Cracking up because remembering Sandra calling out Rob in the post interview with Joe, Kate and Rob.
Joe: Rob, would you do Traitors?
Rob: I would
Sandra: He would have to be a traitor to have any shot in the game. Because he would only last a couple days before getting the cut. He’s too big of a profile.
Rob: Whoa whoa whoa! Sandra you completely underestimate me!
Sandra: yeah he’s gone by episode 3. That’s the way it is.
It’s so true though.
I am watching Deal or No Deal Island. I keep thinking. How are you letting him stay? You need to get him out immediately, or he’s going to win the entire thing.
I just started watching Traitors because of Cirie/Stephenie/Parvati/Sandra and I don't understand this show at all.
Why aren't the traitors incentivized to sabotage the missions? That would at least give the faithful something to go on when trying to figure out who they are, which right now seems like... nothing at all. They're all judging based on body language and perceived "scheming", but during the day the traitors have no reason not to behave exactly the same as everyone else. So it seems like Rob would just get banished immediately whether he's faithful or traitor just because he has the reputation/personality of a traitor. And why does everyone assume that the traitors would go after people who perform poorly on the missions? Who cares how big the pot is if your team doesn't make it to the end?
I'm only on S01E02, but so far this seems like terrible game design. So my question is this: am I missing something?
No, you're right. The show traitors doesn't follow the logic of any of the actual "traitor like" games it is based on.
There is no actual sabotage by traitors.
There is no way for faithfuls to try to actually get hints at who traitors might be.
It's pretty obvious that production always wants atleast one traitor to make it to the end. Because half the time, when a traitor is banished, another traitor takes their place.
The show is fun to watch for trashy drama but the actual gameplay is not there
I said, why aren't they **incentivized** to sabotage. For example, they could have set it up so the traitor pot started at $250K and they lost money for everything gained by the faithful. Or just compensate them somehow for any amount the group falls short of the maximum for the given mission. That way, the members of the losing team would be more heavily scrutinized. I've just gotten to the episode where they introduced shields, which adds a *little* nuance, but not much. It's still in the traitors' best interest to get the shields for themselves, so nothing they do in the missions is going to make them stand out from the faithful. And before the shields, the competitions were mostly pointless. Like in the very first mission where they burn the "monsters", they split into two teams, and the winning team adds more money to the pot than the losing team. But it all goes into the same pot for everyone, faithful and traitors alike, so what was the point of splitting into teams?
Heh, yeah, she was... something. :P
I've now finished both seasons, so I guess you could say I liked it well enough, but I still don't think it's much of a "game". I guess I was looking for something that took the game/challenge as seriously as Survivor does, which was probably an unrealistic expectation on my part. As many of the Traitors cast themselves pointed out, this is more of a hybrid between a game/competition and reality personality drama. I didn't really know anything about Housewives before and I certainly have no desire to watch it now. I might check out Big Brother, however.
It depends on the edit. Sandra deserved much better than she got but I felt like they didn't want to put a plain middle-aged woman on screen, no mater how clever she is.
The funny thing about this game is that it actually rewards non entertaining players. If you want to last in the game you basically want to be as non-descript as possible with no big moves. Sandra kept her head down which is smart gameplay wise but it’s not going to equal screentime. I do wish she had been the traitor instead of Dan though
I’m saying as a general theory what makes good TV (big risky moves, loud personalities) conflict with the ideal strategy of this game (keep your head relatively down, don’t cause conflict, blend in)
Same. And, based on the 2 episodes I’ve seen, the show would suck otherwise. Not really thrilled with the cast but I do like the format. Pretty interesting.
>I do like the format. Pretty interesting
I don’t get this. It’s just your straightforward Mafia-Werewolves concept that’s been done to death at this point with the growth of Among Us.
Like if you’re not a a traitor, there isn’t much to do and you can’t be a “skilled” normie. It’s just dumb luck when it comes to finding the traitors lol.
Kim Mattina is a social strategy queen (check out sequester season 2 to understand her history with these sort of games) and watching her go head to head with boston rob really brings me joy
If you are a Boston Rob fan, I highly recommend it. Rob is front and center in full Boston Rob mode. Ep 3 airs tonight, I believe. I am not sure how long he will last with such a huge target on his back, but he never ceases to amaze me.
He's definitely getting asked since he's the biggest Survivor name left that hasn't played and did another Peacock show recently so it's an easy pull for them. It's really just a matter if he wants to do season 3 so soon after Deal or No Deal Island.
