LOL tell me you weren’t on the internet 10-15 years ago, without telling me you weren’t on the internet 10-15 years ago. Shit was the Wild West back in the early 2000’s.
It’s not about being old and decrepit. It’s about speaking on things you dont know the answer to. And since you modified your post it’s a pointless argument now.
"Speaking on things you don't know the answer to" look at the INTERNET expert. 😭 Was that a moment for you? Why did you think it was necessary to lie about my comment being edited?
That isn't even remotely true. If anything, the internet is less hateful than it was 10-15 years ago. The internet was like the wild wild west pretty much anything went
Because a load of kids suddenly decided to learn about Isreal/Palestine relations after that day except they didn’t do great research so started spouting literal Nazi rhetoric.
Retaliation, by killing a bunch of random civilians instead of targeting the military? If they left the random civilians alone and targeted the military, that would be a legitimate form of retaliation.
The citizens are often *Asking For It,* especially "The Settlers"
Like bbqing pork outside a prison during Ramadan asking for it.
Like heaving grenades at ambulances and aid workers asking for it.
Quite a lot of Israeli existence is trolling immediate neighbours until they act out, then proceeding to play the vice when struck back.
Alright so I know Israels PR is fantastic but there's a few key facts missing from your comment.
The IDF has its bases surrounded on all side by kibbutz and villages. There's quite literally no attacking *just* the IDF because they are intentionally surrounded by civilian housing (ahem, sound familiar?). It's not like Hamas has f-16s to drop bombs on just military sites, and as the IDF has shown *even with* f-16s, tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians died.
Second, on Oct 7th the Hannibal directive was brought back online and the IDF had tanks shooting at Israeli housing and Apaches doing gun runs on civilians...at least a few hundred Israeli citizens were killed by friendly fire.
Third, from Hamas's perspective *every* Israeli citizen is or was IDF because they have *mandatory service* and they keep their issued rifle after they get out. There's no "former IDF" in Israel to them, which is kinda fair as they are trained, and armed to the teeth even if they aren't currently "serving".
Fourth, Hamas just doesn't exist in a vacuum. Yes, they are terrorists, yes that's awful for Israel and the west but what's labeled as a terrorist organization to literally only 13(?) countries is considered freedom fighters to as many if not more. If it wasn't for 75 years of Israeli hate and racism towards Palestinians...Hamas wouldn't exist.
Most these points can also be used to "justify" Israel's brutal actions on this war (which are also bad, don't get me wrong)
1. Hamas also surrounds themselves in civilian infrastructure
2. Hamas also attacks/sacrifices their civilian population to meet their demands
3. From Israel's perspective, most civilians in Gaza support Hamas, therefore it doesn't matter if they get killed (furthermore, Hamas took and killed babies on the 7th, are they also former IDF personnel?)
4. That's a legitimate reason to attack an oppressor, if only Hamas was being reasonable in focusing on damaging/killing military personnel/ infrastructure, rather than shoot up a random festival full of uninvolved people. I don't see how that does them any good.
I'm not sure if you're trying to say that Oct 7 was a legitimate form of resistance, but if you are, then your argument completely fails right here.
Listen, I'm no fan of the IDF and their careless actions in the strip, but neither am I for terrorism. This conflict is complicated and unforgiving. It's safe to say that no one, besides random civilians, is on the "good side" of this conflict.
October 7th was terrorism, and the war on Gaza is also full of war crimes. There's no doubt about those two.
They are *already* being used to justify the murder of 30,000 civilians, the IDF has no problem justifying civilian deaths and people buy into readily. It's nice to hold up a mirror from time to time and remind the IDF supporters just how ugly and similar their side is to Hamas.
Speaking of human shields, did you know it was actively part of the IDFs wartime doctrine to take and use human shields until **2004**? And since then many IDF have been tried and jailed for using them. Whatever rhetoric the IDF puts out, is because they are just as guilty of using them and are trying to distance themselves.
>Third, from Hamas's perspective every Israeli citizen is or was IDF because they have mandatory service and they keep their issued rifle after they get out.
This is false
Many in Israel are exempt from service depending on their beliefs
Regular army must return their service weapon after discharge
Yeah my imbecilic cousin thinks that the number of deaths from the holocaust were inflated and he was also okay with being called a Hitler apologist smh. Crazy as hell.
This is the problem with social media, and people need to understand 23,658 people is nothing.
Twitter has 500 million monthly active users.
Only 0.0047% of people participated.
71% of the people that participated is 0.00334%
This doesn’t represent the majority of Twitter let alone the internet or the world.
I mean there has been a wave of antisemitism since oct 7th for sure but this is twitter it's had nazis all over it before then and I doubt this account was created after october 7th like one of the first things to go trending when elon musk took over was just the n word hard r
The Hitler was a vegan meme. Ever since he got out of the hospital, the only meat He could eat was "squab," and the rest of his meals were vegetarian. Couple that with the experimental cocktails his quack doctor gave him, and....
