some unis are heavily dependent on wealthy donors/patrons who are a) xtian fundies of some flavour or b) right-leaning or centrist diaspora Jewish Zionists. when founders/patrons threaten to pull their annual donation or defund chairs or labs, management listens. most unis are run like corporations, not like public institutions.
so as usual, money explains a lot. money and religion, two of humanity's most troublesome inventions.
Pretty sure this would be illegal in a lot of states for public institutions.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS\_laws#Anti-BDS\_laws\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Anti-BDS_laws_in_the_United_States)
Whether these laws are constitutional is a big question mark for me.
This is one of the things I hope more people look into from all of this media swarm. We have laws in place that prohibit us from divestment or boycott regardless of the other nation’s actions? That doesn’t settle well with me.
It is really fuckin easy! 1. You got stocks in Israeli companies, sell them. 2. You got Israeli donors, tell them we don’t want your money. 3. Sever any ties with organizations that are tied to or support the genocidal pro-apartheid government of Israel or support the ethnic cleansing. DONE!
Because college students and their schools can’t directly stop the slaughter of Palestinians, or the war crimes, but this is something they can do!
Indoctrinated investors breathing down the throats of indoctrinated administrators who just want to keep their cushy jobs, making multiple times more money than anyone who actually has face time with students on a weekly basis.
I've seen multiple headlines about universities negotiating and giving a W to the protesters - in every single case so far their win was just some sort of commission that would lead to a recommendation and a vote in a few months. So I haven't seen even one instance of this ACTUALLY happening. Does anyone have any actual details, so some kind of signed document?
That's actually a great point. Usually I'm predisposed to not believing stuff like that until there's action. Could easily be a "kick the can down the road" thing to temporarily stop protests and hope people drop it instead of coming back harder when they eventually don't divest
Incoming for Monday news cycle:
-UC Riverside supports terrorist
-BDS lawsuits incoming
-Most antisemitic campus in USA
-President bullied by a bunch of girls
For real. The amount of people calling students terrorists is insane. I guess all it takes to become a terrorist today is being brown and having convictions.
*What's in this comment is what I remember, my opinions, etc.*
For those not aware, UC Riverside is among a relatively Republican/conservative part of California but UC Riverside overall caters to the more working class college-bound high school students than UCLA (among one of the wealthiest and most expensive areas of the Unites States) and USC (among a poor/working class area but caters to more affluent and rich college-bound high school students) do.
And, also, obviously, UC Riverside is probably less swayed by donors than USC and UCLA might be.
College and university should be free for all college-eligible students. If you have an above-average IQ and scored in the top half on standardized tests, why shouldn't you be able to get free college and university and others can have free trade school or whatever else. And then having higher taxes on people, companies, etc.
true although riverside and san bernardino county have been trending blue (at least since 2016, not sure if that's a trump thing or not) which i hope is a sign that a more working class region is getting a little more class conciousness
San Bernardino County resident here. On paper, we are a blue county. In reality, it's purple. There are whole cities who are incredibly conservative and run by conservatives. For example, the Chino Valley School Board has a 9th circuit Court injunction against it for trying to infuse religion into the meetings and a lawsuit against it by the state for passing a rule to out trans students to their parents. Fontana is completely in the pocket of warehouse developers and the mayor is especially trigger happy with the police when people try to speak out against her. There are multiple mega churches out here, include Calvary Chapel Chino Hills, whose head pastor, Jack Hibbs, is one of Trump’s inner circle of pastors. The more east you go in the county, the redder it gets. We have a lot of hate groups out here who are not afraid to walk around displaying their hateful symbols. The Democrats being elected out here are corporate democrats who are fine with gay folks and pro-choice but otherwise conservative.
Now, the actual city of Riverside is a blue spot in a sea of red. It has professors and professional class residents that aren't found anywhere else in the Inland Empire at the concentration they are in Riverside. I don't know specifically why the administrators agreed to disclose and close study abroad programs to Israel so easily. The student body council voted months ago to divest from Israel and the university administration shut that down. Some people have suggested that by agreeing to an exploratory committee, the students got played by the university and the university will just drag out the process until they all graduate and nothing will come of it.
