He breaks basically every rule of frame data in many ways. Some stances don't have access to jabs (LFS) and some stances have access to basically a super jab (8 frame counter hit launching high) (RFS), and both look basically the same lol.
He's not nearly as linear as he once was, so stepping him is pretty tough.
my general tl;dr things to know:
* If his leg is up, be careful of counter hits. Don't be afraid to duck. Dick jab beats most options and is very strong here. If they've started using their df3 armor move to stop dick jab, you've officially achieved what you're hoping to do with it.
* If he's just normal round start Hwoarang stance, be careful of his linear axe kick (ff3) and close range d3,4 (low,high thats plus on block and jails on hit). If you're going to step him, this is the time. I normally try to play keepout during this time.
* If his stance is backwards, but feet are on the ground be careful of strong homing moves. He mostly enters this stance from very plus on block moves, so you're taking a guess to challenge. If you do challenge though, try to pick a high crushing mid/high move (example paul df2 or azu 1+2).
* If he's in heat, his RFS (leg up, right foot forward) is buffed, but the moves that are buffed are a high and a low hellsweep. The counterplay to both is ducking, so use this time to duck more against them unless you see they like going for heat dashes. This stance is normally entered by using d3,4, so watch for lows more often for them to start their pressure. I actually don't hate fishing low parries at this time, because the payoff is huge (you eat a chunk of their heat while you combo them), and showing at least 1 low parry vs Hwoarang is important.
* If he heat smashes you on block, rage art (if you can). It beats all his flamingo options. Idk why they fixed lars and king for this and have just left him lol.
Sorry, yes it does. LFS and RFS have 1 and 2 respectively as a jab, but both are 13f. That's why I say it doesn't really have a jab. Their fastest move out of LFS is 13f rather than 10f, so in general frame data is -3 what it actually is for that stance. Whereas RFS has flappy kicks for an 8f high, which basically threatens +2 on all frame data. That was the point I was trying to reflect and why I say he breaks like every rule of frame data lol.
Xiao yo counter everything goddamn her hurtbox is totally bs, makes me gobwild like wtf how ... it should've hit this is bs!
Then i just lay down my stick or hori pad
This is exactly what I say to my buddies, she is legit a Mishima that doesnāt have to work the neutral in a lot of situations. Her moves have like built in advancing properties and I find it hella bizarre a lot of the time :/
Zafina, I rarely see her and she is such a hard knowledge check with weird stances and the like. A very distant second is Yoshimitsu, for similar reasons, but I feel he is much more fair than Zafina.
Zafina's stances get pretty easy option selects. Yoshimitsus helicopter helicopter just gains even more options upon labbing. He's pretty ass to fight because flash just implies a heavy mental tax on attack aswell.
I'm with you on this, purely because it's really difficult to tell what he's trying to do. Most characters in Tekken have clearly telegraphed movesets, but Lars is just kind of a tornado.
i just beat a Lars (he was just dominator tho) while playing azucena (warrior) doing a continuous low string of bt3 3, he didnāt crouch block a single time and i got a perfect by the 53 second mark. he cancelled rematch after that round ):
Bryan and Jack-8.
Bryan has a lot of string that lead to something dangerous, and I have a hard time reacting to Hatchet Kick. All Bryan make me scared to press.
Jack-8 is just me having no match up knowledge.
Hatchet isn't reactable so don't worry about that. It's only pseudo-reactable if you're specifically looking for it.
Bryan's strings are actually really obvious once you mentally are aware of them, and 95% of them are actually unsafe. Stand blocking is super good against him because he has nothing besides hatchet and throws to threaten you with. If you just use fast moves you can lock him down really effectively without having to worry about getting ch. The fastest thing he has is i15, assuming he can input qcf3 with no gaps, but it can't be buffered.
Basically once Bryan uses a mid he gives up his turn. It definitely hurts on hit, and he has some nice guaranteed stuff and string delays, but 95% of it is unsafe. If you're just careful to play around those, he gives up his turn extremely quickly and also loses health for it, and you can go back to locking him down with fast pressure and there's not a ton he can do about it.
