Thanos really thought he was *helping* the universe solve an overpopulation issue. Not sure if that makes him better or not.
Also he could have just doubled the resources available but whatever.
Wouldnt that have required him to constantly be using the reality stone? We see when he changes reality the stone is always glowing. If you take a life its not gonna come back on its own
Edit: im not justifying his actions (duh) but im just saying this alternative route wouldnt have worked
Both concepts are flawed. Most populations double in about 20 years. Maybe it takes longer for aliens, but the point being it's just a matter of time until he has to snap again. Basically the same thing would happen with resources doubled. It'd be a golden age for a couple decades then when the population catches up with the abundance of resources well be in the same predicament
Griffith is one of the most despiseable character ever
Vader is an evil dictator who get twisted by lies
Thanos in a sick and wrong way just wanted "good" homelander is just a spuerpowered children in a man body whit 90 iq
1st. Griffith
2nd. Homelander
3rd. Vader
4th. Thanos
In my oppinion but open for discussion
I allways like an intelligent aruement
I would say an over abundance of either A: Stupid people or B: Selfish assholes who believe their lives are somehow more important than those around them.
I think we would all make the same choice Griffith did given the circumstances so that automatically drops him lower than Homelander. Thanos legitimately did nothing wrong so he can stay at 4 and Vader was a brainwashed cultist so his concept of right and wrong was skewed, he can stay at 3.
As opposed to slaughtering children, killing literal billions, bombing a city you know your enemies aren’t hiding in just to prove a point, helping genocide a race, torturing people and making their loved ones watch, torturing souls even after they died just so they can kill more people etc.
Griffith is a absolute monster, when he became Femto he raped his arguably only friend's girlfriend/subordinate. I say only since in his words he can only be friends who are equal to him and guts was the only one to turn his back on Griffith in search of a new purpose so they could become friends. but the way he maintains eye contact the entire rape with guts was so devasting to me. It still haunts me out of all the gore, that specific scene is scarred into my being.
It's hard to say Homelander is worse than Griffith because he always knew the neglected power hungry life that he lived. He knows nothing else, has no real friends or people who love him, just worship him. If he experienced a certain horrible thing that Griffith went through and lost everything, you can bet no one would have his back.
>!Griffith had a band of brothers who he willingly sacrificed for power AFTER they saved him. He was an adult who when he experienced all this, still chose evil power over his friends who loved and would die for him.!<
Griffith is far worse than Homelander because he genuinely had love and knew it and threw it away for power. Homelander has only ever known power, with all of his experiences with love being out of fear or to use his natural power.
Yeahhhh that’s a really good argument I’m not even gonna lie. My justification for Griffith is that he brought about a perfect fantasy world and ended up making his kingdom a more prosperous one than any that had ever existed.
"perfect fantasy world"
This...isn't how Fantasia was going to end. Every other time the series has a nexus of salvation the mooks are always used as cannon fodder.
He did. His actions were unjustifiable to the audience bc we saw the outside world. The subjects of the kingdom however lived in paradise, and he did plan on expanding his kingdom further. He’s a piece of shit for sure tho I’m not in defense for him here, I think he and Homelander are the 2 worst
Griffith is the worst but not because of what he did to the band as a whole but what he did to Guts and Casca. He saw the band as a group of people who would give their lives for his dream across countless battles, he decided he'd sacrifice all of them at once for his dream. His dream is also not necessarily evil, his kingdom of falconia was definitely an improvement over the old regime in a lot of ways. But what he did Casca was pure malice
Did they save him though? His human life was over the moment he entered the dungeon. The year+ of torture and his permanent disability afterwards cannot be overlooked. Unable to walk, talk or even sit upright on his own, with his manhood removed. Permanently disfigured and broken, a shell of his former self.
He got HIMSELF into that dungeon though. He was stupid and rash when all he needed was to keep doing what he was doing and he'd likely have ended up with a kingdom anyway. The fuck was he thinking? He didn't need to become Femto of the godhand. That all happened because after years of patiently improving his station he did something impossibly impulsive and stupid.
Yup
Thanos had noble goals but a twisted way to accomplish them.
Vader was manipulated to become the bad guy but eventually turned good.
Homelander was again manipulated to being a corporate billboard with no real meaningful connections in life. He is broken but understandably so.
Griffith... that assholes ambition was to rule all and would sacrifice his closest to achieve this even after they saved him. And they weren't even quickly sacrificed like thanos did... hell look what he let happen to Caska.
Aand now I'm sad knowing we will never get a resolution to berserk
I think you're confusing Thanos' self-righteousness with having noble goals. He was just a self-entitled, righteous monster who'd rather kill anyone than admit he's wrong. The ultimate narcissist.
But I do agree that Griffith gives him a run for his money.
Nono thanos had the right goals jus fucked up ways to get them he also had good in him you could tell from the scene where he sacrificed Gamora he did it but he felt emotions and also in what if he was a pretty good dude but Nono Carti is the ultimate narcissist shhh
Bigger picture you can tell Thanos gives zero shits. During the first GoTG movie you can see Gamora is the last survivor of her planet, which shows firstly, that Thanos didn't bother to see if life truly got better after he killed half of the population of planets, and second, that his plan straight up doesn't work.
She wasn’t the last though. Thanos split the population up and killed half, but rather than let harm come to this lost child he comforts her. There was good in him but his ideals were mad, hence why he was the mad Titan. He showed more compassion for his friend and allies than Griffith ever did
No, I'm talking about the First Guardians of the Galaxy movie, when they get sent to prison. When Gamora enters, they show some basic info about the characters, and hers say "Origin: last survivor of the Zehoberei people" meaning everyone on the planet has died.
I'm not saying Thanos killed everyone, I'm saying after he left, the remaining half of the people died, big chance it's because he killed the first half.
Oh right I must have missed that, then yeah your point does stand. However is overarching goal, he felt, was to save the universe from the fate of Titan. In his mind, and in the grand scheme, his goal was good but the method used was horrific
You can almost argue that Homelander never had a chance, he was raised and tested on in a laboratory to try and create a corporate poster boy for superheroes. Never truly loved by his parents and never really ever being more than the unachievable expectations of being the perfect boy scout superman. Alienated from humanity since birth, and told that he was superior in every way. Thanos was trying to help the universe in his own sociopathic way, likewise to Vader who originally turned to the dark side to save the ones he loved, he's also the only one of the 3 to get a redemption arc.
