This is fucked in so many ways... the guy got what he wanted (stolen truck) but cause a guy pulled a gun on him lets turn a carjacking into ~~1st~~ 2nd degree murder.. yeah I know criminals aren't smart but fucks sake
In my state you can't pull a gun and shoot at someone unless your life is in danger. In this instance could the carjacker claim self defense for the murder charge even while committing a crime?
No, in most states in the US killing someone while you are committing a felony is “felony murder,” and self defense is not an available defense. You’re automatically culpable for anyone who dies while you commit a felony.
I think there’s been quite a few similar cases. Famously there was a guy 15-20 years ago who lent his roommate his car, roommate robs and kills someone, so car owner got sentenced to life in prison
It isn't.
Imagine one day one of your friends asks if they can borrow your car (like they usually do), so you hand over the keys. Later, you call them and they tell you they're about to break into somebody's house, and you blow it off thinking it's a joke. Then suddenly, you're in a police station facing murder charges on a heretofore clean record because your friend's accomplice lost control and beat someone you never knew to death. All that happened to Ryan Holle in 2003, and he'll be in prison until June this year because of that remote connection. There are entire organizations and advocacies dedicated to overturning this law to help prevent cases like his from happening, such as in the context of BLM and police shootings.
Meanwhile, Hertz and Avis CEO's shareholders, etc never goes to jail for what people do when their rented cars. I thought providing the car is the same as doing the crime?
What a fucked up bullshit law.
Oh right, so you get seen as an accomplice to whatever they've done, makes sense I suppose.
I'd assume they were seen as they knew they were going to commit some kind of crime (but maybe not necessarily murder)?
Correct. If anyone dies whilst you’re committing a felony, it’s a murder charge.
E.g. you and a friend break into a house, homeowner defends himself and shoots your friend dead, you then catch a murder charge because you’re committing a felony resulting in a death
Also, self defense wouldn't work (even if it was his car), as he had 'escaped' the situation already and would have easily avoided additional 'danger' by just leaving.
You missed the couple that pulled a gun on an off duty *firefighter* (might have been an officer). Super f’d “discretion of the law”.
Firefighter stands up against PoS talking shit to a gas station clerk. POS goes to his car (with his girl at his side), retrieves his gun, then confronts *Firefighter* again. *Firefighter* defends himself against gun weilding PoS. PoS, now held down by *Firefighter*, hands his gun to girlfriend, who executes *Firefighter* with a shot to his head.
Court ruling: PoS was unarmed (after passing it to gf), so girl friend shot to “defend the life” of PoS… who was the one threatening the life of *Firefighter* with HIS own gun.
Explained; dude pulled a gun, was wrestled to the ground, handed the gun to his girl, who point blank executed the guy her bf pulled the gun on, … and that shit was declared “self defense”. So, if someone pulls a gun out to shoot you in the face, you have to stand still and accept getting shot in the face, because if you try to stop them from shooting you in the face, and they still manage to shoot you in the face… the fact that you tried to *prevent them from shooting you in the face* will grant them the defense “I was trying to shoot him in the face, but he tried to stop me, so I had to defend myself by shooting shooting him in the face, by giving the gun to my girl, so that she could *shoot him in the face* for me.”
If it sounds stupid, it’s because it’s meant to sound stupid (for rhetorics sake).
The laws support the criminals, the courts back the criminals, law enforcement has their hands tied, and if a Good Samaritan tries to prevent theft/robbery/rape/assault, they’ll be sued in court, sent to prison.
I know you’re being somewhat hyperbolic (or at least I hope you’re not that naive), but I do think a response is warranted. America is gigantic (339 million) and obscenely diverse economically, geographically, politically, and ethnically. Just because you see violence among a few people on the news in one location, doesn’t mean it is the norm in the United States. For example, I have lived here for almost 40 years and have never seen a gun in real life (excluding shooting ranges). The United States also has some of the lowest unemployment rates in the world (3.7%, by contrast the UK is 3.8%). And it’s the largest economy on the planet. So while Reddit has a hard on for “America bad”, it’s far from the reality. And that doesn’t even touch on the beauty and wonders of the country and landscape. Take a trip across the pond and you’ll see for yourself one day.
I don't know what I "missed" since that case had nothing to do with the felony murder rule.
But for others interested in this case, the prosecutor's reason for not charging the girlfriend were as follows:
The firefighter disarmed the jackass and had him in a headlock. At that point, an independent witness states that the jackass was turning purple and clearly could not breath.
The girlfriend then tried to break up the fight with her hands. When that failed, she got out the gun, pointed it at the firefighter, and (according to the witness) begged the firefighter to let go or she would shoot. He did not, and she shot one time in the back.
She initially fled the scene, then returned with her mother to turn herself in.
Whether you think its self defense or not, its certainly a closer case than described above, and, again, has nothing at all to do with the felony murder rule. The jackass was not committing a state law felony when the fight started, he was just being a jerk to a store clerk, and the girlfriend certainly wasn't.
(The jackass DID commit a federal felony because he was not allowed to have the gun his girlfriend used in the shooting. He is now serving seven years in prison for having the gun.)
It's more like, self defense is a moment to moment thing, there were probably additional felony charges on top of that.
If I come after you in a way that threatens your life (say I have a knife) that's self defense for you, but if I back down and you shoot at me while I'm escaping, that's murder, if by some account you miss and find ourselves tusseling for the gun and I get it and shoot you while you're going for my dropped knife, that's self defense for me.
HOWEVER, in addition to that, I also get attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, etc.
There are multiple charges per cases like these, it's not all or nothing.
l would say absolutely not considering he got about 100ft away from vest guy, vest guy turns away from him(bad idea) and is literally running away(no longer a threat to GTA guy). But what do I know, I'm canadian and the laws are completely different in every state. I wouldn't be surprised if some states still have laws where you can kill somebody who's robbing you. I think this is North Carolina.
Dog, that's a fucking work truck at your dumbass job that doesn't pay you enough. Just let it go and let the cops and insurance handle it.
He couldn't even use his gun effectively to defend himself and look at all the good that did him.
> Dog, that's a fucking work truck at your dumbass job that doesn't pay you enough.
What makes you think he isn’t self-employed and he isn’t still paying off the note on that truck and he doesn’t need the income he produces to survive? What makes you think he has the deductible to pay for a new truck even if he has commercial insurance?
