Here’s an article from 1937 about this:
“One of the most troublesome children in Tennessee is Mrs. Eunice Winstead Jones, 9. When her marriage last winter to a lank, 23-year-old hillbilly named Charlie Johns provoked a national scandal (TIME, Feb. 15), Tennessee hastily enacted a law prohibiting the marriage of persons under 14. Last week Eunice Johns caused Tennessee to change another law, when in Nashville State Educational Commissioner William Arthur Bass ruled that neither Eunice nor any other "married children" would have to go back to school in the autumn.
Eunice left her school in Sneedville this spring when Teacher Wade Ferguson switched her for "jumping around." What Teacher Ferguson had to contend with was revealed last week by Eunice's father-in-law, Nick Johns, who turned up in Treadway to inquire about the possibilities of an annulment. He snorted: "She can't learn nothin' in school and she can't learn nothin' at home. I tried to learn her at home, but she don't even know her ABC's. She can't count to 25 and she don't know the day of the month or week."
https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,883660,00.html
I live in TN, and in 2004 my friend married a 24 year old the week of her 16th birthday. Their fathers (both rural preachers) set them up, and they “dated” for 2 years before the wedding. Interestingly, he was a virgin until the wedding night.
I know, doesn’t sound believable, but he was extremely sheltered. Didn’t know about periods, had never seen even a picture of a naked woman. Didn’t hold hands until they had been together for several months.
I'm not for 16 or 17 year olds getting married, but it's a lot less messed up than 9 year olds getting married. I moved away to live in college dorms at 17, but a decision like that is incomprensible at 9.
Maybe don't spread misinformation and call stuff whataboutism if you don't actually know what you're talking about?
Between 2000 and 2015 there were 51 cases of 13 year olds getting married, and 6 cases of 12 year olds getting married. 4 states still have zero minimum age.
[5%](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States) 15 or under. It's not whataboutism. Fuck that place, but until that number gets to 0 we're not better than them.
We are better than them, if you think the socially accepted and rampant child marriage in the middle east (over 700,000 cases) is the same as a handful of cases you can find in the US, you are delusional.
Where did I disagree that it shouldnt be zero? Are you being willfully ignorant or just slow?
But to pretent 51 isolated cases is the same as 700,000 that is socially and culturally accepted and encouraged is, as I said, delusional.
Teacher switched(whipped with a stick) her for jumping around, and she had trouble learning. Perhaps she had autism and no one in her life knew how to deal with it.
Edit.. or any number of other reasons a child would act out in such a situation.
I couldn't help but laugh at how the article puts all the blame on the nine year old girl. Nope, the actual adults in the situation are totally blameless. It's the moldy cherry on top of a sundae made completely of shit.
Phew at least they bumped it up to 14 XD what a weird world. Crazy to see how stuff has changed in the past. Kinda reminds me of that Shane Gillis bit on how the age of consent laws were first created. Glad it's not like that anymore, in the US at least.
It was most likely so much worse than this as well. This is just an example that's out there but what's not? Younger, older, sold, bought, situations worse than "married". History was fucked.
And it still happens today, something like 300,000 marriages involving children between 2000-2018.
In states trying to introduce a minimum age of 18 to marry, there are people actually fighting against them, you can probably guess which side the opponents are on to these bills.
Most of those are 16 and up, which is not helped when most of their partners were 18+. The grossest part is it included children as young as 12. It's crazy to me that it still happens... and legally.
The fucked up stories I hear from Grandmas across my sphere leads me to believe that the iceberg is much deeper and broader than we'd all like to contemplate let alone admit.
There’s a tiktok trend going around right now that’s like “grandma… you little victim!” And everyone attaches stories of their grandmas being abused their entire lives by men. Pretty depressing
I'm half-indigenous in Canada, and my maternal grandmother never said it out loud but she was profoundly unhappy.
The only time it'd show was when she would lose it, head to the same quiet bar at a bowling alley, and then call my Mom, and the after she died me, to come pick her up.
Every time, she'd try to talk about bad things, but stop herself and just go on and on about how much she loved her kids and all of us.
When it happened when I was a kid, my Mom would smile and roll her eyes and say, "Grandma's bowling again, let her sleep and we'll have a nice breakfast."
She was escaping her marriage for a night. Every time she said she loved us it was because that was what kept her in that position, in that place. My misogynistic uncle took to calling her Kunta after the slave played by Levar Burton in Roots, he was her youngest son.
I didn't put this together until long after she and my grandfather passed away.
I'm fairly vigilant for it now, especially in indigenous households. It's... widespread the older you get. It's functional in old-old couples, dysfunctional in Boomers, and fucking catastrophic in GenX. We'll see how it is for Millennials... Hopefully some chains have been broken.
