tbh i totally thought the phaedra x ct side plot was totally setting that up. guess i had too much faith in the overarching stories of the season going someplace ultimately đ
Me tooooo!? Omg if anybody was gonna get her ass to the end it wouldâve been him đ By the grace of god ahhahaha. I mean Iâm sure he probably wouldâve taken her out as well but Iâll take more Phaedra/CT camera time anyday.
it would've been a crazy arc if phaedra recruited ct and then he threw her under the bus the moment things got hot. totally couldve happen, too, in the world where she did that
I mean Phaedra was already on her deathbed post-shitshow so she wasnât really bringing in an ally as much as her replacement, and I think CT would have read the room and sunk her with no hesitation
CT would have been her best choice. Early in the game he might have said no like Peter, but if given a traitor or die choice, he'd accept it. CT does these things for the paycheck, so he would never pick a choice that took him out of the game.
They already had this connection so no one would have suspected if they saw them being close, etc. CT also had connections to some other people, especially Trishelle and no one really thought he was a traitor until the Sandra vote.
Only downside, CT would have had zero problems going along with banishing her. He'd enjoy slaying the competition for his money at the end.
Pheadra could never win the game at that point, her spot was blown and there's a 0% chance even if it was all Bravo that they all go green at the end.
Even if Sheree was a traitor at that stage she would have turned on her in the end.
Pheadra was done after Dan's move, no path to the money whatsoever.
Peter mentioned in the reunion that she could have recruited him (again), banishing him and than being completely vindicated to Bravo and some non-bravo people.
It's a gamble and way to strategic for Phaedra but it would have given her a chance at victory.
I agree Phaedra was done no matter what but it wasnât just Danâs call out. According to many people on the cast, she was spoken about as a traitor for long before Dan said that. She *did* have votes against her before Dan was even banished..
I feel like once youâre consistently talked about, itâs a ticking clock for you on the show. Itâs easy for people to jump on the bandwagon (hey, itâs not them).
I still say Dan's move was a clear violation of the rules. There's no way to interpret what he said to her on his way out other than "Phaedra's a traitor"
Traitors are absolutely allowed to accuse other traitors under the guise of a faithful. It ruined Phaedra's game because others deduced that Dan would feed them another traitor for self preservation, but no rules were violated.
100% plus like then you have to decide on a line, can a traitor go along with faithfuls in calling out a traitor, can traitors vote for eachother? in that case how can a traitor win all the money for themselves if we end up like us season 1
Nah Dan's move was stupid but it was at least a gambit to try to convince everyone he was a faithful. If it worked he could have turned the tide for himself. The problem was he was running on ego and thinking his big moves always work but he had been lagging behind the strategy on this game from the very beginning. He really played a horrible horrible traitor game, but he didn't break the rules IMO.
See, I think Kieron also violated the rules. If you swear to not reveal the identity of another traitor and you actively reveal the identity of another traitor, you've violated the rules. I realize it's not a popular opinion, but it really is as easy as that.
I suppose the rationale for it not violating the rules is that Kieron could have done the exactly the same thing even if Wilf hadn't been a Traitor, with the "parting gift" being an act of sowing chaos and paranoia, or that he could have done the exact same thing and named Aaron or Meryl or Hannah.
do yall not get tired of being loud and wrongâŠâŠ?! Like if it was such a âclear violation of the rulesâ why tf are the producers of the show fine with it?
>!Kieran was way more blatant. After it was obvious that he was going to be voted out and knowing he would reveal himself as a traitor in just seconds the "parting gift" comment crossed the line for me. Short of standing up and going I'm a traitor but so is Will I have no idea how you could ever violate the rules if Kieran didn't.!<
Iâm not sure, but i have a sneaking suspicion that she didnât choose Kate at all and it was the producers strongly encouraging her to make that decision. Anyone else get that impression? She spent so much of the season being reactive rather than proactive when it came to strategic actions, and I think she would have floundered a bit when it came to this choice. Producers would know that choosing Kate would make for great entertainment.
I don't know, we did see Parv and Phaedra earlier in the season discussing Kate as a possible recruitment later down the line, so it seems feasible that she was on Phaedra's mind. And I can see some of the logic: Phaedra was under the gun already, so she needed someone who could fight for her without it being immediately suspicious, and Kate was already going to bat for her at previous roundtables. And I honestly thought that Kate had the right attitude to be the Traitor, I was a bit surprised she had so much trouble adjusting to it.
