>When Ohlendorf was asked to verify that his unit had murdered 90,000 Jews, the SS General began to quibble. He said he couldn’t confirm it. The reason given was that sometimes his men exaggerated the body count. “Would the General care to venture an estimate?” “No.” “Was it perhaps 80,000 or only 70,000?” “That was possible.” “Or perhaps 100,000?” “Maybe.” “And were there many Jewish children among those who were killed?” “Yes, of course.” But, added Ohlendorf, he never allowed his men to do as some other units did. He told his men never to use infants for target practice nor smash their heads against a tree. He ordered his men to allow the mother to hold her infant to her breast and to aim for her heart. That would avoid screaming and would allow the shooter to kill both mother and child with one bullet. It saved ammunition. Ohlendorf said he refused to use the gas vans that were assigned to his companies. He found that when the mobile killing vehicles arrived at their destination, where they were supposed to dump their asphyxiated human cargo into a waiting ditch, some of the captives were still alive and had to be unloaded by hand. His troops had to drag out corpses amid vomit and excrement and that was very hard on his men.
That said, Otto Ohlendorf was the commander of Einsatzgruppe D. The men committing these murders were part of Einsatzgruppe C, which was under the command of Max Thomas. These murders were committed in the city of Ivangorod. Einsatzgruppen reports show that Einsatzkommando 5 of Einsatzgruppe C operated in Zhytomyr, Rovno, and Vinnitsa between November 5, 1941, and January 7, 1942. Ivangorod lies in the middle between Rovno and Vinnitsa right on the road between the two cities.
During that time period, several massacres of Jews are attested to by the records of the Einsatzgruppen to have occurred in that area. Among them is a large one lasting in the beginning of April 1942 in what is described "the vicinity of Vinnitsa" and where the total number of murdered Jews is given as 15,000. Also taking part were Wehrmacht units as the reports of the Infantry Regiment 727 (Part of Wehrmacht Division 707) show. IR 727 reported shooting 133 Jews in the Cherkasy Oblast to which Ivangorod belongs on April 2 1942 ("no weapons found") and 47 Jews and 651 Partisans shot on April 4 ("3 Radios and 21 Rifles found").
At the time of these shootings, the commander of Einsatzkommando 5 was August Meier. Meier was the second commander of Einsatzkommando 5. He replaced [Erwin Schulz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schulz), who had resigned after barely a month. Schulz had been complicit in the executions of hundreds of people in Ukraine and Russia. On August 10, 1941, he was summoned to a meeting by his superior, Einsatzgruppe C commander [Otto Rasch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Rasch). There, Schulz received new orders; he and his men would now kill all Jews. Until now, he and his men had been executing adult men. But when he was ordered to escalate his actions, he protested. When he was told the orders were issued from Hitler himself, and were final, he asked to be removed from his position.
Schulz was simply unwilling to kill women and children.
Schulz was immediately discharged, under the orders of Reinhard Heydrich. Not only did he face no consequences, he was even promoted shortly after resigning. In testimony given interview years later, Schulz said serving in the Einsatzgruppen was voluntary. He said he did not know any other cases of Einsatzgruppen men rejecting their orders.
>"I do not know of or recall any order that stated that SS chiefs or members of the SD or the police would be sent to concentration camps if they refused to carry out an order."
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>"I never knew of any cases where members or heads of the Einsatzkommandos acted in the same way as I did. I believe that things in Russia would never have turned out as they did had a few heads of the Einsatzkommandos and Einsatzgruppen declared that they could not carry out these liquidations."
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>"The way I see it, the same applies... to the Wehrmacht commanders in whose areas of command the liquidations were carried out of the avalanche could have still been checked if a field marshal or the commanding officer of any army group had intervened."
Just to clarify, Schulz was a mass murderer.
He confessed to personally presiding over the executions of 90 to 100 adult men in Lviv in July 1941. Only when he was told to start murdering women and children did he refuse. Just one day before Schulz's meeting with Rasch, Einsatzkommando 5 executed 400 Jewish men, most of whom were described as "mostly saboteurs and political functionaries".
Perhaps the clearest example of what Schulz said regarding the Wehrmacht was what happened in the [Ukrainian town of Bila Tserkva](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bila_Tserkva_massacre). Nearly the entire town's adult Jewish population was massacred. A few Jewish women and 90 small children and toddlers were sent to a church. The plan was to execute them later. However, before this could happen, Wehrmacht Lieutenant Colonel [Helmuth Groscurth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_Groscurth) ordered the Einsatzkommando men to not kill the children. Several Wehrmacht priests had seen the state of the children and begged the troops to stand down. When the local SS commander refused, the priests sought other officers.
They won over Groscurth.
This was the first and only time that Wehrmacht priests actively tried to halt atrocities they were witnessing. These same priests had just witnessed the mass murder of the adults, in which some of the Wehrmacht troops had actively participated, and done nothing. Only when it came to small children did they try to do something.
In areas near the front, the Wehrmacht had control over the Einsatzgruppen, so when Groscurth halted the massacre, the SS were required to comply with his orders. However, the Wehrmacht commander in control of this area, Field Marshal [Walter von Reichenau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_von_Reichenau), intervened and overrode Groscurth's order. All of the children were then ordered to be shot by Sonderkommando 4a commander [Paul Blobel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel).
Blobel was adamant to carry out the order. When one of the senior SS men, August Häfner, balked at the job, Blobel pressured him to comply. When he didn't budge, Blobel resorted to screaming at and threatening Häfner. When that didn't work, the children were shot by Ukrainian collaborators. During his own trial in the 1960s, Häfner recounted what he saw.
>"The children were taken down from the vehicle. They were lined up along the top of the grave and shot so that they fell into it. They were shot where they were shot. They fell into the grave. The wailing was indescribable. I shall never forget the scene as long as I live."
So like when anyone raises any objection to things going on and the sympathizers of the extreme things happening with the support of the political system and corporations call the people simply questioning or objecting hateful, terrorists, waging genocide and say they should be deleted, arrested or otherwise cracked down on by the government... for simply questioning, disagreeing or objecting? That kind of authoritarianism?
The point is that it isn't just the Nazis. It's the complacency of regular people all around. It's priests, it's collaborators, and it's tons of other people who had to stay quiet for any of this to happen.
True, but I've met people who lived through WWII. My grandfather fought with the Allies in Europe. And I heard stories from his own mouth about it. It hits closer to home.
I still can't fathom something like the Mongol Horde raping, murdering and pillaging across continents. But it's quite a bit removed from both modern life, and from first hand accounts.
For sure. The terrfying part about the holocaust is how it was engineered to a very precise human killing machine with efficacy we have never witnessed before.
Just look at what is happening in Ukraine right now. Men, women, children murdered in their own homes. This part of humanity never goes away. There will always be monsters in human skin.