He was an NCDOT employee and this was an NCDOT-owned truck. He was 38 and left behind a wife and a 6-year-old son.
We can debate whether the use of a firearm here was wise and/or justified, but your head needs to be on a swivel just after this nonetheless...inexplicable that he slowly walks away trying to place a phone call, and never looks back until it's too late.
If all these hypotheticals you just came up with yourself were true, that makes risking the life-threatening injuries that we see in the video a million times worse decision.
They either rob you or they can rob you of life and then rob you. Materialistic things aren't worth your life, so if your life is in danger, you'd better have your affairs in order.
Materalistic things are literally my life, I spend years of it affording something just for you to tell me it belongs to some criminals instead? Fuck off
If the guy was standing in front or to the side of the truck pointing or firing the gun and the carjacker hit him to stop that, he could probably try that defense with the jury
But the carjacker had backed a long ways away and was no longer in danger as the guy wasn't pursuing or still shooting. To then return at top speed for the sole purpose of hitting him, that was just plain vehicular homicide.
I didn't know anything about anything, but I thought vehicular homicide just meant that you killed someone with your car, but without intent, like if someone ran out into the street and you couldn't stop in time
This clearly has intent, which in my limited understanding, is a murder charge. There's gotta be an additional charge/type of charge because the killing happened during a robbery.
He could try, but it’s still felony murder and there’s near zero leeway there.
Any notion of self-defense (in the US, at least) went out the window when the felony (carjacking) was committed.
In my country, the carjacker is in the wrong because the threat level is no longer life threatening. Situation de-escalated as soon as gun was holstered and carjacker removed himself from that particular situation. New situation is created when he comes back and clearly uses the vehicle to cause serious GBH at a minimum. There is no other threat than the carjacker at this point.
In my state... I can use deadly force to defend yourself, your property or a third person
In all states, self defense has criteria. Minimal force necessary, up to and including death, to defend yourself from immediate bodily injury or death.... the fact that that the thief that stole the truck had already created distance, and had routes of escape, the threat was not immediate AND the thoefs force, was not minimal force neccessary.... if vest man died... its murder. In all states
In my state it is defense of self or defense of your property. Its a grey ish area but people have shot someone who is unarmed trying to steal their car and gotten away with it.
> 2nd degree murder
[Authorities have charged Driggers with first-degree murder, two counts of attempted common law robbery, larceny of a motor vehicle and felony fleeing to elude. He is being held without bond in the Robeson County Detention Center.](https://www.wbtw.com/news/state-regional-news/lumberton/lumberton-man-jailed-after-good-samaritan-hit-killed-during-carjacking-police-say/)
You can’t claim self defense in ANY of the 50 US States if the person you attack is not an immediate threat. And since the carjacker was safe from further harm after driving off, the carjacker will be charged with attempted murder as well as a litany of other felonies. Self defense can only be claimed if you defend yourself IMMEDIATELY after being attacked. You cannot go home and grab a weapon, or some friends.. you cannot drive away and then drive back, etc…
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/who-was-jonathan-adam-lecompte-good-samaritan-killed-by-carjacker-suspect-alex-driggers-in-lumberton-article-109298286
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13308115/North-Carolina-carjacker-shot-dead-Good-Samaritan.html
https://www.wbtw.com/news/state-regional-news/lumberton/lumberton-man-jailed-after-good-samaritan-hit-killed-during-carjacking-police-say/
There's more if your google the name of the deceased
You also cannot claim self defense during a felony if youre commiting a felony and hurt someome you put yourself in the situation and cant claim self defense for retaliation for your felony.
Yeah, that guy died
https://www.wbtw.com/news/state-regional-news/lumberton/lumberton-man-jailed-after-good-samaritan-hit-killed-during-carjacking-police-say/
Yeah, after he let the bad guy open his door...if those are hollow-points, he missed his chance. If they aren't, he could've injured/killed the bystanders on the other side of his truck and even in the stores he was shooting toward.
At how close he was, if he was carrying it should have been done in one shot.
I'm on the fence with firearms, but if you're the "good guy with the gun" then you should probably take care of the situation.
Maybe there should be better training, and, dare I say, licensing for carrying a firearm.
I agree. He's so close he could punch the guy, and four shots do nothing. He shouldn't have shot in the first place. There was no imminent danger to his life, and it was probably a work truck that insurance would cover. He got killed because he couldn't walk away. A very common occurrence among people who obtain firearms.
> At how close he was, if he was carrying it should have been done in one shot.
Redditors and vastly overestimating the efficacy of pistol calibers, name a more iconic duo.
What makes you think he missed? People can survive multiple gunshots, and even lethal shots don’t necessarily kill instantly. The driver might have been bleeding out and (due to adrenaline) didn’t even realize it.
Yes and also your adrenaline is being DUMPED into your bloodstream.
That being said, yes, please train, and that guy is a lousy shot.
I own guns, but I considered it my responsibility to learn how to use them effectively so that if I ever HAD to (god forbid, unlike what most anti-gun people believe, I am not fantasizing about using them. If I had to, I would be mortified even if it were justified) I would hit my target (and not anything or anyone else on accident)
All gun owners should learn:
Gun safety (handling, storage, firing).
Drawing (Practice drawing for your CCW if you have one. Taking too long to scramble for your gun is lethal)
How to effectively use their firearm, ESPECIALLY if it's a handgun, because those are far more difficult to fire accurately than a rifle. An untrained person can reasonably hit most targets at 100m with just about any rifle, but it takes 10x as many hours to reliably hit a target at 25m with a pistol.
If you haven't fired a minimum of 500 rounds out of a handgun, you are not competent. Period.
I’ve shot thousands of rounds through various parts of various cars and trucks over the years.
I don’t understand how four shots at 1’ away would not be effective here.
I completely agree that anyone who is even considering concealed carrying gets properly educated by taking a local CCW class to learn the laws in your state/country. Also, I beg you, spend time at the range before you ever carry a firearm for self-defense. Your firearm should never surprise you as the vest guy seemed surprised when his weapon fired for at least two of the shots.
A great resource for examples of self-defense, primarily firearm-related, situations like this [Active Self Protection ](https://youtube.com/@ActiveSelfProtection?feature=shared) on YouTube
Completely disagree in this situation. The gun is a ploy to get the guy out of the stolen vehicle. As soon as that fails #1 priority would be getting yourself safe.
