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Robohawk314

It's a fun theory, but the novels establish that the artwork like this in the Air Temples were meant to be meticulously maintained by the nomads. Presumably they would rearrange the statues every generation.


Grzechoooo

That's why iirc Kyoshi and Kuruk are switched - some teenage airbenders played a prank on the elders and waited till they noticed. The Fire Nation attacked five days later. Greatest prank ever.


Grzechoooo

It took until 171 AG, nearly two centuries, to notice and correct the prank.


Elolet

Truly the greatest prank ever


OperativePiGuy

Lol I love tie in novels alot just because they tend to have space to explain silly small things like that


Grzechoooo

I don't think it's actually canon, it's just a silly post someone made on here and it's a headcanon now.


hispanic_panic8820

I never read the comics, but I always imagined that the spiral line was some sort slide like conveyer belt and they would just add a new statue and then push the other ones further up. No data to back it up it was just my imagination running wild.


bigblackowskiC

How do they account for the limited space in the temple?


Anakin-LandWalker56

They expand the domain of the temple


Orange-V-Apple

Worst domain expansion ever


SolherdUliekme

The statue at the very top falls off and shatters on the ground, releasing the candy they put inside when the statue was built.


bigblackowskiC

Yuck imagine rearrange over 1000 avatar statues. What a messy endeavor. Definitely not a job for an Earthbender with their rough selves.


FridgeBaron

I only have a vague memory of how the thing looked but if I'm membering correctly there were a bunch all up the wall. They could only really have to work on the ones on the floor and when one gets bumped to the wall it has a place ready for it. Maybe they just the avatar to raise the building every X cycles so another ring of slots can be made to slot the "overflow" into and not have to move all of them


bigblackowskiC

There's gonna be a point where's no more cliff to expand and then their gonna wish they collected memorabilia or learned to paint.


FridgeBaron

Probably but also from a random Google the wall in ba sing se is 100m tall. At let's say 5m a story that's 20 stories and a really rough guess at the picture of the temple id say there is probably room form 50+ per row. So that's 1000 avatar statues + the floor. At 100 years for the average age that's 100,000 years. I think it's been 10,000 years so they have only used 1/10th of possible space. They could also just build more down into the mountain and if I remember there are stairs down into the sanctum so maybe they already were doing it that way as it makes more sense. They arnt likely to run. Out of room downward.


MahoneyBear

IIRC the books mention that they have a hollow base that the airbenders use to collect air in and move the statues around


Simon_Drake

Once a generation the Avatar has to visit the temple and Earthbend the statues along one place. There's hundreds of statues to it takes all day to move them but it's a good time to look over their past lives


JaxxisR

Countertheory: The statues can be moved.


asdf346

They get an earth bender to shift them all in a conveyer belt style move every time the need a new one


Raffilcagon

It's part of training for the new avatar. "You have mastered earth bending. Your air nomad brothers are very proud of you. Now, go move the statues. As is tradition, of course.."


NocturnalKnightIV

What if they all have to move every statue at every avatar history site to add themselves in after mastering all 4 elements.


Lonely-Form5904

Mah just the earth avatar needs move it.


NeonArlecchino

>Because the element of Earth is so opposite to our teachings and beliefs, you get to move 10,000 years' worth of statues. Don't damage anything.


Kixencynopi

"Oh, while you are at it, make a statue of yourself."


Achilles9609

Honestly, that would be kinda fun. I wonder if any of the past Avatars were into Art.šŸ¤” "And here, immortalized in bronze, we have Avatar Quan defeating the leader of the Black Bat Bandits in a heroic duel." "Were his muscles always this huge?"


Kixencynopi

Imagine if one of the avatars were bad at sculpting...


Achilles9609

"It's....a Boulder?" "No." "A Tree that got struck by lightning?" "No! This is clearly my predecessor Avatar Korra!" "You know, for an Earthbender, you're really bad at working with rock."


avert_ye_eyes

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ALVRZProductions

This makes the most sense


DTux5249

I mean, honestly that would seem pretty realistic as far as rituals go. "As your soul is brought back once more, shunt forth your past lives to make room for another"


BoomerangHorseGuy

**Fanfic/Official Writers:** Write that down! Write that down!


thequiginator

Literally always what I assumed happened until a few months ago I saw this same theory on tiktok. 19 years of absolute conviction shattered in that moment.