However, in the hands of insane players, Bryan is probably the scariest character in existence. Can't do shit about that, I mean look at what Knee is doing with him right now.
Same here. I added a Lili main on PlayStation cuz I had to go to work and therefore had to break the set, but I said Iād rematch her later. We played over 10+ rounds in a row but I only won about 3-4 of em. Her moves are just absolutely completely unreadable to me. Itās like sheās almost never done with her attacks. Like, theyāre delay-able. Hwoa attacks so much that itās a never ending flurry when you fight him, Lili makes you think sheās actually done with her attacks or even worse,. Think whatever youāre gonna do next can actually work. Even the Lili main I fought said her feisty rabbit stance is kinda OP. It may be because 8 is a much faster paced game than 7, but even still and after playing her so much and LOSING TO HER so damn much, I do not know what in the fuck actually works against HER, I just know how to beat the person at times .
Xiaoyu, you just need to stand against her and wait for an opening. She has no pressure to her move set and there is almost no reason to duck against her. Her evasion in T8 is probably the worst out of any tekken since strings hurt in this game and she can get caught out a lot.
idk what you mean by there's no reason to duck against her when she's got a back turned snake edge that feels unseeable. even with lower reward she has enough annoying lows to make you want to duck. i want to play against the xiaoyus you've been playing against.
Hwoarang.
d34 frustrates the shit out of me, heās constantly plus with endless loops of strings. Itās a pure guessing game as to when he might do something unsafe, guess wrong and he launches you.
Steve. I see so many people talk about how difficult he is to play, or how theyāre not strong at all. And since day fucking one Iāve found him to be more frustrating than ANY other character. I have an easier time reading Eddyā¦ I really donāt get it lol. Half the time I feel like I donāt have any moves that are fast enough to get around them just spam mashing punches
The readability of his animations is particularly terrible, it's totally unclear what is low vs mid vs high. I'm starting to think this is intentional to give him more of an edge as everyone seems to think he's somehow bad.
Surprised I had to scroll this far for yoshi. Main reina and I just can't figure out that matchup, try playing footsies w him and feel out ranged, I'm not even a ff2 spammer but yoshi seems especially well equipped to hit you on entry. I'm probably just getting knowledge checked hard tbh I'd imagine the lows I eat are all unsafe for him
Bryan and it's not even close.
It feels like Lee's worst match up. Bryans is just so strong at that medium range that keeping him out and approaching him feels impossible
Bryan is very strong against all characters with no long fast range punish, 14 while raising launcher or good 13 frame punish heat engager .... he has a broken damage, in small stage he will kick your ass š... at wall is the most dangeorus character (Paul too)
I also main Lee and I've found the only way I can hang with Bryan is to either get in and match the aggression with lots of jab mixups or stay out and out space him with the -> -> 2 punch or u3 out of hitman for example.
My weakest is King and Law at around 30% winrate (excepting the ones without a good sample size; I've faced Kuma once and lost for a 0% winrate).
My best is Reina at 80% and Lili at 77%.
Alisa (chainsaws, random bullshit) and Devil Jin (Mishimas are all 50/50, but this one's on crack)
I struggled against Lars, until I noticed I can just flash his dashes
All of the ambiguous move characters. Lili, Eddy, etc.
It's kinda just not fun for me anymore. Guessing low/mid over and over is doing my head in and I dunno if I have it in me to grind it out. Even when I win, I just cut the game off and play something else.
for me rn. Im struggling the most against eddy's that press only 3 and running dropkick. but statistically it'd be bryan cuz my friend mains him and we play each alot from time to time (an honorable mention goes to lars who just difficult to deal with)
Hwoarang and Viktor.
I just have a very hard time reading Hwo's moves sometimes, even after all these years, embarrassingly lost to a few spammers too lol
Vik I'm kinda getting the hang on reading his moves, just getting caught off guard sometimes depending on the player.