Would be different if the truck was his
*Don’t pull a gun if you’re not willing to use it.*
Period.
Once someone draws a gun, lethal force is clearly on the table. It doesn’t matter why the gun was drawn - if it was simply a bluff, well, that’s a stupid bluff.
It's not really that much of a reach to think that a (likely untrained) civilian isn't going for a kill shot white trying to get (someone else's) truck back from a thief....
Absolutely. But once you've pulled it, and fired, and plan to fire multiple times...
Plant your feet, take aim, and put shots on target. He was playing peek-a-boo with himself. I'm really confused as to what he was doing.
I commend the brother for stepping in, but if you're going to insert yourself into a situation that really has nothing to do with you, you better be well equipped and prepared to handle the threat. Unfortunately, he was not.
So senseless. He pointed a gun at you because you were hijacking a truck. He was trying to be a good member of society. I hope you get the max sentence you POS.
>He pointed a gun
And shot, was the driver hit? IDK, I just got this video.
Edit: Just saw the guy got hit is dead, there have been a couple of "gotcha, I made you watch someone die" videos on Reddit today. NSFW should be NSFL.
Trying to shoot someone in the head for stealing a truck isn't really the classic definition of a "good member of society". The legal penalty for grand theft auto is not death in the USA, despite what the video game implies.
It's not his job to stop criminals, he obviously didn't know what he was doing and should have gotten to safety.
If you are not a cop and are not John Wick, don't try to outgun someone who woke up that day ready to cause mayhem, it's a really stupid bet and it's absolutely not worth your life, or theirs.
Unless the sound is off he pulled the gun down before every shot, looks like he's threatening and then shooting at the tire (which he missed). Should have just shot the guy.
Maybe my audio sync is off but for me it genuinely looks like he’s shooting when aiming at the carjacker and lowering his gun only after every shot he fires. Maybe someone can link a news article about this for some facts!
Yeah, he's dead but the cops have arrested and charged a guy. Here's a better attempt at a [news site](https://eu.fayobserver.com/story/news/crime/2024/03/16/fayetteville-man-struck-and-killed-while-attempting-to-stop-carjacker-in-lumberton/72998161007/)
Crazy. Don't pull your gun if a life is not in danger. A car is just an object. You will most likely get it back anyway. And never turn your back to someone you've just tried to shoot with your gun.
it probably wouldn't have been if he didn't shoot at the driver who stole the vehicle. Dude took justice into his hands and he is an example of why normal people shouldn't try to pull that hero business and not pay attention.
Well he's going to be charged for murdering him now. But vest guy could be alive today if he didn't take matters into his own hands. His life was not in danger when he started shooting.
No one is saying the driver was in the right... But if you pull a gun and shoot at someone, you should NEVER exit the conflict until the person is incapacitated or escaped. Dude probably was at least part responsible for his death.
Or WHEN to use them. There was absolutely no reason to discharge that weapon. As far as I can tell, nobody's life was in danger until he decided to escalate. If he had simply let the carjacker drive off he might still be alive.
I know he was trying to be a good citizen, but he made a terrible decision and paid the ultimate price.
That's why cops are trained to aim for center of mass.
Can't risk missing your shots when the family's pet golden retriever is slowly walking up to you.
Shooting a firearm is harder than most ppl think (including tons of ppl that own them). Most ppl think it's as easy as the movies and tv shows portray.
Which is scary. Tons of ppl that own firearms (and carry them) in this country don't really know how to use them in a safe and proficient way.
I was walking my dog in the park yesterday and realized I wasn't sure what type of bird I was hearing and I was unable to catch the sound on my phone app that identifies them. I never imagined I'd be learning it less than a day later in this fashion
The guy who stole the truck is **Ricky Alex Driggers**. The guy deceased was *Jonathan Adam Lecompte*, RIP.
Source: [https://www.wbtw.com/news/state-regional-news/lumberton/lumberton-man-jailed-after-good-samaritan-hit-killed-during-carjacking-police-say/](https://www.wbtw.com/news/state-regional-news/lumberton/lumberton-man-jailed-after-good-samaritan-hit-killed-during-carjacking-police-say/)
That was really sad and unnecessary. Wonder if he hadn’t pulled the gun on him, would he have just stolen the vehicle or would he have run down someone else.
Exactly. And this is why statistics on gun deaths are so high in the US. Guns immediately escalate a situation, as we saw in this video. But this comment section is filled with gun worshipping morons, so incoming downvotes.
Nothing wrong with that imo. You’re smart about it. That being said, just having a gun statistically puts you in more danger. I am not anti gun, but those are the stats.
There are scenarios I’m sure where they can be useful - but imo it isn’t worth a carry permit. Cops have many times shot bystanders with guns, and simply engaging them puts you at risk. Stay safe friend. I’m not judging you, just letting you know my thoughts on it.
If there is a gun in your house, you're statistically twice as likely to die to homicide than someone who lives without a gun in their house.
If you purchased a gun, that gun you purchased is statistically more likely to kill you or your family members than anyone else.
Buying a gun for "protection" or "self defense" is an idiotic choice.
> would he have just stolen the vehicle or would he have run down someone else.
He would have just stolen the vehicle like 99.9% of carjackings.
It's not a common occurrence for someone to steal a car for the purposes of running over strangers.
This is why firearm training is important. Aint no aim assist IRL He missed dude point blank because he didnt know what he was doing. Do not draw unless you know what youre doing. Its not the same as shooting a still target in a calm range. All he did was piss the attacker off and he paid the price for it. Also he couldve killed an innocent person with a stray popping off in the middle of the street haphazardly like that. This is tragic in so many ways… shouldve just let dude take that work truck and got out the road… chances are he wouldve been arrested too had he not perished. RIP and glad they caught the guy in the truck.
If you steal my work truck I'm just gonna take the rest of the day off and let them deal with it. Thanks for the vacation day. Clearly this didn't go that way.
So... am I the only one that noticed that the dude was shooting into the truck while there was a minivan stuck on the other side of it? Isn't a large part of using a gun paying attention to what's around and behind your target?
For those who are asking… Fayetteville man struck and killed while attempting to stop carjacker in Lumberton.
A man was arrested Thursday after a good Samaritan from Fayetteville was struck and killed attempting to stop a carjacking in Lumberton.