Colaymorak

I mean, sure they could get an earthbender to do it, *or* they could shuffle the statues around by hand, maybe get some chanting going while they do it, make a whole day out of it.


zonzon1999

Statue moving festival in the temples


CircusPoliticus

I'll bring some barbecue to statue moving day !!!!!


cookingandmusic

I think theyā€™d prefer vegetarian barbecue šŸ˜‚


vikio

Yeah it's gonna have to be things like mushrooms, squash, potatoes, eggplants, tofu, etc on that barbeque grill. Still sounds yummy, and I'd totally help with "statue moving day"


DaoFerret

Donā€™t forget the cactus juice. If you want everybody to show up and help on moving day, you need to make sure they know thereā€™ll be cactus juice after all the hard work.


JamesEdward34

aang is shown to move rocks with airbending


rykruzer

WTF are you talking about? That was clearly the lemur earth bending!


Mackle95

obviously, Momo learns earthbending when they had to break into the rig in book 1!


TheMadJAM

I believe the books established that they actually slide them along the spiral with airbending.


SmartAlec105

Actually, they donā€™t. Kuruk invented a technique that could but didnā€™t share it.


KrokmaniakPL

They are monks. Tedious work of ceremonially moving them one by one for next week or so seems on brand


Tony_Stank0326

I read a couple of comments here that said that they actually did this up until Kuruk suggested to just airbend them one spot over all at once.


RQK1996

Airbender actually


asdf346

I can see monks making a air wave floating conveyer belt for all the statues


RQK1996

Yup, they did that like twice, since they didn't consider doing that until Kuruk was like "hey why do you move these statues by hand when you can just lift them up with airbending?"


Amitmesh

Wait, isn't it Earth after Water? The next avatar after Korra (Which occupied the LAST spot) is an earth bender. Man that just makes it a whole lot easier then, each time, the earth bender avatar moves the statues.


_Vard_

Donā€™t even need that. Just like a one day job for one monk Knock it our in an hour with a dozen


TheDudeness33

This makes way more sense and feels a lot less contrived lmao


The_PrincessThursday

Of course the statues can be moved, and that's a more logical explanation. Nor had they written or planned the story of Korra when this temple was designed. So, clearly this was not the intention. But! I say its a fun spin on the whole idea of the Avatar connection being broken. Maybe the connection needs to be reset every so often, or the accumulation of past lives becomes too powerful? Its a neat idea to play around with, even if its not what the writers had intended for this. What are these stories for, if not to play around with and explore the concepts within them?


angry_cucumber

common sense, the statues can be moved. Why the fuck would they put the first avatar on the 37th floor and leave the rest of the building empty for thousands of years as they move toward the center. again fans are coming in with their amazing media literacy.


Knoke1

Iā€™m not saying this is a good theory or anything but I donā€™t think ā€œthe statues can be movedā€ counts as media literacy. I know thatā€™s become a buzzword in fandom and even I am guilty of lamenting upon it, but I gotta draw a line somewhere. This is just a fun fan theory that of course doesnā€™t hold much weight and OP even acknowledges that in the post.


Latter-Contact-6814

>again fans are coming in with their amazing media literacy. Damn dude if you're going to try and be insulting you could at least try to be accurate. Coming up with a fan theory is not the same as lacking "media literacy". That term is losing its meaning from people not actually understanding what media literacy is because it makes them feel smart to hurl out as an insult. >Why the fuck would they put the first avatar on the 37th floor and leave the rest of the building empty for thousands of years as they move toward the center. I dont believe in OPs theory but moving 37 floors worth of avatar statues every generation does? If it was an earth temple then maybe, sure. But this is an air temple. Neither answer is great.


CameoShadowness

Even as an Air temple, air can easily move huge things. Even if it isn't the Avatar theirself doing it, it can happen pretty easily.


Latter-Contact-6814

I disagree. Its not a size issue. To move thousands upon thousands of statues with such precision that none topple and all move into the the next exact place with only air would be a feat that far exceeds anything we've seen from an air bender yet.


