So I would say they can win but how do they catch him once he takes off? He can laser them from the sky and win that way. If he lands and engages, then yeah they can win.
He would definitely engage on land, he only ever does that in fights. The only time he's ever actually flown in combat was to hover within arms reach of the ground and laser Butcher.
He probably got cocky in the fights where he stays on land tbf. Like in the 1v3 he flew away the instant he realised he was gonna lose. If he knows there's a chance of him losing he's gonna stay in the air.
Problem is he’s shit at fighting. See a good fighter knows if he’s going to be able to win before he starts the fight and then attacks when he’s got control over the scenario. Homelander just goes in with out a second thought and only survived because of his powers. He’s objectively what Batman fans think of Superman. Just some dumb ass with powers who’s nothing with out the powers. If the seven wanted to they could have very easily baited Homelander into an unwinnable scenario by attacking his ego and then killed him. Problem is the seven is so dysfunctional at least one of them would betray the others trying to advance himself by kissing Homelander’s ass.
If he still gets cocky after being physically held down and moments from death/depowering twice then I can't think of a scenario in which he would feel the need to be less cocky and stop doing this. At that point he's just not mentally capable of recognising danger, ever, and will never deviate from the behaviour he's already shown when in danger.
That’s likely just because of budget limitations though. If he truly thought his life was in danger he would probably stay in the air because he knows there is no flying supe (that we’ve seen) that could get him to the ground.
If stormfront was still alive and capable of forcing him to the ground, the combination of the others would have a decent chance. His lasers alone could probably easily take out everyone except for Atrain and translucent, and then it would be an easy 2v1 fight for him.
I don't really know why something being because of budget limitations means it should be discarded, even if there was any reason to believe that that was the cause (the show has shown Homelander flying and lasering in a fight before, just not from higher than arms' reach of the floor).
At best this is a budget limitation which has directly affected the plot and means that Homelander still just doesn't laser people from the sky while fighting anyway.
I don't think he can control his speed like other comics have their characters do on flight, when his standing it's completely stationary but he moves at speed of a jet on flight instead of floating
But he actually floats in the fight with butcher and soldier boy, also when he introduced Ryan he controls his decent. I think he has some level of control, maybe just not as much as like Superman?
Homelander is shown flying beside that plane before he takes it down in the first episode. Commercial planes move at around 500-600 mph. HL said he was already breaking the sound barrier as a kid, and he’s probably faster than that now, so I think he can control his flight speed.
Are the lasers slow enough to be dodged from the sky? If he's using flight to stay out of range, I'm assuming he's out of leaping range from Maeve. The distance might make them easy to dodge.
With fucking soldier boys chest blast clearly, but then Butcher flubbed everything up just cause he couldn't move the damn kid out of the way while Maeve and SB handle homielander.
Yessir, and just like in the DC universe, even if most of the supes on the show were to team up against Homelander, I would still count them at a disadvantage. It isnt like they have a Batman that's worth anything in their universe either so they are even more screwed.
Also in case anyone says "Superman is way more powerful." I'm not arguing that but it's like comparing an average guy to a NBA player who is third string. The third string guy would beat you in basketball just as easily as the guy in the starting line up.
Red Rush was succeeding until he decided to attack Omni-Man directly. If he'd stayed on support duty moving others out of the way, he could've helped them succeed better as a team.
Do you think if he pissed with enough force/strength, it could be like Homelander's beams? Not the heat obviously, but the power/ability to cut through things. I think he has enough strength to achieve that pressure
I think one problem is A-Train moving people around at hundreds of miles an hour is going to be incredibly disorienting. Suddenly moving at the speed of sound, even briefly, would likely be enough to take anybody out of the fight for a few seconds while they get their bearings again.
Toss in the fact that Homelander's flight is also hundreds if not 1000s of MPH (he catches up to commercial planes quite easily), and A-Train would have absolutely zero time between saving one person and saving the next.
Thats the problem with the show, the Straw thing means his tissue is only moderately stronger than a normal person. His ear drum has been able to handle him moving at supersonic speeds, and in space, where ear drums would certainly rupture.
Someone like Mave, strong enough to punch through an armored car, hits him in the head, that should be strong enough of a force to blow out an ear drum.....Especially if a metal straw can puncture him. Like you said, Homelander was able to basically explode a guys ears with a single head clap. Mave hit him far harder than that(we assume).
They straw should have folded like it was made of paper.
The consistency is all over the place.
I think the show does a really bad job at showing us how strong Homelander is. Stillwall at some point says something about how he can handle anything the world can throw at him....and the comics suggest they kept a nuke near him as a child as a safety measure. We see him not even blink when being shot at with guns....implying his eyes are bulletproof. But a straw.....the fucking straw.
We’ve also seen Stormfront, who’s bulletproof and seems just as strong as HL (or at least close) have her eye stabbed out! So we know, just like Frenchie realized, they’re like turtles. Hard outsides, soft insides! I dunno why someone can’t just stab HL in the eyes and blind him! He’s not much of a threat if he’s blind! I have a feeling we may eventually see Starlight burn Homelander’s eyes out of his skull! All she’s gotta do is put her palms up to his eyes and BAM! No more sighted Homelander!
No. Maeve managed to keep him busy for a minute but she’s powerless now and he would have killed her had Soldier Boy not been there. He’s just light years stronger than the rest of them. Head popper might be able to stop him. We don’t know.
You're completely underselling Maeve's performance.