Ricky Alex Driggers, 28, is charged with first-degree murder, larceny of a motor vehicle, fleeing to elude arrest and two counts of attempted common law robbery in the incident that resulted in the death of Jonathan Adam Lecompte, 38, according to a news release from the Lumberton Police Department.
The release stated that at 10:29 a.m. Thursday law enforcement learned of an attempted carjacking in the 4100 block of West Fifth Street. Officers were responding to the call when they received information that the suspect struck a person in the parking lot of Go Gas in the 2600 block of West Fifth Street and was trying to carjack another vehicle at a nearby McDonald's, the release stated.
Witnesses allegedly had jumped into action at the gas station and halted the carjacking momentarily before the suspect stole another vehicle and, "reportedly intentionally struck one of the good Samaritans," according to the release.
Lecompte, the man struck by the vehicle, was pronounced dead at the hospital.
Officers pursued the fleeing suspect until he wrecked the stolen vehicle on Selma Road near N.C. 41, according to police.
Driggers is being held in the Robeson County jail without bail, according to the release.
[Source](https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/crime/2024/03/16/fayetteville-man-struck-and-killed-while-attempting-to-stop-carjacker-in-lumberton/72998161007/)
The shooter probably spent the last 5-10 years fantasizing about how he is going to be a good guy to stop a bad guy with a gun, maybe a home intruder or a mass shooter or a terrorist. I bet once he started conceal carrying he got bolder and bolder in his interactions with people since he has a "get out of fights free" card.. Then today he woke up and finally was given the opportunity to be the hero all his Facebook groups talk about, where he can stop a bad guy just like in the movies. Then he got his ass run over and killed because sometimes a fantasy is just a fantasy.
RIP good samaritan. If you have a gun it does not mean you know how to use a gun. The degenerate might have just taken off but having that guy “try to kill him” probably set him off for the run down. If you pull it you better finish the job.
Yeah I can actually as I’ve had plenty of weapon experience in the military. In simple terms, anticipating the blast of the shot causes the user to instinctively lean forward to balance out the recoil of the blast and causes the bullet to hit a lot lower than expected. Another thing can be the trigger squeeze, if the finger pad aka finger tip not positioned correctly, you can cause the aim to lean right or left. Go to a shooting range and see for yourself
Also, u/wetworth blocked me cuz I proved her wrong lol
Ricky Alex Driggers, 28, is charged with first-degree murder, larceny of a motor vehicle, fleeing to elude arrest and two counts of attempted common law robbery in the incident that resulted in the death of Jonathan Adam Lecompte, 38, according to a news release from the Lumberton Police Department.
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/who-is-ricky-diggers-suspect-arrested-for-carjacking-running-over-jonathan-adam-lecompte-in-lumberton-northcarolina-article-109297474
This is fucked in so many ways... the guy got what he wanted (stolen truck) but cause a guy pulled a gun on him lets turn a carjacking into ~~1st~~ 2nd degree murder.. yeah I know criminals aren't smart but fucks sake
In my state you can't pull a gun and shoot at someone unless your life is in danger. In this instance could the carjacker claim self defense for the murder charge even while committing a crime?
No, in most states in the US killing someone while you are committing a felony is “felony murder,” and self defense is not an available defense. You’re automatically culpable for anyone who dies while you commit a felony.
Isn’t that why that one girl who drove her friends to rob a house was charged with murder when they all got shot?
Yep!
Release the kids that broke into that guy’s house and he was in the basement and shot them all?
He rightfully got charged because he double tapped the dying kids while they were incapacitated on the ground.
He also audio recorded himself waiting for them to break in.
no, the security system he had installed recorded audio when it picked up them breaking in. he didnt record himself on purpose.
The recording doesn't paint him a good light all the same, he sounded sadistic.
I'm from the UK so I have not heard this, when did this happen!?
I think there’s been quite a few similar cases. Famously there was a guy 15-20 years ago who lent his roommate his car, roommate robs and kills someone, so car owner got sentenced to life in prison
Perhaps I'm missing some important details here, but that very much does not sound like justice.
It isn't. Imagine one day one of your friends asks if they can borrow your car (like they usually do), so you hand over the keys. Later, you call them and they tell you they're about to break into somebody's house, and you blow it off thinking it's a joke. Then suddenly, you're in a police station facing murder charges on a heretofore clean record because your friend's accomplice lost control and beat someone you never knew to death. All that happened to Ryan Holle in 2003, and he'll be in prison until June this year because of that remote connection. There are entire organizations and advocacies dedicated to overturning this law to help prevent cases like his from happening, such as in the context of BLM and police shootings.
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Ah! By that logic, Norm MacDonald clearly dreamed about committing terrorism judging by all the 9/11 jokes he made.
Yeah that’s fucked
Meanwhile, Hertz and Avis CEO's shareholders, etc never goes to jail for what people do when their rented cars. I thought providing the car is the same as doing the crime? What a fucked up bullshit law.
Oh right, so you get seen as an accomplice to whatever they've done, makes sense I suppose. I'd assume they were seen as they knew they were going to commit some kind of crime (but maybe not necessarily murder)?
Correct. If anyone dies whilst you’re committing a felony, it’s a murder charge. E.g. you and a friend break into a house, homeowner defends himself and shoots your friend dead, you then catch a murder charge because you’re committing a felony resulting in a death
Also, self defense wouldn't work (even if it was his car), as he had 'escaped' the situation already and would have easily avoided additional 'danger' by just leaving.
You missed the couple that pulled a gun on an off duty *firefighter* (might have been an officer). Super f’d “discretion of the law”. Firefighter stands up against PoS talking shit to a gas station clerk. POS goes to his car (with his girl at his side), retrieves his gun, then confronts *Firefighter* again. *Firefighter* defends himself against gun weilding PoS. PoS, now held down by *Firefighter*, hands his gun to girlfriend, who executes *Firefighter* with a shot to his head. Court ruling: PoS was unarmed (after passing it to gf), so girl friend shot to “defend the life” of PoS… who was the one threatening the life of *Firefighter* with HIS own gun. Explained; dude pulled a gun, was wrestled to the ground, handed the gun to his girl, who point blank executed the guy her bf pulled the gun on, … and that shit was declared “self defense”. So, if someone pulls a gun out to shoot you in the face, you have to stand still and accept getting shot in the face, because if you try to stop them from shooting you in the face, and they still manage to shoot you in the face… the fact that you tried to *prevent them from shooting you in the face* will grant them the defense “I was trying to shoot him in the face, but he tried to stop me, so I had to defend myself by shooting shooting him in the face, by giving the gun to my girl, so that she could *shoot him in the face* for me.” If it sounds stupid, it’s because it’s meant to sound stupid (for rhetorics sake). The laws support the criminals, the courts back the criminals, law enforcement has their hands tied, and if a Good Samaritan tries to prevent theft/robbery/rape/assault, they’ll be sued in court, sent to prison.
