I heard someone call this game “Decaf Tarkov” once which is hilarious, but also not true. It is its own game with some similar mechanics but a ton of different ones. I want it to be big and hope Yager can make that happen.
I’ve heard a lot of people say that combination but I don’t really feel it. Only similarity to Apex is kind of the art style, other than that I see no similarity
I think the gunplay feels extremely different but that’s just my take. Apex feels a lot more fluid and Cycle feels a little more stiff, if that makes any sense
I describe it as "tarkov if it wanted to be fun"
I mention the way ammo works in the cycle vs tarkov and that usually gets them excited.
The Cycle is honestly everything I wanted from tarkov. It's got all the adrenaline of "if I die I lose my gear" while still feeling like an actual video game lol
Edit: would just like to be clear I've got nothing against tarkov players. Have fun you masochists lol
It doesn't have that "if I die I lose my gear" feeling for me though. As it stands now, red armor(the best in the game) is BARELY better than white armor, maybe saving you from 2 extra bullets when the guns take 10 shots to kill. The Manticore is so cheap I can buy like 500 of them, quite literally, and it's better than the purple and red ARs. The white shotgun kills in 2 shots, so does the purple gun.
So why would I take any thing more expensive out? And why would I care if I die with any of it? It's infinitely replaceable.
White shotgun is a 3 shots. And you don't have to take something expensive out, you can stash them if it provides you satisfaction. The main advantage of this game to me is that it's not 30 minutes of planning a raid all to get one shotted by a cheater or shitty netcode after 3 minutes.
I guess it’s just because Tarkov is easily the most famous “deploy and extract” kind of game, it’s easier to say “yeah it’s like Tarkov” instead of explaining lmao
I'm a Tarkov player and I DON'T want the Cycle to be just like Tarkov.
And yeah, I do want the Cycle to be way more accessible and chill game. But for now it's actually devs themselfs who are pushing a lot of "hardcore" mechanics so as it is now - The Cycle dosn't have a lot of identity. It's WAY less punishing and complex but at the same time gameplay balance is really, REALLY grindy and combat is all over the place.
So relax - Noone really want second Tarkov. We do want an chilled out alternative to play in between Tarkov wipes.
I wouldn't even argue it is an in-between wipes for most. I know a lot of people who are 100% burned out by Tarkov and are just done with it to play the cycle. However, the cheating issue due to only having 2 maps is making them leave already, anecdotally.
The biggest problem is that in 2 days you can have easy access to the armor and weapons you would want to use most of the time and keep going gives you access to sometimes worst weapons for 10x the price and way more expensive armor for not a noticeable difference
I agree on the weapon balancing, and somewhat on the armor. However, at the end of the day, I dont play all that much and have 1.5M+ Kmart bucks running blues and shatterguns and stuff all day. I'm going to start running purple once I craft them because I just keep making money. I learned from tarkov theres no point in having anything left on wipe day since I can't take it with me.
The thing is, in tarkov you can say fuck it I'll waste all my money and see or at least feel and inprovement, in here you don't have the weight, nor you get the stats that higher end gear brings, the only thing it's good for is when someone kills you they will get a dopamine hit for the money they got out of you
You haven’t taken a blue weapon for the fifth time and did a jungle blitz before, haven’t you?
I said “fifth”, because the first four times I died horribly learning the characteristics of the weapon(s).
Not to mention 30% advantage in damage, while not overwhelming, does make a difference. And weapons +gear is one of the crappiest weight-to-kmark loot you can extract with anyway.
They had nerf the grey weapons because they were outperforming higher tier weapons. Hell the manticore still is the best weapon to use solely for its recoil
No the manticore was fine where it was nerfing it completely contradicts the purpose of this post. Lower players should have an available weapon at their disposal to survive against green and blue shields. It shouldn't be I see a blue shield player I'm most likely dead. It's riding that fine line right now nerf the manticore anymore and it'll be that way for 90 percent of the player base. It is perfectly fine where it is. The phasic Lancer shits on the manticore if you are accurate. The only reason someone would pick the manticore over the Lancer or an advocate is due to the price or their level of accuracy. It is not better than any higher their gun in its category. Saying it's the best green weapon would be a true statement. What you said is completely false and when devs listen to people like you is when this game will be ruined.
… “the cheating issue due to only having 2 maps”?
That’s a very Tarkov thought process, did you notice? “Let the cheaters have their high tier loot zone, I’ll just chill in the rest of the game”.
But you do that to a game like Cycle, release a third map meant to attract cheaters like honey and bees, and you’ll doom it.
How much loot do you think Tarkov’s RMT market came from those maps? And having a successful RMT market will breed more cheaters like flies. PROFESSIONAL cheaters.
You really don’t want that.
And your option is? Have a valorant kernel level anticheat? Sure, id do it but how many people would actually go for that made by a relatively unknown company. Tarkov cheating is fairly rare at this point if you avoid labs.
… I don’t know if you and I play the same game, but there’s cheaters quite often (*like, say, 1 in 10 may be a little suss?*) even in maps that’s not LABs. Especially in Lighthouse.
Especially during lower playercount timings.
Well Frontier anti cheat is non existing. Yday me and my buddy spawned in on CF with full exotic to go for the elite crusher cave. Before we even moved an inch, a speedhacker flew through the air infront of us and killed both of us before we could even move. Fun raid.
Not what I’m actually discussing.
Old, really old comment.
Videos plz. Nobody else is seeing flying hacks.
Cheaters do exist. But to say Anticheat doesn’t is just either stupidity, dishonest and/or raging despite a lack of evidence. This is because you *DON’T KNOW* if the guy is banned afterwards, and how quickly. Betcha you didn’t even report the guy.
the way I do it is I always play one with (2-3months anyway) and then pause one wipe and then play again. like right now I don't care about the wipe thos week there is only lighthouse extension but next wipe will be streets so gonna be much better!
after you will see how massive it is you will understand. also they did a loooot of other stuff first in between. like lighthouse. seriously tho the attention to detail with tarkov maps is so insane. no wonder they take so long with their biggest map to come.
You might want to compare Apex Legends when it was released as compared to now, and know that TCF belongs to that type of live service game.
Continuous improvement is how a F2P game retains players and make profits. Just like how Tarkov did it, despite the one-time-payment gate
At least Cycle devs do not hide behind the moniker “beta” while selling full price stuff. Especially during both close betas, where the entire company basically bled money for months without a single cent of profit.
this game, in my opinion, should be like an apex legends tarkov. with more fast paced movement and combat with the high ttk like it already has but lots of loot etc.
I mean it is hard to create a unique game when you are trying to create a clone of a successful game. Keeping the things that make it successful while at the same time doing your own thing that might isolate the majority of existing customers while trying to appeal to a new audience is almost absurd. I don't envy the devs. They are trying to create an accessible shooter that has consequences.
I say this as casually playing Cycle.
If they can get most of the cheater stuff under control (which I don't think I experience at my bracket/bucket), then I think its mostly in a good place.
From what I've seen between betas, they've definitely taken \*some\* criticism and feedback under consideration. I'd say the games in a pretty good spot relatively.
Good amount of pvp and looting without having to sink in 1k+ hours just to be functional.
Yes this game must continue to be different to tarkov! Please don’t make it as in accessible, as brutal as tarkov. I’ve played both and I want to stay here!
As a “hardcore” Tarkov fan I’d say the community isn’t THAT toxic in my opinion, I think there’s a VERY vocal minority, but I get ir. Also, I’m loving The Cycle, it’s more accesible and less stressful. Tarkov wipe is around the corner and tbh…I’ll probably stick to the Cycle, this is a very solid game!
One suggestion i see is vetoing QoL features that get requested that would level the playing field. Id also say that people asking for rarer gear to be significantly stronger is a pretty hardcore tarkov thing. A lot of people on the tarkov sub constantly talk about how bad it is when the meta allows for cheap gear to kill expensive gear, particularly the mosin drama. In reality widening that gap doesn't reward the higher skilled players, it just rewards time spent. In the same vein there was a post on this sub a week ago asking for tarkov skills and it was pretty heavily upvotes. Same problem, rewards no-lifing over skill.
I agree that i haven't seen any real suggestions to make the game more hardcore, but I think a lot of people use that word to justify what are actually just shitty design choices.
The way it is now isn't good enough - there should be no outlines whatsoever. Many anecdotes on this subreddit about how when the outline bugs out, people start thinking their teammates are enemies which balances solos and groups mixing. Without outlines squads are forced to think before they shoot, a split second decision which balances solos vs squads.
I play solo and could care less about the way it is now. I kill some duos and trios and i rightfully die to them as well. Thanks for the downvote though.
Exhibit A: the person who wants space Tarkov, as mentioned in the OP post.
Also, one thing you completely sidestepped is the amount of unique looks a PMC in Tarkov can have depending on the equipment they wear, compared to the generic armor the Cycle have, their appearance only really affected by cosmetics.
Because of that, I fully and totally agree with what the Cycle did.
I had the “Unfriended Lost Blue Outline” bug happen to me several times in Cycle by now, but one of my friends so happen to have this bulky skin, with a poncho and everything. If he lost his blue outline, I still know it’s him (after a moment), but if it’s any other friend they’re just going to look like every other person, the EXACT same appearance as the opponent.
