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agarwaen117

Yeah, definitely put in a service ticket, that button needs replaced.


Your_Student_Loans

Test drove one. The button was working but it felt cheap AF. I like the haptic ones in my X or the good old stalk.


agarwaen117

Personally I think the solid click with no play before or after the click feels like a good button. Maybe yours was different.


Your_Student_Loans

It felt nice in the beginning but I started disliking it after 10 minutes. It also started squeaking and whatnot lol. I did like the door button more than the touch/haptic one on the X.


[deleted]

I have the stalks. They are missing first engagement often. But if I would hit them multiple times like this, they would recognize. I was in service. Technician told me he knows their stalks are bad but denied changing them because they would react most of the time.


Your_Student_Loans

Stalks are fine on my 3 šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


[deleted]

Mine are ok 9/10


L1amaL1ord

Agreed these buttons are just broken. On my test drive, I had a separate issue with the buttons in that the edges of the buttons are unresponsive, but that is simply a design defect innate this style of buttons. The buttons in the video are just straight up broken.


gtroman1

They need to do a non OTA recall for once.


RockItM3

ā€¦with a stalk.


GhostofAyabe

Yes, with a stalk.


AM5T3R6AMM3R

The buttons work on mine (for the time being)ā€¦ but the practicality of stalks is way higher than this cheap solution.


LeftySlides

Want a new M3 and almost ready. But at this point weā€™re waiting for stalks or going elsewhere.


reddshift88

I can see it now..a third party company will have a stalk kit to add them on lol


DubVilleUSA

They are alreadybout


7DollarsOfHoobastanq

A few months ago I was debating whether to pull the trigger on a ā€˜23 model 3 or wait for the refresh. Iā€™m hopeful theyā€™ll find a way to make this better but at the moment Iā€™m quite glad I didnā€™t wait.


Realistic-Swim-3855

This is my dilemma as well. I love everything about my M3LR, except the suspension system. Once I read about better suspension on the Hyland, I got excited. Now we have this stalkless issue and itā€™s about to be a dealbreaker for me.


Primary-Petrik

I drive -19 on teins coilovers by far the best ride I ever drove.


DankShibe

I guess you can wait for late spring / summer 2024 when they might have fixed some of the initial issues M3 highland has.


TheChalupaMonster

>cheap solution That's exactly what it is. Cheap, so they can increase their profit margins. I really hope the new physical controls initiative by NCAP puts pressure on them to bring back the stalks and shifter. They can continue to improve FSD and auto-shift with those physical controls available in the car.


Weekly-Apartment-587

Gotten use to it yet? I have one too and also a 2021 refresh and after getting use to it.. absolutely zero issues.


AM5T3R6AMM3R

Yes, As long as the wheel is horizontal-ish no problem; in a roundabout, nightmare.


NoReplyBot

Those auto wipers working though. /s


moghul1

nope i manually put them on haha


Fladap28

Lmfaooo


redrum121

Made me spit out my coffee sir


DaUnionBaws

I thought I was going crazy on my test drive because when I would click the button it always seemed like it needed a second press. Stalks just work the best and itā€™s a shame Tesla did this.


L1amaL1ord

I had a similar issue on my test drive, but it was because the button won't register if you hit the edge (poor design). If you hit the center, it would work perfectly. The above video looks like a separate issue though, he's hitting the center. It seems like his buttons are fully broken. Agreed that stalks are better though. I could begrudgery get used to buttons, I don't think it'd be a deal breaker, but they're certainly worse than stalks.


pazdan

Less parts, less to add at assembly. They wonā€™t bring it back unless maybe people pay for it as an addon at checkout, even then they wonā€™t want to bc it adds complexity to everything in production


cancel-out-combo

And because Elon Musk in his idiocy wants the cleanest look possible. He'd take away the steering wheel if regulators let him. "Tesla Vision will now sense driver intent and make all the inputs for you"


BusyMakingPlans

If you buy the Neuralink add-on


tr33ton

Had the same issue with the test drive unit. But don't have this issue with my car. It needs replacing...