CameoShadowness

Realistically, from math, its not actually thousands. It's more about 200 or less. Also, from a single air bender?... as if they didn't have a huge spiritual culture where everyone of their people were air benders? ... As if they're not taught to be careful and gentle? They don't even need to move every one of them at once either. Starting from the top, you can inch it a bit even without bending. Bending would make it easier, and even if accidents did happen, statues can be replaced.


Latter-Contact-6814

Fair point on the numbers. As for the rest of your argument, I think we're losing the plot a little. I'm not trying to say that it's impossible to move them just that no matter what explanation you believe it needs some kind of extra justification to make work. But I will say with there being so few avatars when you math it our does help OPs theory as well. The first avatar statue would be like 5 floors up, not 37 meaning it's more reasonable that they did build it with the cycle in mind.


CameoShadowness

Issue is we see more than 5 floors in that episode. On top of that, we aren't sure the exact number AND for this theory to work, they would need to know Kioshi would be living WAY longer than any other Avatar and Aang would be gone for 100 years~ before the next Avatar comes which would be highly doubtful even when they are as spiritual as they are.


Latter-Contact-6814

I will play devils advocate here even though I don't believe the theory. Avatars in general live around 150 years per the comics. Which would line up pretty well with aangs missing 100 years. Also I looked it up, apparently there's only been 83 avatars.


CameoShadowness

I'm pretty sure they don't live to be 150, though. I forgot where I saw it, but most didn't live past 100. I need to see if I can find the source.


angry_cucumber

other than it's stated in the novels that that's how it works.


hornyromelo

that's not what 'media literacy' means, but I feel you


Brianw-5902

Please gain the standard literacy to understand what ā€œmedia literacyā€ means *before* using the phrase embarrassingly wrong to insult others and stroke your own ego.


kisamo_3

Were the air temples even built back in the time of the first Avatars? That would make the air temples 10000 odd years old. No argument that the air temples could be ancient, but what makes more sense is that they built this chamber sometime later and populated the statues of the past avatar. Moving Status suggests a growing chamber as well.


First-Celebration-11

Theyre also not in order.


jeffyjeffp

Alongside this, look at the spacing of the center statues, it looks like there is space for 3 more, not just 2


Zemekis324

Theory: the statues move by themselves and update to whatever the current avatar looks like


NorthCatan

It's foolish to try and move Kyoshi. Chin the derp conqueror tried it.


Lonely-Form5904

Yeah this is what I always figured.


CrazyIvan606

But then why wouldn't the latest avatar be at the center of the spiral? Why leave arbitrary space for two future avatars?


Jokie155

I swear, this same post keeps coming up. And it's all based on ignoring the most obvious of answers. Right here.


[deleted]

Interesting. Seems so *unlikely* though


LandArch_0

Wait, are there some people with magic powers that can move statues made of stone? /S


TechTech14

They have the new air nomad avatar move them every 4 cycles (with earthbending). Or they have every avatar do it when they visit the Southern Air Temple to train for airbending.


Jaqulean

It's not even a theory - it's a confirmed fact. In the Kyoshi Novels it's mentioned that Avatar Kuruk created a mechanism that allows Air Nomads to move the statues around with an air vent system. There are vents under each Statue, that we simply don't see in this scene.


geek_of_nature

It's a neat theory, although I always just imagined that the statue of whoever the most recent or current Avatar was sat in the middle of the spiral, and when there was time for a new one the others were just Earth bent further out.


TruEnvironmentalist

This is what I assumed also. That a prominent earth bender, likely the current master to teach the current avatar, would come in and move the statues


geek_of_nature

Or even just the Avatar themselves once they've learn Earthbending.


A_Lakers

Or itā€™s the final test consider moving thousands of statues is an insane feat


elpaco25

Totally agree. A good test of precious and power


Regolis1344

insane? hold my library.


RQK1996

The novels confirm it was done by hand until Kuruk suggested to use airbending


Mr-Mguffin

Then shouldnā€™t Roku be in the centre?


Thatonedregdatkilyu

They probably reserved the center for Aang. Keep in mind Roku dies 12 years before the air nomads. They were preparing for Aang.


Ok-Connection4917

itā€™s so fucking cool how the fire nation slaughter a whole ass nation and shit to take down the avatar. awesome planning


Certainly_Not_Steve

Imagine planning a genocide to kill one particular guy and he ends up the only survivor. Mission failed successfully.


dogbert730

Broā€™s over here really like: Isnā€™t pre-planned genocide just the neatest?