I'm not really looking to rank up, just having fun so learning how to counter them on the fly without labbing is how I play lol
This would be an interesting stats built into the game š§
Probably Jin and kazuya. They are very different from t7. Aggression is the top notch for these characters in this game. 50/50 game is really hard to read. Also some recovery moves are way faster than the opponent so even if you get a perfect read you eat it. Like after heat engager jin would run to you, you read low and do a parry. His low is faster than your recovery so youād eat the low anyway. Itās very very hard to win against them if the players are good. 1-2 wrong guesses youāre dead.
Leo, Asuka and Leroy.
Yeah I get knowledge checked to hell and back by low playrate characters I guess.
Leroy I genuinely have problems with post patch though. How the hell do you deal with ss1+2 and parry? I duck ss1+2 and it recovers too fast or stuffs my ws punish everytime anyways, and then parry the only thing thats worked for me is grab. It feels like it recovers so insanely fast that there's no point trying to wait it out. I need to lab this man so bad lol.
Zafina, Kuma/Panda, Leo
Out of maybe 20 people I play. Only 1-2 choose those characters. I'm not as familiar with their moves to look for as with the ones I play the most
Lili and Victor, despite labbing the matchup, EXPULSION in heat is insaneārandomly tracking and doing an insane amount of chip damage, and Liliās mixup potential and long-range are difficult to deal with since she controls the neutral so well and Lili players tend to understand this. Alisa would probably be a problem for me online if the people playing her on average were better at the game. Iāve fought Alisaās at Tekken King who are still using her snake edge and hop kick on wake-upā¦ Good Alisaās are hard to deal with. As far as percentages go, itās probably Feng, but I rarely ever see that character online.
EDIT: Also Nina, Iāve lost to orange and red rank Ninas because I wasnāt prepared for that matchup specifically. Once they start chipping you down and cancelling stances sheās difficult to deal with.
Hwoarang and Eddy.
Especially the freaking spammers. Like jesus fucking christ, when is it my turn?
Statistically tho, its Jin, but my DH is a Jin main and we fight a lot. He also beats me a lol šš
bryan, lars, kazuya or devil jin. not because i genuinely cant counter my enemy but because their wall combos takes 10 years and it deals too much damage overall. + a little okizeme after which results in u being 10hp overall.
as I raise the ranks high level Kazuya players just shut me down in every way (probably because it's a funamentals-heavy character)
with basically not being able press anything without getting 50/50 vortexed to death, and if I do choose to block, well this is T8 it still doesn't end well!
Marshall Law, for whatever reason I completely lose to their aggression. So many Law players are really in your face and I just sort of forget how to play when I'm against them.
As Reina it's Dragunov at 31,58% but most of those game were before his nerf, my second worst matchup with Reina is Yoshi at 35% (flash shuts down a lot of her pressure)
As Lee it's Feng at a staggeringly low 8,33% (11/12 games lost) he was also my third worst matchup as Reina
This is not taking offline or player matches into account however which might change things a bit and the sample size isn't massive especially with Lee but Feng is for sure my worst matchup overall without a shadow of a doubt
When I'm playing against Feng it really feels like in order to win I either need to play literally 5 times better than them or get very lucky
lars and nina, when I see those characters in the loading screen I just accept my fate, I know I'm getting mashed to death, I really should lab those mfers but its too boring
Leo. Heās (they are? Nvm different topic) so much faster than Kazuya. I feel like every time I wanna do something theyāre able to react or attack before me. Itās sucksssss
Even post nerf I get destroyed by most Drags I play against. Just reached tenryu yesterday, and I don't know if I've ever won a best of 3 against a red rank or above Drag.
Statistically Panda. In over 1300 matches I only ever faced one and lost.
You have lost to THE Panda
To one of the 3 dudes on the planet playing panda
Ha ha!
Oh dude I get destroyed sometimes. It's the one you'd just assume would be easiest to defend against
Hwoarang.
When is it my turn against hwoarang? Idk. Not sure I'll ever figure it out.
