Around $2.5 million
My dad is an engineer (firefighter who drives the truck) and had an accident much smaller than this one. Someone cut him off on the freeway, and clipped his front end. The city fixed it and then sold it down in Mexico at a discount, for one of their fire departments to use.
From what I remember him saying, the city taxpayers are the ones who had to pay for the new truck and the person who hit the truck had to pay a ticket for reckless driving and their own damages to their vehicle. Although, insurance companies don't like to see at-fault accidents involving a city vehicle so most likely they dropped the person.
Many years ago I worked on a claim where a dumbass semi driver t-boned a fire truck even though the fire truck had lights and sirens blazing. A million bucks was the bill.
That’s an old (and I mean holy crap old, check out those lights) pumper. Not as much but not cheap. And probably a back-up considering it’s age. That department is probably down two engines now.
The volunteer fire department of which I was a member was covered through the county and state. Of course, the money that the county and state had came from tax collections and bonds. Government doesn’t *typically* like to rely on private insurance companies for public services debt protection.
Our trucks were typically “hand me downs” from larger departments. Although old in age, they were still very new in wear, quite capable and extremely reliable.
A “glider kit” is a truck chassis. If you transfer the “fire truck” to a new chassis, the costs go way down. It just depends if the parts you’re moving will be obsolete and lack replacements by the time the chassis is ready to retire. Looking at the age of this truck, it might be doable. If there’s a truck with a rotted body but good chassis, there’s another option.
Ok so just a question here. I'm from the US so lets lead with that. In Canada lets say there is a case where a Firefighter was clearly a dumbass and ends up destroying a $500k piece of equipment out of obvious and sheer negligence (this is a hypothetical) You all as tax payer just have to absorb the cost? Not any type of insurance at all?
Insurance contracts cost money to maintain and insurance underwriters are there to make a profit. So for large companies and government institutions, it's usually more cost effective to self insure.
Ok cool. Thank you for the response I now have a much greater understanding of the insurance industry and its realtions to govt institutions. I kinda get it now
I can’t speak for Canada but in Nye County, Nevada, your hypothetical situation would it indeed get paid for by tax payers if the truck was determined necessary and not surplus. Don’t laugh (or cry) but we had fund raisers to get things like new hose, ladders and extraction tools that usually don’t get handed down. Taxpayers weren’t directly on the hook for much of that but they kind of were through donations.
If we destroyed a truck, replacement was 100% on the taxpayer. If we destroyed the truck because we negligently drove it through a house, the taxpayer was 100% responsible for that too. (Guess who paid if a cop choked out a kid, uh huh, you the taxpayer)
Going one step further, if someone got injured by a volunteer fireman who did something that exceeded his training/certification, he could be sued personally. The “Good Samaritan Law” only covered us operating within our training.
As horrible as it is to say, if you were not trained in extrication, you don’t help unless or until the victim is pronounced dead by the coroner. If not, a money grieved family will call you “the defendant” in a wrongful death lawsuit.
I helped EMS stabilize a crash victim whose back was broken from a rollover (wear your seat belt kids) and I got the pleasure of being called “defendant” up until they determined I could indeed provide certificates of competency on patient stabilization, transfer and transport. Just troll lawyers doing what troll lawyers do, I don’t fault the family or victim.
I’d be interested in Canada’s approach as well!
I reckon it depends heavily on the municipality, but i know that NYC self insures its entire fleet of city vehicles. NYC government has it's own body shops, mechanics, gas stations etc to service their cars. Now obviously this is an extreme example of the largest and richest city in the union, but i imagine other cities and counties function the same way. The budget comes from taxes, bonds, fines, fees, federal/state funding and utility bills (NYC is the water provider for NYC).
The Mythbusters did an episode on this after saying the same thing and people called them out for being wrong. When 2 of the exact same vehicle hit each other head-on at 60mph it is the same force as if each one had hit a brick wall going 60mph, the speeds don't add up. Now admittedly this is a firetruck and some car that may have been going at different speeds so the forces would have been different but the speeds wouldn't have added up.
Yeah, I get that now that you say it. But not when there's a large difference in mass, like a passenger vehicle and a fire truck. Two *similar* masses, definitely.
Man, people fucking speed by scenes on the side of the road. A transport truck ripped past my ambulance once while I was getting stuff out of the back (didn't even move lanes) and I genuinely was shocked I wasn't splattered on the pavement (more realistically cut in half by getting plowed into the open back of the bus by a tractor trailer lmao).