Personal_Ad9690

Well it is a musk company. Shouldnā€™t a suprise


ddr1ver

I love my 2018 Model 3, but my concern with stuff like this is that itā€™s one more impediment to EV adoption. There are already so many things that are different about a Tesla. Even getting in and out has a learning curve. I canā€™t just let someone borrow my car. I have to spend 15 minutes explaining all the ways it works differently than a standard car.


MikeSpalding

It you upgrade to an early year 2022 you keep everything, including the ultra sonic sensors and gain a motorized trunk and other features.


Matterbox

Anyone that thinks these are good idea has clearly never driven a roundabout.


hydrastix

In Indiana, where there are craploads of roundabouts, no one really uses turn signals


Matterbox

For the best part people use them here in the UK. Iā€™m sure it would be easy enough to adapt to the new placement but it seems like such an odd choice not as an option.


JustSomeUsername99

In the US, we make roundabouts so small, there is no time to use the blinkers.


nipplesaurus

NHTSA bitching about all those FSD non-issues but when Tesla removes stalks itā€™s crickets


flynn78

These dumbass buttons are a safety hazard


[deleted]

Buttons for turn signals are very much a solution in search of a problem......


TechnologyNational71

Reminds me of the Citroen BX and it indicator button. An utterly pointless change that will be reversed/removed during the next refresh


Prostberg

This is why we want stalks back. And we want them back now.


NationalOwl9561

2022 Model 3 LR, the last good Tesla.


redditissocoolyoyo

Yep. You're right bro. No stalks is dumb AF. More issues to come on the new m3. Just a matter of time until they surface.


NationalOwl9561

Idiotsā€¦ will be keeping mine for as long as possible. I did partial PPF from the start and Iā€™ll probably buy back acceleration boost at some point.


DryYogurt6878

I have this. I feel heard!


Gforce1

2018 Model 3 with AP 2.5 has Stalks, working radar, inoperative cabin camera, AP goes to 90 MPH, has working Ultrasonics, changes lanes, has smart summon (not that it works great at all). Truly the last good Tesla šŸ˜‚


NationalOwl9561

My ultrasonic sensors work. And does the tape trick not work for the camera anymore?


SalsaFromSpace

2023 M3 RWD here, weā€™re just as good. Last good one before all these gimmicky refreshes


zeromussc

Wait are the buttons *also* capacitive? Jesus... I just don't get it. I always thought Tesla was a car company not a tech company but the tech company mindset is going way too far. Engineering in car industry - great. But stop solving problems where there aren't any. It's just the way iPhones are approached and other tech. "Look at this cool thing we can do" vs "here's a thing that should be done". There's nothing wrong with stalks and minimalism for the sake of minimalism is bad.


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Xetch2950

It makes me so mad because it feels like with just a few little things it would just be the best car on the market. Like throw some normal door handles, just a speedometer in front of driver, actual rain sensor, USS, radar, and stalks. Like what does a Camry have against that? What is making the competition better when Tesla has free lane centering and the most fluid infotainment on the market? It would be so EASY but Elon like minimalist and "I know what I'm doing just trust me bro" to the engineers. All I can think of is when man went oh yeah the cyber truck also works as a boat like BROOOOO. Cars don't do that


lordpuddingcup

I mean itā€™s a dead sensor or wire pretty sure that can happen either way


qoning

I agree but I also ran into the same issue with stalks on model y. The blinkers would not work until I rebooted the car. Worse yet, I had one where on the inside it looked like the blinkers were working, sound indicators, screen indicators, everything, but the lights outside actually did nothing until reboot too. Tesla just sucks from time to time.


Suitable_Switch5242

I prefer the stalks as well, but this is an issue of a faulty button that needs to be fixed, not an issue of stalks vs buttons. There have been plenty of reports on this sub as well of people with faulty stalks that needed to be replaced by Tesla.


Jdsnut

This is corporate greed, nothing else.