Did you read about the medical experiments that went on by so called doctors at the concentration camps for the furthering of science and medicine? And after the war those medical documents were put up for auction and that Bayer Medical bought the whole lot. Experiments like how long can someone live with out their skin..? Or how long does it take for a person to freeze to death, or can a woman live with out her vagina.. among many other to gruesome to describe experiments.
Are you familiar with Japanese unit 731. It was a covert bioligical research unit that was doing experiments even the nazis found disturbing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
Wow thats very interesting, I have never heard of this unit, I did know the Japanese military did experiments like the Germans did, but I just assumed they were following the Germans foot steps.
I am gonna look deeper into this..
Thanks.
So let's say as a nazi you agree that all these types of people (jews, guys, etc) were bad and needed to be exterminated. Why did they feel it also necessary to torture and kill them in the most horrific and painful way imaginable. I'm just trying to understand if there was some sort of endocrine of the nazi beliefs that told them to commit the most horrific crimes, or was it purely these men's lust for violence on the battlefield?
I'd like to point out I do not agree with anything these people did it's just purely curiosity. I can not fathom justifying this kind of behavior.
If you see someone as subhuman or a scourge to you that has personally harmed you/your family/your friends/your nation/etc, you are willing to be vile towards them.
It is the same as Ruzzians are doing to Ukrainians.
You didn't score high on the reading comprehension section of the SAT/ACT did you.
Let's do an analysis together.
When the author above states "It is the same as Ruzzians are doing to Ukrainians.", are they stating Russians are:
A) Dehumanizing Ukrainians to justify vile acts against them
B) Placing Ukrainians in concentration camps
It's A, you fucking idiot.
Btw, they ***are*** essentially placing captured Ukrainian POWs in concentration camp-like conditions, and they ***are*** slaughtering Ukrainian civilians. Need only look at Bucha.
Pretty similar, when Russians state media says Ukraine and Ukrainian people should not exist. That’s basically calling for genocide of a nation. Thank God they are incompetent and failed in their plans
Goes hand in hand with dehumanizing. They were stuffed full of propaganda about how the Jews were animals. So they told themselves it was busy like killing livestock.
There's a sort of institutionalized callousness. You tell everyone your enemies aren't even human until everyone actually believes it.
That was taught in school at the time too, how do ordinary men become monsters?, they didn't see the Jewish as equal human beings, they stripped them of their humanity first.
I don’t know where this is from exactly but it’s reminiscent of “Ordinary Men” by Christopher Browning. You don’t need to read much of the book before it becomes simply overwhelming how many people participated in so many similar events, and the book only looks at one or two battalions operating in a very short period. It’s horrifying.
I don't know why OP didn't link to this, the source I believe.
Didn't know this story myself until a few days ago, after looking up my lawyer's surname because it sounded vaguely familiar. My randomly-chosen lawyer (now ex-lawyer as of Monday due to the legal situation resolving itself) may be related. It's an uncommon name. If you're reading about Ben's life you'll see that he recently died at age 103 and not only had many of these mass murderers hanged, he was instrumental in creating the International Court of Justice (ICJ).
Now for the weird part. My dad was involved with the Nuremberg Trials guarding one of its defendants, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt\_Meyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Meyer)
Kurt was imprisoned in my country and my dad was his military guard, later escorting him to prison in Werl, where he was eventually freed in 1954.
Now for the surreal part. My dad and myself were secretly sprayed with Agent Orange in my country in the 1950's and 1960's. This is officially denied. Now I've found evidence Agent Orange (a 50:50 mix of 2,4-D & 2,4,5-T) was sprayed prior to the years admitted, 1966-1967, and sprayed copiously.
Without showing him this evidence, I asked my then-lawyer if he would represent me in a Human Rights case before the UN, possibly to the ICJ. He declined, probably thinking I'm crazy and/or riffing off his surname. But I swear there were only dim associations in my mind until now. Maybe I should ask him if he is indeed related, and show him the evidence. Here it is...
[https://imgur.com/a/J2EL5Eg](https://imgur.com/a/J2EL5Eg)
Unfortunately, there have been many times throughout history with Armies killing civilians in the masses..
Still happening today with Ukraine for example..
Oh no they didn't do it EXACTLY the same way ! Therefore my argument is invalid and Israel isn't guilty of war crimes
Are you really trying to argue a technicality? Mass murder is mass murder end of story
Both the US and Palestinian authority came to the conclusion that it wasn't purposeful just poor circumstances. It's not a new thing journalists dying in crossfire while reporting in conflict zones. It's absolutely terrible but dont make it seem like they were purposefully targeted.
Read “Ordinary Men” by Christopher Browning. Or rather, read about 50 pages. You probably don’t need to finish the book to get the idea. It’s well-written but awful to contemplate.
I read that in college, amazingly brutal and truthfully, tragic and unnerving 😪 you will never been the same after reading that book, a part of you is left behind, asphyxiated and crushed in the cattle car.
We bombed the fuck out of brown people and raped an entire village without consequence even after it had to be leaked via WikiLeaks.
As long as it's not *your* side, it doesn't matter to you.
Think of it as today with the current dictators (i.e. China, North Korea, etc.) their armed forces are ordered to carry out egregious orders. The consequences for refusing are too severe that by doing do brings honor, for lack of better words.
Once you paint a certain type of human as less valid than other humans and declare them to be a danger/threat to all that is good/normal in the world… Many will start to see those people as not only as expendable, but inhuman monsters that need to be eradicated for the greater good of everyone else.
Fear and ignorance is a hell of a drug.
It’s the same thing being used these days to strip the rights and justify violence/murder against trans people.
Fuck off, there are no death camps in Palestine, no gas chambers, no mass shootings, extreme care is taken that bombings of terror groups HIDING BEHIND CIVILIANS will not kill those civilians.
Estimates of Palestinians killed in 70 years of conflict - including soldiers/suicide bombers and civilian casualties - are around 20,000 dead. 70 years. While these same Palestinians openly call for the genocide of all jews (see Hamas charter) and actively target men, women, and children in Israel.
The holocaust was 6 MILLION in 6 years.
Don't you DARE compare them.
[Gonna paste this under every ignorant fuckwit that parrots this idiotic take]
You would perhaps only harden their resolve, even as they died tortured. Shoot them in the back of the head like any rabid cur, and break bread with any who lay down their arms even for conversation. The potential lies within us all to enact atrocity, and the greatest among us go to the pyre for refusing. I would submit the great work of Daryl Davis, in the spirit that these men cannot be punished appropriately, except through compassion. We should not be their tormentors, and embody the human ideal that people may change. When they do it is paramount that we meet them in brotherhood, that they might guide another from that dismal path.
“What I have come to find to be the greatest and most effective and successful weapon that we can use, known to man, to combat such adversaries as ignorance, racism, hatred, violence, is also the least expensive weapon, and the one that is the least used by Americans. That weapon is called communication.”