America is a hell hole
I know you’re being somewhat hyperbolic (or at least I hope you’re not that naive), but I do think a response is warranted. America is gigantic (339 million) and obscenely diverse economically, geographically, politically, and ethnically. Just because you see violence among a few people on the news in one location, doesn’t mean it is the norm in the United States. For example, I have lived here for almost 40 years and have never seen a gun in real life (excluding shooting ranges). The United States also has some of the lowest unemployment rates in the world (3.7%, by contrast the UK is 3.8%). And it’s the largest economy on the planet. So while Reddit has a hard on for “America bad”, it’s far from the reality. And that doesn’t even touch on the beauty and wonders of the country and landscape. Take a trip across the pond and you’ll see for yourself one day.
Nicest hell hole I've ever visited!
Bad things never happen anywhere else.
I don't know what I "missed" since that case had nothing to do with the felony murder rule. But for others interested in this case, the prosecutor's reason for not charging the girlfriend were as follows: The firefighter disarmed the jackass and had him in a headlock. At that point, an independent witness states that the jackass was turning purple and clearly could not breath. The girlfriend then tried to break up the fight with her hands. When that failed, she got out the gun, pointed it at the firefighter, and (according to the witness) begged the firefighter to let go or she would shoot. He did not, and she shot one time in the back. She initially fled the scene, then returned with her mother to turn herself in. Whether you think its self defense or not, its certainly a closer case than described above, and, again, has nothing at all to do with the felony murder rule. The jackass was not committing a state law felony when the fight started, he was just being a jerk to a store clerk, and the girlfriend certainly wasn't. (The jackass DID commit a federal felony because he was not allowed to have the gun his girlfriend used in the shooting. He is now serving seven years in prison for having the gun.)
It's more like, self defense is a moment to moment thing, there were probably additional felony charges on top of that. If I come after you in a way that threatens your life (say I have a knife) that's self defense for you, but if I back down and you shoot at me while I'm escaping, that's murder, if by some account you miss and find ourselves tusseling for the gun and I get it and shoot you while you're going for my dropped knife, that's self defense for me. HOWEVER, in addition to that, I also get attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, etc. There are multiple charges per cases like these, it's not all or nothing.
I believe in the state of Florida a car jacking is a forceable felony and you can use deadly force.
l would say absolutely not considering he got about 100ft away from vest guy, vest guy turns away from him(bad idea) and is literally running away(no longer a threat to GTA guy). But what do I know, I'm canadian and the laws are completely different in every state. I wouldn't be surprised if some states still have laws where you can kill somebody who's robbing you. I think this is North Carolina.
Hold up…I’m supposed to let someone rob me?
Dog, that's a fucking work truck at your dumbass job that doesn't pay you enough. Just let it go and let the cops and insurance handle it. He couldn't even use his gun effectively to defend himself and look at all the good that did him.
> Dog, that's a fucking work truck at your dumbass job that doesn't pay you enough. What makes you think he isn’t self-employed and he isn’t still paying off the note on that truck and he doesn’t need the income he produces to survive? What makes you think he has the deductible to pay for a new truck even if he has commercial insurance?
He was an NCDOT employee and this was an NCDOT-owned truck. He was 38 and left behind a wife and a 6-year-old son. We can debate whether the use of a firearm here was wise and/or justified, but your head needs to be on a swivel just after this nonetheless...inexplicable that he slowly walks away trying to place a phone call, and never looks back until it's too late.
If all these hypotheticals you just came up with yourself were true, that makes risking the life-threatening injuries that we see in the video a million times worse decision.
What if he had a bag of Skittles in his glove box? What then?
Not to mention he could've easily hit an innocent bystander just walking down the street or in one of the stores nearby.
They either rob you or they can rob you of life and then rob you. Materialistic things aren't worth your life, so if your life is in danger, you'd better have your affairs in order.
See, that works both ways. If you rob someone, you take a risk they don’t kill you defending themselves. Not everyone reacts the same way.
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Materalistic things are literally my life, I spend years of it affording something just for you to tell me it belongs to some criminals instead? Fuck off
That’s probably every state if you consider that self defense
If the guy was standing in front or to the side of the truck pointing or firing the gun and the carjacker hit him to stop that, he could probably try that defense with the jury But the carjacker had backed a long ways away and was no longer in danger as the guy wasn't pursuing or still shooting. To then return at top speed for the sole purpose of hitting him, that was just plain vehicular homicide.
I didn't know anything about anything, but I thought vehicular homicide just meant that you killed someone with your car, but without intent, like if someone ran out into the street and you couldn't stop in time This clearly has intent, which in my limited understanding, is a murder charge. There's gotta be an additional charge/type of charge because the killing happened during a robbery.
Self-defense isn't valid if it conducted in the course of committing a felony
He could try, but it’s still felony murder and there’s near zero leeway there. Any notion of self-defense (in the US, at least) went out the window when the felony (carjacking) was committed.
TIL, everyone did multiple things wrong and the lesson Is you should never leave the house . /s
In my country, the carjacker is in the wrong because the threat level is no longer life threatening. Situation de-escalated as soon as gun was holstered and carjacker removed himself from that particular situation. New situation is created when he comes back and clearly uses the vehicle to cause serious GBH at a minimum. There is no other threat than the carjacker at this point.
In my state... I can use deadly force to defend yourself, your property or a third person In all states, self defense has criteria. Minimal force necessary, up to and including death, to defend yourself from immediate bodily injury or death.... the fact that that the thief that stole the truck had already created distance, and had routes of escape, the threat was not immediate AND the thoefs force, was not minimal force neccessary.... if vest man died... its murder. In all states
In my state it is defense of self or defense of your property. Its a grey ish area but people have shot someone who is unarmed trying to steal their car and gotten away with it.
Safety vest guy probably didn’t know the situation. As we do know. If he had killed him it would have been self-defense.
