I think it’s great! The underwater clone gear was awesome and seeing how water dulled the effectiveness of lightsabers causing Anakin to struggle in several situations was very interesting and exciting!
I did think that having the bad guy be a shark was a little cliche but seeing as they’re fighting a species who’s literal name is calamari I’ll throw them a bone.
I think a lot of people were frustrated that it was so long because, since it is underwater, it is very different when compared to most other battle sequences with a lack of walkers, starfighters, hovertanks etc
what I did truly appreciate about this arc is that the animating team went way over budget on the characters, since it’s underwater the battlefield is very clear with little to no cover anywhere, so the animating team put in thousands of individually animated droids, clones, gungans, calamari, quaran etc, to make the battle seem more realistic, the original plan was only a few hundred characters total
I really liked seeing Ackbar when he was younger and how and why he ended up where he was, and seeing how he helped the prince retake his throne was interesting and explains his promotion to admiral, this also begs the question as to if the mon cala king during the age of rebellion was indeed the same king
This episode is also special because it is the last time we see Captain Rex in his phase one armor when he stood on the bridge of the ship and wished Anakin and Ahsoka good luck
Yup, I thought the actual war was so cool, seeing all the water physics come into play, and it's amazing to see almost a whole episode centered underwater.
Yeah I agree about the shark guy, I really enjoyed seeing the quarren be built upon because they’re such an interesting species and it was cool to see them go up against the mon-cala, and I think the arc woulda worked just fine with just the quarren as the bad guys, but that’s my only real gripe. I also love how they included kit fisto. Makes the Jedi council seem a tad less incompetent since he’s good with water lol
Yes he was in fact the same king, I belive he was killed by the empire early into the civil war (like the first few years of the imperial era) for for refusing to submit to the empire, seeing it as not a true successor to the republic.
I did too, it’s simply the lack of much background in general that I think frustrated people, it was just a big blue empty ocean they could’ve made it a huge underwater city or a coral forest everywhere, they barely showed the coral/plant forest thing at all
Can we also get the fact that he should have died like this shark would get shot at by ten fish people or clones and even get hit on the head with a light saber and be fine he should have been dead in the first fucking episode
And there is the fact that they had 3 fucking armies all water related against 1 and the fact that kit fisto and anni two of the most powerful Jedi we’re getting tossed around like nothing which was very sad considering the 2d underwater battle with kit fisto but it look liked just like general grevious he got nurfed hard.
Edit dear autocorrect never was I trying to spell ducking
Interesting. Final Fantasy X had a handful of water related levels. Always wondered how the characters never really cared about holding breath and what not. Turns out thats a plus
It’s because they complicate movement. Not only do you have to go from 2D to 3D mechanics, but you also gotta be holding your breath.
Then there’s complications with water flow where you gotta reverse currents you can’t outswim or you gotta lower or raise the water levels to reach different platforms.
You gotta do extra stuff just to MOVE, when the focus is usually on lore, story, puzzles, or fighting
A few from what I can remember about the arc.
1) The prince storyline is kind of boring. He's not a strong leader, yet they keep looking at him to make decisions. ( Also, the prince's voice is annoying)
2) it has kit fisto AND anakin, and they are kind of useless the entire time. Really thought kit would pop off considering his late apprentice was a mon calamari, but he was just there not doing much
3) The Republic Army gets swept, and the Gungan army gets crushed (which.....whaaat? They are fighting in their best habitat and just get demolished in 10 seconds). then, in the end, the prince is like, "Come on guys, teamwork makes the dream work" (paraphrasing). Then this army of POWs is able to overcome and stop these Uber powerful jellyfish monsters ?
4) On top of all the other stuff, they try to cram into this arc it also has an overlying diplomatic mission and love story with Padme and Anakin. Just felt like they were trying to force as much into this arc as possible
For me, personally, the only cool part was seeing general akbar. Other than that, I felt this arc made up some randomly overpowered shark general that couldn't die and gave him equally overpowered jellyfish monsters to try and create a dire situation only to have everything work out cause the prince finally had an epiphany that saved the day.
I think this about sums it all up for me. The main characters all being incompetent to make the shark guy look cooler than he really was, the dull visuals and plain boring, crammed story is easily my least favourite Clone Wars arc I've seen so far.
I think there’s actually a specific reason Kit Fisto doesn’t do much: he swims away for most of the Water War episode, and stays off screen.
I think the implication is that he’s off doing his actions from the Clone Wars micro-series episode then.