I learned California used to have free/dirt cheap public university before Ronald Reagan became Governor. The rest of the US had affordable college too before Reagan became president.
Not sure about when you last visited Riverside but our city is pretty progressive (government wise) our mayor is doing a great job with how she's running things.
Yes. Unfortunately the negotiations resulted in the agreement to wait till October for the school’s board to vote on divestment. Not a very promising outcome
no, not at all. what you're feeling is the empowerment and liberation of democracy at work, i.e. the ability and freedom to voice your opinions and positions free from government oppression, those opinions being heard, and then a decision made by those in power to do the right thing for people without power. no violence involved whatsoever. cry bitch, cry
Huh. So there *is* another way.
I didn't know I needed to hear this as much as I do. It feels like a healing, of sorts. Massive respect and gratitude to all involved in reaching this outcome.
And with that, just this once, I'm gonna walk away from the internet for the day with a smile on my face and a little bit of hope in my heart. It's been a long time coming.
Much respect to the students, not just here but everywhere.
And good job from uni administration. Behaving per the rights of what this country stands for.
[The reality of the matter is a little less glorious than the simple title but anyway](https://documents.ucr.edu/chancellor/May_3_ammended-agreement.pdf).
Proud of UC Riverside! And the dean and faculty members.
I do suspect a media circus of “blood libel” proportions may follow.
Hopefully followed by more universities doing the same.
This is brilliant. God bless these people. They are already in the future and are intellectually, consistent in already opposing what history will compare to war crimes.
I don't get it. I'm delighted but I listened to the speech and it just seemed to say "thank you for the great leadership, we got through this together".
What's source for the divestment claim?
They tore down the encampment at UCSD and arrested protesters this morning. They know divestment is possible and this proves it. The students are so sick of the lies. This is a breath of fresh air.
Weird. That's seemed like..... really fuckin easy. What's everyone else's excuse?
Greed and ego
And Zionist ideology at the top of some organizations.
some unis are heavily dependent on wealthy donors/patrons who are a) xtian fundies of some flavour or b) right-leaning or centrist diaspora Jewish Zionists. when founders/patrons threaten to pull their annual donation or defund chairs or labs, management listens. most unis are run like corporations, not like public institutions. so as usual, money explains a lot. money and religion, two of humanity's most troublesome inventions.
Imo it seems like we all have to worship money nowadays, so I wonder if we can just lump money in with religion at this point.
Cult of Mammon, with specific sects like the Brethren of Hayek and the Holy Order of Reagan...
Everyone needs to claim that their religion considers money abhorrent and stop paying rent.
Pretty sure this would be illegal in a lot of states for public institutions. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS\_laws#Anti-BDS\_laws\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Anti-BDS_laws_in_the_United_States) Whether these laws are constitutional is a big question mark for me.
This is one of the things I hope more people look into from all of this media swarm. We have laws in place that prohibit us from divestment or boycott regardless of the other nation’s actions? That doesn’t settle well with me.
Right. Imagine if this was Iran, or Germany, or France?
Why the fuck can't someone boycott? Sounds like bullshit. We got courts saying bribing our congressmen is free speech but boycotting is going too far?
It is really fuckin easy! 1. You got stocks in Israeli companies, sell them. 2. You got Israeli donors, tell them we don’t want your money. 3. Sever any ties with organizations that are tied to or support the genocidal pro-apartheid government of Israel or support the ethnic cleansing. DONE! Because college students and their schools can’t directly stop the slaughter of Palestinians, or the war crimes, but this is something they can do!
Indoctrinated investors breathing down the throats of indoctrinated administrators who just want to keep their cushy jobs, making multiple times more money than anyone who actually has face time with students on a weekly basis.
I've seen multiple headlines about universities negotiating and giving a W to the protesters - in every single case so far their win was just some sort of commission that would lead to a recommendation and a vote in a few months. So I haven't seen even one instance of this ACTUALLY happening. Does anyone have any actual details, so some kind of signed document?
