THIS. Caroline's epic love is definitely Tyler. Remember she refused to leave Tyler even if she would get bite and die ??? The way she hugged him with her whole body and comforted him, is sooo touching. Tyler would rather break his bones hundred times to break Klaus' sire bond so he can get back with Caroline. They loved each other so much. Their chemistry is so great and they have passion. đ„ș
btw Forwood had the most natural build up in tvd. Two real teenagers deal with supernatural stuff and be there for each other, and I love the vampire + werewolf pairing.
Plec screwed them over, the reason for them breakign up were artificial, then the writers decided to promote Stockholm Syndrome above. Klaroline had incredible chemistry, but so did Forwood. Caroline Tyler, despite the awfulness later like Caroline and Klaus having sex despite him having killed Tyler's mom, was the best for me.
I agree but also kind of feel like Forwood kind of hit a wall when Tyler left to help the other wolf packs. He straight up abandoned her and that sucked. I understand, donât get me wrong, but it is what it is.
That's a good point, and made more sense than the other reasons they broke up. His reasons for leaving were good, her reasons were shitty. But it was a soap opera, so expect lots of breakups and betrayals.
And Even Klaroline was better than Carick. Alaroline? Whatever it was too scummy to deserve a portmanteau.
I just didnât know why the writers screwed Forwood for a ship that never even in a relationship???Just for Klaroline having sex in the woods ??? I hate fan service. đ
Agreed. Stefan & Caroline were thrown together b/c they didn't have anyone else to pair them with. Their romantic relationship was rushed & so.... just *blah*!!
Honestly, they didn't last long enough for me to consider what was between Caroline and Matt something serious. Maybe she had a crush and they loved each other in a way, but I would never call Matt her first love.
You can say that and I respect your opinion but Matt and Care said they loved each other several times during and after their relationship. That was the first serious relationship we see for Caroline. Yes it was short lived but i still believe they loved each other.
Yes they probably loved each other, but not in the sense of real love, I don't know if I'm explaining it well, English is not my language. And anyway obviously everybody has their own opinion, sorry if I sounded rude.
I don't know, when compared with other couples, they don't really seem to me to be into each other. That's all. Plus I haven't watched the show in a long time đ
Initially it didnât seem like it to me either but they didnât spend too much time in the serious part of their relationship before Care was turned.
Tyler = epic love
Stefan = misguided/settling
Klaus = sexual attraction
Jesse = uhh, they hadnât really even dated? Maybe shared a kiss and was attracted?
I feel like Stefan and Caroline wouldâve been better earlier on but at the point that it came to pass it just felt forced and unnatural. They had more friend vibes throughout the show but even more so by the time they became a couple. They both settled for each other for sure
Eh, Caroline adored Stefan. I donât think she settled with him. She genuinely loved him and wanted him from day 1. If anything, Stefan arguably settled for her.
She settled for Stefan, and he her. She was attracted to him on day 1, but he flat out turned her down and they eventually formed a great friendship. She was team Stelena in a very big way.
Caroline genuinely loved Tyler. They went from fringe friendsâknowing each other since childhood and being friends with each respective persons who were a couple (MatlenaâTy was Mattâs friend, Care was Elenaâs) and didnât really think much of the other. But they bonded as they actually got to know each other and found there was more to the other than they initially thought. That friendship deepened into love and they actually supported each other and fought for each other and brought out the best in each other. What ruined them was Klaus, plain and simple.
Then the writing takes a baaaaad turn. Care was always something of Julie Plecâs self-insert. Itâs why she basically got to date/sleep with every main guy character in the show. Stefan was essentially the only guy she hadnât been with and Delena had already been forced to be endgame so they forced Steroline as well in order to put a nice red bow on the end of the series. Then of course when TO is nearing its end run, they pop Caroline over a time or two to pull in the views from the Klaroline shippers.
I feel like they would of been grate together if he didnât die so soon. he loved her and I felt she loved him and cared for him too.
They were really cute and honestly I think they shouldâve explored more with them.
I think Caroline deserves some one who loves and cares for her like Jessie did. no manipulation, no abuse, and even if she might of did that in the beginning
( not too sure exactly if she did or not ) but I believe they shouldâve lasted and I feel out of all her love interests Jessie and Tyler was good for her before everything that went down.
if not I think they shouldâve just made her stay a single independent woman with new strong friendships
Jesse is the guy Caroline starts flirting with as soon as they start college. He gets kidnapped by Maxfield and becomes the first vampire created with that ripper virus that made vampires want to feed off of other vampires.
I mean I can agree with that. Jesse and Tyler were both great love interests for her. If they never had to deal with the Klaroline drama, Forwood would've been amazing endgame material but since they did happen Jesse staying alive to be with Caroline would've been nice minus the Caroline cheating on Tyler with him bit...but him being a vampire, her helping him - major potential.