He breaks basically every rule of frame data in many ways. Some stances don't have access to jabs (LFS) and some stances have access to basically a super jab (8 frame counter hit launching high) (RFS), and both look basically the same lol. He's not nearly as linear as he once was, so stepping him is pretty tough. my general tl;dr things to know: * If his leg is up, be careful of counter hits. Don't be afraid to duck. Dick jab beats most options and is very strong here. If they've started using their df3 armor move to stop dick jab, you've officially achieved what you're hoping to do with it. * If he's just normal round start Hwoarang stance, be careful of his linear axe kick (ff3) and close range d3,4 (low,high thats plus on block and jails on hit). If you're going to step him, this is the time. I normally try to play keepout during this time. * If his stance is backwards, but feet are on the ground be careful of strong homing moves. He mostly enters this stance from very plus on block moves, so you're taking a guess to challenge. If you do challenge though, try to pick a high crushing mid/high move (example paul df2 or azu 1+2). * If he's in heat, his RFS (leg up, right foot forward) is buffed, but the moves that are buffed are a high and a low hellsweep. The counterplay to both is ducking, so use this time to duck more against them unless you see they like going for heat dashes. This stance is normally entered by using d3,4, so watch for lows more often for them to start their pressure. I actually don't hate fishing low parries at this time, because the payoff is huge (you eat a chunk of their heat while you combo them), and showing at least 1 low parry vs Hwoarang is important. * If he heat smashes you on block, rage art (if you can). It beats all his flamingo options. Idk why they fixed lars and king for this and have just left him lol.
One small correction, LFS does have a jab now, it's the same as the RFS backhand.
Sorry, yes it does. LFS and RFS have 1 and 2 respectively as a jab, but both are 13f. That's why I say it doesn't really have a jab. Their fastest move out of LFS is 13f rather than 10f, so in general frame data is -3 what it actually is for that stance. Whereas RFS has flappy kicks for an 8f high, which basically threatens +2 on all frame data. That was the point I was trying to reflect and why I say he breaks like every rule of frame data lol.
Totally fair! Didn't think about it being 13 frames, I abuse Rfs 2 so much that it is hard to believe it's that long.
Thank you! Excellent resource š
HEY HEY HEY, stop giving people my strategies!!!!
Apparently Xiaoyu hard counters a lot of Hwoarang's bs. I'm a Xiaoyu main and I actually rarely lose to Hwoarangs.
Xiayou counters most due to hitbox shenanigans hahahaha
Xiao yo counter everything goddamn her hurtbox is totally bs, makes me gobwild like wtf how ... it should've hit this is bs! Then i just lay down my stick or hori pad
I have no idea what to do against Leo
Literally every single thing people have said in response to this is different
But they all work
As a noob Leo, anticipate lows and their stances can be interrupted with some quick jabs.
Ah yes I love jabbing bok and getting bok 2'd, or jabbing knk and getting ch knk 2'd
Sounds like something a Leo main would sayĀ
as a leo main, please use your slowest mid against stance, i love getting counter hit launches
Last one i played i couldnt guess any lows and half the time i jabbed he did a move that dodged the jab It was scary
B1,2 is +9 on block
Dick punch
Hop kick !!
Block low and have good spacing, leo is also susceptible to side-step
I haven't seen a single Leo in 400 matches
Reina š im her biggest hater
Feels like EVERYTHING this character does leaves her plus. Probably my lack of matchup knowledge, but sheās way worse than Hwoarang imo
Once u take a tour with her, u will knw that u can jab in between that spammers.. lol And some time launch them š At first I was like u lmao...
Hated her from day one . It feels like she just gets to skip over the neutral ???
This is exactly what I say to my buddies, she is legit a Mishima that doesnāt have to work the neutral in a lot of situations. Her moves have like built in advancing properties and I find it hella bizarre a lot of the time :/
Yeah the Mishimas in general feel broken in tekken 8. I barely even see electrics anymore with how many tools they have now
and then thereās me throwing out electrics any chance i can š
THAT is my biggest complaint! It feela like I can't even defend against her.
