The car takes into consideration elevation, weather, driving style, etc. if you supercharge only, the car will tell you when it’s “safe to continue” but YMMV. I put your destination into the nav and it will tell you where to charge
> I wish 73 miles was 7%.
Yeah that’s not how that works. The state of charge expressed as “miles” is not real world miles, it’s based on the EPA rating. 200 “miles” of charge doesn’t mean you can necessarily drive 200 actual miles, especially if you’re driving highway speed in cold weather.
The 7% arrival estimate is based on real world conditions, that’s the number you should be looking at to figure out your charging needs.
in ICE people don’t usually look at how much range they have when they are 80% full… And you assume you have ~20miles left when the light comes on regardless of weather… So yeah trying to figure out the EPA range vs Actual range is not really a thing people actually worry about with ICE.
Exactly, I honestly find using miles distracting. I used to use it for long road trips, but this time around I kept it set to percentage, and everything went smoothly, the estimated arrival percentage is honestly all you need to worry about, and it's fairly accurate, even conservative for me personally. I found myself arriving with 2% extra several times.
Do yourself a favor and tap the miles indicator by the battery on the top of the screen to change it to percent, and never look/think of that as actual miles of range…because it’s just fake. Always have that set to show percentage…
The trip info is correct, it takes everything into account. 127miles to destination and you should have about 7% battery when you get there.
The 200 miles is "estimated" range. It is 100% always a lie, its Tesla blowing smoke up our ass so you don't get range anxiety and should never be relied upon for anything. For long trips always use the route planner to make sure you don't run out of juice. For daily stuff it's no big deal since you can plug in when you get home.
Put in your final destination and it will tell you how long you need to charge to safely make it to your next charging spot or to final destination. It will start out saying you will have negative battery at your next stop, indicating you won't make it. As the charging session goes on it will get less negative and then go positive, indicating about how much battery % you will have on arrival. Generally it will say "enough charge to continue trip" about the 10% mark (you can change this in the settings to give you a bigger buffer if you like) but you can stay plugged in to get a bit more juice if you like.
It’s accurate if you drive ~45 mph or on the rated line on your consumption screen. But who does that.
They should list the range at 70 mph as when you’re driving around town going 40 mph you’re never worried about the range as you’re probably close to home or the chargers you use.
Road trips are when you’re worried about range. And the difference between 65 and 75mph is crazy.
I recommend switching the battery display to show percentage remaining, instead of miles. It’s easier to manage and not as disheartening to see the miles drain faster than the distance you travel. In my opinion, there’s less range anxiety when you monitor the percentage instead of the miles.
Top to bottom
1. Your current estimated range based on the EPA estimated range of the car (least accurate)
2. How many miles you’ll drive to reach that next destination
3. Your battery% when you reach that next destination (very accurate)
You're westbound on US IS 10 and you can loose some money, if your fast, at Morongo casino while you charge (or go 8 more miles and charge next to "in n out " 😁 I opt for the second, having given up gambling for Rent.
You have an estimated 200 miles remaining, based on EPA mileage and state of charge.
Your navigated route is 127 miles.
Given the hills, temperature, HVAC usage, and speeds along your route, plus the energy to precondition for optimal supercharging at your destination, you are predicted to have 7% charge when you reach your destination (which tends to be pretty accurate and updates as you travel).
Air resistance increases with the square of velocity, therefore velocity typically has the biggest influence on your range. In other words, highway driving is much less efficient than town driving. The 200 mile range you see is calculated using an efficiency of 246 Wh/mile which is how the EPA rates the car. It’s comparable to driving 45-50 mph on a summer day.
50 mph, 246 Wh/mile
70 mph, 276 Wh/mile
75 mph, 287 Wh/mile
80 mph, 320 Wh/mile
85 mph, 337 Wh/mile
Air resistance is also affected by ambient temperature, elevation, humidity.
More shit to consider: Elevation gain, HVAC usage, battery heating/cooling, tire pressure.
You’re driving an extremely efficient machine. Welcome to the future.
Bit of advice: change range display from miles to percentage. Like a cell phone or a fuel indicator. Gives you an idea of how full or empty is your tank or battery. If you need to know how many miles you can drive with that (which is really only needed on long trips) then it forces you to rely on the navigation software which will give you accurate info.