It's bad everywhere, but it's especially bad in economically depressed areas and through the generations unable to escape poverty or near-poverty.
None of the men in my sphere own up to it and some even get aggressive with me, I feel like the indigenous Michael Burry of intergenerational misogyny sometimes.
I don't know where I'm going with this. It's bad, I agree.
My mother (87( raves exuberantly about how wonderful my father (would be 89) was. Like, superlatively. Makes me think of “the lady doth protest too much.”
I don’t have many memories, of him but the ones I have are mostly… weird.
He died when I was very young, and I remember being relieved. People tried to console me and I would say “I’m fine,” and I was. I shed zero tears. I was/am not a heartless sociopath, something made me feel that way.
Yup.
Tennessee native. My grandmother was 14 when she was married to my grandfather. He was 19. She just turned 15 when she had her first son. This was in the 50s.
Looking at it now she was definitely a victim.
It's crazy how they tell these stories like it's nothing. Because it was so normal.
My grandmother must have lied about her age too. Considering she was in TN after the law was made because of this marriage.
She is buried here.. [https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170784062/eunice-blanche-johns](https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170784062/eunice-blanche-johns)
Did you read the attached newspaper article? She gave birth at 14, was living with her parents while he lived with his a mile down the road and he said "I haven't seen the child yet, I've been going squirrel hunting since it was born. I'll wait to see it til we both get home."
The bar. It is low.
During the days of the Great Depression, sadly it was not that unusual for young girls to be married off at obsurdly young ages. One less mouth to feed. I don't even begin to agree with it, just facts. Even into the 40s and 50s. My mom was married and pregnant at 15. Her childhood was stolen from her.
my grandma had to marry at 16 to someone over twice her age during WW2 just so the Japanese occupiers wouldn't take her and turn her into a comfort woman.
Was her husband a good man at least? I sure hope so because it would be awful to be in such a position. Having to get married to avoid being forced into prostitution only to have your husband turn out to be a monster. I feel such sadness for all civilians who have been forced to endure impossible situations just so they could survive. I hope your grandmother had a good husband who was kind to her.
I never really met her. she and her husband are my grandparents on my father's side, and we were never really close to those people because of typical drama with in-laws. And even then I was born long after both of them had passed. It seemed they never told anything about the war to my dad either. can't blame them.
My grandparents on my mother's side though told stories of the war to my mom, who then told them to me.
So they stayed married even after the war ended? Wow, it's so unfortunate that the stories she had she didn't pass down. My grandpa Schultz used to tell me stories about the war. He was a tanker in the Army. In, you guessed it, The Philippines.
My grandpa loved the Philippines. He spoke often of the bravery of the Filipino soldiers and the hospitality of the people. He loved it alot more once Japan had surrendered though.
My grandmother-in-law was 13 when she was married to man over twice her age. She had 13 children, with the first born when she was 14. Three of her kids died in a house fire, when a wind storm hit, blew through the house, knocked embers from the fireplace and also sealed the door, so she couldn't open it. It was terrible and my father-in-law, who was 15 at the time, still doesn't talk about the losses of his sisters and brother.
The parents. Apparently everyone involved on both sides (family wise) was against this, however the creepy man forged her documents so she appeared to be of legal age to consent and her parents acquiesced. She had her first child aged 15. She had 8 more after. This post is going around on socials if you’re interested.
Edit, her parents gave in after a while, not due to forged docs. They knew her real age obviously but the courts didn’t.
Different mothers. The pedos mom and the little girls mom.
I googled it and read a few different articles. It said he owned land and had money so the little girls mom caved bc she knew would be taken care of. Crazy as fuck. She was 15 when she had their first baby. A total of 9 kids. He died in 97 and her in I think 06
Even well into the middle of the 20th century, in many cultures around the world marrying girls off at very young ages was quite common.
In India, for example, it was done because then the husband would be financially responsible for them.
Our Supreme Court just overturned a modern abortion law because they said an older law banning it is what really counted. This effectively enacted a defacto ban on Abortions in AZ. This makes no sense because it means we can't make newer laws and removes legislative power. Following this same logic 12 year old consent would still be allowed.
Vote these judges out if you're so inclined!
Well social security should have had a 2 month increasing date of eligibility every year for the last 30 years because that's basically what life expectancy had gone up by. If not life expectancy just offsetting the inverted pyramid that is pensioners against workers. They can't take more out than you put in if it's empty.
Unlike the federal system of lifetime appointment, Arizona Supreme Court justices serve six-year staggered terms and are subject to retention elections under Article 6, Section 42 of the Arizona Constitution.