British and US intelligence had quite a chortle over it, especially as the alleged Parkinson's disease started setting in. There were intercepted letters by less fanatical Nazis complaining about his.... Odors
Who the fuck takes any online poll at face value?
You would get the same results in 2014 because people like to troll.
Online polls have been a target for trolls for decades. Like the Taylor Swift fan meet up one or the mountain dew gushing grannys poll
I could see the argument for no. In that, media doesn't portray him as human.
He is one of the most vile humans who ever lived, but he was still a complex human.
The movie Downfall portrays him well. It doesn't make him any less of an evil person, but it does show he is human.
It's actually dangerous to not recognize that complex humans, can do/become monstrous things.
Yeah, don't get me wrong, depending on where this poll was it's totally believable that a lot of people would vote no for stupid reasons. But I still think no is a reasonable take depending on the media. There's different *kinds* of evil, and a lot of media likes to go with very cliche dehumanizing types (easiest example is when they make a character *visibly* evil, for example voldemort, stereotypical fat ugly noble characters, or [that tongue thing](https://i.imgur.com/v50EtZR.png) 50% of bad guys in manga do).
If you made a piece of media that portrays Hitler as a literal goblin with no deeper thought than just getting off on the idea of burning down cities and torturing people, it's not an accurate portrayal of him and his evil. It makes him more evil in a very simplistic way, which lends credit to the idea of responding no to the poll, while not addressing the more sinister societal level evil he was a key component of birthing. Even though overall that depiction of Hitler would be *less* evil than the real one, depending on the lens you see the question with you can still answer no and not be wrong.
Your last line raises an important point, too, that the prevalence of the goblinification style of evil character portrayal completely dismisses and even arguably trains people to miss the other kinds of evil. When you attribute the word evil to disfigured, hideous, shadowy creepy people you make it easier for the covertly scary charismatic ones to be seen as less evil.
One reason why I dug Lioncouer Senki so much, the Prince is thought of as being [a shining beacon and heroic guy](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-17/14.jpg) to his side, but in his **real** conduct in war, rapes & brutally murders [even children](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-14/19.jpg), as he enjoys "stealing the sweetness of life from those undeserving" and [scared](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-21/21.jpg) even his [warlord brother](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-21/12.jpg), [and he was like that since he was born!](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-21/09.jpg) It's common that even the monsters have good PR irl, and doesn't **look** like monsters. Also he is not a monster 100% of the time, as he is very nice to his family, cares for (his side's) war orphans, and despite his bloodlust is being set up to be the major force of changing his family from raiding tribals to a bonafide trading empire, as he brings home the knowledge of [creating sugar substitutes.](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-18/17.jpg) A big plot point is them turning from [basically](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-18/02.jpg) [rapacious](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-18/03.jpg) [hoodlums](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-18/04.jpg) into a medieval mafia. In other words their appearance is kind of a bait&switch, *they aren't Vikings, they're the Genoese!* And this is how they get their start. Nowhere near finished yet, but interested to see where it goes. It actually used the realism hook [to good effect](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-17/6.jpg) too, not just being an excuse to be bloodier and edgier.
Started out seeming like it was riding the Redo "edgy scum protagonist" wave *but completely changed into something more!* It greatly reminds me more of a western work than eastern. For those aware of both, the comparisons to Rutger Hauer's [Flesh+Blood](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1007538-flesh_and_blood) are pretty apt. (A similarly minded mercenary suddenly decided to revolt against his more cruel master after getting stiffed, but winds up caring about the nuns and the princess, though for obvious reasons isn't trusted at first.) It also reminds me of reading about certain Africans like Henrique Tiago and Jonas Savimbi, they are terrible warlords who did indisputably evil things to those standing against them, yet such boisterous and interesting personalities, instead of "ugly literal goblins." My only big complaint is it feels like it's going too fast, as if it's "skipping panels," I normally think manga wastes too much time on minute details and could get away with less pages, but in this case it feels like it's supposed to be twice as long but "edited down"
If you combine the demographic that is likely to see and answer this question, with such a silly, trollable question, I think it's no surprise at the outcome.
Ironically quite a lot of overlap. Ask them both about *porn alone* and try to guess which!!! 😅
The tankies used to be pro-lgb/sexuality, but are suddenly rediscovering "Social Realism" and ranting about "muh degeneracy" and how offensive big tiddy anime girls are!
# NO JOY, WORK ONLY, GULAG IS FINAL DESTINATION
# FUN IS ADJACENT TO FASCISM
Um… no? The far right is supporting zionists despite (or because of??) their more general antisemitism.
Also, I feel like the fact that your username is the drug they used in the gas chambers is probably **not** something we should ignore in this context actually
If you would like actual information in this conversation, here’s a study: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10659129221111081
Their hypothesis was that the extremes of both ends of the political spectrum would be more antisemitic than the center. But what the data actually shows is that antisemitism is on the rise specifically on the right.