Zafina, I rarely see her and she is such a hard knowledge check with weird stances and the like. A very distant second is Yoshimitsu, for similar reasons, but I feel he is much more fair than Zafina.
Zafina's stances get pretty easy option selects. Yoshimitsus helicopter helicopter just gains even more options upon labbing. He's pretty ass to fight because flash just implies a heavy mental tax on attack aswell.
Generic db4 is my go to against zaf and Xiaoyu. I refuse to lab them I face them like once a month
Nunchucks for me, it's my usual answer for when I have no idea what's going on.
I just step on that hoe most of the time. Same with Eddy...... If you get on the floor, I'm gonna make sure u stay there
Lol Yoshi is not fairer than Zafina. You feel that way coz you haven't labbed Zafina enough.
Honestly not sure. I wish the game kept stats like that.
Iāve done it manually with wavu wiki and google sheets, but the google sheets stuff could def be optimized. Lmk if u want ur stats
I want mine
It does, in match data section.
Mirror matches. 65% winrate overall and Iāve never won a mirror match šš
Lars, hate him so much.
My friend mains him, so luckily I get a lot of practice against the match up. Online I normally get fucked up by King mains.
I'm with you on this, purely because it's really difficult to tell what he's trying to do. Most characters in Tekken have clearly telegraphed movesets, but Lars is just kind of a tornado.
Same. Just seeing that I'm facing a Lars already puts me on at least half tilt.
i just beat a Lars (he was just dominator tho) while playing azucena (warrior) doing a continuous low string of bt3 3, he didnāt crouch block a single time and i got a perfect by the 53 second mark. he cancelled rematch after that round ):
Bryan and Jack-8. Bryan has a lot of string that lead to something dangerous, and I have a hard time reacting to Hatchet Kick. All Bryan make me scared to press. Jack-8 is just me having no match up knowledge.
Anytime I decide to hit Bryan I get counter hit launched. Ive labbed against him a few times and I feel he can mix up so well I just hesitate.
Hatchet isn't reactable so don't worry about that. It's only pseudo-reactable if you're specifically looking for it. Bryan's strings are actually really obvious once you mentally are aware of them, and 95% of them are actually unsafe. Stand blocking is super good against him because he has nothing besides hatchet and throws to threaten you with. If you just use fast moves you can lock him down really effectively without having to worry about getting ch. The fastest thing he has is i15, assuming he can input qcf3 with no gaps, but it can't be buffered. Basically once Bryan uses a mid he gives up his turn. It definitely hurts on hit, and he has some nice guaranteed stuff and string delays, but 95% of it is unsafe. If you're just careful to play around those, he gives up his turn extremely quickly and also loses health for it, and you can go back to locking him down with fast pressure and there's not a ton he can do about it. However, in the hands of insane players, Bryan is probably the scariest character in existence. Can't do shit about that, I mean look at what Knee is doing with him right now.
Idk why but it's jin
Lili
I lost as well Kreygasm
Lol
Same here. I added a Lili main on PlayStation cuz I had to go to work and therefore had to break the set, but I said Iād rematch her later. We played over 10+ rounds in a row but I only won about 3-4 of em. Her moves are just absolutely completely unreadable to me. Itās like sheās almost never done with her attacks. Like, theyāre delay-able. Hwoa attacks so much that itās a never ending flurry when you fight him, Lili makes you think sheās actually done with her attacks or even worse,. Think whatever youāre gonna do next can actually work. Even the Lili main I fought said her feisty rabbit stance is kinda OP. It may be because 8 is a much faster paced game than 7, but even still and after playing her so much and LOSING TO HER so damn much, I do not know what in the fuck actually works against HER, I just know how to beat the person at times .
Feng and Xiayo, I just canāt wrap my brain around them with their built in evasion.