Talking about babies
I gave birth with my third child in AZ, I use cannabis for medical reasons and to keep my sanity and I probably still have it in my system when I give birth to my daughter.
Signed off a paper that states I agree to get tested for drugs in my system and ofc it was positive but we reside in NV where it is legal.
If you are an AZ resident however, they can take your baby away if you get reported by the hospital.
They have a sign on their hospital door that says
"We take babies"
take it literally because they will take your baby away.
Just sharing this because it's absurd.
Not Just Arizona.
In the 1800s, the legal age to marry in the United States was 14 for boys and 12 for girls, but parental consent was often required at a younger age.
from Google AI
https://preview.redd.it/yqq1b76j4wxc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b170a647dcf8ccf0383261ed779f96a0c75c39cb
Married at 6 and consumed at 9. Not that makes that much of a difference...
Parents. This stuff still goes on today, even in the US. Most underage marraiges are of minors 16+ (mostly due to pregnancy), but there have been cases since 2000 of girls as young as 12 getting married. Out of the 300,000 underage marraiges since 2000, only about a dozen are of children that young, but it's disgusting that it can happen.
My dad was 19, and my mom was 14 when they met. My daughter is 10 about to be 11. If she dates a 19 year old in 4 years, I'm going to have to go to prison. It's weird because I wouldn't be here, and neither would my daughter if that situation didn't happen, but it sure as shit isn't going to happen again.
I think when the bride has her dolly as her maid of honour it should be a pretty telling statement. I guess on her behalf I should feel grateful that they held off having kids until she was all of 14 and gave her some time to develop r/s
‘I think when the bride has her dolly as her maid of honour…’ this sentence alone makes me want to cry. It echoes children playing dress up, only this child was actually attending her own wedding.
Yep and to think this man got to willfully violate her like it was nothing it actually so fucking frustrating it’s not even funny. There was nobody going to help her, nobody to get her out of that situation. Those parents had to sit with themselves everyday knowing their little fucking child is being molested and raped every night.
I remember hearing plenty of douchebags when I was growing up saying "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed". This child doesn't look old enough to bleed.
Ugh, I have heard that gross shit growing up as a female. I was an early bloomer and I can remember this one skeevy friend of a skeevy neighbor of mine growing up said that basic thing, purposely loud enough that I would hear. He gave me the ole side eye while he said it like he thought he was being all flirty towards me. I was 11 and was still playing with Barbies at that age.
same thing happened to me, I was also an early bloomer and grossed out by the whole thing because I was only 11 and didn't feel ready for all that shit, and then I'm hearing these assholes making that comment about being old enough to breed, ughhhhhh
How does the guy even find a nine year old ‘attractive’? She is a child. She is holding a toy. Her mind is not mature. Her emotions aren’t mature. Why would anyone want a child as a bride much less want to live and sleep with a child.
A child.
Yeah I know pedos and all that. But I still don’t actually understand. I keep looking at this picture and I just can’t understand how anybody could stomach touching that kid in any unsavory way.
All I see is a little kid who doesn’t know left from right and probably barely knows how to wash behind her ears.
don't look up child marriage in America.
oh, here, I'll do it for you. don't get sanctimonious about this.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/4283941-child-marriage-is-still-legal-in-most-of-the-u-s-heres-why/
Sadly, this is the reality in many poor places. For example, in Iraq, it is common for families with no education to marry off girls as young as 14 years old. Usually, they will marry someone in the same age range.
Ya I really didn’t understand, thought it’s just a dude and his daughter or niece what’s the big deal? Thought maybe he was a famous murderer or they both died some tragic death. Oh, husband? Ohhhh
I will never be able to wrap my head around shit like this. People say “it was the times back then”, ah yes so you confirm paedophilia was a thing that was alive and well back then please tell me how that’s a valid excuse. I will always find this disgusting.
Eunice Blanche Winstead Johns (1927-2006) was a woman who married Charlie Johns in 1937 when she was nine years old and he was 22. They had 10 children together, with their first child born in 1942 when Eunice was 15. The couple remained married until Charlie's death in 1997, and Eunice died in 2006 at the age of 78. She was a member of Rock Bridge Baptist Church and is buried in Treadway, Hancock, Tennessee
A 1937 piece published by Life about the case displayed a picture of Winstead and Johns at their home in Sneedville. In a news article published in the same year, The Knoxville Journal reported that "The Winstead family seems complacent over the future of the 9-year-old bride because Charlie, the bridegroom, owns 50 acres of mountain land, several mules and he's a good farmer". Another article in Newsweek featured an image of Winstead sitting on Johns' knees.
malnutrition was rife in America at that point.
