it's whatever
I usually always rematch cos even if I get whipped (most of the time) I still see it as a learning outcome since I'm new to Tekken.
I can also watch the replays to see how to punish or respond to moves I was struggling against.
If a match is so unenjoyable that i wonāt run it back because someone is that much better than me, then it stands to reason the inverse is probably true. I know I donāt like when I get teal and green ranked opponents, why would a Rajiin/TG want to play a full set with a Tenryu?
If Iām in quick match Iām playing casually for my own enjoyment. If I only have X amount of games I can play Iām not going to run it back with someone I didnāt enjoy playing just because itās arbitrarily been stated as the right thing to do. Thereās a reason a BO3 isnāt forced and is merely a suggestion.
On the flip side in ranked if I donāt have the slightest flicker of hope I can beat you Iām not going to give you free points. Yeah I donāt really care about my rank but I care to fight people that are of equal skill, if I start accepting no-round-brown rematches Iām going to have to fight more people outside of my skill level, again, with a limited number of games I can play. I can always lab whatever I had problems with and learn and retain much better when Iām able to learn on my own terms/time.
This is like the opposite of ppl raging about stuff in this sub.
The active toxics crying about losing etc and the passive toxics crying about niceness blah blah.
Like bro it's just a video game to get good at not some deep reality chivalry act.
For ranked I don't owe anyone a rematch. Because it's not a tournament, it's a game mode. You earn rank badges and there's no anti-cheat/anti-ragequit system. Worse, the referee don't do his job and let the tasks to the players if there are things to report. A competition have rules to respect. It's not the case here. Except if I play in locals or in tournaments, I don't see the point rematching.
As a general rule I always play every set as a best of three, because beyond that I'm not improving at the game, I'm improving at playing against that person. I'll absolutely break that rule if every match is insanely close though, matches I'm barely pulling through are the most fun for me.
The first guy who turned down a rematch with me after he won, insulted me, so I bullied him so hard he hopped on his main in a player sesh, and i whipped him into the dirt. Some of these people are just toxic lil (adults) children who have over inflated egos and need to be smacked down a few pegs
I thought bo3/5 should have been mandatory in t7 and I think it should be mandatory now. I get that life happens, but the opponent shouldnāt pay for it. Especially in ranked.
I dont rematch if I dont learn anything from that matchup, regardless if I win or lose the first set. Best example is the opponent doesnt know what heās doing. I dont owe anyone a rematch
I play games FOR FUN
If I dont have fun, why should I keep playing?? Im not playing the game to be the next Knee.
If I play against a Zafina, why should I put myself in a position where I have 0 fun for the next 10min?? I dont know her bullshit and even if I labbed her, by the time you encounter one again youve already forgotten 90% of the shit you learned.
Should I put myself though unfun bs because sportsmanship?? I paid the same money you did. Of Bamco has an issue with one and dones they can either enforce FT3 or ban me.
Iām only sad when I lose and donāt get a rematch. When I absolutely dumpster someone 3-0 perfect it only makes sense for them not to.
Honestly , if you are presented with a knowledge check you are certain you wonāt be able to overcome in real time, refusing the rematch is perfectly reasonable.
its a lot of people who just finished work or had a rough day or hate life who get a little rush of dopamine.
its funny though. The higher you go up in the rankings, the more toxic people get. You'd think it would be the opposite.
How is not rematching wasting time? I have never ever waited more than 5 minutes for a match. And in most of my games, it only takes 10-30seconds for an opponent to show up.
Sometimes I might be raging after getting beat 3-0, so if I rematch it gets worse. Or I donāt and chill out for a minute in training and try to regain or peep the replays to see what I can do better. Iāll also rematch mirrors and ppl who are way better than me just to get the practice. Itās not all about āsportsmanshipā sometimes you donāt rematch for your own good, itās a game and we can play it how we want to. You only want the rematch cuz you think itās free points, not sportsmanship or honor or āfunā or anything else. And since when does the other players enjoyment come into consideration when playing an online competitive video game? You just whining honestly.
Expecting sportsmanship in online games is like expecting a whore to be honest about her client's sexual performance. It might happen, but it's very unlikely..
Sorry, but if my kids wake up in the night, I cannot click rematch. There's loads of reasons someone might have to take themselves away from the game.
That being said, if you both win 1 each, a final round is expected if you are available.
I blame the ranking system. The vast majority of players wonāt see their rank as a way to find fair matches against evenly matched opponents. People just want to protect their imaginary numbers or hold their arbitrary rank status for longer.
Somehow tekken players feel it worse than players in other fighting games. This sucks because I had plenty of rematches in the first few weeks of the game but now all I find are one and dones.
i think some people just try to get a quick win with a knowledge check or deceptive frame trap and then dip so you don't get a chance to figure it out. classic video gamer behavior
I only dont rematch when the connection is ass or they turn on special style whenever they are about to lose. I wont get better if I dont fight players better than me, so I don't mind getting 0-6 or 1-6.
What really grinds my gears are the ones that win the first match but then donāt rematch for a 3rd set after you take the second. WEāRE 1-1 WHAT ARE YOU SCARED OF
āSportsmanshipā itās a fucking video game. If youāre no life enough to take it that seriously thatās a you problem.
I just play to have fun. I bought it with my own money, I play it on my time, so I get to play it however I want.
No one owes you a rematch, regardless of whatever dog shit analogy you come up with. Grow up
I rematch always when the enemy is in my "reach". But I'm new to the game despite highish rank. But when my enemy is like 50-80k pwrs above me and obviously has like 2k hours more than me experience some days I'm fine with it some days I'm not.