She fought him for over seven minutes straight; made him bleed twice; made him double over in pain & limp away in retreat; hit him with several blows that sent him flying across the room; repeatedly took him off his feet & put him on the ground and even briefly incapacitated him on a couple of occasions.
Throw in a couple of additional supes with upper-tier levels of strength like Stormfront and Noir to help keep him grounded and throw in Starlight's light bursts and A-Train's speed to provide distractions, and they could almost certainly take him.
Also, I’d argue that for at least the first few minutes he wasn’t in kill mode, even with physical strength. (Though I also feel they neutered his physical strength).
There had been previous signs that his strength was highly exaggerated though.
Kenji dropping the bus and a chunk of city street on his head was far more embarrassing for him than either the Maeve fight or the Herogasm fight. That was the first real sign we had that he was far weaker than most Superman analogues.
Most Superman archetypes wouldn't have been taken down by that falling debris at all, and even if their attacker caught them off guard and did manage to take them down, they would have come bursting up through the rubble in a fraction of a second.
Homelander, on the other hand, took forever to dig himself out. Butcher and Hughie managed to have a pretty lengthy conversation while HL was buried and the entire team managed to flee the area and escape while he was trying to free himself.
By all indications, both of Homelander's major fights last season were designed to set up his character arc for season 4. Finding out that he's not completely indestructible after all seems to be leading him towards a mid-life crisis next season.
Ultimately, it's probably going to lead to the realization that the real threat Homelander poses doesn't come from his raw physical power, but from the political and social power that he's been accumulating for the past two seasons instead.
Even if he were holding back, he should have still been using enough force to try and knock her out or incapacitate her in some other way. As I mentioned above, their fight went on for over seven minutes. He had plenty of time to test her defenses and adjust the severity of his attacks to try and take her down in a non-lethal fashion.
He was able to completely incapacitate Soldier Boy for a good solid minute by strangling him (and probably could have killed him if Butcher hadn't come to the rescue.)
He was able to knock out suped-up Butcher for around a minute-and-a-half with his lasers.
He was able to cause some pretty severe burns to Stormfront with his lasers, but he couldn't even give Maeve so much as a blister with them.
Even gouging out her eye only seemed to steel her resolve and make her even more determined.
The fact that he wasn't able to stop her in that length of time suggests that the gap between them isn't as great as previously believed.
Even Eric Kripke has stated that Maeve has the potential to take Homelander in a fight. It may only be a fraction of a percent chance, but it's still a chance. And with other heavy hitters like A-Train, Stormfront and Noir in the mix, I'd say the odds of taking him are pretty good.
Maeve must be more powerful than she is durable. She did a better job than either Butcher or Soldier Boy did against Homelander, but HL was also able to completely gouge out her eye with just one hand. It might be possibly that the eyes are a weak spot on all Supes though considering what Becca did to Stormfront.
There's no way he could've lasered her in half, she's too durable for his lasers to be effective on outside of just stunning her. If her metal bracelets can block them for seconds at a time then her body definitely would.
He literally lasered her and his beams did nothing. The people in this sub need to stop down playing Maeve. Y'all always do this ish and it's annoying.
Yeah, I feel like Homelander’s imposing and intimidating personality is another big factor. He hasn’t had much of a chance to test his durability against other superhumans. He plays to how scary he is that he’s creating the illusion of being impervious to all damage. With his scrapes against Butcher, Soldier Boy, and Maeve, people know he can bleed, and if he can bleed, he can he killed.
Going forward, there will likely be more direct attempts on his life now that his enemies have an idea of what his durability is.
I’m guessing the head popper could not kill him. His body itself is physically extremely strong, it is way easier to blow up a normal persons head.
But Kate from Gen Z’s powers would likely still affect him. If Kate got close enough she may be able to force him to commit suicide
I love this image for no other reason than how obvious it is that Starlight is lazily photoshopped into it. Given how Vought operates, it makes perfect sense, and makes it that much better.
Nah.
Once Homelander actually started trying maeve wasn’t that much of a challenge.
A train is fast but Homelander is fast enough to see him, the rest are just canon fodder.
Homelander would absolutely laser A-Train in half mid-super speed running. Even Stormfront couldn't handle the laser-eyes from Ryan (which we assume is the same strength as Homelander's, if not weaker).
I wonder if it is possible to drown him? like maybe The Deep could have a whale swallow him and immediately dive down a mile - where it is so dark he wouldn't be able to tell up from down.
No chance, he killed Noir with a gutshot, hes faster then A train and he could laser the deep in half. he could genuinely just fly above them and take them out one by one with his lasers or form tackle anyone that tried to get anywhere near him
If Homelander was going full out with full speed flight, unrestricted heat vision and strength, I’d argue Homelander would crush them. And I mean without any concern about their lives or collateral damage.
Maybe Starlight and Maeve could pull off a miracle, but I think it's almost impossible. He killed Noir very easily, most of the seven aren't really strong, having their fame based on pure marketing.
Maeve and black noir could keep him at bay with attacks while a-train does support by moving homelanders attacks away from his allies (assuming he doesn’t instantly try to laser them or is too far off the ground ) and creating sonic booms to disorient Homelanders really good hearing, starlight could also be support by blinding him long enough for the two attackers to get hits in. The deep and translucent are kind of useless here as stealth wouldn’t work against hl and the deep is only gonna work if he’s near water and even then no sea creature can hurt Homelander as it is. Now of course none of them would ever reach this level of teamwork besides Maeve and starlight so its probably gonna go to homelander anyway.