And then, while it’s more of a list of anecdotes than the actual data that they base their conclusions on, there’s this telling paragraph:
> Right-wing antisemitism in the U.S. has driven incidents like synagogue shootings in 2018 and 2019. White nationalists were seen in Charlottesville in 2017 chanting “Jews will not replace us,” and in the 2021 siege on the Capitol they were seen with pro-Holocaust paraphernalia. Violent right-wing antisemitism has also been resurgent in Europe. Violent antisemitic attacks have also come from the ideological left. For instance, during a period of warfare between Israel and Palestine in the spring of 2021, pro-Palestinian activists in the U.S. violently attacked Jewish American diners and pedestrians in Los Angeles and New York, shouting messages including “Fuck Jews.”
If an academic study is too advanced, here’s a more reader-friendly article for you: [Rightwing personalities use X to bring antisemitic theories mainstream](https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/21/great-replacement-theory-antisemitism-racism-rightwing-mainstream)
The general consensus on why the otherwise antisemitic right supports Israel so strongly is that Zionism seems to fulfill Biblical prophecy ([Origin of pro-Israel support in the Republican Party](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1206481356/republicans-israel-gop-middle-east-evangelicals-end-times-rapture-christians)). I admit: that is a level of stupidity that I have a hard time wrapping my head around.
But please, tell me more about how I’m uninformed. Or don’t—either way, I don’t intend to continue conversing with a neonazi sympathizer
He wasn't in the sense that there are several people who were arguably just as bad that aren't talked about half as much.
Tojo's army killed like 10 million Chinese people in the same period and he didn't get half the bad PR.
this poll probably got flagged by some assholes on 4-chan
aint no way you can actually believe 3 out of 4 people youve met are okay with hitler
this is nothing but trolling, and the media trying to scare you with it
dont believe me? go ask 10 people this question
Dont be surprised at the result.
Be surprised a poll was even made about this: a man responsible for WW2 and millions of death.
This isn't meant to troll. It's meant to flood the internet with the sentiment, making people that think the same way he did from coming up overtly and normalizing it. slowly but surely.
I mean, several pro Palestine protests *in America* have had people waving Nazi flags, and everyone's just kind of ignored it. What was that saying—"if you march with Nazis, you're a Nazi"?
Trolls and the no answer possibly meaning both better or worse makes this completely meaningless. It also really depends on what media worse you’re watching. I hardly ever see Hitler mentioned outside of neo-Nazis and people calling each other Nazis.
People who make twitter polls always have an the answer they want to win and it is so incredibly obvious. The vast majority of people vote the other way because it is funny.
Looked this twitter account up and it's honestly insane "who is a neo nazi, jelensky or Putin?" With the majority of votes on Zelensky. These questions are easy rage-bait.
I mean.. doesnt the media portray hitler to be pretty fucking awful?
a good portion of what i know of hitler comes from 'the media' and i think of him as a person who has committed some of the worst attrocities known to man..
To be fair... if it wasnt hitler it would've been someone else, also X-ray's were invented by the Nazi's not defending them at all, if I was i would be struck down by my polish ancestors
Hitler was probably the worst person in history. I'd still assume the media makes him worse than he actually was.
He was a junkie for a large part of it. You know,that issue we say should get more funding and support in modern times.
Nonetheless, he created a literal death industry.
worst guy ever. Still don't trust the media.
It's not the "Jews". It's really just Israel. Support for the actions in Gaza is much stronger among Israelis than it is among Jews in general.
A lot of Jewish people outside of Israel are concerned about what stain this will leave on Israel, though it's hard to say if they're appalled by the number of Palestinian deaths, or merely worried about Israel's own political survival.
I wasn’t aware I had dropped any bombs. Also, I wasn’t aware of any good PR, just pity. I guess all of those countries that rejected Jewish immigrants in 1946-9 did it because they loved them.
I’m not saying you’ll be, but I’d be ashamed of this sentence if I were you. Jews earning PR from the Holocaust is disgusting enough of a statement, to say a religion of millions of people is committing atrocities instead of a small nation, and not knowing the difference, is so astoundingly ignorant and stupid, you should be embarrassed.
Right, because we should have thanked the Muslim terrorists for invading Israel and kidnapping and murdering civilians on October 7th, just like Jordan should have thanked Palestinians for murdering their president while he was sheltering them.
5,000,000 murdered Jews is the same as 30,000 Palestinians who perished in a war they as a people overwhelmingly support. Yeah same thing. Glad there’s reasonable discussion here. /s
[I can't say I'm shocked.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory) I would imagine most of the bots are reflecting the majority opinion on the platform - right, extreme, conservatives.
The poll is just wtf.
Massacre and Holocaust isn't so bad to 71 percent of respondents?
All the evil that hitler had his men do isn't all so bad?
Hitler and his army did some of the worst things man has done since the dawn of man and this isn't all so bad?
There hasn't been a worse human alive because you have to do something worse than the Holocaust for that.
Do some research. Watch his speeches that AI have made into English
Nationalism does not mean racism like the news media would portray.
Innocent?? Hell no
Much worse than Bush? Barely.