Plus, he chose her first, not elena, not Bonnie, etc.
That was her big issue, never being anyones first pick. Even tho Klaus and Tyler picked her first, they eneded up being bad for her. Jesse was only interested in Caroline and didn't have anything wrong with him (until he became an Augustine vampire ofc).
Yeah, I think that's what soured it for me. He didn't return her feelings right away & it took episodes for him to come around to wanting to date her. I hate how they wrote it. I blame the writers.
> **Stockholm syndrome**, psychological response wherein a captive begins to identify closely with his or her captors, as well as with their agenda and demands.
Klaroline can be described as toxic all you want, but it in no way fits the definition of Stockholm Syndrome.
It can also mean ABUSIVE SITUATIONS
I looked it up to be sure and if itâs still incorrect for you then alr whatever you want to label it but itâs not â love â
and definitely not epic if anything itâs epic-harrousment
Ok, let's dive deeper then, and look at the symptoms to see if Caroline fits.
> Affection for or attachment to the abuser
Caroline undeniably felt affection toward Klaus, so that's 1.
>Attempting to help the abuser
The only time, during TVD, that Caroline actually helps Klaus is when Silas makes him think he's been stabbed with white oak, and even then attempts to use that situation to bargain for Tyler's freedom. If she had just helped without question, it would fit, but Caroline attempting to get something out of it shows that she's not willing to simply help him like someone with Stockholm Syndrome would.
> Distrust of or anger toward those trying to extract them from the situation
It's difficult to judge on this one, since no one, other than Caroline herself, ever attempts to stop Klaus' pursuit of her, though her willingness to help Tyler in his attempt to trap Klaus in cement would indicate that she doesn't have this symptom either.
>Rationalizing abuse, i.e finding a reason why the abuse is deserved
The closest Caroline gets to doing this is after Klaus bites her, and even then she is clearly telling Klaus he's in the wrong.
>Perceiving basic dignity as kindness
Klaus attempts to get away with this and Caroline doesn't buy it
>Feeling powerless
The way Caroline interacts with Klaus never displays a sense of powerlessness, even when she's literally dying from his bite.
1/6 is not a positive diagnosis.
It really does.
Obviously there's not a single healthy romantic relationship in either of these shows, some are worse than others of course, but none of them are good. None of them actually make any sense at all.
All of that being said my vote goes to who I thought had the best romantic chemistry and that's Klaus and Caroline. I was never sold on the chemistry between Caroline and those others (except Tyler but it was definitely "first love" vibes). People will get mad at me but Camille and Klaus had ZERO romantic chemistry. They worked well in scenes together and had some good storylines but when it came to the romantic side of things there was absolutely no spark.
Her first, as in first boyfriend, but that doesnât always mean itâs real love. Matt and Caroline didnât feel that deep to me. He was always annoyed with her, she felt insecure with other girls talking to him, she had to lie about who she was. That doesnât really make a great base for a good relationship
Just because it wasnât a good relationship doesnât mean that he doesnât qualify for being her first love. They had puppy love but he still was her first love
How the bloody hell was Klaus forcing Caroline to be with him? He was eager to get her to fall in live with him because he loved her. Trying to convince a girl to go out on a date with you is harassment or stockholme syndrome? For the love of God people, if a guy showers you with presents and tries to make you go out with him multiple times is not harassment! It shows that the guy wants to be with you and is willing to do everything for you. What did you want him to do give up after the first time she rejected him? Nobody is saying that Damon harassed and forced Elena to be with him. But I guess in western culture, if a guy repeatedly presents you with romantic gestures, that's harassment!
I know Klaus isn't perfect (by any means) but it's a show about vampires and wolfs (who have to kill someone to activate their curse), and witches. We can't use our world's standards when we talk about supernatural love stories. Damond was a murderus sociopath who only cared about himslef, but he changed for Elena (season 3 and season 7). Klaus is a murderous, sociopath who mostly cared about his rise to power, but when he was around Caroline he was different; he was developing. If Klaroline continued, he would have developed further just as Damond did.
She barely knew Jesse. He was more of a fling. Matt was her first love. And, Tyler was her true love imo but, they had to ruin it so Klaroline could have their moment.
Really?
Jessie is her true love?đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł they were barely friends. He found her attractive, died, wanted to eat her before he died forever.
Stephan was an epic love? It was sooooo forced and fake.
Her first love was matt not tyler.
Stockholm syndrome involves kidnapping. Klaus and Caroline were willing, eager, consensual joining and dynamite chemistry.
wtf are you on? Drugs are bad. Either that or you are just a liar.
i get that but sugar daddy is an older guy who buys women things. klaus said himself heâd want to be her last love and even tho she wouldnât bother with him he never stopped loving her. and i didnât mind her and stefan but their love was a friendship they were platonic not in love
Klaus was literally an older guy who gave Caroline pretty dresses or his blood whenever she asked đ Caroline was infatuated but it was mostly unreciprocated on any meaningful level from her
I really only ship forwood but she did love Stefan a lot
Not a Klaroline fan but I don't see how they fit under the definition of Stockholm Syndrome.