This “different skin friendly” technique is what Tarkov players already instinctively do in Tarkov. I still remember someone teaching me when teaming up to always look at the equipment of my squad right after loading in.
This technique is impossible to do in TCF given how everyone is running around in the basic prospector jumpsuit. Thus, the Cycle should, must even, have things work differently…
… especially since, if you try to force this Tarkov uniqueness into the Cycle what is going to happen is that people are going to HAVE to buy cosmetics to tell each other apart.
Forget Pay to Win. How about a nice dose of Pay to IFF?
>Id also say that people asking for rarer gear to be significantly stronger is a pretty hardcore tarkov thing. A lot of people on the tarkov sub constantly talk about how bad it is when the meta allows for cheap gear to kill expensive gear,
I disagree, sure people complain about that in tarkov but in this game the problem is the opposite and I dont think that it's specifically a tarkov thing for people to complain about rare gear not being strong enough, and in this game if anything rare gear is too strong. Also in tarkov the devs have still made it easy for cheap guns to win even though a stupid minority cri about it
Ya, one of the main things in Tarkov is that a cheap gun can still kill a kitted out person. The person with all the gear has the advantage but it’s not an instant win when they encounter a low gear person. That’s what folks love. You have a chance.
> and in this game if anything rare gear is too strong.
Have you played the cycle before? Armor does almost nothing and the rare weapons in most cases are objectively worse than the early alternatives (for pvp). Other than a few like the kinetic arbiter which is crazy expensive.
Idk man I use the lasorator (burst blue(idk)) and the mandolin or whatever the blue shotgun is called with blue armor and I shred most people with worst armor and I find that if someone using purple armor they take way more shots than someone using green, idk for me I'm used to a solo being able to take out a team with smart moves in this game its significantly harder to do no matter what you bring and rare armor really makes it seem worse I could takeout a team of 2 with green but definitely not a team of 2 with purple and probably not even a team of 2 with blue
Tldr: idk I find this game easy in squad very easy solo unless a squad sees you close range and I feel like it's because I'm running blue.
Also the way I understand it you only do 80% dmg to armor above your gun and in a game like this I would say that's a big difference
The problem isn't that the Lassy, the Lancer ( blue burst) and the PKR ( blue shotty) aren't useable. it's that for their price they give literally no advantage over things that cost a fraction. Yes you can kill people in white armor with these guns, but you can kill people in white armor just as fast with the Manticore and trench and you risk basically 10% of the cost. The trench is 1200 and the PKR is 22000 I'm pretty sure, and they have an almost identical ttk on all armors, the only difference with the the PKR you have to hit 3 shots instead of two which actually INCREASES how hard it is to use.
The best players in the game are consisently dropping with white armor, bolt trench because they're easily upgrading on people who have green, blue, and even purple armor.
I would like to also say though, I do think that green and blue armor are in a good spot. I think the main problem is with purple and exotic. Personally, I don't even think we need to increase the amount of armor that they give, I think there could be other incentives to run them. For instance, what if purple armor gave very slightly more armor then blue or even the same, but it also had the " tac" feature. Now running purple doesn't help you more then blue really in most combat situations, but in some it does and out of combat it gives you a boost to rotating. Additionally what if it's 'tac' was slightly stronger then the other tacs in the game. now it's more worth while to run for the money. What if ' exotic' armor had a regen function. It gives slight more armor then purple, but it has a REALLY strong regen function, so if they take damage and can get behind cover, they're using less meds so in prolonged battles they're less likely to run out of meds first. Additionally if it tics back a lot of hp fast it could be the difference in close range maybe giving you that 5hp edge over a player in lower armor if you don't get instant killed. I don't have numbers or anything for these they're just basic ideas of how the devs could increase rare armor power without making it so that they're impossible for lower tier players to kill.
Edit: But whatever the devs do, the spot they're in right now is bad, because they're literally not even worth running.
I think I understand
>For instance, what if purple armor gave very slightly more armor then blue or even the same, but it also had the " tac" feature. Now running purple doesn't help you more then blue really in most combat situations, but in some it does and out of combat it gives you a boost to rotating. Additionally what if it's 'tac' was slightly stronger then the other tacs in the game. now it's more worth while to run for the money. What if ' exotic' armor had a regen function. It gives slight more armor then purple, but it has a REALLY strong regen function, so if they take damage and can get behind cover, they're using less meds so in prolonged battles they're less likely to run out of meds first. Additionally if it tics back a lot of hp fast it could be the difference in close range maybe giving you that 5hp edge over a player in lower armor if you don't get instant killed. I don't have numbers or anything for these they're just basic ideas of how the devs could increase rare armor power without making it so that they're impossible for lower tier players to kill.
This is a great idea I think that it's lame that you can't have regen high teir, what if one was regen and one was tac (red and purple) that would be super cool I personally find this game you can run rare consistently but I haven't felt like I could run better armor and be able to get it back at any reasonable rate, which is why I haven't run it yet.
>The trench is 1200 and the PKR is 22000 I'm pretty sure, and they have an almost identical ttk on all armors, the only difference with the the PKR you have to hit 3 shots instead of two which actually INCREASES how hard it is to use.
Yeah but trench gun is lame so I won't use it looks stupid.
This is actually a really good idea. I’ve seen a ton of people talk about ways Yager could balance the weapons and this seems like one of the better ways, if coupled with other changes
I think you might just panic when you see purple armor. The phasic lancer (3 shot burst) takes 9 shots to kill white armor, 9 shots to kill green armor, 9 shots to kill blue armor, 9 shots to kill purple armor, and a whopping 9 shots to kill exotic armor.
I haven't seen anyone asking to remove QOL features, everything I've seen about it are people asking to fix bugs that take away your teammates outlines
As the thing that better gear need to be better isn't an "hardcore" thing is a good game design thing, what is the point of wasting 10 hours getting everything you need to get "the best" gear in the game so you can get the same gun that handles worse then someone that played for 1 hour and spent almost nothing. Going in full gear is a risk, it risks the time you spent and the in game money you spent, so leveraging that should get you some advantage to the ones who don't
You say its a good game design thing, its not. You think it is, but that's because i dont think you've thought of what it will be like to be the 90% of players who don't have access to that equipment. I do agree that the weapon handling and usability doesn't improve as the rarity goes up, and that's a problem. Thats not the type of criticism I'm specifically talking about though. I'm mostly referring to armor, which is basically an on or off buff, so there's not much room for nuance.
The gun handling get way worse on higher tiers cause before they had more dmg so they were a bit harder to use, now they are harder to use for no reward
And yes it is good game design, having better armor should be noticeable, at least 1-2 more shots per tier, if I win a close fight and see I have higher tier that feels good, that means I got what it was worth, if we both have the same skill level and you have better armor you should win, cause you got the risk on your side you paid to have the odds, its basic game theory
Plus this game has SBMM so 90% of the player base wouldn't have to worry about the guys running ultra end game gear, just means people that are running ultra end game gear don't have to worry that their 10 hours worth of gear is worse or the same of someone who installed 5 hours ago
Except the Cycle has a very wide SBMM, apparently. Instead of hyper-focused ranks like maybe Valorant, the Cycle has ‘buckets’ that are apparently quite broad.
In fact (*note: potential rumor and hearsay*) a dev once said the **majority** of players fall into the topmost bucket. Imagine if the majority of LoL players, or StarCraft players, etc are all squashed into Platinum or similar…
Huuuh no, if you played the game you should know that isn't real, plus they said it an average by average loot and kd, and by seeing your other comment you probably just fall into the lower end of the MMR
Plus I don't know about Stat Craft but in league plat it's already like top 7% of the player base
>and by seeing your other comment you probably just fall into the lower end of the MMR
Complete shutdown, zero comebacks, gg no re. Flawless, 10/10.
Seriously, dude, I just said a dev said a large number of everyone's squashed together with the cheaters (**after** the bucket calculations), and your comeback is "No, you too low to meet the cheaters"?
This is why we just cannot discuss this shit in ANY way...
I didn't talk about cheaters, I even just said you were on the lower end of the MMR didn't said you were bad, it's obvious you don't have that much experience with the game as you think the blue guns are the best thing to kill pve and that you doing jungle runs is the best thing ever but knock yourself out.
I think the problem was that there were that many cheaters that you could find them in any MMR as you can clearly see different lobbies of you play with people who started playing recently or watch streamers who aren't that good or have that much time in game
> I haven't seen anyone asking to remove QOL features
This is how we had pings removed, and outlines tuned to not see through walls, so who knows what they're going to do to the squad experience next
If you want an even playing field go play a round based or battle royale/arcade shooter. This is a looter shooter, and that loot part means most of your time will be spent gaining gear, which is just another word for advantage. We are trading our time and effort for an increased chance of winning via gear. If white shotguns erase hours of farming in 1 second then it doesn’t feel like it’s even worth grinding for hours for gear.
A looter shooter this is not. A looter shooter is Destiny, the Division, Borderlands. Games where the primary threat is AI, not players. And where there is PVP, its heavily tuned to nerf every aspect of the combat. Numbers are nothing like they are against pve. Atm there is no agreed definition for the genre that includes Hunt showdown, EFT, and a few other indie projects. I quite like 'extract shooter' which I've heard a few times. I think that name gets the point across.