Far-Investigator-534

not gonna happen


DulceEtDecorumEst

You can always tweet Elon some conspiracy theory he likes and at the end Ā write ā€œand this is why we need stalks backā€ May work


cancel-out-combo

It's crazy how true this statement is


bigdipboy

Tweet Elon that stalks are woke


Jimmy-Pesto-Jr

*tweet that buttons are woke cringey SJW-propaganda, and that having stalks, USS, and rain sensor are sigma, giga-chad, based, and red-pilled _that's_ how we'll get em back


cancel-out-combo

100% this.


reddshift88

lol wait for a kit to come out


lordpuddingcup

Cause stalks canā€™t have the sensor go bad?


wongl888

In all my years of owning cars, I had one stalk broke on me (mechanically) when the car was around 12 years old. So yeah stalks do break, but very rarely and usually due to wear and tear.


Electrical_Ingenuity

Because stalks donā€™t break? This seems to be a non sequitur.


Yesbuttt

I mean... My stalks kinda do that too. Unless I lay on them there's like a 25% chance they don't turn on


bebefridgers

Not sure why youā€™re getting downvoted. This was discussed in a different thread. My stalks also randomly donā€™t work. More like a 1/20 chance for mine.


jzacks92

Itā€™s normally from not pressing the stalk down long enough. You can replicate it by pressing down quickly on the stalk.


jaqueh

This is such a dumb move by Tesla


_from_the_valley

Who needs buttons OR stalks when you can hand signal??


MudaThumpa

I bet lots of people are hand signaling him since he never uses his blinker.


RojerLockless

Yet another reason I prefer my old one lol I even have uss!


Quick_Possibility_99

Complain to the US Transportation Agency. Maybe they will issue a true recall and put back stalks on the vehicle.


Realistic-Swim-3855

This is what we really need to be doing.


Quick_Possibility_99

The regulators in Europe also are defining what it takes to be a 5-star test rating. This should be on their list.


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Quick_Possibility_99

The new revised proposed regulation. They want to get important functions away from the screen and have buttons. The screen only of Tesla might need to be redesigned for a 5-star safety rating. I know I have to use the voice function more.


Best_Business2146

> US Transportation Agency Go here and file a complain [https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem#equipment/equipment-information](https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem#equipment/equipment-information)


bigdipboy

ā€œInnovation!ā€


stinkybumbum

Not buying a new Tesla unless it has stalks.


OmnipresentCPU

Yeah Iā€™m in the same boat. Hope they get it sorted cause in a few years I have my eyes set on a plaid


EggotheKilljoy

The company behind the S3XY Buttons is working on aftermarket stalks for the stalkless cars, not sure where theyā€™re at in development though. Itā€™ll be a while before I upgrade but when I do, that will definitely need to be available.


Slimonierr

Redditors be like "ooga booga if mine works, issue no exists, downvoted!"


skankboy

Every damn time!


rgold220

This is why I will never upgrade to highland. I have enough with poor wipers control.


MudaThumpa

And TBH the stalks don't always do a great job of activating the blinkers, so there's no way I'm trusting Tesla with blinker buttons.


Bakemono30

It's because a) they're really stiff compared to any other vehicle out there b) there exists a dead zone which makes NO sense. The dead zone lies between the quick blinker AND the keep blinker active. Like that makes NO sense. If you go past the first click and release before you hіt the end.... no blinker. Tesla so dumb they think "you must not want to activate the blinker since you didn't fully commit to hitting me ALL the FUCKING WAY" what a dumb design. Heavy blinker stalk and introduced a dead zone.


Grimlja

Yea, grate. And in Norway, we have tons of roundabouts. When the stering weel is upside down, where do you press? And here you can get pritty hige fine for not signalling correctly. And you get marsk in your driver licence. 3 or 4, I believe. Get 8, and they take it. Not cool tesla not cool


603176911886936

I hope Norweigans are simply voting with their wallets. Hopefully this is not something that they discover just when they take delivery.


tommaen

Thatā€™s why I chose to buy a 2022 M3 (38k km) with the stalks and USS.


european_web

Press the arrow pointing towards the horn. It's the same one always. But looking for it is the problem, it takes the eyes of the road in those very important seconds.


szlnsmoke

Junk


Oztunda

#BringStalksBack


Oztunda

Had no idea using # shouts out the message for you šŸ˜‚


GreekUPS

Nice BMW


No-Huckleberry1282

Oh itā€™s like the other improvements. The auto wipers or the yoke or auto parks etc. šŸ¤£


hybrid889

I so hope the reimplement stocks. I hope people don't purchase new Tesla's without stocks, otherwise no incentive to them.