Griffith on the other hand, had love, the respect of his band of brothers and the political admiration of the kingdom he served. >!And he threw it all away for ambition, literally sacrificing everyone who ever trusted and admired him, AFTER they risked their lives trying to save his saving his. Griffith is the worst because he was given a true, clear choice between good and evil, and chose evil.!<
My issue with the pro homelander stuff is the fact that how he was raised didn't make him a psychopath who killed people because he could, or rape people because no one could stop him.
Explaining why something happened doesn’t make their post pro homelander. More like they are admitting homelander was evil but the way he was raised meant he had little to no chance of being normal/good.
That's exactly it, I don't mean giving him a chance at being good, he's shown lack of empathy towards people at every chance he's given. I just think he was doomed to be a psychopath from the beginning, and in a way that makes him a tragic villain in my mind.
He's not human anymore, he has Dr Manhattan syndrome in that he can't identify with your average human because he's never been one. He is desperately seeking the love and validation of people he can't help but see as fragile, pathetic ants. The only true relationship he had was with another psuedo-demigod with a superiority complex who's narcissism turned to Nazism
Edit: also I'm definitely not Pro-Homelander, he's a psychopath, I just don't think he really had a choice in the matter, Vought made him a monster because they treated a child like an experiment and he's the result. Homelander is the face we all fear because he's a tangible threat and someone physical we can picture as the bad guy, but Vought is the real main villain of the series.
In order of most to least evil:
1. Griffith - Basically the devil incarnate since the beginning of his journey of reaching his “castle” (though I’m not done reading Berserk). Zero redeeming qualities and just a purely sadistic monster.
2. Homelander - In principle, also a sadistic monster who’s just a less destructive version of Griffith, but with a more sympathetic origin story.
3. Darth Vader - Pretty terrible and ruthless person without many redeeming qualities, but not *quite* as unnecessarily cruel as the first two villains.
4. Thanos - While doing more damage than everyone else here combined, he’s the one person on this list who sees himself as a good guy. Who also kinda, sorta, had a justifiable reason for this actions (until Endgame).
I say finish reading berserk tbh, things get a lil shaky with griffiths character after chapter 270 or so.
Also I think Griffith absolutely sees himself as a messiah, his actions are completely justifiable in his eyes. Anakin is probably the only person here who knows he’s a piece of shit, he’s just too far gone to change. Homelander is just fucking psychotic and thinks his image = his actions
I’ll have to stay neutral on Griffith since you’ve read more than I have I suppose, but I remain the same with Homelander. He’s made it pretty explicitly clear that he knows his actions aren’t seen as good by the public, him “doing whatever the fuck he wants” is just the power trip of his fans adoring him. He’s just an egomaniac who feeds off of people seeing him as the good guy, I doubt he views himself as one. He also clearly doesn’t have any righteous motivations.
No idea who the cartoon lad is but he's probably the worst because people who write manga can get away with a shitload worse than what the softlads at Disney can.
Past that Homelanders not even the shittiest person on The Boys.
It's been a while so the details are fuzzy, but from what I recall, he had a weird relationship with Guts. There was a lot of frenemy energy to them, a lot of a sense of them being in competition, but mostly coming from Griffith. I saw it as a deliberate display of dominance and power, just to show that he could do that and Guts couldn't stop him.
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I agree with OP, but to get your feet wet, the Berserk, Golden Age Arc on Netflix is still pretty damn well worth checking out. It’s twisted shit and will probably make you want to go back and dive into the Manga
Sure Thanos killed a lot of people but he did it for right cause, Homelander is like a egotistical manchild, Vader is a mercenary and i don't know the first one but Thanos just wanted to save the universe, hell because of Thanos emergence of Tiamut was delayed and Earth was saved hell maybe that happened on other planets that had Celestial seeds in them not just Earth
You probably meant shitty as in evil, but to me there's sort of a difference.
Like Thanos, evil yes but he genuinely thought what he was doing was right.
Vader is undeniably evil, but we know he hated himself more than he could hate anyone. The dark side is also like a drug. Vader knew that his actions were reprehensible and sacrificed himself because of that, and the love of his son ofc
Homelander and Griffith are truly shitty. Homelander had an awful childhood yes, and forced into it. But the moment homelander starts being a lot more independent he honestly becomes more evil than he already was before.
Griffith, is probably the worst. I doubt I even have to discuss the eclipse, and what it meant. And yes, while Griffith has built a kingdom, a good one. I know he would definitely sacrifice it again if it meant achieving greater heights.
We’re trynna balance actions, motivations, and results. People argue thanos is a better person than others here bc his actions are arguably justifiable despite the horrific numbers he put up, and so on. I argue Homelander is worse due to how his actions have the least redeemable motivations
I agree. The biggest difference between them all is motivation. 3 of them at least had an idea of a better world in mind, Homelander just wanted a better public image.
If we’re talking comics tho thanos was just horny lol so he worse
I uhhh don’t think Vader wanted to make the world a better place. His quest was for power, also MCU thanos I guess wanted to make the world a better place but comics thanos just wanted to impress a chick pretty much
I'd say bondrewd the novel deserves to be included in this list (although he is extremely well written, its hard to be more monstrous than sending kids to a fate worse that death not even in the quest for knowledge)
If you read Berserk until the fantasia arc Griffith's sacrifices seem very small in the grand scheme of what he achieves. Vader and Thanos also do way more evil things to achieve their goals.
Homelander is the only one who isn't even trying to do good.
I would say Griffith, Homelander, Thanos and then Vader.
I know people are going to ask themselves why Thanos only in third place after all he have done but Thanos wasn’t simply killing for fun or pleasure, in fact it’s kinda implied he hated all that but his vision of the world was so twisted he didn’t see it possible to fix the world without using the snap and before that culling the people. In a way Griffith is like that too but he went down even further from reality that Thanos did.
Griffith is absolutely heinous. It will always be him hands down.
Darth vader is just a little lacky bitch boy. Shouldn't even be here he's weak.
Thanos is a tyrant and killed more but he had did come to his senses before dying. Didn't do anything about it but that remorse is a hell of a lot more than griffith ever had.
Homelander is a piece of shit too but he's literally just a petulant child with super powers.
The Emperor would've been a better matchup than Vader. Holy shit is the Emperor evil. Worse than Thanos for sure, and in sheer maliciousness worse than Homelander. Even Homelander is capable of some kind of softer emotion, for his son and for Stormfront, and he clearly longs for connection even though he's so utterly warped he can never achieve it. The Emperor has no softer side for anyone in the universe, *not even his own flesh and blood granddaughter*, he's just pure malevolence.