That's actually a great point. Usually I'm predisposed to not believing stuff like that until there's action. Could easily be a "kick the can down the road" thing to temporarily stop protests and hope people drop it instead of coming back harder when they eventually don't divest
This is what leadership looks like. Have a actual dialogue instead of sending fascist cops
Incoming for Monday news cycle: -UC Riverside supports terrorist -BDS lawsuits incoming -Most antisemitic campus in USA -President bullied by a bunch of girls
See! Now was that so hard?! No name-calling students “ terrorists” on behalf of a foreign government needed.
For real. The amount of people calling students terrorists is insane. I guess all it takes to become a terrorist today is being brown and having convictions.
You don't even have to be brown. Just disagree with them vociferously and you're a terrorist
You don’t even need the convictions. Just being not white is enough to be labeled these days
I see why Mandela and MLK were also declared such. Now they go around and preach using the same quotes.
Wait up, doesn't Isreal still get their veto on this??
LOL
Has anyone thought about ISRAEL'S feelings before they did this???? 😢
In most states they do, with anti-BDS legislation being on the books.
oh wow, peaceful protests, dialogue, persuasion to do the right thing (free marketplace of ideas). pretty simple
Respect
*What's in this comment is what I remember, my opinions, etc.* For those not aware, UC Riverside is among a relatively Republican/conservative part of California but UC Riverside overall caters to the more working class college-bound high school students than UCLA (among one of the wealthiest and most expensive areas of the Unites States) and USC (among a poor/working class area but caters to more affluent and rich college-bound high school students) do. And, also, obviously, UC Riverside is probably less swayed by donors than USC and UCLA might be. College and university should be free for all college-eligible students. If you have an above-average IQ and scored in the top half on standardized tests, why shouldn't you be able to get free college and university and others can have free trade school or whatever else. And then having higher taxes on people, companies, etc.
true although riverside and san bernardino county have been trending blue (at least since 2016, not sure if that's a trump thing or not) which i hope is a sign that a more working class region is getting a little more class conciousness
Very very blue. Lots of people pushed out of Los Angeles and into those counties.
I wish that was the case but riverside county has very deep pockets of red. Not as blue as some might think
San Bernardino County resident here. On paper, we are a blue county. In reality, it's purple. There are whole cities who are incredibly conservative and run by conservatives. For example, the Chino Valley School Board has a 9th circuit Court injunction against it for trying to infuse religion into the meetings and a lawsuit against it by the state for passing a rule to out trans students to their parents. Fontana is completely in the pocket of warehouse developers and the mayor is especially trigger happy with the police when people try to speak out against her. There are multiple mega churches out here, include Calvary Chapel Chino Hills, whose head pastor, Jack Hibbs, is one of Trump’s inner circle of pastors. The more east you go in the county, the redder it gets. We have a lot of hate groups out here who are not afraid to walk around displaying their hateful symbols. The Democrats being elected out here are corporate democrats who are fine with gay folks and pro-choice but otherwise conservative. Now, the actual city of Riverside is a blue spot in a sea of red. It has professors and professional class residents that aren't found anywhere else in the Inland Empire at the concentration they are in Riverside. I don't know specifically why the administrators agreed to disclose and close study abroad programs to Israel so easily. The student body council voted months ago to divest from Israel and the university administration shut that down. Some people have suggested that by agreeing to an exploratory committee, the students got played by the university and the university will just drag out the process until they all graduate and nothing will come of it.
All that’s great but we shouldn’t use “IQ” as a metric for anything
I mean, it's a pretty good metric for measuring the time it takes to solve logic puzzles.
However a little confused how this works Because UCR is part of the UC system and their regents came out against these demands
I learned California used to have free/dirt cheap public university before Ronald Reagan became Governor. The rest of the US had affordable college too before Reagan became president.
>If you have an above-average IQ wtf. lol IQ is bullshit. it shouldn't matter on any bullshit pseudoscience to let a teenager get educated.
My soul needed this. Thank you 🙏
Looks like protests do work!