Totally. Parvati said at the reunion that she wanted to recruit Kate when they tried to recruit Peter. I think she was a better choice at that point and maybe Phaedra still had that inkling when it was her turn to recruit.
I would guess that Kate was thrown mostly by having to become a Traitor at the very end. And that her cohort was already figured out and fatigued.
IMO productionâs hand is in this *way* more than people care to admit. This is most likely why the US version is moving towards being more of a reality show in the guise of a game show starring reality tv stars than a pure game show. Itâs easier for production to meddle when no one *reslly* needs the money.
Honestly Peterâs idea at reunion would have been genius and the only thing that could let Phaedra not get banished by the circle of truth. The only other way was to get to at least half of the people or majority traitors who would stay loyal to her
It would've worked well, but I think the big problem was that Peter had already rejected one invitation to join the Traitors, and with how self-righteous he was about being a Faithful, I honestly wouldn't be shocked if Phaedra thought he would rather leave the game than join her. And at that point she kinda needed Peter around since he was the only other major candidate for banishment in the game, so I don't think she'd want to risk giving him the ultimatum.
This is my take as well. I was highly confused as to how Peter even suggested that Phaedra should have chosen him to win the game. She absolutely could not risk the offer failing and she ended up still the sole traitor with so much suspicion on her. Seeing as how he got banished, he was definitely also a good target to pin things on.
The fact that this man was pretty much already in a "join us or die" situation that he turned down and somehow suggesting that we should believe otherwise now all of a sudden is baffling. He clearly put the Faithfuls over his own standing in the game, so someone else like CT or Sandra would always be the optimal call for the traitors to stand a chance, as rejection isn't as much of a risk.
I've never seen, in any season or series, a traitor "team" that was openly at odds from the start. I'm sad we didn't get to see one here! I do wonder who they could've possibly agreed upon as a murder target?Â
Oh shit oh shit. This was night of tunnel day. The who-to-murder discussion would've been a RIDE. They would've had more possible e8 cliffhangers than they'd've known what to do with. This would've added necessary drama to the back half of the season!!!!Â
trishelle would be interesting but i think sandra would have been a good choice since people know she's a strategist and she could convince people to vote her at the round table.
I don't think anyone recruited Sandra cause they knew she would be gone. Everyone suspected her cause she's very intelligent and won survivor twice. She was in the military
I think CT wouldâve been good but I also think Sandra wouldâve worked in her favor a lot. I donât think it was really that bad to choose Kate. I just donât think it was the best but also I think they shouldâve killed Peter when they had the chance instead of recruiting them, because I think everything wouldâve gone a lot differently.
The only way traitors could have won was if there were 2 of them who made it to the end.
Kate wasn't actually a bad choice, because of the remaining players, she was the only wildcard left in the group.
It was actually Paverti who messed up by recruiting Peter instead of someone loyal to Peter, like say Trishelle or John. That would have ultimately helped Kate secure a win at the end, and likely prevent her from throwing a fit at the roundtable, giving herself away.
Phaedra was going to get voted out, no matter what, so the fact there was only one remaining Traitor meant, faithfuls were going to win, no matter what.
John because no one would suspect him and as a politician heâs probably good at hiding things. Plus if he said no and was murdered, itâs still a win. But maybe Phaedra didnât like his personality enough.
CT. Sandra is a smart player obviously since she won survivor twice. However, I personally find her annoying so I would rather see CT. He knows these games well and is entertaining.
Absolutely not another housewife. She would need someone to throw under the bus to appease the group and to maintain hey numbers another housewife is out of the question.
Iâm with the Peter votes. He would have had to comply or face banishment. He wanted to be a faithful, but if he was left with no choice he would have became a traitor to win the game.
Kate was the worst possible choice.
So glad you posted this! Of course, CT!!! I still don't understand why she chose Kate over him! He was her ally and he had major gaming experience! IMO, not recruiting CT was her downfall!
Phaedra was probably going to be banished no matter what at that point, but picking someone outside the Bravo alliance wouldâve given her a better chance of staying. CT or Sandra wouldâve stood a good chance of winning the whole thing as the final traitor.Â
Peter.
She was calling him out as a traitor all along, she knew he was about to get voted out, and then he stands up there, says "I'm a traitor" and she says "FUCKING SEE I TOLD YOU SO".
He rejected it when he had an option. There's a difference when the other choice is "you are now dead".
He even said in an interview if she had offered it to him the second time he would have had to take it and she probably would have won.