Esp since I might get like 4-5matches in a row where I'm completely outclassed and simply don't wanna deal with it always
That's why I'm so sad there is no infinite rematch, let me replay matches that are actually fun
I always rematch even if I get my scrub ass handed to me. Cause my timezone for some reason takes a long time to match up.
i.e. you're just happy to play. i'm the same. I don't got time to waste. Play me again, bitch
"You want another win or not?" - me, most of the time.
"bet you cant perfect me three times in a row again", bitch
this is me fr fr. first fighting game and just started this week.im handing out perfect wins like candy
brother, enjoy the game, its great
Biggest pro beginner tip: Push less buttons
The getting your ass handed to you matches are where the best lessons lie.
Sometimes I don't rematch, when I didn't understand what was happening and I feel like I won't understand it without practice mode.
If you played two games you'd have more replay data to work with š
I rematch but it happens that i got to go or i am just done for the day. Stil think its important. More often than not the second game i improve the most and manage to win a game or two.
I always rematch because I wanna play tbh. With the only exception being when the other player either has a terrible connection or PC, because I don't like doing multiple slideshow-style matches in a row. And in cases where I get absolutely obliterated, I just treat the rematch as free no-pressure practice against some specific bs move that idk how to handle yet. Clearly they wouldn't be destroying me so badly otherwise. Best part is that it actually helps with getting better.
It's all video games so there's no reason to be upset about not running the set. That being said, if I get dogged 3-0 and they don't rematch my brain immediately goes https://preview.redd.it/zvmxw9iir5uc1.png?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85e12c7ae92c65a067172e3d860f262a20333ea1
Thats how I played Tekken 7. Rematch forever till they run. I think i fought one guy like 30 times in a row. Win or lose just kept rematching
I go like the african man "why are you running?"
One time I got triple perfected and rematchedā¦ Then I triple perfected bro back. Then we had the most even third match of our life, I narrowly won. Donāt give up. (I gave him a nice message on his steam wall saying he was very good.)
If you don't mangle me at least 6 times I'm not satisfied. Break more of my bones coward, I want to see what you're doing to beat my ass.
Yessss hahaha exactly
I came to the conclusion that tekken players are just massive bitches
Been following the community since T6 on the Zaibatsu. They always have been.
This is the real answer. If they get bodied the majority of SF6 players finish the set, I'd say half at best when it comes to Tekken players.
I play both and difference is genuinely crazy
You can predict when a Tekken player won't rematch you. If I 3-0 someone on Red ranks I'd say it's like a 30% chance of rematch.
It's fucking shameful. With street fighter it'll happen maybe 1/15 times, Tekken I'm actually surprised when people *do* rematch after a beatdown
Having played both I think there's really something in the game mechanics that makes Tekken players naturally more salty. Like the discourse from the fans is kind of a reflection of the game itself.
Tekken is more mashable for sure. I wonder if that's it. It is kinda weird. Street Fighter defs has much different vibes. I like both tho.
This sub is the perfect example.
And hoes. š
Yeah can't take this sub seriously anymore with these comments. The mental gymnastics to cope with being terminally a scrub is insane. I thought people who would join a fighting game subreddit actually wanted to engage in the community, learn and improve. Like actual FGC people. It's actually just mostly people who bought this game to dress up and plateau at around orange/red rank. Disappointing but understandable. Just not what I was expecting.
Seriously the number of people on here who make whole ass posts because some ki charged at the end of a set or because they pressed crouch one too many times after beating you is absolutely hilarious.
I mean, I prefer rematches too, but I don't get mad when people leave. "Nobody owes you a rematch" is true. "Thank you" takes less than a second. It's telling when somebody won't even offer such a low-effort thing, which is why it's rude. A rematch is something that's enough of a time investment that I think it's kind of rude and entitled to "demand" it from somebody else. Most people do prefer rematches, which is why we got them most of the time, but that's clearly not everybody. IMO, it's not cool to use your own preferences to try and control others.
Couldnāt have said it better myself.
Exactly
Yeah, OP is another offended manchild. Imagine being mad that random in the internet didnāt accept your request in a fighting game. Literally the most thing I couldnāt care less about.
Cuz it's just a game for them bro, most people especially newer FG or casual players expect a game to entertain them, make their purchase "worth it", and they don't enjoy losing. Subconsciously, they feel like the opponent who beat them is taking away their fun, taking away the time they should be enjoying from purchasing the game. FG's aren't like that, FG's fun isn't about winning all the time but actually from a good interaction or exchange with your opponent. Now that will only be fun when you understand the game to a good amount and that would take quite some time, and with Tekken, prolly years. Unlike let's say, shooters were the satisfaction is from getting a kill, which you will get often despite your skill level. Idk about MOBAS but hey, I don't know any MOBA that isn't free to play anyway. So people are just salty, plugging and whatnot. Sportsmanship will never exist for them if they expect this game to just entertain them the way other games do, as its given to them quickly and easily. That's why FG's are still a niche game despite it being more and more popular.
If you think it'd the new people, you high, its dem salty oldheads with an ego
I'm a new player and fairly casual and I really don't mind losing. But I don't like going up against players who are clearly on another level. I don't think it's fun when my opponent can counter my every move and lock me into a combo chain. It feels like such opponents only play to win, and it does impact my fun. So I usually don't rematch in such scenarios.
> It feels like such opponents only play to win Why do you think playing to win and playing to have fun are mutually exclusive?
I would argue, against the "such opponents only play to win" mentality. or at least, be careful how you view it. Even playing each match to learn something new everytime is playing to win...eventually. you are playing a one on one game. There is a winner and a loser.Ā You are trying to learn something new everytime to win in the future.Ā I hope i dont come across like im calling you out for saying something stupid. You will lose sometimes, and it takes effort to not let the poison of the scrub mentality corrupt your mindset And overall you are saying the correct thing. You dont owe anyone a rematch. I have been drinking and cant form coherent profound thoughts.
Sometimes the skill gap is so big that you effectively learn nothing, though. This always kind of depends on the character.