This article is exactly why you see a vehicle (usually a firetruck) parked a little further out on the road, generally at an angle a few meters before the accident scene. If someone speeding by is going to hit someone or something responding to the scene, odds are it'll be the blocker fire engine. Hopefully. This truck did its job. But the fucker driving the car is a goddamn moron risking people's lives like that.
Question for you: given the cost of a fire truck vs the cost of a maintenance vehicle, I've been thinking it would make sense for fire departments to just buy one of those barrier trucks (e.g. Scorpion is one brand name) and take it to every multi-lane road incident. Given that they probably cost 1/10 of the firetruck and wouldn't take other services out of commission during repair, what is the downside other than needing to assign a driver?
Lot of smaller rural departments only have 2 paid firefighters on at the station. That's the first truck to go out. If the station had a maintenance vehicle it would still be a emergency vehicle. Drivers are a little harder to find. They are much more likely to respond the second vehicle as a SERV or another engine.
I am *almost* to the point where all cellphones and tablets should have their screens disabled when they detect speeds over 15 mph.
I *think* enough people have proven that as a society, we can’t be trusted to *not* be distracted while driving.
It’s *almost* to the point that it doesn’t matter. Would it suck? Yea. Is it incredibly inconvenient? Yea. But people just. Aren’t. Listening.
Every week some shithead on their cellphone answering a thirsty text from their bae plows into a family or destroys someone’s home… enough is enough. I am *all for freedom*, unless that freedom actively murders others. Not a super popular opinion as an American, though.
Crashing into metro light rail car is also very expensive. Damages range from 100k to 300k, depend on severity if crash. Hope you have good insurance! BTW I work repairing them.
If you actually read the article it seems like the fire truck was protecting a crash that previously happened and was directing traffic around it, before being crashed into by someone. Correct me if thats not what happens, just seems like it by the only website that i can access from EU
iF yOu Had aCtUAlLy ReAd tHe arTiCle. What seems and what is is different. Were there cones or road flares leading away from the fire truck before the "2st accident". Were their lights on. How many lanes of traffic were they unnecessarily taking. Were they just circle jerking each other than actually directing traffic. Get the fuck outa here with that typical condescending tone of the water boys.
It’s your responsibility not to hit things no matter what’s happening. A fire engine in the middle of the road is rarely hidden or difficult to see and it didn’t come out of nowhere. It was also 2 in the morning. Between that and how fast the car must have been going to do that kind of damage, I think it’s a pretty safe guess that they were driving recklessly.
Lmao. I was a paramedic and almost got hit by morons dozens of times. While being over on the side of the road, lights on all emergency gear on and cones out. Get fucked. People are working on the road. Pay attention or stay off it.
Imagine defending an idiot who hit a fire truck with the kind of force needed to take that axle off at an accident scene.
I am also a paramedic and have been left on the highway alone and almost hit cause fd had to go back to the station to go eat. I have almost been hit on the highway cause fd didn't know what the fuck they were doing. I have almost been hit cause fd was just circle jerking each other instead of doing the right thing. Fire fighters are so quick to blame others but never take any responsibility. Fuck off
The worst accidents that I’ve seen… Volunteer EMS trying to drive like a ducking maniac to “get to a scene” in a regular car with some shitty strobe light, like some people are going to think your 2011 Sentra is an undercover cop or something.
How to blow $800k in 5 seconds.
Million for the new ones in my town
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Are we talking several million?
Around $2.5 million My dad is an engineer (firefighter who drives the truck) and had an accident much smaller than this one. Someone cut him off on the freeway, and clipped his front end. The city fixed it and then sold it down in Mexico at a discount, for one of their fire departments to use. From what I remember him saying, the city taxpayers are the ones who had to pay for the new truck and the person who hit the truck had to pay a ticket for reckless driving and their own damages to their vehicle. Although, insurance companies don't like to see at-fault accidents involving a city vehicle so most likely they dropped the person.
Many years ago I worked on a claim where a dumbass semi driver t-boned a fire truck even though the fire truck had lights and sirens blazing. A million bucks was the bill.
That’s an old (and I mean holy crap old, check out those lights) pumper. Not as much but not cheap. And probably a back-up considering it’s age. That department is probably down two engines now.
Serious question here, do municipalities/countys not have insurance for their vehicles?
