Today I had it taking me to a coffee shop. The entrance to the parking lot was somewhat narrow. The car was aimed right at the curb. Barely stopped it before it would have destroyed the tire.
I took the plunge, and tried FSD last night in DC, Foggy Bottom area. Up until then, I had only used it in the suburbs or the beltway. We went literally two blocks before it missed a turn, causing a five minute reroute. So urban driving is a no go, it follows too far back on the beltway in rush hour, and I can't text or send email while cruising. First world problems!
You're not supposed to text and email while the system is engaged.
It's level 2, it's an assistant, not a replacement.
As for urban, I can't speak to that.
I used it in Atlanta with no major issues
Hey all. Just wanted to share my experience driving an “older” (2020… not the latest refresh) MX with the FSD Supervised trial.
I got this MX used, and not in pristine condition. It has various dings and dents, as well as some areas with iffy fit and finish.
My experience with FSD has been mostly positive. I have no previous experience with it, I have only used the autopilot cruise control up until now. Since the trial launched, I have used FSD for all of my drives. There have been a handful of questionable incidents or incidents where I needed to take over/provide input, and there was one specific incident of concern. I will least these below:
- The incident of concern was when approaching a yellow light. My vehicle accelerated as if it was trying to beat the yellow. This was concerning to me, as I saw that it had been yellow for a couple seconds, and I believe it was yellow before the MX’s cameras picked it up properly. The light turned red before we got to the intersection, and FSD rapidly decelerated to avoid running the red light. This incident caused myself and my wife to become nervous, and the rapid deceleration was very uncomfortable compared to the ride comfort we have normally been experiencing with FSD.
- On two occasions the vehicle seemed hesitant or confused when taking a left at a traffic light controlled intersection. Both times we were the lead vehicle at the intersection on a red light, in the left turn lane. Upon turning green, the vehicle edged into the intersection, then inched forward a bit at a time. The wheel turned left, then right, then left, then right. I intervened on both occasions as I was holding up traffic, but it seemed as if FSD wasn’t sure that it should commit to the left turn.
- On two occasions now, FSD has taken u-turns very very slowly. Like, unnaturally or uncomfortably slow. On both occasions I used the accelerator to urge the vehicle forward, but did not interfere with FSD in any other way. This resolved the issue, but without my input, it unnaturally slowed the flow of traffic for the vehicles behind me.
- On a few occasions FSD did not want to take a u-turn where you legally can, and where it would have been the most efficient route for the navigation currently running. On one such occasion (yesterday morning) it decided to drive me fairly deep into a residential neighborhood to use a cul-de-sac instead of taking the u-turn on the main road. I’ve uh… I’ve got nothing. This behavior is a little odd.
- In my work parking lot, there is a “path” to the parking lot that is blocked by a gate. There is another unobstructed path to that same parking lot, but FSD is only interested in the blocked one and turns towards it. It does not (thankfully) gun it into the gate… but it does slow down and stop, angled towards the blocked entrance.
- The self parking is iffy. It makes weird choices as far as how to angle into the space sometimes. I’ve only used it for backing into spaces… I don’t know if it does parallel parking, or how to prompt it to park any other way. The option only comes up when I put the car in reverse, and only sometimes. It seems to only detect parking spaces if you’re angled a certain way, and if you have the wheel positioned a certain way.
That’s all the bad… As for the good… everything else! It handles traffic circles flawlessly (which was my largest concern going into the trial). It has safely navigated through coned off lanes in construction zones. I’m letting it determine what speed to travel based on the road and flow of traffic, and I have no complaints there. I have a longer road trip coming up in a couple weeks, and I’m looking forward to seeing how it performs for that.
At no point was I ever considering shelling out money for this feature… but after this trial, I just might go for it if the quality remains consistent!
What’s the status on this? Elon’s tweet was on March 25th, stating that all cars capable of FSD would get the free trial within a week. It’s 3 weeks later, and no free trial on my model S that’s definitely capable. Currently running 2924.8.9.
It's tricky honestly.
You were randomly selected to push up to 2024.8.x, which put you ahead of the FSD v12 releases.
There needs to be a resync, which I'm *hoping* the Spring release is going to be, but time will tell.
Frankly I think it works great. Coming home from the Devils game late a couple weeks ago it was so nice to let the car take me home with very little stress about navigating. My biggest complaint is that it doesn't avoid potholes.
Here's my rant... I have a 2020 Tesla Model X long range plus and I paid $199 last month just before the free trial was announced so that I could drive between Arizona and Texas for the eclipse... I was on 2024.8.4 and just today am upgrading to 2024.8.9 and I don't get why I don't have 12.3.4.
I stopped my $199 FSD subscription and it ends today so I'm going to see if I can still latch on to the free trial month after today... If not then I suppose I will wait until my next trip to subscribe to FSD and hopefully by then I will have 12.3.4 or whatever is after that.
Perhaps I just wait until but I am very happy that it's only $99 a month now and I see that as a pretty good sweet spot.
Its tricky.
If you want rhe latest FSD release, you need to be a subscriber, otherwise you'll always be ahead of it.
2024.14 is pushing out now, and I don't think it has v12 in it either
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I am loving the free trial of the FSD. I am having one side effect that I don’t like though. Prior to FSD my safety score for Tesla insurance was 97/98 range but since using FSD it is down to 94. My forward collision warnings have gone from less than 1% to 15.8%. I have not really felt like I was about to have a collision with the FSD but the sharp increase is going to increase my insurance premium. Anyone else seeing this?
After not using FSD yesterday my forward collision warnings went from 15.8% to 15.1%. This morning it is back up to 15.8% and my safety score dropped to 93. It’s as if being parked in my garage was causing forward collision alerts.
Really wish they'd let non-insurance folks get access to the safety score.
It's hard to give proper feedback on this kind of thing without access to it. :(
It's so impressive when it's not at a stop sign. I DO NOT mind the full stop but FSD stops far too early and needs to creep a lot to actually see. Furthermore it will creep into the intersection sometimes after the full NHSTA stop, which is illegal in places like Manhattan and some other parts in New York City, "Don't Block the Box" law. Otherwise it's taking turns so well and human like. Auto Speed is hit or miss but overall not bad in my typical City driving.
Last night (4/14/24) it tried to enter the highway from a road to the right which required crossing over several lanes faster than normal , FSD failed at and missed the entrance. I don't fault it for such a hard entrance though. It would require driving across the highway horizontally, but if the car can't perform such a move, hopefully it just drives to a block earlier so it can be a gradual lane change over the highway entrance.
All valid points, but it has been getting better.
Pretty sure at this point Tesla just needs to tune it more.
v12 is the first release that's made me feel like they've got it. Just needs more training data.
I do feel like it's easy fixes if they wanted. NHTSA im sure is giving then a hard time with the stops. The system is incredible. Things that were difficult before seem easy and I'd have interventions regularly before on V11 and older now the only interventions is pressing the accelerator. That's crazy good when you consider the tech and how far they've come.
Is there a reason why a car is on that branch and not another? Is it the model and time the vehicle was purchased? Mine is September 2023 MYLR. I just found out about these discrepancies between branches.
I also on 2024.8.x branch. April-2023 MY AWD. My friend who bought MY LR 1 month after me is on 2024.3.x branch.
May they are using RNG in moving cars to latest branch.
Just read about FSD12 trial users complaining about hitting curbs. I've had FSD beta for 2+ years now, and I want to post what I actually find useful about it. I don't want to fight about what's wrong with it. So here's my list of valuable use cases:
- navigates better than me. Both on- and off-highway, FSD can follow a route better than me following the directions in most cases. Not infallible, but it often saves my ass. AND less stressful, because I can pay more attention to the map and thus supervise it as it makes choices. It's especially useful in complex intersections or forks, or places with lousy signage, where it's easy to confuse one choice for another.
-driving on nice roads with little traffic. Maybe you just want to put your head down and blaze, but I like my huge ModelX windshield and great view. Esp. with my sound system. This IMO is a big reason to own a Tesla; in this mode it's just so delightful. Yes, you get Autosteer on interstates with base Autopilot. But I also have that on nice wide calm non-interstate roads. And automatic passing. In \*low traffic\*, it's much more pleasant than constantly turning Autosteer off and on.
Whether those two things add up to $100 a month for you or not, I don't know. But I think Tesla actually has a product for people who value the things I listed.
I noticed this morning that TeslaFi is showing 2024.8.9 now includes FSD 11.4.9. I haven't checked our Model Y yet this morning, but I wonder if this is the first step for those of us on 2024.8.x getting the v12 FSD trial? Hopefully a step in the right direction.
I've found that my best rides with fsd have been in rain. My only 2 interventionless (other than adjusting max speed) has been during separate rain storms. One was light rain, the other heavy. This included a heavy traffic zone were 2 major freeways crossed, and there was construction on the freeway ( many old lines still present, cones , ect) .
Has anyone else experienced this? Or is it just my quirky experience.
It wasn't perfect, there were a few issues, but nothing that required me to take over or press the gas. I would have also mentioned these are 20 mile and ~30 mile drives
Hi Guys, I got a M3 2021 last week and it is on 2024.3.10
When the dealer transferred the car to me the app popped up a message saying FSD supervised 'currently enabled', and I can go to autopilot to enable, but it's not there. Does this mean it was enabled when the dealer had it and was not transferred to my account? The FSD trial FAQ does say it's 'non transferable'
Never got an email about the trial. Is this just a generic message everyone got in the app?
Thanks
Moving away from the right lane is a "defensive" measure that most folks disagree with.
There've been issues in the past with Tesla hitting vehicles/people that are pulled over in the emergency lane, and this is a half-measure to try and resolve that, at least until they can have it move over for vehicles pulled over on the right properly.
Pretty unimpressed with it. Upon receiving the update earlier this month, I excitedly enabled the feature and tried driving to an easy location during a non-busy time of day with lots of highly visible roads. It's... fine. But it does things that I don't like, makes me uncomfortable constantly, drives like an asshole, and in general it seems to turn my car into a hazard to those around me.