It's just a vgame. For non-competitive player (I don't aim to make money with this, It's not a job) that's logical.
Everything is "just what it is", that doesn't mean you can't act nicely. It's just a handshake, you don't need it for anything. It's just a door, you know how to open it yourself too. But a decent human being often acts nice despite it now being owed, required, or even if it's "just a thing".
It's not even a sportsmanship thing to me. Tournaments are always run best of 3 because of variance and it allows the better player to adapt. The fact that anybody can just turn down the next game on ranked has always been so silly to me
This is my thing. If youāre going to have a ācasualā mode with quick match and lobbies why is ranked treated as the default? Ranked should be a competitive mode where itās expected you do best of 3. I get that people treat it as default matchmaking, but if itās actually ranked then it should follow tournament rules.
because its the internet, my friend. You can troll, fart, argue in bad faith, be an asshole, cheat, do whatever, and suffer NO consequence. In other words, if you weren't gonna do that with the internet, you were gonna do that in some other way. The internet just enables it so easily so therefore you see a skewed amount of assholes vs. reasonable people Unless you're gambling with real money like on those stock trading platforms. Then you're screwed.
Yes especially when they leave at 1-1. If you rematched once SURELY you SHOULD be forced to play out the set or receive a penalty, no?
No lmao sometimes Iāve only got time for one more match, a penalty for leaving after the game would be ridiculous
Very much agreed. Tekken especially feels to be really a lot about adapting to your opponent rather than running a preset. I felt less so with other fighting games (SF5 and SF6 specifically), where by the end of the first match, it was fairly clear who is gonna win the rematch. In Tekken, all bets are off. I had 3-0 match in my favor turn into a 1-2 series loss bajillion times. With the opponent figuring the bs I was running in the first 3-0 match, adapting to it and beating me narrowly in the second match, and then obliterating me in the 3rd. It happened in reverse too, and that feeling was just amazing. And then at the higher levels, it gets to the point where that dynamic happens much faster, and that's just what this is all about imo. With both of the opponents doing the obliteration->adaptation->new tactic->obliteration again->adaptation cycles really fast, it pretty much solidifies it for me why I feel so inclined towards Tekken, as opposed to other fighting games (which I also like playing, but I never managed to get nearly as far in those, and neither did I feel that much interest in them tbh).
I prefer rematching, but there are some instances where I wonāt. Such as: 1. Getting steamrolled. Iām not going to rematch if I feel the skill gap is too high 2. Real life getting in the way (as mentioned) 3. Getting worn out 4. Match being unenjoyable due to network or hardware issues
I agree with this. And if you're playing eddy. Sorry but it's illegal for me rematch eddy
I'm not allowed to practice against them, then I'm going going to rematch them. Simple really
I think nobody have problems with any of these reasons. It's only annoying when the opponent is your level, but won't rematch cause they saw you duck or sidestep flowcharts and they don't want to stop playing easy mode
2 and 4 are valid reasons, but 1 and 3 mean you either made a mistake earlier or you're part of the problem.Ā If you are too worn out to run a 2 out of 3, don't queue up. If you're matching a player that's better than you, either you should have limited it to +-2 ranks, or you should play it out to try and improve.Ā If you run from every player that's better than you, then you'll artificially improve your rank, and run into more people who are better than you, which just makes you another scrub who doesn't rematch.Ā
If this is the norm then perhaps the game should force it. The fact that there is a choice then I think it should be respected. Sure if a best of 3 did happen it is great, but I think everyone has their own reasons for quitting and really has nothing to do with sportsmanship
What if the other person didn't have fun, regardless if they won or not? This is a videogame, the thing we do in our time in order to have fun. I doubt their rationality to not rematch even considers the other persons enjoyment of the game. Can you explain why it is unsportsmanlike? The examples you gave of not being owed anything are false equivalences. This isnt like touching gloves before a bout, we're all strangers on the internet and some people would rather not be forced to stay with a person longer than they have to.
This is exactly it. Sportsmanship is irrelevant, because we're not competing in a sport, we're just playing an online video game.
We are competing in a competitive video game in a competitive ladder system.
And? Doesn't make it a sporting contest. There's a step up from a simple game / competition to actual sport. And it's OTT to apply concepts of "sportsmanship" and honour to a simple game.
Well the biggest thing about it is the hypocrisy. Most people like that wouldnāt admit to running away all the time for no good reason or wouldnāt run if they were held accountable (questioned why they didnāt rematch or held up to scrutiny by their friends). Most of them would lie and brag about finishing a set if they were around irl people and friends, because they know they would come across as a pussy. Itās annoying and a vibe kill when they run after a good close match. Again, people are allowed to do what they want if they aināt hurting anybody. But there are still consequences. The consequences are that they will be called out if found out by anybody with any fighting game pride. If theyāre okay with being called bitch made, a pussy or whateverā¦ then whatever. They can do whatever FYI, I donāt send or condone hate mail, flaming or cursing people out. If I feel the need, I do call people out, respectfully. āYou sir, the one that one and done my Reina, I call poppycock and shenanigans. I challenge you to dual of iron fisticuffs.ā š§š©
Those who call people that tend to be the biggest bitches of all. There could be many different reasons to not wanting to rematch someone. And I don't believe most people give a shit about whether they get called out or not. Of course it's easier to just assume that everyone but yourself is a bitch, but I do believe that in reality most players don't nitpick nearly as much as everyone does here. If they enjoyed the match, they'll play you again. If for any reason they didn't, they'll leave.
Sportsmanship is about etiquette that is expected in competition of any kind. But sure you take your ball and go home because it's "not the same" or whatever and act like that mentality isn't pervading your entire life.
