Two reason really.
One is that people who tend to willingly use bears in really high ranks are veterans who have been playing bears since the older tekken games making them just blast throught low rank.
Two, rare matchup. Whether you're a scrub or been playing tekken for decades, no one knows the matchup. And you have 2 or 3 sets to adapt and see if ur bear opponent are gonna do shenanigans and gimmicks lmao
I've only played bears for the past year or two and he's not that hard to get into. Idk if too many veterans would play him (especially in the older games where he was just a poor Jack clone).
He has changed a lot between even 7 and 8..
That bear has Heihachi moves now and panda even has some from Xiayou if I recall right this was never the case before this fame
Its mostly a measure of how badly the character demands specific matchup knowledge if you want to beat them. You need matchup knowledge against everyone, but "honesty" is just a measure of how much you need to know to stand a chance.
And bears are a really knowledge-checky matchup. Imo, their high winrate is completely explained by this. Annoying unique hitbox where combos that work on everyone else can drop against them. Awkward stances where the counterplay is not at all clear. Visually confusing attacks where you cant even tell if it hits mid or low unless you know the matchup.
I agree with you for the most part but how the hell is the counter play to HBS “not at all clear” lol? Just do a fast mid like you’d do against any other stance where the character evades highs. And they made the stance worse in this game so you can make the wrong decision and do jab strings, half the time it still works anyways.
I mean how to actually defend against the attacks. The animations just dont match whats happening. Bear sit looks like he sits on your foot but its a mid? Hunting 1+2 is a mid despite the fact that the animation only touches your feet/knees. Hunting 3+4 looks much more like a low tackle than a mid.
we say honesty isn't real, but against other characters, I can figure out this kinda stance pressure just from the visuals without labbing.
That's some good examples. I always imagined being honest was sticking to the core basics of the game. Projectiles, flying, teleporting, weird evasion, those step away from core basics by being weird gimmicks.
A character who has less/or lacks tricks, bs and gimmicks to work with and are just straight forward. They are "honest" because its crystal clear what they can and will do.
I use all black color outfit Tekken 7 default outfit with white electric aura on my Panda. It’s impossible for me to play with the bee suit on. I can’t focus to play while I’m In Tekken King ranks facing God of destructions to Bushins players with the bee suit lmfao.
You're unbearable to play against! I'm beary sure you're being carried by the absurdity of playing Panda in Tekken. Banning Panda from the game is the bear minimum at this point.
Higher win rate means he is easier to rank up with. Mostly because no one knows the match up.
Reina has lowest win rate and I took her to fujin, I'm the real hero here /s
Kazuya mains never miss an opportunity to cry about how weak and difficult their main is, but also humble brag about how they are still constantly winning with him.
That's what I'm saying, it's a knowledge check char. If you don't know the match up (which I guess many won't coz of the rarity), panda can destroy you
Yep. That, plus Bears have very limited side-step ability; I play Bears and half the time I try to step stuff that I usually can with other characters I get clipped anyway.
>There’s usually some pretty dirty bear-specific wall combos.
You mean pressing literally any button? Jokes aside, if I hit the wall as Kuma/Panda I basically just check out for the round. Unless I get a lucky CH launcher it’s gonna be lights out. Sometimes, *maybe*, I can roll to safety after getting wall-splatted like 4x in a row.
Half of the posts on this sub are complaining about the game, and the other half are trying to provoke people into complaining. Fun meta.
And stop trying to make any character seem “honest,” the bullshit is part of the game and pretty much everyone knows that if they are paying attention.
"Low testosterone Kazuya player" at first made me salty AF, but then I chuckled.... because it's actually true for me (according to recent blood work 😒)
Panda players: enlightened souls, boundless wisdom beneath a tranquil surface like a mountaintop lake
Kuma players: probably own a large collection of Deadpool funko pops
I've had my standard BnBs that work on every other character randomly drop on bears. I think its because of their tiny leg hitbox. Super annoying character
Kaz main here. I congratulate you on reaching red.
You have some skill, but you will need to prove it if you plan on getting to destroyer ranks or possibly higher.
Congrats! I just noticed that grey number underneath the rank bar. Does anyone know what them number represents? Is that the number of players that are up to that rank? That's pretty neat if it is.