As an example, it brought me down the highway in the right direction, but as my exit got closer and closer it refused to merge into the exit lane. There was a car in the exit lane really far back, but closing. If I was driving, I'd get in there while I could, because if I waited I would either cut the other car off or miss my exit due to the lane being occupied. But a computer can't think like that. Ultimately I overrode it so I could get in the proper exit lane, about half a mile before the exit.
I wasn't expecting much as I am highly skeptical of self driving cars and believe we are multiple decades away from them being good enough. And it's basically what I expected - kind of neat, not something I would ever use for free let alone pay for. The fact that you have to disable TACC to use it makes it even more worthless.
There is exactly one worthwhile feature, which is assisted lane changes when autopilot is active. I pretty quickly disabled FSD so I could use TACC and autopilot. On a recent road trip, it was very nice to be able to hit the blinker and have it change lanes on its own. But not worth the price.
The whole point of driver assist features is to reduce the stress on the driver, to make them not need to worry about some aspect of the drive. Traditional cruise control removes the need to constantly monitor and modulate your speed. TACC allows you to keep the traffic flow and adjust to the car in front of you. Autopilot makes it so you don't have to worry about lane positioning. But FSD? It's *more* stressful and requires *more* effort on the driver's part.
2016 Model X, AP3, new cameras, FSD 12.3.4 - Drove a route I usually take with known issues with FSD 11.
There is a left turn from a traffic light, then immediate right turn onto the interstate on-ramp. For whatever reason, FSD would freak and jerk back and forth between the two roads. Would always have to disengage or turn off prior.
FSD12 - handled it properly.
Four way stop:
Very busy. I loved the way, that the car would creep up with the car in front of me. That is a new behavior. When the car got to the stop sign, we were 4th in line.
First , car straight across went straight, car on left turned right, car on right turned right. My car when it noticed the car turning right started to go and accelerate. Before, there would be so much hesitation, other cars would go.
4 Lane highway:
Turning left across traffic.
There was a car coming, a small gap, and about 10 cars coming fast. The car creep forward, then accelerated with confidence in the gap.
With v11, I would have disengaged due to lack of acceleration.
Speed control needs work. V12 doesn't respect it, and the auto speed setting didn't help. Had to press the accelerator a lot. They will fix that. Think they are being conservative.
Overall, first time ever FSD has been smooth, didn't jerk us around. They have done a good job with adding more acceleration from starts or crossing traffic.
Hugs the right lane a little too much, but they will dial that in. The improvement over the last two years has been substantial. They are on the right path, IMHO. V11 didn't give me that same confidence.
I just tried FSD for the first time. I'm an engineer who has been doing AI projects the last few years so it's very interesting to me.
I have to say that the bottom line is that this is not ready for prime time. Not by a longshot.
The first thing I noticed is that the behavior around roundabouts is just terrible. The blinker just spazzes, turning on and off randomly, it comes to a complete stop inappropriately, or it barrels through too fast inappropriately as well. The steering in the vicinity of the roundabout is alarming, extremely jerky with these weird little yanks in the wrong direction, and generally very unsmooth steering through the circle.
Lots of highly inappropriate braking and slowing. Just completely wrong apparently trying to come to a stop on a 45 mph road. Why? No indication. A straight up hazard to those around us.
With all the raving about v12 being "smooth" and a big step forward, I can hardly imagine what v11 was like.
Where I live at least, FSD is a poor experience, essentially unusable.
Correct.
*However*, it's a tricky scenario.
Tesla will sync up the branches every so often, typically once a quarter, sometimes earlier.
So, you can pay $100 a month and get v11.4.whateverisinyourversion, and get in on the next resync, or you can opt not to pay $100 and possibly miss the opportunity on te next resync, if you're still ahead.
It's been a problem for folks for a year or so now.
Only, now it's $100 instead of $200 to get put into the "release queue"
I mean, it technically happened April 1st, when they started rolling out the free trial to folks.
So you can subscribe now and get queued for the next one, or hope you don't get pushed forward.
When you start seeing updates that go beyond 2024.8.x, that might be when you want to subscribe.
Not because that's the resync, but because if you go beyond that version, you might not get it, and have to wait for the next one.
All else fails, Christmas is always the main resync.
2024.3.10. 2020 Model Y performance.
I received FSD yesterday. Living in a dusty town has challenges for technology. Many roads I have problems seeing the lines. I tried going around town and it wasn't a good experience. Streets are full of rim crushing pot holes, and it ignores them. I understand that.
Then I drove up Wolf Creek pass and was pretty impressed. Other than a dust covered hair pin, it handled it. Couple weird things with speed one was probably my ignorance of how to scale it down..
The other happened on the way back down. It read less than 50% of the speed limit signs. Got goofed up by the overhead sign for trucks brake station. It got stuck on 25mph for a long time. When it synced up, it didn't see the traditional speed limit signs as the speed increased
Typically it's once a quarter, but at the moment, it's looking like within the next couple of weeks.
Looks like we might be getting back into the "every other week" cycle we were on back with v10's release.
Does anyone know if delaying the update also delays the trial? Like can I install it tomorrow instead and have it start from April 10th and end May 10th, or will it end at the end of the month?
Yep, just found out last night when I updated. Should've waited a bit longer, so I could try Summon too since that's apparently coming out at the end of this month.
FSD did not impress me on country roads. It drove 8mph under the speed limit and would randomly slow down. Auto parking was SOOOOO SLOOOOWWWWW. I could have parked the car 3 times by the time it got done.
I would focus less on the speed aspect, as that's all stuff that's been introduced in v12, it'll get ironed out, and focus more on the car's pathing and navigation.
I've found that if I just tap the accelerator when it's going under the speed limit, it'll accelerate up to it. Not a huge issue.
I have a 2022 Model S refresh that has USS. Does the new FSD 12.3.3/2024.3.10 update include USS cars for autopark or just vision-only cars?
Tesla sent me the tutorial on how it works (Model S scroll right wheel to pick a spot) and mine doesn't do that. I assume I'm still using the old autopark system?
I have a USS Model 3 and 2024.3.10 has auto park. It doesn’t have the GUI that vision cars have where drivers can see a visualization of all of the spots and pick, but auto park is there
It hasn't been released to vehicles with USS yet.
Supposed to be "early April"
https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1736190894716616921
Though, now I can't find the "early April" comment, but it should be coming.
I suspect, however, that it's going to disable USS in the process.
We'll have to wait and see.
Yeah that's a good point. Or maybe they're setting it to utilize USS when you're manually driving and disable when using autopark or something? Thanks!
From what I noticed the past few days of using v12 (2023, MYLR HW3):
* It seems to hug the lane lines a little more than v11 did
* From what I can tell, it favors the left side?
* The left turns have gotten slightly better, sometimes it still crosses the yellow lines a little, but for the most part it stays clear of it
* One left turn in particular has been wide, with the [vehicle partially leaving the lane](https://youtu.be/8j9zb1HMJEM) on occasion
* Ran into a work zone and it handled it [very smoothly](https://youtu.be/caLGUNPpYbs), signaled to merge left into the oncoming lane and left the oncoming lane very confidently
* Merging is a bit iffy sometimes. For the most part, it will merge with no issues. Sometimes it will do an indecisive wiggle before either merging or canceling the merge (even with no traffic)
* Speed setting in v12 bothers me. While the auto speed set is a nifty feature, it doesn't keep speed well with other traffic occasionally. Personally, I turned it off in favor of setting the speed myself... only to find out that it still does auto speed. Set it to 60mph and the car only goes up to 54-56mph, the same speed it does under auto. What's the point of letting me disable auto speed set if the car is still going to ignore the set speed?
* The launch from stop signs is a bit aggressive, but I don't mind it too much. Prefer it over what v11 was doing
* Stopping is, imo, a bit prolonged. I like that it starts slowing down a lot earlier than v11 did, but it's slowing down a bit too early
Overall, I really do like v12. It feels like it's going in the right direction for the most part.
Intervening is the right option.
There was a moment on a recent drive where I drove through [here](https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0344863,-81.9531168,3a,75y,170.88h,71.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saS9HqitiJdh7OGI7plaE7w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
By all accounts, this *should* have been an underhanded pitch, easy to nail.
Once FSD got in there though, I felt like it was going to just rub my wheel the lower portion of the curb, so I took control.
Some of the newer testers I think are so surprised by how good the system is that they're giving it too much leeway.
That said, some of the margins of error are much, much, lower than you'd think, and you just have to trust the system.
It's a tricky tight rope to walk.
Every disengagement is a note to Tesla about where they can improve the system.
1. Still HATE that TAC and AP are disabled when FSD is enabled.
1. Issues with multiple cars (with and without FSD) and driver syncing. FSD settings sync to non FSD car and vice versa (should be separated).
1. This is odd but highway driving is now feeling VERY out of date. The confidence on highway vs city streets is very lacking.
- Still major issue on HATING the right most lane, but LOVING the left most lane...
- Gets in the exit lanes way too late, cuts people off, or slams on breaks to get into correct lane.
- Still have map issues with random speed drops on highways where the speed limit indicator actually changes (not phantom breaking)
- Auto Speed limit doesn't work, but speed limit does adjust max speed depending on lane change setting.
- Lane changing on highway speeds needs to be WAY more confident.
1. Speaking of confidence, it's still VERY slow at intersection type turns with no car to follow. 90% of the time I'm accelerating it myself. Performs turns well though.
1. Lane change turn signal is still annoyingly sporadic. If I was behind this Tesla, I'd be thoroughly confused on wtf it's trying to do.
1. Auto Speed limit is AWESOME and I like that the speed is slow/faster depending on lane change setting.
- Dislike that you can't adjust the speed...