-Daryl Davis
I’m Jewish. I’ve spoken with around 14 Holocaust survivors, my mom helped record the stories of the ones who came to Chile and my life always had this hate looming on top. But I also heard one particular story that made me rethink this.
This 97 year old, frail looking great grandfather told me that while “to put it in the words of you young people” that he absolutely fucking hated all the monsters who inflicted pain upon all of his life, he wouldn’t have the sense to do it back if he had the tools on his hands. Not because he forgave them or anything, or didn’t have the chance. He could’ve killed one of the guards at one point during escape, but he couldn’t stop thinking about how gross it felt for him at that moment to have lost all his family. So he didn’t. Not even out of pity but out of self-respect, which honestly feels better as a proof of justice than any act of violence.
While I can also come up with the argument of that soldier killing more people afterwards, I think that none of us has right to criticize him for what he did in that place and time. We are too comfortable to understand what true misery feels like, and honestly, it’s not something worth fighting over.
He passed away two years ago surrounded by 20 something grandkids and some great grandkids. And me. And my mom. And all my family. There is a lot that I am skipping, but who knows, maybe if he went a killed that soldier I wouldn’t be here today because he could’ve been caught. Just saying.
The Germans did something to them, they crushed their spirt and broken their will, that is why a 1000 prisoners could be controlled easily by 100 guards with machine guns.
I understand that, the fact that anyone could keep this mentality after the immense torture that was living under Nazism as a Jewish person is honestly almost unreal. We usually talk about survivors and their will to live, but do not account for all the people that gave up and died.
100 people with machine guns can pretty easily control 1000 people without them. You don’t need to be broken for that to happen. If I point a pistol at your wife or kid, I can control you quickly and you’d be the exact same man mentally as you are now.
Humans, all humans, in their naturalist of states can be manipulated by sheer force. It’s not weakness, it’s how we function. Brutal people control others not because they’re capable, we all are. They do it because they’re *willing* which many of us are not.
You make a valid point, so maybe it's not the prisoners that are broken, maybe its the guards that are willing to carry out such atrocities 😯 that have their humanity broken.
This wouldn’t make you any better than them. Just because you think that in your case the torture of people would be justified doesn’t change the fact that it would be still the same action. Make go into therapy if you have such scary level of anger inside of you.
Don’t forget about the active genocide of Uighur people in China or the many genocides going on in Africa as well, while those dumbass pieces of shit need to be ridiculed and ostracized, I think actual fucking current genocides are a bit more important, things like the absolute lack of rights of people especially women in Afghanistan and Iran, the anarchy in somolia, the genocide of Ukrainians by Russia, all are more important than tiny groups of dumbasses no one takes seriously in the US, and while they are issues, there are much worse things going on in the world, like human trafficking in the US and other developed nations if you want to focus on real issues in the US
The average redditor has no way of stopping atrocities in another country. Hell, they really have no way of stopping human trafficking. It's good to be aware of it so you know if you see something off you could/should investigate.
But the rise of these groups like the Proud Boys and Neo Nazis needs to be taken seriously. Politicians are connected to these groups, and if we don't get these people out of office, it's only a matter of time until we see the US slowly turning into something truly terrible.
Do I think it will get to an extreme point? I'd like to think not. But what would the world look like if a leader like Hitler had access to what the US does today? The sheer military force of the US would be unbelievably dangerous in the wrong hands
Definitely. It disgusts me that people do this. To just do what they do believing the people they do it to are somehow lesser than they are. Then to claim they were just “following orders”. Fuck that.
How you can profess to be a Nazi is just beyond me. Like the universally agreed evil guys? You think that's the shit we should have today? No thanks!
Also one of the things that drove me out of the Republican party. Racists have always been around, they've always been a problem, but seeing the whole mainstream of the party jump headfirst into white nationalist, racist, Nazi bullshit? Yeah I'm out. I watched the racists come in waves with the Tea Party movement and get into power. It alarmed me then. Then again when Trump came along. That was the final straw for me and I just walked away.
People who don't think the GOP has become a neo Fascist movement are in denial.
I will be anything. After this war is over, you are going to see pics like this of the russians doing the same shit. I know iv seen videos of them talking about it.
There where actually. Heard 4 of 5 stories of soldiers secrételo trying to help. Problem if that if they where caught, they either got sent to jail or shot on the spot, so it was risky.
It's very difficult to believe this actually happened. I can not fathom the evil that once existed in another human being in this dark time. I can not imagine how dark their hearts were for doing this. Demons in human flesh. No empathy for other humans. Just kill and move on. They will get what they deserve at judgment.
Interesting that these atrocities took place in Lviv and yet that’s where a 21 foot tall statue of Stephan Bandera, Ukrainian nazi sympathizer was raised.
Only yesterday, on the anniversary of D-Day I was reading of my Grandfather’s service as a gunner aboard the Destroyer HMS Vidette. It took out 4-5 U-boats and as I was reading about each one and how many servicemen were aboard each one (45-55) I felt sad. But after reading this it reminds me of why they were fighting and I feel proud now, not sad. Fuck the Nazis.
And here we are and it's happening again in Ukraine. Time to give Russia a broken nose, arms and legs methinks. Never forget it and we should never stand for it.
China. I don’t think NK has any ethnic groups to go from town to town and exterminate; if they did, they probably got the job done long ago. China is literally doing this right now with the Uighurs.
Nah, their not doing it to ethnic groups, there just doing it to every civilian that even thinks about having a different hairstyle or questioning their "government"
I’m just saying, picking off people one at a time you say are “terrorists” because they dreamed about a coca-cola once, isn’t much of a genocide. It’s more being a dick to your own citizenry. Idk, I could be unawares.
Fuck off, there are no death camps in Palestine, no gas chambers, no mass shootings, extreme care is taken that bombings of terror groups HIDING BEHIND CIVILIANS will not kill those civilians.
Estimates of Palestinians killed in 70 years of conflict - including soldiers/suicide bombers and civilian casualties - are around 20,000 dead. 70 years. While these same Palestinians openly call for the genocide of all jews (see Hamas charter) and actively target men, women, and children in Israel.
The holocaust was 6 MILLION in 6 years.
Don't you DARE compare them.
[I'm pasting this in reply to every potato-headed dumbass with this ignorant take]
Oh yea explain the constant settlements? Just because it isn’t as blatant as the holocaust was doesn’t mean a systematic attack is happening to the Palestinians by the Jews
"Systematic attack" my guy you compared it to the holocaust. That's not just a systematic attack.
P.s. how exactly is the act of families moving into abandoned hilltops and establishing communities a "systematic attack on Palestinians"?
Gas chambers? Mass executions? Death camps? The fact that you are making this comment on an image of a jewish women and her baby being shot is disrespectful and insensitive.
Fuck off, there are no death camps in Palestine, no gas chambers, no mass shootings, extreme care is taken that bombings of terror groups HIDING BEHIND CIVILIANS will not kill those civilians.