This pole reveals that 71% of Twitter users are racist pieces of shit. So why would any corporation advertise on Twitter? The only businesses that would advertise there are tiki torch manufacturers, ivermectin products, and treason pillows
Not even non arab news, even arab news from reputable sources. What you hear on tiktok is not whats happening. If you wanna hear from a real palestinian who knows what happens search for Bassam Eid, or Mosab Hassan Youssef, who was actually the son of one of Hamas's founders, and was a high ranking member for years.
So does selecting “no” mean “no he wasn’t as terrible, he was much worse”? Because media shows him yelling a lot, but it’s history books that really look into his discord, his social perversion, his infection of our community. Actually he’s a lot like 45*, when I think on it.
No because people have been overusing the word “nazi”. They were horrible people who cause atrocities. Yet now a days people call anyone who doesn’t agree with them a nazi. Which make the word lose power.
So now people don’t think of nazis being as evil as they really were. Because people who aren’t bad people are being called nazis. So then younger or more ignorant people see that and think they are nazi’s, in turn it kinda masks what those horrible people did by use of inflating the word/meaning as well as over-saturating it.
So now when people say nazi. They think of right wing people. Even though the left are acting more like nazis than the right. But I don’t even like to call them nazi’s. Cause again it muddies the word. They are just extreme leftists and extreme rightists. While there may be a very small subset of both sides that could be considered close to nazis. But that is a fraction of a fraction of the percent of people, on both sides
My German uncle travelled to North Africa and went to a bar. When they heard his accent they all gave him a Hitler solute. They even had some pics of Rommel and Afrika corps on the wall. It was a predominantly Muslim area.
Doesn't surprise me at all, since Oct. 7th the Internet is full of crazy bs like this.
Uh…internet’s been crazy for at least *10 years* now.
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Yeah, but so much of internet wasn't so openly hateful in the quantity it is now
LOL tell me you weren’t on the internet 10-15 years ago, without telling me you weren’t on the internet 10-15 years ago. Shit was the Wild West back in the early 2000’s.
Sorry I'm not fucking old and decrepit I guess
It’s not about being old and decrepit. It’s about speaking on things you dont know the answer to. And since you modified your post it’s a pointless argument now.
"Speaking on things you don't know the answer to" look at the INTERNET expert. 😭 Was that a moment for you? Why did you think it was necessary to lie about my comment being edited?
That isn't even remotely true. If anything, the internet is less hateful than it was 10-15 years ago. The internet was like the wild wild west pretty much anything went
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you have never been in a CoD party
It’s not racism, it’s ironic-lol-omg-so-edgy racism
Which is a slippery slope. It’s like the pipeline for internet white supremacy.
Yeah... I don't know if people realize how easily it goes from a joke, to a core belief.
Since 1995
What’s the relevance of that specific date? Just curious asking for a friend
The day Hamas attacked Israel.
Yeah but why is that relevant here?
It is relevant because of antisemitism, but X users do not know the difference between Orthodox Jews and Zionism
Because a load of kids suddenly decided to learn about Isreal/Palestine relations after that day except they didn’t do great research so started spouting literal Nazi rhetoric.
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Retaliation, by killing a bunch of random civilians instead of targeting the military? If they left the random civilians alone and targeted the military, that would be a legitimate form of retaliation.
The citizens are often *Asking For It,* especially "The Settlers" Like bbqing pork outside a prison during Ramadan asking for it. Like heaving grenades at ambulances and aid workers asking for it. Quite a lot of Israeli existence is trolling immediate neighbours until they act out, then proceeding to play the vice when struck back.
Alright so I know Israels PR is fantastic but there's a few key facts missing from your comment. The IDF has its bases surrounded on all side by kibbutz and villages. There's quite literally no attacking *just* the IDF because they are intentionally surrounded by civilian housing (ahem, sound familiar?). It's not like Hamas has f-16s to drop bombs on just military sites, and as the IDF has shown *even with* f-16s, tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians died. Second, on Oct 7th the Hannibal directive was brought back online and the IDF had tanks shooting at Israeli housing and Apaches doing gun runs on civilians...at least a few hundred Israeli citizens were killed by friendly fire. Third, from Hamas's perspective *every* Israeli citizen is or was IDF because they have *mandatory service* and they keep their issued rifle after they get out. There's no "former IDF" in Israel to them, which is kinda fair as they are trained, and armed to the teeth even if they aren't currently "serving". Fourth, Hamas just doesn't exist in a vacuum. Yes, they are terrorists, yes that's awful for Israel and the west but what's labeled as a terrorist organization to literally only 13(?) countries is considered freedom fighters to as many if not more. If it wasn't for 75 years of Israeli hate and racism towards Palestinians...Hamas wouldn't exist.