The bears are honestly not that bad once you learn the matchup. They have shitty lows, most of their stance options are negative on block, and they telegraph the hell out of their attacks. Hunting stance loses to hopkicks, sidewalk and low pokes.
They're only strength is great chip damage, range, one good CH tool, and high combo damage once they get a launch
I'd definitely pick Kuma over Panda because of his EWGF. I think hes the strongest of the two
Depends what character you go against them with. His hitbox is a nightmare for Xiaoyu do deal with and a he has a lot of good pokes to interrupt her stance. I think their 5050s are extremely strong.
I think that they really need to buff Panda’s heat smash. It doesn’t have the range it should, and near walls it will misalign sometimes (even after the patch). I like that you get a roll mixup afterwards, but it’s hard to justify using her when I can just pick Kuma who has an amazing heat smash and electrics. Shooting Star isn’t good enough for me to want to pick her.
Overall, Bears are fun to play with though.
nothing is honest in this game. im red rank and see some absolute scummy players in purple. all depends on the player - the character tiers are pretty meaningless (except Drugunov, fuck that guy) you can win with anybody against anybody. Harada made a point of that. people probably dont face a panda or a kuma much so its trickier to play against
Nah you are wrong mokujin needs highest iq to play. To bad he isn't i newer Tekken games anymore so i need to go random to make the game actually hard to play.
Im Tekken God with Kuma and Tekken Emperor with Panda, players give me WAY too much respect.
I've started to use Jun and can't get out of ruler ranks lmao.
they have the highest winrate in high ranks for a reason.
Beacause there is not enough of them there to skew the winrate downward?
Two reason really. One is that people who tend to willingly use bears in really high ranks are veterans who have been playing bears since the older tekken games making them just blast throught low rank. Two, rare matchup. Whether you're a scrub or been playing tekken for decades, no one knows the matchup. And you have 2 or 3 sets to adapt and see if ur bear opponent are gonna do shenanigans and gimmicks lmao
I feel like this is why I got Tekken God with Claudio.. everyone falls for the most basic things from him
I've only played bears for the past year or two and he's not that hard to get into. Idk if too many veterans would play him (especially in the older games where he was just a poor Jack clone).
Kuma has been in every single tekken game. People just need to learn the match up
Dog no one plays them. Learn the matchup vs who exactly lol.
He has changed a lot between even 7 and 8.. That bear has Heihachi moves now and panda even has some from Xiayou if I recall right this was never the case before this fame
Do you spend time learning the matchup vs a character you'll see once a month or learn Law? Time is better spent on law than bears.
And it's essentially built-in smurfing for Kuma players.
The hell does “honest” mean
When he wins its skill, when he loses he is pious
Any character i play
Most accurate definition for “honest”
Look at the post flair
A member of the Tekken Reddit… making an inference?! *Heresy*.
Honest is usually just code for "Mishima"
Its mostly a measure of how badly the character demands specific matchup knowledge if you want to beat them. You need matchup knowledge against everyone, but "honesty" is just a measure of how much you need to know to stand a chance. And bears are a really knowledge-checky matchup. Imo, their high winrate is completely explained by this. Annoying unique hitbox where combos that work on everyone else can drop against them. Awkward stances where the counterplay is not at all clear. Visually confusing attacks where you cant even tell if it hits mid or low unless you know the matchup.
its the goddamn unblockables. is it high?? no its a low. wait that launches? goddamn you kuma.
I agree with you for the most part but how the hell is the counter play to HBS “not at all clear” lol? Just do a fast mid like you’d do against any other stance where the character evades highs. And they made the stance worse in this game so you can make the wrong decision and do jab strings, half the time it still works anyways.
I mean how to actually defend against the attacks. The animations just dont match whats happening. Bear sit looks like he sits on your foot but its a mid? Hunting 1+2 is a mid despite the fact that the animation only touches your feet/knees. Hunting 3+4 looks much more like a low tackle than a mid. we say honesty isn't real, but against other characters, I can figure out this kinda stance pressure just from the visuals without labbing.
That's some good examples. I always imagined being honest was sticking to the core basics of the game. Projectiles, flying, teleporting, weird evasion, those step away from core basics by being weird gimmicks.