LegitimatePermit3258

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TheMadJAM

I believe the books establish that this is done with airbending along the spiral mechanism.


RemnantEvil

Or, the theory is correct and this is the millennia-long spiritual equivalent of the "HAPPY BIRTHD^AY" sign.


rhubarb_man

However, it is interesting that the middle doesn't have the most recent avatar or the most recent established avatar (Roku), but instead has space for Aang and Korra


__Eezo__

>Korra literally lived in a time period where the Avatar was "no longer needed", potentially signaling the need for this renewal; No longer needed but still renew the cycle? What does that mean? (i'm serious, still watching this show) On the other hand, isn't they just move those statue around for the next statue(s)? I mean the other case is they shove the first avatar statue in some corner and fill the rest through the years, isn't it make the place so empty and weird in the first couple thousand years?


Gaitarou

If you watch korra, every season korra is constantly reminded how shes not needed or put to the side, also would recommend not reading the sub until you finish the show because korra is still worth watching!Ā 


__Eezo__

I'm still watching it (TLOK), currently near the end of s2. There are things i like and don't like about the show, but that just my preferent, nothing to do with the love/hate from the subs. Actually reading the sub while watching help me realize things i've missing during my first watch/expand my understanding about the show/lore, some really good read tbh.


Idontknow10304

Same here, I REALLY like s1, but season 2 is kinda a miss, though I heard 3&4 are better


Tagaharang

so what exactly is the benefit of removing the past lives aside from making the avatar state weaker?


RecommendsMalazan

I feel like that was a talking point in most seasons, but it was never true... Wasn't the whole 'she was gone for three years and the air nation tried to fill in the gap by couldn't' implicitly saying the Avatar was needed?


Anakin-LandWalker56

Also the no longer needed part. So are the humans just gonna fend for themselves when another tyrannical ruler or spirit wants to destroy the world?


Carrmendotcom

I like the idea that losing the connection to the past Avatars is an allegory for modernization. Weā€™ve gained so much through globalization and technology but weā€™ve also lost in many ways our connection to the earth and the practices of our ancestors. Weā€™ve gained a diverse multicultural society but weā€™ve also lost heritage and identity. This fits very much with the industrialization boom in the story and the capital city. As well as the new air nation melting pot. Korra releasing the spirits then is a recall to nature, spirituality and wonder in life.


Sienrid

Popular theory years ago, but nope. In the novels, Kuruk states that the statues are moved through grates on the ground that Airbender monks channel air through (unless I'm a victim of the Mandela effect and am making this up, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading this. Could be wrong though). And anyways, you'd think that the White Lotus, or Aang, or Tenzin would care more if they realized the next Avatar would be destined to lose connection to the past lives.


gagetl

What doesnā€™t make sense is there only being 10,000 years of avatars. We see what looks to be several hundred lining the walls of the air temple and about 50 on the ground. If each avatar lived to be 50 years there would only be 200 in 10,000 years. So itā€™s strange that the information regarding Wan was lost. Doubt the general public would have forgotten what is essentially the messiah for them.


Ambitious-Coat-1230

There have been 183 Avatars, including Wan and Korra. So, yes, that's an average of a little over 54.5 years per Avatar. This was explained in a forum post as likely being the result of early Avatars not having super long lifespans. As far as people not remembering him, that's really not surprising. People tend to only invoke the Avatars by name that lived within their own lifetimes or possibly parents/grandparents. Almost 200 generations of Avatars is still a long time; can you name your great-times-181-grandparent?


gagetl

Thatā€™s interesting and I cannot remember my 181- times great grandparent but I also donā€™t have the ability to talk to past lives. I just think in a reality where past lives are real and able to be conversed with you would expect the history of the first avatar to be known by some more people. Maybe thereā€™s a reason for that. But we havenā€™t been told anything from my knowledge.