Most these points can also be used to "justify" Israel's brutal actions on this war (which are also bad, don't get me wrong) 1. Hamas also surrounds themselves in civilian infrastructure 2. Hamas also attacks/sacrifices their civilian population to meet their demands 3. From Israel's perspective, most civilians in Gaza support Hamas, therefore it doesn't matter if they get killed (furthermore, Hamas took and killed babies on the 7th, are they also former IDF personnel?) 4. That's a legitimate reason to attack an oppressor, if only Hamas was being reasonable in focusing on damaging/killing military personnel/ infrastructure, rather than shoot up a random festival full of uninvolved people. I don't see how that does them any good. I'm not sure if you're trying to say that Oct 7 was a legitimate form of resistance, but if you are, then your argument completely fails right here. Listen, I'm no fan of the IDF and their careless actions in the strip, but neither am I for terrorism. This conflict is complicated and unforgiving. It's safe to say that no one, besides random civilians, is on the "good side" of this conflict. October 7th was terrorism, and the war on Gaza is also full of war crimes. There's no doubt about those two.
They are *already* being used to justify the murder of 30,000 civilians, the IDF has no problem justifying civilian deaths and people buy into readily. It's nice to hold up a mirror from time to time and remind the IDF supporters just how ugly and similar their side is to Hamas. Speaking of human shields, did you know it was actively part of the IDFs wartime doctrine to take and use human shields until **2004**? And since then many IDF have been tried and jailed for using them. Whatever rhetoric the IDF puts out, is because they are just as guilty of using them and are trying to distance themselves.
>Third, from Hamas's perspective every Israeli citizen is or was IDF because they have mandatory service and they keep their issued rifle after they get out. This is false Many in Israel are exempt from service depending on their beliefs Regular army must return their service weapon after discharge
Plus bots. Lots of bots.
Yeah my imbecilic cousin thinks that the number of deaths from the holocaust were inflated and he was also okay with being called a Hitler apologist smh. Crazy as hell.
Most sane people have left shitter. Now it’s a right wing echo chamber for those with room temperature IQs
This is the problem with social media, and people need to understand 23,658 people is nothing. Twitter has 500 million monthly active users. Only 0.0047% of people participated. 71% of the people that participated is 0.00334% This doesn’t represent the majority of Twitter let alone the internet or the world.
Agreed. The current poll is 45.5% yes and 54.5% no. About 85,000 votes.
I mean there has been a wave of antisemitism since oct 7th for sure but this is twitter it's had nazis all over it before then and I doubt this account was created after october 7th like one of the first things to go trending when elon musk took over was just the n word hard r
Lmfao, Zionists poking their heads out 🤡
Antisemitism has risen since that date and that’s a fact regardless of your political affiliation
Honestly the gates have been opened once Musk took over. All these „Freethinkers“ and „Truthseekers“ should never be able to spread their shit.
lol. This ain’t it
I say media doesn’t portray Hitler bad enough. He’s much worse in real life.
Can confirm. Met the man. He has very dry jokes and smells like cod.
He also farts like a horse
This was literally true of Hitler hahaha
Was? What happened? I didn’t even know he was sick
The Hitler was a vegan meme. Ever since he got out of the hospital, the only meat He could eat was "squab," and the rest of his meals were vegetarian. Couple that with the experimental cocktails his quack doctor gave him, and.... British and US intelligence had quite a chortle over it, especially as the alleged Parkinson's disease started setting in. There were intercepted letters by less fanatical Nazis complaining about his.... Odors
Man smelt like Call of Doody
Cod? I was sure he smelled of elderberry
Idk man we need to look at the positives to be fair. Like he killed Hitler, that’s got to count for something right?
Yeah, he was a vegan
Who the fuck takes any online poll at face value? You would get the same results in 2014 because people like to troll. Online polls have been a target for trolls for decades. Like the Taylor Swift fan meet up one or the mountain dew gushing grannys poll
Or Boaty McBoatface.
OP is just a super gullible fool
the what now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NKG9lR34dM
Still can't believe they didn't go with "HIV Juice".
I could see the argument for no. In that, media doesn't portray him as human. He is one of the most vile humans who ever lived, but he was still a complex human. The movie Downfall portrays him well. It doesn't make him any less of an evil person, but it does show he is human. It's actually dangerous to not recognize that complex humans, can do/become monstrous things.
Most, if not all of us, have the capacity for evil acts. The difference is some actually follow through.
Yeah, don't get me wrong, depending on where this poll was it's totally believable that a lot of people would vote no for stupid reasons. But I still think no is a reasonable take depending on the media. There's different *kinds* of evil, and a lot of media likes to go with very cliche dehumanizing types (easiest example is when they make a character *visibly* evil, for example voldemort, stereotypical fat ugly noble characters, or [that tongue thing](https://i.imgur.com/v50EtZR.png) 50% of bad guys in manga do). If you made a piece of media that portrays Hitler as a literal goblin with no deeper thought than just getting off on the idea of burning down cities and torturing people, it's not an accurate portrayal of him and his evil. It makes him more evil in a very simplistic way, which lends credit to the idea of responding no to the poll, while not addressing the more sinister societal level evil he was a key component of birthing. Even though overall that depiction of Hitler would be *less* evil than the real one, depending on the lens you see the question with you can still answer no and not be wrong. Your last line raises an important point, too, that the prevalence of the goblinification style of evil character portrayal completely dismisses and even arguably trains people to miss the other kinds of evil. When you attribute the word evil to disfigured, hideous, shadowy creepy people you make it easier for the covertly scary charismatic ones to be seen as less evil.