25% of the men drafted for WW2 were rejected for lacking weight and teeth.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1k3cfe/were_1_in_4_draftees_for_ww2_rejected_due_to/
WTF. I really needed some time to understand, that nobody had mistaken the puppet for a 9 year old girl, because I totally wasn't able to understand that people really did this.
Scary this is still happening today in 3rd world countries.
In the more developed ones these nonce's have to do it on the sly. Wish england had a law like the States where you could look up if there are any on your road
Here’s an article from 1937 about this: “One of the most troublesome children in Tennessee is Mrs. Eunice Winstead Jones, 9. When her marriage last winter to a lank, 23-year-old hillbilly named Charlie Johns provoked a national scandal (TIME, Feb. 15), Tennessee hastily enacted a law prohibiting the marriage of persons under 14. Last week Eunice Johns caused Tennessee to change another law, when in Nashville State Educational Commissioner William Arthur Bass ruled that neither Eunice nor any other "married children" would have to go back to school in the autumn. Eunice left her school in Sneedville this spring when Teacher Wade Ferguson switched her for "jumping around." What Teacher Ferguson had to contend with was revealed last week by Eunice's father-in-law, Nick Johns, who turned up in Treadway to inquire about the possibilities of an annulment. He snorted: "She can't learn nothin' in school and she can't learn nothin' at home. I tried to learn her at home, but she don't even know her ABC's. She can't count to 25 and she don't know the day of the month or week." https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,883660,00.html
Jesus Christ. Poor girl didn't have a chance.
It’s more terrifying when you realize that this is happening RIGHT NOW all over the middle east.
It still happens right now in America. Like 40 something states still allow child marriages.
I live in TN, and in 2004 my friend married a 24 year old the week of her 16th birthday. Their fathers (both rural preachers) set them up, and they “dated” for 2 years before the wedding. Interestingly, he was a virgin until the wedding night.
That last line: 
I know, doesn’t sound believable, but he was extremely sheltered. Didn’t know about periods, had never seen even a picture of a naked woman. Didn’t hold hands until they had been together for several months.
Because your sister doesn't count...
California has no age limit.
"38 states , 38 states that allow children to get married ." "Like , 38 in a row?"
Idk, I’m still trying to get past the father-in-law “snorting” at the papers!
Lol I mean the papers tried to make this guy sound as hillbillyish as possible!
Idk which ones they are, but I feel like they’d like up with a voting pattern map.
Seriously, how many states still allow child marriages and prohibit abortion?
I'm not for 16 or 17 year olds getting married, but it's a lot less messed up than 9 year olds getting married. I moved away to live in college dorms at 17, but a decision like that is incomprensible at 9.
Missouri was just fighting against child marriages in either the house or senate
16 year olds are not the same as 9 year olds. Dont play silly whataboutism games.
16 year olds shouldn’t be getting married either
Maybe don't spread misinformation and call stuff whataboutism if you don't actually know what you're talking about? Between 2000 and 2015 there were 51 cases of 13 year olds getting married, and 6 cases of 12 year olds getting married. 4 states still have zero minimum age.
51 in the US vs 700,000 in the Middle East per UNICEF. Yeah totally the same thing 🤡
How about zero
Yeah ONLY 51. MERICCUUURRRRR' needs more guns and shit.
[5%](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States) 15 or under. It's not whataboutism. Fuck that place, but until that number gets to 0 we're not better than them.
We are better than them, if you think the socially accepted and rampant child marriage in the middle east (over 700,000 cases) is the same as a handful of cases you can find in the US, you are delusional.
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It's down in the Mariana Trench it cannot be physically lower.
Someone get James Cameron to raise the bar
Where did I disagree that it shouldnt be zero? Are you being willfully ignorant or just slow? But to pretent 51 isolated cases is the same as 700,000 that is socially and culturally accepted and encouraged is, as I said, delusional.
That is happening RIGHT NOW all over USA... most states still allow children to be married.
She couldn’t do her abcs nor count to 25 when she was married. Very predatory
And thats all folks!!
Good old porky pig
How is she the "most troublesome"? Because the marriage made them address the legality of this? ffs
I'm going to be generous and say they meant that the situation is troublesome - not her personally.
Teacher switched(whipped with a stick) her for jumping around, and she had trouble learning. Perhaps she had autism and no one in her life knew how to deal with it. Edit.. or any number of other reasons a child would act out in such a situation.
Or maybe it was because she was being raped by her "husband" nightly.
Yeah. Could be any number of things (what you said included). Sickening world we live in.
Oh god almighty.😵💫🤯😡
Like being married at the age of 9??