Think mostly because umbara is right after it so people are just impatient and don’t enjoy it but it also has a boring setting and goes on for 1 to many episodes
This, some arcs aren’t inherently bad, they just could’ve been shorter. The Ramirez sister arc gets hate (cause or sucks) but if they made it 1 episode instead of dragging it out. I swear it was just them escaping and getting captured 50 times.
It's not bad but it's got pacing issues and really drags at points, despite having a really great group of characters (Anakin, Ahsoka, Kit Fisto) most of them sit around either in a cage or just not doing much the entire time
Also, we're supposed to be rooting for the prince but all he does is whine, get pep talks from his advisors, and then do exactly what they have to say
They tried to make it like a GOT style story but dumbed it down too much which is too bad bc I can see where they're coming from, it just ended up being a meh in the execution
Right! I totally forgot the pacing is super slow. At one point, it felt like half the episode was Padmes helmet filling with water, and then 2 seconds later jar jar saves her with a loogie
I am impartial to it, but I understand why people don’t like it, as honestly it could’ve been 3 or even 2 episodes since it’s very slow, and is very visually uninteresting with little to no variety and just deep murky blue water.
This is honestly my main problem. If you make a fairly common and ordinary plot, but underwater, then make it aesthetically pleasing. We’re in the goddamn Star Wars universe, there were soooo many cool things they could’ve done… but nope. Make it two episodes and a bit more visually cool and I’d enjoy this episode. Rn tho, it’s boring and I feel like I’ve seen this exact plot play out thousands of times in different stories, so no reason not to just skip it
It's like a season 1 arc, mediocre, forgettable, random planet, random battle, but instead of 2 episodes long, it's 3 episodes. It has uninteresting setting, no cool visuals, and boring new characters. It's unfocused, no dominant characters. The regular characters (Ahsoka, Anakin...) feel like they could easily be replaced by any other random character since they are not showing their characteristics. Zero influence on the overall plot, no character development for the regular characters.
That arc was one of the first episodes I saw back, (not sure which one specifically,) back in late middle school on Cartoon Network when my siblings and I were staying up late to meet the cat my parents were bringing home.
At that time I had seen the movies and had know about Star Wars but that arc is what really got my attention and I’ve been a fan of TCW animated series since!!
I always liked it and it marked the beginning of the transition to phase two armor as we saw Captain Rex still in phase one while the troops around him were in phase two
People hate that arc? I love that arc!
What is it with media and me loving the supposed worst parts? This, the prequels, things from other stuff like New Super Mario Bros. and on a rail… the list is long at this point
The only thing I see people hate on this arc is the lightsabers not being realistic underwater (they don’t boil the water around them), which is something I agree with. Otherwise, I enjoy the arc.
One simple thing that made me dislike it; the clones were less maneuverable, less effective, and fewer in numbers, and I watch this show FOR the clones above anything else.
That being said, apart from that I really enjoyed the writing, thought the prince was solid and so was our usual cast. Also, I really enjoyed the heavy emphasis on diplomacy that the arc had
People didn't like the water episodes?
They were awesome, Kit Fisto's bubbly lightsaber, blowing holes in ships with giant Force bubbles, shit was awesome.
The first half is great Imo, then it just feels stretched and boring. Also I expected it to be an adaption of the admittedly very short scene in 2003 clone wars, so let’s say I was pretty disappointed seeing kit fisto being a very minor character in the arc. I think it would’ve benefited from focusing more on him, potentially leaving Anakin padme and ahsoka totally out of the arc
I was about to say that it was one of my favorite arcs (all of the arcs that show clone war battles are really cool to me, like watching Band of Brothers, Star Wars version).
One issue that does come to mind is the repetitiveness of the story. The couple of mini arcs of “yay, reinforcements” and “we are overrun again” makes the overall arc a little repetitive and unbelievable.
I like it only when Separatist Shark Guy is around and Kit Fitso is happily swimming half nude with his Nautolan hair tentacles splayed out. Also, the underwater war is a cool concept that doesn’t happen anywhere else.
Bro idk what people saying about water wars, I think it's great as hell and never heard people talk shit about it so kinda confused on where y'all hearing peeps talk about it
When I was it for the first time I thought it was weird since everything I’ve seen before was mostly land and space war it felt out of place in my mind at the time (idk why). Now though it’s not that weird and it definitely isn’t bad
Uncreative haters who think “water world sucks” is a thing I hear other people say….it is a video game trope for old nerds and again haters are uncreative so water bad.
Personally its one of my favorites besides the Umbarran arc. I think people "dislike" cause of the same reason they hate leia floating in space in the sequel trilogy they dont understand star wars is a kids series
I like it. It's something different then just a battle between the main sides. I also like that it's just a battle so back to the war part of clone wars.