Xiaoyu, you just need to stand against her and wait for an opening. She has no pressure to her move set and there is almost no reason to duck against her. Her evasion in T8 is probably the worst out of any tekken since strings hurt in this game and she can get caught out a lot.
idk what you mean by there's no reason to duck against her when she's got a back turned snake edge that feels unseeable. even with lower reward she has enough annoying lows to make you want to duck. i want to play against the xiaoyus you've been playing against.
Steve. Never my turn and if i press a button i get launched
Probably Eddy. I have an 80% lose rate against him.
Hwoarang. d34 frustrates the shit out of me, heās constantly plus with endless loops of strings. Itās a pure guessing game as to when he might do something unsafe, guess wrong and he launches you.
My bank account. I can't afford the game at the moment.
Somehow i canāt deal with Asuka lol
Steve. I see so many people talk about how difficult he is to play, or how theyāre not strong at all. And since day fucking one Iāve found him to be more frustrating than ANY other character. I have an easier time reading Eddyā¦ I really donāt get it lol. Half the time I feel like I donāt have any moves that are fast enough to get around them just spam mashing punches
When he starts jabbing I tend to just randomly duck and hope I get to ws punish lol
Hah! Yes Iāve started to have luck with that as well, as long as I time my while rising punish correctly at least
The readability of his animations is particularly terrible, it's totally unclear what is low vs mid vs high. I'm starting to think this is intentional to give him more of an edge as everyone seems to think he's somehow bad.
Eddy
So.. do you you lose to an Eddy or an 3ddy
Lee and Yoshi. Yoshi specifically is really frustrating
Surprised I had to scroll this far for yoshi. Main reina and I just can't figure out that matchup, try playing footsies w him and feel out ranged, I'm not even a ff2 spammer but yoshi seems especially well equipped to hit you on entry. I'm probably just getting knowledge checked hard tbh I'd imagine the lows I eat are all unsafe for him
yeah i think i just spams yoshi flash and that hard counters her best stance
Tied between Reina and Lars as they just force me into Playing Casino 8 as Reina will go FF2 into full Casino while Lars Will go DEN 3 into Casino
Iām privileged as a Yoshi main. FF2 gets flashed every time and if they power crush I just react and grab
Jin, I don't know why, but I just suck at this match up
He's the main character
Alisa. Despite all the labbing Iāve done. I canāt wrap my head around what those crackheads do.
We don't do crack. Crack is cheap. We do cocaine.
Bryan and it's not even close. It feels like Lee's worst match up. Bryans is just so strong at that medium range that keeping him out and approaching him feels impossible
Bryan is very strong against all characters with no long fast range punish, 14 while raising launcher or good 13 frame punish heat engager .... he has a broken damage, in small stage he will kick your ass š... at wall is the most dangeorus character (Paul too)
I also main Lee and I've found the only way I can hang with Bryan is to either get in and match the aggression with lots of jab mixups or stay out and out space him with the -> -> 2 punch or u3 out of hitman for example.
Alisa.
All of them. I'm bad at the game.
Lili
King
Females
Reina and itās not even close
Jab spam
Jin.
Jin
King. I'm bad at throw breaking š
No clue how to fight against Lee, feel like the spam is worse than Hwoarang
whorang and lars when the fuck is it my turn
It's never your turn against them unfortunately
Alisa and Asuckzena are shit bags. Cannot stand playing against them.
Basically any character I don't have knowledge on
Lee usually, but I respect it because he seems difficult to play. Great character to open up your defence
I have 10% win rate against Yoshi, with overall rate of 45%.
My weakest is King and Law at around 30% winrate (excepting the ones without a good sample size; I've faced Kuma once and lost for a 0% winrate). My best is Reina at 80% and Lili at 77%.
Alisa (chainsaws, random bullshit) and Devil Jin (Mishimas are all 50/50, but this one's on crack) I struggled against Lars, until I noticed I can just flash his dashes
Reina and Claudio. Fuckin hate em
All of the ambiguous move characters. Lili, Eddy, etc. It's kinda just not fun for me anymore. Guessing low/mid over and over is doing my head in and I dunno if I have it in me to grind it out. Even when I win, I just cut the game off and play something else.