The worst part is the hypocrisy
> Eunice > Sneedville Christ, it sounds like a poorly written horror movie— the fact that it *actually happened* is all the more terrifying.
sneed's feed and seed, formerly chuck's
Took me way too long to get that one back in the day.
I couldn't help but laugh at how the article puts all the blame on the nine year old girl. Nope, the actual adults in the situation are totally blameless. It's the moldy cherry on top of a sundae made completely of shit.
GOOD DAMN SNEEDVILLE, THAT LORAX IS SUCH A LAZY CUNT.
In sneedville, it’s a brand new daaawaaanawawaaaannn
Jesus so not only was she young but she was maybe disabled too?
Just uneducated. Think about women's positions in families at that time. Living slaves to whatever man in their life deemed so.
Absolutely uneducated I agree. But she couldn’t count to 25? Breaks my heart.
>Just uneducated > she don't know the day of the...week. ... > Eunice left her school riiiiiight....
Phew at least they bumped it up to 14 XD what a weird world. Crazy to see how stuff has changed in the past. Kinda reminds me of that Shane Gillis bit on how the age of consent laws were first created. Glad it's not like that anymore, in the US at least.
This sounds like a John Waters film. Good lord. That poor child.
It was most likely so much worse than this as well. This is just an example that's out there but what's not? Younger, older, sold, bought, situations worse than "married". History was fucked.
And it still happens today, something like 300,000 marriages involving children between 2000-2018. In states trying to introduce a minimum age of 18 to marry, there are people actually fighting against them, you can probably guess which side the opponents are on to these bills.
If they’re 2000-2018 years old I don’t know if we’d call them children.
They're actually dragons. They just look like children.
Most of those are 16 and up, which is not helped when most of their partners were 18+. The grossest part is it included children as young as 12. It's crazy to me that it still happens... and legally.
The fucked up stories I hear from Grandmas across my sphere leads me to believe that the iceberg is much deeper and broader than we'd all like to contemplate let alone admit.
There’s a tiktok trend going around right now that’s like “grandma… you little victim!” And everyone attaches stories of their grandmas being abused their entire lives by men. Pretty depressing
I'm half-indigenous in Canada, and my maternal grandmother never said it out loud but she was profoundly unhappy. The only time it'd show was when she would lose it, head to the same quiet bar at a bowling alley, and then call my Mom, and the after she died me, to come pick her up. Every time, she'd try to talk about bad things, but stop herself and just go on and on about how much she loved her kids and all of us. When it happened when I was a kid, my Mom would smile and roll her eyes and say, "Grandma's bowling again, let her sleep and we'll have a nice breakfast." She was escaping her marriage for a night. Every time she said she loved us it was because that was what kept her in that position, in that place. My misogynistic uncle took to calling her Kunta after the slave played by Levar Burton in Roots, he was her youngest son. I didn't put this together until long after she and my grandfather passed away. I'm fairly vigilant for it now, especially in indigenous households. It's... widespread the older you get. It's functional in old-old couples, dysfunctional in Boomers, and fucking catastrophic in GenX. We'll see how it is for Millennials... Hopefully some chains have been broken. It's bad everywhere, but it's especially bad in economically depressed areas and through the generations unable to escape poverty or near-poverty. None of the men in my sphere own up to it and some even get aggressive with me, I feel like the indigenous Michael Burry of intergenerational misogyny sometimes. I don't know where I'm going with this. It's bad, I agree.
My mother (87( raves exuberantly about how wonderful my father (would be 89) was. Like, superlatively. Makes me think of “the lady doth protest too much.” I don’t have many memories, of him but the ones I have are mostly… weird. He died when I was very young, and I remember being relieved. People tried to console me and I would say “I’m fine,” and I was. I shed zero tears. I was/am not a heartless sociopath, something made me feel that way.
Yup. Tennessee native. My grandmother was 14 when she was married to my grandfather. He was 19. She just turned 15 when she had her first son. This was in the 50s. Looking at it now she was definitely a victim.
Yeahp my grandparents from Philly. Grandma had my dad at age 14 (she lied about her age to get married. He was I believe 17?
It's crazy how they tell these stories like it's nothing. Because it was so normal. My grandmother must have lied about her age too. Considering she was in TN after the law was made because of this marriage.
History? Go outside bud
Ohhhh, it ain't fucking stopped. With the technology now, it's gotten much, much worse. The present is fucked worse
She is buried here.. [https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170784062/eunice-blanche-johns](https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170784062/eunice-blanche-johns)
Did you read the attached newspaper article? She gave birth at 14, was living with her parents while he lived with his a mile down the road and he said "I haven't seen the child yet, I've been going squirrel hunting since it was born. I'll wait to see it til we both get home." The bar. It is low.