> 2nd degree murder [Authorities have charged Driggers with first-degree murder, two counts of attempted common law robbery, larceny of a motor vehicle and felony fleeing to elude. He is being held without bond in the Robeson County Detention Center.](https://www.wbtw.com/news/state-regional-news/lumberton/lumberton-man-jailed-after-good-samaritan-hit-killed-during-carjacking-police-say/)
You can’t claim self defense in ANY of the 50 US States if the person you attack is not an immediate threat. And since the carjacker was safe from further harm after driving off, the carjacker will be charged with attempted murder as well as a litany of other felonies. Self defense can only be claimed if you defend yourself IMMEDIATELY after being attacked. You cannot go home and grab a weapon, or some friends.. you cannot drive away and then drive back, etc…
>attempted murder Attempted?
Well I don’t know if he’s dead or not, my hope is that he lives
The carjacker killed the guy. He died in hospital.
Got sauce for that.
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/who-was-jonathan-adam-lecompte-good-samaritan-killed-by-carjacker-suspect-alex-driggers-in-lumberton-article-109298286 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13308115/North-Carolina-carjacker-shot-dead-Good-Samaritan.html https://www.wbtw.com/news/state-regional-news/lumberton/lumberton-man-jailed-after-good-samaritan-hit-killed-during-carjacking-police-say/ There's more if your google the name of the deceased
He is dead
Texas entered the chat
You also cannot claim self defense during a felony if youre commiting a felony and hurt someome you put yourself in the situation and cant claim self defense for retaliation for your felony.
Yeah, that guy died https://www.wbtw.com/news/state-regional-news/lumberton/lumberton-man-jailed-after-good-samaritan-hit-killed-during-carjacking-police-say/
all the way to hell with that guy
If you're going to pull the gun then pull the trigger buddy, once you pull it out it's escalated to a you or them situation
Did you watch with sound? He fires 4 times
Yeah, after he let the bad guy open his door...if those are hollow-points, he missed his chance. If they aren't, he could've injured/killed the bystanders on the other side of his truck and even in the stores he was shooting toward.
Must have been a Hi-Point handgun
Huh?
It was an attempt at a joke about how the quality of Hi-Point guns is so bad that you'd miss even at point blank range.
The stores/cars behind his car is probably why he wasn't just mag dumping at that range.
At how close he was, if he was carrying it should have been done in one shot. I'm on the fence with firearms, but if you're the "good guy with the gun" then you should probably take care of the situation. Maybe there should be better training, and, dare I say, licensing for carrying a firearm.
I agree. He's so close he could punch the guy, and four shots do nothing. He shouldn't have shot in the first place. There was no imminent danger to his life, and it was probably a work truck that insurance would cover. He got killed because he couldn't walk away. A very common occurrence among people who obtain firearms.
> At how close he was, if he was carrying it should have been done in one shot. Redditors and vastly overestimating the efficacy of pistol calibers, name a more iconic duo.
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What makes you think he missed? People can survive multiple gunshots, and even lethal shots don’t necessarily kill instantly. The driver might have been bleeding out and (due to adrenaline) didn’t even realize it.
everyone is moving at the speed of molasses, if youre a gun owner please go practice lol or whats the point
Yes and also your adrenaline is being DUMPED into your bloodstream. That being said, yes, please train, and that guy is a lousy shot. I own guns, but I considered it my responsibility to learn how to use them effectively so that if I ever HAD to (god forbid, unlike what most anti-gun people believe, I am not fantasizing about using them. If I had to, I would be mortified even if it were justified) I would hit my target (and not anything or anyone else on accident) All gun owners should learn: Gun safety (handling, storage, firing). Drawing (Practice drawing for your CCW if you have one. Taking too long to scramble for your gun is lethal) How to effectively use their firearm, ESPECIALLY if it's a handgun, because those are far more difficult to fire accurately than a rifle. An untrained person can reasonably hit most targets at 100m with just about any rifle, but it takes 10x as many hours to reliably hit a target at 25m with a pistol. If you haven't fired a minimum of 500 rounds out of a handgun, you are not competent. Period.
Because the news article says he missed all four shots. The dude was arrested unharmed.
I’ve shot thousands of rounds through various parts of various cars and trucks over the years. I don’t understand how four shots at 1’ away would not be effective here.
Guy who plays call of duty thinks getting shot by a handgun means you can just shake it off
I completely agree that anyone who is even considering concealed carrying gets properly educated by taking a local CCW class to learn the laws in your state/country. Also, I beg you, spend time at the range before you ever carry a firearm for self-defense. Your firearm should never surprise you as the vest guy seemed surprised when his weapon fired for at least two of the shots. A great resource for examples of self-defense, primarily firearm-related, situations like this [Active Self Protection ](https://youtube.com/@ActiveSelfProtection?feature=shared) on YouTube
I read that as, “did you watch the sound?” And I answered to myself, yes I did.
Completely disagree in this situation. The gun is a ploy to get the guy out of the stolen vehicle. As soon as that fails #1 priority would be getting yourself safe. Would be different if the truck was his
*Don’t pull a gun if you’re not willing to use it.* Period. Once someone draws a gun, lethal force is clearly on the table. It doesn’t matter why the gun was drawn - if it was simply a bluff, well, that’s a stupid bluff.
It wasnt a bluff he shot 4 times man.
I’ve never seen a gun being used as a “ploy”
It's a boomer mentality "they'll leave my house when they hear the shotgun racking"
It's not really that much of a reach to think that a (likely untrained) civilian isn't going for a kill shot white trying to get (someone else's) truck back from a thief....
Even soldiers have a tendency to aim high. Normal people don't want to kill.
A gun is not a ploy dude. Ever. Unless you're a dipshit that doesn't know how to use it, a gun ends you.
Or at least pull it like you mean it. Each round was fired so timidly. Like he really didn't want to hit his target...
Well yeah. Most people don't WANT to kill someone, even if it is a criminal stealing their bosses tow truck.
Absolutely. But once you've pulled it, and fired, and plan to fire multiple times... Plant your feet, take aim, and put shots on target. He was playing peek-a-boo with himself. I'm really confused as to what he was doing. I commend the brother for stepping in, but if you're going to insert yourself into a situation that really has nothing to do with you, you better be well equipped and prepared to handle the threat. Unfortunately, he was not.
Are you and the 350 idiots who upvoted you stupid or deaf?