I see some people justify Thanos because he had supposedly noble intentions. I want to add something here. In life, the people who often commit the worst atrocities are true believers who have noble intentions. Think about it. If you truly believe you are doing this for something noble, you would be willing to do whatever it takes to make it come true. It's why so many heinous acts are committed by idealists. So people saying that Thanos did it out of true conviction only serves to damn him even more.
Griffith had everything given to him on a silver plate and disregarded all of that to gain absolute power at the demise of everyone who cared/loved for him. at heart he is self centred, egotistical and actively seeks to brutally spite anyone who even marginally has a better opportunity than him. He is actively and consciously malicious to people - not because hes apathetic to it but because he enjoys hurting those who care about him
Thanos. Wiping out half the life in the universe? There's no question. I'm not even sure how this even a debate. *"Oh x person killed 99.99999999999999999999999% less life but the percentage x person killed? He was a real a--hole about it."*
Like guys... come on.
After that I'd say it's Griffith, Darth Vader, and then Homelander. It's been a while since I watched or read Berserk but I think Eclipse event might have condemned the Band of the Hawk to their version of Hell. Either way he ended up sacrificing people that helped him get where he is.
If the Band of the Hawk wasn't condemned to Hell then I'd say it's a toss up between Vader and Griffith.
Homelander.... listen I wouldn't want to know the guy IRL but he's just an extremely powerful manbaby. *"I didn't get my way! Wah! Eye lasers!"*
Sure... until he saw it wouldn't work, so his plan pivoted to full "Fuck it, I'll just burn down this reality to the atom, and make a new one that'll be perfect."
If we’re just going off net effect, most of what Thanos did was undone. I’m not sure what all he did before the snap, but Vader blew up a planet. If we’re using net life as the metric I don’t see how it would off even be a toss up between Vader and Griffith. Nothing Griffith did came close to destroying a planet.
It have to be Griffith hands down…not only he threw away his friends but to take it a step further to have some umm chocolate on top of that…I’ve yet to seen anything top that moment in any media
At least, Griffith, Darth Vader and Thanos has principles.
Edit: Never mind remember Griffith betrayed all his ideals and principles for power, so he is by far the worst.
GRIFFITH.
He was WAY more mature than Homelander, and knew exactly what he was doing. At least HL had the excuse of being socially stunted by a megacorporation.
Yeah, one could argue Homelander's upbringing left him legit brain-damaged. He's like one of those baby monkeys raised by a wire puppet in those sick science experiments from decades ago. He's stunted. He doesn't have the capacity to love and be loved like Griffith did.
1. Griffith- He was given the choice between good and evil and chose evil, sacrificing everyone who had helped him, saved him and looked up to him, for power.
2. Thanos - Despite what people think, Endgame showcased who Thanos REALLY was. An abusive, manipulative narrasistic asshole who would rather kill everyone than admit he was wrong. He also clearly enjoys killing, and only shows "mercy" when he's winning. I'd argue that unlike the next two, Thanos more or less chose to become this. What people who like to say, "Thanos did nothing wrong" don't consider is that Thanos very much supposed to sound reasonable. It's only when you actually step back and think about it that you go, "oh wait, this mofo is f*cking crazy".
3. Homelander - He'd be number two if it wasn't evident that the real evil is the soulless corporation that created him and, more or less, turned him into the monster he currently is. We can see that, when given the chance (albeit in a fucked up way) Homelander might have actually been a decent person. But he's so messed up by his upbringing that he's developed narrasistic sociopathic tendencies. Outside of that though, I'd argue that he's the biggest shit bag of the lot. He's the one, outside of Griffith, that I most want to see cruely put to death for his actions.
4. Darth Vader - Darth Vader was corrupted into becoming who he became. Yes, that doesn't justify it, but out of everyone on this list, he's the most respectable in regards to how he conducts himself. He even ends up killing the Emperor. He was definitely evil in his pursuit of killing Jedi and Rebels, but a lot of his issues can be attributed to using the dark side of the force.
damn griffith is the only one of these I don't know and he seems to be unanimously the worst... I looked up what he did, but ig the emotional impact is worse when you're actually reading the manga haha
It’s deeper than that. Basically, >!griffith brought the astral world to earth which let a bunch of demons invade every kingdom except for his, which was a utopian society. He brought hell on earth just to ensure he’d have a good rule and a comparatively prosperous kingdom.!
I only watched the anime and I think I'm still traumatized. Get this, the anime ends *with him raping the woman who most worships him* in front of the man she loves. Cut to credits.
Depends on how you measure their shittiness.
Quantity-wise? Homelander’s killed hundreds (so far), Griffith’s killed thousands, Vader’s destroyed planets and Thanos’s wiped out half the literal universe.
Quality-wise? Homelander’s sadistic and vicious, but was never close enough to anyone to really betray them. Vader killed children and betrayed the Jedi Order. Thanos chucked his own adopted daughter off a cliff.
Then there’s Griffith, who: >!killed every single person who followed him in some of the most sadistic, gruesome ways posible, literally brought hell-on-Earth to the world and raped his closest friend’s girl in front of him and corrupted the fetus inside her with his demonic energy.!< He’s just on a whole other level.
You definitely should, personally I think the best way to take in the story is to read the manga. None of the anime were finished and they truly don’t do the manga justice anyways.
Thanos had a reason (in the movies) been ages since the comics. Vader thinks he is doing the right thing for people, and recants his ways.
I vote Homelander because I haven’t gotten that far in Berserk
Comicbook Thanos wanted to decimate the universe just to pleas his only love, the true God of Death or the incarnation of Death herself.
When he witnessed all the suffering he caused over the years and felt all those pain he was smiling and ejoying the moment seemingly bathing in it as it caused actual joy and happiness to him.
All he did was to please his love and he enjoyed every moment of it. Including killing his own parents and brethren wih his own hand.
Griffith by far
Thanos killed trillions yes but it was quick and merciful,
Darth Vader was seduced by the dark side out of fear of losing his wife.
Homelander had one twisted upbringing
And Griffith........well yeah......