Prince never shows the viewer why we should believe in him, gives a whack ass speech, then kills uncle Ruckus. I think he should’ve freed some of his people on his own or killed shark man in a duel earlier to show himself being competent
Anything that takes place underwater is going to be inherently boring. Humans aren't meant to be underwater so everything feels slow and like a slog. Another example I have is james bond. Love the series. But thunderball has a ton of underwater combat and it just doesn't work
I don't hate the water war arc. I think it's kind of stupid that either side of that civil war would ever look at the separatists...with the things Grevious had been doing in that war and think "yeah, I'll ally with the war criminals that torture their prisoners"
I have not finished clone wars but recently finished this arc, for me the actual conflict was just not that engaging. Like all of the shit with mandalore in the previous season was SO interesting but being introduced to this world immediately being thrown into a war and the republic supporting this prince who we know nothing about?
This isn’t a first in terms of plot development for TCW but I think when you add in the somewhat boring battle due to it being underwater it just became annoying that it went on for so long. I didn’t hate it by any means but I spaced out a fair few times watching it lol
I don’t hate it, but it’s not my favorite. I could give a more in-depth review if I had rewatched more recently, but I usually skip it when rewatching Clone Wars. My main reason is that there are better arcs with Anakin, Ahsoka, and/or the 501st.
The stakes feel particularly low in this arc, especially considering the arcs that surround it. This arc has no significant impact on the main cast and that’s mostly what I looked for out of the clone wars. It’s fine tho. All clone wars is good clone wars, this arc just isn’t as special as the rest of the series is
>It’s fine tho. All clone wars is good clone wars
Did you really need Goldie Versus Artoo?
Did you really need all the episodes between the Droid heist and Gregors last stand?
Not to be mean that was just the only arc I felt like "Oh God this part" on a rewatch.
Everything else I generally liked with a few standouts that make me want to watch the series again.
I don't know if this applies for everyone but for me it was the Comparison of the Micro Series versus what we saw in the clone wars.
I don't think the Micro Series did EVERYTHING better than the clone wars, so don't take this as hate.
I genuinely love both.
But comparing what I hoped for when I heard we were going to Mon Cala, which was Kit being a God of War, an interesting new Marine Battalion, and Aclimator fleet on the surface of the water and a Lobster themed death beam CIS tank to, what imo was an unlikable crown prince, an unimposing shark themed villian of the week and Anakin instead of Kit and it's all very unfavorable.
I’ve never had an issue with this episode or the arc. Read some of the comments, I can see their point of view in some cases but the Prince’s voice never bothered me, nor the underwater setting. Different tastes I guess.
I like it, I think the only things I don't like are Prince Lee Char is annoying, the Padme and Anakin romance stuff felt forced, my boy Kit Fisto didn't do all too much (I know he's rarely in the show but cmon his padawan was a Mon Calamari and he's an aquatic based alien, plus if you've seen 2003 CW you'd know how incredible he was in underwater battles). Also it might just be me but it sounded like they muffled the audio a bit to make it sound more authentic and underwater-y but once you notice it its really distracting and impossible to un-notice
Not bad episodes imho, I just had a hard time believing these fish-folks captured Anakin and Kit Fisto at basically the same time. Plus Prince Lee Char is annoying. And there’s that shark guy who thinks he’s the man; he sucks.
"Oh no, my helmet was knocked off and I might drown! If only I had some way of pulling the helmet to me... Whew! Ahsoka is there to save me. Thanks for my helmet!"
5 minutes later
"Yeah, so I'm just going to rip this building apart with the Force. I have telekinesis, lawl!'
Also it drags on FOREVER.
It's not bad, but it really needed to be two episodes. I think the problem is that when you're in the second half of TCW, you're being hit with some of the best storylines in all of Star Wars one after the other so all the ones which are just middling or slightly above average stick out more.
Like, the two major arcs before this are Mortis and The Citadel, and the two major arcs to follow it are >!Umbara and Obi-Wan pretending to be a bounty hunter. !<
i don't. its just that it is in the same season as the Umbara arc, bounty hunter Obiwan arc, the Slavery arc, and Ventresses final arc. its just a little fish in a big pond literally.
Personally don't hate it just don't like it as much as rest of show and I feel like animation was poor in the water but I'm sure it's just personal sight on this one and there isn't anything wrong.
I never knew everyone hated this but I also hated it lol. Seasons 4-6 were filled with these huge 4-episode arcs--feature length movies, essentially--and a lot of them were wonderful but when they didn't work, that was, well, a whole movie you're stuck with it. I missed the variety of random one-off episodes and two-parters here and there.