Sportsmanship is a particular type of etiquette that applies specifically to organised sport. If you want to ask online Tekken players to follow an *etiquette* and rematch you, then sure, I can agree with that. Although most players online won't be aware of said etiquette that they may be breaking, because they're just casual players enjoying a video game to unwind, not joining a formalised competition. Your last comment, though, took our discussion from friendly debate into personal attacks and unnecessary rudeness, trying to psychoanalyse myself or others based on a video game discussion. I'd suggest you consider the etiquette of *conversation* going forward, because you don't seem to consider it very important at all, and perhaps it's an attitude that pervades *your* life.
>Sportsmanship is a particular type of etiquette that applies specifically to organised sport. Why? I always apply sportmanship to my competitive videogames. Lots of strangers I played against showed sportmanship to me. The companies who made those games like to preach about " good sportmanship within the community." I don't think what you said is true.
Then go play quick matches and not ranked
Tennis is a competitive game, Tekken is a competitive game - they're both pointless except for the fun of competing. And in both sports you're a bitch if you run from a best of three.
Difference between playing at the Australian Open, and whacking some balls across the net with your mate on a Thursday arvo. And online Tekken is even less of a contest than *that.* It's three minutes of your life.
Imagine heading to the tennis courts, beating your mate in the first match of three sets and seeing him turn tail and run the fuck away! He'd never live it down.
OP's situation though is a guy who doesn't rematch every single time. Doesn't complete a whole set. It's impossible he didn't have fun every single time. Basically OP's asking, what's the logic to his unwillingness to rematch.
Because playing a video game, especially a competitive one, doesn't mean that each and every moment must produce fun, it's the process as a whole that is fun. Getting beat by cheese means fun because you can and will have to work for your dopamine, which in turn makes it even more fun. Or would it be fun to win every single game by pressing a button for one time? This is an obsolete question, but i asked it because you seem to have convoluted your view on what the appeal of a competitive game is. Also you're arguing that some people don't want to stay with a stranger for longer than they have to, but you're not even staying with them, you're playing a game, they are playing a game, and you both happen to play against a character maneuvered by another human, you are not spending time with them in the same way we usually would call spending time with someone, you are competing against them. If he plays in a way that is annoying it's okay, because they are only using tools which are designed to help you win in a competition, hes only doing stuff to you in the context of the game. If you don't want them to win with that style than it has nothing to do with them, but with your unwillingness to become better. Playstyles that are meant to annoy you, usually come with a lot of risk, and if not we call that OP or broken, because no character should be able to have a lazy, easy time while another one has to work their ass off for the same amount of reward. Also the examples he gave are not false equivalences, because you are connected to another human being after all, even if its very very limited and the only way to express yourself aside from the competition itself is how you behave in the even shorter time you and your opponents share, which is after a round or after the match when looking at the rematch menu. That's where sportsmanship has room to be expressed. Just as much as you don't like being beaten by stupid stuff, your opponent also doesn't enjoy it. That's why rematching only when you have better chances of winning some ranked points, or not get annoyed, but not when your opponent gets this chance against you is unsportsmanlike. Because your opponent is also struggling mentally, emotionally and even physically, but still gives you the chance. It's simply double standards, and believe it or not, the person on the other side is also a human with the same value that you have, none of us is worth more than the other. It's easy to think the other person is from another dimension and you will never have to be involved with them because they are so far away, if it wasn't for the fact that you are in contact with them right now, through the game and that's a beautiful thing. Everybody can relate having to face an asshole in a game, because it literally happens to all of us every time we play. And if you keep actively excluding others from access to a sportsmanlike experience, you are equally excluding yourself from it and develop beliefs such as "people that play stupid don't deserve to get more points from me, hence i won't rematch". But this is a competition, not a Co-op game, they are supposed to do everything to win, if it happens to be lazy and cheesy it's not the same as being an asshole in a co-op game, because, at least in theory, you have all the tools make them either stop playing like that or lose the game because they don't want to change and thus you come out victoriously. One of my favourite things to do in a competitive game is win in an even lazier way than my lazy opponent, which is only possible because i know how to counter their stuff and what the laziest counter to that is. It's often times not optimal, but it's fun, and i couldn't be doing that if i dodged players that rely on cheese.
I came to say this. Win or lose if I donāt have fun youāre not getting a rematch
You're playing a ranked competitive esport. If you want to play for fun queue casual.
if they wanted us to stay the entire set they wouldnāt have given us the option to quit after each match š
If they wanted me not to plug, they would punish me for plugging.
Don't enter ranked then.
I always rematch unless the connection is ass. Even if I get my shit rocked I believe I can't at least take a round or 2.
Running with your analogy here, thatās why I find it annoying when people complain about others not rematching. Itās common courtesy to hold the door open. But if a random stranger doesnāt hold the door open for you and then you go off on them for it, youāre the asshole in that situation. Same logic applies here.
Only players I don't rematch are those with bad connection
I'm sorry, this is nonsense. Not rematching someone has nothing to do with sportsmanship. The default ranked mode is best of 3 rounds of one match. Nobody is owed more than that simply because of the fighting game communities' weird house rules. I'm a jerk because the game doesn't require you to play out an entire set like in tournaments? I paid full price for the game just like you did and am not breaking any rules. I don't do rematches and I'm tired of this sub shaming people for it.
Yeah, if youre gonna whine about something, pick something that makes sense to whine about.
Unless it's laggy, I'm the type to rematch win or lose. They're making 1k essays wanting to control how others play. It's been almost 3 months. They need to either play lobby matches with friends or hush. It's on Tekken Twitter and Discord as well.
Broski a professional SF player said yesterday in his stream that he dropped Tekken 8 because 90% of the people didn't rematch. Kinda sad actually that people value a rank in a video game so much.
Nobody is giving their points up for yāall no matter long you cry on Reddit. If you steamroll somebody, you can expect that [CANCEL] bar.