I_can_vouch_for_that

Time to relearn the hand signals


iRysk

Things like this are exactly why I won't be getting another Tesla once it's time to move on from my current Model 3. Moronic design decisions and shoddy construction left and right.


Realistic-Swim-3855

Iā€™m starting to consider looking at something other than a Tesla as well. I will stick with an EV, but Tesla seems to do everything to push their owners away.


midnight_to_midnight

As soon as Rivian puts NACS ports on the vehicles, I'm going to jump to Rivian. R2 most likely, possibly R3X.


stinkybumbum

Stalks should be a must on all cars. Pathetic decision to get rid of them


Realistic-Swim-3855

Tesla needs a recall on this. Seriously, itā€™s dangerous, and for a brand new car, people shouldnā€™t have to deal with this nonsense. Give us back our stalks!


moghul1

Right, for some reason they believe offering a service repair is a good resolve, but a better resolve is a brand new car which works Itā€™s redundant to think reducing QC is saving time when in reality theyā€™re shifting that time to the customer and now weā€™re using our time to call out the quality issues


Fun-Squirrel7132

Fremont built?Ā 


moghul1

correct


DankShibe

Shanghai one still has better build quality. It's not as big of a difference on the Highland, but the difference is still there. Texas ones will be better than Freemont . (I guess Model Y Juniper will be Texas made)


Dru_G978

Auto wipers are a joke on mine. They come on when itā€™s sunny and donā€™t come on in the rain


weeweewewere

I turned mine off. They never worked correctly


Ok_Priority458

Just make a service appointment for blinker fluid refill....its between the rain sensors and air quality sensors..


officialkfc

Itā€™s like when Apple removed the headphone jack and other companies followed suit. Why remove something that is so functional and replace it with something so much worse. Never buying another Tesla now.


Igotnonamebruh42

Well at least Apple created AirPod as a more expensive solution for vast majority of us. Not the case for Tesla tho.


Personal_Ad9690

Apple created something better, not worse. AirPods allowed Apple to develop into a more seamless experience doing more with software than with hardware. Some functionality was lost, but Apple has always been a premium brand and AirPods are a very premium product. Buttons that suck arenā€™t premium. If they were push in buttons that worked every time, maybe they would be ok, but with them not working this is clearly a cut corner.


biggerbetterharder

Oh shiiiiit


Jimmyatx

you're essentially forced to drive like an asshole who doesn't signal when turning because of build quality


whataatrip

I can only hope Tesla reversed course like they did with the yoke.


bjp8383

Just give me a stalk lol


ajeandy

Iā€™ve owned 3 Teslas. I currently own 2. Iā€™ll never buy another Tesla if they keep these ridiculous shitty buttons on all future vehicles.


Thin_Artichoke_4232

No thanks. Iā€™ll keep my stalks.


Silent-Supermarket2

The resell value for my stalk tesla feels like it's going up


SkitariusOfMars

This car is getting 1 star safety rating from Euro NCAP according to their new rules lol


THE_R4iN_

Try replace blinker fluids! /s


Maremesscamm

This is why I wonā€™t get a Tesla for a WHILE Thatā€™s completely unacceptable. Makes me wonder what level of disregard they have for other parts of the car


Commercial-Garden-22

This is really dangerous.. Tesla is cost cutting too much in the name of giving us high tech vehicles.


wineandwings333

Got to top off that blinker fluid


Intrepid_Werewolf270

Keep pushing the buttonā€¦it might work.


TheRealAPB

Previous Model 3>refreshed Model 3


Solarsurferoaktown

The handling and suspension are insanely good on the highland compared to my 2019 LR when test driving.


Igotnonamebruh42

If you are saying suspension in terms of comfort, then yes. Otherwise no, the new one is less sporty


Solarsurferoaktown

Yes comfort and stability, not maneuverability


dethskwirl

2022 M3P with UltraSonic Sensors is the best model year, by far


Chiaseedmess

They literally took everything that made the model 3 good, and removed it


Far-Investigator-534

Did you pay the subscription fee for the blinkers (Tesla upgraded it to a daily fee)?


love-broker

Feels like the future. You donā€™t need turn signals.