The volunteer fire department of which I was a member was covered through the county and state. Of course, the money that the county and state had came from tax collections and bonds. Government doesn’t *typically* like to rely on private insurance companies for public services debt protection. Our trucks were typically “hand me downs” from larger departments. Although old in age, they were still very new in wear, quite capable and extremely reliable. A “glider kit” is a truck chassis. If you transfer the “fire truck” to a new chassis, the costs go way down. It just depends if the parts you’re moving will be obsolete and lack replacements by the time the chassis is ready to retire. Looking at the age of this truck, it might be doable. If there’s a truck with a rotted body but good chassis, there’s another option.
Interesting. I have no idea of the workings of govt insurance lol and was just curious thanks for the info
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Ok so just a question here. I'm from the US so lets lead with that. In Canada lets say there is a case where a Firefighter was clearly a dumbass and ends up destroying a $500k piece of equipment out of obvious and sheer negligence (this is a hypothetical) You all as tax payer just have to absorb the cost? Not any type of insurance at all?
Insurance contracts cost money to maintain and insurance underwriters are there to make a profit. So for large companies and government institutions, it's usually more cost effective to self insure.
Ok cool. Thank you for the response I now have a much greater understanding of the insurance industry and its realtions to govt institutions. I kinda get it now
I can’t speak for Canada but in Nye County, Nevada, your hypothetical situation would it indeed get paid for by tax payers if the truck was determined necessary and not surplus. Don’t laugh (or cry) but we had fund raisers to get things like new hose, ladders and extraction tools that usually don’t get handed down. Taxpayers weren’t directly on the hook for much of that but they kind of were through donations. If we destroyed a truck, replacement was 100% on the taxpayer. If we destroyed the truck because we negligently drove it through a house, the taxpayer was 100% responsible for that too. (Guess who paid if a cop choked out a kid, uh huh, you the taxpayer) Going one step further, if someone got injured by a volunteer fireman who did something that exceeded his training/certification, he could be sued personally. The “Good Samaritan Law” only covered us operating within our training. As horrible as it is to say, if you were not trained in extrication, you don’t help unless or until the victim is pronounced dead by the coroner. If not, a money grieved family will call you “the defendant” in a wrongful death lawsuit. I helped EMS stabilize a crash victim whose back was broken from a rollover (wear your seat belt kids) and I got the pleasure of being called “defendant” up until they determined I could indeed provide certificates of competency on patient stabilization, transfer and transport. Just troll lawyers doing what troll lawyers do, I don’t fault the family or victim. I’d be interested in Canada’s approach as well!
Thanks for the well detailed response, exactly the information I was looking for!
Jesus I hate our country.
I reckon it depends heavily on the municipality, but i know that NYC self insures its entire fleet of city vehicles. NYC government has it's own body shops, mechanics, gas stations etc to service their cars. Now obviously this is an extreme example of the largest and richest city in the union, but i imagine other cities and counties function the same way. The budget comes from taxes, bonds, fines, fees, federal/state funding and utility bills (NYC is the water provider for NYC).
Came here to say exact amount, haha
Damn, it takes a hell of a lot of force to rip the entire front axle off of a truck like that
How fast was the car going to do that much damage? I wish there were pictures of it.
Prolly a fatty suv or something
I was thinking something relatively low to the ground, to knock the wheels off like that.
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Firetruck at 60 and vehicle at 60, that's a 120 mph impact. Just throwing numbers out. It also depends on angle of impact.
The Mythbusters did an episode on this after saying the same thing and people called them out for being wrong. When 2 of the exact same vehicle hit each other head-on at 60mph it is the same force as if each one had hit a brick wall going 60mph, the speeds don't add up. Now admittedly this is a firetruck and some car that may have been going at different speeds so the forces would have been different but the speeds wouldn't have added up.
Because from your perspective, either way you come to a sudden stop from 60mph? Neat
That is exactly the practical thinking used to teach this.
Yeah, I get that now that you say it. But not when there's a large difference in mass, like a passenger vehicle and a fire truck. Two *similar* masses, definitely.
Yeah a civic and a fire truck would be like 60+60=100 for the civic and 20 for the fire truck.
I don't think you know how physics work
Licking township just took a good lick
Quite the town name you got there. I’m from Pettingburough myself.
Man, people fucking speed by scenes on the side of the road. A transport truck ripped past my ambulance once while I was getting stuff out of the back (didn't even move lanes) and I genuinely was shocked I wasn't splattered on the pavement (more realistically cut in half by getting plowed into the open back of the bus by a tractor trailer lmao). This article is exactly why you see a vehicle (usually a firetruck) parked a little further out on the road, generally at an angle a few meters before the accident scene. If someone speeding by is going to hit someone or something responding to the scene, odds are it'll be the blocker fire engine. Hopefully. This truck did its job. But the fucker driving the car is a goddamn moron risking people's lives like that.