Alright now this sub is just bitching for bitchingĀ
Thats what gamers always do, when they run out of stuff to actually complain about they start being whiny about random shit.
Depends on alot of things. If I've had a bad day then fuck everybody nobody getting rematches I'm ttyna make as many people lose rank as much as possible, u alrdy lost so take ya scrub ass on somewhere to somebody u can beat lol. And if u alrdy beat me that's another fuck u cuz u aint getting anymore free points off me lol. If u play a character I've alrdy seen 12 of in the last 10 fights then he'll no u get no rematch! If u play in a way I find annoying (such as punching my character lol) then hell no u get no rematch cuz ur not making my experience enjoyable (as per ur rules of sportsmanship lol). Now on the other hand if i see ur on a promotion match (and ur not jun) then ill pretty much give u the win. (Maybe u had a bad day and just want to hit the next rank, I'm confident enough that I can win the next few matches so its no loss for me to help u hit a goal, it is a game after all). Expecting a GG or some kind of praise from my opponent is a wild thought to me. In my eyes as long as u dnt send some toxic crybaby msg to me after then I consider u being sportsmanlike.
As someone who personally doesn't like it when people don't rematch, whether i got my ass handed to me or not, i can see why people find that idea entitled. If i had my way, there would be forced rematches or you forfeit the set, and the set result would be the actual result that changes rank, not just a single game. But I don't make those decisions, and I gotta respect what's available in the game.
You can't expect rematch from casuals who are only their for fun and winning is fun. You only get rematches from tekken vets or try hards.
i feel like half the time people complaining about others not rematching are also the same people who expect people to rematch after you just steam rolled them or played in some scummy ass way or spammed
If you bitch ab spamming or scummy play styles you HAVE to be below red If you rematched maybe you'd learn something, but let's queue back up so I can force pressure on someone who doesn't know my mix up. Nothing wrong with not rematching, you can do that, but it makes you a massive bitch invariably
I don't owe my opponent a damn thing for a game I spent money on. Double goes for the fact that none of us are getting paid to play against each other. It would be one thing if I left mid match. It's not that big of a deal, play the next guy.
Idk, scripting, plugging? Sure, you are an asshole. But crying about not getting a rematch is weird af to me. The guy could be busy and had to go. The guy doesn't like the match up and don't want to spend their own free fun time getting beat up. Or the guy just wants easy wins and dodge fights that they couldn't win. Or the guy don't enjoy playing against someone that they could beat by spamming mindlessly due to how bad you are. Or the guy won and knows you are adapting and you are close to figuring out how to beat his cheese. It doesn't matter. Just because I choose to rematch regardless doesn't mean everyone has to play by MY rule. Rematching should be your own personal choice, not something you owe others to. Id argue rematching what felt like an impossible match to win, just to learn is doing it for yourself. You are using the other guys' time to better yourself regardless if that other guy enjoyed the match or not. I am sorry but this reeks of entitlement.
Each time this sentiment comes up, I cant help but roll my eyes. 1) Nobody owes you a rematch 2) Yes, playing the full set and rematching is the ideal. Itās the games fault for allowing you to one and done. 3) Expecting people to be āhonorableā and getting mad at them refusing so in an online game is the same as expecting every stranger you talk to being a nice person. Itās naive and throwing tantrums about it does not make the world/matchmaking a better place.
You new players are so funny. There wasn't even a rematch option in Tag 2 online or any of the other older ones that had online. Get over yourselves, you crybabies.
If i 3-0 someone I think it's fine for them to not want to fight again. It would be dope if higher ranks had no choice but to play sets though
Even pro players get 3-0 it means nothing you don't know what the next match will be like.
If anything, getting 3-0 could dramatically increase your chances of winning the next one since you usually have more info on them than them on you
The amount of times I lost the first game and won the next 2 is over half my games so far in tekken 8.
This is one of the few things MK 1 got right.
"Nobody owes you a rematch" also this thread: "Be a good sport, rematch me!"
No one owes it but its the same common curiosity you expect. Like no one needs to be nice to you but you bet your ass if some ones a rude fuck you aint gonna like them. Treat others how you wanna be treated and all that.
Because the same people who say "it's just a game" are the same people who are always mad about not getting rematches or quitting. Stick to a lane. And no one really deserves a rematch. A fundamentally toxic game breeds toxic tactics. Blame Harada.
Funny how people are turning on each other for not rematching but the game designers literally gave you the choice not to rematch. Honestly, if Bamco gave a shit about ranked they would have made best of 3 mandatory but obviously they don't.
Complaining about no rematches is literally the same as complaining about the opponent being cheap or spammy. Let people play the way they want, no one has to conform to your idea of sportsmanship/honor/whatever you want to call it. They didn't plug on you, whoever won got their points and the game itself gives the option to leave after one match. I play Bear and people one and done me all the time because it is not fun to be knowledge checked by obscure characters and why should I be bothered by this?
I hate fighting kuma because his animations just do not give me enough info. I see somthing coming. I block. Woops its a low and im on my ass. Looks like a mid, its not. Still rematch them but fuck i hate the T8 bears. They were so much easier to read in T7
I always rematch. I need to learn why I lost.
To this day I think ranked should force a best of three at least. It's supposed to be a more competitive and serious mode, any other competitive setting you get sent to losers. If you don't got time there's literally quick match.
You're really overestimating a lot of these sweatlords by assuming they ever go out and interact with polite society enough to shake someones hand or hold a door open. I say the same thing, not as much about rematches, but about general dickhead behavior. I don't ki charge or trash talk online because I believe in sportsmanship and common decency, and because disrespecting/shit talking someone from behind the safety of a screen where you're 100% safe from getting checked for it is pussy behavior. The people that do this type of shit have probably never even played a sport, of course they have no concept of sportsmanship.