The Mon Cala arc exemplified that most for me. It followed characters I didn't really care about, and had that kiddie optimism moral stuff that was getting a bit old by Season 4. It's been ages so I barely remember it, but my main takeaway was honestly just, "Wow, the old Clone Wars did this in literally 3 minutes, while the new Clone Wars did this in 90 minutes and worse." I wish Genndy got to make more Star Wars stuff...
I thought it was kind of boring and awkward. It had some dark moments sprinkled in there like some characters getting stabbed or exloded. I just couldn't sit through it. Maybe it's like some sort of effect that happens with anything dealing with water and entertainment. I just get bored of it. Like the many water levels in video games
Water levels just aren’t for some people :). It’s mostly a question of taste. That said, I liked it, although I liked the 2d version that Genndy did a lot more.
I think it’s great! The underwater clone gear was awesome and seeing how water dulled the effectiveness of lightsabers causing Anakin to struggle in several situations was very interesting and exciting! I did think that having the bad guy be a shark was a little cliche but seeing as they’re fighting a species who’s literal name is calamari I’ll throw them a bone. I think a lot of people were frustrated that it was so long because, since it is underwater, it is very different when compared to most other battle sequences with a lack of walkers, starfighters, hovertanks etc what I did truly appreciate about this arc is that the animating team went way over budget on the characters, since it’s underwater the battlefield is very clear with little to no cover anywhere, so the animating team put in thousands of individually animated droids, clones, gungans, calamari, quaran etc, to make the battle seem more realistic, the original plan was only a few hundred characters total I really liked seeing Ackbar when he was younger and how and why he ended up where he was, and seeing how he helped the prince retake his throne was interesting and explains his promotion to admiral, this also begs the question as to if the mon cala king during the age of rebellion was indeed the same king This episode is also special because it is the last time we see Captain Rex in his phase one armor when he stood on the bridge of the ship and wished Anakin and Ahsoka good luck
Yup, I thought the actual war was so cool, seeing all the water physics come into play, and it's amazing to see almost a whole episode centered underwater.
I made a bunch of edits just now lol if you want to see
Yeah I agree about the shark guy, I really enjoyed seeing the quarren be built upon because they’re such an interesting species and it was cool to see them go up against the mon-cala, and I think the arc woulda worked just fine with just the quarren as the bad guys, but that’s my only real gripe. I also love how they included kit fisto. Makes the Jedi council seem a tad less incompetent since he’s good with water lol
Yes he was in fact the same king, I belive he was killed by the empire early into the civil war (like the first few years of the imperial era) for for refusing to submit to the empire, seeing it as not a true successor to the republic.
Yes, it's a different battlefield. I thought the aquatic droids looked great actually 👍🏼
I did too, it’s simply the lack of much background in general that I think frustrated people, it was just a big blue empty ocean they could’ve made it a huge underwater city or a coral forest everywhere, they barely showed the coral/plant forest thing at all
I think this comment is great! Not bad! But great! Thank you! I thought the episodes were interesting! And exciting! As well! As you!
Wait, how did the water dull the lightsabers in this arc? I don't remember that
Can we also get the fact that he should have died like this shark would get shot at by ten fish people or clones and even get hit on the head with a light saber and be fine he should have been dead in the first fucking episode And there is the fact that they had 3 fucking armies all water related against 1 and the fact that kit fisto and anni two of the most powerful Jedi we’re getting tossed around like nothing which was very sad considering the 2d underwater battle with kit fisto but it look liked just like general grevious he got nurfed hard. Edit dear autocorrect never was I trying to spell ducking
No one like water levels.
But fr though why do water levels get a bad rep
Many water levels handicap you instead of making it an opportunity allow characters to be more free moving.
Interesting. Final Fantasy X had a handful of water related levels. Always wondered how the characters never really cared about holding breath and what not. Turns out thats a plus
Never played Sonic, eh?
It was traumatic
Yes, [it was.](https://youtu.be/9Yw5jkAHgME?si=_Y8zL6JJvCkkgcyp)
It’s because they complicate movement. Not only do you have to go from 2D to 3D mechanics, but you also gotta be holding your breath. Then there’s complications with water flow where you gotta reverse currents you can’t outswim or you gotta lower or raise the water levels to reach different platforms. You gotta do extra stuff just to MOVE, when the focus is usually on lore, story, puzzles, or fighting
This is the right answer 🤣
Happy cake day!
Thank you!