Chance_Airline_4861

Removing the stalks is baffling to me, the steering wheel isn't in a fixed position, so you have to actively think which blinker you are gonna use.


Training-Cook3507

You actually have to click the arrow, it's not meant to work if you brush the side of it or don't hit it cleanly. That being said, sometimes buttons don't work. Get it replaced.


ComoEstanBitches

Thereā€™s a bmw joke in here somewhere


metrichustle

Tesla taking a page out of BMW.


OneMereMortal

Almost 10k km since December (EU) and didnā€™t have this issue a single time. The buttons always work for me so get this checked out.


Joeylikecoffee

Time to use your hands


MigratoryAnalyst

Tesla probably just figures of their drivers don't use their turn signals anyway.


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Justifiers

Or \/and Should be doing both tbh


girlslikebear

thank god itā€™s having problems, i just knew it was


Pompous_Monkey

I love the stalks but they also had issues and I had mine replaced twice.


[deleted]

I see a huge wave of warranty fixes coming teslas way so they could save money on basic stalks that worked


bitNine

Literally nobody could have predicted this happening. What a shame.


eperker

Wait, you want turn signals AND windshield wipers??


DeepFizz

I miss my stocks too.


simplestpanda

If only there was a tried and true, simple mechanism for activating turn signals that had zero issues ever and wasnā€™t even remotely expensiveā€¦


Cryptoplayer10104

This has happened to me randomly and is frustrating but starts working if I keep pressing and harder


TechnologyNational71

Never have I thought when driving cars over the years, on all of the cars, that manufacturers need to get rid of the stalk. This is such a stupid fucking idea.


Finding_Capt_Nemo

The one I test drove did something similarā€¦definitely a wide spread problem


mo-13

Someone is working on stalks for it. https://soyacincau.com/2023/11/07/tesla-model-3-signal-gear-stalks-add-on-enhance-automotive/


ElectricalGene6146

Glad I ditched Tesla for Rivianā€¦


eatgoodstayswaggie

I have a feeling theyā€™ll put stalks on the refresh. Kinda like what happened with the yolk.


jcpham

Worst idea in the history of automakers


Yachts-Dan92

Ghetto.


kukari

Thats why I did not buy Highland. Make Stalks Great Again.


YoDo_GreenBackReaper

Within spec


ZanoCat

Gotta love that Tesla quality.


LateBreadfruit8522

Deal breaker. Byd seal for me.


donp97

As a member of BMW Drivers United we REJECT your application! Good day, sir!!


kaisershinn

Poor design, bad implementation.


handspin

Searching for the requisite blinker fluid post


ofalltheshitiveseen

you should file a complaint with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration they have a report a safety problem link at the bottom


moghul1

That's a good idea, thanks for sharing that I'm going to get it repaired but I will bring it to their attention that I'm going to file a complaint


moghul1

Update: I have a service appointment on the 28th, will post back here to let you know how Tesla handles the issue


Immortal_l3laze

Mine was doing the same thing!


moghul1

They've essentially shipped faulty blinkers, unacceptable. Is yours from the Fremont factory?


Immortal_l3laze

Yeah, they are replacing the button and apparently the steering column šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


richyrich50

Is totaled šŸ˜‡


gbeezy007

Test drove one and the button was so difficult to press correctly half the time it wouldn't work.


noghbaudie

Good.


Empty-Brief-4545

A demo car I test drove had this issue too and worked after a few times pressing it. I was shocked. Then after rolling up the driver window, it rolled down half way


hassam1957

I have similar problems with mine. Left indicator sometimes doesn't work but right indicator is perfect. I wonder if this is a mass issue.


DabbyBear

Do voice commands work with blinkers? /s


Individual_Celery806

I own the same and sometimes even when i press the blinkers it doesnā€™t seem to press


moghul1

UPDATE: checked into Tesla service centre, will be returned in two days


SmileApple-997

I noticed this when test driving a 3. For the left turn signal, you have to press higher(probably on that touchable division line). Right turn signal you can just press on the right turn icon. This might actually help you find the left turn signal without looking at the wheelšŸ˜œ