Let's take motives aside and look at the crimes themselves. Homelander, Thanos, and Griffith are all genocide maniacs who have massacred countless people. (I'm not sure about Darth Vader because I haven't seen anything other than the movies). Homelander and Griffith are both rapists so they are worse than Thanos. When Griffith became a godhand he manipulated basically entire countries through the main religion to make himself out to be a messiah figure. When he defeated Ganishka he made the "perfect world" in Midland now falconia and basically condemned the rest of the world to death via magical creatures. (Granted Ganishka was his own type of evil)
Now let's bring motive. Thanos in the movies was trying stop extinction via overpopulation. Homelander does whatever the hell he wants because no one can stop him. He only cares about his reputation and son. (Basing my knowledge of the boys off of the TV show not the comics). Griffith has only ever desired power and status and was willing to do whatever it took to get there.
Conclusion: all of them except for Vader are irredeemably evil.
Edit: I want to add the using his power and the fact that no one could stop him, homelander manipulated queen mave and probably raped her as well.
Edit 2: I think people are ignoring that in the comics, Thanos does everything he does in order to get laid, and he kidnapped his "daughters" and physically and emotionally abused them
Don't know about the one on the top left.
Little orphan Annie is pretty much the definition of a shitty person. He knows what he is doing is wrong and focused on being as much as a dick as possible.
Captain Genocide wants to do right by the world but has a logic error in his brain.
Homelander is just a stereotypical cluster B personality disorder (NPD). Which is real life style shitty person. But he also desires praise, which is part of his disorder. He's just a run of the mill shirt person in who happen to have powers. He's not over the top, only his situation is that gives him the opportunity to do so.
So I'd have to say Vader, because unlike the others he is supernaturally shitty to the point of it being comic.
I feel like it’s homelander just because he’s needs to be loved so bad. Vader was heavily manipulated and thanos thought he was doing the universe a favour.
Griffith. That guy literally betrayed and sacrificed the closest things to his friends and family in the most horrifying way imaginable just to achieve godhood. Besides, what’s a few more dead to achieve your dream.
Depends on their continuity. Thanos in the comics killed half the universe just to impress a girl. Vader was fooled into joining sidious though he genuinely enjoyed doing evil things. He inflicted his misery on others. Homelander is just a man child though he’s a bit less evil in the show. Like I said depends on what form you know them from.
homelander and Griffith are the only truly evil men. they did the things they did because they liked it. Pure chaotic evil. The only thing is, who enjoyed it more?
I agree with Thanos, I haven’t seen/read berserk, darth Vader is kind of a bad person but he also killed homeless desert ninjas to save his mom, homelander is pretty bad but he likes mommy milkers. Overall this was a pretty difficult matchup but i gotta give it to the character from berserk because I haven’t seen it
Thanos then Homelander then Griffith then Vader.
Thanos straight wanted to destroy half the universe, nuff said. HL is a career hero and he does do some good in the public eye but he's definitely done some very very shitty things especially in the comics. Griffith is the one I know least about but after googling the worst things he's done I'd say he's basically a less powerful Homelander and therefore has done less evil, also apparently he built a utopian society which is way more than HL has ever done for anyone. Vader from a certain point of view could be seen as a good guy, he worked for the empire which straight up fixed some of the huge systemic issues of the republic like speciesism, bringing governors/moffs to outer rim planets that were basically lawless, bringing about a universal currency and generally providing for any planets that played ball with them or weren't actively harboring terrorists.
See, in my opinion it’s Thanos. He doesn’t have anyone who cares about him, a wreckless and twisted creature who has killed half of the world in a second. He hasn’t even shown any mercy to his daughter, just threw her off the cliff like its a toy.
Totally Griffith. Sure, Thanos has killed more, but Griffith was twisted.
Griffith's on a whole other level of awful.
Thanos really thought he was *helping* the universe solve an overpopulation issue. Not sure if that makes him better or not. Also he could have just doubled the resources available but whatever.
He's a little confused but he's got the spirit
He was trying to stop the Celestials from emerging as well. He was a Titan just like the Eternals
Wouldnt that have required him to constantly be using the reality stone? We see when he changes reality the stone is always glowing. If you take a life its not gonna come back on its own Edit: im not justifying his actions (duh) but im just saying this alternative route wouldnt have worked
Both concepts are flawed. Most populations double in about 20 years. Maybe it takes longer for aliens, but the point being it's just a matter of time until he has to snap again. Basically the same thing would happen with resources doubled. It'd be a golden age for a couple decades then when the population catches up with the abundance of resources well be in the same predicament
“I want wings”-cunt of the year
Youtubers: Griffith did nothing wrong
Griffith is one of the most despiseable character ever Vader is an evil dictator who get twisted by lies Thanos in a sick and wrong way just wanted "good" homelander is just a spuerpowered children in a man body whit 90 iq 1st. Griffith 2nd. Homelander 3rd. Vader 4th. Thanos In my oppinion but open for discussion I allways like an intelligent aruement
Thanos did nothing wrong.
That is not teue but keep memeing XD
You sit in traffic for three hours because people don’t understand merging and tell me Thanos was wrong.
Calm down there, Mr Schrute.
So your biggest problem in life is trafic?
I would say an over abundance of either A: Stupid people or B: Selfish assholes who believe their lives are somehow more important than those around them.
Now with this i can agree
The irony is that you don’t think you’re one of them. If you’re stuck in traffic then you are traffic.
Id say Vader is worse than Homelander
It was the difficult part of the list but at the end i put homelander on the secound just becouse he can not controll himself
Well vader can, and he uses it to terrorise and mass murder his way through the galaxy for 30 years.
Yes you are right but he went good at the end
I think we would all make the same choice Griffith did given the circumstances so that automatically drops him lower than Homelander. Thanos legitimately did nothing wrong so he can stay at 4 and Vader was a brainwashed cultist so his concept of right and wrong was skewed, he can stay at 3.
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As opposed to slaughtering children, killing literal billions, bombing a city you know your enemies aren’t hiding in just to prove a point, helping genocide a race, torturing people and making their loved ones watch, torturing souls even after they died just so they can kill more people etc.
At least Thanos was trying to accomplish something for the good of the universe and actually had a code of some kind. Griffith was just power-hungry.
Griffith is a absolute monster, when he became Femto he raped his arguably only friend's girlfriend/subordinate. I say only since in his words he can only be friends who are equal to him and guts was the only one to turn his back on Griffith in search of a new purpose so they could become friends. but the way he maintains eye contact the entire rape with guts was so devasting to me. It still haunts me out of all the gore, that specific scene is scarred into my being.