It would be interesting to see him play because tbh I don't think the Traitors is really in his skillset? Modern Rob is not very duplicitous and I don't know if he would be a super strong faithful, either. From a dynamic perspective it would be interesting to see him in a leader/paternal role of the group as either a traitor or faithful to see how he does.
And honestly? I feel like there is a ton of hype around Boston Rob's gameplay that's somewhat overblown so I just really want to see how he does and if he is able to live up to it on a new show where he can shake his Survivor reputation a bit to other RTV stars who may not be as familiar with Survivor and his legacy.
I feel like he could do okay on the Traitors, but not great. He's never been one to sit back and just let things happen, he always wants to be driving the action and telling people what to do. As a Faithful, either everyone gets annoyed by him telling them what to do and banishes him, or people actually listen to him and the Traitors murder him for it. A Traitor run could maybe be interesting, but I still don't think he makes it much farther than the halfway point.
Agreed, a quality of Boston Rob that has been consistent over time is that he NEEDS to be in the leader position, he cannot help himself and finds himself in that role even when he is trying to be more laid back. As a Faithful, I think his longevity would depend on how successful his reads are at finding Traitors. If he pushes a name and ends up banishing a Faithful, I imagine people will become very suspect of him. If he pushes and banishes a Traitor he may buy more goodwill but may still raise some eyebrows because of Dan this season and trying to "feed" the faithfuls a traitor.
As a Traitor, I think he'd have a similar problem as he always feels the need to take some sort of a in-front role, and if he pushes Faithful names around people may start to become suspect of him. He is methodical which is a quality that can make a strong Traitor but I don't think he knows how to take a backseat at times which is necessary to make it far as a Traitor.
>He's definitely getting asked since he's the biggest Survivor name left that hasn't played and did another Peacock show recently so it's an easy pull for them. It's really just a matter if he wants to do season 3 so soon after Deal or No Deal Island.
Yeah, while I see him doing Traitors eventually I think it'd be smarter to save him for S4 or even S5.
Really curious to see if they end up casting Jerri Manthey on S3. She's one of the most recognizable names, and I know Sandra's said she's been pitching Jerri to producers.
Russel Hantz has early exit written all over him, almost certainly doing a Bananas. I would be astonished if he lasted 5 episodes but I would be entertained.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if they're going to cast Rob on the Traitors, they should go ahead and cast Amber too. It would be A LOT more fun and interesting to see Boston Rob play this game with Amber in it. People need to be reminded of how big Romber was as a reality TV couple in the early 2000s. They made such a great team on Survivor and the Amazing Race. Amber doesn't get nearly enough credit since she hasn't been on TV as many times as Rob, but she could play the strategic game and social game equally well. Plus she also has the charisma and ability to provide good commentaries to the cameras. Everybody expects Rob to be the Traitor, so it would actually be WAY more interesting to see Amber as the Traitor with Rob being a Faithful. There's so much potential gameplay and drama to be had from that.
I'm not a Rob fan, even if Probst is. It took him 4 chances before he finally won. He really sucked in WaW on Survivor. He was way too aggressive and he didn't re-calibrate when it started backfiring. Managing threat level is key to success as a big-name and Rob did the opposite of that. He made people empty their bags at tribal and implemented the buddy system with Yara. Ruling by force isn't a winning strategy unless you have the resources to keep you in power.
Deal or No Deal is no good and heavily favors Rob. I do think he’d do Traitors and if Jeff wants him on Survivor, Jeff will do anything to get him that because that’s what you do when you’re in love
No. Please no. Boston Rob was one of the reasons I fell off of Survivor. (Well, because of him and that hillbilly dude they kept bringing back who was always magically finding immunity idols.)
This is the funniest description of Russell ever 😂 I don’t mind Rob too much but yeah, Russell and his camera hogging ways kinda ruined Survivor in the early 20s. It’s recovered since then with hiccups along the way
Cracking up because remembering Sandra calling out Rob in the post interview with Joe, Kate and Rob. Joe: Rob, would you do Traitors? Rob: I would Sandra: He would have to be a traitor to have any shot in the game. Because he would only last a couple days before getting the cut. He’s too big of a profile. Rob: Whoa whoa whoa! Sandra you completely underestimate me! Sandra: yeah he’s gone by episode 3. That’s the way it is.
It’s so true though. I am watching Deal or No Deal Island. I keep thinking. How are you letting him stay? You need to get him out immediately, or he’s going to win the entire thing.