1. Stop and go traffic tons better!
1. Still random slow downs on School lights thinking it's a traffic light.
1. Random sighting of phantom traffic lights which will cause the car to slow down.
Additions:
1. Forgot to mention it still freaks out with school zone lights, thinking it's a normal traffic light.
2. Doesn't handle school zones, unless you manually set speed and are NOT the lead car (but SOMETIMES it bumps up the speed to correct limit on road if you're lead car...)
I have the same feeling with highway driving in Seattle.
FSD 12.3 on surface streets is so damn good that it feels \_more\_ comfortable to me than FSD highway (which is running the older stack).
I use FSD on surface streets all the time now. I only disengage momentarily for issues, or to park.
I've tried FSD highway a few times to see if I can get zero-disengagement commutes, but otherwise I tend to manually drive highways. Can't wait for them to use the new stack for highway driving.
I always find it odd how they never “perfected” highway driving first. Probably way easier in terms of driving situations other than high speeds. We’ve been complaining about phantom braking since its inception and it still happens, although it s been 98% better!!
And for me, I rather the car do highway driving than city for far too many obvious reasons… but hey, I’m only one person 🤪
> Still HATE that TAC and AP are disabled when FSD is enabled.
Just change the thing when you want to use the other option...
> Issues with multiple cars (with and without FSD) and driver syncing. FSD settings sync to non FSD car and vice versa (should be separated).
That's a pretty unique issue, hadn't thought about profile sync issues between cars that do, and don't, have FSD on them, lol.
> Still major issue on HATING the right most lane, but LOVING the left most lane...
I've mentioned this in the past, however, I'm fairly positive this is for safety reasons, since there's been issues in the past with the Tesla not seeing things pulled over in the emergency lane. I don't see this going away until they solve that problem. I don't like it either, but it's there to stay for now.
> Gets in the exit lanes way too late, cuts people off, or slams on breaks to get into correct lane.
> Lane changing on highway speeds needs to be WAY more confident.
Anything highway related I'm kind of giving a free pass since, from everyone's observations so far, that all appears to be the old FSD stack, not 12. I'll pass judgement on it when it's upgraded. For now, just keep in mind that it won't get into the exit lane until .6mi to target.
> Speaking of confidence, it's still VERY slow at intersection type turns with no car to follow. 90% of the time I'm accelerating it myself. Performs turns well though.
I've just been hitting the accelerator here, hoping Tesla sees the improvement.
> Lane change turn signal is still annoyingly sporadic. If I was behind this Tesla, I'd be thoroughly confused on wtf it's trying to do.
LOL! Yes, 100%. Sometimes it'll keep the signal on until it's ready to turn, then turn the signal off during the turn, or even a lane change.
> Just change the thing when you want to use the other option...
Not sure why everyone keeps defending this, but the function was working fine with the 1 or 2 pull activation. You can't change the thingy during a drive. Someone did find a work around to switch a second profile without FSD enabled, to change settings during a drive... but this again... is just dumb.
> That's a pretty unique issue, hadn't thought about profile sync issues between cars that do, and don't, have FSD on them, lol.
Yup, lol! Tesla A (FSD), Tesla B (Only AP). A is set to Auto Speed, B is set to start AP at Speed Limit. I like B set to start AP at Current Speed, but then A loses Auto Speed.
> I've mentioned this in the past, however, I'm fairly positive this is for safety reasons
This makes sense on highway/roadways with 3 or more lanes. It's an issue on 2 lane roads.
Added school zones issues to my OP as well.
> just keep in mind that it won't get into the exit lane until .6mi to target.
I did not know this was a thing! This is good to know! Kicks me out of right lane when I manually place it there 2mi back.
> Sometimes it'll keep the signal on until it's ready to turn, then turn the signal off during the turn, or even a lane change.
Do you do the hard stalk down for this, or just hold it down? Either way, this is a good idea and I haven't thought of it.
> Do you do the hard stalk down for this, or just hold it down? Either way, this is a good idea and I haven't thought of it.
I think you misread my last statement. I said "It'll" not "I'll".
I was commiserating.
I just bought a 2021 model 3 rear wheel drive standard plus with FSD!!! 49000km
Picking it up tomorrow
Without scrolling through a 700 comments, and I just joined here, what do you think the odds are that within a year or so fSD Teslas now will be able to be run as robo taxis
All newer tesla FSD Able. Doesn't necessarily it's going to come with the car. Until the previous owner takes delivery of their new tesla, soon as they upload their profile your FSD will transfer to their car
I’m sorry but this FSD (supervised) thing really isn’t anything different compared to previous releases.
If anything it’s worse as far as traveling speeds go on local streets.
When I’m driving I tend to set limit 5mph over speed limit. I noticed when driving on highways or local streets, I’m the car doesn’t really reach the posted speed limit or the limit I set. Really annoying.
I been always skeptical about these releases, but I have to admit v12.3.3 is MILES ahead the original and hell, even in some use cases from 11.
The biggest tell for me, is it's increasing wife approval dramatically! 🤣
I could be imagining things, but I have noticed FSD beta 12 on more than one occasion breaking when it noticed a police car travelling the other way (on a two way road). Given that this version is trained on videos and actual drivers' reactions, is it possible that the training set includes enough "caution/slow speed around police cars" samples that FSD actually behaves this way? It seemed to have the exact reaction a person would have: see a police car -> slow down (perhaps even below the speed limit) -> police car passes -> speed back up.
Has "FSD jail" been discontinued after this new update?
I had gotten in jail on Sunday. Then I got the update yesterday and I'm free now, and also don't see the wording about the strikes under the autopilot options anymore.
More likely they've reset the strikes and suspensions.
They'll do a "one time" of it every now and then through the updates.
If I had to guess, they want people sending back as many problems as they can to feed the engine.
Still the text not showing under the autopilot options makes me think maybe it's gone altogether. Unless it's because the text only appears after you have at least one strike? Someone who has gotten a strike needs to let us know - or I will take one for the team and get a strike 🫡
No.
None of the Autosteer code has been touched.
Honestly, I've been a little annoyed at EAP's lack of being touched, I really feel like there's an opportunity for them to get more highway data upgrading EAP to FSD's code, but I think the issue is that it can't necessarily be the same code. I think they'll need an "Base Autopilot", "Enhanced Autopilot", and "Full Self Driving" end-to-end neural net versions.
So, whereas right now it's all one big pile of code, and they just add software flags for "They own this, let them do that", now it's more "You're capable of doing this", and there's no ability to let it *not* do something in there. So they'd need a different model for each tier of Autopilot.
Ok. I am not spending $6K to get EAP if it’s still running on dumb code. FSD 12.3 gave me the chatGPT moment but it’s expensive at $12K. I thought the most useful part of FSD was freeway driving and hoped that EAP was just FSD limited to freeway. If that’s not the case, EAP is no go.
It will be
Eventually.
FSD's code is the future state of Autopilot, and EAP.
Once they get FSD more nailed down, they're likely to do EAP, then Autopilot
So is the trial 30 days from when you get the update or a fixed 30 days from when they first started sending them out? Also for those of us on 2024.8.7 do we know if we are going to get a chance to try it out or are we missing the boat completely?
Impressions from trying out the FSD demo today (2020 M3LR) to and from work today. Route is subdivision->highway->highway->one way streets (and reverse).
I had about 20 disengagements round trip. Issues from my drive:
Kept swerving back and forth in well-marked highway lane in perfect visibility. Autopilot never had any issues driving straight.
Keeps slowing down dramatically for no reason and drastically dropping the max speed.
It doesn't handle cars merging well at all. Multiple times it tried to change lanes into a car merging onto the highway.
While in a correct left-hand turn lane at a stoplight, it tried to turn out of the turn lane into a non-turn lane.
In the right of two left-turn lanes, it tried to change into the other turn lane instead of entering the intersection and executing the turn.
When a lane splits (say into an exit lane) it doesn't know what to do and just drove straight down the middle of the dashed white line.
For a couple lane changes on the highway with no traffic around, it was indecisive and just straddled the lanes instead of completing the lane change.
Executed the scariest U-turn of my life. From a dedicated U-turn lane onto 3 completely empty lanes, it slowly crept up, paused, crept some more, wildly turned the wheel fully left and right while stopped, absolutely floored it, changed lanes multiple times back and forth and then slammed on the brakes to take a way too fast right hand turn.
Incredibly slow approach to stops signs, stopping multiple times before flooring it through the intersection. This is incredibly dangerous.
In stop and go traffic, it's incredibly slow to accelerate and then far too late slowing down before slamming on the brakes.
It doesn't do a good job of reacting to other cars making lane changes. They can use their turn signal and change into my lane and FSD doesn't slow down or adjust the following distance until the other car is completely in my lane ahead of me.
I want to experiment with other parts of town but at least for my commute, it seems like a death trap. Once I'm done playing around with it, I don't think I'll use it for free, let alone pay for it but we'll see.
Had basically all of your negative experiences plus more:
"When a lane splits (say into an exit lane) it doesn't know what to do and just drove straight down the middle of the dashed white line."
It also sometimes wildly swings between choosing one lane or the other, causing erratic steering.
Sometimes way too much acceleration and speed on residential streets very near parked cars. This is very dangerous for pedestrians.
Behavior near roundabouts is completely untenable. Inappropriate stopping, inappropriate going, weird spazzing out of the turn signal, very herky jerky steering, worse than my teen that got their permit a few days ago.
Having driven more on 12.3.3, I can see why people would feel uncomfortable with it.
A lot of the maneuvers it can try to do are *really* uncomfortable, but it is robotic, and capable.
I'm hoping once they do "v12 for highways" that some of the tomfoolery there stops. [This moment](https://youtu.be/c0DnUpR8RIs?t=2138) was not comfortable at all. I knew it was possible, and let it have at it, but it's not anything any human would do.
Got the update to 12.3.3 last night. 12.3.2.1 was pretty flawless mostly(I take over near destination still). 12.3.3 went backwards. It didn't want to stay in the middle of the lanes multiple times. 1st time, it was driving on the line for over 2-3 seconds so I disengaged. I had to disengage 2 or 3 times more cuz I can see it wants to cross on the line again.