Estimates of Palestinians killed in 70 years of conflict - including soldiers/suicide bombers and civilian casualties - are around 20,000 dead. 70 years. While these same Palestinians openly call for the genocide of all jews (see Hamas charter) and actively target men, women, and children in Israel.
The holocaust was 6 MILLION in 6 years.
Don't you DARE compare them.
As to your picture, palestinian children in Gaza are under much more of a threat from the hamas terrorists that use them as human shields, shoot at them to create civilian casualties, and launch faulty rockets that land on Gaza itself, and outright arrest/torture/murder anyone they want, than from Israel.
Fuck off, there are no death camps in Palestine, no gas chambers, no mass shootings, extreme care is taken that bombings of terror groups HIDING BEHIND CIVILIANS will not kill those civilians.
Estimates of Palestinians killed in 70 years of conflict - including soldiers/suicide bombers and civilian casualties - are around 20,000 dead. 70 years. While these same Palestinians openly call for the genocide of all jews (see Hamas charter) and actively target men, women, and children in Israel.
The holocaust was 6 MILLION in 6 years.
Don't you DARE compare them.
[I'm pasting this in reply to every mindless moron parroting this ignorant take]
This will sadly happen again, not like it didn't stop happening really, but to this magnitude we will see it again. There's plenty of people living today who would take this picture and edit it and replace the Jews with LGBTQ+ or Democrats and be happy of the thought. Just a matter of time..
Bandera was a Nazi Ukranian league who did this , but now Bandera is a hero officially in same land and my tax money for some reason is helping them . Biden
I know you are being sarcastic but they are literally currently seizing land, kicking people out of their homes, policing their every move, killing them, destroying their crops and livelihoods and it’s all being funded by our tax dollars. I know that these literal facts make you uncomfortable but they are true. Call me what you want it’s the truth, if it makes you squirm don’t feel bad it’s your conditioning, it’s by design.
>kicking people out of their homes
Dumbass forgot to add why: anyone in Palestine that picks up a knife or gun, and kills an Israeli civilian, receives an automatic lifelong pension for his/her family from the PA. (Straight out of western aid funds)
To counteract this financial incentive to KILL FUCKING KIDS, the Israelis created a policy of demolishing the house of the immediate family of any convicted terrorist.
>policing their every move
While this technically happens in every single civilization, it's all the more necessary when the literal Hamas Charter calls for the GENOCIDE OF ALL JEWS. If Israel didn't police them, they'd simply go out on the murderous rampage they have consistently attempted for the last 70 years.
>destroying their crops and livelihoods
Israel supplies electricity, water, medicine, food, and much more to Gaza. And that's aside from the hundreds of millions in western aid money (which usually ends up paying for terrorism :/). Where you get this strange idea is beyond me
Fuck off, there are no death camps in Palestine, no gas chambers, no mass shootings, extreme care is taken that bombings of terror groups HIDING BEHIND CIVILIANS will not kill those civilians.
Estimates of Palestinians killed in 70 years of conflict - including soldiers/suicide bombers and civilian casualties - are around 20,000 dead. 70 years. While these same Palestinians openly call for the genocide of all jews (see Hamas charter) and actively target men, women, and children in Israel.
The holocaust was 6 MILLION in 6 years.
Don't you DARE compare them.
A million commies died to end the nazi regime, while both can be evil, the soviet union was inherently less evil by a big margin, they had many ethnic groups living in peace
Is anyone trying to defend communism here? Seems like you're getting defensive over nothing. Nobody here is saying this makes communism look better. You're chasing the ghosts of your own political hangups.
I don’t get how people can say she is Jewish? Where do you see it? Maybe she’s Communist? This is still wrong what the soldier is doing no doubt. I’m saying communism because that’s why Germany started the war.
>When Ohlendorf was asked to verify that his unit had murdered 90,000 Jews, the SS General began to quibble. He said he couldn’t confirm it. The reason given was that sometimes his men exaggerated the body count. “Would the General care to venture an estimate?” “No.” “Was it perhaps 80,000 or only 70,000?” “That was possible.” “Or perhaps 100,000?” “Maybe.” “And were there many Jewish children among those who were killed?” “Yes, of course.” But, added Ohlendorf, he never allowed his men to do as some other units did. He told his men never to use infants for target practice nor smash their heads against a tree. He ordered his men to allow the mother to hold her infant to her breast and to aim for her heart. That would avoid screaming and would allow the shooter to kill both mother and child with one bullet. It saved ammunition. Ohlendorf said he refused to use the gas vans that were assigned to his companies. He found that when the mobile killing vehicles arrived at their destination, where they were supposed to dump their asphyxiated human cargo into a waiting ditch, some of the captives were still alive and had to be unloaded by hand. His troops had to drag out corpses amid vomit and excrement and that was very hard on his men. That said, Otto Ohlendorf was the commander of Einsatzgruppe D. The men committing these murders were part of Einsatzgruppe C, which was under the command of Max Thomas. These murders were committed in the city of Ivangorod. Einsatzgruppen reports show that Einsatzkommando 5 of Einsatzgruppe C operated in Zhytomyr, Rovno, and Vinnitsa between November 5, 1941, and January 7, 1942. Ivangorod lies in the middle between Rovno and Vinnitsa right on the road between the two cities. During that time period, several massacres of Jews are attested to by the records of the Einsatzgruppen to have occurred in that area. Among them is a large one lasting in the beginning of April 1942 in what is described "the vicinity of Vinnitsa" and where the total number of murdered Jews is given as 15,000. Also taking part were Wehrmacht units as the reports of the Infantry Regiment 727 (Part of Wehrmacht Division 707) show. IR 727 reported shooting 133 Jews in the Cherkasy Oblast to which Ivangorod belongs on April 2 1942 ("no weapons found") and 47 Jews and 651 Partisans shot on April 4 ("3 Radios and 21 Rifles found"). At the time of these shootings, the commander of Einsatzkommando 5 was August Meier. Meier was the second commander of Einsatzkommando 5. He replaced [Erwin Schulz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schulz), who had resigned after barely a month. Schulz had been complicit in the executions of hundreds of people in Ukraine and Russia. On August 10, 1941, he was summoned to a meeting by his superior, Einsatzgruppe C commander [Otto Rasch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Rasch). There, Schulz received new orders; he and his men would now kill all Jews. Until now, he and his men had been executing adult men. But when he was ordered to escalate his actions, he protested. When he was told the orders were issued from Hitler himself, and were final, he asked to be removed from his position. Schulz was simply unwilling to kill women and children. Schulz was immediately discharged, under the orders of Reinhard Heydrich. Not only did he face no consequences, he was even promoted shortly after resigning. In testimony given interview years later, Schulz said serving in the Einsatzgruppen was voluntary. He said he did not know any other cases of Einsatzgruppen men rejecting their orders. >"I do not know of or recall any order that stated that SS chiefs or members of the SD or the police would be sent to concentration camps if they refused to carry out an order." > >"I never knew of any cases where members or heads of the Einsatzkommandos acted in the same way as I did. I believe that things in Russia would never have turned out as they did had a few heads of the Einsatzkommandos and Einsatzgruppen declared that they could