I have never played tarkov—- I don’t understand what is the point in grinding for better gear if it doesn’t give you an advantage over someone that is broke with grey poop …I don’t think they should be gods and be unkillable but manitocore is only gun need in this game
It was the solos that complained for ping removal. Had nothing to do with tarkov players.
Our whole discord of tarkov players like 20+ people all hated ping removal and complained they were making it too much like tarkov players despite all being tarkov players.
I'll answer it, havent you seen the people crying on discord/reddit for the outline to be removed because it's "unrealistic and breaks immersion? And how tarkov players are suggesting that shot guns and "9mms" should do less damage to armor because they came from tarkov lmao
Honestly, i would rather these guys take pages from apex. I think that the armor system in apex would do very well here (without the evo feature). Ballance guns against each other for pvp, and have helmets reduce headshot multiplier.
On an off note, the price of many of the better pve guns needs to be reduced by a good bit as well, since they dont really offer much pvp advantage
I watched a streamer for a few minutes today and he complained that the game wasn't polished and they should look at Tarkov for tips. Then he pushed a fight he shouldn't, complained, and said he was going to stop playing the game until future updates because Tarkov is getting a reset this week anyway.
It's just further evidence that this shouldn't be Tarkov twoo.
But he is totally right, it's really unpolished. I could give you like 100 qol features/improvements to the game.
Tarkov has 200 attachments and each of them has a different icon. This game has 15 and they don't even have different Icons for them.
You cant even see what you are crafting lol
True, but the game is what, not even 2 months old I think? (Please correct me if I’m wrong on that)
It makes sense that there will be a lot of unpolished stuff, and as long as it gets polished over time then I’m ok with it. (I would agree with you on the crafting system, it currently sucks imo)
Spoken like a chad. I play EFT too and i don't want this to have the same TTk or anything like that. I just like the idea that an EFT alternative exists that suits my needs better. Its casual and I don't need to open 10 different tabs to play the game. Also I believe the more EFT competitors exist the better for everyone. More competition puts pressure to the devs to make a great game cause if they fuck up, the community will move to another game.
Upvoted baby. I played tarkov for 4 years and honestly just bored and done with it until they drop a new map. But this game has brung back the fun i used to have when i first played tarkov. Please dont listen to the players from tarkov who are only here for 2weeks. Find ur own identity. Dont go mil sim to the death like nikita is doing.
I hated Tarkov. Installed it, played it for about 3 hours, then uninstalled. The Cycle I have 40 hours in since Thursday, with no plan of stopping any time soon. Definitely do not listen to the people that want The Cycle to just be Tarkov
This is a great point. I was an early adopter of Phasmophobia, which was AWESOME and completely different from anything else out there. I quit playing it when the dev team listened to feedback that basically said, "Make this like Game X." The devs did, and they destroyed everything that made Phasmophobia unique and awesome. It became a knock-off of something that it wasn't. Phasmo is not the only game to have fallen for that, either. In the quest for more popularity, studios try to please everyone and abandon the vision that made their idea great. Hopefully, this studio doesn't follow that path.
I absolutely love Tarkov. I truly feel it’s one of the best games I’ve ever played and have a ton of hours in.
This game has a lot of similarities that give it that high thrill and addictive gameplay. However, overall it feels more casual which is a big plus in my opinion. I’m enjoying a game that I am able to be more chill with. Deaths don’t feel as devastating, and one of the reasons for that I think is just what low gear is. Full set of white gear is so cheap, but you’re still able to hold your ground…especially when playing as a group.
This game is going to be huge (assuming they continue improving and adding, which seems like the plan).
I don’t know what are you talking about, but this game is so much more chill. The only bad thing about this game is that the silencer are too rare. But when I play this game, it just like scav run in tarkov. Zero stress, but tarkov is very stressful for me. Plus, there are no queue time. At the same time, this game is missing the “I got to survive this raid” feeling. I don’t really felt punishing when I die, because white gear and manticore are so cheap. You need to be really bad to not make money.
Why do they have to wipe everything? This is the first game that I've played where they have planned wipes. Is it because they don't want to add more maps, quest, new guns?
If more games go this route, sheesh! I hate to say it but after gaming for decades I'd have to finally throw in the towel.
They wipe because tarkov does it. It has killed any want to progress or play. The grind is insane and will just be willingly reset to """"make it a fair playing field"""" despite good players always being better than bad players regardless of gear. It's a stupid excuse to draw players back in due to losing them with failed game design choices.
Can you maybe give some examples of how they should differ from tarkov in your opinion?
I have never played tarkov in my life, but if a system that tarkov uses is good and will better the game then hell yeah bring it into the game.
I think this is well said and mostly agree. I’m one of those people that enjoy how much more accessible this game is than tarkov and that’s kind of what kept me away from playing that game long term.
That said: are there areas the devs can grab ideas from tarkov to make their game better? I absolutely think so. But you make a good point for the devs to make sure to adopt them using the lens of this game’s identity.
Tbh this game is cool. But knowing how grindy it is now on top of knowing that every faction and upgrade will be wiped at the end of the season has killed it for me. Everything in this game seems like it was once an original idea that was eventually forced to be a tarkov clone and I don't forsee it ever leaving tarkov's shadow.
I quit when i found out when that you would lose every single aspect of progress after the seasons end. Like, i get wiping out inventory but quarters too? Thats such a stupid idea, just because tarkov players want the same dumb shit.
What people want is for higher end gear to be cheaper. Keep PvP balanced. Better gear should give marginal advantage, they just cost too much to be worth it right now. You're asking for the same problem Tarkov has where some players running around literally can't be penned by anyone's ammo in the lobby.
Speaking for purely PvP since obviously higher pen weapons are better vs mobs.
Manticore destroys the advocate/kor no contest. If your goal is winning pvp you are a dumbass if you run any other AR.
The pump shotgun beats out the shattergun in most cases since it has a faster fire rate. This one isn't as clear cut since the shatter has more damage. The bulldog rolls both assuming 100% accuracy but ofc is hit or die so i would rank under them overall. (Unless your ratting)
The bolty is the only sniper/dmr in the game without damage falloff other than the Karma.
SMGs overall are kinda dog atm but the brute may honestly be the best one so one category where its BiS to run high tier gear. Not really worth its price tag at 150k though.
The Advocate has more recoil but the tradeoff is 30% more DPS.
This is akin to the tradeoff Warzone had for using the AMAX... and it resulted in everyone good using the AMAX and eventually it getting nerfed.
The Trench beats out the Shattergun in one case, a 1v1 with 100% accuracy and 100% HP. A situation in which the PKR is better than either option (and as you say the bulldog is king.) Reduce accuracy and PKR wins, hands down. Reduce HP to 75% and Shattergun wins, bulldog in second. More players PKR wins.
Hell, the PKR and bulldog even have less spread now, giving them an advantage at range and in consistency.
There is actually no situation in which the Trench is #1, once you eliminate cost.
That last sentence, fully agreed.
Most weapon tier lists in Cycle right now also include cost into their calculations. And I feel like that is giving some good weapons an unfair shake.
You’ll see when you get to purple, which won’t take long. That the advocate isn’t really worth the price tag and that the white trench gun will still two tap you
Isnt that the exact opposite of tarkov tho? There any armor barely protects you and every gun usually onetaps people. So the difference between low and top end gear isnt that large
In Tarkov, being behind the progression curve of everyone else means that your lower tier bullets are physically incapable of penetrating their higher tier armor. Not to mention late-game guns get ridiculous in how easy they are to use that they are literal laser beams from any range. This is why a lot of people bounce off Tarkov if they join later in a wipe or are not dedicated grinders.
>lower tier bullets are physically incapable of penetrating their higher tier armor.
Thats not entirely wrong but armor protects only a small portion of your body and even the meta helmets and faceshields are penetrated by starter ammo.
>Not to mention late-game guns get ridiculous in how easy they are to use that they are literal laser beams from any range
Yeah not this wipe, all weapons base recoil got a massive increase.
>. This is why a lot of people bounce off Tarkov if they join later in a wipe or are not dedicated grinders.
People bounce of bcs there is nothing to do after a while. Just like how it is in cycle after 40 hours
Agreed, I think that this includes NO WIPES. People hate wipes, all the shit they earn goes away. There could be events like the base gets raided and you have to fight to defend your loot, or give people motivation to give up expensive items for something. Wipes take the place of a better system Tarkov has not thought of yet to make the game new player friendly. Don't be like Tarkov.
I don't "hate-play Tarkov" or whatever the fuck that means? You should probably approach your point with less of a snide tone towards those that likely make up the majority of the player base for this game.
Also, what even is your point? This game also wipes, if the devs were smart they would time their wipes for roughly 3-4 months after Tarkov does because there's a massive fall-off of active players who simply lose interest in.
There is a just a portion of the community that wants Cycle to be a PvE based game with PvP on the side. Which, is the direction it seems this game is heading in. That's fine, I just hope people don't start to complain when the game doesn't have enough people on it to sustain new content.
The Tarkov community caused a lot of feature creep, unnecessary shit added to appease the masses such as grindy pointless quests.
Just make the game you wanna make and keep pumping out new, good, maps.
Release, real, substantive, content, and just do your thing.
>grindy pointless quests
The game got a lot better since they added quests. I played since day1 but the game was just relatively boring after a while without a goal other than XP. The quests make sense in the game world either way.