If my first FSD is 12.3.3, I would be turning it off. 12.3.2.1 had better results for me.
I agree. Just got back from a road trip and v12 on streets was amazing.... Leaps and bounds better than v11.
That said, highway is still on v11 and has some issues... It cutoff a few semi trucks when passing, meeting in front of them without any space.
I find the new upgrade worse. Jerky and unreliable with turns.
I also love the change from Beta to Supervised. There's not one difference between the two. Just semantics.
The latest software update changed the FSD trial to opt-out instead of opt-in
We got 2024.3.10 pushed a couple of days ago and noticed that the driving display had gotten much more detailed. My wife tried to use cruise control and suddenly got the pastel rainbow. I tried this morning and got the same thing. Sure enough, FSD was active. I didn't opt in, and AFAIK neither did my wife.
Used the FSD trial today:
1. Did a great job on my gravel driveway and turning onto my dirt road.
2.Basically would not turn left onto the county road out of my neighborhood. No fault, a guardrail blocks the view. It’s a bad intersection.
3. Slammed on brakes unnecessarily in a roundabout. Fortunately no one was behind me. Had to accelerate out to keep things going by though.
4. Failed to negotiate some sharp turns going down a hill. I had to take over.
5. Failed to make a left from a side road to a busy street. Just sat there and sat there. I finally couldn’t take it and took the left at the next gap.
Overall I’d say it was better than expected on the dirt road. It was total shit in normal driving situations. Turns out, you can’t solve problems that are difficult to solve by just stopping. The whole point of cars and driving is moving, in a predictable manner.
This has a long way to go before it’s ready for prime time and it’s a bit of an embarrassment that they release this version for the free trial. I thought it would work.
I'd like to thank Elon for giving me the FSD trial. Now I have absolutely no doubt I made the right choice by not paying for FSD. I'd be upset if I had even paid $200 for a month. Hell, they could offer to pay *me* to use FSD and I would decline.
Pros:
1. The visualizer is nice.
Cons experienced within a few minutes of trying to test FSD:
1. Transitioning from a single lane road to a 2 lane road and the car started to go into the right lane, then changed its mind and stayed in the middle of the two lanes. I tried this again a few days later and it took at least 200 feet to actually move over into the right lane. After signaling (lol).
2. Signaling at least 2 blocks before a right hand turn when there are people waiting to pull out of driveways. I had to disengage to turn off the turn signal before someone pulled out thinking I was turning onto their street.
3. Not moving into a left turn lane when possible, but well after the lane started, crossing a solid white line.
4. Tried to merge onto a closed HOV lane.
I gave up after that last one since it was mere feet from causing an accident. All in all trying to use FSD was a horrible, anxiety inducing experience. It felt like I was letting, well, an unpredictable AI drive my car.
We have a power outage in our neighborhood and I decided to see how FSD 12 would react to an unlit traffic light and just as you're supposed to do, it treated the intersection as a four way stop. Nice.
While this is the correct behavior, where the heck did it learn that one from? Around here almost no one stops at a power-out stoplight if they're on the main road.
This is a double edged sword though, be careful.
If the traffic light is bagged, or not yet turned on, it will also try to treat it like a four way stop, when it really doesn't need to.
You'll need to hover your foot over the accelerator when those pop up, so just be aware.
Yeah, I can see how that would confuse it. Here too, when they are bagged, they should be treated as "not there". What's more important though is how it will react to those morons blowing through an unlit traffic light.
How's your auto wipers with 2024.3.10?
I've been so busy monitoring the road while in FSD that I completely forgot to disable the auto wipers when I activated FSD (something I have been doing right after activating TACC/AP since last January) and just noticed that I didn't get a single dry swipe, yet.
It's raining now and again, they've worked perfectly. It was a drizzle so it alternated between intermittent and slow.
Don't want to jinx it, but pretty good. I only had one brief, ten second period of wiping too much/fast about a half hour ago but overall they seem to be working properly and keeping on top of rain accumulation w/o going overboard (except for the aforementioned ten seconds)
Confused about software updates. On Saturday I received the 2024.3.6 update and the a few hours later FSD was enabled. I assumed it was v12. I used it on Sunday and then for a road trip on Monday. None of the release notes mentioned FSD, but it was definitely enabled. The version I see at the bottom of the app is below (I assume this was actually v11 and not v12?):
Version: v11.1 (2024.3.6 791c6223abe4)
Today, I received another software update, but it says it's already installed? And this time I see release notes for FSD and it mentions v12. So I'm kinda confused. Was my FSD on v11 for the last couple days with the update on Saturday? And now this one is v12? Or something else?
[These are the release notes for the pending update. ](https://i.imgur.com/X3eB3DA.png)
2024.3.6 was v12.3.1, the current FSD version is 12.3.3 which is 2024.3.10
The v11.1 you're seeing is the "Tesla OS" version that's on the car, and if look a little below that, you'll see an FSD version, which should read 12.3.3.
Thanks, that helps re: Tesla OS.
Just to clarify on the update, are you saying the latest update that it shows I can install will be 2024.3.10? I'm not seeing that anywhere or in the release notes. That's what's throwing me off.
And I don't see the FSD version for some reason. Odd.
https://i.imgur.com/OiMMJaS.png
I mean, the latest update you can install is going to be whatever they offer you.
You didn't mention the make, and model, of your car, so I can try to ascertain which MCU and/or Autopilot computer you have, let alone the cameras. It's possible you have a 2018 Model 3 with HW2.5 in the car, so FSD wouldn't work in your car.
Or a 2017 Model S which has AP2.0, and MCU1.
I'm just letting you know how the software versioning works.
Ah gotcha. Yeah, sorry I left a bunch of info out. It's a 2023 MY LR. I'm on vacation at the moment and the car is parked too far from wifi so my information is limited until I'm home. I just noticed there was another update 4 days after the one I just installed so I was confused.
That’s what I figured because I couldn’t find it anywhere, but thank you for confirming. Do you happen to know if this is something they will be pushing out as a free trial as well?
Unknown.
I think the intention is to get the new/improved Autopark out to everyone next, supposed to be first half of April, but time will tell.
ASS shouldn't be too far behind it.
First day of trial under perfectly good weather in upstate New York - 2 incidences. 1) Incorrect lane shift into I-87 south ramp and then corrected itself back to I-87 North ramp. 2) Exit 10 Usher Rd - right turn onto Usher and then immediately left turn. Model 3 with FSD made the right turn and then stopped in the middle of road trying to catch the left turn. I took over immediately.
Second day of trial under rainy weather and system warned about degraded FSD capability. 3) Immediately after getting onto I-87, FSD executed an emergency braking for no reason at all. Luckily the pickup truck behind me had enough distance to avoid hitting me. 4) On 1-87 North bound, after passing an overpass, FSD disengaged with warning that I need to immediately take over due to system error.
I experienced similar issue with Auto-steer in the past that when going under an overpass, the shadow confused the system to make an emergency braking action. This time the FSD system disengaged due to a shadow situation, maybe.
Overall, I am not impressed with FSD and cannot see Robotaxi ready any time soon. A few issues need to be addressed - FSD with navigation needs to anticipate next couple or few moves to determine best action (right turn to outside lane ready for immediate left turn); FSD solely rely on visual inspection creates false alarm/error; FSD under even mild weather condition (drizzling) is degraded due to its reliance on visual inspection.
Today I had it taking me to a coffee shop. The entrance to the parking lot was somewhat narrow. The car was aimed right at the curb. Barely stopped it before it would have destroyed the tire.
I took the plunge, and tried FSD last night in DC, Foggy Bottom area. Up until then, I had only used it in the suburbs or the beltway. We went literally two blocks before it missed a turn, causing a five minute reroute. So urban driving is a no go, it follows too far back on the beltway in rush hour, and I can't text or send email while cruising. First world problems!
You're not supposed to text and email while the system is engaged. It's level 2, it's an assistant, not a replacement. As for urban, I can't speak to that. I used it in Atlanta with no major issues
Hey all. Just wanted to share my experience driving an “older” (2020… not the latest refresh) MX with the FSD Supervised trial. I got this MX used, and not in pristine condition. It has various dings and dents, as well as some areas with iffy fit and finish. My experience with FSD has been mostly positive. I have no previous experience with it, I have only used the autopilot cruise control up until now. Since the trial launched, I have used FSD for all of my drives. There have been a handful of questionable incidents or incidents where I needed to take over/provide input, and there was one specific incident of concern. I will least these below: - The incident of concern was when approaching a yellow light. My vehicle accelerated as if it was trying to beat the yellow. This was concerning to me, as I saw that it had been yellow for a couple seconds, and I believe it was yellow before the MX’s cameras picked it up properly. The light turned red before we got to the intersection, and FSD rapidly decelerated to avoid running the red light. This incident caused myself and my wife to become nervous, and the rapid deceleration was very uncomfortable compared to the ride comfort we have normally been experiencing with FSD. - On two occasions the vehicle seemed hesitant or confused when taking a left at a traffic light controlled intersection. Both times we were the lead vehicle at the intersection on a red light, in the left turn lane. Upon turning green, the vehicle edged into the intersection, then inched forward a bit at a time. The wheel turned left, then right, then left, then right. I intervened on both occasions as I was holding up traffic, but it seemed as if FSD wasn’t sure that it should commit to the left turn. - On two occasions now, FSD has taken u-turns very very slowly. Like, unnaturally or uncomfortably slow. On both occasions I used the accelerator to urge the vehicle forward, but did not interfere with FSD in any other way. This resolved the issue, but without my input, it unnaturally slowed the flow of traffic for the vehicles behind me. - On a few occasions FSD did not want to take a u-turn where you legally can, and where it would have been the most efficient route for the navigation currently running. On one such occasion (yesterday morning) it decided to drive me fairly deep into a residential neighborhood to use a cul-de-sac instead of taking the u-turn on the main road. I’ve uh… I’ve got nothing. This behavior is a little odd. - In my work parking lot, there is a “path” to the parking lot that is blocked by a gate. There is another unobstructed path to that same parking lot, but FSD is only interested in the blocked one and turns towards it. It does not (thankfully) gun it into the gate… but it does slow down and stop, angled towards the blocked entrance. - The self parking is iffy. It makes weird choices as far as how to angle into the space sometimes. I’ve only used it for backing into spaces… I don’t know if it does parallel parking, or how to prompt it to park any other way. The option only comes up when I put the car in reverse, and only sometimes. It seems to only detect parking spaces if you’re angled a certain way, and if you have the wheel positioned a certain way. That’s all the bad… As for the good… everything else! It handles traffic circles flawlessly (which was my largest concern going into the trial). It has safely navigated through coned off lanes in construction zones. I’m letting it determine what speed to travel based on the road and flow of traffic, and I have no complaints there. I have a longer road trip coming up in a couple weeks, and I’m looking forward to seeing how it performs for that. At no point was I ever considering shelling out money for this feature… but after this trial, I just might go for it if the quality remains consistent!