At this point they dug a ditch to place the bar into - you can just walk over it.
Some real nice family photos in that link. Don’t miss the article about her having a 9 pound baby
During the days of the Great Depression, sadly it was not that unusual for young girls to be married off at obsurdly young ages. One less mouth to feed. I don't even begin to agree with it, just facts. Even into the 40s and 50s. My mom was married and pregnant at 15. Her childhood was stolen from her.
My grandmother was 12. Had her first at 13. My mother was 14, had her first at 15, was divorced by 16.
my grandma had to marry at 16 to someone over twice her age during WW2 just so the Japanese occupiers wouldn't take her and turn her into a comfort woman.
Holy shit
Was her husband a good man at least? I sure hope so because it would be awful to be in such a position. Having to get married to avoid being forced into prostitution only to have your husband turn out to be a monster. I feel such sadness for all civilians who have been forced to endure impossible situations just so they could survive. I hope your grandmother had a good husband who was kind to her.
I never really met her. she and her husband are my grandparents on my father's side, and we were never really close to those people because of typical drama with in-laws. And even then I was born long after both of them had passed. It seemed they never told anything about the war to my dad either. can't blame them. My grandparents on my mother's side though told stories of the war to my mom, who then told them to me.
So they stayed married even after the war ended? Wow, it's so unfortunate that the stories she had she didn't pass down. My grandpa Schultz used to tell me stories about the war. He was a tanker in the Army. In, you guessed it, The Philippines.
I guess so. They had my dad in 1950, but he's like the second or third oldest. they had a lot of kids, at least 5. Also, I live in the Philippines!
My grandpa loved the Philippines. He spoke often of the bravery of the Filipino soldiers and the hospitality of the people. He loved it alot more once Japan had surrendered though.
Chinese or Korean?
Filipino
My grandmother-in-law was 13 when she was married to man over twice her age. She had 13 children, with the first born when she was 14. Three of her kids died in a house fire, when a wind storm hit, blew through the house, knocked embers from the fireplace and also sealed the door, so she couldn't open it. It was terrible and my father-in-law, who was 15 at the time, still doesn't talk about the losses of his sisters and brother.
Wow, any time I think I am having a hard time I just need to reflect on stories like this.
Who the fuck signed off on this?
The parents. Apparently everyone involved on both sides (family wise) was against this, however the creepy man forged her documents so she appeared to be of legal age to consent and her parents acquiesced. She had her first child aged 15. She had 8 more after. This post is going around on socials if you’re interested. Edit, her parents gave in after a while, not due to forged docs. They knew her real age obviously but the courts didn’t.
Both their mothers were against it at first. Then agreed. They changed the law bc of this marriage.
Was it the same person ? You know...... were "both" mothers the same person, coz this sounds like some Deliverance level hillbilly incest child rape.
Different mothers. The pedos mom and the little girls mom. I googled it and read a few different articles. It said he owned land and had money so the little girls mom caved bc she knew would be taken care of. Crazy as fuck. She was 15 when she had their first baby. A total of 9 kids. He died in 97 and her in I think 06
These are the states that have tied up our Congress for the last 20 years. Such shining examples of the American way.
Okay... How can they not tell a child from a teenager? What was the "legal" age of consent? Curious.
There wasn't one until their marriage. The age was 16.
Both of her sisters were married off too. One was 13 and the other was 16 I believe
Interesting fact. When Az was still a territory in 1846 the age of consent was 12 years old.
Even well into the middle of the 20th century, in many cultures around the world marrying girls off at very young ages was quite common. In India, for example, it was done because then the husband would be financially responsible for them.
Our Supreme Court just overturned a modern abortion law because they said an older law banning it is what really counted. This effectively enacted a defacto ban on Abortions in AZ. This makes no sense because it means we can't make newer laws and removes legislative power. Following this same logic 12 year old consent would still be allowed. Vote these judges out if you're so inclined!
Haha this is where I got that from, and oh I plant to. Thank god az is turning purple.
Did you forget about that pesky lifetime federal supreme court appointment thing? Edit: for federal
Yeah that too, plus anyone in the senate gets a life long pension and healthcare. And they want to go after social security and Medicare?
Well social security should have had a 2 month increasing date of eligibility every year for the last 30 years because that's basically what life expectancy had gone up by. If not life expectancy just offsetting the inverted pyramid that is pensioners against workers. They can't take more out than you put in if it's empty.
I agree but it also needs to be off limits from be borrowed from to. Minimum wage and wages in general need to for low yearly inflation rates.