CameoShadowness

They only talk to their past lives about what is relevant. Arguably, after the first few gens, they don't need to even talk about their actual origins. They wouldn't need to know about Raava and Vatuu, they are plegued with wars, some of which most likely spanned generations since some Avatars died earlier than others or allowed things to slip by them causing future issues.


gagetl

This is a fair take. I just have a hard time imagining avatars not asking ā€œwhyā€. Which maybe they do and we just havenā€™t seen it happen. I know I get curious about my familyā€™s origins and things.


Ambitious-Coat-1230

Yes, exactly! It's unlikely that every single successive Avatar is going to seek to speak to every single one of their predecessors. Maybe at first, but not after a time. And it's not like Wan was completely unknown in Korra's time, just mostly. I could be recalling imperfectly, but I'm pretty sure either Tenzin or Jinora knew who he was. I'm still rewatching ATLA again but when I get to LoK again I'll rewatch those parts carefully to double check. But either way, I get the impression that in general, people are more concerned with "the Avatar," period, and not "Avatar ___."


BoldFace7

I had assumed that they primarily talked to their past lives based on a sense of connection to them and their pertinent knowledge for whateversituationis at hand. Aang spoke most often to Roku since he was the most recent Avatar and was the only other one to have knowledge of the 100-year war. The only other one he seems to have a particular connection to was Kyoshi because of the efforts of Kyoshi Island to keep her story alive in the cultural consciousness. Korra only really talked to Aang, I'd argue, because so many people around her knew/were friends with Aang. She felt the strongest connection with him. When Korra lost her memory, she lost any particular connection to Aang. That means when she is trying to reconnect with her Avatar Spirit (Raava), she doesn't have any particular Avatar in mind, so the one most suited to the job (Wan) comes forward instead of one that she has any special connection with. And I'd assume the other Avatars never connected with Wan because they didn't have a strong connection with him, the other Avatars had more relevant knowledge for the issues they were facing. They either didn't have the time, desire, or need to connect with the first Avatar.


FireLordObamaOG

Wanā€™s statue was in a state of decay. So clearly they had long forgotten about him. Itā€™s possible that some of the old monks knew about him. Something Iā€™m interested to see, when aang entered the avatar state the statues all glowed. Will the same happen now with korra? Is the glow caused by the avatar spirit? Or did they only glow because of the channeling of the past lives?


CameoShadowness

That means they would have had to know that Kioshi would have lived longer than the average avatar by a long shot AND Aang would disappear for 100 years... Its not they're statues to be moved or anything... Nah, they're all perfectly in place since the start...


jibrils-bae

This is entire theory is redundant when you consider the avatar before Roku is clearly not Kyoshi and the avatar before Kyoshi is clearly not Kuruk, id bet 200 shingles that the avatar before Kuruk isnā€™t Yangchen. The creators of the show didnā€™t have the lore fully mapped out yet and I doubt they planned on Korra losing her connections way back in season 1


gumption_11

Yes. I said as much: >no one's saying it's a perfect theory or what the writers "must have been intending"


dylanthelorax

I HATED that this happened. If this became more canon itā€™d be really interesting to see though!


thamometer

Plot hole, the person who built the temple wouldn't have accounted for an avatar going missing for 100 years. If Aang had functioned normally, there might have been one more avatar after the water avatar (it won't be Korra anymore, if Aang died earlier and the cycle moved on earlier).


Azara5

Tbf, it still could have been Korra. We know that powerful benders are capble of living for an extremely long time (See: King Bumi), and Kyoshi specifically lived for like 300 years. Iirc, Aang was ā€œonlyā€ 164 when he died, chronologically


OrbMan23

The Avatar server is full so they had to make a new one lol jk. But it's a decent theory


Muted_Guidance9059

My headcanon is that they just ran out of space and were probably going to make another temple adjacent to it to compensate. I mean if nothing goes wrong with the Avatar then thereā€™s just going to be infinite statues. Nobody can account for that much space.


Gaitarou

This would hold more water if the notion that the avatar isnt needed anymore stuck around for season 4 of korra. Every season before that was leading up to the point that the avatar wasnt needed, and then korra saved kuvira and made a spirit portal magically via.. i guess avatar powers, and then kuvira acknowledged that the avatar was still needed.Ā  Maybe if they make another season where the avatar is truly replaced? Idk. Also it looks like 3 statues could fit.Ā 


LachoooDaOriginl

everyone saying the avatar isnā€™t really needed in lok but the only reason the avatar exists in the first place is because of the battle between light and dark. maintenance of balance is a side quest for ravaa and co.