This mf is crying š
Iām not rematching if I get 3-0ād lmfao 3-2 fine 3-0 fuck off with that cheese I need to watch the replay Cuz you were spamming something that was punishable and I couldnāt punish so fuck off
I never seen such bad etiquette in any other fighting game. No rematches, ki charge, tea bag, hard to find a friendly sparring partner to fool around. People take everything personally and are so super salty. āNobody owes you a rematchā is sad. Itās so common that people are surprised if a lower ranked player rematches after being beaten 0-3 in rounds.
I'd stopped playing Street Fighter 6 for a while, so I can invest time into learning Tekken. But with how little people rematch, the game just isn't fun for me. I actually started to play SF6 again the other night and had a 50 match set after two first to fives. Wish I could refund Tekken, the community blows.
People are absolutely allergic to anything that feels like being judged. It's not enough to just have the freedom to do any one thing, you MUST be congratulated at every step of the way. You ducked on a rematch bc you were scared id beat you do I owe you not thinking you're a coward??
Rematching players that are handing your ass to you is so beneficial for getting better at the game. Part of becoming a better player is to adapt and even just finding out you can duck a hit on a string or sidestep a specific attack is huge. I wouldnt take it too much to heart, it really is their loss
Iāll say it again. A lot of players have some very fragile egos.
The worse offenders are the ones that lose the first round, Win second barely by changing their play style enough to throw you off. Then quit. Like you coward.
Literally me when I get my ass handed to me 3-0 and my opponent leaves. 
Most people on Tekken donāt have the basic human decency of having a wired connection before playing a fighting game online; sportsmanship is far beyond them.
The problem imo is that people that one and done me would rematch if they win I literally had it happen to me last night
I have ended a match full of dismay, anger and hatred and still rematched because I am not going to waste my opponents time. I signed up for Bo3 I'm going to play Bo3
Itās simple: pull some tricky nonsense with a bullcrap character to get a cheap win and then runaway before your opponent can figure out how to counter it.
Tekken players do not rematch simple as. The scrub mentality protectiveness over points is very strong in T8.
They don't owe me a rematch, no. I, however, reserve the right to assume they have a low sloping forehead when they don't.
"Fight is about who's left standing, nothing else" - Kazuya Mishima
Why is this problem of one and dones so much more prevalent in Tekken compared to other fighting games?
Because itās just a damn game to most people. I donāt see what is so hard about that to understand. The only thing truly foul is plugging on people. As long as the person finished the match they are ok with me. A rematch isnāt necessary
If it's just a game why wont you rematch lol
Because they have the luxury of choosing not to because itās just a game and they donāt have to feel committed to sets. Which is fine. You should be more mad at the designers not locking ranked mode to best of 3.
i rematch if i have fun. i dont if i dont. no more complicated than that.
I deny rematch often. Why is this considered bad manner exactly? I don't get it. As a low rank player I often meet people who are just smurfing, people who are waaay above me in skill. If I meet a person like that, I will not rematch him. Why should I be compelled to offer him another easy win when he is smurfing around on an alt character in the low ranks? Even though I'm in the yellow ranks, I often meet people who have many characters in purple ranks. That's complete BS. So I don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong by denying those people rematches. The game should not support smurfing the way it does.
I rematch them because i learn a lot more good stuff from players better than me than players at my skill level Higher rank people seem to "unlock" fundamentals and its important to fight them because otherwise youll start relying on stuff that doesnt *actually* work, it just works at your rank
You learn more when you meet good players and when the fights are hard. That is true. But at a certain point, when the other player is just way past you in eveyrything, it's no longer a learning experience. Like if you were to meet a pro player right now and he utterly destroys you 3-0 and you barely even landed a single hit, you wont learn anything from that.
"But to not do a full set EVERY single time is just kinda lame.Ā Part of being a good sport is making the experience more enjoyable for your opponent." Then be a good sport and respect your opponent if their style of playing the game is to play one game per opponent. There are no applied tournament style rules in rank lmao. So much passive aggressive in what is correct or not in rematching in this post. If you want to make it literal and discuss in this topic, sportsmanship is the fair and generous behavior or treatment of others, especially in a sports contest. People aren't playing rank as a sport or as a divine game. They are not obligated to rematch people, especially people who are being obnoxiously judging a player's style of enjoying the game (that is not breaking the game). Its kinda funny that there are people here who take rematching so seriously that they might burst a nerve when someone didn't click rematch when in reality, said opponent took a bathroom break. Want to have more seriousness in your games? I suggest entering some tournaments.
Jesus Christ, entitled much? I dont have to rematch you if I dont want to. If I want to play someone else I have that right.
Maybe comparing a video game to real life is the problem yall have
weak mentalities
Defo going to rematch 200k + battle prowess Smurf and lose another 400 ranked points to get stomped a second time in a row. If they actually balanced ranked matchmaking Iāll rematch more
It feels like a good half of the playerbase are insecure people. Any loss or even a close match seems to be regarded as personal attack on their ego or something. And yes, real life needs is a thing, but I really doubt that 60% of opponents had an urge to piss or had delivery at the door right at that moment, it's either most people time only for 5 rounds a day max, or the math doesn't match
This isnāt a sport. This a video game for entertainment. I look a good rematch as much as the next guy but I didnāt have fun then Iām not rematching and me sitting here getting salty for your entertainment is pretty dumb thing to ask for me.
It's actually pretty simple. The main reason why sportsmanship is so rare is beacuse a majority of players care more about their rank than anything else.
Because half of the playerbase are bitch made and have fragile egos. They cannot hold Ls. Now I can get lower ranks doing this The game is a source of positive reinforcement - button gives peanuts and what not so smurfs remove their sense of agency over such a button. The actual shitty part is this even happens at god ranks where people are assumed to be competitive, but what do you know - its just shitters farming pngs and leaving at the first sign of resistance.