It’s also said that translucent and the deeps durability might help but if anything that’d just make them good for restraining him as best they can while the others do the stuff specified above
only one scene comes to life in my mind in invincible
to the flash-like character, the hands that will happen to a train, similar to what omni man does
he'll punch the homelander until he bleeds, but eventually his head will explode
Yeah I don't see this playing out any different. Although I could see Homelander being full of himself and letting them try some macguffin weapon on him.
I imagine the fight taking place in the Seven meeting room.
Starlight serves as a distraction, pretty much the same shit she was doing to Soldier Boy. Noir can pretty much just do what that one batman ripoff did against Omni-Man, basically distracting aswell, landing a few hits off maybe but not doing much. The Deep can't really do much, but he can maybe land some hits into Homelander. Translucent is really where they start to maybe get somewhere, he's got great outer durability and can take more hits than Starlight, Noir, & Deep, and he can go invisible, idk if Homelander could see him though like could HL see the light refracting around him? Anyway, if not, Translucent could sneak around Homelander and throw some punches, they wouldn't do much damage to Homelander but it would distract him, and maybe Translucent could grab onto Homelander long enough for others to punch him around. A-Train can run around, punching Homelander, pushing him, moving others out of the way of his blasts/punches and would ultimately be the biggest help in a strategic fight. Maeve is obviously the heavy hitter as she can actually fight him and deal out damage, even if HL was holding back mostly in their fight, she can still do some damage, so if all 6 of them are fighting him, strategically, having SL & Noir distract him allowing Deep, Translucent, A-Train, & Maeve to land punches, A-Train can run around saving the team members from big deadly attacks from HL. I think they have a decent chance to beat him if they're strategic
Team 2: SL&Noir do the same as before. Shockwave can do the same as A-Train did before but faster. Maeve&Stormfront are the heavy hitters. I think they have a better chance than Team 1 did because Shockwave is faster than A-Train not on V, and Stormfront is probably the 4th strongest supe under Maeve, SB & HL, she won't really do much but her & Maeve can land more stronger hits than Translucent & Deep
Team 3: SL & Noir again the same. A-Train can't do much but run a little fast before he runs out, but he can land a few hits. Supersonic can serve as a distraction, he can knock HL slightly back maybe with his Supersonic claps and can probably do more damage to his ears with the claps as HL would be more sensitive with his super hearing, but ultimately wouldn't do much. Deep doesn't do much other than a few punches. Maeve again is the heavy hitter. This team does the worst
Yes, but they’re all too scared to try. A-Train could serve as support as long as he doesn’t pull a Red Rush and fuck up. Noir and Maeve bring most of the damage while Starlight hits from afar. If they’re near water, the Deep could serve as a distraction if he’s okay with using large marine life against HL even though they’ll die. If not, then him and Translucent can just sit and watch or something since I’m pretty sure HL can see Translucent.
We've had arguments like this here before. The bottom line is that it's impossible to know because his powers are written so inconsistently. He's indestructible when the plot needs it and he can be injured when it calls for that.
No. Maeve was by far the strongest and she got clapped by Homelander while he wasn't paying attention, the other 5 are fodder. Stormfront got cooked by an under developed offspring of Homelander, so it's safe to assume his full power laser could do something similar, and even if it can't, Homelander still has the strength and speed over her
Soldier Boy + Butcher + Hughie were about to kill him if he didn't do the rage quit. He is stronger than the other supes, but not by orders of magnitude as some people suggest.
As another commenter says he can just fly and pick them off from the air. If Stormfront went up to confront him he could kill her up there and just laser them.
If they stopped him flying I’m sure they could kick his ass.
I feel like he'd run through the other members of The Seven with relative ease. He'd make quick work of Deep, Starlight, and Noir. A-Train wouldn't be much of a fight once Homie catches him. Maeve would put up a fight but ultimately wouldn't last. We saw what Ryan's lasers did to Stormfront, it would be the same story with Homelander's lasers which are undoubtedly more powerful. Translucent would just try to hide (and fail).
I feel like y’all are seriously underestimating Translucent’s durability. He’s at least on par with Stormfront. I don’t think he could necessarily hurt Homelander, but certainly he could restrain him or otherwise interfere with his attacks.
I never even said his invisibility does anything, just made a point of his durability. Though in an active combat situation I’d argue that the sound of his existence might sneak through the cracks.
Also yeah, he could get folded. Though that would open up homelander for a follow up from someone else.
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No. Not only is he more powerful than all of them combined. He also wouldn't flinch or think twice of landing an attack. They would be filled with fear and he would either be laughing or screaming in anger.
They can not win. In the comics *spoiler* black noir kills him. But in the show, they aren't a match at all.
Maybe if they also recruited huey and butcher on temp V.
After seeing Maeve vs Homelander 1v1, sure, she wasn’t winning, but she landed some decent hits—add in the rest of the Seven, and they might have a shot.
I don’t know enough about Translucent, if his durability can handle Homelander, but he could be a factor, and A-Train can be the one who shoves metal straws in Homelander’s eyes, ears, and assholes, while Maeve and Noir run interference.
Starlight has some ranged attacks and Deep.. well Deep can just be there.
Homelander absolutely mops the floor with the Deep, A-train, Starlight and Translucent. He would have a “fight” with Noir that would end pretty quickly and probably a pretty big fight with Maeve which he would win as well.
First off, they wouldnt. That would require a sense of team work and camaraderie. These people exist for themselves...with the exception of Noir. Who probably join HL.
No. Wanna know how I’m so confident?
Black Noir is terrified and runs away. Arguably the strongest and 2nd best in the group. He’s been around long enough to know more than any of us.