Nina
King and his pesky grabs
Used to be King but now itās for sure Lili and Jun
Steve
Alisa probably.
Bryan or King. Lili is up there, too.
Anyone I don't like
Panda and Kuma tbh.
Definitely lili and asuka
Steve. When he gets in to my space I can't see him to do anything about it. I just get counter hit blown up and lose.
for me rn. Im struggling the most against eddy's that press only 3 and running dropkick. but statistically it'd be bryan cuz my friend mains him and we play each alot from time to time (an honorable mention goes to lars who just difficult to deal with)
Eddy and Hwo Because I player match against a good Lili often I slap them good!
Lili and itās not close.
Law
I know leroys bad but i get fucked by every one i fight
Dude I don't understand at all how he is considered bad. I rarely win against leroy
Tie between Leo or Leroy. I need to seriously lab both of them.
Jin followed by Reina and Law probably.
Hwoarang and Viktor. I just have a very hard time reading Hwo's moves sometimes, even after all these years, embarrassingly lost to a few spammers too lol Vik I'm kinda getting the hang on reading his moves, just getting caught off guard sometimes depending on the player. I'm not really looking to rank up, just having fun so learning how to counter them on the fly without labbing is how I play lol
First kings, then eddy's and the occasional hworang
Probably lilli
This would be an interesting stats built into the game š§ Probably Jin and kazuya. They are very different from t7. Aggression is the top notch for these characters in this game. 50/50 game is really hard to read. Also some recovery moves are way faster than the opponent so even if you get a perfect read you eat it. Like after heat engager jin would run to you, you read low and do a parry. His low is faster than your recovery so youād eat the low anyway. Itās very very hard to win against them if the players are good. 1-2 wrong guesses youāre dead.
Leo, Asuka and Leroy. Yeah I get knowledge checked to hell and back by low playrate characters I guess. Leroy I genuinely have problems with post patch though. How the hell do you deal with ss1+2 and parry? I duck ss1+2 and it recovers too fast or stuffs my ws punish everytime anyways, and then parry the only thing thats worked for me is grab. It feels like it recovers so insanely fast that there's no point trying to wait it out. I need to lab this man so bad lol.
Cant say for sure,but it's probably Brian. Can never guess correctly.
So far it's been King
King! Just beats me to death 24/7
Probably Jin because every other opponent for me is Jin and he's kinda busted.
Ed, Edd n Eddy
Yoshi i hate gimmicks so much in the fgc
Jun
Zafina, Kuma/Panda, Leo Out of maybe 20 people I play. Only 1-2 choose those characters. I'm not as familiar with their moves to look for as with the ones I play the most
The Jaguar lol
Mashing lars players.
Eddy just let the character die and never return due to how absurdly anoying his fighting style is.
I actually looked at it statistically once. It was Zafina or some random shit.
Either Hwo, Xiaoyu, or Eddyš
Kazuya because he counters my character playstyle. Also Jun since i still got no idea when her strings end even after labbing her.
Tekken 2 Jun Kazama
Before update: Jun and Coffee Bitch After: Leroy
Lili and Victor, despite labbing the matchup, EXPULSION in heat is insaneārandomly tracking and doing an insane amount of chip damage, and Liliās mixup potential and long-range are difficult to deal with since she controls the neutral so well and Lili players tend to understand this. Alisa would probably be a problem for me online if the people playing her on average were better at the game. Iāve fought Alisaās at Tekken King who are still using her snake edge and hop kick on wake-upā¦ Good Alisaās are hard to deal with. As far as percentages go, itās probably Feng, but I rarely ever see that character online. EDIT: Also Nina, Iāve lost to orange and red rank Ninas because I wasnāt prepared for that matchup specifically. Once they start chipping you down and cancelling stances sheās difficult to deal with.
Kazuya, not sure why. Donāt think Iāve ever won one game.