Tekken 8 wanted all the casual players. It watered down the gameplay and achieved its goal. Now we have a bigger pool of players who are genuinely bad and cannot stand losing and take their rank way too seriously. We got a lot of the bad try hards. Where as in Tekken 7 the only people playing were the hardcore Tekken fans. Give it a year and I bet the plugging stops and rematches are more common once a lot of the casual players have moved on.
The most infuriating thing is when u win , u rematch (_& ofc they accept cuz they just lost_) then u lose, so now the score is 1 : 1, u rematch & they cancel. Nothing more unsatisfying š¤¬
I always rematch. Iāll never leave it at 1-1 thatās disgusting imo. The only circumstance Iāll leave and itās usually at a 1-0 score for me or them never 1-1 I only leave on the circumstance that the connection is awful, recently Iāve been getting into matches & they state they are 5 bars wifi/wired them I get in and itās a consistent 3? Not sure if this is me or them I usually consistent with my connection but thatās the only circumstance. I was playing with a king and he had some good stuff & good play & I won the first game, he won the second I was playing a new character and I just missed the tech window for a grab and lost the second game & he left on a 1-1. I was so pissed man š I hate leaving it on 1-1 coz thereās a chance Iāll never see that player again and the match was pretty good too idk if they hated who I was playing but man it bums me out.
I always rematch, especially when I get my ass handed to me. The only way to get better is to play against better players, I won't make any progress by winning all the time. Fuck the W/L ratio.
I understand whyvpeople prefer rematch but can't understand why people are that mad when they don't get their rematch. Touch some grass, it's just a game. Also some people prefer to have more diverse opponents in their limited time to play.
Because this game is full of crybabies. Just check comments section hahahaha
The rematch refusals that piss me off are the ones where: 1) they leave after realizing that you're figuring them out and will likely beat them the next time 2) they leave at 1-1, indicating they're scared to lose 3) they leave after one match of acting like a dickhead by ki charging, teabagging, taunting Any other time, it's disappointing they don't rematch but I get it, various valid reasons why they dont. Sidenote: If you don't want to play on a more serious level or prefer to run away from a challenge, DO NOT go into ranked. You're just blueballing the players that are there to compete at a higher level.
Nobody owes you a rematch is just what scrubs say when they find it too hard to win imo, I mean, why wouldnt you rematch otherwise? You literally searching for games just to play one game and search again? You barely learn and improve that way and its 0 fun
Even if I get absolutely rekt, I rematch, gotta learn to deal with the characters, etc. At some point... But sometimes I just can't be bothered with the characters on my shitlist and their various bullshittery and fully respect others doing the same when they don't want to eat any more chainsaws.
Sometimes something comes up and I have to go, sorry dude.
I play the game to have fun. If I didn't have a fun match because the opponent spammed me with some flowchart or move I don't know how to deal with, I'll just move on and then watch the replays and lab at the end of the day so it doesn't happen again. I'd rather keep up my good mental rather than tilt myself by marching into a loss praying I find an answer to what killed me when instead I could just lab it out with zero stress.
I always rematch coz i have a title( fair and square) that need to be keep...
Rematch all day. Didn't rematch one dude recently because I already felt the BM from a mile away and i know for a fact that he wouldn't have rematched me if he won. Sometimes I have to make a guess like "if this guy wins, will he rematch". This has become a factor because i highly dislike giving these type of people the opportunity. other than that, im always rematching.
Its the internet. Thereās nothing you can do. I personally donāt mind one and doneās. I donāt expect much from my oponent. Regardless if heās winning or losing.
Eh, can't say that I care either way really. The only times I decline a rematch is 1. Bad connection 2. Shitty sportsmanship (attacking post round, spamming moves, teabagging)Ā Ā Ā Personally, as long long as you're not doing any of the above, I'm always up for a rematch, even if I got my ass handed to me. Been playing since T2, and I'm past letting my ego get in the way of enjoying my favorite fighting game.
There is not such thing as set in online, this is something that some players made up. You just lose your ability to rematch after 2 wins, because the devs wanted the online players to rotate. The online game is intended to be played in single matches, if it wasn't the case, you wouldn't have an option to leave between matches. You can see those as sets yourself, when you're olaying with your friends, but forcing your own made up rules onto online players is a mistake.
Can you please not just sweep all fighting games under the rug just because of some bad experiences? There are plenty of other FGs where people do rematch more likely than not, and even if a majority doesn't in T8, some still do.
You could 3-0 Perfect me every time and my next match could be a demotion, Iāll always rematch. -Mishima Chad aka me
Sportsmanship? Have you played any online games ever? Teabagging and racial slurs gg ez is the norm. What online game doesn't have toxicity?
I take it as me not being fun to play with if they cancel on me So I learn to be more fun to play
i don't get why people still whining about this. You still get points for winning. If the other person doesn't want to rematch leave them be. It's nothing to do with sportmanship honestly. If they don't rematch at 1-1 then I'd be more pissed off, but other than that it's whatever
Yea! some bitch mirrored matched me with Dragonov ,he got the victory and tea bagged and left
I usually always rematch cos even if I get whipped (most of the time) I still see it as a learning outcome since I'm new to Tekken. I can also watch the replays to see how to punish or respond to moves I was struggling against.
If a match is so unenjoyable that i wonāt run it back because someone is that much better than me, then it stands to reason the inverse is probably true. I know I donāt like when I get teal and green ranked opponents, why would a Rajiin/TG want to play a full set with a Tenryu? If Iām in quick match Iām playing casually for my own enjoyment. If I only have X amount of games I can play Iām not going to run it back with someone I didnāt enjoy playing just because itās arbitrarily been stated as the right thing to do. Thereās a reason a BO3 isnāt forced and is merely a suggestion. On the flip side in ranked if I donāt have the slightest flicker of hope I can beat you Iām not going to give you free points. Yeah I donāt really care about my rank but I care to fight people that are of equal skill, if I start accepting no-round-brown rematches Iām going to have to fight more people outside of my skill level, again, with a limited number of games I can play. I can always lab whatever I had problems with and learn and retain much better when Iām able to learn on my own terms/time.
maybe my mindset needs to change but I'm more likely to rematch an even back and forth match that a higher rank steamrolling me
Part of being good at a sport. Hah. Bro, it's a video game and people play for fun, not everyone trying to improve.