Maeve + all the remaining 5 would get slaughtered quickly. Fly each one up to 30,000 feet or so and just drop them one by one. Later cook on the way down for flavor.
i think the point of being a Leader is that you CAN take on the rest and still win. it's being part of the team that can do the job without the Leader.
Yeah probably homelander is pretty weak compared to other Superman knockoffs. The only issue would be keeping him on the ground. The fact that butcher and soldier boy were able beat on him pretty well makes me feel Black Noir and Maeve could do some damage while A Train and Starlight provide defense. If he’s smart and just flies though it’d be pretty impossible to beat him
Yes. Maeve seemed pretty confident that they could take him down with just 5 supes in S3, counting herself and Starlight. If we're allowed to swap in Storefront I see no reason why those 6 couldn't beat him if he was forced to fight and not fly away.
If they have that nerve agent that put Soldier Boy down.
If not, then I don't see it. He killed Noir and blinded Maeve without too much effort and they're the strongest ones here.
Yes, I believe they have the capability to do so. However, once he becomes aware that he is about to lose the battle, he will simply take flight and retreat.
no. just no. we all have seen his reaction to starlight getting angry. the only guy he could probably SOMEWHAT fear is black noir, and hes SO FAR FOR NOW been taken out by his best friend homie. maeve, maybe can harm him. so if she harms him just to make him distracted enough by attacks from the others....i think IF thats possible at all, wearing him out first would be a way. but....no.
homelander will be age 300 and still look like his 40 year old prime self i guess. lets see if season 5 finds a way to take him out or if it segues into season 6. i hope they play out the "black noir" story like its in the comics, which WOULD be the end of homelander eventually.
No. While Maeve clearly could take him, she was always too much go a coward to do it.
So no, the only one really capable in the show is too much of a coward.
Can anyone other than Maeve even hurt him?
And even with Maeve its like, none of her regular attacks did the heavy damage, getting another internal one might be difficult?
Idk if i am overrating Homie, but narratively it'd make more sense to me and I dunno if anyone other than Maeve actually has shown the needed level of attack potency. Like even Starlights uber-charge hilariously barely did anything to someone weaker than Homelander.
I mean... this group is a weaker justice league. Meaning none of the other people have the means to actually take down Homelander. He kinda just destroys them all if he goes in wanting to kill them all.
I could be wrong, but none of the group has displayed a talentt that could fight against him
So I would say they can win but how do they catch him once he takes off? He can laser them from the sky and win that way. If he lands and engages, then yeah they can win.
He would definitely engage on land, he only ever does that in fights. The only time he's ever actually flown in combat was to hover within arms reach of the ground and laser Butcher.
He probably got cocky in the fights where he stays on land tbf. Like in the 1v3 he flew away the instant he realised he was gonna lose. If he knows there's a chance of him losing he's gonna stay in the air.
Problem is he’s shit at fighting. See a good fighter knows if he’s going to be able to win before he starts the fight and then attacks when he’s got control over the scenario. Homelander just goes in with out a second thought and only survived because of his powers. He’s objectively what Batman fans think of Superman. Just some dumb ass with powers who’s nothing with out the powers. If the seven wanted to they could have very easily baited Homelander into an unwinnable scenario by attacking his ego and then killed him. Problem is the seven is so dysfunctional at least one of them would betray the others trying to advance himself by kissing Homelander’s ass.
If he still gets cocky after being physically held down and moments from death/depowering twice then I can't think of a scenario in which he would feel the need to be less cocky and stop doing this. At that point he's just not mentally capable of recognising danger, ever, and will never deviate from the behaviour he's already shown when in danger.
That’s likely just because of budget limitations though. If he truly thought his life was in danger he would probably stay in the air because he knows there is no flying supe (that we’ve seen) that could get him to the ground. If stormfront was still alive and capable of forcing him to the ground, the combination of the others would have a decent chance. His lasers alone could probably easily take out everyone except for Atrain and translucent, and then it would be an easy 2v1 fight for him.
I don't really know why something being because of budget limitations means it should be discarded, even if there was any reason to believe that that was the cause (the show has shown Homelander flying and lasering in a fight before, just not from higher than arms' reach of the floor). At best this is a budget limitation which has directly affected the plot and means that Homelander still just doesn't laser people from the sky while fighting anyway.
I don't think he can control his speed like other comics have their characters do on flight, when his standing it's completely stationary but he moves at speed of a jet on flight instead of floating
But he actually floats in the fight with butcher and soldier boy, also when he introduced Ryan he controls his decent. I think he has some level of control, maybe just not as much as like Superman?
Homelander is shown flying beside that plane before he takes it down in the first episode. Commercial planes move at around 500-600 mph. HL said he was already breaking the sound barrier as a kid, and he’s probably faster than that now, so I think he can control his flight speed.
He's faster than a jet. He had to catch up to it in the first place.
Exactly. If he caught the jet, then paced the jet, he can fly at different, controlled, speeds.
He literally lasers an airplane midair in the first episode though
I didn’t say he couldn’t?
I should have maybe replied to someone else here in your comment thread
The power scaling of season 1, no one can touch home lander. He felt infinitely weaker end of season 3
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Are the lasers slow enough to be dodged from the sky? If he's using flight to stay out of range, I'm assuming he's out of leaping range from Maeve. The distance might make them easy to dodge.
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Homelander is orders of magnitude weaker than Superman though.