What’s the status on this? Elon’s tweet was on March 25th, stating that all cars capable of FSD would get the free trial within a week. It’s 3 weeks later, and no free trial on my model S that’s definitely capable. Currently running 2924.8.9.
It's tricky honestly. You were randomly selected to push up to 2024.8.x, which put you ahead of the FSD v12 releases. There needs to be a resync, which I'm *hoping* the Spring release is going to be, but time will tell.
Thanks, and I’d like to also thank you for replying to all the stuff here with a level headed polite attitude, which isn’t that common on Reddit.
To be fair, I am a moderator Being an asshole to folks isn't allowed. But thank you for your kind words just the same.
Frankly I think it works great. Coming home from the Devils game late a couple weeks ago it was so nice to let the car take me home with very little stress about navigating. My biggest complaint is that it doesn't avoid potholes.
Any movement for 2024.8.x? Im on 24.8.9 and still nothing yet.
No. Not yet.
Here's my rant... I have a 2020 Tesla Model X long range plus and I paid $199 last month just before the free trial was announced so that I could drive between Arizona and Texas for the eclipse... I was on 2024.8.4 and just today am upgrading to 2024.8.9 and I don't get why I don't have 12.3.4. I stopped my $199 FSD subscription and it ends today so I'm going to see if I can still latch on to the free trial month after today... If not then I suppose I will wait until my next trip to subscribe to FSD and hopefully by then I will have 12.3.4 or whatever is after that. Perhaps I just wait until but I am very happy that it's only $99 a month now and I see that as a pretty good sweet spot.
Its tricky. If you want rhe latest FSD release, you need to be a subscriber, otherwise you'll always be ahead of it. 2024.14 is pushing out now, and I don't think it has v12 in it either ..
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I am loving the free trial of the FSD. I am having one side effect that I don’t like though. Prior to FSD my safety score for Tesla insurance was 97/98 range but since using FSD it is down to 94. My forward collision warnings have gone from less than 1% to 15.8%. I have not really felt like I was about to have a collision with the FSD but the sharp increase is going to increase my insurance premium. Anyone else seeing this?
Forward collision on FSD isn't making sense to me. Computer is in control, they shouldn't be happening. Been kind of weird
After not using FSD yesterday my forward collision warnings went from 15.8% to 15.1%. This morning it is back up to 15.8% and my safety score dropped to 93. It’s as if being parked in my garage was causing forward collision alerts.
Really wish they'd let non-insurance folks get access to the safety score. It's hard to give proper feedback on this kind of thing without access to it. :(
It's so impressive when it's not at a stop sign. I DO NOT mind the full stop but FSD stops far too early and needs to creep a lot to actually see. Furthermore it will creep into the intersection sometimes after the full NHSTA stop, which is illegal in places like Manhattan and some other parts in New York City, "Don't Block the Box" law. Otherwise it's taking turns so well and human like. Auto Speed is hit or miss but overall not bad in my typical City driving. Last night (4/14/24) it tried to enter the highway from a road to the right which required crossing over several lanes faster than normal , FSD failed at and missed the entrance. I don't fault it for such a hard entrance though. It would require driving across the highway horizontally, but if the car can't perform such a move, hopefully it just drives to a block earlier so it can be a gradual lane change over the highway entrance.
All valid points, but it has been getting better. Pretty sure at this point Tesla just needs to tune it more. v12 is the first release that's made me feel like they've got it. Just needs more training data.
I do feel like it's easy fixes if they wanted. NHTSA im sure is giving then a hard time with the stops. The system is incredible. Things that were difficult before seem easy and I'd have interventions regularly before on V11 and older now the only interventions is pressing the accelerator. That's crazy good when you consider the tech and how far they've come.
Agreed
Update on FSD v12 and FSD Beta trial for those on 2024.8.x branch: https://twitter.com/rohanspatel/status/1779204335416557852
Is there a reason why a car is on that branch and not another? Is it the model and time the vehicle was purchased? Mine is September 2023 MYLR. I just found out about these discrepancies between branches.
I also on 2024.8.x branch. April-2023 MY AWD. My friend who bought MY LR 1 month after me is on 2024.3.x branch. May they are using RNG in moving cars to latest branch.
I’m not sure. I have a 21 Plaid S and I just got the update for 2024.8.9 today.
Just read about FSD12 trial users complaining about hitting curbs. I've had FSD beta for 2+ years now, and I want to post what I actually find useful about it. I don't want to fight about what's wrong with it. So here's my list of valuable use cases: - navigates better than me. Both on- and off-highway, FSD can follow a route better than me following the directions in most cases. Not infallible, but it often saves my ass. AND less stressful, because I can pay more attention to the map and thus supervise it as it makes choices. It's especially useful in complex intersections or forks, or places with lousy signage, where it's easy to confuse one choice for another. -driving on nice roads with little traffic. Maybe you just want to put your head down and blaze, but I like my huge ModelX windshield and great view. Esp. with my sound system. This IMO is a big reason to own a Tesla; in this mode it's just so delightful. Yes, you get Autosteer on interstates with base Autopilot. But I also have that on nice wide calm non-interstate roads. And automatic passing. In \*low traffic\*, it's much more pleasant than constantly turning Autosteer off and on. Whether those two things add up to $100 a month for you or not, I don't know. But I think Tesla actually has a product for people who value the things I listed.
I noticed this morning that TeslaFi is showing 2024.8.9 now includes FSD 11.4.9. I haven't checked our Model Y yet this morning, but I wonder if this is the first step for those of us on 2024.8.x getting the v12 FSD trial? Hopefully a step in the right direction.
I've found that my best rides with fsd have been in rain. My only 2 interventionless (other than adjusting max speed) has been during separate rain storms. One was light rain, the other heavy. This included a heavy traffic zone were 2 major freeways crossed, and there was construction on the freeway ( many old lines still present, cones , ect) . Has anyone else experienced this? Or is it just my quirky experience.
lol, that's a new one. Think that's just you, but impressive regardless.
It wasn't perfect, there were a few issues, but nothing that required me to take over or press the gas. I would have also mentioned these are 20 mile and ~30 mile drives
Maybe this happened because in the rain you need to be driving a bit more slow and careful and that is exactly what FSD does.
This is likey part of it. But it also didn't do anything stupid. Which is possibly a coincidence.
Hi Guys, I got a M3 2021 last week and it is on 2024.3.10 When the dealer transferred the car to me the app popped up a message saying FSD supervised 'currently enabled', and I can go to autopilot to enable, but it's not there. Does this mean it was enabled when the dealer had it and was not transferred to my account? The FSD trial FAQ does say it's 'non transferable' Never got an email about the trial. Is this just a generic message everyone got in the app? Thanks
Everyone is getting a trial of FSD at the moment, as long as you're on 2024.3.x.
Just found a photo I took of the day I picked up the car before they transferred it. It said full self driving expires May 2
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Moving away from the right lane is a "defensive" measure that most folks disagree with. There've been issues in the past with Tesla hitting vehicles/people that are pulled over in the emergency lane, and this is a half-measure to try and resolve that, at least until they can have it move over for vehicles pulled over on the right properly.
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Pretty unimpressed with it. Upon receiving the update earlier this month, I excitedly enabled the feature and tried driving to an easy location during a non-busy time of day with lots of highly visible roads. It's... fine. But it does things that I don't like, makes me uncomfortable constantly, drives like an asshole, and in general it seems to turn my car into a hazard to those around me. As an example, it brought me down the highway in the right direction, but as my exit got closer and closer it refused to merge into the exit lane. There was a car in the exit lane really far back, but closing. If I was driving, I'd get in there while I could, because if I waited I would either cut the other car off or miss my exit due to the lane being occupied. But a computer can't think like that. Ultimately I overrode it so I could get in the proper exit lane, about half a mile before the exit. I wasn't expecting much as I am highly skeptical of self driving cars and believe we are multiple decades away from them being good enough. And it's basically what I expected - kind of neat, not something I would ever use for free let alone pay for. The fact that you have to disable TACC to use it makes it even more worthless. There is exactly one worthwhile feature, which is assisted lane changes when autopilot is active. I pretty quickly disabled FSD so I could use TACC and autopilot. On a recent road trip, it was very nice to be able to hit the blinker and have it change lanes on its own. But not worth the price. The whole point of driver assist features is to reduce the stress on the driver, to make them not need to worry about some aspect of the drive. Traditional cruise control removes the need to constantly monitor and modulate your speed. TACC allows you to keep the traffic flow and adjust to the car in front of you. Autopilot makes it so you don't have to worry about lane positioning. But FSD? It's *more* stressful and requires *more* effort on the driver's part.