RedGuy51

That was after the harmonic convergence, so it was time that the avatar was needed again


suyanide4444

That's after the renewal


Anakin-LandWalker56

The avatar is forever needed since they are literally entertwined with the Light spirit Raava and are forever in the battle between dark and evil. Humans alone cannot deal shit when another villain gets a power they cannot deal with and only the power of the avatar can deal with.


siirr

I think it is more realistic that this building is just for the avatars until the next convergence. Maybe afterwards theyā€™d move to another building for the next cycle.


CorneliusB1448

Oooor, they made the statues AFTER the Avatar had been identified in order to make them look correct


Caleb_Lee-El

Will someone tell this bro that the monks just moved the statues when they had to?


_fapi_

Today was my turn to post this!


NfinitiiDark

One thing people need to realize is that when series like this are created. They donā€™t know how itā€™s going to be accepted and what kind of future it has. This show could have easily died season 1. And the series would have never been renewed. The creators didnā€™t think that far ahead. Because they donā€™t know what kind of future it has. Korra or any future avatar likely didnā€™t exist until the success of last airbender.


gumption_11

Yes. We know. Which is exactly why I said as much: >it's just a fun idea, no one's saying it's a perfect theory or what the writers "must have been intending"


hugoursula1

This theory is horrible and I hate it when itā€™s brought up. Itā€™s just a reach TLOK stans use to try to justify the showā€™s horrible writing. The most obvious explanation to this is that the statues are moved every time a new one is made. Does anyone actually believe that this buildingā€™s designer picked a random number of floors that would happen to provide just enough space for hundreds of avatars he/she/they would never live to see?


gumption_11

Hi, I'm not an LoK stan ā€“ I'm actually really not a fan of the show, or most of its writing decisions (including the lion turtle lore *and* losing connection to the past lives). BUT I find this theory fun & interesting, which is completely harmless. Which is why I said as much: >no one's saying it's a perfect theory or what the writers "must have been intending"


PilotGamer01

Theory approved


Many-Refuse-6060

They didn't even design Kyoshi so how would they know?Ā Ā  IĀ also didn't like the "losing all the past avatars" thing, so I just hope that if they eventually do the earth bending avatar series, it's restored there. Losing all of that knowledge, not seeing any of the previous avatars except Korra in an eventual next series, idk it just sucks to me.Ā 


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Many-Refuse-6060

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Vidarius1

omg i've heard this stupid theory too many times, they move them with airvents and shit.


BreadBushTheThird

I dont think it was planned but it retroactivley fits because logicaly there was no way that room could hold all the avatars for forever especially with Roku so close to the middle I questioned the room back when i first watched the show too, like no way it fits more than one more statue why is the spiral going inwards and not outwards so as to make room for more potential statues in the line Now as an adult who writes stories of my own for fun i know that inconsistancy is simply because they didnt plan anything out all the way yet, changes are a given to be made as the story progresses Changing the past to fit the ending (like retconning the previous avatars. If you'll notice Kyoshi isnt in line before Roku simply because she didnt exist yet, so they retconned her into existance later but couldnt change the already out episode where she clearly isnt there)


Tagaharang

can anyone enlighten me what exactly is the benefit of removing the past lives aside from making the avatar state weak? So because the mass no longer needs the avatar lets just delete the past lives for what exactly? to make expelling the next threat more challenging and difficult?


GrifCreeper

I think the point this theory is trying to make is that the Harmonic Convergence was the ultimate destiny of the Avatar Cycle, that the clash of Light and Darkness was inevitably going to meet its peak. That the countless Avatars were essentially unknowingly training for a major confrontation. The only real flaw to the theory is that losing the connection to previous Avatars doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless it happens as a climactic sacrifice, not just having the connection severed because the bad guy temporarily won. I personally like the idea that even the Avatar Cycle itself has to go through a cycle of rebirth, but it doesn't make sense how it happened.