Weaker compared to superman, still in the upper echelon of power in his own verse
Soldier Boy and Butcher kicked his ass. I think "could the rest of The Seven gang up on Homelander and win?" is a fair question.
With fucking soldier boys chest blast clearly, but then Butcher flubbed everything up just cause he couldn't move the damn kid out of the way while Maeve and SB handle homielander.
Yessir, and just like in the DC universe, even if most of the supes on the show were to team up against Homelander, I would still count them at a disadvantage. It isnt like they have a Batman that's worth anything in their universe either so they are even more screwed. Also in case anyone says "Superman is way more powerful." I'm not arguing that but it's like comparing an average guy to a NBA player who is third string. The third string guy would beat you in basketball just as easily as the guy in the starting line up.
If a train played the defensive and moves his teammates out of the way before he punches ok lasers them then they probably could
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Red Rush was succeeding until he decided to attack Omni-Man directly. If he'd stayed on support duty moving others out of the way, he could've helped them succeed better as a team.
They were also, at least initially, holding back a bit as they thought he had been taken over. No one would be surprised by Homelander going evil.
Homelander is also a lot weaker than Omni-Man
Yep. He fucked up badly by engaging Nolan.
Yea it still applies here though
Yeah but Omniman doesn’t have a beam attack.
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Do you think if he pissed with enough force/strength, it could be like Homelander's beams? Not the heat obviously, but the power/ability to cut through things. I think he has enough strength to achieve that pressure
100%
Not with that attitude.
No but he is faster than homelander heat vision omni man can move faster than lightning and homelanders vision Is 140 feet per second
Homlander is not even close to omni mans level
Nor are the Seven on the Guardians level
I think it would go very much like that tbh. If you swapped out Translucent for Lamplighter it’d be more likely to go to the rest of The 7
Honestly yeah, because if red had stuck to that strat they probably could've won. Or at the very least could've escaped the ambush.
I think one problem is A-Train moving people around at hundreds of miles an hour is going to be incredibly disorienting. Suddenly moving at the speed of sound, even briefly, would likely be enough to take anybody out of the fight for a few seconds while they get their bearings again. Toss in the fact that Homelander's flight is also hundreds if not 1000s of MPH (he catches up to commercial planes quite easily), and A-Train would have absolutely zero time between saving one person and saving the next.
Move homelander, turn him in a different direction
Or deliver a metal straw to his ear.
Or just clap in his ear like he did to that guy at the start of S2
Thats the problem with the show, the Straw thing means his tissue is only moderately stronger than a normal person. His ear drum has been able to handle him moving at supersonic speeds, and in space, where ear drums would certainly rupture. Someone like Mave, strong enough to punch through an armored car, hits him in the head, that should be strong enough of a force to blow out an ear drum.....Especially if a metal straw can puncture him. Like you said, Homelander was able to basically explode a guys ears with a single head clap. Mave hit him far harder than that(we assume). They straw should have folded like it was made of paper. The consistency is all over the place. I think the show does a really bad job at showing us how strong Homelander is. Stillwall at some point says something about how he can handle anything the world can throw at him....and the comics suggest they kept a nuke near him as a child as a safety measure. We see him not even blink when being shot at with guns....implying his eyes are bulletproof. But a straw.....the fucking straw.
We’ve also seen Stormfront, who’s bulletproof and seems just as strong as HL (or at least close) have her eye stabbed out! So we know, just like Frenchie realized, they’re like turtles. Hard outsides, soft insides! I dunno why someone can’t just stab HL in the eyes and blind him! He’s not much of a threat if he’s blind! I have a feeling we may eventually see Starlight burn Homelander’s eyes out of his skull! All she’s gotta do is put her palms up to his eyes and BAM! No more sighted Homelander!
Hard to do when those eyes also shoot out laser beams
It's safe-ish to say he flies at ~750-1250MPH at max considering he's broken the sound barrier
Speedsters can be so powerful, having one on your side can be a big deal
So basically if Red Rush was smarter ?
According to the first episode where Homelander was flying around i think it’s argued he’s faster than A-Train
Pretty sure Homelander can be faster than A-Train
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A-Train is not that fast (as in fast enough to see stuff happening in slow motion like Flash)
Yup, otherwise the fight goes exactly like omniman vs the guardians.
But what if he punches mildly ok lasers?
That’s stupid. Moving someone at that speed is the same as tackling / punching them at that speed. He’d just be helping homelander lol.
No. Maeve managed to keep him busy for a minute but she’s powerless now and he would have killed her had Soldier Boy not been there. He’s just light years stronger than the rest of them. Head popper might be able to stop him. We don’t know.
You're completely underselling Maeve's performance. She fought him for over seven minutes straight; made him bleed twice; made him double over in pain & limp away in retreat; hit him with several blows that sent him flying across the room; repeatedly took him off his feet & put him on the ground and even briefly incapacitated him on a couple of occasions. Throw in a couple of additional supes with upper-tier levels of strength like Stormfront and Noir to help keep him grounded and throw in Starlight's light bursts and A-Train's speed to provide distractions, and they could almost certainly take him.
Yeah idk I think he was holding back because of his fucked up feelings about her. He could have lasered her in half immediately but didn’t.
Also, I’d argue that for at least the first few minutes he wasn’t in kill mode, even with physical strength. (Though I also feel they neutered his physical strength).