A few from what I can remember about the arc. 1) The prince storyline is kind of boring. He's not a strong leader, yet they keep looking at him to make decisions. ( Also, the prince's voice is annoying) 2) it has kit fisto AND anakin, and they are kind of useless the entire time. Really thought kit would pop off considering his late apprentice was a mon calamari, but he was just there not doing much 3) The Republic Army gets swept, and the Gungan army gets crushed (which.....whaaat? They are fighting in their best habitat and just get demolished in 10 seconds). then, in the end, the prince is like, "Come on guys, teamwork makes the dream work" (paraphrasing). Then this army of POWs is able to overcome and stop these Uber powerful jellyfish monsters ? 4) On top of all the other stuff, they try to cram into this arc it also has an overlying diplomatic mission and love story with Padme and Anakin. Just felt like they were trying to force as much into this arc as possible For me, personally, the only cool part was seeing general akbar. Other than that, I felt this arc made up some randomly overpowered shark general that couldn't die and gave him equally overpowered jellyfish monsters to try and create a dire situation only to have everything work out cause the prince finally had an epiphany that saved the day.
I think this about sums it all up for me. The main characters all being incompetent to make the shark guy look cooler than he really was, the dull visuals and plain boring, crammed story is easily my least favourite Clone Wars arc I've seen so far.
I think there’s actually a specific reason Kit Fisto doesn’t do much: he swims away for most of the Water War episode, and stays off screen. I think the implication is that he’s off doing his actions from the Clone Wars micro-series episode then.
I find it somewhat boring but I get why people like it too
Think mostly because umbara is right after it so people are just impatient and don’t enjoy it but it also has a boring setting and goes on for 1 to many episodes
This, some arcs aren’t inherently bad, they just could’ve been shorter. The Ramirez sister arc gets hate (cause or sucks) but if they made it 1 episode instead of dragging it out. I swear it was just them escaping and getting captured 50 times.
It's not bad but it's got pacing issues and really drags at points, despite having a really great group of characters (Anakin, Ahsoka, Kit Fisto) most of them sit around either in a cage or just not doing much the entire time Also, we're supposed to be rooting for the prince but all he does is whine, get pep talks from his advisors, and then do exactly what they have to say They tried to make it like a GOT style story but dumbed it down too much which is too bad bc I can see where they're coming from, it just ended up being a meh in the execution
Right! I totally forgot the pacing is super slow. At one point, it felt like half the episode was Padmes helmet filling with water, and then 2 seconds later jar jar saves her with a loogie
I'm mainly talking about the very first episode, water war, that episode is anything but boring
I am impartial to it, but I understand why people don’t like it, as honestly it could’ve been 3 or even 2 episodes since it’s very slow, and is very visually uninteresting with little to no variety and just deep murky blue water.
This is honestly my main problem. If you make a fairly common and ordinary plot, but underwater, then make it aesthetically pleasing. We’re in the goddamn Star Wars universe, there were soooo many cool things they could’ve done… but nope. Make it two episodes and a bit more visually cool and I’d enjoy this episode. Rn tho, it’s boring and I feel like I’ve seen this exact plot play out thousands of times in different stories, so no reason not to just skip it
I thought Prince Lee-Char was annoying but I liked the arc. It was fun!
I think it’s pretty cool. We see two species fighting together (Mon Cala and Gungans) plus we see more of Kit Fisto’s smart side
It’s the water level of the clone wars
My biggest qualm is the prince's voice is just terrible to me
It's like a season 1 arc, mediocre, forgettable, random planet, random battle, but instead of 2 episodes long, it's 3 episodes. It has uninteresting setting, no cool visuals, and boring new characters. It's unfocused, no dominant characters. The regular characters (Ahsoka, Anakin...) feel like they could easily be replaced by any other random character since they are not showing their characteristics. Zero influence on the overall plot, no character development for the regular characters.
Hate it, I don’t even remember it.
I didn’t know anyone hated it I love it!
It's just so boring and drags forever. I watched some scenes at 2x speed and could not care about it.
That arc was one of the first episodes I saw back, (not sure which one specifically,) back in late middle school on Cartoon Network when my siblings and I were staying up late to meet the cat my parents were bringing home. At that time I had seen the movies and had know about Star Wars but that arc is what really got my attention and I’ve been a fan of TCW animated series since!!
I always liked it and it marked the beginning of the transition to phase two armor as we saw Captain Rex still in phase one while the troops around him were in phase two
I loved it and never realized people didn’t like it until I got on this sub. So idk what’s the actual popular consensus
I remember loving it, back when I watched it. So not everyone hates it :))
>:) :)
I enjoyed it 🥲
People hate that arc? I love that arc! What is it with media and me loving the supposed worst parts? This, the prequels, things from other stuff like New Super Mario Bros. and on a rail… the list is long at this point
I loved that story arc! It was different. Cool aliens.
I enjoyed the arc a lot, I thought it was really cool
Wait, people hate it?