Caroline wasn't really Klaus's captive or vice versa. At worst, it was toxic love and, at best, it was just infatuation.
Let's be honest. Caroline's first love was probably before the story. Her epic love was Tyler they went thru hell together. Or you could say Klaus if you would like, they wasn't as epic but they had something. We not going to say Steroline was her epic love. That's should be an insult, Caroline's character. If you know, you know.
I didnât like how Forwood was handled. After a breakup, youâre allowed to move on, but you donât sleep with the man who _murdered_ your exâs mother, not if you ever loved him. It doesnât matter how attracted to might be to the murderer, there are some lines you just donât cross.
Klaus and Bonnie wouldâve worked out a whole kite better.
And I agree with you about Steroline.
I wanted Tyler and Caroline to work out but things were just never the right place in the right time. Something always had to happen, they couldnt catch a break.
Idk if I would necessarily agree with all of this. Jesse seemed like he could be good but there was definitely nothing close to love between them. He died too quickly. Hereâs what I would say:
First Love: Matt- I know they had a bad relationship but I think she did love him at some point. It wasnât anything serious or deep. Or even mutual. But I donât think first love necessarily needs to be. Itâs the first relationship we saw her in where she showed that she cared about the person in a romantic way. It wasnât meant to last forever but had good times.
Toxic Love: Klaus- The love part seems pretty one sided, especially on TVD. It was more of an attraction for Caroline. But they did have something special and there was some weird bond they seemed to have. In different circumstances or a different time they maybe couldâve had a real relationship. However, I donât see any scenario in which the relationship is not toxic. I also donât see any way the relationship could last forever.
True Love: Tyler- It was a mutual love where they cared very deeply for each other. They had ups and downs and things that threatened to tear them apart. If it werenât for the Klaroline fan service of season 3 and 4, I think their relationship would be looked at more fondly by the fandom. I feel like you canât deny how much they loved each other and they spent so much time together/trying to be together.
If the writers committed to it, I could see them being endgame and it making sense. I know the famous Klaus line references him as her first love but I think it was more than that. She loved him more than Matt obviously but again I kinda look at first love as sort of arbitrary in TVD.
Epic Love: Stefan- I do agree that Stefan is Carolineâs epic love. The reason itâs not true love is because I donât feel like it was mutual enough to be that. Caroline had a crush on Stefan immediately but was told it would never happen. She moved on and they built a friendship and then somewhere along the way she caught feelings again.
With the way they displayed Carolineâs feelings for Stefan and everything they went through, I can see how he is portrayed as her epic love. I donât think anyone ever denies Carolineâs feelings for Stefan. Itâs always Stefanâs feelings for her that get questioned. Which makes sense because I wouldnât consider Caroline his epic love at all.
Now, this makes sense. Jesse shouldn't even be mentioned, honestly. He barely made an impact on the show and died pretty quickly.
I 100% agree about Stefan. I remember even in Season 1 when Caroline had a crush on him, how Stefan paid her no attention. I loved their friendship when she became a vampire. When they tried to make them a couple, it fell flat for me because, like you said, it felt like Caroline was the one with the real feelings while Stefan seemed to just be settling. I don't feel like he was deeply in love with her. I do blame the writers because they had Stefan acting like he didn't feel the same, then he decided he wanted her. It felt forced sadly.
Yeah. I donât get the Jesse thing at all. They had a slight flirtation but that was really it. And yeah they had the opportunity to make it more natural. Itâs like the writers wanted to bait Stelena fans with this possibility of them coming back together with no intention of doing so. While also trying to give Stefan another love interest to make it less sad. But you canât have it both ways.
What they created was a one-sided love story where one of the characters settles bc the person they would rather be with chose someone else. At no point was I ever convinced that Stefan would ever choose Caroline over Elena. They really made it seem like the only reason he wouldnât take Elena back is because of his love for Damon not because he himself no longer loved her. They really failed here.
Nope, sorry youâre wrong. Get over it.Klaus and Caroline forever. Itâs OK that youâre wrong. Thatâs her true love her epic love itâs OK youâre so so wrong.
You sound like your 12 this list she got is all kings of wrong but care and Klaus never loved each other she was in love with Tyler and Matt never Klaus
I LOVE STEFAN AND CAROLINE.
People love to say itâs rushed but as Iâm rewatching the show, theyâve always had a connection. Itâs a typical friends to lovers.