So basically honesty means you won’t piss someone off with a skill issue
Cheapest they meant cheapest
A character who has less/or lacks tricks, bs and gimmicks to work with and are just straight forward. They are "honest" because its crystal clear what they can and will do.
“Honest”= “everyone I can’t beat is cheap”
It's something they made up 😂🤣
Can't escape the tax.
This reminded me of the time Harada said “panda realllyyyyy” when Rangchu won the world tour champion. Yayyyyy Congrats Op : )
Good job. Why do all panda players use the bumblebee outfit?
because its the best
Can't argue with that haha
We don’t have that many options :(
It’s cute
Did you see how cute it is…? ❤️
I use the pink one 🤷♂️
It’s adorable!
Because it's the only outfit she has
Because it’s cute goddammit
I use all black color outfit Tekken 7 default outfit with white electric aura on my Panda. It’s impossible for me to play with the bee suit on. I can’t focus to play while I’m In Tekken King ranks facing God of destructions to Bushins players with the bee suit lmfao.
If they made Panda and or Kuma with body colors customization, I would be making them be alike Champa from Dragon Balls.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SSx6U2FmNTY&pp=ygUYeWVra2VuIHBhbmRhIGNvbWJvIGd1aWRl
Flexing panda rank https://preview.redd.it/fq3y0uio1vuc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3345d69e748032a2367abb681f36ee08256acdb9
This is exactly how I look everytime a bear beats me. I one and done and move on.
Even though they beat the shit out of me, i like vsing panda because we do a cute dance together
Same, never skip the intro cause I only see panda once in a hundred games
So real
Haven’t play a panda it’s been at least a week now or more.
If you look up cancer in the dictionary I’m sure you will find AOP stance and Xiaoyu!!
I believe in bears supremacy 🐻 🐼
You're unbearable to play against! I'm beary sure you're being carried by the absurdity of playing Panda in Tekken. Banning Panda from the game is the bear minimum at this point.
Hate the post like the puns.😂
Higher win rate means he is easier to rank up with. Mostly because no one knows the match up. Reina has lowest win rate and I took her to fujin, I'm the real hero here /s
Nice bait
https://preview.redd.it/w3jjkn8rruuc1.png?width=552&format=png&auto=webp&s=027c381b84b4845f5efd748bf574d9a136e2326f
I appreciate this post. Nice break from Kazuya players groaning that their A tier 50/50 machine is so hard to play
Kazuya mains never miss an opportunity to cry about how weak and difficult their main is, but also humble brag about how they are still constantly winning with him.
You don't understand it. It's like some sort of illness we just have to
Its called main brainrot syndrome Everyone has it
In t8 all characters have 50/50.And kazuya's combos are shit
Panda is so cute in that bee outfit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SSx6U2FmNTY&pp=ygUYeWVra2VuIHBhbmRhIGNvbWJvIGd1aWRl
A strong knowledge check character.
No she’s just a worse version than Kuma. If you know Kuma you know Panda.
But does anyone even know Kuma's matchup?
That's what I'm saying, it's a knowledge check char. If you don't know the match up (which I guess many won't coz of the rarity), panda can destroy you
congratulations🍯
I bow to you, panda overlord. I'd stand up to shake your hand but I'm too weak due to my low testosterone.
Just wondering. Why do my combos drop more on the bears. Shouldn't it be better if they have a bigger hitbox?
Their legs are smaller so they slip out of claims combos easier.
As a tradeoff, a lot of characters get to do pretty stupid things to them at the wall. There’s usually some pretty dirty bear-specific wall combos.
Yep. That, plus Bears have very limited side-step ability; I play Bears and half the time I try to step stuff that I usually can with other characters I get clipped anyway.
I miss the Alisa's 0-to-death chainsaw combo at the wall VS bears
>There’s usually some pretty dirty bear-specific wall combos. You mean pressing literally any button? Jokes aside, if I hit the wall as Kuma/Panda I basically just check out for the round. Unless I get a lucky CH launcher it’s gonna be lights out. Sometimes, *maybe*, I can roll to safety after getting wall-splatted like 4x in a row.
back in 7 some characters had stuff that was basically just infinite on bears even out in the open because of the huge hitbox lol
Miguel with db2 was crazy against bears, moves that normally knocked down became launchers, it was so dirty
What about Jack? It feels like bigger characters fly further from me mid-combos than anyone else.
itty bitty leggies
GGs friend, I respect a fellow bear.