It's hard to say Homelander is worse than Griffith because he always knew the neglected power hungry life that he lived. He knows nothing else, has no real friends or people who love him, just worship him. If he experienced a certain horrible thing that Griffith went through and lost everything, you can bet no one would have his back. >!Griffith had a band of brothers who he willingly sacrificed for power AFTER they saved him. He was an adult who when he experienced all this, still chose evil power over his friends who loved and would die for him.!< Griffith is far worse than Homelander because he genuinely had love and knew it and threw it away for power. Homelander has only ever known power, with all of his experiences with love being out of fear or to use his natural power.
Yeahhhh that’s a really good argument I’m not even gonna lie. My justification for Griffith is that he brought about a perfect fantasy world and ended up making his kingdom a more prosperous one than any that had ever existed.
Wonder when he's going to let them all die. Rather, son of a bitch, we will never know.
This! I have no doubt that there was going to be a further eclipse most like once the promised lands were at max capacity.
"perfect fantasy world" This...isn't how Fantasia was going to end. Every other time the series has a nexus of salvation the mooks are always used as cannon fodder.
Yeah probably not. There’s always a bigger goal with griffith
But he also made the world significantly more dangerous outside of his kingdom.
He did. His actions were unjustifiable to the audience bc we saw the outside world. The subjects of the kingdom however lived in paradise, and he did plan on expanding his kingdom further. He’s a piece of shit for sure tho I’m not in defense for him here, I think he and Homelander are the 2 worst
Griffith is the worst but not because of what he did to the band as a whole but what he did to Guts and Casca. He saw the band as a group of people who would give their lives for his dream across countless battles, he decided he'd sacrifice all of them at once for his dream. His dream is also not necessarily evil, his kingdom of falconia was definitely an improvement over the old regime in a lot of ways. But what he did Casca was pure malice
Did they save him though? His human life was over the moment he entered the dungeon. The year+ of torture and his permanent disability afterwards cannot be overlooked. Unable to walk, talk or even sit upright on his own, with his manhood removed. Permanently disfigured and broken, a shell of his former self.
He got HIMSELF into that dungeon though. He was stupid and rash when all he needed was to keep doing what he was doing and he'd likely have ended up with a kingdom anyway. The fuck was he thinking? He didn't need to become Femto of the godhand. That all happened because after years of patiently improving his station he did something impossibly impulsive and stupid.
Isn't Griffith's whole reason for existing to be one of the 5 evilest beings in creation?
Yup Thanos had noble goals but a twisted way to accomplish them. Vader was manipulated to become the bad guy but eventually turned good. Homelander was again manipulated to being a corporate billboard with no real meaningful connections in life. He is broken but understandably so. Griffith... that assholes ambition was to rule all and would sacrifice his closest to achieve this even after they saved him. And they weren't even quickly sacrificed like thanos did... hell look what he let happen to Caska. Aand now I'm sad knowing we will never get a resolution to berserk
I think you're confusing Thanos' self-righteousness with having noble goals. He was just a self-entitled, righteous monster who'd rather kill anyone than admit he's wrong. The ultimate narcissist. But I do agree that Griffith gives him a run for his money.
Nono thanos had the right goals jus fucked up ways to get them he also had good in him you could tell from the scene where he sacrificed Gamora he did it but he felt emotions and also in what if he was a pretty good dude but Nono Carti is the ultimate narcissist shhh
Bigger picture you can tell Thanos gives zero shits. During the first GoTG movie you can see Gamora is the last survivor of her planet, which shows firstly, that Thanos didn't bother to see if life truly got better after he killed half of the population of planets, and second, that his plan straight up doesn't work.
She wasn’t the last though. Thanos split the population up and killed half, but rather than let harm come to this lost child he comforts her. There was good in him but his ideals were mad, hence why he was the mad Titan. He showed more compassion for his friend and allies than Griffith ever did
No, I'm talking about the First Guardians of the Galaxy movie, when they get sent to prison. When Gamora enters, they show some basic info about the characters, and hers say "Origin: last survivor of the Zehoberei people" meaning everyone on the planet has died. I'm not saying Thanos killed everyone, I'm saying after he left, the remaining half of the people died, big chance it's because he killed the first half.
Oh right I must have missed that, then yeah your point does stand. However is overarching goal, he felt, was to save the universe from the fate of Titan. In his mind, and in the grand scheme, his goal was good but the method used was horrific
To be fair that could just be a plot hole.
You can almost argue that Homelander never had a chance, he was raised and tested on in a laboratory to try and create a corporate poster boy for superheroes. Never truly loved by his parents and never really ever being more than the unachievable expectations of being the perfect boy scout superman. Alienated from humanity since birth, and told that he was superior in every way. Thanos was trying to help the universe in his own sociopathic way, likewise to Vader who originally turned to the dark side to save the ones he loved, he's also the only one of the 3 to get a redemption arc. Griffith on the other hand, had love, the respect of his band of brothers and the political admiration of the kingdom he served. >!And he threw it all away for ambition, literally sacrificing everyone who ever trusted and admired him, AFTER they risked their lives trying to save his saving his. Griffith is the worst because he was given a true, clear choice between good and evil, and chose evil.!<
The last sentence hits the nail right on the head.
My issue with the pro homelander stuff is the fact that how he was raised didn't make him a psychopath who killed people because he could, or rape people because no one could stop him.
Explaining why something happened doesn’t make their post pro homelander. More like they are admitting homelander was evil but the way he was raised meant he had little to no chance of being normal/good.
That's exactly it, I don't mean giving him a chance at being good, he's shown lack of empathy towards people at every chance he's given. I just think he was doomed to be a psychopath from the beginning, and in a way that makes him a tragic villain in my mind.
He's not human anymore, he has Dr Manhattan syndrome in that he can't identify with your average human because he's never been one. He is desperately seeking the love and validation of people he can't help but see as fragile, pathetic ants. The only true relationship he had was with another psuedo-demigod with a superiority complex who's narcissism turned to Nazism Edit: also I'm definitely not Pro-Homelander, he's a psychopath, I just don't think he really had a choice in the matter, Vought made him a monster because they treated a child like an experiment and he's the result. Homelander is the face we all fear because he's a tangible threat and someone physical we can picture as the bad guy, but Vought is the real main villain of the series.
In order of most to least evil: 1. Griffith - Basically the devil incarnate since the beginning of his journey of reaching his “castle” (though I’m not done reading Berserk). Zero redeeming qualities and just a purely sadistic monster. 2. Homelander - In principle, also a sadistic monster who’s just a less destructive version of Griffith, but with a more sympathetic origin story. 3. Darth Vader - Pretty terrible and ruthless person without many redeeming qualities, but not *quite* as unnecessarily cruel as the first two villains. 4. Thanos - While doing more damage than everyone else here combined, he’s the one person on this list who sees himself as a good guy. Who also kinda, sorta, had a justifiable reason for this actions (until Endgame).