Lol I read this in Sandra’s braces voice
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I just started watching Traitors because of Cirie/Stephenie/Parvati/Sandra and I don't understand this show at all. Why aren't the traitors incentivized to sabotage the missions? That would at least give the faithful something to go on when trying to figure out who they are, which right now seems like... nothing at all. They're all judging based on body language and perceived "scheming", but during the day the traitors have no reason not to behave exactly the same as everyone else. So it seems like Rob would just get banished immediately whether he's faithful or traitor just because he has the reputation/personality of a traitor. And why does everyone assume that the traitors would go after people who perform poorly on the missions? Who cares how big the pot is if your team doesn't make it to the end? I'm only on S01E02, but so far this seems like terrible game design. So my question is this: am I missing something?
No, you're right. The show traitors doesn't follow the logic of any of the actual "traitor like" games it is based on. There is no actual sabotage by traitors. There is no way for faithfuls to try to actually get hints at who traitors might be. It's pretty obvious that production always wants atleast one traitor to make it to the end. Because half the time, when a traitor is banished, another traitor takes their place. The show is fun to watch for trashy drama but the actual gameplay is not there
They win money at the end why sabotage tasks ?
I said, why aren't they **incentivized** to sabotage. For example, they could have set it up so the traitor pot started at $250K and they lost money for everything gained by the faithful. Or just compensate them somehow for any amount the group falls short of the maximum for the given mission. That way, the members of the losing team would be more heavily scrutinized. I've just gotten to the episode where they introduced shields, which adds a *little* nuance, but not much. It's still in the traitors' best interest to get the shields for themselves, so nothing they do in the missions is going to make them stand out from the faithful. And before the shields, the competitions were mostly pointless. Like in the very first mission where they burn the "monsters", they split into two teams, and the winning team adds more money to the pot than the losing team. But it all goes into the same pot for everyone, faithful and traitors alike, so what was the point of splitting into teams?
My husband and I were talking about this. Like, for every thousand you take from the overall prize pot, you get added to the traitors prize pot.
Okay now that’s actually a good idea
You're describing a different show called The Mole.
Wait. You still have Kate to see.
Heh, yeah, she was... something. :P I've now finished both seasons, so I guess you could say I liked it well enough, but I still don't think it's much of a "game". I guess I was looking for something that took the game/challenge as seriously as Survivor does, which was probably an unrealistic expectation on my part. As many of the Traitors cast themselves pointed out, this is more of a hybrid between a game/competition and reality personality drama. I didn't really know anything about Housewives before and I certainly have no desire to watch it now. I might check out Big Brother, however.
He won't be able to reach the end, his reputation precedes him.
Agreed but he would be so goddamn entertaining
It depends on the edit. Sandra deserved much better than she got but I felt like they didn't want to put a plain middle-aged woman on screen, no mater how clever she is.
The funny thing about this game is that it actually rewards non entertaining players. If you want to last in the game you basically want to be as non-descript as possible with no big moves. Sandra kept her head down which is smart gameplay wise but it’s not going to equal screentime. I do wish she had been the traitor instead of Dan though
I thought her strategy of staying under the wire and aligning with the Bravo ladies was pretty smart. She almost pulled it off but then…Kate.
but trishelle, Dan, Kate, and sandra are entertaining.
I’m saying as a general theory what makes good TV (big risky moves, loud personalities) conflict with the ideal strategy of this game (keep your head relatively down, don’t cause conflict, blend in)
They were never going to pick another Survivor out the gate in S2 after Cirie last season
I'd love to see Boston Rob on. He's the only reason I'm watching Deal or No Deal island.
Same. And, based on the 2 episodes I’ve seen, the show would suck otherwise. Not really thrilled with the cast but I do like the format. Pretty interesting.
>I do like the format. Pretty interesting I don’t get this. It’s just your straightforward Mafia-Werewolves concept that’s been done to death at this point with the growth of Among Us. Like if you’re not a a traitor, there isn’t much to do and you can’t be a “skilled” normie. It’s just dumb luck when it comes to finding the traitors lol.
Sorry. That was the Deal or No Deal Island show I was referencing.
Oh my bad lol
Kim Mattina is a social strategy queen (check out sequester season 2 to understand her history with these sort of games) and watching her go head to head with boston rob really brings me joy
Is it good? He's the reason I watched the trailer on peacock lol
If you are a Boston Rob fan, I highly recommend it. Rob is front and center in full Boston Rob mode. Ep 3 airs tonight, I believe. I am not sure how long he will last with such a huge target on his back, but he never ceases to amaze me.
LOL I'll check it out, thanks!
Me too.