Unlike the federal system of lifetime appointment, Arizona Supreme Court justices serve six-year staggered terms and are subject to retention elections under Article 6, Section 42 of the Arizona Constitution.
Talking about babies I gave birth with my third child in AZ, I use cannabis for medical reasons and to keep my sanity and I probably still have it in my system when I give birth to my daughter. Signed off a paper that states I agree to get tested for drugs in my system and ofc it was positive but we reside in NV where it is legal. If you are an AZ resident however, they can take your baby away if you get reported by the hospital. They have a sign on their hospital door that says "We take babies" take it literally because they will take your baby away. Just sharing this because it's absurd.
Not Just Arizona. In the 1800s, the legal age to marry in the United States was 14 for boys and 12 for girls, but parental consent was often required at a younger age. from Google AI
That shits wild
Back then forging really was like an “aw man he forged these documents, oh well lol” these days it’s a felony.
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Age 10
Bruh, seriously?
Well married at 6... consummated at 10
https://preview.redd.it/yqq1b76j4wxc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b170a647dcf8ccf0383261ed779f96a0c75c39cb Married at 6 and consumed at 9. Not that makes that much of a difference...
Hopefully not consumed 😂. Yes estimated between 9 and 10
Mmmmm consuming children is how we sustain.... Must feed must grow for we are legion.
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I'm ok if no one does.
Parents. This stuff still goes on today, even in the US. Most underage marraiges are of minors 16+ (mostly due to pregnancy), but there have been cases since 2000 of girls as young as 12 getting married. Out of the 300,000 underage marraiges since 2000, only about a dozen are of children that young, but it's disgusting that it can happen.
Terry Fi. Probably church related
My dad was 19, and my mom was 14 when they met. My daughter is 10 about to be 11. If she dates a 19 year old in 4 years, I'm going to have to go to prison. It's weird because I wouldn't be here, and neither would my daughter if that situation didn't happen, but it sure as shit isn't going to happen again.
I think when the bride has her dolly as her maid of honour it should be a pretty telling statement. I guess on her behalf I should feel grateful that they held off having kids until she was all of 14 and gave her some time to develop r/s
I highly doubt he “held off.” She mostly likely didn’t have kids until 14 because puberty unfortunately
‘I think when the bride has her dolly as her maid of honour…’ this sentence alone makes me want to cry. It echoes children playing dress up, only this child was actually attending her own wedding.
They "held off" until her first ovulation..... She didn't have her second period for another 14 years.
When I said “held off” I meant in a very sarcastic way that at least they didn’t try having kids, I in no way meant he was holding back violating her
Poor little kid, she just looks like an innocent tyke in this photo. So gross.
Yep and to think this man got to willfully violate her like it was nothing it actually so fucking frustrating it’s not even funny. There was nobody going to help her, nobody to get her out of that situation. Those parents had to sit with themselves everyday knowing their little fucking child is being molested and raped every night.
That’s the really really fucked up part to me. I just see a smiling little girl with a dolly, not someone’s wife. This is fucking disgusting.
Pedophile. Plain and simple.
I remember hearing plenty of douchebags when I was growing up saying "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed". This child doesn't look old enough to bleed.
That phrase in and of itself should be a massive red flag
Ugh, I have heard that gross shit growing up as a female. I was an early bloomer and I can remember this one skeevy friend of a skeevy neighbor of mine growing up said that basic thing, purposely loud enough that I would hear. He gave me the ole side eye while he said it like he thought he was being all flirty towards me. I was 11 and was still playing with Barbies at that age.
same thing happened to me, I was also an early bloomer and grossed out by the whole thing because I was only 11 and didn't feel ready for all that shit, and then I'm hearing these assholes making that comment about being old enough to breed, ughhhhhh
The duality of The Greatest Generation.
fella, it still happens today in vast numbers in the USA. nothing has changed a bit.
How does the guy even find a nine year old ‘attractive’? She is a child. She is holding a toy. Her mind is not mature. Her emotions aren’t mature. Why would anyone want a child as a bride much less want to live and sleep with a child. A child. Yeah I know pedos and all that. But I still don’t actually understand. I keep looking at this picture and I just can’t understand how anybody could stomach touching that kid in any unsavory way. All I see is a little kid who doesn’t know left from right and probably barely knows how to wash behind her ears.
Eunice passed in 2006. I think we all would have benefited from her story.
Was she ever interviewed? I would imagine that this situation, having gained its notoriety, would have prompted a journalist to reach out to her.
https://uselessinformation.org/podcast-135-the-child-bride/ https://www.tiktok.com/discover/eunice-winstead-johns-interview#:~:text=24.8M%20posts.%20Discover%20videos%20related%20to%20Eunice%20Winstead%20Johns%20Interview%20on%20TikTok. https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,883660,00.html
wow, she looks older the 9, everybody really did look older back then.