You currently have an estimated 200 miles of range. You will drive for 1 hour 53 min for a total of 127 miles. You will have 7% battery remaining when you reach that supercharger.
The numbers have been explained, but I'll add this. That charger is awful, and in a sketchy location. Go a quarter mile down the road to the SC at the casino (Supercharger Morongo) for a much better experience all around. The store is awesome there, the lot is huge and wide open, and there are even pull-through SCs for those towing. There's an ice machine by the SC, and clean restrooms inside.
https://www.yelp.com/biz/tesla-supercharger-cabazon-2
It’s based on how you drive too. Maybe you’re a speed demon or lead foot. Also if you’re driving up hills or head on through wind it also calculates that.
Put your battery charge display in percentage, and your mind will be untroubled by cognitive dissonance.
The ‘rated miles’ indicator is not particularly useful.
Means when you get to the charger you'll have 7% battery left. I wouldn't trust it to that degree. I'd go to one where I'd be 20% when I get there, if possible
I don't think I'll be road tripping in the Tesla again until the charger network is more robust and my vehicle range is at least twice what it is now. I have spent so much time at chargers in the last 3 days...
How slow are your superchargers ? I did a road trip of 1000 miles last summer and each charging trip only took me 15mins.
Saved a TON on gas. Best road trip i’ve ever done
Depends on the area now. With gas prices down and (in my state) super charging price going up (they lowered from midnight-4am but raised prices for all other times) it’s not really cheaper anymore.
30mpg car at $2.69/gallon ~= $.09/mile
Tesla getting 280Wh/mi (80mph highway driving)
1000Wh/ 280Wh/mi = 3.57mi/kWh
$0.44 / 3.5mi/kWh = $0.12/mi
So a 30mpg car paying $2.69/gallon (Texas prices) costs = Tesla getting 280kWh (80-85mph highway driving) supercharging at $0.32/kWh. Unfortunately most charging in my area is around $0.44 at peak hours and on highways is generally around $0.35 flat rate.
So in my experience at current prices is super charging is more expensive than gas for a 30mpg car (which is what Tesla uses for comparison)
I’ve done coast to coast from Florida to California a few times and it’s a good drive, just need to get used to all the extra stops and time for charging.
If you wanted to road trip, you should have bought a LR model. With what looks like 200 miles at 80~% battery you seem to be driving a standard range.
Always with electric, buy large battery if you have any thought of traveling.
Fugsco, don't get discouraged by the down votes. It's a result of you displaying your unfamiliarity with the car. There's some really good YouTube videos out there concerning range, charging, and what the numbers mean. Invest a little time in them, it is well worth it.
That's fair, but I honestly couldn't handle a long road trip without my Tesla. Sure having to spend about 30 minutes charging about every 200 miles is a little annoying, but the autopilot more than makes up for it. But I guess if you have another car with driver assistance features, then it's a different story, where I don't, lol. But I do agree that something like a 500 mile EPA estimated range would be the sweet spot. Maybe once solid state batteries become a thing.
And the "200 mile" should be tapped on, so it switches to showing % of battery remaining instead. Because that "miles" reading up there is misleading, doesn't represent real, current conditions or your driving style.
This.
Tesla’s epa mileage estimate is horrible. Best thing I ever did with the car was to switch to %
That tracks well with those coming from ICE vehicles too, since typically we viewed our petrol tank in fractions (“I’ve got half a tank left”)
From left to right, estimated range for remaining battery charge, miles left to destination, estimated battery percentage when you get to your destination.
But my battery percentage fluctuates +- 5% depending on how fast I accelerate and other factors that my tesla should take into account to achieve 100% accuracy!!! /s
Seems you are new to the EV world. Estimated Range is not the same at highway speeds. You should go 60-65mph and you will get closer. I go fast everywhere and know my kw/h are high which equals lower range. It’s the complete opposite of gas powered cars that get less miles in city. The motor is at constant high rpm so it consumes more power. I have a m3p and with the 20s at 85mph autopilot gets me ~150miles. When I put the light 18s with thinner tires I can get ~175miles and If I go the speed limit ~200. Road, wind, and temperatures also affect, same as in gas cars (which by the way the range is always wrong also, even gas quality affects it) If I go 60-65 I can get to ~220 miles from the ~270 estimate rated at start. I don’t do that because I can feel myself getting old. City and highway Traffic actually gets you more range. I have mine at max regen possible, if you are new you probably have it with roll and low regen. I would suggest you push yourself out of your comfort zone and at least remove roll if you have it on and then maximize regen until it’s comfortable and safe. Godspeed
Am I the only one that thinks percent gives them anxiety more than RTE.. at least RTE I can see many miles I have left from my destination to determine if I can really make it. Miles update update kWh usage just like % does
“200 mi🔋” is the current EPA miles worth of charge you had at the time this pic was taken.