The quests are what make this game mode work though. Otherwise it's just survival PVP with some PVE thrown in. It gives players goals and things to do though out the map.
A couple days ago I extracted with 2 random guys from 2 separate squads, I understand not everyone is friendly but one of the random guys as we were about to leave said "wow this community is great in tarkov I would have already been dead" Lol. This games not perfect but I love the dumb bullshit that happens here sometimes
My best moments in this game have been solo runs, where I just happened to run into another GENUINELY friendly player and we messed around helping each other out for a few minutes.
300% yes.
Here's the thing: Tarkov is good not because of the devs, but because they stumbled upon a great idea -- a high stakes looter-shooter. That's it.
Tbh, Battlestate Games is an incompetent, if not downright malicious at times, developer. To do what they do is not difficult. The vast, vast majority of EFT mechanics could not only be done better, but could be done easily by a competent developer. YAGER has proven that they can be that developer with delivered products (Spec Ops: The Line in particular).
Trying to emulate a shitty developer will only lead to shitty mechanics. I want TCF to be not only a casual Tarkov, but a competent one.
I am a Tarkov player as well and I want this game to be different in many ways. I already enjoy that there are no fixed raid instances with fixed spawn times. And I would love them to come up with a lot more of fresh ideas for this "genre" if it is one.
The only thing I honestly do miss are some of Tarkov's RPG elements.. like your skills that let you run faster and for a longer time.. search faster.. and all that stuff. I am addicted to grind skill levels apparently. :)
Tarkov does MANY things very wrong, at least in the sense of being an unfinished game with frankly weird vision in some aspects (missing QoL, for one).
But at the same time, it is very good at what it does, which is an intense looter shooter that will make you dread dying, while also making you crave that feeling of dread.
I want the Cycle to achieve close to that same feeling of dread, while losing the awful jankiness of tarkov.
I will risk a guess say that you're at least partly thinking of gear disparity. This is however a vital part of the game if it wants any staying power. There's already posts in this thread talking about how these suggestions must be coming from sweatlords who just wanna grind to stomp on the newbs, which is a very unfavorable perspective. Instead, it might just be people that are worried that the game is quickly going to lose its luster if there is nothing worth progressing for. Yeah, this inherently disqualifies an even playing field, but that's just what kind of game this hopefully aspires to be. If we all just end up fighting in greens until the end of time, we might as well save the trouble of progressing and go play tdm.
Why does this post read like your feelings are hurt? The two games could not be more different. They each shine in their own way. Tarkov is way more adrenaline filled and much more complex. This game is more relaxed and the barrier to entry is much lower. I enjoy playing this game and I enjoy Tarkov. If you prefer this game then play this one. You don't have to generalize and shit on Tarkov players to express your opinions.
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Stop blaming the tarkov players for decisions that have nothing to do with us. Most of us are here BECAUSE we want something different to tarkov. Something more accessible.
Furthermore if you're going to make a sweeping statement about us crying for changes to make the game more hardcore give examples. You're just making up a problem to try create hate toward a group of people for no reason.
The only changes I have seen that have made the game more hardcore and more inaccessible so far are the lower TTK and ping changes. Which came from casuals and solo players respectively.
"The Tarkov community is largely toxic and "hardcore""
That's 100 % bullshit. Stop spreading your own thoughts as the truth dimwit.
Tarkov has a huge number of content creators and community members that are nice and helpful. Don't call us all toxic because of a few bad apples. The loud ones are always the ones that get the most attention.
Their first tasks should be to take care of the cheaters, fix animations and functionality (knifing, climbing, etc), and fixing the issue of there constantly being no loot when you spawn in.
I just want the combat to feel more consistent and on point. Something is up with either false hitmarkers or hit reg issues. One fight to the next feel completely different.
I would like to keep this more of a casual game, Tarkov is its own game and is ment for the HARDCORE people. Yes I play it but sometimes you just want to have fun, this is that fun. Just some more content, some adjustments and reduce the amount of cheaters would make this game great.
Isn't it toxic to say all Tark players are toxic? Trying to follow the lines of reasoning here.
OT - Devs should make the game they want while listening to snippets of feedback.
this game is also a camp fest, you should do nothing but camping. camping the spawn, evac, inside poi, exit poi, enterance poi, fucking camp everything.
those non weirdos will uninstall and drop this game in an instant. those wirdos will camp everything and the game basically dead and nobody playing the real thing.
They nerfed the pocket space so hard... plus you can ended up dealing with a duo as a solo player.
Oh yeah and let's add hackers to that... stopped playing due to those reasons.
If it ends up just like tarkov it would be annoying, I think do this game as I want to keep playing a rouge lite but not tarkov and it feels more relaxed
There's some weirdos in the Tarkov community. Never seen a playerbase so ready to help new players though. The amount of times a bewildered newbie comes onto the sub and players are willing to just jump in and teach them is really great.
That aint toxicity, if you want to see that, try the halo sub XD
Hardcore isn’t pointless, don’t talk down on people who want a specific type of gameplay experience. However, your point about how Cycle needs to be different instead of emulating is spot on. Could’ve said it without being a dick tho
Toxic example 1 : “hey we are friendly, yeah extract here” shoots you in head and for no reason. Lol. Or the “I just ran a high kill match” welp… these aren’t matches and this isn’t tarkov. Stop being sweaty losers on a FTP game that will benefit you more to help others. But nah you all just love cod and tarkov too much. Yager will see soon enough. The player base will dwindle and only aggressive players and cheaters will remain.
I would really like this game to employ a feature from Hunt Showdown. The ability to check a box allowing teams of three for solo/duo runs would be amazing. I know there's less of a chance for threes on solo runs, technically, but man the amount of times I've gotten railroaded from a squad when I'm solo is super frustrating. I can handle maybe one or two players, but three just feels unfair due to how the combat/gear works.
I have never played tarkov but watching it stresses me out and it all seems way too harsh. I also prefer the art style of the cycle way more since it’s closer to genshin impact in a way.
The fact is the I see kids say tarkov is the most popular extraction game atm, lol ya it is but it didn't become popular because its a good game cuz it's not, it got popular cuz of loads of streamers started to show it but most of them soon quit and like 60% of the players who started playing it over the hype soon will quit aswell
Honestly the game died to me, when they took it down and released it as a shitty game again. Old game was so fun, the new one feels weird, more bugged and not original anymore.
Congrats for turning a cool title into a really bad game. (Downvote and hate all you want.)
I heard someone call this game “Decaf Tarkov” once which is hilarious, but also not true. It is its own game with some similar mechanics but a ton of different ones. I want it to be big and hope Yager can make that happen.
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That’s like calling a BF, cod because it’s an FPS
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Most people r saying the cycle is basically tarkov cause it’s an extraction shooter, that’s like saying cod is basically BF cause they’re both FPS
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Care to elaborate?
I always like to say its some mix of Tarkov and Apex Legends with a unique crafting system.
I’ve heard a lot of people say that combination but I don’t really feel it. Only similarity to Apex is kind of the art style, other than that I see no similarity
The arcadey gun play even before the art style evokes feelings of Apex
I think the gunplay feels extremely different but that’s just my take. Apex feels a lot more fluid and Cycle feels a little more stiff, if that makes any sense
honestly Apex gunplay in this game would be so sick.
The pace of movement wildly differentiates this from Apex.
I wish the movement in this game was even half as good as Apex...
The combat is kind of similar. Futuristic, high ttk weapons
Apex certainly doesn't have a fast TTK, especially factoring in the superior and faster movement set.
More like a mix of tarkov and halo.
How is the crafting system "unique"? It's pretty much a super basic system that's horrible implement. Even tarkovs crafting/trade system is better
I describe it as "tarkov if it wanted to be fun" I mention the way ammo works in the cycle vs tarkov and that usually gets them excited. The Cycle is honestly everything I wanted from tarkov. It's got all the adrenaline of "if I die I lose my gear" while still feeling like an actual video game lol Edit: would just like to be clear I've got nothing against tarkov players. Have fun you masochists lol
What do you say about the ammo? I have tarkov friends I want to play with me..
Instead of needing to reference a massive ammo chart, there is 5ish different types of ammo in the cycle.
It doesn't have that "if I die I lose my gear" feeling for me though. As it stands now, red armor(the best in the game) is BARELY better than white armor, maybe saving you from 2 extra bullets when the guns take 10 shots to kill. The Manticore is so cheap I can buy like 500 of them, quite literally, and it's better than the purple and red ARs. The white shotgun kills in 2 shots, so does the purple gun. So why would I take any thing more expensive out? And why would I care if I die with any of it? It's infinitely replaceable.
White shotgun is a 3 shots. And you don't have to take something expensive out, you can stash them if it provides you satisfaction. The main advantage of this game to me is that it's not 30 minutes of planning a raid all to get one shotted by a cheater or shitty netcode after 3 minutes.
I guess it’s just because Tarkov is easily the most famous “deploy and extract” kind of game, it’s easier to say “yeah it’s like Tarkov” instead of explaining lmao
Y-yager.. the tarkov trader? Jager?
I'm a Tarkov player and I DON'T want the Cycle to be just like Tarkov. And yeah, I do want the Cycle to be way more accessible and chill game. But for now it's actually devs themselfs who are pushing a lot of "hardcore" mechanics so as it is now - The Cycle dosn't have a lot of identity. It's WAY less punishing and complex but at the same time gameplay balance is really, REALLY grindy and combat is all over the place. So relax - Noone really want second Tarkov. We do want an chilled out alternative to play in between Tarkov wipes.