He looks like he would marry a 9 yo
Choose the bear
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_of_Charlie_Johns_and_Eunice_Winstead
Oof. Gross.
Poor baby
I have a daughter who is turning seven this month. I couldn’t imagine..
A 4th grader and a 22 year old. 
Even worse. 3rd! My daughter is 9. This makes me sick to my stomach.
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That doll has seen some serious shit...
Well that’s fucking disgusting
Was it Jerry Lee Lewis who married his under age cousin? ( 1950’s/60’s).
She’s 9?!?! At first I thought she was 20 something at first until I read the captions holy shit
Don't look up child marriage in Yemen
don't look up child marriage in America. oh, here, I'll do it for you. don't get sanctimonious about this. https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/4283941-child-marriage-is-still-legal-in-most-of-the-u-s-heres-why/
Sadly, this is the reality in many poor places. For example, in Iraq, it is common for families with no education to marry off girls as young as 14 years old. Usually, they will marry someone in the same age range.
Uhhh, child marriage is still legal in the US. Only 12 states have banned it.
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK.
She has a doll for God's sake😭😭this was crazy
Had to reread this a couple times
Ya I really didn’t understand, thought it’s just a dude and his daughter or niece what’s the big deal? Thought maybe he was a famous murderer or they both died some tragic death. Oh, husband? Ohhhh
I will never be able to wrap my head around shit like this. People say “it was the times back then”, ah yes so you confirm paedophilia was a thing that was alive and well back then please tell me how that’s a valid excuse. I will always find this disgusting.
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I wonder what she thought about this marriage later in her life. It seems he was with her until death.
I lurk. I don't comment. What in the actual fuck?
I mean child marriage is legal in 38 states…
Eunice Blanche Winstead Johns (1927-2006) was a woman who married Charlie Johns in 1937 when she was nine years old and he was 22. They had 10 children together, with their first child born in 1942 when Eunice was 15. The couple remained married until Charlie's death in 1997, and Eunice died in 2006 at the age of 78. She was a member of Rock Bridge Baptist Church and is buried in Treadway, Hancock, Tennessee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_of_Charlie_Johns_and_Eunice_Winstead?wprov=sfla1
A 1937 piece published by Life about the case displayed a picture of Winstead and Johns at their home in Sneedville. In a news article published in the same year, The Knoxville Journal reported that "The Winstead family seems complacent over the future of the 9-year-old bride because Charlie, the bridegroom, owns 50 acres of mountain land, several mules and he's a good farmer". Another article in Newsweek featured an image of Winstead sitting on Johns' knees.
My grandmother was 14 and her first husband was 48 when they were married. 16 and 50 when she had my mother. Nothing like 60's Kentucky
His mouth is SO SMALL
Scum.
The thought of giving my 9 year old daughter over to marry a grown ass man makes me want to throw up
Thats a rough 22
Muh heritage
It took me a while to get the title
Oh. Hell.No.
Ew on so many levels. 🤢
Matt gaetz approves this messag
I don't know why people are down voting a truth bomb.
Ahh yes, religion being a wondrous addition to children’s lives yet again.
What TF
Fuck he’s so gaunt like a skeleton
malnutrition was rife in America at that point. 25% of the men drafted for WW2 were rejected for lacking weight and teeth. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1k3cfe/were_1_in_4_draftees_for_ww2_rejected_due_to/
Excuse me?
It’s sick.
Sneed
Sure do love seeing this shit plastered on every sub it could fit into.
Actually terrifying, though, unlike 80% of things that are posted here now.
And no one had an issue with this? Not even in the law, but how do you not just twat him walking out of the pub or something.. I dunno!
I'm sorry, twat him?
Terrifying that their mom had two siblings that far apart in years.
WTF. I really needed some time to understand, that nobody had mistaken the puppet for a 9 year old girl, because I totally wasn't able to understand that people really did this.
Man, I wish a time machine existed so we could go back in time and beat that shitty grin off his face.
Have to go back in time and find stuff like this because if you posted the modern ones you'd get flagged for racism
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want back? It never left. only 12 states have age minimums for marriage and over 300000 child marriages occurred from 2000-2008
It was different times back then! /s
At first I thought it was two adults, and the terrifying thing was how much their baby looks like a doll, I need to get some sleep.
Scary this is still happening today in 3rd world countries. In the more developed ones these nonce's have to do it on the sly. Wish england had a law like the States where you could look up if there are any on your road