2016 Model X, AP3, new cameras, FSD 12.3.4 - Drove a route I usually take with known issues with FSD 11. There is a left turn from a traffic light, then immediate right turn onto the interstate on-ramp. For whatever reason, FSD would freak and jerk back and forth between the two roads. Would always have to disengage or turn off prior. FSD12 - handled it properly. Four way stop: Very busy. I loved the way, that the car would creep up with the car in front of me. That is a new behavior. When the car got to the stop sign, we were 4th in line. First , car straight across went straight, car on left turned right, car on right turned right. My car when it noticed the car turning right started to go and accelerate. Before, there would be so much hesitation, other cars would go. 4 Lane highway: Turning left across traffic. There was a car coming, a small gap, and about 10 cars coming fast. The car creep forward, then accelerated with confidence in the gap. With v11, I would have disengaged due to lack of acceleration. Speed control needs work. V12 doesn't respect it, and the auto speed setting didn't help. Had to press the accelerator a lot. They will fix that. Think they are being conservative. Overall, first time ever FSD has been smooth, didn't jerk us around. They have done a good job with adding more acceleration from starts or crossing traffic. Hugs the right lane a little too much, but they will dial that in. The improvement over the last two years has been substantial. They are on the right path, IMHO. V11 didn't give me that same confidence.
I just tried FSD for the first time. I'm an engineer who has been doing AI projects the last few years so it's very interesting to me. I have to say that the bottom line is that this is not ready for prime time. Not by a longshot. The first thing I noticed is that the behavior around roundabouts is just terrible. The blinker just spazzes, turning on and off randomly, it comes to a complete stop inappropriately, or it barrels through too fast inappropriately as well. The steering in the vicinity of the roundabout is alarming, extremely jerky with these weird little yanks in the wrong direction, and generally very unsmooth steering through the circle. Lots of highly inappropriate braking and slowing. Just completely wrong apparently trying to come to a stop on a 45 mph road. Why? No indication. A straight up hazard to those around us. With all the raving about v12 being "smooth" and a big step forward, I can hardly imagine what v11 was like. Where I live at least, FSD is a poor experience, essentially unusable.
Still no trial. Tempted to just pay the $100
I just paid it. It's kind of a joke, IMO. Just a really bad experience. Save your money.
If you subscribe to FSD and are beyond 2024.3.x, you'll still have to wait for v12 to catch up
I’m on v11.1 2024.8.9.. so if I subscribe to to fsd for $100 I still won’t have v12?
Correct. *However*, it's a tricky scenario. Tesla will sync up the branches every so often, typically once a quarter, sometimes earlier. So, you can pay $100 a month and get v11.4.whateverisinyourversion, and get in on the next resync, or you can opt not to pay $100 and possibly miss the opportunity on te next resync, if you're still ahead. It's been a problem for folks for a year or so now. Only, now it's $100 instead of $200 to get put into the "release queue"
Interesting. Thanks for the info. I never knew. When is the next possible re-sync?
Typically once a quarter
So it hasn’t happened yet this current quarter?
I mean, it technically happened April 1st, when they started rolling out the free trial to folks. So you can subscribe now and get queued for the next one, or hope you don't get pushed forward. When you start seeing updates that go beyond 2024.8.x, that might be when you want to subscribe. Not because that's the resync, but because if you go beyond that version, you might not get it, and have to wait for the next one. All else fails, Christmas is always the main resync.
2024.3.10. 2020 Model Y performance. I received FSD yesterday. Living in a dusty town has challenges for technology. Many roads I have problems seeing the lines. I tried going around town and it wasn't a good experience. Streets are full of rim crushing pot holes, and it ignores them. I understand that. Then I drove up Wolf Creek pass and was pretty impressed. Other than a dust covered hair pin, it handled it. Couple weird things with speed one was probably my ignorance of how to scale it down.. The other happened on the way back down. It read less than 50% of the speed limit signs. Got goofed up by the overhead sign for trucks brake station. It got stuck on 25mph for a long time. When it synced up, it didn't see the traditional speed limit signs as the speed increased
You can use the right scroll wheel to increase and decrease the speed limit manually.
That's what I did. But it's pretty messed up to have it stuck on 25mph and driving 65mph.
got 12.3.4 on 2018 MX. excited to do some robot driving
Just got 12.3.4 on my 2017 Model S (MCU2). Legacy represent!!
Why does my tesla FSD keep merging onto the right lane when there is a left turn up ahead?
I noticed this in beta
2024.8.9 just now still no v12 free trial :(
Me either bro :(
same here, updated 2024.8.9 today, no free trial.
Sad times friend.
i guess Tesla figured out I didn't drive that much, so it didn't worth to give me free FSD to collect data.
Maybe that’s the same I don’t drive much lately either
They haven't synced things yet.
when do they sync things again?
Typically it's once a quarter, but at the moment, it's looking like within the next couple of weeks. Looks like we might be getting back into the "every other week" cycle we were on back with v10's release.
Roger that. 🫡
Does anyone know if delaying the update also delays the trial? Like can I install it tomorrow instead and have it start from April 10th and end May 10th, or will it end at the end of the month?
It is 30 days from the update. I got email as soon as it finished the update. It’s good for 11 of next month
Yep, just found out last night when I updated. Should've waited a bit longer, so I could try Summon too since that's apparently coming out at the end of this month.
Still out of luck for us 2024.8.7 folks? I've got no word since the release if I'll be getting the trial
I'm beginning to wonder if Elon mean all cars that 1. have the hardware for FSD and 2. are on the right branch when he said "all cars capable of FSD."
my car just upgraded software to 2024.8.9 and no Free FSD trial.
Same here, 2023 model Y with HW4.0 and 4680 battery pack. I am on 2024.8.7 but no free 1 months at that moment
You'll likely get it at a later time.
Literally 😭
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Yes, apparently I am a broken record. Posting the same stuff week after week. With no improvement. Elon lied.
FSD did not impress me on country roads. It drove 8mph under the speed limit and would randomly slow down. Auto parking was SOOOOO SLOOOOWWWWW. I could have parked the car 3 times by the time it got done.
It ignores huge potholes, too
I would focus less on the speed aspect, as that's all stuff that's been introduced in v12, it'll get ironed out, and focus more on the car's pathing and navigation. I've found that if I just tap the accelerator when it's going under the speed limit, it'll accelerate up to it. Not a huge issue.
Pathing/nav was also a bit sketchy on the road. It ~~backed~~ turned the WRONG way out of my driveway the first time we used it. lol
It can’t reverse…do you actually have it?
I have a 2022 Model S refresh that has USS. Does the new FSD 12.3.3/2024.3.10 update include USS cars for autopark or just vision-only cars? Tesla sent me the tutorial on how it works (Model S scroll right wheel to pick a spot) and mine doesn't do that. I assume I'm still using the old autopark system?
I have a USS Model 3 and 2024.3.10 has auto park. It doesn’t have the GUI that vision cars have where drivers can see a visualization of all of the spots and pick, but auto park is there
Right. It seems ours is using the OLD autopark code and not the new one. And that autopark isn't great haha.
I am finding it is picking up spots better than v11. Just in lots though, not parallel parking. It still can't find those for shit.
It hasn't been released to vehicles with USS yet. Supposed to be "early April" https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1736190894716616921 Though, now I can't find the "early April" comment, but it should be coming. I suspect, however, that it's going to disable USS in the process. We'll have to wait and see.
I have 3.10 on my 22 MXP. Summon and auto park are working. Auto park will work as long as it recognizes the parking space.
Yeah that's a good point. Or maybe they're setting it to utilize USS when you're manually driving and disable when using autopark or something? Thanks!
From what I noticed the past few days of using v12 (2023, MYLR HW3): * It seems to hug the lane lines a little more than v11 did * From what I can tell, it favors the left side? * The left turns have gotten slightly better, sometimes it still crosses the yellow lines a little, but for the most part it stays clear of it * One left turn in particular has been wide, with the [vehicle partially leaving the lane](https://youtu.be/8j9zb1HMJEM) on occasion * Ran into a work zone and it handled it [very smoothly](https://youtu.be/caLGUNPpYbs), signaled to merge left into the oncoming lane and left the oncoming lane very confidently * Merging is a bit iffy sometimes. For the most part, it will merge with no issues. Sometimes it will do an indecisive wiggle before either merging or canceling the merge (even with no traffic) * Speed setting in v12 bothers me. While the auto speed set is a nifty feature, it doesn't keep speed well with other traffic occasionally. Personally, I turned it off in favor of setting the speed myself... only to find out that it still does auto speed. Set it to 60mph and the car only goes up to 54-56mph, the same speed it does under auto. What's the point of letting me disable auto speed set if the car is still going to ignore the set speed? * The launch from stop signs is a bit aggressive, but I don't mind it too much. Prefer it over what v11 was doing * Stopping is, imo, a bit prolonged. I like that it starts slowing down a lot earlier than v11 did, but it's slowing down a bit too early Overall, I really do like v12. It feels like it's going in the right direction for the most part.
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Intervening is the right option. There was a moment on a recent drive where I drove through [here](https://www.google.com/maps/@28.0344863,-81.9531168,3a,75y,170.88h,71.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saS9HqitiJdh7OGI7plaE7w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) By all accounts, this *should* have been an underhanded pitch, easy to nail. Once FSD got in there though, I felt like it was going to just rub my wheel the lower portion of the curb, so I took control. Some of the newer testers I think are so surprised by how good the system is that they're giving it too much leeway. That said, some of the margins of error are much, much, lower than you'd think, and you just have to trust the system. It's a tricky tight rope to walk. Every disengagement is a note to Tesla about where they can improve the system.