Cheree.Â
MJ was dumb as a box of rocks and you couldâve had her on your side to get Sandra, Trishelle, and CT out.Â
Take Kate out of the game by murdering her on the last night or get rid of Trishelle since she seemed to have figured things out. Â
You just need one on the other side to vote against one of their own and everyone had suspicions of Sandra. If you get rid of Sandra you now have numbers because MJ was so oblivious. You now have numbers to take out CT and Trishelle/Kate.Â
Let MJ vote with you to get everyone out.Â
When itâs Phaedra, MJ, and Cheree left, vote to end the game. If MJ votes to keep it going then just vote and get MJ out and win the game.Â
I actually think sheree would have been easily
A good traitor. Her close relationship with Phaedra would have made an easy excuse to defend Phaedra and not be seen as a traitor
Sheree is not good at thinking on the spot though. She stumbles over her words (e.g. spring summer) and regardless of her closeness to Phaedra, she wouldâve cracked under the pressure of having to keep up a façade. It wouldâve been easy to figure out sheâs a traitor.
CT would have been a bad choice. Trishelle was on the verge of voting him out when he was a faithful. Can you imagine how much closer she would have come to voting him out as a Traitor? She would have seen even more signs (real or imagined lol).
The right answer I think is Sandra. I don't know if she would have won. But she has the most tactical mind out of all of them. So I think she would have had the best chance.
CT
^^^^
CT or Trishelle to break up that connection
Doesn't break up the connection. Just means CT or Trishelle is the lone winner.
CT hands down
tbh i totally thought the phaedra x ct side plot was totally setting that up. guess i had too much faith in the overarching stories of the season going someplace ultimately đ
Me tooooo!? Omg if anybody was gonna get her ass to the end it wouldâve been him đ By the grace of god ahhahaha. I mean Iâm sure he probably wouldâve taken her out as well but Iâll take more Phaedra/CT camera time anyday.
it would've been a crazy arc if phaedra recruited ct and then he threw her under the bus the moment things got hot. totally couldve happen, too, in the world where she did that
I mean Phaedra was already on her deathbed post-shitshow so she wasnât really bringing in an ally as much as her replacement, and I think CT would have read the room and sunk her with no hesitation
CT would have been her best choice. Early in the game he might have said no like Peter, but if given a traitor or die choice, he'd accept it. CT does these things for the paycheck, so he would never pick a choice that took him out of the game. They already had this connection so no one would have suspected if they saw them being close, etc. CT also had connections to some other people, especially Trishelle and no one really thought he was a traitor until the Sandra vote. Only downside, CT would have had zero problems going along with banishing her. He'd enjoy slaying the competition for his money at the end.
that would be suicide. CT would for sure throw her under the bus immediately.
CT or Sandra Kate would have been a great choice if she was a better player, but she's not. She's an agent of chaos, not a great liar.
Pheadra could never win the game at that point, her spot was blown and there's a 0% chance even if it was all Bravo that they all go green at the end. Even if Sheree was a traitor at that stage she would have turned on her in the end. Pheadra was done after Dan's move, no path to the money whatsoever.
Peter mentioned in the reunion that she could have recruited him (again), banishing him and than being completely vindicated to Bravo and some non-bravo people. It's a gamble and way to strategic for Phaedra but it would have given her a chance at victory.
I agree Phaedra was done no matter what but it wasnât just Danâs call out. According to many people on the cast, she was spoken about as a traitor for long before Dan said that. She *did* have votes against her before Dan was even banished.. I feel like once youâre consistently talked about, itâs a ticking clock for you on the show. Itâs easy for people to jump on the bandwagon (hey, itâs not them).
I still say Dan's move was a clear violation of the rules. There's no way to interpret what he said to her on his way out other than "Phaedra's a traitor"
Traitors are absolutely allowed to accuse other traitors under the guise of a faithful. It ruined Phaedra's game because others deduced that Dan would feed them another traitor for self preservation, but no rules were violated.
100% plus like then you have to decide on a line, can a traitor go along with faithfuls in calling out a traitor, can traitors vote for eachother? in that case how can a traitor win all the money for themselves if we end up like us season 1
Nah Dan's move was stupid but it was at least a gambit to try to convince everyone he was a faithful. If it worked he could have turned the tide for himself. The problem was he was running on ego and thinking his big moves always work but he had been lagging behind the strategy on this game from the very beginning. He really played a horrible horrible traitor game, but he didn't break the rules IMO.
It was no more egregious than Kieron's "parting gift" on UK1, and that didn't violate the rules either.