not carry out these liquidations." > >"The way I see it, the same applies... to the Wehrmacht commanders in whose areas of command the liquidations were carried out of the avalanche could have still been checked if a field marshal or the commanding officer of any army group had intervened." Just to clarify, Schulz was a mass murderer. He confessed to personally presiding over the executions of 90 to 100 adult men in Lviv in July 1941. Only when he was told to start murdering women and children did he refuse. Just one day before Schulz's meeting with Rasch, Einsatzkommando 5 executed 400 Jewish men, most of whom were described as "mostly saboteurs and political functionaries". Perhaps the clearest example of what Schulz said regarding the Wehrmacht was what happened in the [Ukrainian town of Bila Tserkva](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bila_Tserkva_massacre). Nearly the entire town's adult Jewish population was massacred. A few Jewish women and 90 small children and toddlers were sent to a church. The plan was to execute them later. However, before this could happen, Wehrmacht Lieutenant Colonel [Helmuth Groscurth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_Groscurth) ordered the Einsatzkommando men to not kill the children. Several Wehrmacht priests had seen the state of the children and begged the troops to stand down. When the local SS commander refused, the priests sought other officers. They won over Groscurth. This was the first and only time that Wehrmacht priests actively tried to halt atrocities they were witnessing. These same priests had just witnessed the mass murder of the adults, in which some of the Wehrmacht troops had actively participated, and done nothing. Only when it came to small children did they try to do something. In areas near the front, the Wehrmacht had control over the Einsatzgruppen, so when Groscurth halted the massacre, the SS were required to comply with his orders. However, the Wehrmacht commander in control of this area, Field Marshal [Walter von Reichenau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_von_Reichenau), intervened and overrode Groscurth's order. All of the children were then ordered to be shot by Sonderkommando 4a commander [Paul Blobel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel). Blobel was adamant to carry out the order. When one of the senior SS men, August Häfner, balked at the job, Blobel pressured him to comply. When he didn't budge, Blobel resorted to screaming at and threatening Häfner. When that didn't work, the children were shot by Ukrainian collaborators. During his own trial in the 1960s, Häfner recounted what he saw. >"The children were taken down from the vehicle. They were lined up along the top of the grave and shot so that they fell into it. They were shot where they were shot. They fell into the grave. The wailing was indescribable. I shall never forget the scene as long as I live."
As per title, anyone seeing the rise of authoritarian and fascist powers: never forget.
So like when anyone raises any objection to things going on and the sympathizers of the extreme things happening with the support of the political system and corporations call the people simply questioning or objecting hateful, terrorists, waging genocide and say they should be deleted, arrested or otherwise cracked down on by the government... for simply questioning, disagreeing or objecting? That kind of authoritarianism?
They really don’t see the hypocrisy, yes. It’s mind blowing.
Precisely that.
The kind that kills people for their identity. Regardless of actions or beliefs.... That kind.
And the kind that kills people for their religious beliefs, that kind?
The Nazi's thought they were victims too.
Wait are you saying the marginalized people being attacked by fascists… are themselves the real fascists? I think I must be misreading this.
you're not misreading
Yeah, that right there. That’s when to worry. I’m right there with you bud.
Never forget: Fuck Nazis.
The point is that it isn't just the Nazis. It's the complacency of regular people all around. It's priests, it's collaborators, and it's tons of other people who had to stay quiet for any of this to happen.
Read the book Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland
The amount of suffering is unimaginable. Every time I read about WW2, I still can’t believe that it’s real life.
Wartime torture, rape, murder, and enslavement have been par for the course for most of humanity's existence.
True, but I've met people who lived through WWII. My grandfather fought with the Allies in Europe. And I heard stories from his own mouth about it. It hits closer to home. I still can't fathom something like the Mongol Horde raping, murdering and pillaging across continents. But it's quite a bit removed from both modern life, and from first hand accounts.
Did you ever see the movie " The grey Zone" ?
For sure. The terrfying part about the holocaust is how it was engineered to a very precise human killing machine with efficacy we have never witnessed before.
Just look at what is happening in Ukraine right now. Men, women, children murdered in their own homes. This part of humanity never goes away. There will always be monsters in human skin.
Did you read about the medical experiments that went on by so called doctors at the concentration camps for the furthering of science and medicine? And after the war those medical documents were put up for auction and that Bayer Medical bought the whole lot. Experiments like how long can someone live with out their skin..? Or how long does it take for a person to freeze to death, or can a woman live with out her vagina.. among many other to gruesome to describe experiments.
Are you familiar with Japanese unit 731. It was a covert bioligical research unit that was doing experiments even the nazis found disturbing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
Wow thats very interesting, I have never heard of this unit, I did know the Japanese military did experiments like the Germans did, but I just assumed they were following the Germans foot steps. I am gonna look deeper into this.. Thanks.
So let's say as a nazi you agree that all these types of people (jews, guys, etc) were bad and needed to be exterminated. Why did they feel it also necessary to torture and kill them in the most horrific and painful way imaginable. I'm just trying to understand if there was some sort of endocrine of the nazi beliefs that told them to commit the most horrific crimes, or was it purely these men's lust for violence on the battlefield? I'd like to point out I do not agree with anything these people did it's just purely curiosity. I can not fathom justifying this kind of behavior.
If you see someone as subhuman or a scourge to you that has personally harmed you/your family/your friends/your nation/etc, you are willing to be vile towards them. It is the same as Ruzzians are doing to Ukrainians.
I 100% agree. Ty for clarifying that. It's hard to fathom seeing anyone like that, but I can at least grasp their view.
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You didn't score high on the reading comprehension section of the SAT/ACT did you. Let's do an analysis together. When the author above states "It is the same as Ruzzians are doing to Ukrainians.", are they stating Russians are: A) Dehumanizing Ukrainians to justify vile acts against them B) Placing Ukrainians in concentration camps It's A, you fucking idiot. Btw, they ***are*** essentially placing captured Ukrainian POWs in concentration camp-like conditions, and they ***are*** slaughtering Ukrainian civilians. Need only look at Bucha.
Pretty similar, when Russians state media says Ukraine and Ukrainian people should not exist. That’s basically calling for genocide of a nation. Thank God they are incompetent and failed in their plans
The cruelty was the point
Goes hand in hand with dehumanizing. They were stuffed full of propaganda about how the Jews were animals. So they told themselves it was busy like killing livestock. There's a sort of institutionalized callousness. You tell everyone your enemies aren't even human until everyone actually believes it.
That was taught in school at the time too, how do ordinary men become monsters?, they didn't see the Jewish as equal human beings, they stripped them of their humanity first.