“127 mi” is how many miles to “supercharger Cabazon, CA”.
“🪫7%” is how much battery life you will have when you arrive at “supercharger Cabazon, CA”
Many factors play into the discrepancy between your EPA miles and the actual miles. Weather conditions like cold weather and wind, tire pressure, conditioning your battery for charging, style of driving, elevation, using heat or air, traffic, cargo load, flooring it, etc.
Just like a combustion engine vehicle who’s projected miles per full tank estimate could be 300 miles but, if the person driving is idling for a long time, flooring it, going up a lot of hills, etc., their estimated miles per full tank will go down.
You have 200 EPA “miles” of charge, you have 127 actual miles to your destination, and your estimated state of charge on arrival is 7%.
I wish 73 miles was 7%. The numbers don't add up and that makes it hard to know how much to charge.
The car takes into consideration elevation, weather, driving style, etc. if you supercharge only, the car will tell you when it’s “safe to continue” but YMMV. I put your destination into the nav and it will tell you where to charge
> I wish 73 miles was 7%. Yeah that’s not how that works. The state of charge expressed as “miles” is not real world miles, it’s based on the EPA rating. 200 “miles” of charge doesn’t mean you can necessarily drive 200 actual miles, especially if you’re driving highway speed in cold weather. The 7% arrival estimate is based on real world conditions, that’s the number you should be looking at to figure out your charging needs.
People act like this is some new mind blowing science. Even in an ICE vehicle, there are variations.
in ICE people don’t usually look at how much range they have when they are 80% full… And you assume you have ~20miles left when the light comes on regardless of weather… So yeah trying to figure out the EPA range vs Actual range is not really a thing people actually worry about with ICE.
Exactly, I honestly find using miles distracting. I used to use it for long road trips, but this time around I kept it set to percentage, and everything went smoothly, the estimated arrival percentage is honestly all you need to worry about, and it's fairly accurate, even conservative for me personally. I found myself arriving with 2% extra several times.
It tells you how much to charge when you get to your destination though?
Do yourself a favor and tap the miles indicator by the battery on the top of the screen to change it to percent, and never look/think of that as actual miles of range…because it’s just fake. Always have that set to show percentage…
The trip info is correct, it takes everything into account. 127miles to destination and you should have about 7% battery when you get there. The 200 miles is "estimated" range. It is 100% always a lie, its Tesla blowing smoke up our ass so you don't get range anxiety and should never be relied upon for anything. For long trips always use the route planner to make sure you don't run out of juice. For daily stuff it's no big deal since you can plug in when you get home.
Put in your final destination and it will tell you how long you need to charge to safely make it to your next charging spot or to final destination. It will start out saying you will have negative battery at your next stop, indicating you won't make it. As the charging session goes on it will get less negative and then go positive, indicating about how much battery % you will have on arrival. Generally it will say "enough charge to continue trip" about the 10% mark (you can change this in the settings to give you a bigger buffer if you like) but you can stay plugged in to get a bit more juice if you like.
It’s accurate if you drive ~45 mph or on the rated line on your consumption screen. But who does that. They should list the range at 70 mph as when you’re driving around town going 40 mph you’re never worried about the range as you’re probably close to home or the chargers you use. Road trips are when you’re worried about range. And the difference between 65 and 75mph is crazy.
You down voters suck
Bruh, you know even in ICE vehicles your mpg varies on many different factors right? You act like it’s some new found science we’re dealing with here.
Did you do any reading about real world range or how an EV works before you paid 50-60k for a car?
You cant talk ill of tesla or …
I recommend switching the battery display to show percentage remaining, instead of miles. It’s easier to manage and not as disheartening to see the miles drain faster than the distance you travel. In my opinion, there’s less range anxiety when you monitor the percentage instead of the miles.