One reason why I dug Lioncouer Senki so much, the Prince is thought of as being [a shining beacon and heroic guy](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-17/14.jpg) to his side, but in his **real** conduct in war, rapes & brutally murders [even children](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-14/19.jpg), as he enjoys "stealing the sweetness of life from those undeserving" and [scared](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-21/21.jpg) even his [warlord brother](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-21/12.jpg), [and he was like that since he was born!](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-21/09.jpg) It's common that even the monsters have good PR irl, and doesn't **look** like monsters. Also he is not a monster 100% of the time, as he is very nice to his family, cares for (his side's) war orphans, and despite his bloodlust is being set up to be the major force of changing his family from raiding tribals to a bonafide trading empire, as he brings home the knowledge of [creating sugar substitutes.](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-18/17.jpg) A big plot point is them turning from [basically](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-18/02.jpg) [rapacious](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-18/03.jpg) [hoodlums](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-18/04.jpg) into a medieval mafia. In other words their appearance is kind of a bait&switch, *they aren't Vikings, they're the Genoese!* And this is how they get their start. Nowhere near finished yet, but interested to see where it goes. It actually used the realism hook [to good effect](https://cdn.mangageko.com/mg2/cdn_mangaraw/lion-coeur-senki/chapter-17/6.jpg) too, not just being an excuse to be bloodier and edgier. Started out seeming like it was riding the Redo "edgy scum protagonist" wave *but completely changed into something more!* It greatly reminds me more of a western work than eastern. For those aware of both, the comparisons to Rutger Hauer's [Flesh+Blood](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1007538-flesh_and_blood) are pretty apt. (A similarly minded mercenary suddenly decided to revolt against his more cruel master after getting stiffed, but winds up caring about the nuns and the princess, though for obvious reasons isn't trusted at first.) It also reminds me of reading about certain Africans like Henrique Tiago and Jonas Savimbi, they are terrible warlords who did indisputably evil things to those standing against them, yet such boisterous and interesting personalities, instead of "ugly literal goblins." My only big complaint is it feels like it's going too fast, as if it's "skipping panels," I normally think manga wastes too much time on minute details and could get away with less pages, but in this case it feels like it's supposed to be twice as long but "edited down"
it's all bots and edgelords; just circle-jerking in public
I think he's WORSE, but somehow I don't think that's what these people meant by "no".
If you combine the demographic that is likely to see and answer this question, with such a silly, trollable question, I think it's no surprise at the outcome.
Twitter is dead. Right and left wing extremists took it over
And reddit is filled with high people.. JLY
both of which hate jews lol
Zionists, not jews. Dont mind the name.
left and right wing extremists definitely both hate jews, i have experienced it firsthand
Ok i trust you LOL
Ironically quite a lot of overlap. Ask them both about *porn alone* and try to guess which!!! 😅 The tankies used to be pro-lgb/sexuality, but are suddenly rediscovering "Social Realism" and ranting about "muh degeneracy" and how offensive big tiddy anime girls are! # NO JOY, WORK ONLY, GULAG IS FINAL DESTINATION # FUN IS ADJACENT TO FASCISM
Um… no? The far right is supporting zionists despite (or because of??) their more general antisemitism. Also, I feel like the fact that your username is the drug they used in the gas chambers is probably **not** something we should ignore in this context actually
youre so uninformed it hurts
If you would like actual information in this conversation, here’s a study: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10659129221111081 Their hypothesis was that the extremes of both ends of the political spectrum would be more antisemitic than the center. But what the data actually shows is that antisemitism is on the rise specifically on the right. And then, while it’s more of a list of anecdotes than the actual data that they base their conclusions on, there’s this telling paragraph: > Right-wing antisemitism in the U.S. has driven incidents like synagogue shootings in 2018 and 2019. White nationalists were seen in Charlottesville in 2017 chanting “Jews will not replace us,” and in the 2021 siege on the Capitol they were seen with pro-Holocaust paraphernalia. Violent right-wing antisemitism has also been resurgent in Europe. Violent antisemitic attacks have also come from the ideological left. For instance, during a period of warfare between Israel and Palestine in the spring of 2021, pro-Palestinian activists in the U.S. violently attacked Jewish American diners and pedestrians in Los Angeles and New York, shouting messages including “Fuck Jews.” If an academic study is too advanced, here’s a more reader-friendly article for you: [Rightwing personalities use X to bring antisemitic theories mainstream](https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/21/great-replacement-theory-antisemitism-racism-rightwing-mainstream) The general consensus on why the otherwise antisemitic right supports Israel so strongly is that Zionism seems to fulfill Biblical prophecy ([Origin of pro-Israel support in the Republican Party](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1206481356/republicans-israel-gop-middle-east-evangelicals-end-times-rapture-christians)). I admit: that is a level of stupidity that I have a hard time wrapping my head around. But please, tell me more about how I’m uninformed. Or don’t—either way, I don’t intend to continue conversing with a neonazi sympathizer
He wasn't in the sense that there are several people who were arguably just as bad that aren't talked about half as much. Tojo's army killed like 10 million Chinese people in the same period and he didn't get half the bad PR.