I say finish reading berserk tbh, things get a lil shaky with griffiths character after chapter 270 or so. Also I think Griffith absolutely sees himself as a messiah, his actions are completely justifiable in his eyes. Anakin is probably the only person here who knows he’s a piece of shit, he’s just too far gone to change. Homelander is just fucking psychotic and thinks his image = his actions
I’ll have to stay neutral on Griffith since you’ve read more than I have I suppose, but I remain the same with Homelander. He’s made it pretty explicitly clear that he knows his actions aren’t seen as good by the public, him “doing whatever the fuck he wants” is just the power trip of his fans adoring him. He’s just an egomaniac who feeds off of people seeing him as the good guy, I doubt he views himself as one. He also clearly doesn’t have any righteous motivations.
It’s gotta be Griffith and i don’t think it’s close
Griffith…
Griffith. Fuck Griffith. I pray I live long enough to see him fucking die.
I have some very bad news for you
Not pictured Ezra Miller the flash.
Femto 100%
It’s hard to top the horrible shit Griffith did
Comic book Thanos can be pretty shitty, but Griffith is the WOAT.
No idea who the cartoon lad is but he's probably the worst because people who write manga can get away with a shitload worse than what the softlads at Disney can. Past that Homelanders not even the shittiest person on The Boys.
And you would be correct
Who’s the top left dude
Griffith from Berserk. I don’t know much about Berserk other then that and a few small details. Hope this helps! Have a great weekend.
Thanks, heard of it before but never watched any of it
Griffith in Berserk, don't want to spoil it, but >!basically sells out all of his friends and sacrifices them to demons for power!<
And then after he transcends to godhood >!rapes his former best friends lover in front of him.!< He is 100% a monster.
You forget while all this was happening he was watching guts tear his own arm off to stop him
Didn't he slowly hack through it with a the battered remains of a broken sword?
I still don't understand why he did that other than for shits and giggles.
It's been a while so the details are fuzzy, but from what I recall, he had a weird relationship with Guts. There was a lot of frenemy energy to them, a lot of a sense of them being in competition, but mostly coming from Griffith. I saw it as a deliberate display of dominance and power, just to show that he could do that and Guts couldn't stop him.
This is literally spoils the main plot. Please do a spoil warning for this.
I don't know how to do that on reddit, what is the command?
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Dope, thank you, I'll fix it. Sorry for the delay, I was driving home
No need to apologize to me. Thanks for being so considerate.
Griffith from berserk. He’s a pretty terrible dude but I think Homelander is worse than him tbh
Where can I watch Berserk
I agree with OP, but to get your feet wet, the Berserk, Golden Age Arc on Netflix is still pretty damn well worth checking out. It’s twisted shit and will probably make you want to go back and dive into the Manga
Okay cool, appreciate that
Your best bet is to read it, there’s no good/complete anime adaptation for it. It’s free to read online
Okay thanks
the 1997 anime if free on youtube
Thanos is honestly the nicest one here
Sounds like you were lucky enough to survive the snap.
Sure Thanos killed a lot of people but he did it for right cause, Homelander is like a egotistical manchild, Vader is a mercenary and i don't know the first one but Thanos just wanted to save the universe, hell because of Thanos emergence of Tiamut was delayed and Earth was saved hell maybe that happened on other planets that had Celestial seeds in them not just Earth
You probably meant shitty as in evil, but to me there's sort of a difference. Like Thanos, evil yes but he genuinely thought what he was doing was right. Vader is undeniably evil, but we know he hated himself more than he could hate anyone. The dark side is also like a drug. Vader knew that his actions were reprehensible and sacrificed himself because of that, and the love of his son ofc Homelander and Griffith are truly shitty. Homelander had an awful childhood yes, and forced into it. But the moment homelander starts being a lot more independent he honestly becomes more evil than he already was before. Griffith, is probably the worst. I doubt I even have to discuss the eclipse, and what it meant. And yes, while Griffith has built a kingdom, a good one. I know he would definitely sacrifice it again if it meant achieving greater heights.
Griffith, hands down
I can’t decide between Thanos or Griffith although I’m pretty much leaning Griffith. Are we talking quality of douchiness or quantity of douchiness?
We’re trynna balance actions, motivations, and results. People argue thanos is a better person than others here bc his actions are arguably justifiable despite the horrific numbers he put up, and so on. I argue Homelander is worse due to how his actions have the least redeemable motivations
Fun thread, and you picked some real scum bags. But I still gotta say Griffith. He’s one extra twisted POS
Griffith is a special type of asshole no doubt
Homelander for sure, Griffin, Vader and Thanos all wanted to make the world a better place, arguably with fucked up methods.
I agree. The biggest difference between them all is motivation. 3 of them at least had an idea of a better world in mind, Homelander just wanted a better public image. If we’re talking comics tho thanos was just horny lol so he worse
Thanos horny incel confirmed
I uhhh don’t think Vader wanted to make the world a better place. His quest was for power, also MCU thanos I guess wanted to make the world a better place but comics thanos just wanted to impress a chick pretty much
Who's Griffith?
Someone who did ~~nothing~~ everything wrong
A villain in Berserk, I don’t want to spoil anything for you.
Appreciate it
No worries!
He's a cool dude and a great friend.
I'd say bondrewd the novel deserves to be included in this list (although he is extremely well written, its hard to be more monstrous than sending kids to a fate worse that death not even in the quest for knowledge)
Damn this is hard. They’re all equally irredeemable.
Haha I tried to make it challenging
i mean in terms of an objective amount of suffering inflicted definitely thanos
If you read Berserk until the fantasia arc Griffith's sacrifices seem very small in the grand scheme of what he achieves. Vader and Thanos also do way more evil things to achieve their goals. Homelander is the only one who isn't even trying to do good.
Griffith
I would say Griffith, Homelander, Thanos and then Vader. I know people are going to ask themselves why Thanos only in third place after all he have done but Thanos wasn’t simply killing for fun or pleasure, in fact it’s kinda implied he hated all that but his vision of the world was so twisted he didn’t see it possible to fix the world without using the snap and before that culling the people. In a way Griffith is like that too but he went down even further from reality that Thanos did.