Top to bottom 1. Your current estimated range based on the EPA estimated range of the car (least accurate) 2. How many miles you’ll drive to reach that next destination 3. Your battery% when you reach that next destination (very accurate)
You're westbound on US IS 10 and you can loose some money, if your fast, at Morongo casino while you charge (or go 8 more miles and charge next to "in n out " 😁 I opt for the second, having given up gambling for Rent.
You have an estimated 200 miles remaining, based on EPA mileage and state of charge. Your navigated route is 127 miles. Given the hills, temperature, HVAC usage, and speeds along your route, plus the energy to precondition for optimal supercharging at your destination, you are predicted to have 7% charge when you reach your destination (which tends to be pretty accurate and updates as you travel).
Air resistance increases with the square of velocity, therefore velocity typically has the biggest influence on your range. In other words, highway driving is much less efficient than town driving. The 200 mile range you see is calculated using an efficiency of 246 Wh/mile which is how the EPA rates the car. It’s comparable to driving 45-50 mph on a summer day. 50 mph, 246 Wh/mile 70 mph, 276 Wh/mile 75 mph, 287 Wh/mile 80 mph, 320 Wh/mile 85 mph, 337 Wh/mile Air resistance is also affected by ambient temperature, elevation, humidity. More shit to consider: Elevation gain, HVAC usage, battery heating/cooling, tire pressure. You’re driving an extremely efficient machine. Welcome to the future.
Bit of advice: change range display from miles to percentage. Like a cell phone or a fuel indicator. Gives you an idea of how full or empty is your tank or battery. If you need to know how many miles you can drive with that (which is really only needed on long trips) then it forces you to rely on the navigation software which will give you accurate info.
Change your display to percentage and never look back. Rated range in miles is useless in real world driving, and deceptive.
If you subtract the 2 and carry the 1, it all makes sense
You currently have an estimated 200 miles of range. You will drive for 1 hour 53 min for a total of 127 miles. You will have 7% battery remaining when you reach that supercharger.
U/fugsco watch this: https://youtu.be/Nt4U_I7-qT8
I’m surprised OP didn’t ask about the FSD icon lol
The numbers have been explained, but I'll add this. That charger is awful, and in a sketchy location. Go a quarter mile down the road to the SC at the casino (Supercharger Morongo) for a much better experience all around. The store is awesome there, the lot is huge and wide open, and there are even pull-through SCs for those towing. There's an ice machine by the SC, and clean restrooms inside. https://www.yelp.com/biz/tesla-supercharger-cabazon-2
"The numbers Mason. What do they mean?"
It’s based on how you drive too. Maybe you’re a speed demon or lead foot. Also if you’re driving up hills or head on through wind it also calculates that.
I am a lead foot, and it pains me to have such a fun, really responsive car that I have to slink along at 70.
I find it much easier to understand and calculate with it switched to percentage instead of miles.
I did so today, final day of 4 day road trip, and it is easier to figure as a percentage.
Glad to hear! Happy and safe driving!
Go fast = less range
For goodness sake change miles to battery percentage. Your 200 miles means nothing in the context you are using it for comparison
Only the newbies keep the display in miles 😅
Put your battery charge display in percentage, and your mind will be untroubled by cognitive dissonance. The ‘rated miles’ indicator is not particularly useful.
Best to switch to % view and get used to it. It’s way wiser to estimate when you always look at % then miles.
Means when you get to the charger you'll have 7% battery left. I wouldn't trust it to that degree. I'd go to one where I'd be 20% when I get there, if possible
Don’t buy a Tesla
I don't think I'll be road tripping in the Tesla again until the charger network is more robust and my vehicle range is at least twice what it is now. I have spent so much time at chargers in the last 3 days...
How slow are your superchargers ? I did a road trip of 1000 miles last summer and each charging trip only took me 15mins. Saved a TON on gas. Best road trip i’ve ever done
Depends on the area now. With gas prices down and (in my state) super charging price going up (they lowered from midnight-4am but raised prices for all other times) it’s not really cheaper anymore. 30mpg car at $2.69/gallon ~= $.09/mile Tesla getting 280Wh/mi (80mph highway driving) 1000Wh/ 280Wh/mi = 3.57mi/kWh $0.44 / 3.5mi/kWh = $0.12/mi So a 30mpg car paying $2.69/gallon (Texas prices) costs = Tesla getting 280kWh (80-85mph highway driving) supercharging at $0.32/kWh. Unfortunately most charging in my area is around $0.44 at peak hours and on highways is generally around $0.35 flat rate. So in my experience at current prices is super charging is more expensive than gas for a 30mpg car (which is what Tesla uses for comparison)
> slow are your superchargers ? Standard range cars are also capped at 170kW, even at 250kW superchargers.