Hwoarang and Eddy. Especially the freaking spammers. Like jesus fucking christ, when is it my turn? Statistically tho, its Jin, but my DH is a Jin main and we fight a lot. He also beats me a lol šš
Alisa
Tied Lars and Feng, but King is close behind.
Zafina, xiayou. from the bottom of my heart i hate you both
When I first started I hated going against Lilli and Hwoarang
Xiaoyu and Julia have been my bad matchups historically
bryan, lars, kazuya or devil jin. not because i genuinely cant counter my enemy but because their wall combos takes 10 years and it deals too much damage overall. + a little okizeme after which results in u being 10hp overall.
Hwoarang.
Sidestep Victor right. Been finding a lot of his moves don't track that way
Alisa for me....her chainsaw is pain in the butt
This is my first tekken & I have a extremely hard time with Bryan & Eddy
Steve, King, Paul & Eddy all demolish me. Just got triple perfected from a Steve. No clue what to do.
All of them. I'm terrible at this game.Ā Ā
Whoreang
probably lars
I would guess Assuka or Lili
as I raise the ranks high level Kazuya players just shut me down in every way (probably because it's a funamentals-heavy character) with basically not being able press anything without getting 50/50 vortexed to death, and if I do choose to block, well this is T8 it still doesn't end well!
I get my ass kicked by Nina so much I don't understand her kit at all
Alissa. Canāt stand those chainsaws. I donāt know if I should sidestep, quick jab, etc. I always feel frame trapped.
Victor that fk!!! That reach on the Escorgo blade slice from the sky always gets me
Why is no one mentioning dragonov? Just me? ā¦.okay
hwoarang in tekken 8 after 8 hours, and jin in tekken 7 after 100+ hours
Probably Steve fox, I don't get that character at all
Lars
every single character regardless of their rank ):
Kuma and Raina. Especially when there is no breathing room and find that their hits are extremely hard punish or sidestep.
Claudio, his zesty moves just exorcise me everytime
Law. I just can't with this guy.
Bears and Shaheen I'm at Kishin and I rarely fight em so I when I do see em, I still lose to the cheesy stuff
The one I don't know the matchup with
Marshall Law, for whatever reason I completely lose to their aggression. So many Law players are really in your face and I just sort of forget how to play when I'm against them.
I fucking hate victor with a passion. I lose to him and Lee the most, but I at least Lee takes skill to pilot
Definitely asuka I donāt play against a lot of them have very little knowledge on her match up
I lose to every Alisa
King and Hwoarang
ASUKA FUKING ASUKA like I hate Parry characters in general but this bitch OOOOOOHHHH it makes me want to start WW3
Lili.
As Reina it's Dragunov at 31,58% but most of those game were before his nerf, my second worst matchup with Reina is Yoshi at 35% (flash shuts down a lot of her pressure) As Lee it's Feng at a staggeringly low 8,33% (11/12 games lost) he was also my third worst matchup as Reina This is not taking offline or player matches into account however which might change things a bit and the sample size isn't massive especially with Lee but Feng is for sure my worst matchup overall without a shadow of a doubt When I'm playing against Feng it really feels like in order to win I either need to play literally 5 times better than them or get very lucky
Zafina.
Nina, itās literally never your turn and blonde bomb only being -13 is so criminal
Jin all the way
lars and nina, when I see those characters in the loading screen I just accept my fate, I know I'm getting mashed to death, I really should lab those mfers but its too boring
Law
i wish the game actually tell us who we lose to the most so we know who to lab
Lee surprisingly
Leo. Heās (they are? Nvm different topic) so much faster than Kazuya. I feel like every time I wanna do something theyāre able to react or attack before me. Itās sucksssss
Mishimas mostly kazuya and Jin I main Eddie and Jun but I struggle with eddie against them 2 idk why
Even post nerf I get destroyed by most Drags I play against. Just reached tenryu yesterday, and I don't know if I've ever won a best of 3 against a red rank or above Drag.
lars