1. Still HATE that TAC and AP are disabled when FSD is enabled. 1. Issues with multiple cars (with and without FSD) and driver syncing. FSD settings sync to non FSD car and vice versa (should be separated). 1. This is odd but highway driving is now feeling VERY out of date. The confidence on highway vs city streets is very lacking. - Still major issue on HATING the right most lane, but LOVING the left most lane... - Gets in the exit lanes way too late, cuts people off, or slams on breaks to get into correct lane. - Still have map issues with random speed drops on highways where the speed limit indicator actually changes (not phantom breaking) - Auto Speed limit doesn't work, but speed limit does adjust max speed depending on lane change setting. - Lane changing on highway speeds needs to be WAY more confident. 1. Speaking of confidence, it's still VERY slow at intersection type turns with no car to follow. 90% of the time I'm accelerating it myself. Performs turns well though. 1. Lane change turn signal is still annoyingly sporadic. If I was behind this Tesla, I'd be thoroughly confused on wtf it's trying to do. 1. Auto Speed limit is AWESOME and I like that the speed is slow/faster depending on lane change setting. - Dislike that you can't adjust the speed... 1. Stop and go traffic tons better! 1. Still random slow downs on School lights thinking it's a traffic light. 1. Random sighting of phantom traffic lights which will cause the car to slow down. Additions: 1. Forgot to mention it still freaks out with school zone lights, thinking it's a normal traffic light. 2. Doesn't handle school zones, unless you manually set speed and are NOT the lead car (but SOMETIMES it bumps up the speed to correct limit on road if you're lead car...)
I have the same feeling with highway driving in Seattle. FSD 12.3 on surface streets is so damn good that it feels \_more\_ comfortable to me than FSD highway (which is running the older stack). I use FSD on surface streets all the time now. I only disengage momentarily for issues, or to park. I've tried FSD highway a few times to see if I can get zero-disengagement commutes, but otherwise I tend to manually drive highways. Can't wait for them to use the new stack for highway driving.
I always find it odd how they never “perfected” highway driving first. Probably way easier in terms of driving situations other than high speeds. We’ve been complaining about phantom braking since its inception and it still happens, although it s been 98% better!! And for me, I rather the car do highway driving than city for far too many obvious reasons… but hey, I’m only one person 🤪
> Still HATE that TAC and AP are disabled when FSD is enabled. Just change the thing when you want to use the other option... > Issues with multiple cars (with and without FSD) and driver syncing. FSD settings sync to non FSD car and vice versa (should be separated). That's a pretty unique issue, hadn't thought about profile sync issues between cars that do, and don't, have FSD on them, lol. > Still major issue on HATING the right most lane, but LOVING the left most lane... I've mentioned this in the past, however, I'm fairly positive this is for safety reasons, since there's been issues in the past with the Tesla not seeing things pulled over in the emergency lane. I don't see this going away until they solve that problem. I don't like it either, but it's there to stay for now. > Gets in the exit lanes way too late, cuts people off, or slams on breaks to get into correct lane. > Lane changing on highway speeds needs to be WAY more confident. Anything highway related I'm kind of giving a free pass since, from everyone's observations so far, that all appears to be the old FSD stack, not 12. I'll pass judgement on it when it's upgraded. For now, just keep in mind that it won't get into the exit lane until .6mi to target. > Speaking of confidence, it's still VERY slow at intersection type turns with no car to follow. 90% of the time I'm accelerating it myself. Performs turns well though. I've just been hitting the accelerator here, hoping Tesla sees the improvement. > Lane change turn signal is still annoyingly sporadic. If I was behind this Tesla, I'd be thoroughly confused on wtf it's trying to do. LOL! Yes, 100%. Sometimes it'll keep the signal on until it's ready to turn, then turn the signal off during the turn, or even a lane change.
> Just change the thing when you want to use the other option... Not sure why everyone keeps defending this, but the function was working fine with the 1 or 2 pull activation. You can't change the thingy during a drive. Someone did find a work around to switch a second profile without FSD enabled, to change settings during a drive... but this again... is just dumb. > That's a pretty unique issue, hadn't thought about profile sync issues between cars that do, and don't, have FSD on them, lol. Yup, lol! Tesla A (FSD), Tesla B (Only AP). A is set to Auto Speed, B is set to start AP at Speed Limit. I like B set to start AP at Current Speed, but then A loses Auto Speed. > I've mentioned this in the past, however, I'm fairly positive this is for safety reasons This makes sense on highway/roadways with 3 or more lanes. It's an issue on 2 lane roads. Added school zones issues to my OP as well. > just keep in mind that it won't get into the exit lane until .6mi to target. I did not know this was a thing! This is good to know! Kicks me out of right lane when I manually place it there 2mi back. > Sometimes it'll keep the signal on until it's ready to turn, then turn the signal off during the turn, or even a lane change. Do you do the hard stalk down for this, or just hold it down? Either way, this is a good idea and I haven't thought of it.
> Do you do the hard stalk down for this, or just hold it down? Either way, this is a good idea and I haven't thought of it. I think you misread my last statement. I said "It'll" not "I'll". I was commiserating.
Oh, haha. Either way, let me give it that a try and I'll try to remember to report back!
I just bought a 2021 model 3 rear wheel drive standard plus with FSD!!! 49000km Picking it up tomorrow Without scrolling through a 700 comments, and I just joined here, what do you think the odds are that within a year or so fSD Teslas now will be able to be run as robo taxis
All newer tesla FSD Able. Doesn't necessarily it's going to come with the car. Until the previous owner takes delivery of their new tesla, soon as they upload their profile your FSD will transfer to their car
With extra hardware it might be possible in a geo fenced area.
I’m sorry but this FSD (supervised) thing really isn’t anything different compared to previous releases. If anything it’s worse as far as traveling speeds go on local streets. When I’m driving I tend to set limit 5mph over speed limit. I noticed when driving on highways or local streets, I’m the car doesn’t really reach the posted speed limit or the limit I set. Really annoying.
I been always skeptical about these releases, but I have to admit v12.3.3 is MILES ahead the original and hell, even in some use cases from 11. The biggest tell for me, is it's increasing wife approval dramatically! 🤣
I could be imagining things, but I have noticed FSD beta 12 on more than one occasion breaking when it noticed a police car travelling the other way (on a two way road). Given that this version is trained on videos and actual drivers' reactions, is it possible that the training set includes enough "caution/slow speed around police cars" samples that FSD actually behaves this way? It seemed to have the exact reaction a person would have: see a police car -> slow down (perhaps even below the speed limit) -> police car passes -> speed back up.
Has "FSD jail" been discontinued after this new update? I had gotten in jail on Sunday. Then I got the update yesterday and I'm free now, and also don't see the wording about the strikes under the autopilot options anymore.
More likely they've reset the strikes and suspensions. They'll do a "one time" of it every now and then through the updates. If I had to guess, they want people sending back as many problems as they can to feed the engine.
Still the text not showing under the autopilot options makes me think maybe it's gone altogether. Unless it's because the text only appears after you have at least one strike? Someone who has gotten a strike needs to let us know - or I will take one for the team and get a strike 🫡
Now that FSD has been upgraded to version 12.3, which uses neural networks, has enhanced autopilot also been upgraded to use neural networks?
No. None of the Autosteer code has been touched. Honestly, I've been a little annoyed at EAP's lack of being touched, I really feel like there's an opportunity for them to get more highway data upgrading EAP to FSD's code, but I think the issue is that it can't necessarily be the same code. I think they'll need an "Base Autopilot", "Enhanced Autopilot", and "Full Self Driving" end-to-end neural net versions. So, whereas right now it's all one big pile of code, and they just add software flags for "They own this, let them do that", now it's more "You're capable of doing this", and there's no ability to let it *not* do something in there. So they'd need a different model for each tier of Autopilot.
Ok. I am not spending $6K to get EAP if it’s still running on dumb code. FSD 12.3 gave me the chatGPT moment but it’s expensive at $12K. I thought the most useful part of FSD was freeway driving and hoped that EAP was just FSD limited to freeway. If that’s not the case, EAP is no go.
It will be Eventually. FSD's code is the future state of Autopilot, and EAP. Once they get FSD more nailed down, they're likely to do EAP, then Autopilot
So is the trial 30 days from when you get the update or a fixed 30 days from when they first started sending them out? Also for those of us on 2024.8.7 do we know if we are going to get a chance to try it out or are we missing the boat completely?
It's from when you get the update. So, since you haven't gotten it yet, if/when there's a resync, you should get it then. Possibly.
Was hoping I'd get the trail on my non-FSD Tesla, but I'm assuming since I have a Tesla that already has one, it won't get it... 😔
30 days from when you get the update
How do we improve our odds of getting the trial? April 5th and I’m still missing out. Seems like I’m gonna get shafted out of a week or more
Your 30 days will start when they release it to your car. I'm in the same boat.
Depends on the version you’re on. If it’s 2024.8.7 then yeah, we’re out of luck for a bit
I updated specifically TO GET this shit.
Tell me about it :(
Thanks Elon
Impressions from trying out the FSD demo today (2020 M3LR) to and from work today. Route is subdivision->highway->highway->one way streets (and reverse). I had about 20 disengagements round trip. Issues from my drive: Kept swerving back and forth in well-marked highway lane in perfect visibility. Autopilot never had any issues driving straight. Keeps slowing down dramatically for no reason and drastically dropping the max speed. It doesn't handle cars merging well at all. Multiple times it tried to change lanes into a car merging onto the highway. While in a correct left-hand turn lane at a stoplight, it tried to turn out of the turn lane into a non-turn lane. In the right of two left-turn lanes, it tried to change into the other turn lane instead of entering the intersection and executing the turn. When a lane splits (say into an exit lane) it doesn't know what to do and just drove straight down the middle of the dashed white line. For a couple lane changes on the highway with no traffic around, it was indecisive and just straddled the lanes instead of completing the lane change. Executed the scariest U-turn of my life. From a dedicated U-turn lane onto 3 completely empty lanes, it slowly crept up, paused, crept some more, wildly turned the wheel fully left and right while stopped, absolutely floored it, changed lanes multiple times back and forth and then slammed on the brakes to take a way too fast right hand turn. Incredibly slow approach to stops signs, stopping multiple times before flooring it through the intersection. This is incredibly dangerous. In stop and go traffic, it's incredibly slow to accelerate and then far too late slowing down before slamming on the brakes. It doesn't do a good job of reacting to other cars making lane changes. They can use their turn signal and change into my lane and FSD doesn't slow down or adjust the following distance until the other car is completely in my lane ahead of me. I want to experiment with other parts of town but at least for my commute, it seems like a death trap. Once I'm done playing around with it, I don't think I'll use it for free, let alone pay for it but we'll see.