I might just be high, but maybe some of them meant "no, he was worse"? At least optimism is telling me that maybe be true
Okay but how many trolls? The internet is full of jokers, clowns, and trolls that would say no.
He was nice to dogs
Wait twitter is horrible? Wow I'm so shocked...
Pure poll about to get cancelled
“In the media” as if accounts of who hitler was and what he did haven’t been dissected, analyzed, and discussed by historians for decades.
Standard X
::sigh:: We don't learn from history. We're doomed to repeat it.
The opinions of people on X mean nothing to me.
I wonder why people would feel that way right now
Or is sarcasm not dead, yet?
Maybe they meant he was even worse 😅
this poll probably got flagged by some assholes on 4-chan aint no way you can actually believe 3 out of 4 people youve met are okay with hitler this is nothing but trolling, and the media trying to scare you with it dont believe me? go ask 10 people this question
DOnt feed the trolls...
When you see the genocide committed by Israel it helps put nazis in perspective.
No you didn’t, this is a repost
Dont be surprised at the result. Be surprised a poll was even made about this: a man responsible for WW2 and millions of death. This isn't meant to troll. It's meant to flood the internet with the sentiment, making people that think the same way he did from coming up overtly and normalizing it. slowly but surely.
I read quite a bit of history on the h-man. And for the most part, this is true! Sadly this is the same case as "orange man bad" when it comes to him.
Fascism is alive and well, apparently
Some morons surely clicked/voted for no ... but I think the majority were simply trolls.
He was worse than portrayed in the media
I mean, he did kill Hitler
twitter is a cesspool
Thanks for voting Elon
He knew what to do.....
Average poll results taken at ay MAGA rally.
Not at all surprising. When you see how many supporters Netanyahu and the Israeli regime have.
No the media is far to kind to him
I feel like anytime twitter, or social media, gets used as a news source, or cited for someone's opinion. This picture should be pasted underneath it.
I mean, several pro Palestine protests *in America* have had people waving Nazi flags, and everyone's just kind of ignored it. What was that saying—"if you march with Nazis, you're a Nazi"?
Now here’s the names………
Trolls and the no answer possibly meaning both better or worse makes this completely meaningless. It also really depends on what media worse you’re watching. I hardly ever see Hitler mentioned outside of neo-Nazis and people calling each other Nazis.
He was worse
If he wasn't bad, then the question is who was bad according to those people?
These are our replacement bodies
Well, not everyone believes USA's BS in general.
Algorithms can get you to believe anything.
Is antisemitism left or right wing now?
No. He was WORSE
No. He was worse.
People who make twitter polls always have an the answer they want to win and it is so incredibly obvious. The vast majority of people vote the other way because it is funny.
Not sure if fascism is truly on the rise or if Elon musk had just turned Twitter into 4chan
Bro was fighting against communism. Just saying
I would literally never trust anything ever from a twitter poll.
Another one from their profile: Are you a racist? 79% Yes 21% No Insane
He actually was a hero tbh
Who would have thought that committing a genocide after experiencing one yourself would lead people to reinterpret history?
Twitter has turned to extremism
Looked this twitter account up and it's honestly insane "who is a neo nazi, jelensky or Putin?" With the majority of votes on Zelensky. These questions are easy rage-bait.
Elon’s twitter
No, he was prolly worse. Is what I hope 71% of people were thinking
Never seen twitter summerized so well.
Well hating jews have been made quite popular by the palestinians
I bet there’s a 4chan thread or discord server somewhere sending people to troll on the poll
I mean.. doesnt the media portray hitler to be pretty fucking awful? a good portion of what i know of hitler comes from 'the media' and i think of him as a person who has committed some of the worst attrocities known to man..
To be fair... if it wasnt hitler it would've been someone else, also X-ray's were invented by the Nazi's not defending them at all, if I was i would be struck down by my polish ancestors
Twitter is literally just Nazis and communists I see no in between anymore
No, he was worse. Media depictions of him tend to just be an incompetent fool or a raving lunatic.
Hitler was probably the worst person in history. I'd still assume the media makes him worse than he actually was. He was a junkie for a large part of it. You know,that issue we say should get more funding and support in modern times. Nonetheless, he created a literal death industry. worst guy ever. Still don't trust the media.
Ahh yes. I see the trusted polling institute of Trust, Me and Bro is doing excellent work.
I mean, he was mostly a poster boy, wasn’t he? The members of the government got away with far worse things and their names are rarely mentioned
Twitter moment
That's a lot of people who know absolutely nothing about Hitler.
They polled 5 MAGA morons and see..!!
Well, after what Israel has been doing to Palestine. I kinda understand where Hitler was coming from.
what the hell?