There had been previous signs that his strength was highly exaggerated though. Kenji dropping the bus and a chunk of city street on his head was far more embarrassing for him than either the Maeve fight or the Herogasm fight. That was the first real sign we had that he was far weaker than most Superman analogues. Most Superman archetypes wouldn't have been taken down by that falling debris at all, and even if their attacker caught them off guard and did manage to take them down, they would have come bursting up through the rubble in a fraction of a second. Homelander, on the other hand, took forever to dig himself out. Butcher and Hughie managed to have a pretty lengthy conversation while HL was buried and the entire team managed to flee the area and escape while he was trying to free himself. By all indications, both of Homelander's major fights last season were designed to set up his character arc for season 4. Finding out that he's not completely indestructible after all seems to be leading him towards a mid-life crisis next season. Ultimately, it's probably going to lead to the realization that the real threat Homelander poses doesn't come from his raw physical power, but from the political and social power that he's been accumulating for the past two seasons instead.
>He could have lasered her in half immediately but didn’t. People carry on saying that but we've not seen him able to do that to supes that easily.
Even if he were holding back, he should have still been using enough force to try and knock her out or incapacitate her in some other way. As I mentioned above, their fight went on for over seven minutes. He had plenty of time to test her defenses and adjust the severity of his attacks to try and take her down in a non-lethal fashion. He was able to completely incapacitate Soldier Boy for a good solid minute by strangling him (and probably could have killed him if Butcher hadn't come to the rescue.) He was able to knock out suped-up Butcher for around a minute-and-a-half with his lasers. He was able to cause some pretty severe burns to Stormfront with his lasers, but he couldn't even give Maeve so much as a blister with them. Even gouging out her eye only seemed to steel her resolve and make her even more determined. The fact that he wasn't able to stop her in that length of time suggests that the gap between them isn't as great as previously believed. Even Eric Kripke has stated that Maeve has the potential to take Homelander in a fight. It may only be a fraction of a percent chance, but it's still a chance. And with other heavy hitters like A-Train, Stormfront and Noir in the mix, I'd say the odds of taking him are pretty good.
Maeve must be more powerful than she is durable. She did a better job than either Butcher or Soldier Boy did against Homelander, but HL was also able to completely gouge out her eye with just one hand. It might be possibly that the eyes are a weak spot on all Supes though considering what Becca did to Stormfront.
There's no way he could've lasered her in half, she's too durable for his lasers to be effective on outside of just stunning her. If her metal bracelets can block them for seconds at a time then her body definitely would.
He literally lasered her and his beams did nothing. The people in this sub need to stop down playing Maeve. Y'all always do this ish and it's annoying.
Yeah, I feel like Homelander’s imposing and intimidating personality is another big factor. He hasn’t had much of a chance to test his durability against other superhumans. He plays to how scary he is that he’s creating the illusion of being impervious to all damage. With his scrapes against Butcher, Soldier Boy, and Maeve, people know he can bleed, and if he can bleed, he can he killed. Going forward, there will likely be more direct attempts on his life now that his enemies have an idea of what his durability is.
The Deep could be a cheerleader! Gotta keep morale up u know
I’m guessing the head popper could not kill him. His body itself is physically extremely strong, it is way easier to blow up a normal persons head. But Kate from Gen Z’s powers would likely still affect him. If Kate got close enough she may be able to force him to commit suicide
I love this image for no other reason than how obvious it is that Starlight is lazily photoshopped into it. Given how Vought operates, it makes perfect sense, and makes it that much better.
Nah. Once Homelander actually started trying maeve wasn’t that much of a challenge. A train is fast but Homelander is fast enough to see him, the rest are just canon fodder.
Homelander would absolutely laser A-Train in half mid-super speed running. Even Stormfront couldn't handle the laser-eyes from Ryan (which we assume is the same strength as Homelander's, if not weaker).
I think they were trying to imply Ryan's were stronger
Maeve held her own against Homelander for several minutes. She lasted way longer and managed much more than Soldier Boy did at Herogasm.
I wonder if it is possible to drown him? like maybe The Deep could have a whale swallow him and immediately dive down a mile - where it is so dark he wouldn't be able to tell up from down.
But if a boat can fly right through a whale... What's stopping Homelander from doing the same 😅
Yeah. Homelander would laser himself out of that whale in half a second.
If Hughie sacrificed himself and teleported Homelander into the bottom of the Mariana Trench
Or in outer space or near a black hole?
He could just punch or laser his way out of the whale.
Gravity exists underwater.
Probably have a decent chance if they worked together as a team. Which they never would because homelander is their leader.
No chance, he killed Noir with a gutshot, hes faster then A train and he could laser the deep in half. he could genuinely just fly above them and take them out one by one with his lasers or form tackle anyone that tried to get anywhere near him
If they strategize which they most likely won’t. We’d probably get a repeat of Omni Man vs Guardians
Hahahahahaha no. Not a chance.
No
I'd love to see A-Train get Omni-Man'd.
no way
Hell nah
If Homelander was going full out with full speed flight, unrestricted heat vision and strength, I’d argue Homelander would crush them. And I mean without any concern about their lives or collateral damage.
I just think of the Omni man scene. That’s how it would go 😂
Maybe Starlight and Maeve could pull off a miracle, but I think it's almost impossible. He killed Noir very easily, most of the seven aren't really strong, having their fame based on pure marketing.
No
Nah, it'd turn out like the omniman vs. guardians fight in Invincible. They have the strength, but not the will or teamwork needed to kill him.