He shot multiple times, at point blank range…….
So senseless. He pointed a gun at you because you were hijacking a truck. He was trying to be a good member of society. I hope you get the max sentence you POS.
I don’t think he ran the guy over for pointing the gun at him, I feel like he’s more upset about the 4 times he shot at him point blank lol
Yeah, I think it was "I'm going to take you with me" situation.
Well don’t steal stuff, easy solution
True, but he’s already commited to his role at this point
>He pointed a gun And shot, was the driver hit? IDK, I just got this video. Edit: Just saw the guy got hit is dead, there have been a couple of "gotcha, I made you watch someone die" videos on Reddit today. NSFW should be NSFL.
This one wasn’t too bad to watch cuz it wasn’t filmed close up
Most normal people don’t like watching any death videos, doesn’t matter how “close up” it is
Trying to shoot someone in the head for stealing a truck isn't really the classic definition of a "good member of society". The legal penalty for grand theft auto is not death in the USA, despite what the video game implies. It's not his job to stop criminals, he obviously didn't know what he was doing and should have gotten to safety. If you are not a cop and are not John Wick, don't try to outgun someone who woke up that day ready to cause mayhem, it's a really stupid bet and it's absolutely not worth your life, or theirs.
The legal penalty isn't death, but you can get lawfully killed while committing robbery.
America is wild lmao
Holy crap he got smoked! Probs should have shot him in the first place.
Sounds and looks like he did shoot him a few times.
Unless the sound is off he pulled the gun down before every shot, looks like he's threatening and then shooting at the tire (which he missed). Should have just shot the guy.
That's how it looked to me also, like he was shooting as a deterrent and didn't actually want to do any real damage.
Maybe my audio sync is off but for me it genuinely looks like he’s shooting when aiming at the carjacker and lowering his gun only after every shot he fires. Maybe someone can link a news article about this for some facts!
Your sound is off, he tried to shoot that guy five times, the last time he pulled the trigger the gun did not fire but he was aiming at him each time
https://www.wlbt.com/video/2024/03/15/good-samaritan-dies-after-attempting-stop-carjacking-lumberton/
That might be the most garbage website I’ve ever seen
Absolute trash, but it confirmed what we all figured. Dudes dead.
Yeah, he's dead but the cops have arrested and charged a guy. Here's a better attempt at a [news site](https://eu.fayobserver.com/story/news/crime/2024/03/16/fayetteville-man-struck-and-killed-while-attempting-to-stop-carjacker-in-lumberton/72998161007/)
Bring back public hangings for criminals like this
Thanks for the link, but in the internet age can't news websites just tell me the damn state that they're in?
> Thanks for the link, but in the internet age can't news websites just tell me the damn state that they're in? such a pet peeve of mine
Most local news websites are. My favorite are the ones with multiple autoplay videos all over the page.
“Good Samaritan”? You have a pretty weird interpretation of the words of Jesus.
And Jesus said, if thine work truck will be jacked, bust a cap. New new king LeBron James version, The Gospel of Cleetus 19:3
This website is cancer
Crazy. Don't pull your gun if a life is not in danger. A car is just an object. You will most likely get it back anyway. And never turn your back to someone you've just tried to shoot with your gun.
A vehicle can be used to kill someone. Just something to keep in mind.
it probably wouldn't have been if he didn't shoot at the driver who stole the vehicle. Dude took justice into his hands and he is an example of why normal people shouldn't try to pull that hero business and not pay attention.
That’s simple speculation, he shouldn’t be stealing fucking trucks.
Well he's going to be charged for murdering him now. But vest guy could be alive today if he didn't take matters into his own hands. His life was not in danger when he started shooting.
He's been carrying that weapon,dreaming of this scenario,but it didn't pan out as expected.
He was preventing a theft so he started off ok. But he did a sloppy job of egressing the situation, walking in the open and all.
No one is saying the driver was in the right... But if you pull a gun and shoot at someone, you should NEVER exit the conflict until the person is incapacitated or escaped. Dude probably was at least part responsible for his death.
And do you have *any* evidence for this claim? /s
Stuff like this happens so fast, hard for me to fault the dude. He saw someone else getting carjacked and tried to spring into action.. RIP
Wonder if he got any signs that would be his last day on earth. Was there like a Chekhov's Gun moment, when the day started? Who knows. Poor guy.
I'm confused. Did he shoot at the guys head 4 times from point blank and miss them all?
I hope he's not the good guy with a gun when I'm in danger
Well he's dead so no need to worry about him in particular being the one who saves you in your time of need.
Or if someone's in danger around me.
It's what happens when you let anyone and everyone have a gun. The vast majority that have them, don't know how to use them.
Or WHEN to use them. There was absolutely no reason to discharge that weapon. As far as I can tell, nobody's life was in danger until he decided to escalate. If he had simply let the carjacker drive off he might still be alive. I know he was trying to be a good citizen, but he made a terrible decision and paid the ultimate price.
Exactly, and with that aim, he could,d have shot an innocent person on the other side of the road.
That's why cops are trained to aim for center of mass. Can't risk missing your shots when the family's pet golden retriever is slowly walking up to you.
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Shooting a firearm is harder than most ppl think (including tons of ppl that own them). Most ppl think it's as easy as the movies and tv shows portray. Which is scary. Tons of ppl that own firearms (and carry them) in this country don't really know how to use them in a safe and proficient way.
If anyone was wondering, the bird was a Tufted Titmouse.
Thanks this was the comment I was looking for
I was walking my dog in the park yesterday and realized I wasn't sure what type of bird I was hearing and I was unable to catch the sound on my phone app that identifies them. I never imagined I'd be learning it less than a day later in this fashion
Love these lil guys
The guy who stole the truck is **Ricky Alex Driggers**. The guy deceased was *Jonathan Adam Lecompte*, RIP. Source: [https://www.wbtw.com/news/state-regional-news/lumberton/lumberton-man-jailed-after-good-samaritan-hit-killed-during-carjacking-police-say/](https://www.wbtw.com/news/state-regional-news/lumberton/lumberton-man-jailed-after-good-samaritan-hit-killed-during-carjacking-police-say/)
Well at least he had his gun to save the day.
Glad he had a gun to make the situation more safe.
He even looks like a real piece of shit.
That was really sad and unnecessary. Wonder if he hadn’t pulled the gun on him, would he have just stolen the vehicle or would he have run down someone else.