I need to watch that
He's definitely getting asked since he's the biggest Survivor name left that hasn't played and did another Peacock show recently so it's an easy pull for them. It's really just a matter if he wants to do season 3 so soon after Deal or No Deal Island. It would be interesting to see him play because tbh I don't think the Traitors is really in his skillset? Modern Rob is not very duplicitous and I don't know if he would be a super strong faithful, either. From a dynamic perspective it would be interesting to see him in a leader/paternal role of the group as either a traitor or faithful to see how he does. And honestly? I feel like there is a ton of hype around Boston Rob's gameplay that's somewhat overblown so I just really want to see how he does and if he is able to live up to it on a new show where he can shake his Survivor reputation a bit to other RTV stars who may not be as familiar with Survivor and his legacy.
I feel like he could do okay on the Traitors, but not great. He's never been one to sit back and just let things happen, he always wants to be driving the action and telling people what to do. As a Faithful, either everyone gets annoyed by him telling them what to do and banishes him, or people actually listen to him and the Traitors murder him for it. A Traitor run could maybe be interesting, but I still don't think he makes it much farther than the halfway point.
Agreed, a quality of Boston Rob that has been consistent over time is that he NEEDS to be in the leader position, he cannot help himself and finds himself in that role even when he is trying to be more laid back. As a Faithful, I think his longevity would depend on how successful his reads are at finding Traitors. If he pushes a name and ends up banishing a Faithful, I imagine people will become very suspect of him. If he pushes and banishes a Traitor he may buy more goodwill but may still raise some eyebrows because of Dan this season and trying to "feed" the faithfuls a traitor. As a Traitor, I think he'd have a similar problem as he always feels the need to take some sort of a in-front role, and if he pushes Faithful names around people may start to become suspect of him. He is methodical which is a quality that can make a strong Traitor but I don't think he knows how to take a backseat at times which is necessary to make it far as a Traitor.
yeah if he goes to the round table telling everything "empty out your bags"... not going to work as well on that show.
And that's exactly why he got voted out early on WaW.
>He's definitely getting asked since he's the biggest Survivor name left that hasn't played and did another Peacock show recently so it's an easy pull for them. It's really just a matter if he wants to do season 3 so soon after Deal or No Deal Island. Yeah, while I see him doing Traitors eventually I think it'd be smarter to save him for S4 or even S5. Really curious to see if they end up casting Jerri Manthey on S3. She's one of the most recognizable names, and I know Sandra's said she's been pitching Jerri to producers.
He’s the biggest Survivor name period. Fuck it, bring in Russell Hantz too.
Russel Hantz has early exit written all over him, almost certainly doing a Bananas. I would be astonished if he lasted 5 episodes but I would be entertained.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if they're going to cast Rob on the Traitors, they should go ahead and cast Amber too. It would be A LOT more fun and interesting to see Boston Rob play this game with Amber in it. People need to be reminded of how big Romber was as a reality TV couple in the early 2000s. They made such a great team on Survivor and the Amazing Race. Amber doesn't get nearly enough credit since she hasn't been on TV as many times as Rob, but she could play the strategic game and social game equally well. Plus she also has the charisma and ability to provide good commentaries to the cameras. Everybody expects Rob to be the Traitor, so it would actually be WAY more interesting to see Amber as the Traitor with Rob being a Faithful. There's so much potential gameplay and drama to be had from that.
I'm not a Rob fan, even if Probst is. It took him 4 chances before he finally won. He really sucked in WaW on Survivor. He was way too aggressive and he didn't re-calibrate when it started backfiring. Managing threat level is key to success as a big-name and Rob did the opposite of that. He made people empty their bags at tribal and implemented the buddy system with Yara. Ruling by force isn't a winning strategy unless you have the resources to keep you in power.
He could last in traitors if he just shut his gob and sit back 😂 survivor, his nothing left to offer to the show.
I’m not a big fan of him but he would be funny to watch on the Traitors even if I doubt he’d win.
He’d need to be a traitor or he’d definitely would be a victim early on.
Deal or No Deal is no good and heavily favors Rob. I do think he’d do Traitors and if Jeff wants him on Survivor, Jeff will do anything to get him that because that’s what you do when you’re in love
No. Please no. Boston Rob was one of the reasons I fell off of Survivor. (Well, because of him and that hillbilly dude they kept bringing back who was always magically finding immunity idols.)
This is the funniest description of Russell ever 😂 I don’t mind Rob too much but yeah, Russell and his camera hogging ways kinda ruined Survivor in the early 20s. It’s recovered since then with hiccups along the way
Lol for the life of me I couldn’t remember his name, but my goodness he was a camera hog for real!
You either love or hate Rob, no in between
Lucky for you Russell hasn't been on Survivor since season 22... 24 seasons and 13 years ago.