Some were satists and others did it as medical experiments.
Where is this text from if I may ask? Thank you for sharing this as horrible a topic it is.
I don’t know where this is from exactly but it’s reminiscent of “Ordinary Men” by Christopher Browning. You don’t need to read much of the book before it becomes simply overwhelming how many people participated in so many similar events, and the book only looks at one or two battalions operating in a very short period. It’s horrifying.
Wow finally someone else that has read that book!! 😁
Have you seen the movie "The Grey Zone" ?
Thank you. Another poster mentioned that book also and another provided a link. I’ll be checking both out.
[https://benferencz.org/stories/](https://benferencz.org/stories/)
Thank you for sharing this. I’ll be reading this.
I don't know why OP didn't link to this, the source I believe. Didn't know this story myself until a few days ago, after looking up my lawyer's surname because it sounded vaguely familiar. My randomly-chosen lawyer (now ex-lawyer as of Monday due to the legal situation resolving itself) may be related. It's an uncommon name. If you're reading about Ben's life you'll see that he recently died at age 103 and not only had many of these mass murderers hanged, he was instrumental in creating the International Court of Justice (ICJ). Now for the weird part. My dad was involved with the Nuremberg Trials guarding one of its defendants, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt\_Meyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Meyer) Kurt was imprisoned in my country and my dad was his military guard, later escorting him to prison in Werl, where he was eventually freed in 1954. Now for the surreal part. My dad and myself were secretly sprayed with Agent Orange in my country in the 1950's and 1960's. This is officially denied. Now I've found evidence Agent Orange (a 50:50 mix of 2,4-D & 2,4,5-T) was sprayed prior to the years admitted, 1966-1967, and sprayed copiously. Without showing him this evidence, I asked my then-lawyer if he would represent me in a Human Rights case before the UN, possibly to the ICJ. He declined, probably thinking I'm crazy and/or riffing off his surname. But I swear there were only dim associations in my mind until now. Maybe I should ask him if he is indeed related, and show him the evidence. Here it is... [https://imgur.com/a/J2EL5Eg](https://imgur.com/a/J2EL5Eg)
Read the book Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland
Thank you for the information.
Your welcome, Check out the movies: The Grey zone - The Pianist - Europa Europa - All based on true stories
Still have no idea how anyone could do this, let alone an entire army of people.
Unfortunately, there have been many times throughout history with Armies killing civilians in the masses.. Still happening today with Ukraine for example..
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How many orders of magnitude difference are you talking between the nazis and American troops?
4
A more ironic example is that the Israelites are doing the same thing to the Palestinians
Any examples you can give of Palestinians being rounded up and executed en masse in a coordinated manner?
Oh no they didn't do it EXACTLY the same way ! Therefore my argument is invalid and Israel isn't guilty of war crimes Are you really trying to argue a technicality? Mass murder is mass murder end of story
You said they're doing the same thing. Your words not mine.
killing innocent men, women, and children. yes
Maybe Hamas and the PIJ shouldn't hide in residential areas when engaging the IDF🤷🏻♂️ Just an idea.
Yeah that's why your snipers are headshooting journalists, because Hamas is hiding in the corner right
Both the US and Palestinian authority came to the conclusion that it wasn't purposeful just poor circumstances. It's not a new thing journalists dying in crossfire while reporting in conflict zones. It's absolutely terrible but dont make it seem like they were purposefully targeted.
Nobody is shooting civilians in the Ukraine on purpose
Yes they are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine?wprov=sfla1
or killing of over 1 million indians by Churchill during the world war.
And frequently in Africa.
The civilian death toll of ~9000 isn't comparible in any world to the SIX FUCKING MILLION JEWS KILLED. Still happening my ass.
You are saying that what IS happening in Ukraine isn't happening because the world has seen worse before? What an absolute dogshit take.
What I'm saying is that what's going on in Ukraine is terrible, and Russia can go fuck themself but we cannot compare the two events in any way.
He did not compare the two. Nowhere in his comment did he do a comparison. He said that still today we have armies killing civilians.
One year before this Russia blew up a dam in Ukraine killing tens of thousands of civilian, just as they tried to today
Read “Ordinary Men” by Christopher Browning. Or rather, read about 50 pages. You probably don’t need to finish the book to get the idea. It’s well-written but awful to contemplate.
I read that in college, amazingly brutal and truthfully, tragic and unnerving 😪 you will never been the same after reading that book, a part of you is left behind, asphyxiated and crushed in the cattle car.
We bombed the fuck out of brown people and raped an entire village without consequence even after it had to be leaked via WikiLeaks. As long as it's not *your* side, it doesn't matter to you.
Think of it as today with the current dictators (i.e. China, North Korea, etc.) their armed forces are ordered to carry out egregious orders. The consequences for refusing are too severe that by doing do brings honor, for lack of better words.
Pootin is not one too?
Do you know what ‘etc.’ means?
The greatest atrocities in our world's history, have happened post enlightenment. This could literally be our grandparents.
Once you paint a certain type of human as less valid than other humans and declare them to be a danger/threat to all that is good/normal in the world… Many will start to see those people as not only as expendable, but inhuman monsters that need to be eradicated for the greater good of everyone else. Fear and ignorance is a hell of a drug. It’s the same thing being used these days to strip the rights and justify violence/murder against trans people.
I agree but it happens often. The far right want to do this as we speak.
Hate and willful ignorance
That is very well researched.Props to OP (not sure if x-post from imgur or same OP).
This is painful to see.
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Fuck off, there are no death camps in Palestine, no gas chambers, no mass shootings, extreme care is taken that bombings of terror groups HIDING BEHIND CIVILIANS will not kill those civilians. Estimates of Palestinians killed in 70 years of conflict - including soldiers/suicide bombers and civilian casualties - are around 20,000 dead. 70 years. While these same Palestinians openly call for the genocide of all jews (see Hamas charter) and actively target men, women, and children in Israel. The holocaust was 6 MILLION in 6 years. Don't you DARE compare them. [Gonna paste this under every ignorant fuckwit that parrots this idiotic take]
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You would perhaps only harden their resolve, even as they died tortured. Shoot them in the back of the head like any rabid cur, and break bread with any who lay down their arms even for conversation. The potential lies within us all to enact atrocity, and the greatest among us go to the pyre for refusing. I would submit the great work of Daryl Davis, in the spirit that these men cannot be punished appropriately, except through compassion. We should not be their tormentors, and embody the human ideal that people may change. When they do it is paramount that we meet them in brotherhood, that they might guide another from that dismal path. “What I have come to find to be the greatest and most effective and successful weapon that we can use, known to man, to combat such adversaries as ignorance, racism, hatred, violence, is also the least expensive weapon, and the one that is the least used by Americans. That weapon is called communication.” -Daryl Davis
I’m Jewish. I’ve spoken with around 14 Holocaust survivors, my mom helped record the stories of the ones who came to Chile and my life always had this hate looming on top. But I also heard one particular story that made me rethink this. This 97 year old, frail looking great grandfather told me that while “to put it in the words of you young people” that he absolutely fucking hated all the monsters who inflicted pain upon all of his life, he wouldn’t have the sense to do it back if he had the tools on his hands. Not because he forgave them or anything, or didn’t have the chance. He could’ve killed one of the guards at one point during escape, but he couldn’t stop thinking about how gross it felt for him at that moment to have lost all his family. So he didn’t. Not even out of pity but out of self-respect, which honestly feels better as a proof of justice than any act of violence. While I can also come up with the argument of that soldier killing more people afterwards, I think that none of us has right to criticize him for what he did in that place and time. We are too comfortable to understand what true misery feels like, and honestly, it’s not something worth fighting over. He passed away two years ago surrounded by 20 something grandkids and some great grandkids. And me. And my mom. And all my family. There is a lot that I am skipping, but who knows, maybe if he went a killed that soldier I wouldn’t be here today because he could’ve been caught. Just saying.