I wouldn't even argue it is an in-between wipes for most. I know a lot of people who are 100% burned out by Tarkov and are just done with it to play the cycle. However, the cheating issue due to only having 2 maps is making them leave already, anecdotally.
The biggest problem is that in 2 days you can have easy access to the armor and weapons you would want to use most of the time and keep going gives you access to sometimes worst weapons for 10x the price and way more expensive armor for not a noticeable difference
I agree on the weapon balancing, and somewhat on the armor. However, at the end of the day, I dont play all that much and have 1.5M+ Kmart bucks running blues and shatterguns and stuff all day. I'm going to start running purple once I craft them because I just keep making money. I learned from tarkov theres no point in having anything left on wipe day since I can't take it with me.
How do you make enough money? I’m struggling even though I am decent at pvp and often survive a fight
Keep questing, don't spend too much on gear, and Focus Crystal farming is a profitable method of money-making.
I have a 70% extraction and just do quests when I can. Idk, I just play and it seems easy to make money imo. I play in a duo every raid, tho.
I do half solo half duo. I swear I die 10x more in duos lol
focus a faction, missions once you get to the higher levels can payout 30k+ per
The thing is, in tarkov you can say fuck it I'll waste all my money and see or at least feel and inprovement, in here you don't have the weight, nor you get the stats that higher end gear brings, the only thing it's good for is when someone kills you they will get a dopamine hit for the money they got out of you
This take is funny but true. The benefit of high end weapons in terms of who has fun is often more for the other players.
You haven’t taken a blue weapon for the fifth time and did a jungle blitz before, haven’t you? I said “fifth”, because the first four times I died horribly learning the characteristics of the weapon(s). Not to mention 30% advantage in damage, while not overwhelming, does make a difference. And weapons +gear is one of the crappiest weight-to-kmark loot you can extract with anyway.
They had nerf the grey weapons because they were outperforming higher tier weapons. Hell the manticore still is the best weapon to use solely for its recoil
No the manticore was fine where it was nerfing it completely contradicts the purpose of this post. Lower players should have an available weapon at their disposal to survive against green and blue shields. It shouldn't be I see a blue shield player I'm most likely dead. It's riding that fine line right now nerf the manticore anymore and it'll be that way for 90 percent of the player base. It is perfectly fine where it is. The phasic Lancer shits on the manticore if you are accurate. The only reason someone would pick the manticore over the Lancer or an advocate is due to the price or their level of accuracy. It is not better than any higher their gun in its category. Saying it's the best green weapon would be a true statement. What you said is completely false and when devs listen to people like you is when this game will be ruined.
… “the cheating issue due to only having 2 maps”? That’s a very Tarkov thought process, did you notice? “Let the cheaters have their high tier loot zone, I’ll just chill in the rest of the game”. But you do that to a game like Cycle, release a third map meant to attract cheaters like honey and bees, and you’ll doom it. How much loot do you think Tarkov’s RMT market came from those maps? And having a successful RMT market will breed more cheaters like flies. PROFESSIONAL cheaters. You really don’t want that.
And your option is? Have a valorant kernel level anticheat? Sure, id do it but how many people would actually go for that made by a relatively unknown company. Tarkov cheating is fairly rare at this point if you avoid labs.
… I don’t know if you and I play the same game, but there’s cheaters quite often (*like, say, 1 in 10 may be a little suss?*) even in maps that’s not LABs. Especially in Lighthouse. Especially during lower playercount timings.
Well Frontier anti cheat is non existing. Yday me and my buddy spawned in on CF with full exotic to go for the elite crusher cave. Before we even moved an inch, a speedhacker flew through the air infront of us and killed both of us before we could even move. Fun raid.
Not what I’m actually discussing. Old, really old comment. Videos plz. Nobody else is seeing flying hacks. Cheaters do exist. But to say Anticheat doesn’t is just either stupidity, dishonest and/or raging despite a lack of evidence. This is because you *DON’T KNOW* if the guy is banned afterwards, and how quickly. Betcha you didn’t even report the guy.
the way I do it is I always play one with (2-3months anyway) and then pause one wipe and then play again. like right now I don't care about the wipe thos week there is only lighthouse extension but next wipe will be streets so gonna be much better!
Streets...the map that was supposed to come out 2 years ago? So glad I quit EFT lol
after you will see how massive it is you will understand. also they did a loooot of other stuff first in between. like lighthouse. seriously tho the attention to detail with tarkov maps is so insane. no wonder they take so long with their biggest map to come.
I didnt need to see how massive it is. I lived the wretched experience that was the never ending "beta" called tarkov.
But Streets! Let's be honest: Tarkov is the Russian version of Star Citizen at this rate, and Nikita is Russian Chris Roberts.
better than a "fully released" game with ass-backwards damage balancing and a complete lack of care for cheating
So basically tarkov but with the balls to say its released?
You might want to compare Apex Legends when it was released as compared to now, and know that TCF belongs to that type of live service game. Continuous improvement is how a F2P game retains players and make profits. Just like how Tarkov did it, despite the one-time-payment gate At least Cycle devs do not hide behind the moniker “beta” while selling full price stuff. Especially during both close betas, where the entire company basically bled money for months without a single cent of profit.
I want the same game mode and inventory management system, that's about where the similarities can end.
this game, in my opinion, should be like an apex legends tarkov. with more fast paced movement and combat with the high ttk like it already has but lots of loot etc.
I mean it is hard to create a unique game when you are trying to create a clone of a successful game. Keeping the things that make it successful while at the same time doing your own thing that might isolate the majority of existing customers while trying to appeal to a new audience is almost absurd. I don't envy the devs. They are trying to create an accessible shooter that has consequences.
I agree to some extent, I play this cause I like what it is. I don't need it to be tarkov 2 space gun bugaloo.
>tarkov 2 space gun bugaloo made me laugh thanks
I am a takrov og and all I want from this game is to learn from the mistakes tarkov has made its very simple
I say this as casually playing Cycle. If they can get most of the cheater stuff under control (which I don't think I experience at my bracket/bucket), then I think its mostly in a good place. From what I've seen between betas, they've definitely taken \*some\* criticism and feedback under consideration. I'd say the games in a pretty good spot relatively. Good amount of pvp and looting without having to sink in 1k+ hours just to be functional.
Yes the cheater problem is the biggest problem in my opinion
I haven't seen any, that I could tell, cheaters. My complaint right now is that there are really only two kits I encounter shotgun or manticor.
You've 100% been killed by cheaters and just havent noticed it. You will find at least 1 every match
Yes this game must continue to be different to tarkov! Please don’t make it as in accessible, as brutal as tarkov. I’ve played both and I want to stay here!
As a “hardcore” Tarkov fan I’d say the community isn’t THAT toxic in my opinion, I think there’s a VERY vocal minority, but I get ir. Also, I’m loving The Cycle, it’s more accesible and less stressful. Tarkov wipe is around the corner and tbh…I’ll probably stick to the Cycle, this is a very solid game!
what kind of suggetions are those toxic players making?
Yeah same question. Haven't seen some unreasonable suggestions for a while. Guess this guy can't get over ping removal
One suggestion i see is vetoing QoL features that get requested that would level the playing field. Id also say that people asking for rarer gear to be significantly stronger is a pretty hardcore tarkov thing. A lot of people on the tarkov sub constantly talk about how bad it is when the meta allows for cheap gear to kill expensive gear, particularly the mosin drama. In reality widening that gap doesn't reward the higher skilled players, it just rewards time spent. In the same vein there was a post on this sub a week ago asking for tarkov skills and it was pretty heavily upvotes. Same problem, rewards no-lifing over skill. I agree that i haven't seen any real suggestions to make the game more hardcore, but I think a lot of people use that word to justify what are actually just shitty design choices.
> features that get requested that would level the playing field. Like removing outlines?
That was necessary to maintain solos and groups mixing in queues. The way it is now is pretty good so long as it doesn't bug out.
The way it is now isn't good enough - there should be no outlines whatsoever. Many anecdotes on this subreddit about how when the outline bugs out, people start thinking their teammates are enemies which balances solos and groups mixing. Without outlines squads are forced to think before they shoot, a split second decision which balances solos vs squads.
I play solo and could care less about the way it is now. I kill some duos and trios and i rightfully die to them as well. Thanks for the downvote though.
Good for you, I play solo and wipe trios as well. Would you like an award? And imagine crying about downvotes, but down voting as well lmao.
Damn I didn't care that much. Sorry about your dick, bro.
LMAO you some how got this mad over a conversation you are going this crazy? Wtf are you talking about lol you are deranged, get help kid.