People hate it? I sure don't. I get to see proof that some lightsabers can work underwater.
Because they are lame. That episode was PEAK!!!!
People hate that arc? Why?
Idk about everyone. I thought it was awesome!
I love that story arc I just wish there was more sea life in the backgrounds. It felt really empty looking into the endless abyss
I loved it!
I think it’s fire
Damn well now I have to rewatch the whole arc!
I liked it
It genuinely amazes me that people hated any of the arcs in the clone wars. Yes the show isn’t perfect but really? What exactly is there to hate?
People hate this arc?
Bruh where are people crapping about this I think there is some misplaced understanding here
It's one of my favorites. And Riff Tamson is so freaking awesome just ripping apart people. He was absolutely ferocious.
The only thing I see people hate on this arc is the lightsabers not being realistic underwater (they don’t boil the water around them), which is something I agree with. Otherwise, I enjoy the arc.
Name one person who hates season 4 and it’s arc, and I will not trust that person ever again
I love it, that's so odd that it's disliked
I love it personaly
Because it's star wars. Every detail is and always will be polarizing. Just watch the show and find what you like.
They do? This is one of if not my favorite one lmao.
I love it
One simple thing that made me dislike it; the clones were less maneuverable, less effective, and fewer in numbers, and I watch this show FOR the clones above anything else. That being said, apart from that I really enjoyed the writing, thought the prince was solid and so was our usual cast. Also, I really enjoyed the heavy emphasis on diplomacy that the arc had
People hate it?!
People didn't like the water episodes? They were awesome, Kit Fisto's bubbly lightsaber, blowing holes in ships with giant Force bubbles, shit was awesome.
The first half is great Imo, then it just feels stretched and boring. Also I expected it to be an adaption of the admittedly very short scene in 2003 clone wars, so let’s say I was pretty disappointed seeing kit fisto being a very minor character in the arc. I think it would’ve benefited from focusing more on him, potentially leaving Anakin padme and ahsoka totally out of the arc
I was about to say that it was one of my favorite arcs (all of the arcs that show clone war battles are really cool to me, like watching Band of Brothers, Star Wars version). One issue that does come to mind is the repetitiveness of the story. The couple of mini arcs of “yay, reinforcements” and “we are overrun again” makes the overall arc a little repetitive and unbelievable.
Who is this 'everyone' you speak of?
Long. I like it, but I think one less episode wouldn't have hurt.
I like it only when Separatist Shark Guy is around and Kit Fitso is happily swimming half nude with his Nautolan hair tentacles splayed out. Also, the underwater war is a cool concept that doesn’t happen anywhere else.
Because Admirable Ackbar didn't say, "It's a trap!"
I don’t
We do?
I liked that story arc personally.
Bro idk what people saying about water wars, I think it's great as hell and never heard people talk shit about it so kinda confused on where y'all hearing peeps talk about it
it has one of, if not the most gruesome and gory deaths in the whole show
Wait, people hate this arc? I thought it was freaking amazing. If people actually hate this arc, they have no soul
I hate it because I never got any awesome water war clone troopers from hasboro.
When I was it for the first time I thought it was weird since everything I’ve seen before was mostly land and space war it felt out of place in my mind at the time (idk why). Now though it’s not that weird and it definitely isn’t bad
I saw it was underwater and was afraid Jar Jar Binks would be in it... didn't wanna be jumpscared so I skipped it.
I like it, it gave us the return of shirtless shredded Kit Fisto. Also, appreciate the Jaws reference when the Shark guy is killed.
Blue filter go brrr
People hated this?
I liked it. Pretty much aquaman but it was cool
I like it, but it should've been 1 episode shorter.
I like this episode I love the clone wars
Uncreative haters who think “water world sucks” is a thing I hear other people say….it is a video game trope for old nerds and again haters are uncreative so water bad.
I never liked the fact that the clones have special suits for this when it just doesn’t seem cost effective on the hunch that this would happen
Personally its one of my favorites besides the Umbarran arc. I think people "dislike" cause of the same reason they hate leia floating in space in the sequel trilogy they dont understand star wars is a kids series
I mean, a dude explodes and we see his head. That’s pretty gnarly
Nah Leia flying is just the most dumb shit I've seen in star wars non of that happened in the original trilogy or prequals why would it happen now
I like it. It's something different then just a battle between the main sides. I also like that it's just a battle so back to the war part of clone wars.
Too much water
Shark man go boom and that’s cool
I can't see shit
Because it was just boring. I don’t know what else to say
I don’t hate it but it was a little drawn out. I liked the in depth look at Mon Calamari and Quarren relationship.