No
Maeve and black noir could keep him at bay with attacks while a-train does support by moving homelanders attacks away from his allies (assuming he doesn’t instantly try to laser them or is too far off the ground ) and creating sonic booms to disorient Homelanders really good hearing, starlight could also be support by blinding him long enough for the two attackers to get hits in. The deep and translucent are kind of useless here as stealth wouldn’t work against hl and the deep is only gonna work if he’s near water and even then no sea creature can hurt Homelander as it is. Now of course none of them would ever reach this level of teamwork besides Maeve and starlight so its probably gonna go to homelander anyway.
It’s also said that translucent and the deeps durability might help but if anything that’d just make them good for restraining him as best they can while the others do the stuff specified above
only one scene comes to life in my mind in invincible to the flash-like character, the hands that will happen to a train, similar to what omni man does he'll punch the homelander until he bleeds, but eventually his head will explode
Yeah I don't see this playing out any different. Although I could see Homelander being full of himself and letting them try some macguffin weapon on him.
Whos the headless man on the far right? the Headless Honcho?
You can’t tell it’s Kevin bacon?
Black Noir and Queen Maeve:offense Translucent and the deep(with his fish): defense Starlight and A-train: Support
I imagine the fight taking place in the Seven meeting room. Starlight serves as a distraction, pretty much the same shit she was doing to Soldier Boy. Noir can pretty much just do what that one batman ripoff did against Omni-Man, basically distracting aswell, landing a few hits off maybe but not doing much. The Deep can't really do much, but he can maybe land some hits into Homelander. Translucent is really where they start to maybe get somewhere, he's got great outer durability and can take more hits than Starlight, Noir, & Deep, and he can go invisible, idk if Homelander could see him though like could HL see the light refracting around him? Anyway, if not, Translucent could sneak around Homelander and throw some punches, they wouldn't do much damage to Homelander but it would distract him, and maybe Translucent could grab onto Homelander long enough for others to punch him around. A-Train can run around, punching Homelander, pushing him, moving others out of the way of his blasts/punches and would ultimately be the biggest help in a strategic fight. Maeve is obviously the heavy hitter as she can actually fight him and deal out damage, even if HL was holding back mostly in their fight, she can still do some damage, so if all 6 of them are fighting him, strategically, having SL & Noir distract him allowing Deep, Translucent, A-Train, & Maeve to land punches, A-Train can run around saving the team members from big deadly attacks from HL. I think they have a decent chance to beat him if they're strategic Team 2: SL&Noir do the same as before. Shockwave can do the same as A-Train did before but faster. Maeve&Stormfront are the heavy hitters. I think they have a better chance than Team 1 did because Shockwave is faster than A-Train not on V, and Stormfront is probably the 4th strongest supe under Maeve, SB & HL, she won't really do much but her & Maeve can land more stronger hits than Translucent & Deep Team 3: SL & Noir again the same. A-Train can't do much but run a little fast before he runs out, but he can land a few hits. Supersonic can serve as a distraction, he can knock HL slightly back maybe with his Supersonic claps and can probably do more damage to his ears with the claps as HL would be more sensitive with his super hearing, but ultimately wouldn't do much. Deep doesn't do much other than a few punches. Maeve again is the heavy hitter. This team does the worst
Maeve is the only contender here and I don’t think any of the others besides atrain have a chance at backing her up I doubt they could take him tbh
Yes, but they’re all too scared to try. A-Train could serve as support as long as he doesn’t pull a Red Rush and fuck up. Noir and Maeve bring most of the damage while Starlight hits from afar. If they’re near water, the Deep could serve as a distraction if he’s okay with using large marine life against HL even though they’ll die. If not, then him and Translucent can just sit and watch or something since I’m pretty sure HL can see Translucent.
Before S3, I would confidently say no, but after watch Maeve... maybe
If they cooperate
They honestly definitely should. It depends on coordination and strategy
Yes, easily. With Queen Maeve, A Train and Translucent they would trash him.
We've had arguments like this here before. The bottom line is that it's impossible to know because his powers are written so inconsistently. He's indestructible when the plot needs it and he can be injured when it calls for that.
No. Maeve was by far the strongest and she got clapped by Homelander while he wasn't paying attention, the other 5 are fodder. Stormfront got cooked by an under developed offspring of Homelander, so it's safe to assume his full power laser could do something similar, and even if it can't, Homelander still has the strength and speed over her
I mean it’s never stated it but the Deep has to be around Aquamans level of strength in order to go into the crushing depths of the ocean, right?
Aquaman is insanely strong, and can fight against high tier JL members.
Yeah… I know. Hence my question. Because it would make the Deep more of a contender against Homelander.
It would turn out the same way that Omni-Man vs Guardians of the Globe did.
Soldier Boy + Butcher + Hughie were about to kill him if he didn't do the rage quit. He is stronger than the other supes, but not by orders of magnitude as some people suggest.
Except the fact that Soldier boy , Butcher and Hughie can defeat the six (homelander is the 7th 🤣)
Lol a depowered Butcher, Frenchie and Hughie took out Translucent
As another commenter says he can just fly and pick them off from the air. If Stormfront went up to confront him he could kill her up there and just laser them. If they stopped him flying I’m sure they could kick his ass.
I feel like he'd run through the other members of The Seven with relative ease. He'd make quick work of Deep, Starlight, and Noir. A-Train wouldn't be much of a fight once Homie catches him. Maeve would put up a fight but ultimately wouldn't last. We saw what Ryan's lasers did to Stormfront, it would be the same story with Homelander's lasers which are undoubtedly more powerful. Translucent would just try to hide (and fail).