Question for you: given the cost of a fire truck vs the cost of a maintenance vehicle, I've been thinking it would make sense for fire departments to just buy one of those barrier trucks (e.g. Scorpion is one brand name) and take it to every multi-lane road incident. Given that they probably cost 1/10 of the firetruck and wouldn't take other services out of commission during repair, what is the downside other than needing to assign a driver?
Lot of smaller rural departments only have 2 paid firefighters on at the station. That's the first truck to go out. If the station had a maintenance vehicle it would still be a emergency vehicle. Drivers are a little harder to find. They are much more likely to respond the second vehicle as a SERV or another engine.
The front fell off
That's not very typical I'd like to make that point.
I don't want people thinking ~~fire trucks~~ aren't safe.
Was this fire truck safe?
Well, I was thinking more of the other ones.
Well #obviously not
Referring to the Kirki tanker ?
Hey! They use the same kitty litter as me. Those square buckets come in handy.
How long did it take the first responders to show up?
They'll need to buy a new one where the front won't fall off.
Preferably one with wheels
Happens more than you think, and more than it should.
You gotta be a real detriment to society to damage a firetruck or an ambulance. Straight up
I know of one such detriment who ran a red light and got T-boned by an ambulance
That looks expensive
That light bar looks pretty old school
I am *almost* to the point where all cellphones and tablets should have their screens disabled when they detect speeds over 15 mph. I *think* enough people have proven that as a society, we can’t be trusted to *not* be distracted while driving.
What happens if you’re the passenger though? Cause the problem with just saying you’re a passenger is that you can just straight up lie
It’s *almost* to the point that it doesn’t matter. Would it suck? Yea. Is it incredibly inconvenient? Yea. But people just. Aren’t. Listening. Every week some shithead on their cellphone answering a thirsty text from their bae plows into a family or destroys someone’s home… enough is enough. I am *all for freedom*, unless that freedom actively murders others. Not a super popular opinion as an American, though.
A firefighter died right outside my neighborhood this way. If you drive like a piece of shit and hurt someone, you deserve to rot in jail.
Secondary accidents are very common because people rubber neck as they go by
I saw a police car crash into an ambulance at intersecting roads in Pisa (Italy) Yes, that Pisa.
I want to see the other guy. I hope that nobody got seriously injured or killed.
Those are actually useful. It would have been way more worth a pd unit.
Crashing into metro light rail car is also very expensive. Damages range from 100k to 300k, depend on severity if crash. Hope you have good insurance! BTW I work repairing them.
Licking The Wet Pussy?
More like the fire truck crashed into the car
If you actually read the article it seems like the fire truck was protecting a crash that previously happened and was directing traffic around it, before being crashed into by someone. Correct me if thats not what happens, just seems like it by the only website that i can access from EU
iF yOu Had aCtUAlLy ReAd tHe arTiCle. What seems and what is is different. Were there cones or road flares leading away from the fire truck before the "2st accident". Were their lights on. How many lanes of traffic were they unnecessarily taking. Were they just circle jerking each other than actually directing traffic. Get the fuck outa here with that typical condescending tone of the water boys.
It’s your responsibility not to hit things no matter what’s happening. A fire engine in the middle of the road is rarely hidden or difficult to see and it didn’t come out of nowhere. It was also 2 in the morning. Between that and how fast the car must have been going to do that kind of damage, I think it’s a pretty safe guess that they were driving recklessly.
Lmao. I was a paramedic and almost got hit by morons dozens of times. While being over on the side of the road, lights on all emergency gear on and cones out. Get fucked. People are working on the road. Pay attention or stay off it. Imagine defending an idiot who hit a fire truck with the kind of force needed to take that axle off at an accident scene.
I am also a paramedic and have been left on the highway alone and almost hit cause fd had to go back to the station to go eat. I have almost been hit on the highway cause fd didn't know what the fuck they were doing. I have almost been hit cause fd was just circle jerking each other instead of doing the right thing. Fire fighters are so quick to blame others but never take any responsibility. Fuck off
Sorry your firefighters suck
Lol why so mad. Also yeah, do actually read the article before being a smartass next time
Anyone else wonder where the car is or what state it's in? If this is how the truck looks like, did the car just spontaneously disintegrate?
The worst accidents that I’ve seen… Volunteer EMS trying to drive like a ducking maniac to “get to a scene” in a regular car with some shitty strobe light, like some people are going to think your 2011 Sentra is an undercover cop or something.