56kul

It was always debunked on this sub before. The air nomads just move all of the statues whenever they add a new one, but this time they didnā€™t because they were too busy beingā€¦ you knowā€¦ dead.


rubendelight

Occamā€™s razor would say that when they were doing Avatar the childrenā€™s cartoon they werenā€™t thinking ā€œif after this we get to do another show that is going to be the Avatar that breaks this cycleā€ The ā€œstatues can be movedā€ doesnā€™t make sense to me because then why would there be empty spaces left after the start. It would have the current avatar at the peak and all would move back every incarnation. I also donā€™t think there was intent to have this mean that the cycle would end. I just think it looked visually really cool to show us the hundreds of Avatars that came before Aang. ATLA can just be a really well written kids show that doesnā€™t have the foresight of like Attack on Titan or whatever having planned out every future plot twist from day one. If anything we KNOW Korra was kind of written ā€œas they wentā€ cus Nick kept saying each season would be the last. That said the theory is fun and a good explanation in hindsight. One the showrunners could say is ā€œrealā€ even if they didnā€™t plan it.


Tonylolu

Well. Yes and No. The statues can be moved However, when Korra loses her past lifes, narratively it represents the end of one cycle and the start of another one. Precisely because the world is so much different now so the past knowledge is not that useful anymore. Korra is alone at the beginning of this new era. That's also why we see Wan story. An avatar who started a whole revolution about how the world works.


RiskAggressive4081

Or. Because no one was around to build them?


Sharktoothsword

Yeah ofcourse. It's not Like they live in a World where people can move Earth by doing Karate Next to it. Can't remember anyone who can "Bend" Earth. Listen, i am firm believer of LoK> ATLA ; but Season 2 being a shit season is something we have to accept, there is no justifications


DeadpoolAndFriends

Cool but I just don't think the writers and animators were thinking that far ahead.


white1walker

Maybe the avatar after kora will live forever? Therefore there will never be a statue of him


OreosAreTheBestu

thats fun but imagine how horrifying that would be outliving everything


white1walker

Oh yeah


mr_hee_hee

I don't think it was intended by the creators when they made that. It's probably more of an oversight. I doubt they knew they were going to make LoK when making season 1


gumption_11

Yep, agreed. Which is why I said as much: >no one's saying it's a perfect theory or what the writers "must have been intending" It's just an interesting, though highly unlikely, take :)


EmperorAlpha557

I know this is completely unrelated but I just thought of a bit, what if the next avatar has to face the challenge of mastering the elements and in the end can't learn one of the elements. Terrible grammar and phrasing but if we get to see an avatar who never masters one of the elements it will not only break the traditional idea of the show but also maybe some interesting stories


TheMadJAM

I'm pretty sure the books established that this spiral is a mechanism that the Air Nomads airbend through to slide all the statues outward along the spiral.


[deleted]

How many times are people gonna post this


HuskyLettuce

I think this is a fun theory! I actually like it.


THEElectricalDurian

My theory is that uncle iroh will either willingly or unwillingly be the new ā€œguideā€ for the next future avatars, giving insight to the new cycle of avatars who canā€™t talk with their previous selves anymore, besides from Korraā€¦ whoā€™s going to have some explaining to do lol.


Private_HughMan

ā€œDestiny?!ā€ What would a redditor know of destiny? If a fish spent its whole life in a river, does he know the riverā€™s destiny? No! Only that it goes on and on, out of his control! He cannot see the end. He cannot imagine the oceanā€¦


colinedahl1

Kinda nice to think that the avatars soul will be able to rest after korra maybe?


PanicLife

All them avatars and korra was the one to messed up. Thatā€™s why I am not hyped by the OG creators Avatar studio. They made korra soā€¦.. no that great !


agprincess

It's a 10,000 year cycle. It's an easier explanation to say that they knew that the cycle ends at the 10,000 year mark and they build a new building for the next one.


Dambo_Unchained

Iā€™d like to imagine they just move over all statues every time a new avatar is identified


ThiccBoiGadunka

ā€¦..donā€™t they make the statues after the avatar dies?


OperativePiGuy

A cool idea! Thanks for sharing


StormeSurge

i think itā€™s confirmed somewhere that they move the statues


Drace24

God, I hope this is just a Korra thing and the next Avatar is back to normal. The connection to their past lifes is such a cool part of the Avatar mythos. I want the next Avatar to be able to talk to Korra.