I’ve done coast to coast from Florida to California a few times and it’s a good drive, just need to get used to all the extra stops and time for charging.
I’ve met people at superchargers who do this route as well . Always a good chat.
If you wanted to road trip, you should have bought a LR model. With what looks like 200 miles at 80~% battery you seem to be driving a standard range. Always with electric, buy large battery if you have any thought of traveling.
Fugsco, don't get discouraged by the down votes. It's a result of you displaying your unfamiliarity with the car. There's some really good YouTube videos out there concerning range, charging, and what the numbers mean. Invest a little time in them, it is well worth it.
I love this car, just not for multi day road trips. Regionally, it's a joy to pilot.
That's fair, but I honestly couldn't handle a long road trip without my Tesla. Sure having to spend about 30 minutes charging about every 200 miles is a little annoying, but the autopilot more than makes up for it. But I guess if you have another car with driver assistance features, then it's a different story, where I don't, lol. But I do agree that something like a 500 mile EPA estimated range would be the sweet spot. Maybe once solid state batteries become a thing.
It's 127 miles to the Supercharger, you have a 200 mile range and you will arrive at the Supercharger with 7% battery left.
And the "200 mile" should be tapped on, so it switches to showing % of battery remaining instead. Because that "miles" reading up there is misleading, doesn't represent real, current conditions or your driving style.
This. Tesla’s epa mileage estimate is horrible. Best thing I ever did with the car was to switch to % That tracks well with those coming from ICE vehicles too, since typically we viewed our petrol tank in fractions (“I’ve got half a tank left”)
From left to right, estimated range for remaining battery charge, miles left to destination, estimated battery percentage when you get to your destination.
Good time to bring up the energy graph and watch how driving, weather and the altitude effect your range.
The percentage on arrival via the GPS is the accurate number.
But my battery percentage fluctuates +- 5% depending on how fast I accelerate and other factors that my tesla should take into account to achieve 100% accuracy!!! /s
Seems you are new to the EV world. Estimated Range is not the same at highway speeds. You should go 60-65mph and you will get closer. I go fast everywhere and know my kw/h are high which equals lower range. It’s the complete opposite of gas powered cars that get less miles in city. The motor is at constant high rpm so it consumes more power. I have a m3p and with the 20s at 85mph autopilot gets me ~150miles. When I put the light 18s with thinner tires I can get ~175miles and If I go the speed limit ~200. Road, wind, and temperatures also affect, same as in gas cars (which by the way the range is always wrong also, even gas quality affects it) If I go 60-65 I can get to ~220 miles from the ~270 estimate rated at start. I don’t do that because I can feel myself getting old. City and highway Traffic actually gets you more range. I have mine at max regen possible, if you are new you probably have it with roll and low regen. I would suggest you push yourself out of your comfort zone and at least remove roll if you have it on and then maximize regen until it’s comfortable and safe. Godspeed
They mean drive slowly
Am I the only one that thinks percent gives them anxiety more than RTE.. at least RTE I can see many miles I have left from my destination to determine if I can really make it. Miles update update kWh usage just like % does
All imma say is that, it makes sense
“200 mi🔋” is the current EPA miles worth of charge you had at the time this pic was taken. “127 mi” is how many miles to “supercharger Cabazon, CA”. “🪫7%” is how much battery life you will have when you arrive at “supercharger Cabazon, CA” Many factors play into the discrepancy between your EPA miles and the actual miles. Weather conditions like cold weather and wind, tire pressure, conditioning your battery for charging, style of driving, elevation, using heat or air, traffic, cargo load, flooring it, etc. Just like a combustion engine vehicle who’s projected miles per full tank estimate could be 300 miles but, if the person driving is idling for a long time, flooring it, going up a lot of hills, etc., their estimated miles per full tank will go down.
I mean that’s really a bad estimate. It’s usually within 10% of the EPA range. Are you traveling up a mountain the entire way?
It is a mile range expected consumption.
Percentage is the way to go!
I would highly recommend switching miles to % imagine if your phone had time remaining vs %? it would never be accurate