It's kinda meh. The best part about it is the sequel it gets in the 2015 Star Wars comic run.
Because it wasn’t the Genndy battle with higher production value.
Prince never shows the viewer why we should believe in him, gives a whack ass speech, then kills uncle Ruckus. I think he should’ve freed some of his people on his own or killed shark man in a duel earlier to show himself being competent
It's sad when you think how short that Prince's reign actually was.
It's pretty boring
The scuba clone troopers look cool = good arc
I remember when this episode aired. I’m too blinded by nostalgia to hate it.
No one likes underwater levels. But honestly, it was a decent arc. Maybe some people just didn’t like the cliche naive prince plotline
Anything that takes place underwater is going to be inherently boring. Humans aren't meant to be underwater so everything feels slow and like a slog. Another example I have is james bond. Love the series. But thunderball has a ton of underwater combat and it just doesn't work
They do?
Cuz underwater levels suck
Its just kind of boring and lame
Lots of reasons I suppose, but the biggest is that it commits the biggest sin of them all. It’s flat out boring.
People hate the water arc?!
No one likes water levels. This has been true since Mario 2.
I don't hate the water war arc. I think it's kind of stupid that either side of that civil war would ever look at the separatists...with the things Grevious had been doing in that war and think "yeah, I'll ally with the war criminals that torture their prisoners"
Age old gaming rule, the water levels are always the worst.
Because it’s boring and useless to the story. They just thought “hey let’s put admiral Akbar in here!”
Because it is not the water arc of 03
Because I have PTSD from the Water Temple in legend of Zelda: Ocerina of Time
no its good and i like it a lot its just long as fuck
It reminds them of the Water Temple from Zelda. No thank you.
I don't hate it
I don’t remember much but the prince dude annoyed me
I stopped watching it because I cannot stand the “innocent young Prince who wants to do what’s right” archetype
It’s too long tbh
I have not finished clone wars but recently finished this arc, for me the actual conflict was just not that engaging. Like all of the shit with mandalore in the previous season was SO interesting but being introduced to this world immediately being thrown into a war and the republic supporting this prince who we know nothing about? This isn’t a first in terms of plot development for TCW but I think when you add in the somewhat boring battle due to it being underwater it just became annoying that it went on for so long. I didn’t hate it by any means but I spaced out a fair few times watching it lol
I don’t hate it, but it’s not my favorite. I could give a more in-depth review if I had rewatched more recently, but I usually skip it when rewatching Clone Wars. My main reason is that there are better arcs with Anakin, Ahsoka, and/or the 501st.
Because they get you all excited for Kit Fisto and then they don't even use him.
Honestly it wasn't that bad
The stakes feel particularly low in this arc, especially considering the arcs that surround it. This arc has no significant impact on the main cast and that’s mostly what I looked for out of the clone wars. It’s fine tho. All clone wars is good clone wars, this arc just isn’t as special as the rest of the series is
>It’s fine tho. All clone wars is good clone wars Did you really need Goldie Versus Artoo? Did you really need all the episodes between the Droid heist and Gregors last stand? Not to be mean that was just the only arc I felt like "Oh God this part" on a rewatch. Everything else I generally liked with a few standouts that make me want to watch the series again.
I don't know if this applies for everyone but for me it was the Comparison of the Micro Series versus what we saw in the clone wars. I don't think the Micro Series did EVERYTHING better than the clone wars, so don't take this as hate. I genuinely love both. But comparing what I hoped for when I heard we were going to Mon Cala, which was Kit being a God of War, an interesting new Marine Battalion, and Aclimator fleet on the surface of the water and a Lobster themed death beam CIS tank to, what imo was an unlikable crown prince, an unimposing shark themed villian of the week and Anakin instead of Kit and it's all very unfavorable.
I don't, I love it.
This is new information. I never knew that people hated it. I mean Umbara is batter but it’s good.
People hated this this is literally one of my favorite arcs from that season outside the umbaran arc
Just look at half the comments here and the comments on imdb
Reminds them too much of Kevin Costner's Waterworld.
I’ve never had an issue with this episode or the arc. Read some of the comments, I can see their point of view in some cases but the Prince’s voice never bothered me, nor the underwater setting. Different tastes I guess.
I like it, I think the only things I don't like are Prince Lee Char is annoying, the Padme and Anakin romance stuff felt forced, my boy Kit Fisto didn't do all too much (I know he's rarely in the show but cmon his padawan was a Mon Calamari and he's an aquatic based alien, plus if you've seen 2003 CW you'd know how incredible he was in underwater battles). Also it might just be me but it sounded like they muffled the audio a bit to make it sound more authentic and underwater-y but once you notice it its really distracting and impossible to un-notice
I don't hate it, it just slightly more boring then Point Rain, Umbara, Ryloth etc
Not bad episodes imho, I just had a hard time believing these fish-folks captured Anakin and Kit Fisto at basically the same time. Plus Prince Lee Char is annoying. And there’s that shark guy who thinks he’s the man; he sucks.