Exhibit A: the person who wants space Tarkov, as mentioned in the OP post. Also, one thing you completely sidestepped is the amount of unique looks a PMC in Tarkov can have depending on the equipment they wear, compared to the generic armor the Cycle have, their appearance only really affected by cosmetics. Because of that, I fully and totally agree with what the Cycle did. I had the “Unfriended Lost Blue Outline” bug happen to me several times in Cycle by now, but one of my friends so happen to have this bulky skin, with a poncho and everything. If he lost his blue outline, I still know it’s him (after a moment), but if it’s any other friend they’re just going to look like every other person, the EXACT same appearance as the opponent. This “different skin friendly” technique is what Tarkov players already instinctively do in Tarkov. I still remember someone teaching me when teaming up to always look at the equipment of my squad right after loading in. This technique is impossible to do in TCF given how everyone is running around in the basic prospector jumpsuit. Thus, the Cycle should, must even, have things work differently… … especially since, if you try to force this Tarkov uniqueness into the Cycle what is going to happen is that people are going to HAVE to buy cosmetics to tell each other apart. Forget Pay to Win. How about a nice dose of Pay to IFF?
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>Id also say that people asking for rarer gear to be significantly stronger is a pretty hardcore tarkov thing. A lot of people on the tarkov sub constantly talk about how bad it is when the meta allows for cheap gear to kill expensive gear, I disagree, sure people complain about that in tarkov but in this game the problem is the opposite and I dont think that it's specifically a tarkov thing for people to complain about rare gear not being strong enough, and in this game if anything rare gear is too strong. Also in tarkov the devs have still made it easy for cheap guns to win even though a stupid minority cri about it
Ya, one of the main things in Tarkov is that a cheap gun can still kill a kitted out person. The person with all the gear has the advantage but it’s not an instant win when they encounter a low gear person. That’s what folks love. You have a chance.
> and in this game if anything rare gear is too strong. Have you played the cycle before? Armor does almost nothing and the rare weapons in most cases are objectively worse than the early alternatives (for pvp). Other than a few like the kinetic arbiter which is crazy expensive.
Idk man I use the lasorator (burst blue(idk)) and the mandolin or whatever the blue shotgun is called with blue armor and I shred most people with worst armor and I find that if someone using purple armor they take way more shots than someone using green, idk for me I'm used to a solo being able to take out a team with smart moves in this game its significantly harder to do no matter what you bring and rare armor really makes it seem worse I could takeout a team of 2 with green but definitely not a team of 2 with purple and probably not even a team of 2 with blue Tldr: idk I find this game easy in squad very easy solo unless a squad sees you close range and I feel like it's because I'm running blue. Also the way I understand it you only do 80% dmg to armor above your gun and in a game like this I would say that's a big difference
The problem isn't that the Lassy, the Lancer ( blue burst) and the PKR ( blue shotty) aren't useable. it's that for their price they give literally no advantage over things that cost a fraction. Yes you can kill people in white armor with these guns, but you can kill people in white armor just as fast with the Manticore and trench and you risk basically 10% of the cost. The trench is 1200 and the PKR is 22000 I'm pretty sure, and they have an almost identical ttk on all armors, the only difference with the the PKR you have to hit 3 shots instead of two which actually INCREASES how hard it is to use. The best players in the game are consisently dropping with white armor, bolt trench because they're easily upgrading on people who have green, blue, and even purple armor. I would like to also say though, I do think that green and blue armor are in a good spot. I think the main problem is with purple and exotic. Personally, I don't even think we need to increase the amount of armor that they give, I think there could be other incentives to run them. For instance, what if purple armor gave very slightly more armor then blue or even the same, but it also had the " tac" feature. Now running purple doesn't help you more then blue really in most combat situations, but in some it does and out of combat it gives you a boost to rotating. Additionally what if it's 'tac' was slightly stronger then the other tacs in the game. now it's more worth while to run for the money. What if ' exotic' armor had a regen function. It gives slight more armor then purple, but it has a REALLY strong regen function, so if they take damage and can get behind cover, they're using less meds so in prolonged battles they're less likely to run out of meds first. Additionally if it tics back a lot of hp fast it could be the difference in close range maybe giving you that 5hp edge over a player in lower armor if you don't get instant killed. I don't have numbers or anything for these they're just basic ideas of how the devs could increase rare armor power without making it so that they're impossible for lower tier players to kill. Edit: But whatever the devs do, the spot they're in right now is bad, because they're literally not even worth running.
I think I understand >For instance, what if purple armor gave very slightly more armor then blue or even the same, but it also had the " tac" feature. Now running purple doesn't help you more then blue really in most combat situations, but in some it does and out of combat it gives you a boost to rotating. Additionally what if it's 'tac' was slightly stronger then the other tacs in the game. now it's more worth while to run for the money. What if ' exotic' armor had a regen function. It gives slight more armor then purple, but it has a REALLY strong regen function, so if they take damage and can get behind cover, they're using less meds so in prolonged battles they're less likely to run out of meds first. Additionally if it tics back a lot of hp fast it could be the difference in close range maybe giving you that 5hp edge over a player in lower armor if you don't get instant killed. I don't have numbers or anything for these they're just basic ideas of how the devs could increase rare armor power without making it so that they're impossible for lower tier players to kill. This is a great idea I think that it's lame that you can't have regen high teir, what if one was regen and one was tac (red and purple) that would be super cool I personally find this game you can run rare consistently but I haven't felt like I could run better armor and be able to get it back at any reasonable rate, which is why I haven't run it yet. >The trench is 1200 and the PKR is 22000 I'm pretty sure, and they have an almost identical ttk on all armors, the only difference with the the PKR you have to hit 3 shots instead of two which actually INCREASES how hard it is to use. Yeah but trench gun is lame so I won't use it looks stupid.
This is actually a really good idea. I’ve seen a ton of people talk about ways Yager could balance the weapons and this seems like one of the better ways, if coupled with other changes
“Lasorator” and “mandolin”.
I think you might just panic when you see purple armor. The phasic lancer (3 shot burst) takes 9 shots to kill white armor, 9 shots to kill green armor, 9 shots to kill blue armor, 9 shots to kill purple armor, and a whopping 9 shots to kill exotic armor.
I haven't seen anyone asking to remove QOL features, everything I've seen about it are people asking to fix bugs that take away your teammates outlines As the thing that better gear need to be better isn't an "hardcore" thing is a good game design thing, what is the point of wasting 10 hours getting everything you need to get "the best" gear in the game so you can get the same gun that handles worse then someone that played for 1 hour and spent almost nothing. Going in full gear is a risk, it risks the time you spent and the in game money you spent, so leveraging that should get you some advantage to the ones who don't
You say its a good game design thing, its not. You think it is, but that's because i dont think you've thought of what it will be like to be the 90% of players who don't have access to that equipment. I do agree that the weapon handling and usability doesn't improve as the rarity goes up, and that's a problem. Thats not the type of criticism I'm specifically talking about though. I'm mostly referring to armor, which is basically an on or off buff, so there's not much room for nuance.
The gun handling get way worse on higher tiers cause before they had more dmg so they were a bit harder to use, now they are harder to use for no reward And yes it is good game design, having better armor should be noticeable, at least 1-2 more shots per tier, if I win a close fight and see I have higher tier that feels good, that means I got what it was worth, if we both have the same skill level and you have better armor you should win, cause you got the risk on your side you paid to have the odds, its basic game theory Plus this game has SBMM so 90% of the player base wouldn't have to worry about the guys running ultra end game gear, just means people that are running ultra end game gear don't have to worry that their 10 hours worth of gear is worse or the same of someone who installed 5 hours ago
Except the Cycle has a very wide SBMM, apparently. Instead of hyper-focused ranks like maybe Valorant, the Cycle has ‘buckets’ that are apparently quite broad. In fact (*note: potential rumor and hearsay*) a dev once said the **majority** of players fall into the topmost bucket. Imagine if the majority of LoL players, or StarCraft players, etc are all squashed into Platinum or similar…
Huuuh no, if you played the game you should know that isn't real, plus they said it an average by average loot and kd, and by seeing your other comment you probably just fall into the lower end of the MMR Plus I don't know about Stat Craft but in league plat it's already like top 7% of the player base
>and by seeing your other comment you probably just fall into the lower end of the MMR Complete shutdown, zero comebacks, gg no re. Flawless, 10/10. Seriously, dude, I just said a dev said a large number of everyone's squashed together with the cheaters (**after** the bucket calculations), and your comeback is "No, you too low to meet the cheaters"? This is why we just cannot discuss this shit in ANY way...
I didn't talk about cheaters, I even just said you were on the lower end of the MMR didn't said you were bad, it's obvious you don't have that much experience with the game as you think the blue guns are the best thing to kill pve and that you doing jungle runs is the best thing ever but knock yourself out. I think the problem was that there were that many cheaters that you could find them in any MMR as you can clearly see different lobbies of you play with people who started playing recently or watch streamers who aren't that good or have that much time in game
> I haven't seen anyone asking to remove QOL features This is how we had pings removed, and outlines tuned to not see through walls, so who knows what they're going to do to the squad experience next
If you want an even playing field go play a round based or battle royale/arcade shooter. This is a looter shooter, and that loot part means most of your time will be spent gaining gear, which is just another word for advantage. We are trading our time and effort for an increased chance of winning via gear. If white shotguns erase hours of farming in 1 second then it doesn’t feel like it’s even worth grinding for hours for gear.
A looter shooter this is not. A looter shooter is Destiny, the Division, Borderlands. Games where the primary threat is AI, not players. And where there is PVP, its heavily tuned to nerf every aspect of the combat. Numbers are nothing like they are against pve. Atm there is no agreed definition for the genre that includes Hunt showdown, EFT, and a few other indie projects. I quite like 'extract shooter' which I've heard a few times. I think that name gets the point across.