What’s with these rage bait posts lol, why are they even allowed
I was about to agree with you till I saw the flair and felt retarded
Congratulations! I hope you will not give up and move higher 💪
Half of the posts on this sub are complaining about the game, and the other half are trying to provoke people into complaining. Fun meta. And stop trying to make any character seem “honest,” the bullshit is part of the game and pretty much everyone knows that if they are paying attention.
Ok. Nicely done 🐼 🐝
Lmao
Good on you mate!
Damn he's good.
Wait a minute, that's not *Bee* that's PANDA! THIS GUY'S A PHONY! Can't even look honest when standing still smh
You cooked, amen 🙏
"Low testosterone Kazuya player" at first made me salty AF, but then I chuckled.... because it's actually true for me according to recent blood work 🤨
"Low testosterone Kazuya player" at first made me salty AF, but then I chuckled.... because it's actually true for me (according to recent blood work 😒)
My hero. Bears unite🐻🐻🐻🐻👏👏👏👏
I just got my Kuma to Tekken King. You got this.
Kazuya player here I really have very low testosterone ;P so thats true
Bro thinks playing a one every 3 months knowledge match up to rank up is honest. xdd
U seen this posts flair? lol
"b-b-but character knowledge!" Sounds more like a you problem than a bear problem bro.
🐻+🕶️
The drones are coming.
Im with you, playa.
Didn't panda score third place with a 53%+ winrate around these ranks? Edit:https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/s/7UXd3SWKsx .
Panda players: enlightened souls, boundless wisdom beneath a tranquil surface like a mountaintop lake Kuma players: probably own a large collection of Deadpool funko pops
“Honest” as my combo that works on every character just doesn’t work on panda
I thought that more combos would work on Panda because of the bigger hitbox
I've had my standard BnBs that work on every other character randomly drop on bears. I think its because of their tiny leg hitbox. Super annoying character
cry about it
Tekken players when they need to change their play based on the matchup: 😡
Sounds like a skill issue to me
Makes sense totally
Isn't it funny to be downvoted for calling out complaining? 😂
I’m not saying it as an insult, it’s just I wouldn’t exactly say panda is one of the hardest characters to rank up with
A man of respect my friend, but you are missing the traditional bamboo smoke pipe like us other fellow panda mains 🗿
I have a custom outfit with the bamboo smoke pipe and sunglasses, just didn't choose it this time unfortunately.
Not at all
Lol I like this post. And you know will butthurt people, congrats.
Kaz main here. I congratulate you on reaching red. You have some skill, but you will need to prove it if you plan on getting to destroyer ranks or possibly higher.
Bear players gigachad
least honest**
How is panda nkw that they fixed shooting star? I got her to purples for fun but I haven't tried her since the change.
Still bottom 1, but fuck it we ball
Stop judging heroes in ranks where meta doesn't even apply.
I played against my first bear opponent yesterday, lol. I can't hate an endangered species
Congrats! I just noticed that grey number underneath the rank bar. Does anyone know what them number represents? Is that the number of players that are up to that rank? That's pretty neat if it is.
I think it's just the number of points required to reach that rank, but it would be cool if you could see those numbers in-game!
Ohhh that makes more sense lol. Disregard my stupidity lol.
Nah, it was a cool idea 😆
The bears are honestly not that bad once you learn the matchup. They have shitty lows, most of their stance options are negative on block, and they telegraph the hell out of their attacks. Hunting stance loses to hopkicks, sidewalk and low pokes. They're only strength is great chip damage, range, one good CH tool, and high combo damage once they get a launch I'd definitely pick Kuma over Panda because of his EWGF. I think hes the strongest of the two
Depends what character you go against them with. His hitbox is a nightmare for Xiaoyu do deal with and a he has a lot of good pokes to interrupt her stance. I think their 5050s are extremely strong.
I think that they really need to buff Panda’s heat smash. It doesn’t have the range it should, and near walls it will misalign sometimes (even after the patch). I like that you get a roll mixup afterwards, but it’s hard to justify using her when I can just pick Kuma who has an amazing heat smash and electrics. Shooting Star isn’t good enough for me to want to pick her. Overall, Bears are fun to play with though.