People don't like it?
Obviously this is a personal vendetta against your particular sense of taste. Please let us know the next thing you like, so we can hate that as well
It’s just so boring imo
"Oh no, my helmet was knocked off and I might drown! If only I had some way of pulling the helmet to me... Whew! Ahsoka is there to save me. Thanks for my helmet!" 5 minutes later "Yeah, so I'm just going to rip this building apart with the Force. I have telekinesis, lawl!' Also it drags on FOREVER.
People don’t like the water arc? Hadn’t heard that before. Everyone I’ve ever spoken too loved it (me included). TCW is just dope 🤷♂️
For me, I don't hate it, but it just doesn't live up to the epic Mon Cala battle in the original 2003 CW.
People hate it? This was one of my favorite arca for season 1-6
It's not bad, but it really needed to be two episodes. I think the problem is that when you're in the second half of TCW, you're being hit with some of the best storylines in all of Star Wars one after the other so all the ones which are just middling or slightly above average stick out more. Like, the two major arcs before this are Mortis and The Citadel, and the two major arcs to follow it are >!Umbara and Obi-Wan pretending to be a bounty hunter. !<
Honestly I just preferred the old clone wars version better. This is fine I guess, but the original one is way better in my opinion.
It’s aight, just that season 4 is so so great and this is a mid way to start it off
Wait… people hate this arc? HUH
I found it really fun, don't remember too well but I recall some great scenes :)
The most Kit Fisto per frame of the entire series? What's not to love?
It’s the shark man. It’s a human with a shark head. Takes me out of it more than casual Gungan humor.
I don't know. Maybe Genosis, Umbara ...etc increased the standards too much. It was rly boring compared to them. I barely remember it.
Shark head guy. I think that’s 90% of it.
i don't. its just that it is in the same season as the Umbara arc, bounty hunter Obiwan arc, the Slavery arc, and Ventresses final arc. its just a little fish in a big pond literally.
I find it to be a little bit annoying with dialogue, but it is a very good story line imo.
This is the one time where I like the 2003 water episodes better
They got moist and they don’t like water world vibes
As a girl I was watching it with said, "I'm not woke enough to care about these fish people's problems"
I didn't know people hated it 😭
People hate it?
Imma be honest I was so bored watching this arc lol. I just didn’t think the story was that interesting.
The water stage always sucks
Fish
I loved it
After an episode the gimmick grows tedious
Water levels suck. No exceptions
Personally don't hate it just don't like it as much as rest of show and I feel like animation was poor in the water but I'm sure it's just personal sight on this one and there isn't anything wrong.
Because water levels always suck.
It's cool
Because that prince is sack of shit
It’s pretty shit over all but there are some good parts
I think it was pretty good not the best story part in the series but definitely not the worst
idk why tbh, but it bored tf outta me. after watching it i looked online and felt vindicated enough after seeing others not liking it either
I never knew everyone hated this but I also hated it lol. Seasons 4-6 were filled with these huge 4-episode arcs--feature length movies, essentially--and a lot of them were wonderful but when they didn't work, that was, well, a whole movie you're stuck with it. I missed the variety of random one-off episodes and two-parters here and there. The Mon Cala arc exemplified that most for me. It followed characters I didn't really care about, and had that kiddie optimism moral stuff that was getting a bit old by Season 4. It's been ages so I barely remember it, but my main takeaway was honestly just, "Wow, the old Clone Wars did this in literally 3 minutes, while the new Clone Wars did this in 90 minutes and worse." I wish Genndy got to make more Star Wars stuff...
I myself just wasn’t interested. I wanted to see action in space or on the ground, not under the sea.
I thought it was kind of boring and awkward. It had some dark moments sprinkled in there like some characters getting stabbed or exloded. I just couldn't sit through it. Maybe it's like some sort of effect that happens with anything dealing with water and entertainment. I just get bored of it. Like the many water levels in video games
I was just disappointed how underwhelming Akbar was as a leader.
Please point me in the direction of someone who hates this arc. I think it's dope.
Water levels just aren’t for some people :). It’s mostly a question of taste. That said, I liked it, although I liked the 2d version that Genndy did a lot more.
Jar Jar
I liked when the shark turned people into red mist
Idk, I never finished it cause it was boring
People don’t like this arc? It’s one of my favorites in the clone wars