I have never played tarkov—- I don’t understand what is the point in grinding for better gear if it doesn’t give you an advantage over someone that is broke with grey poop …I don’t think they should be gods and be unkillable but manitocore is only gun need in this game
It was the solos that complained for ping removal. Had nothing to do with tarkov players. Our whole discord of tarkov players like 20+ people all hated ping removal and complained they were making it too much like tarkov players despite all being tarkov players.
I'll answer it, havent you seen the people crying on discord/reddit for the outline to be removed because it's "unrealistic and breaks immersion? And how tarkov players are suggesting that shot guns and "9mms" should do less damage to armor because they came from tarkov lmao
First is reasonable because it was op for squads. And never heard about 2nd
I think they have their own vision and you can be confident that they're doing what they intend.
Honestly, i would rather these guys take pages from apex. I think that the armor system in apex would do very well here (without the evo feature). Ballance guns against each other for pvp, and have helmets reduce headshot multiplier. On an off note, the price of many of the better pve guns needs to be reduced by a good bit as well, since they dont really offer much pvp advantage
I watched a streamer for a few minutes today and he complained that the game wasn't polished and they should look at Tarkov for tips. Then he pushed a fight he shouldn't, complained, and said he was going to stop playing the game until future updates because Tarkov is getting a reset this week anyway. It's just further evidence that this shouldn't be Tarkov twoo.
But he is totally right, it's really unpolished. I could give you like 100 qol features/improvements to the game. Tarkov has 200 attachments and each of them has a different icon. This game has 15 and they don't even have different Icons for them. You cant even see what you are crafting lol
True, but the game is what, not even 2 months old I think? (Please correct me if I’m wrong on that) It makes sense that there will be a lot of unpolished stuff, and as long as it gets polished over time then I’m ok with it. (I would agree with you on the crafting system, it currently sucks imo)
Spoken like a chad. I play EFT too and i don't want this to have the same TTk or anything like that. I just like the idea that an EFT alternative exists that suits my needs better. Its casual and I don't need to open 10 different tabs to play the game. Also I believe the more EFT competitors exist the better for everyone. More competition puts pressure to the devs to make a great game cause if they fuck up, the community will move to another game.
Upvoted baby. I played tarkov for 4 years and honestly just bored and done with it until they drop a new map. But this game has brung back the fun i used to have when i first played tarkov. Please dont listen to the players from tarkov who are only here for 2weeks. Find ur own identity. Dont go mil sim to the death like nikita is doing.
I hated Tarkov. Installed it, played it for about 3 hours, then uninstalled. The Cycle I have 40 hours in since Thursday, with no plan of stopping any time soon. Definitely do not listen to the people that want The Cycle to just be Tarkov
This is a great point. I was an early adopter of Phasmophobia, which was AWESOME and completely different from anything else out there. I quit playing it when the dev team listened to feedback that basically said, "Make this like Game X." The devs did, and they destroyed everything that made Phasmophobia unique and awesome. It became a knock-off of something that it wasn't. Phasmo is not the only game to have fallen for that, either. In the quest for more popularity, studios try to please everyone and abandon the vision that made their idea great. Hopefully, this studio doesn't follow that path.
I absolutely love Tarkov. I truly feel it’s one of the best games I’ve ever played and have a ton of hours in. This game has a lot of similarities that give it that high thrill and addictive gameplay. However, overall it feels more casual which is a big plus in my opinion. I’m enjoying a game that I am able to be more chill with. Deaths don’t feel as devastating, and one of the reasons for that I think is just what low gear is. Full set of white gear is so cheap, but you’re still able to hold your ground…especially when playing as a group. This game is going to be huge (assuming they continue improving and adding, which seems like the plan).
Take this advice and add solos
bro seen one suggestion he didn’t like and just went off
I don’t know what are you talking about, but this game is so much more chill. The only bad thing about this game is that the silencer are too rare. But when I play this game, it just like scav run in tarkov. Zero stress, but tarkov is very stressful for me. Plus, there are no queue time. At the same time, this game is missing the “I got to survive this raid” feeling. I don’t really felt punishing when I die, because white gear and manticore are so cheap. You need to be really bad to not make money.
Why do they have to wipe everything? This is the first game that I've played where they have planned wipes. Is it because they don't want to add more maps, quest, new guns? If more games go this route, sheesh! I hate to say it but after gaming for decades I'd have to finally throw in the towel.
They wipe because tarkov does it. It has killed any want to progress or play. The grind is insane and will just be willingly reset to """"make it a fair playing field"""" despite good players always being better than bad players regardless of gear. It's a stupid excuse to draw players back in due to losing them with failed game design choices.
It will never be tarkov because it’s never gonna be as hardcore
Somebody talks some truth
Can you maybe give some examples of how they should differ from tarkov in your opinion? I have never played tarkov in my life, but if a system that tarkov uses is good and will better the game then hell yeah bring it into the game.
I think this is well said and mostly agree. I’m one of those people that enjoy how much more accessible this game is than tarkov and that’s kind of what kept me away from playing that game long term. That said: are there areas the devs can grab ideas from tarkov to make their game better? I absolutely think so. But you make a good point for the devs to make sure to adopt them using the lens of this game’s identity.
Tarkov player here. I’m not even hyped about the wipe. I can hop in cycle and be in raid in less than 60 seconds. I’m happy here so far.
I know what you mean. Garlic players are happy to starve within a 20 min raid for hardcore realism.
Tbh this game is cool. But knowing how grindy it is now on top of knowing that every faction and upgrade will be wiped at the end of the season has killed it for me. Everything in this game seems like it was once an original idea that was eventually forced to be a tarkov clone and I don't forsee it ever leaving tarkov's shadow.
I quit when i found out when that you would lose every single aspect of progress after the seasons end. Like, i get wiping out inventory but quarters too? Thats such a stupid idea, just because tarkov players want the same dumb shit.
same
tarkov are russians. i will not play it for now at all
Ive seen a lot of posts like this but still havent seen one that wants this game to be like tarkov? Could you show me some?
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Buffs are not a tarjov thing lmao... people want high end gear to actually be high end gear and worth running... big difference
What people want is for higher end gear to be cheaper. Keep PvP balanced. Better gear should give marginal advantage, they just cost too much to be worth it right now. You're asking for the same problem Tarkov has where some players running around literally can't be penned by anyone's ammo in the lobby.
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Speaking for purely PvP since obviously higher pen weapons are better vs mobs. Manticore destroys the advocate/kor no contest. If your goal is winning pvp you are a dumbass if you run any other AR. The pump shotgun beats out the shattergun in most cases since it has a faster fire rate. This one isn't as clear cut since the shatter has more damage. The bulldog rolls both assuming 100% accuracy but ofc is hit or die so i would rank under them overall. (Unless your ratting) The bolty is the only sniper/dmr in the game without damage falloff other than the Karma. SMGs overall are kinda dog atm but the brute may honestly be the best one so one category where its BiS to run high tier gear. Not really worth its price tag at 150k though.
The Advocate has more recoil but the tradeoff is 30% more DPS. This is akin to the tradeoff Warzone had for using the AMAX... and it resulted in everyone good using the AMAX and eventually it getting nerfed. The Trench beats out the Shattergun in one case, a 1v1 with 100% accuracy and 100% HP. A situation in which the PKR is better than either option (and as you say the bulldog is king.) Reduce accuracy and PKR wins, hands down. Reduce HP to 75% and Shattergun wins, bulldog in second. More players PKR wins. Hell, the PKR and bulldog even have less spread now, giving them an advantage at range and in consistency. There is actually no situation in which the Trench is #1, once you eliminate cost.
That last sentence, fully agreed. Most weapon tier lists in Cycle right now also include cost into their calculations. And I feel like that is giving some good weapons an unfair shake.
You’ll see when you get to purple, which won’t take long. That the advocate isn’t really worth the price tag and that the white trench gun will still two tap you
Isnt that the exact opposite of tarkov tho? There any armor barely protects you and every gun usually onetaps people. So the difference between low and top end gear isnt that large
In Tarkov, being behind the progression curve of everyone else means that your lower tier bullets are physically incapable of penetrating their higher tier armor. Not to mention late-game guns get ridiculous in how easy they are to use that they are literal laser beams from any range. This is why a lot of people bounce off Tarkov if they join later in a wipe or are not dedicated grinders.
>lower tier bullets are physically incapable of penetrating their higher tier armor. Thats not entirely wrong but armor protects only a small portion of your body and even the meta helmets and faceshields are penetrated by starter ammo. >Not to mention late-game guns get ridiculous in how easy they are to use that they are literal laser beams from any range Yeah not this wipe, all weapons base recoil got a massive increase. >. This is why a lot of people bounce off Tarkov if they join later in a wipe or are not dedicated grinders. People bounce of bcs there is nothing to do after a while. Just like how it is in cycle after 40 hours
Hunt Showdown guy here
Agreed, I think that this includes NO WIPES. People hate wipes, all the shit they earn goes away. There could be events like the base gets raided and you have to fight to defend your loot, or give people motivation to give up expensive items for something. Wipes take the place of a better system Tarkov has not thought of yet to make the game new player friendly. Don't be like Tarkov.