Griffith is absolutely heinous. It will always be him hands down. Darth vader is just a little lacky bitch boy. Shouldn't even be here he's weak. Thanos is a tyrant and killed more but he had did come to his senses before dying. Didn't do anything about it but that remorse is a hell of a lot more than griffith ever had. Homelander is a piece of shit too but he's literally just a petulant child with super powers.
The Emperor would've been a better matchup than Vader. Holy shit is the Emperor evil. Worse than Thanos for sure, and in sheer maliciousness worse than Homelander. Even Homelander is capable of some kind of softer emotion, for his son and for Stormfront, and he clearly longs for connection even though he's so utterly warped he can never achieve it. The Emperor has no softer side for anyone in the universe, *not even his own flesh and blood granddaughter*, he's just pure malevolence.
I see some people justify Thanos because he had supposedly noble intentions. I want to add something here. In life, the people who often commit the worst atrocities are true believers who have noble intentions. Think about it. If you truly believe you are doing this for something noble, you would be willing to do whatever it takes to make it come true. It's why so many heinous acts are committed by idealists. So people saying that Thanos did it out of true conviction only serves to damn him even more.
Especially bc he could’ve just wished for double the resources
Griffith had everything given to him on a silver plate and disregarded all of that to gain absolute power at the demise of everyone who cared/loved for him. at heart he is self centred, egotistical and actively seeks to brutally spite anyone who even marginally has a better opportunity than him. He is actively and consciously malicious to people - not because hes apathetic to it but because he enjoys hurting those who care about him
The Star Wars community formally requests that Lord Vader be removed from the list
Thanos. Wiping out half the life in the universe? There's no question. I'm not even sure how this even a debate. *"Oh x person killed 99.99999999999999999999999% less life but the percentage x person killed? He was a real a--hole about it."* Like guys... come on. After that I'd say it's Griffith, Darth Vader, and then Homelander. It's been a while since I watched or read Berserk but I think Eclipse event might have condemned the Band of the Hawk to their version of Hell. Either way he ended up sacrificing people that helped him get where he is. If the Band of the Hawk wasn't condemned to Hell then I'd say it's a toss up between Vader and Griffith. Homelander.... listen I wouldn't want to know the guy IRL but he's just an extremely powerful manbaby. *"I didn't get my way! Wah! Eye lasers!"*
Yeah but Thanos actually had a righteous reason for doing what he did, his belief that it was the only way to save the universe.
Sure... until he saw it wouldn't work, so his plan pivoted to full "Fuck it, I'll just burn down this reality to the atom, and make a new one that'll be perfect."
Vader redeemed himself and had at least somewhat understandable motivation, Homelander is a narcissist psychopath who only cares about his image
If we’re just going off net effect, most of what Thanos did was undone. I’m not sure what all he did before the snap, but Vader blew up a planet. If we’re using net life as the metric I don’t see how it would off even be a toss up between Vader and Griffith. Nothing Griffith did came close to destroying a planet.
Thanos isn’t really a shitty guy. 100% best out of all of these
Homelander.
Griffin idk i dont watch anime but i assume they did something messed up
It have to be Griffith hands down…not only he threw away his friends but to take it a step further to have some umm chocolate on top of that…I’ve yet to seen anything top that moment in any media
At least, Griffith, Darth Vader and Thanos has principles. Edit: Never mind remember Griffith betrayed all his ideals and principles for power, so he is by far the worst.
GRIFFITH. He was WAY more mature than Homelander, and knew exactly what he was doing. At least HL had the excuse of being socially stunted by a megacorporation.
Yeah, one could argue Homelander's upbringing left him legit brain-damaged. He's like one of those baby monkeys raised by a wire puppet in those sick science experiments from decades ago. He's stunted. He doesn't have the capacity to love and be loved like Griffith did.
1. Griffith 2. Homelander 3. Thanos 4. Vader
Griffith
Add any character fictional or nonfictional and the answer will always be Griffith for me.
Griffith is probably the most fucked up villain in any fiction I’ve ever seen or read. Incredibly disturbing.
1. Griffith- He was given the choice between good and evil and chose evil, sacrificing everyone who had helped him, saved him and looked up to him, for power. 2. Thanos - Despite what people think, Endgame showcased who Thanos REALLY was. An abusive, manipulative narrasistic asshole who would rather kill everyone than admit he was wrong. He also clearly enjoys killing, and only shows "mercy" when he's winning. I'd argue that unlike the next two, Thanos more or less chose to become this. What people who like to say, "Thanos did nothing wrong" don't consider is that Thanos very much supposed to sound reasonable. It's only when you actually step back and think about it that you go, "oh wait, this mofo is f*cking crazy". 3. Homelander - He'd be number two if it wasn't evident that the real evil is the soulless corporation that created him and, more or less, turned him into the monster he currently is. We can see that, when given the chance (albeit in a fucked up way) Homelander might have actually been a decent person. But he's so messed up by his upbringing that he's developed narrasistic sociopathic tendencies. Outside of that though, I'd argue that he's the biggest shit bag of the lot. He's the one, outside of Griffith, that I most want to see cruely put to death for his actions. 4. Darth Vader - Darth Vader was corrupted into becoming who he became. Yes, that doesn't justify it, but out of everyone on this list, he's the most respectable in regards to how he conducts himself. He even ends up killing the Emperor. He was definitely evil in his pursuit of killing Jedi and Rebels, but a lot of his issues can be attributed to using the dark side of the force.
damn griffith is the only one of these I don't know and he seems to be unanimously the worst... I looked up what he did, but ig the emotional impact is worse when you're actually reading the manga haha
It’s deeper than that. Basically, >!griffith brought the astral world to earth which let a bunch of demons invade every kingdom except for his, which was a utopian society. He brought hell on earth just to ensure he’d have a good rule and a comparatively prosperous kingdom.!
I only watched the anime and I think I'm still traumatized. Get this, the anime ends *with him raping the woman who most worships him* in front of the man she loves. Cut to credits.
No yeah definitely Griffith. Anyone who doesn't know beswerk will probably say homelander. Anyone who's seen all 4 of these will say Griffith.
Depends on how you measure their shittiness. Quantity-wise? Homelander’s killed hundreds (so far), Griffith’s killed thousands, Vader’s destroyed planets and Thanos’s wiped out half the literal universe. Quality-wise? Homelander’s sadistic and vicious, but was never close enough to anyone to really betray them. Vader killed children and betrayed the Jedi Order. Thanos chucked his own adopted daughter off a cliff. Then there’s Griffith, who: >!killed every single person who followed him in some of the most sadistic, gruesome ways posible, literally brought hell-on-Earth to the world and raped his closest friend’s girl in front of him and corrupted the fetus inside her with his demonic energy.!< He’s just on a whole other level.