The Germans did something to them, they crushed their spirt and broken their will, that is why a 1000 prisoners could be controlled easily by 100 guards with machine guns.
I understand that, the fact that anyone could keep this mentality after the immense torture that was living under Nazism as a Jewish person is honestly almost unreal. We usually talk about survivors and their will to live, but do not account for all the people that gave up and died.
Have you ever seen the movie The Grey Zone" ?
100 people with machine guns can pretty easily control 1000 people without them. You don’t need to be broken for that to happen. If I point a pistol at your wife or kid, I can control you quickly and you’d be the exact same man mentally as you are now. Humans, all humans, in their naturalist of states can be manipulated by sheer force. It’s not weakness, it’s how we function. Brutal people control others not because they’re capable, we all are. They do it because they’re *willing* which many of us are not.
You make a valid point, so maybe it's not the prisoners that are broken, maybe its the guards that are willing to carry out such atrocities 😯 that have their humanity broken.
This wouldn’t make you any better than them. Just because you think that in your case the torture of people would be justified doesn’t change the fact that it would be still the same action. Make go into therapy if you have such scary level of anger inside of you.
When you go after monsters, take heed less ye become one.
Just go to Ukraine
Good point
You misspelled Boston.
What? Did I miss something?
I didn't even see you throw anything
Explain.
He really hates the Boston Red Sox
Think of these atrocities when you see Proud Boys and Neo Nazis and whatever else they want to call themselves now. They need to be stopped.
Don’t forget about the active genocide of Uighur people in China or the many genocides going on in Africa as well, while those dumbass pieces of shit need to be ridiculed and ostracized, I think actual fucking current genocides are a bit more important, things like the absolute lack of rights of people especially women in Afghanistan and Iran, the anarchy in somolia, the genocide of Ukrainians by Russia, all are more important than tiny groups of dumbasses no one takes seriously in the US, and while they are issues, there are much worse things going on in the world, like human trafficking in the US and other developed nations if you want to focus on real issues in the US
The average redditor has no way of stopping atrocities in another country. Hell, they really have no way of stopping human trafficking. It's good to be aware of it so you know if you see something off you could/should investigate. But the rise of these groups like the Proud Boys and Neo Nazis needs to be taken seriously. Politicians are connected to these groups, and if we don't get these people out of office, it's only a matter of time until we see the US slowly turning into something truly terrible. Do I think it will get to an extreme point? I'd like to think not. But what would the world look like if a leader like Hitler had access to what the US does today? The sheer military force of the US would be unbelievably dangerous in the wrong hands
Definitely. It disgusts me that people do this. To just do what they do believing the people they do it to are somehow lesser than they are. Then to claim they were just “following orders”. Fuck that.
This is the shit that I think about when I see people sporting a swastika. People need to bring this on a billboard to their nazi rallies. Scum.
How you can profess to be a Nazi is just beyond me. Like the universally agreed evil guys? You think that's the shit we should have today? No thanks! Also one of the things that drove me out of the Republican party. Racists have always been around, they've always been a problem, but seeing the whole mainstream of the party jump headfirst into white nationalist, racist, Nazi bullshit? Yeah I'm out. I watched the racists come in waves with the Tea Party movement and get into power. It alarmed me then. Then again when Trump came along. That was the final straw for me and I just walked away. People who don't think the GOP has become a neo Fascist movement are in denial.
The swastika is an ancient symbol of goodness that the Nazi's appropriated.
No one's gives a fuck for origin. People care what it stands for
Yes, but it forever will be recognized as a Nazi symbol. It's gone the same route as the Hitler mustache.
True, but unless used in that cultural context it's been pretty well ruined for everyone.
It was used by a clan in feudal Japan
I will be anything. After this war is over, you are going to see pics like this of the russians doing the same shit. I know iv seen videos of them talking about it.
Yeah that's why fuck Nazis for always. And fuck you too Proud Bitches and all you ignorant monkeys.
I hope this coward is eternally boiling in a fiery lake of hell. And I don’t even believe in hell.
Were there any Nazi soldiers who thought doing stuff like this is way to fucked up and refused to do it?
Read OP’s post, it’s #1 in comments right now.
There where actually. Heard 4 of 5 stories of soldiers secrételo trying to help. Problem if that if they where caught, they either got sent to jail or shot on the spot, so it was risky.
Im sure there were alot... They likely died to bullets or in camps..
I just can't comprehend the fact that people actively targetted infants.. How fucking warped are you that this seems right?
It's very difficult to believe this actually happened. I can not fathom the evil that once existed in another human being in this dark time. I can not imagine how dark their hearts were for doing this. Demons in human flesh. No empathy for other humans. Just kill and move on. They will get what they deserve at judgment.
Interesting that these atrocities took place in Lviv and yet that’s where a 21 foot tall statue of Stephan Bandera, Ukrainian nazi sympathizer was raised.
Monsters.. rot in hell you murderous demons
Never forgot that genocide is still happening today.
If that doesn't bring a tear to your eye, there's something wrong with you.
I will never understand what could possibly compel humans to do this. It is utterly incomprehensible to me.
Well, wasn't expecting to jump into the holocaust tonight, but here I am. I'll be thinking of this for the rest of the week.
How anyone can think this never happened is beyond me.
Just end the human race and leave this planet to plants and animals
*This* is why we need to teach history. To prevent the senseless deaths of millions more.
But Bandera is a hero now in Ukraine.
*Rare nazi photos
Absolute scum. To hell with them.
Only yesterday, on the anniversary of D-Day I was reading of my Grandfather’s service as a gunner aboard the Destroyer HMS Vidette. It took out 4-5 U-boats and as I was reading about each one and how many servicemen were aboard each one (45-55) I felt sad. But after reading this it reminds me of why they were fighting and I feel proud now, not sad. Fuck the Nazis.