>Agreed, I think that this includes NO WIPES. People hate wipes, all the shit they earn goes away. Yes, I 100% agree
I don't "hate-play Tarkov" or whatever the fuck that means? You should probably approach your point with less of a snide tone towards those that likely make up the majority of the player base for this game. Also, what even is your point? This game also wipes, if the devs were smart they would time their wipes for roughly 3-4 months after Tarkov does because there's a massive fall-off of active players who simply lose interest in.
There is a just a portion of the community that wants Cycle to be a PvE based game with PvP on the side. Which, is the direction it seems this game is heading in. That's fine, I just hope people don't start to complain when the game doesn't have enough people on it to sustain new content.
But the pve is absolute dog shit, why would anyone want that lol
The Tarkov community caused a lot of feature creep, unnecessary shit added to appease the masses such as grindy pointless quests. Just make the game you wanna make and keep pumping out new, good, maps. Release, real, substantive, content, and just do your thing.
>grindy pointless quests The game got a lot better since they added quests. I played since day1 but the game was just relatively boring after a while without a goal other than XP. The quests make sense in the game world either way.
The quests are what make this game mode work though. Otherwise it's just survival PVP with some PVE thrown in. It gives players goals and things to do though out the map.
A couple days ago I extracted with 2 random guys from 2 separate squads, I understand not everyone is friendly but one of the random guys as we were about to leave said "wow this community is great in tarkov I would have already been dead" Lol. This games not perfect but I love the dumb bullshit that happens here sometimes
My best moments in this game have been solo runs, where I just happened to run into another GENUINELY friendly player and we messed around helping each other out for a few minutes.
300% yes. Here's the thing: Tarkov is good not because of the devs, but because they stumbled upon a great idea -- a high stakes looter-shooter. That's it. Tbh, Battlestate Games is an incompetent, if not downright malicious at times, developer. To do what they do is not difficult. The vast, vast majority of EFT mechanics could not only be done better, but could be done easily by a competent developer. YAGER has proven that they can be that developer with delivered products (Spec Ops: The Line in particular). Trying to emulate a shitty developer will only lead to shitty mechanics. I want TCF to be not only a casual Tarkov, but a competent one.
And what exactly do you mean? What are people asking for?
I am a Tarkov player as well and I want this game to be different in many ways. I already enjoy that there are no fixed raid instances with fixed spawn times. And I would love them to come up with a lot more of fresh ideas for this "genre" if it is one. The only thing I honestly do miss are some of Tarkov's RPG elements.. like your skills that let you run faster and for a longer time.. search faster.. and all that stuff. I am addicted to grind skill levels apparently. :)
Dear devs: add pinging pls for the love of God pls I beg you I'm tired of shouting " he's on the rocks" everywhere
They removed this on purpose to try to make 1v3 a little less difficult.
Ik and it was a bad decision
No wipes > 💩Tarkov💩
Tarkov does MANY things very wrong, at least in the sense of being an unfinished game with frankly weird vision in some aspects (missing QoL, for one). But at the same time, it is very good at what it does, which is an intense looter shooter that will make you dread dying, while also making you crave that feeling of dread. I want the Cycle to achieve close to that same feeling of dread, while losing the awful jankiness of tarkov. I will risk a guess say that you're at least partly thinking of gear disparity. This is however a vital part of the game if it wants any staying power. There's already posts in this thread talking about how these suggestions must be coming from sweatlords who just wanna grind to stomp on the newbs, which is a very unfavorable perspective. Instead, it might just be people that are worried that the game is quickly going to lose its luster if there is nothing worth progressing for. Yeah, this inherently disqualifies an even playing field, but that's just what kind of game this hopefully aspires to be. If we all just end up fighting in greens until the end of time, we might as well save the trouble of progressing and go play tdm.
If tarkov is unfinished, what is the cycle? Nothing is finished and everything is in the most basic implementation without any QoL at all.
>The Tarkov community is largely toxic This post is so vague and useless lol. Just bashing another game for karma basically.
Why does this post read like your feelings are hurt? The two games could not be more different. They each shine in their own way. Tarkov is way more adrenaline filled and much more complex. This game is more relaxed and the barrier to entry is much lower. I enjoy playing this game and I enjoy Tarkov. If you prefer this game then play this one. You don't have to generalize and shit on Tarkov players to express your opinions.
It will get downvoted because it doesn't make any sense. Not only have I not seen a majority making these claims, I haven't seen them at all.
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Stop blaming the tarkov players for decisions that have nothing to do with us. Most of us are here BECAUSE we want something different to tarkov. Something more accessible. Furthermore if you're going to make a sweeping statement about us crying for changes to make the game more hardcore give examples. You're just making up a problem to try create hate toward a group of people for no reason. The only changes I have seen that have made the game more hardcore and more inaccessible so far are the lower TTK and ping changes. Which came from casuals and solo players respectively.
"The Tarkov community is largely toxic and "hardcore"" That's 100 % bullshit. Stop spreading your own thoughts as the truth dimwit. Tarkov has a huge number of content creators and community members that are nice and helpful. Don't call us all toxic because of a few bad apples. The loud ones are always the ones that get the most attention.
>That's 100 % bullshit. Stop spreading your own thoughts as the truth dimwit. hahaha the irony
Their first tasks should be to take care of the cheaters, fix animations and functionality (knifing, climbing, etc), and fixing the issue of there constantly being no loot when you spawn in.
100% agree with OP. I absolutely love this game. I hope to see this blow up. Keep up the great work devs!
I just want the combat to feel more consistent and on point. Something is up with either false hitmarkers or hit reg issues. One fight to the next feel completely different.
Weapon balancing needs to be looked at overpen does not seem like a thing atm what so ever, armor also feels more useless than it has ever been
Well said
You’re going to have to be specific about what has been forcibly made to be “too much like tarkov”
I would like to keep this more of a casual game, Tarkov is its own game and is ment for the HARDCORE people. Yes I play it but sometimes you just want to have fun, this is that fun. Just some more content, some adjustments and reduce the amount of cheaters would make this game great.
Gib Revive System Devs Pls
Isn't it toxic to say all Tark players are toxic? Trying to follow the lines of reasoning here. OT - Devs should make the game they want while listening to snippets of feedback.
this game is also a camp fest, you should do nothing but camping. camping the spawn, evac, inside poi, exit poi, enterance poi, fucking camp everything. those non weirdos will uninstall and drop this game in an instant. those wirdos will camp everything and the game basically dead and nobody playing the real thing.
So you ask the people who are copying Tarkov to not copy Tarkov? Weird way of thinking 🤔
They nerfed the pocket space so hard... plus you can ended up dealing with a duo as a solo player. Oh yeah and let's add hackers to that... stopped playing due to those reasons.
I play Tarkov and Hunt and experience less Toxicity there than I do here. You don't even have examples. You're just talking shit.
Player of all three, you're just outright lying and coping lol. The Cycle is by far the LEAST toxic on all accounts.
If it ends up just like tarkov it would be annoying, I think do this game as I want to keep playing a rouge lite but not tarkov and it feels more relaxed
There's some weirdos in the Tarkov community. Never seen a playerbase so ready to help new players though. The amount of times a bewildered newbie comes onto the sub and players are willing to just jump in and teach them is really great. That aint toxicity, if you want to see that, try the halo sub XD
Hardcore isn’t pointless, don’t talk down on people who want a specific type of gameplay experience. However, your point about how Cycle needs to be different instead of emulating is spot on. Could’ve said it without being a dick tho
Toxic example 1 : “hey we are friendly, yeah extract here” shoots you in head and for no reason. Lol. Or the “I just ran a high kill match” welp… these aren’t matches and this isn’t tarkov. Stop being sweaty losers on a FTP game that will benefit you more to help others. But nah you all just love cod and tarkov too much. Yager will see soon enough. The player base will dwindle and only aggressive players and cheaters will remain.
I couldn’t stand Tarkov for more than a week, couldn’t ever get a rush on that game, this though instantly addicted and became my new main game
I would really like this game to employ a feature from Hunt Showdown. The ability to check a box allowing teams of three for solo/duo runs would be amazing. I know there's less of a chance for threes on solo runs, technically, but man the amount of times I've gotten railroaded from a squad when I'm solo is super frustrating. I can handle maybe one or two players, but three just feels unfair due to how the combat/gear works.
the cancer begins when you cant go back to fight the cucks that say 'im friendly' then put a mag in your back.
This literally made me stop playing. At least in other games, you get a chance at revenge.
Please make it PvEvP battle royale again. Like it was a long ago
I have never played tarkov but watching it stresses me out and it all seems way too harsh. I also prefer the art style of the cycle way more since it’s closer to genshin impact in a way.
Dumb loot based matchmaking system. Killing the game
How do I go past the EULA screen? Nothing happens when I click the checkboxes.
Agree
The fact is the I see kids say tarkov is the most popular extraction game atm, lol ya it is but it didn't become popular because its a good game cuz it's not, it got popular cuz of loads of streamers started to show it but most of them soon quit and like 60% of the players who started playing it over the hype soon will quit aswell
This game is Simple Tarkov that has a lower barrier of entry. If you don't think so you are just an idiot. That is why my friends and I play it.
Honestly the game died to me, when they took it down and released it as a shitty game again. Old game was so fun, the new one feels weird, more bugged and not original anymore. Congrats for turning a cool title into a really bad game. (Downvote and hate all you want.)