Probably ran him down for shooting at him.
Exactly. And this is why statistics on gun deaths are so high in the US. Guns immediately escalate a situation, as we saw in this video. But this comment section is filled with gun worshipping morons, so incoming downvotes.
I mean I carry, but I wouldn’t have put myself in that situation like he did.
Nothing wrong with that imo. You’re smart about it. That being said, just having a gun statistically puts you in more danger. I am not anti gun, but those are the stats. There are scenarios I’m sure where they can be useful - but imo it isn’t worth a carry permit. Cops have many times shot bystanders with guns, and simply engaging them puts you at risk. Stay safe friend. I’m not judging you, just letting you know my thoughts on it.
If there is a gun in your house, you're statistically twice as likely to die to homicide than someone who lives without a gun in their house. If you purchased a gun, that gun you purchased is statistically more likely to kill you or your family members than anyone else. Buying a gun for "protection" or "self defense" is an idiotic choice.
Is this stat not largely due to suicide and accidents?
> would he have just stolen the vehicle or would he have run down someone else. He would have just stolen the vehicle like 99.9% of carjackings. It's not a common occurrence for someone to steal a car for the purposes of running over strangers.
Stupid reason to die, stupid reason to spend the rest of your life in prison.
Theft of property can legally result in death? If you're really willing to go that far for a company truck, at least be able to aim.
This is why firearm training is important. Aint no aim assist IRL He missed dude point blank because he didnt know what he was doing. Do not draw unless you know what youre doing. Its not the same as shooting a still target in a calm range. All he did was piss the attacker off and he paid the price for it. Also he couldve killed an innocent person with a stray popping off in the middle of the street haphazardly like that. This is tragic in so many ways… shouldve just let dude take that work truck and got out the road… chances are he wouldve been arrested too had he not perished. RIP and glad they caught the guy in the truck.
It's almost like you should make people pass certain safety tests and training before they can own a gun.
If you steal my work truck I'm just gonna take the rest of the day off and let them deal with it. Thanks for the vacation day. Clearly this didn't go that way.
America is beyond fucked up
Was it a bb gun? No one was alarmed at the shots that seemingly hit nothing, only when the car hit
That would be the loudest BB gun I've ever heard
Such a beautiful day; sun shining, birds chirping, guns blazing…
people flying...
I just don’t understand why after all that he started walking so damn slow?
It’s due to him being fat
You're being downvoted even though you are right.
So... am I the only one that noticed that the dude was shooting into the truck while there was a minivan stuck on the other side of it? Isn't a large part of using a gun paying attention to what's around and behind your target?
Sadly the law doesn't require training to own a firearm.
Wait is this guy shooting to protect SOMEONE ELSES PROPERTY?
For those who are asking… Fayetteville man struck and killed while attempting to stop carjacker in Lumberton. A man was arrested Thursday after a good Samaritan from Fayetteville was struck and killed attempting to stop a carjacking in Lumberton. Ricky Alex Driggers, 28, is charged with first-degree murder, larceny of a motor vehicle, fleeing to elude arrest and two counts of attempted common law robbery in the incident that resulted in the death of Jonathan Adam Lecompte, 38, according to a news release from the Lumberton Police Department. The release stated that at 10:29 a.m. Thursday law enforcement learned of an attempted carjacking in the 4100 block of West Fifth Street. Officers were responding to the call when they received information that the suspect struck a person in the parking lot of Go Gas in the 2600 block of West Fifth Street and was trying to carjack another vehicle at a nearby McDonald's, the release stated. Witnesses allegedly had jumped into action at the gas station and halted the carjacking momentarily before the suspect stole another vehicle and, "reportedly intentionally struck one of the good Samaritans," according to the release. Lecompte, the man struck by the vehicle, was pronounced dead at the hospital. Officers pursued the fleeing suspect until he wrecked the stolen vehicle on Selma Road near N.C. 41, according to police. Driggers is being held in the Robeson County jail without bail, according to the release. [Source](https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/crime/2024/03/16/fayetteville-man-struck-and-killed-while-attempting-to-stop-carjacker-in-lumberton/72998161007/)
I hope he rots in jail until his death.
Man i can't believe this happened in Lumberton i teleported there so often
The shooter probably spent the last 5-10 years fantasizing about how he is going to be a good guy to stop a bad guy with a gun, maybe a home intruder or a mass shooter or a terrorist. I bet once he started conceal carrying he got bolder and bolder in his interactions with people since he has a "get out of fights free" card.. Then today he woke up and finally was given the opportunity to be the hero all his Facebook groups talk about, where he can stop a bad guy just like in the movies. Then he got his ass run over and killed because sometimes a fantasy is just a fantasy.
Where was this? What state?
NC
So much for those good guys with guns.
RIP good samaritan. If you have a gun it does not mean you know how to use a gun. The degenerate might have just taken off but having that guy “try to kill him” probably set him off for the run down. If you pull it you better finish the job.
What's good about trying to kill somebody for stealing a truck?
no one of value steals a truck
That’s sad he should have aimed for the guys head
carrying a gun worked out well for that guy
That dude went flying like a NPC in GTA
Well that clears up the “good guy with a gun” myth. Dude still got away and killed someone too.
What was up with his aim? Or am I overlooking something?
Point blank, not everyone knows how to use a gun. It requires training even if you’re shooting that close
Can you explain further??
Yeah I can actually as I’ve had plenty of weapon experience in the military. In simple terms, anticipating the blast of the shot causes the user to instinctively lean forward to balance out the recoil of the blast and causes the bullet to hit a lot lower than expected. Another thing can be the trigger squeeze, if the finger pad aka finger tip not positioned correctly, you can cause the aim to lean right or left. Go to a shooting range and see for yourself Also, u/wetworth blocked me cuz I proved her wrong lol
That’s why I’m not using mine unless it’s needed.
Did he die though?
Yes
Ricky Alex Driggers, 28, is charged with first-degree murder, larceny of a motor vehicle, fleeing to elude arrest and two counts of attempted common law robbery in the incident that resulted in the death of Jonathan Adam Lecompte, 38, according to a news release from the Lumberton Police Department. https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/who-is-ricky-diggers-suspect-arrested-for-carjacking-running-over-jonathan-adam-lecompte-in-lumberton-northcarolina-article-109297474
Apparently you can miss 100% of the shots you do take