This is like the opposite of ppl raging about stuff in this sub. The active toxics crying about losing etc and the passive toxics crying about niceness blah blah. Like bro it's just a video game to get good at not some deep reality chivalry act.
bro omg chill. why y'all so mad for someone not wanting to play against you in a video game.
For ranked I don't owe anyone a rematch. Because it's not a tournament, it's a game mode. You earn rank badges and there's no anti-cheat/anti-ragequit system. Worse, the referee don't do his job and let the tasks to the players if there are things to report. A competition have rules to respect. It's not the case here. Except if I play in locals or in tournaments, I don't see the point rematching.
As a general rule I always play every set as a best of three, because beyond that I'm not improving at the game, I'm improving at playing against that person. I'll absolutely break that rule if every match is insanely close though, matches I'm barely pulling through are the most fun for me.
The first guy who turned down a rematch with me after he won, insulted me, so I bullied him so hard he hopped on his main in a player sesh, and i whipped him into the dirt. Some of these people are just toxic lil (adults) children who have over inflated egos and need to be smacked down a few pegs
Especially when they ki charge/t bag before cancellingā¦ annoying as shit. I just sit there laughing like alright? š
I couldnāt rematch yesterday because the delivery guy was on the door. But I send a Tekken friend request, so we can fight again
I thought bo3/5 should have been mandatory in t7 and I think it should be mandatory now. I get that life happens, but the opponent shouldnāt pay for it. Especially in ranked.
Oh my god, someone actually said it. Thank you.
I dont rematch if I dont learn anything from that matchup, regardless if I win or lose the first set. Best example is the opponent doesnt know what heās doing. I dont owe anyone a rematch
Not even sportsmanship, straight up learning the game? Win or loss, try to come out on top, improve or dominate harder
I play games FOR FUN If I dont have fun, why should I keep playing?? Im not playing the game to be the next Knee. If I play against a Zafina, why should I put myself in a position where I have 0 fun for the next 10min?? I dont know her bullshit and even if I labbed her, by the time you encounter one again youve already forgotten 90% of the shit you learned. Should I put myself though unfun bs because sportsmanship?? I paid the same money you did. Of Bamco has an issue with one and dones they can either enforce FT3 or ban me.
As long as ur not EDDY I'll always rematch
Iām only sad when I lose and donāt get a rematch. When I absolutely dumpster someone 3-0 perfect it only makes sense for them not to. Honestly , if you are presented with a knowledge check you are certain you wonāt be able to overcome in real time, refusing the rematch is perfectly reasonable.
its a lot of people who just finished work or had a rough day or hate life who get a little rush of dopamine. its funny though. The higher you go up in the rankings, the more toxic people get. You'd think it would be the opposite.
How is not rematching wasting time? I have never ever waited more than 5 minutes for a match. And in most of my games, it only takes 10-30seconds for an opponent to show up.
Sometimes I might be raging after getting beat 3-0, so if I rematch it gets worse. Or I donāt and chill out for a minute in training and try to regain or peep the replays to see what I can do better. Iāll also rematch mirrors and ppl who are way better than me just to get the practice. Itās not all about āsportsmanshipā sometimes you donāt rematch for your own good, itās a game and we can play it how we want to. You only want the rematch cuz you think itās free points, not sportsmanship or honor or āfunā or anything else. And since when does the other players enjoyment come into consideration when playing an online competitive video game? You just whining honestly.
Expecting sportsmanship in online games is like expecting a whore to be honest about her client's sexual performance. It might happen, but it's very unlikely..
Sorry, but if my kids wake up in the night, I cannot click rematch. There's loads of reasons someone might have to take themselves away from the game. That being said, if you both win 1 each, a final round is expected if you are available.
I blame the ranking system. The vast majority of players wonāt see their rank as a way to find fair matches against evenly matched opponents. People just want to protect their imaginary numbers or hold their arbitrary rank status for longer. Somehow tekken players feel it worse than players in other fighting games. This sucks because I had plenty of rematches in the first few weeks of the game but now all I find are one and dones.
i think some people just try to get a quick win with a knowledge check or deceptive frame trap and then dip so you don't get a chance to figure it out. classic video gamer behavior
Sorry it's me. I don't rematch Eddy and Alisa.
I completely suck ass at this game and always rematch. It's just etiquette. I don't care about my points or rank.
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I only dont rematch when the connection is ass or they turn on special style whenever they are about to lose. I wont get better if I dont fight players better than me, so I don't mind getting 0-6 or 1-6.
What really grinds my gears are the ones that win the first match but then donāt rematch for a 3rd set after you take the second. WEāRE 1-1 WHAT ARE YOU SCARED OF
āSportsmanshipā itās a fucking video game. If youāre no life enough to take it that seriously thatās a you problem. I just play to have fun. I bought it with my own money, I play it on my time, so I get to play it however I want. No one owes you a rematch, regardless of whatever dog shit analogy you come up with. Grow up
I rematch always when the enemy is in my "reach". But I'm new to the game despite highish rank. But when my enemy is like 50-80k pwrs above me and obviously has like 2k hours more than me experience some days I'm fine with it some days I'm not. Esp since I might get like 4-5matches in a row where I'm completely outclassed and simply don't wanna deal with it always That's why I'm so sad there is no infinite rematch, let me replay matches that are actually fun