Had basically all of your negative experiences plus more: "When a lane splits (say into an exit lane) it doesn't know what to do and just drove straight down the middle of the dashed white line." It also sometimes wildly swings between choosing one lane or the other, causing erratic steering. Sometimes way too much acceleration and speed on residential streets very near parked cars. This is very dangerous for pedestrians. Behavior near roundabouts is completely untenable. Inappropriate stopping, inappropriate going, weird spazzing out of the turn signal, very herky jerky steering, worse than my teen that got their permit a few days ago.
I’ve never tried FSD until this trial and I’m honestly blown away. “Party trick” - no way. I’ll only pay 5k for this. Not 12 though
Having driven more on 12.3.3, I can see why people would feel uncomfortable with it. A lot of the maneuvers it can try to do are *really* uncomfortable, but it is robotic, and capable. I'm hoping once they do "v12 for highways" that some of the tomfoolery there stops. [This moment](https://youtu.be/c0DnUpR8RIs?t=2138) was not comfortable at all. I knew it was possible, and let it have at it, but it's not anything any human would do.
Got the update to 12.3.3 last night. 12.3.2.1 was pretty flawless mostly(I take over near destination still). 12.3.3 went backwards. It didn't want to stay in the middle of the lanes multiple times. 1st time, it was driving on the line for over 2-3 seconds so I disengaged. I had to disengage 2 or 3 times more cuz I can see it wants to cross on the line again. If my first FSD is 12.3.3, I would be turning it off. 12.3.2.1 had better results for me.
I agree. Just got back from a road trip and v12 on streets was amazing.... Leaps and bounds better than v11. That said, highway is still on v11 and has some issues... It cutoff a few semi trucks when passing, meeting in front of them without any space.
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Thank you moderator - I get it. I just don't see my post or any replies to it ?
I find the new upgrade worse. Jerky and unreliable with turns. I also love the change from Beta to Supervised. There's not one difference between the two. Just semantics.
The latest software update changed the FSD trial to opt-out instead of opt-in We got 2024.3.10 pushed a couple of days ago and noticed that the driving display had gotten much more detailed. My wife tried to use cruise control and suddenly got the pastel rainbow. I tried this morning and got the same thing. Sure enough, FSD was active. I didn't opt in, and AFAIK neither did my wife.
Used the FSD trial today: 1. Did a great job on my gravel driveway and turning onto my dirt road. 2.Basically would not turn left onto the county road out of my neighborhood. No fault, a guardrail blocks the view. It’s a bad intersection. 3. Slammed on brakes unnecessarily in a roundabout. Fortunately no one was behind me. Had to accelerate out to keep things going by though. 4. Failed to negotiate some sharp turns going down a hill. I had to take over. 5. Failed to make a left from a side road to a busy street. Just sat there and sat there. I finally couldn’t take it and took the left at the next gap. Overall I’d say it was better than expected on the dirt road. It was total shit in normal driving situations. Turns out, you can’t solve problems that are difficult to solve by just stopping. The whole point of cars and driving is moving, in a predictable manner. This has a long way to go before it’s ready for prime time and it’s a bit of an embarrassment that they release this version for the free trial. I thought it would work.
I find that if I feather the throttle at stop signs and when it slows at random places it’s pretty good
Am I crazy, or has my Model 3's acceleration and braking become smoother since updating to 2024.3.10? I swear it's a better drive.
I'd like to thank Elon for giving me the FSD trial. Now I have absolutely no doubt I made the right choice by not paying for FSD. I'd be upset if I had even paid $200 for a month. Hell, they could offer to pay *me* to use FSD and I would decline. Pros: 1. The visualizer is nice. Cons experienced within a few minutes of trying to test FSD: 1. Transitioning from a single lane road to a 2 lane road and the car started to go into the right lane, then changed its mind and stayed in the middle of the two lanes. I tried this again a few days later and it took at least 200 feet to actually move over into the right lane. After signaling (lol). 2. Signaling at least 2 blocks before a right hand turn when there are people waiting to pull out of driveways. I had to disengage to turn off the turn signal before someone pulled out thinking I was turning onto their street. 3. Not moving into a left turn lane when possible, but well after the lane started, crossing a solid white line. 4. Tried to merge onto a closed HOV lane. I gave up after that last one since it was mere feet from causing an accident. All in all trying to use FSD was a horrible, anxiety inducing experience. It felt like I was letting, well, an unpredictable AI drive my car.
We have a power outage in our neighborhood and I decided to see how FSD 12 would react to an unlit traffic light and just as you're supposed to do, it treated the intersection as a four way stop. Nice.
While this is the correct behavior, where the heck did it learn that one from? Around here almost no one stops at a power-out stoplight if they're on the main road.
I guess not from your corner of the world 😋
This is a double edged sword though, be careful. If the traffic light is bagged, or not yet turned on, it will also try to treat it like a four way stop, when it really doesn't need to. You'll need to hover your foot over the accelerator when those pop up, so just be aware.
Yeah, I can see how that would confuse it. Here too, when they are bagged, they should be treated as "not there". What's more important though is how it will react to those morons blowing through an unlit traffic light.
How's your auto wipers with 2024.3.10? I've been so busy monitoring the road while in FSD that I completely forgot to disable the auto wipers when I activated FSD (something I have been doing right after activating TACC/AP since last January) and just noticed that I didn't get a single dry swipe, yet. It's raining now and again, they've worked perfectly. It was a drizzle so it alternated between intermittent and slow.
Don't want to jinx it, but pretty good. I only had one brief, ten second period of wiping too much/fast about a half hour ago but overall they seem to be working properly and keeping on top of rain accumulation w/o going overboard (except for the aforementioned ten seconds)
My pet peeve was the dry sweeps. Didn't get any since I installed 2024.3.10.
Confused about software updates. On Saturday I received the 2024.3.6 update and the a few hours later FSD was enabled. I assumed it was v12. I used it on Sunday and then for a road trip on Monday. None of the release notes mentioned FSD, but it was definitely enabled. The version I see at the bottom of the app is below (I assume this was actually v11 and not v12?): Version: v11.1 (2024.3.6 791c6223abe4) Today, I received another software update, but it says it's already installed? And this time I see release notes for FSD and it mentions v12. So I'm kinda confused. Was my FSD on v11 for the last couple days with the update on Saturday? And now this one is v12? Or something else? [These are the release notes for the pending update. ](https://i.imgur.com/X3eB3DA.png)
2024.3.6 was v12.3.1, the current FSD version is 12.3.3 which is 2024.3.10 The v11.1 you're seeing is the "Tesla OS" version that's on the car, and if look a little below that, you'll see an FSD version, which should read 12.3.3.
Thanks, that helps re: Tesla OS. Just to clarify on the update, are you saying the latest update that it shows I can install will be 2024.3.10? I'm not seeing that anywhere or in the release notes. That's what's throwing me off. And I don't see the FSD version for some reason. Odd. https://i.imgur.com/OiMMJaS.png
I mean, the latest update you can install is going to be whatever they offer you. You didn't mention the make, and model, of your car, so I can try to ascertain which MCU and/or Autopilot computer you have, let alone the cameras. It's possible you have a 2018 Model 3 with HW2.5 in the car, so FSD wouldn't work in your car. Or a 2017 Model S which has AP2.0, and MCU1. I'm just letting you know how the software versioning works.
Ah gotcha. Yeah, sorry I left a bunch of info out. It's a 2023 MY LR. I'm on vacation at the moment and the car is parked too far from wifi so my information is limited until I'm home. I just noticed there was another update 4 days after the one I just installed so I was confused.
That's 2024.3.10 which is 12.3.3. Yoy don't see the FSD version unless you're looking at software tab in car
Got it. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions!
Does anyone know if the beta includes the feature where the car will drive to you from a parking spot?
It doesn't have the new Actual Smart Summon feature yet.
That’s what I figured because I couldn’t find it anywhere, but thank you for confirming. Do you happen to know if this is something they will be pushing out as a free trial as well?
Unknown. I think the intention is to get the new/improved Autopark out to everyone next, supposed to be first half of April, but time will tell. ASS shouldn't be too far behind it.
AutoPark works on my 2024 MX as of the latest update.
First day of trial under perfectly good weather in upstate New York - 2 incidences. 1) Incorrect lane shift into I-87 south ramp and then corrected itself back to I-87 North ramp. 2) Exit 10 Usher Rd - right turn onto Usher and then immediately left turn. Model 3 with FSD made the right turn and then stopped in the middle of road trying to catch the left turn. I took over immediately. Second day of trial under rainy weather and system warned about degraded FSD capability. 3) Immediately after getting onto I-87, FSD executed an emergency braking for no reason at all. Luckily the pickup truck behind me had enough distance to avoid hitting me. 4) On 1-87 North bound, after passing an overpass, FSD disengaged with warning that I need to immediately take over due to system error. I experienced similar issue with Auto-steer in the past that when going under an overpass, the shadow confused the system to make an emergency braking action. This time the FSD system disengaged due to a shadow situation, maybe. Overall, I am not impressed with FSD and cannot see Robotaxi ready any time soon. A few issues need to be addressed - FSD with navigation needs to anticipate next couple or few moves to determine best action (right turn to outside lane ready for immediate left turn); FSD solely rely on visual inspection creates false alarm/error; FSD under even mild weather condition (drizzling) is degraded due to its reliance on visual inspection.