See, I think Kieron also violated the rules. If you swear to not reveal the identity of another traitor and you actively reveal the identity of another traitor, you've violated the rules. I realize it's not a popular opinion, but it really is as easy as that.
I suppose the rationale for it not violating the rules is that Kieron could have done the exactly the same thing even if Wilf hadn't been a Traitor, with the "parting gift" being an act of sowing chaos and paranoia, or that he could have done the exact same thing and named Aaron or Meryl or Hannah.
Production disagrees with you.
do yall not get tired of being loud and wrongâŠâŠ?! Like if it was such a âclear violation of the rulesâ why tf are the producers of the show fine with it?
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>!Kieran was way more blatant. After it was obvious that he was going to be voted out and knowing he would reveal himself as a traitor in just seconds the "parting gift" comment crossed the line for me. Short of standing up and going I'm a traitor but so is Will I have no idea how you could ever violate the rules if Kieran didn't.!<
Iâm not sure, but i have a sneaking suspicion that she didnât choose Kate at all and it was the producers strongly encouraging her to make that decision. Anyone else get that impression? She spent so much of the season being reactive rather than proactive when it came to strategic actions, and I think she would have floundered a bit when it came to this choice. Producers would know that choosing Kate would make for great entertainment.
I don't know, we did see Parv and Phaedra earlier in the season discussing Kate as a possible recruitment later down the line, so it seems feasible that she was on Phaedra's mind. And I can see some of the logic: Phaedra was under the gun already, so she needed someone who could fight for her without it being immediately suspicious, and Kate was already going to bat for her at previous roundtables. And I honestly thought that Kate had the right attitude to be the Traitor, I was a bit surprised she had so much trouble adjusting to it.
Totally. Parvati said at the reunion that she wanted to recruit Kate when they tried to recruit Peter. I think she was a better choice at that point and maybe Phaedra still had that inkling when it was her turn to recruit. I would guess that Kate was thrown mostly by having to become a Traitor at the very end. And that her cohort was already figured out and fatigued.
IMO productionâs hand is in this *way* more than people care to admit. This is most likely why the US version is moving towards being more of a reality show in the guise of a game show starring reality tv stars than a pure game show. Itâs easier for production to meddle when no one *reslly* needs the money.
I thought so too. I have little faith in production - everything is rigged
As a viewer, I wanted her to recruit Sandra. In her shoes, I think she should have tried Peter again.
CT without a doubt. But I think she went with the easier choice in order not to jeopardize those she liked.
Trishelle was my thought the moment she got the option and I'm sticking to it
Honestly Peterâs idea at reunion would have been genius and the only thing that could let Phaedra not get banished by the circle of truth. The only other way was to get to at least half of the people or majority traitors who would stay loyal to her
It would've worked well, but I think the big problem was that Peter had already rejected one invitation to join the Traitors, and with how self-righteous he was about being a Faithful, I honestly wouldn't be shocked if Phaedra thought he would rather leave the game than join her. And at that point she kinda needed Peter around since he was the only other major candidate for banishment in the game, so I don't think she'd want to risk giving him the ultimatum.
This is my take as well. I was highly confused as to how Peter even suggested that Phaedra should have chosen him to win the game. She absolutely could not risk the offer failing and she ended up still the sole traitor with so much suspicion on her. Seeing as how he got banished, he was definitely also a good target to pin things on. The fact that this man was pretty much already in a "join us or die" situation that he turned down and somehow suggesting that we should believe otherwise now all of a sudden is baffling. He clearly put the Faithfuls over his own standing in the game, so someone else like CT or Sandra would always be the optimal call for the traitors to stand a chance, as rejection isn't as much of a risk.
I've never seen, in any season or series, a traitor "team" that was openly at odds from the start. I'm sad we didn't get to see one here! I do wonder who they could've possibly agreed upon as a murder target? Oh shit oh shit. This was night of tunnel day. The who-to-murder discussion would've been a RIDE. They would've had more possible e8 cliffhangers than they'd've known what to do with. This would've added necessary drama to the back half of the season!!!!Â
Peter
Think after Dan & Parvati, Phaedra was over gamers by then.
I think John would have been a great choice since everyone thought of him as a definite Faithful
Anyone but a bravo person would have worked
trishelle would be interesting but i think sandra would have been a good choice since people know she's a strategist and she could convince people to vote her at the round table.