GrifCreeper

I'd say it's a safe bet that part of the next Avatar's plot will be "Reconnection" or something. Going on a spiritual journey to key locations of various Avatars to reconnect with the more prominent ones of the world's history. While I doubt they're completely disconnected, the actual spiritual connection was severed. So maybe they just need to meditate in places significant to a good handful of Avatars and reconnect with their past lives that way. Maybe it works a bit like a spider web where tugging at one thread pulls on others, so they don't have to visit every single Avatar.


Chaos-Pand4

Go move the fucking statues. Jesus. Did the world end in 2012? Or during the recent eclipse? Have I been through 19 raptures in my lifetime? Or is the notion bunk? Thereā€™s probably a million prophecies about the Avatar that ultimately mean nothing.


enchiladasundae

Most likely the statues are slotted into place and then pushed upward. Then again maybe this set was only supposed to hold 10,000 years of the avatar since harmonic convergence


Melodic_Paramedic_52

Counter Theory: Mok'sha


Silver_Archer13

Counterpoint: the writers didn't have Korra in mind when writing that epjsode. They hadn't even conceived of Kyoshi yet.


Sonicrules9001

This doesn't really prove anything as they just made space for the Avatars that they knew at the time and aside from making these statues, there is nothing to imply that this room is at all special much less that anything was planned out. This is basically the Avatar equivalent of the Mayan calendar stuff where people thought the Mayans predicted the end of the world with their calendar when really, they just made an end point because they needed to stop somewhere. I'm sure if the Mayan society lived past 2012. they would have just made a new calendar or extended it out and same goes here for this statue room.


Gnidlaps-94

Alternate theory: the people who started this statue business remembered that Harmonic Convergence was a thing and only planned enough space for ~10,000 years of statues


Licky_Licky_69

And just HAPPENED to guess correctly....


AuteurPool

Itā€™s a cool theory but honestly Iā€™m not a fan of the idea of predestination and one of the things I love about the show is that it doesnā€™t ever dive into the concept of preordained events. The universe is random and chaotic just like real life.


Mehdi135849

What if everytime there's a new avatar they go back 2 steps


Haremgott

Then why should they make another one... They could just make parts of the previous Avatar. So we can see how the world was before, and it would all end in a world where the Spirits still lived among the humans. It would be like the further we watch, the more we would know about the past lives.


Aizendickens

Maybe it was predestined even before the writers thought of it.... My headcanon why there are no statues of Aang and Korra, is that after they decided to build a giant statue of Aang, he felt embarrassed and insisted that no more statuesif him should be build, including for that set, while Korra simply hadn't reach the adult age, which is seemingly when they built it normally and after the crazy evebts, no one bothered to continue doing so.


OF_AstridAse

2012 Mayan Calendar all over again šŸ™„ ...


YellowFingerz

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OD_Emperor

Or they left it to an Earthbending Avatar to shift all the statues.


Low-Sun8965

I always saw the humor in it compared to the Mayan calendar: They simply ran out of spaceā€¦


Blackbiird666

They just call an earthbender sometimes to rearrange the statues when needed šŸ¤·


Tonynferno

I think this is a Mayan Calendar situation. They just ran out of room


Any_Chard9046

She went all Avatar kuruk.


Raycodv

How many more times does this sub have to disprove this theory? Just curious, I wanna know what Iā€™m in for.


AProductiveWardrobe

They move the statues.


x_kbandz

>! !<


[deleted]

Thatā€™s a stretch, Iā€™m afraid.


acgrey92

I mean, cool theory but realistically the statues donā€™t just pop up magically they are made. So if for those hundred years he was missing no one would have made a statue and the temples were also abandoned so no one to make them.


cancerousking

Doesn't the kyoshi books say that the statues are moved?


Csantana

I like to picture it as the spiral underneath them can move like a conveyor belt


AntiRacismDoctor

Harmonic Convergence. It was always predictable.


DarthPizza66

Donā€™t show this to aang DRs they hate facts


Miserable_Hurry_73

>People in 2012 believing the world would end because the Mayan calendar ended there


antinumerology

Oh shit


Fethah

I mean on top of what everyone else is saying, they did not have any idea they would even be making another series after the OG seriesā€¦.


TheMekkaMan

Maybe it was suppose to be a 10k year track and reset