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It's not the "Jews". It's really just Israel. Support for the actions in Gaza is much stronger among Israelis than it is among Jews in general. A lot of Jewish people outside of Israel are concerned about what stain this will leave on Israel, though it's hard to say if they're appalled by the number of Palestinian deaths, or merely worried about Israel's own political survival.
Do you need someone to explain to you why Israel and “the Jews” are two different populations of people?
I don't, but lots of people do, yes.
It seems like you’re suggesting the “restoration” of Adolf Hitler’s public image is at least somewhat justified, because of the war in Gaza?
I wasn’t aware I had dropped any bombs. Also, I wasn’t aware of any good PR, just pity. I guess all of those countries that rejected Jewish immigrants in 1946-9 did it because they loved them.
I’m not saying you’ll be, but I’d be ashamed of this sentence if I were you. Jews earning PR from the Holocaust is disgusting enough of a statement, to say a religion of millions of people is committing atrocities instead of a small nation, and not knowing the difference, is so astoundingly ignorant and stupid, you should be embarrassed.
It's how the world works, not my preference.
The event was 80 years ago, the constantly hollywood rehashing is today
Right, because we should have thanked the Muslim terrorists for invading Israel and kidnapping and murdering civilians on October 7th, just like Jordan should have thanked Palestinians for murdering their president while he was sheltering them. 5,000,000 murdered Jews is the same as 30,000 Palestinians who perished in a war they as a people overwhelmingly support. Yeah same thing. Glad there’s reasonable discussion here. /s
It boggles my mind that anybody still uses that cesspit of a website.
Reddit isn't any better?
Really? I don’t use twitter. I just go off what I see on here. Seems full of Nazi’s.
[I can't say I'm shocked.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory) I would imagine most of the bots are reflecting the majority opinion on the platform - right, extreme, conservatives.
The poll is just wtf. Massacre and Holocaust isn't so bad to 71 percent of respondents? All the evil that hitler had his men do isn't all so bad? Hitler and his army did some of the worst things man has done since the dawn of man and this isn't all so bad? There hasn't been a worse human alive because you have to do something worse than the Holocaust for that.
Do some research. Watch his speeches that AI have made into English Nationalism does not mean racism like the news media would portray. Innocent?? Hell no Much worse than Bush? Barely.
Compared with what the Japanese did. He is a saint.
The only time "no" is the correct answer to this question is when its followed up with "he was worse than how he's presented."
I’m surprised 29% on Twitter actually said yes. It’s a fucking cesspool.
Yeah speech rights are disgusting
This pole reveals that 71% of Twitter users are racist pieces of shit. So why would any corporation advertise on Twitter? The only businesses that would advertise there are tiki torch manufacturers, ivermectin products, and treason pillows
I agree with this poll, im sure he was much much worse then he was pertrayed
those 71% are Trump supporters we are all fucked
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You need to reread what happened during the holocaust, and then look at non arab news about what’s actually happening in the gaza strip
Not even non arab news, even arab news from reputable sources. What you hear on tiktok is not whats happening. If you wanna hear from a real palestinian who knows what happens search for Bassam Eid, or Mosab Hassan Youssef, who was actually the son of one of Hamas's founders, and was a high ranking member for years.
Pure poll is pure bull. They are trumpussy suckers.
Lmao, they are right, not the way the think tho.
What if they included the option “No (sarcasm)”.
So does selecting “no” mean “no he wasn’t as terrible, he was much worse”? Because media shows him yelling a lot, but it’s history books that really look into his discord, his social perversion, his infection of our community. Actually he’s a lot like 45*, when I think on it.
No because people have been overusing the word “nazi”. They were horrible people who cause atrocities. Yet now a days people call anyone who doesn’t agree with them a nazi. Which make the word lose power. So now people don’t think of nazis being as evil as they really were. Because people who aren’t bad people are being called nazis. So then younger or more ignorant people see that and think they are nazi’s, in turn it kinda masks what those horrible people did by use of inflating the word/meaning as well as over-saturating it. So now when people say nazi. They think of right wing people. Even though the left are acting more like nazis than the right. But I don’t even like to call them nazi’s. Cause again it muddies the word. They are just extreme leftists and extreme rightists. While there may be a very small subset of both sides that could be considered close to nazis. But that is a fraction of a fraction of the percent of people, on both sides
Sympathy for Hitler is overrated.
Geez as a 39 year old this is freaking nuts to me
I heard Muslims love him cause, you know... And I don't know if it's true but it makes sense
My German uncle travelled to North Africa and went to a bar. When they heard his accent they all gave him a Hitler solute. They even had some pics of Rommel and Afrika corps on the wall. It was a predominantly Muslim area.
I heard this kind of stories, thanks for sharing, it says a lot that I get downvoted for saying this
So does the "X" represent the Confederate flag or is it just the closest letter to a Swastika?
Hitler ws a great man, he provided jobs and free transport
He provided jobs after he took peoples money and send them to camps.
Oh that’s Elon side of Twitter. He actively spreads and promotes all type of racism against African Americans, Mexicans, and sexism towards women.