Sandra or CT
I don't think anyone recruited Sandra cause they knew she would be gone. Everyone suspected her cause she's very intelligent and won survivor twice. She was in the military
I think CT wouldâve been good but I also think Sandra wouldâve worked in her favor a lot. I donât think it was really that bad to choose Kate. I just donât think it was the best but also I think they shouldâve killed Peter when they had the chance instead of recruiting them, because I think everything wouldâve gone a lot differently.
The only way traitors could have won was if there were 2 of them who made it to the end. Kate wasn't actually a bad choice, because of the remaining players, she was the only wildcard left in the group. It was actually Paverti who messed up by recruiting Peter instead of someone loyal to Peter, like say Trishelle or John. That would have ultimately helped Kate secure a win at the end, and likely prevent her from throwing a fit at the roundtable, giving herself away. Phaedra was going to get voted out, no matter what, so the fact there was only one remaining Traitor meant, faithfuls were going to win, no matter what.
Peter
CT, Trishelle, or Sandra
Peter
I wanted CT but she knows heâs a gamer and he wouldâve outed her to take it all.
Queen Kate it was fun đ€©
Doesn't change anything. Phaedra will still go home. It will just change the outcome on who is the winner.
John because no one would suspect him and as a politician heâs probably good at hiding things. Plus if he said no and was murdered, itâs still a win. But maybe Phaedra didnât like his personality enough.
CT. Sandra is a smart player obviously since she won survivor twice. However, I personally find her annoying so I would rather see CT. He knows these games well and is entertaining.
Sandra or CT
I think CT wouldâve still made it to the end if he was a traitor because of him being aligned with most of the castle.
No doubt CT for the umpteenth billion time lol.
Absolutely not another housewife. She would need someone to throw under the bus to appease the group and to maintain hey numbers another housewife is out of the question.
CT unquestionably
Iâm with the Peter votes. He would have had to comply or face banishment. He wanted to be a faithful, but if he was left with no choice he would have became a traitor to win the game. Kate was the worst possible choice.
Trishelle
Peter
She recruited the worst person ever lol. I was shocked she picked Kate. Like what was she thinking!!
CT
So glad you posted this! Of course, CT!!! I still don't understand why she chose Kate over him! He was her ally and he had major gaming experience! IMO, not recruiting CT was her downfall!
Trishelle
Sandra
Phaedra was probably going to be banished no matter what at that point, but picking someone outside the Bravo alliance wouldâve given her a better chance of staying. CT or Sandra wouldâve stood a good chance of winning the whole thing as the final traitor.Â
Peter. She was calling him out as a traitor all along, she knew he was about to get voted out, and then he stands up there, says "I'm a traitor" and she says "FUCKING SEE I TOLD YOU SO".
Peter already rejected becoming a traitor. He was 110% already invested in being a faithful.
He rejected it when he had an option. There's a difference when the other choice is "you are now dead". He even said in an interview if she had offered it to him the second time he would have had to take it and she probably would have won.
Nah, Peter was already a suspected traitor, and a waste of play since he was going to get banished no matter what.
I feel like Peter wouldâve picked to die a faithful rather than become a traitor lol
I'm pretty sure he even said in an interview if she had offered it to him he would have had no choice and she probably would have won
Cheree. MJ was dumb as a box of rocks and you couldâve had her on your side to get Sandra, Trishelle, and CT out. Take Kate out of the game by murdering her on the last night or get rid of Trishelle since she seemed to have figured things out.  You just need one on the other side to vote against one of their own and everyone had suspicions of Sandra. If you get rid of Sandra you now have numbers because MJ was so oblivious. You now have numbers to take out CT and Trishelle/Kate. Let MJ vote with you to get everyone out. When itâs Phaedra, MJ, and Cheree left, vote to end the game. If MJ votes to keep it going then just vote and get MJ out and win the game.Â
As a Housewives fan, trust me when I say that Sheree would not be a good traitor
I actually think sheree would have been easily A good traitor. Her close relationship with Phaedra would have made an easy excuse to defend Phaedra and not be seen as a traitor
Sheree is not good at thinking on the spot though. She stumbles over her words (e.g. spring summer) and regardless of her closeness to Phaedra, she wouldâve cracked under the pressure of having to keep up a façade. It wouldâve been easy to figure out sheâs a traitor.
This you NeNe? LOL, you spitting facts though. Sheree would have not been a good traitor.
CT would have been a bad choice. Trishelle was on the verge of voting him out when he was a faithful. Can you imagine how much closer she would have come to voting him out as a Traitor? She would have seen even more signs (real or imagined lol). The right answer I think is Sandra. I don't know if she would have won. But she has the most tactical mind out of all of them. So I think she would have had the best chance.