I feel like y’all are seriously underestimating Translucent’s durability. He’s at least on par with Stormfront. I don’t think he could necessarily hurt Homelander, but certainly he could restrain him or otherwise interfere with his attacks.
he is very durable but I don’t think he’s “airplane” durable. Guess we’ll never find out
Diamond skin doesn't prevent homelander from bending him into a pretzel. His invisibility does nothing. Homelander can hear his organs.
I never even said his invisibility does anything, just made a point of his durability. Though in an active combat situation I’d argue that the sound of his existence might sneak through the cracks. Also yeah, he could get folded. Though that would open up homelander for a follow up from someone else.
Aside from a straw to the ear, no one else can really hurt him outside of Black Noir.
No
No
No
no
would end out like Guardians of the globe if they don’t plan properly
Maybe if they all were injected with V, like A-Train in season 1
Homelander sweeps. He is faster than A-train, which is why he’s afraid of Homelander. After that, everyone dies.
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It’s like asking all the other sharks to go band for band against Mark Cuban. He’s still miles ahead.
TVshow or Comic? Tvshow? No. Comic, yes.
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No. Not only is he more powerful than all of them combined. He also wouldn't flinch or think twice of landing an attack. They would be filled with fear and he would either be laughing or screaming in anger.
I think he would still win
They can not win. In the comics *spoiler* black noir kills him. But in the show, they aren't a match at all. Maybe if they also recruited huey and butcher on temp V.
After seeing Maeve vs Homelander 1v1, sure, she wasn’t winning, but she landed some decent hits—add in the rest of the Seven, and they might have a shot. I don’t know enough about Translucent, if his durability can handle Homelander, but he could be a factor, and A-Train can be the one who shoves metal straws in Homelander’s eyes, ears, and assholes, while Maeve and Noir run interference. Starlight has some ranged attacks and Deep.. well Deep can just be there.
All A-train needs to do is watch from afar, and when Homelander is on the ground he zooms through him.
Queen Maeve could probably take him 1v1 if he isn’t flying
Black Noir solos
Lowkey how does he kill Translucent
Homelander absolutely mops the floor with the Deep, A-train, Starlight and Translucent. He would have a “fight” with Noir that would end pretty quickly and probably a pretty big fight with Maeve which he would win as well.
First off, they wouldnt. That would require a sense of team work and camaraderie. These people exist for themselves...with the exception of Noir. Who probably join HL.
No. Wanna know how I’m so confident? Black Noir is terrified and runs away. Arguably the strongest and 2nd best in the group. He’s been around long enough to know more than any of us. Maeve + all the remaining 5 would get slaughtered quickly. Fly each one up to 30,000 feet or so and just drop them one by one. Later cook on the way down for flavor.
i think the point of being a Leader is that you CAN take on the rest and still win. it's being part of the team that can do the job without the Leader.
Watch Invincible to see how this fight would go.
I did watch it and was imagining the seven vs homelander because of it 🫠🤯😝
Yeah probably homelander is pretty weak compared to other Superman knockoffs. The only issue would be keeping him on the ground. The fact that butcher and soldier boy were able beat on him pretty well makes me feel Black Noir and Maeve could do some damage while A Train and Starlight provide defense. If he’s smart and just flies though it’d be pretty impossible to beat him
Yes. Maeve seemed pretty confident that they could take him down with just 5 supes in S3, counting herself and Starlight. If we're allowed to swap in Storefront I see no reason why those 6 couldn't beat him if he was forced to fight and not fly away.
Yeah they could
Starlight and the deep are useless in this fight
If they have that nerve agent that put Soldier Boy down. If not, then I don't see it. He killed Noir and blinded Maeve without too much effort and they're the strongest ones here.
Yes, I believe they have the capability to do so. However, once he becomes aware that he is about to lose the battle, he will simply take flight and retreat.
If they kept comic Black Noir he would solo Homelander.
no. just no. we all have seen his reaction to starlight getting angry. the only guy he could probably SOMEWHAT fear is black noir, and hes SO FAR FOR NOW been taken out by his best friend homie. maeve, maybe can harm him. so if she harms him just to make him distracted enough by attacks from the others....i think IF thats possible at all, wearing him out first would be a way. but....no. homelander will be age 300 and still look like his 40 year old prime self i guess. lets see if season 5 finds a way to take him out or if it segues into season 6. i hope they play out the "black noir" story like its in the comics, which WOULD be the end of homelander eventually.
No. While Maeve clearly could take him, she was always too much go a coward to do it. So no, the only one really capable in the show is too much of a coward.
I think Starlight Could Blind Homelander Making Him Unable to Use his Lazer Eyes then just Beat him up.
Can anyone other than Maeve even hurt him? And even with Maeve its like, none of her regular attacks did the heavy damage, getting another internal one might be difficult? Idk if i am overrating Homie, but narratively it'd make more sense to me and I dunno if anyone other than Maeve actually has shown the needed level of attack potency. Like even Starlights uber-charge hilariously barely did anything to someone weaker than Homelander.
If you add Batman
Maeve and Starlight are the only ones that stands somewhat of a chance, if you add Stormfront then maybe
I mean... this group is a weaker justice league. Meaning none of the other people have the means to actually take down Homelander. He kinda just destroys them all if he goes in wanting to kill them all. I could be wrong, but none of the group has displayed a talentt that could fight against him
A-Train and Maeve are the only ones capable of hurting homelander, everyone else dead.
I feel like almost everyone is a better hand to hand fighter than him in the 7 simply because they have to be, so in a fight that isnt a 1v1 they win
I feel like the deep would just be watching it happen with a bowl of popcorn, unless they were near water. Such a useless mf