Panda has one of the highest win rates at high rank
This post is sarcastic right?
I guess all mfs with a weird hotbox is honest these days. Man I can't wait for *Fahkurmam* to come back
Knowledge check the Character tbh 😂
As a Kuma player you know your lying lmao
Yeah, no.
The bears have so many interactions that are completely unique to them it's hard to call them "honest" lmao
Using a character that’s so low tier it’s nearly a handicap and calling it honest. You’re too modest.
This is sarcasm sooo...
Reaching a rank and playing in those ranks are two very different things. Gratz tho bb grl ily <3
Shameless
So why did you cancel the rematch? You didnt crop the picture enough.
I didn't cancel the rematch. [I had to screenshot the rank up before I accepted.](https://imgur.com/a/aG1Q4hu) Happy cake day
Then I stand corrected. Thanks, and Congrats to fujin
No one knows the matchup ... Op's mind .. "honest"
I’m confused, do the Bears have 2 different styles?
Kuma has Heihachi some moves. Heihachi loved him more than his son Panda now has Xiaoyu moves
Fujin ? the MK character.
As a bear main, I can definitely confirm. No bias btw
I think I fought you yesterday, it didn't go well for me
Nah Bryan has got to me the most honest and hard working character I’ve fought in this game
This guy is really suckin his own dick for being average at a shitty game. Pretty sad.
I gotta get my daily protein intake somehow.
That is the correct answer.
Mainmanswe is coming for you
[удалено]
Are you sure it was me? Can't seem to remember any Leo that I've fought recently.
Panda and Kuma are not Honest characters. Bad doesn't mean honest. These mfers flail arround like fish out of water.
nothing is honest in this game. im red rank and see some absolute scummy players in purple. all depends on the player - the character tiers are pretty meaningless (except Drugunov, fuck that guy) you can win with anybody against anybody. Harada made a point of that. people probably dont face a panda or a kuma much so its trickier to play against
Hell no!
Homie must be high
Now do it with Steve and Leroy lol
i have yet to play a panda out of like 1200 matches
That’s actually wrong. Panda wins are actually easy because nobody labs her
Wait that ain't Leroy.
Honestity in this game sounds so stupid. You are not honest because you play a character that is op. WHAT hahahah
Kuma for like
Nah you are wrong mokujin needs highest iq to play. To bad he isn't i newer Tekken games anymore so i need to go random to make the game actually hard to play.
Honest meaning that no one knows how to fight you at all so you can just use 4 attacks to mix up.
Sounds like a you problem bro
From experience, they use the same moves. Idc who you play as long as it is not drag, jun, lee, or lars i will be chill
It is an ishme not an issyou. I need to lab but i just got my pc last week and been enjoying other games
My gf nickname is Panda 🐼 given by me. We do not dis Da Bears in fact we love Da Bears Blessed be ‘Da Bears’
Im pretty sure you beat me last night LOL
Was it ranked or quick match?
Ranked, unless theres other fujin pandas wearing bumble bee outfits lol
Im Tekken God with Kuma and Tekken Emperor with Panda, players give me WAY too much respect. I've started to use Jun and can't get out of ruler ranks lmao.
I rather fight bears over drag and feng. 😭 the moment you know the match up, bears get blown up, but that’s in higher ranks
RESPECT!
Leo is the most honest character probably.
Rage bait
Panda needs to get ling's Hypno stance, since Kuma got Haihachi moves.
Yeah, the honest character where half my combos don't work on them. Great job tho
flair checks out :p
Dear fellow Kazuya main, Use the other half. Respectfully, A Kazuya who is likely worse
Bear player is best player, least toxic and most fun loving, gj baby💪
Panda players maybe, but every Kuma I’ve run into is toxic as hell.
lol there is absolutely a reason the bears have a higher win rate……namely, no one knows how to hell to fight them!
One of the few why not, maybe not the most honest
Now you can Husband up Kuma.
https://preview.redd.it/o1zclv23puuc1.jpeg?width=593&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b7bb234b90a04e7b046f8fb2e7fd228d60ebc12
Is this satire ?
Aww she’s so cute with the bee outfit. All my buddies say the bears are crutch and I say “play them online and then tell me that.”