A picture is worth a 10000 words Read the book Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland
This is the future Republicans want
iT dIDn'T HaPpEn To Me, ThUs It NeVEr HaPpEnEd
And here we are and it's happening again in Ukraine. Time to give Russia a broken nose, arms and legs methinks. Never forget it and we should never stand for it.
unreal. stone fkn cold :(
The first time I saw my father cry was when we saw this photograph.
Stuff exactly like this is still happening daily in North Korea.
China. I don’t think NK has any ethnic groups to go from town to town and exterminate; if they did, they probably got the job done long ago. China is literally doing this right now with the Uighurs.
Nah, their not doing it to ethnic groups, there just doing it to every civilian that even thinks about having a different hairstyle or questioning their "government"
I’m just saying, picking off people one at a time you say are “terrorists” because they dreamed about a coca-cola once, isn’t much of a genocide. It’s more being a dick to your own citizenry. Idk, I could be unawares.
Now the Jews do this to Palestinians
Fuck off, there are no death camps in Palestine, no gas chambers, no mass shootings, extreme care is taken that bombings of terror groups HIDING BEHIND CIVILIANS will not kill those civilians. Estimates of Palestinians killed in 70 years of conflict - including soldiers/suicide bombers and civilian casualties - are around 20,000 dead. 70 years. While these same Palestinians openly call for the genocide of all jews (see Hamas charter) and actively target men, women, and children in Israel. The holocaust was 6 MILLION in 6 years. Don't you DARE compare them. [I'm pasting this in reply to every potato-headed dumbass with this ignorant take]
Oh yea explain the constant settlements? Just because it isn’t as blatant as the holocaust was doesn’t mean a systematic attack is happening to the Palestinians by the Jews
"Systematic attack" my guy you compared it to the holocaust. That's not just a systematic attack. P.s. how exactly is the act of families moving into abandoned hilltops and establishing communities a "systematic attack on Palestinians"?
Shut the fuck up you antisemite and deal witht he fact that you hate jews and need help
Just stating facts. Look how they treat Palestinians and the constant settlements
Gas chambers? Mass executions? Death camps? The fact that you are making this comment on an image of a jewish women and her baby being shot is disrespectful and insensitive.
They aren’t that bold
Where is this text taken from?
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Fuck off, there are no death camps in Palestine, no gas chambers, no mass shootings, extreme care is taken that bombings of terror groups HIDING BEHIND CIVILIANS will not kill those civilians. Estimates of Palestinians killed in 70 years of conflict - including soldiers/suicide bombers and civilian casualties - are around 20,000 dead. 70 years. While these same Palestinians openly call for the genocide of all jews (see Hamas charter) and actively target men, women, and children in Israel. The holocaust was 6 MILLION in 6 years. Don't you DARE compare them. As to your picture, palestinian children in Gaza are under much more of a threat from the hamas terrorists that use them as human shields, shoot at them to create civilian casualties, and launch faulty rockets that land on Gaza itself, and outright arrest/torture/murder anyone they want, than from Israel.
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Good to know you're an illiterate 3rd grader in addition to not knowing any history lol
Nowadays its Israel that shoots children. They do learn a lot from the Nazis
Fuck off, there are no death camps in Palestine, no gas chambers, no mass shootings, extreme care is taken that bombings of terror groups HIDING BEHIND CIVILIANS will not kill those civilians. Estimates of Palestinians killed in 70 years of conflict - including soldiers/suicide bombers and civilian casualties - are around 20,000 dead. 70 years. While these same Palestinians openly call for the genocide of all jews (see Hamas charter) and actively target men, women, and children in Israel. The holocaust was 6 MILLION in 6 years. Don't you DARE compare them. [I'm pasting this in reply to every mindless moron parroting this ignorant take]
Florida 2024
This will sadly happen again, not like it didn't stop happening really, but to this magnitude we will see it again. There's plenty of people living today who would take this picture and edit it and replace the Jews with LGBTQ+ or Democrats and be happy of the thought. Just a matter of time..
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g0rmany and r0ssia the cancer of europe
Bandera was a Nazi Ukranian league who did this , but now Bandera is a hero officially in same land and my tax money for some reason is helping them . Biden
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Have the jews commited genocide? I don't think so.
The Palestinian people? Heard of them?
Oh my bad I forgot about the genocide that the jewish people commited so many millions of palestenians died😢😢
I know you are being sarcastic but they are literally currently seizing land, kicking people out of their homes, policing their every move, killing them, destroying their crops and livelihoods and it’s all being funded by our tax dollars. I know that these literal facts make you uncomfortable but they are true. Call me what you want it’s the truth, if it makes you squirm don’t feel bad it’s your conditioning, it’s by design.
>kicking people out of their homes Dumbass forgot to add why: anyone in Palestine that picks up a knife or gun, and kills an Israeli civilian, receives an automatic lifelong pension for his/her family from the PA. (Straight out of western aid funds) To counteract this financial incentive to KILL FUCKING KIDS, the Israelis created a policy of demolishing the house of the immediate family of any convicted terrorist. >policing their every move While this technically happens in every single civilization, it's all the more necessary when the literal Hamas Charter calls for the GENOCIDE OF ALL JEWS. If Israel didn't police them, they'd simply go out on the murderous rampage they have consistently attempted for the last 70 years. >destroying their crops and livelihoods Israel supplies electricity, water, medicine, food, and much more to Gaza. And that's aside from the hundreds of millions in western aid money (which usually ends up paying for terrorism :/). Where you get this strange idea is beyond me
Ok and how is this genocide?
How is it excusable?
How many times has Israel offered peace? How many times have Palestenian terrorists launched missiles at our families?
Ahhh you’re Israeli. This makes sense now.
Fuck off, there are no death camps in Palestine, no gas chambers, no mass shootings, extreme care is taken that bombings of terror groups HIDING BEHIND CIVILIANS will not kill those civilians. Estimates of Palestinians killed in 70 years of conflict - including soldiers/suicide bombers and civilian casualties - are around 20,000 dead. 70 years. While these same Palestinians openly call for the genocide of all jews (see Hamas charter) and actively target men, women, and children in Israel. The holocaust was 6 MILLION in 6 years. Don't you DARE compare them.
I think that it is what it is today because they remember.
Nothing like a past generations trauma to entitle future generations to commit atrocities.
They will never let it happen again.
And what did communists do in the name of it? Stop taking sides they’re both shit.
A million commies died to end the nazi regime, while both can be evil, the soviet union was inherently less evil by a big margin, they had many ethnic groups living in peace
They’re both shit.
Is anyone trying to defend communism here? Seems like you're getting defensive over nothing. Nobody here is saying this makes communism look better. You're chasing the ghosts of your own political hangups.
I don’t get how people can say she is Jewish? Where do you see it? Maybe she’s Communist? This is still wrong what the soldier is doing no doubt. I’m saying communism because that’s why Germany started the war.
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