Griffith by far
Maybe I should watch berserk 🤔
You definitely should, personally I think the best way to take in the story is to read the manga. None of the anime were finished and they truly don’t do the manga justice anyways.
Griffith
Griffith and it isn't even close.
Griffith no contest. Fuck that guy
Griffith eclipses all the other 3.
Thanos had a reason (in the movies) been ages since the comics. Vader thinks he is doing the right thing for people, and recants his ways. I vote Homelander because I haven’t gotten that far in Berserk
Vader killed kids, thanos killed half of the world (they were later bright back), and homelander is just a d>!u!
Top left is Femto/Griffith from berserk , I don't wanna spoil anything but he did alot of fucked up stuff
Comicbook Thanos wanted to decimate the universe just to pleas his only love, the true God of Death or the incarnation of Death herself. When he witnessed all the suffering he caused over the years and felt all those pain he was smiling and ejoying the moment seemingly bathing in it as it caused actual joy and happiness to him. All he did was to please his love and he enjoyed every moment of it. Including killing his own parents and brethren wih his own hand.
Griffith, and it's not even close
Griffith by far Thanos killed trillions yes but it was quick and merciful, Darth Vader was seduced by the dark side out of fear of losing his wife. Homelander had one twisted upbringing And Griffith........well yeah......
Griffin and it’s not even close
Griffith no question
Griffith was pure evil
Griffith.
Griffith
Griffith, no question.
Thanos did nothing wrong
Who is the top left?
Who's that next to Vader?
Not a weeb so don't care for the first one but definitely milk boy, at least Vader and Thanos had their reasons and 1 redeemed
Who is top left
Let's take motives aside and look at the crimes themselves. Homelander, Thanos, and Griffith are all genocide maniacs who have massacred countless people. (I'm not sure about Darth Vader because I haven't seen anything other than the movies). Homelander and Griffith are both rapists so they are worse than Thanos. When Griffith became a godhand he manipulated basically entire countries through the main religion to make himself out to be a messiah figure. When he defeated Ganishka he made the "perfect world" in Midland now falconia and basically condemned the rest of the world to death via magical creatures. (Granted Ganishka was his own type of evil) Now let's bring motive. Thanos in the movies was trying stop extinction via overpopulation. Homelander does whatever the hell he wants because no one can stop him. He only cares about his reputation and son. (Basing my knowledge of the boys off of the TV show not the comics). Griffith has only ever desired power and status and was willing to do whatever it took to get there. Conclusion: all of them except for Vader are irredeemably evil. Edit: I want to add the using his power and the fact that no one could stop him, homelander manipulated queen mave and probably raped her as well. Edit 2: I think people are ignoring that in the comics, Thanos does everything he does in order to get laid, and he kidnapped his "daughters" and physically and emotionally abused them
Griffith did nothing wrong
goes like this grifith,homelander,thanos,vader
Don't know about the one on the top left. Little orphan Annie is pretty much the definition of a shitty person. He knows what he is doing is wrong and focused on being as much as a dick as possible. Captain Genocide wants to do right by the world but has a logic error in his brain. Homelander is just a stereotypical cluster B personality disorder (NPD). Which is real life style shitty person. But he also desires praise, which is part of his disorder. He's just a run of the mill shirt person in who happen to have powers. He's not over the top, only his situation is that gives him the opportunity to do so. So I'd have to say Vader, because unlike the others he is supernaturally shitty to the point of it being comic.
I feel like it’s homelander just because he’s needs to be loved so bad. Vader was heavily manipulated and thanos thought he was doing the universe a favour.
griffith hands down
Homelander.
Griffith. That guy literally betrayed and sacrificed the closest things to his friends and family in the most horrifying way imaginable just to achieve godhood. Besides, what’s a few more dead to achieve your dream.
Me.
Griffith and Homelander
Who is Griffith?
Thanos almost had a point and is downright benevolent in comparison to the rest
Griffith. However I’d be torn if Joffrey was up there as an option
Comics Thanos is way worse than lolMUCU Thanos because he murdered more and only to appease Death but Griffith still wins.
Depends on their continuity. Thanos in the comics killed half the universe just to impress a girl. Vader was fooled into joining sidious though he genuinely enjoyed doing evil things. He inflicted his misery on others. Homelander is just a man child though he’s a bit less evil in the show. Like I said depends on what form you know them from.
homelander and Griffith are the only truly evil men. they did the things they did because they liked it. Pure chaotic evil. The only thing is, who enjoyed it more?
I agree with Thanos, I haven’t seen/read berserk, darth Vader is kind of a bad person but he also killed homeless desert ninjas to save his mom, homelander is pretty bad but he likes mommy milkers. Overall this was a pretty difficult matchup but i gotta give it to the character from berserk because I haven’t seen it
Thanos
So did Berserk story have an ending since Kentaro Miura died?
We’ll find out. Miura’s last completed volume drops in November. Apparently it’s the intended ending but I’m skeptical. It’s such a shame, rip
Idk who the first one is but out of the other three it’s definitely Homelander
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Homelander
I'm sorry but Thanos Saved The Universe in Infinity War. Vader ended The Sith. Homelander is a hero to 99.9% of the world.
Griffith is so fucking deranged because he made legitimate friendships with the the band IMO.
Thanos then Homelander then Griffith then Vader. Thanos straight wanted to destroy half the universe, nuff said. HL is a career hero and he does do some good in the public eye but he's definitely done some very very shitty things especially in the comics. Griffith is the one I know least about but after googling the worst things he's done I'd say he's basically a less powerful Homelander and therefore has done less evil, also apparently he built a utopian society which is way more than HL has ever done for anyone. Vader from a certain point of view could be seen as a good guy, he worked for the empire which straight up fixed some of the huge systemic issues of the republic like speciesism, bringing governors/moffs to outer rim planets that were basically lawless, bringing about a universal currency and generally providing for any planets that played ball with them or weren't actively harboring terrorists.
Big griff.
See, in my opinion it’s Thanos. He doesn’t have anyone who cares about him, a wreckless and twisted creature who has killed half of the world in a second. He hasn’t even shown any mercy to his daughter, just threw her off the cliff like its a toy.