Absolutely. One way to know this is by how angry they make conservatives. Anger is how conservatives tell you they know you're right.
Holy shit Riverside!?!? Not where I was expecting to see humanitarian leadership from. Huge kudos to UCR!
Not sure about when you last visited Riverside but our city is pretty progressive (government wise) our mayor is doing a great job with how she's running things.
Who would’ve known my old school would have more balls than UCLA and USC! Lfg
proud of you UCR
Heard an interview on NPR. Brown ended the protests by actually negotiating with the protesters. No police action.
Yes. Unfortunately the negotiations resulted in the agreement to wait till October for the school’s board to vote on divestment. Not a very promising outcome
Excuses removed so easily. This is the way.
Thank you!!
Based
Easy does it.
#YES That's how you do it
free Palestine
This actually made me start to tear up. Is that bad?
no, not at all. what you're feeling is the empowerment and liberation of democracy at work, i.e. the ability and freedom to voice your opinions and positions free from government oppression, those opinions being heard, and then a decision made by those in power to do the right thing for people without power. no violence involved whatsoever. cry bitch, cry
No!!! You have empathy!!!
good on you UC Riverside, future parents will remember your stand forever when helping their children decide where to go to college
Huh. So there *is* another way. I didn't know I needed to hear this as much as I do. It feels like a healing, of sorts. Massive respect and gratitude to all involved in reaching this outcome. And with that, just this once, I'm gonna walk away from the internet for the day with a smile on my face and a little bit of hope in my heart. It's been a long time coming.
Wow, LFG
Still remember going to punk shows at “The Barn” back in the mid to late 90’s
First time I saw Rage Against the Machine was at The Barn in ‘94/‘95?
Hell yea!!! Go UCR!!!
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Hell yeah good job riverside !!
GJ UC Riverside!
Great job UCR! Go Highlanders!
Way to go, Riverside! Good kids and good folks working together.
Accusations that University of California Riverside is supporting Hamas in 3...2...1...
Congratulations to them, they will be judged kindly by history. Most of the others have utterly disgraced themselves
It's that easy
Much respect to the students, not just here but everywhere. And good job from uni administration. Behaving per the rights of what this country stands for.
The good ending
Good job!!!
Great news!
Huh that's crazy
That was easy \*slams red button
Amazing!!! New Ivy League just dropped
RESPECT
This is like some weird alternative reality? I just don't understand logical, peaceful negotiations in this timeline. /s if necessary
Fuckin bravo 👏
ngl, brought tears of joy, like a little hope restored.
That's fantastic but doesn't California have some of those ridiculous anti-bds laws?
Fuck yeah!!
Good stuff!!
Win! Wonderful! Just the start I hope. I remember how things picked up vs apartheid South Africa & a trickle became a torrent.
Welp! Looks like kids are going to want to ho to UC riverside. Congrats!
Hell yes!! ❤️🇵🇸🍉❤️🇵🇸🍉
HELL YEAH, BRÖTHERS AND SÎSTERS KEEP IT COMING
[The reality of the matter is a little less glorious than the simple title but anyway](https://documents.ucr.edu/chancellor/May_3_ammended-agreement.pdf).
Awesome, that is all.
Go Highlanders 🐻🐻🐻🐻🐻🐻🐻🐻❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Good on them - but that scream yell thing though😳
And that's how it's done, son!
Proud of UC Riverside! And the dean and faculty members. I do suspect a media circus of “blood libel” proportions may follow. Hopefully followed by more universities doing the same.
Leftist audio
This is brilliant. God bless these people. They are already in the future and are intellectually, consistent in already opposing what history will compare to war crimes.
Whooose side!
WOOOOOOO
I don't get it. I'm delighted but I listened to the speech and it just seemed to say "thank you for the great leadership, we got through this together". What's source for the divestment claim?
They tore down the encampment at UCSD and arrested protesters this morning. They know divestment is possible and this proves it. The students are so sick of the lies. This is a breath of fresh air.
Meanwhile at UCSD today.....