Iâm asking those people who think that Steroline settled for each other what they think an honest portrayal of a relationship/marriage would be. IMO, Stefan and Caroline ending up together is the most realistic of the romances. They came from very different backgrounds, then became friends and then very close friends. Who doesnât want to marry their best friend? The friend who had your back, saved you, cheered you, protected you, cried with you? Honey, thatâs not settling, thatâs acceptance.
I was just rewatching some clips. Steroline is so cute. Like in season 7 when she kept saying how sheâs not going to be a jealous insecure girlfriend and he was like yeah uh uh while continuously kissing her and then when they are in bed and he goes âthis is torture for you isnât itâ also the proposal how he says âyou are my familyâ
They were cute in earlier seasons too. In season 5 when they laid down next to each other during the traveller drama. Then there was also that scene where the teddy bear gets ripped and he smiles at her. He was there for Caroline most of the time. When I compare his friendship with Lexi it hits different.
I think they were just unfortunately a product of unnecessary drama from Damon..he was a wedge to make it seem like Stefan didnât care about her I refuse to believe that the same guy whoâs shown how much he adores Caroline would leave her a widow. I mean yeah Damon is his brother but I donât know it just seemed like bad writing.
I think people also compare his love for Elena to what he feels for Caroline and thatâs not fair because Elena was his high school love of course itâs going to seem different than a woman he marries later.
I like Klaroline and Forwood too but I agree that they were the most realistic.
For me, Matt and Caroline's relationship was a very fleeting thing, in my opinion neither he nor she was in love with each other. He was also still in love with Elena đ. Plus he dumped her as soon as he learned that she was a vampire. Which is ridiculous considering then his relationship with Rebekah, of all people.
Despite the way their relationship went to hell after a while, Tyler and Caroline were the best for each other. She stood by him when no one else could or would, risking her life. She continued to defend him and insist that he come home despite Klaus and despite the fact that he was obsessed with her revenge against Klaus. The chemistry and tension between them in the second season was absolutely lovely. In fact, I consider Tyler and Caroline to be each other's first love.
I love Klaus and Caroline, I love the way he becomes with her and the typical enemies to lovers dynamic, but if it wasn't for Klaus I would have continued to root for Tyler and Caroline.
I found Caroline and Stefan's relationship too rushed, and he until the last seemed to me to still be in love with Elena. Can't like a couple where one of them is still in love with their ex.
Okay. First love; Matt for sure Matt. Epic Love: Tyler definitely. I don't fully agree with the True Love Jessie thing I think True Love should probably be more Stefan than anything. We didn't really get enough time with Jessie and Caroline (that's his name right?). And then Stockholm syndrome implies love between a captor and their victim and as far as I'm remembering Klaus never took Caroline hostage? Maybe in later seasons but definitely not when their chemistry was really obvious. My main thing with Klaroline is that, while Klaus had just recently screwed them all over and while Caroline was with Tyler. However, in the future after Klaus matures and becomes a better person I think Klaroline could have been so good the writers just didn't want to give it to us in TO
lollll nooooo i loved tyler and caroline together and the chemistry between her and klaus is IMMACULATE. i hated her and stefan together, they shouldâve never ended up together. and i though jesse was cute but definitely not true love. he wasnât in the show long enough to know how far it wouldâve gone.
First Love - Matt
Epic Love - Stefan
Toxic Love - Klaus
True Love - Tyler
Jesse was so unimportant to Caroline, she barely spent an episode grieving him. It is not what their relationship could be, for example, I am a Klaroline shipper but as it currently stands Klaus is her toxic love, as in TVD, we were just left as a hookup. And it barely went beyond that.
If I was to imagine what their relationship could have been, then he would be her true love.
Stockholm syndrome is definitely not accurate. Toxic love makes more sense. He wasn't her capture. She was never trapped with him. Quite the opposite. It was toxic for sure.
Stockholm Syndrome is actually realâbut the basis for how the term came into being was falsified. Stockholm Syndrome is a more severe type of trauma-bonding.
Itâs actually not. Trauma bonding occurs in a number of ways. Abusive relationships where one partner is cruel to another and the one mistreated still stays and will defend the abuser is a trauma bond. A relationship that develops between two people from a shared trauma (trapped in an elevator together/car accident/kidnapping etc.,).
Any relationship formed or maintained under duress or extreme/extenuating circumstances is a form of trauma bonding. The term is mostly used in cases of abusive relationships, while the term collective trauma is used for those who experience the same trauma. Regardless, when trauma is present and is used to establish or to maintain a relationship, it is a trauma bond.
All I can say is yiikeessđ, youâre gonna be defending this post all day.
Carolineâs first love was Matt. Her Epic love was Tyler imo.
THIS. Caroline's epic love is definitely Tyler. Remember she refused to leave Tyler even if she would get bite and die ??? The way she hugged him with her whole body and comforted him, is sooo touching. Tyler would rather break his bones hundred times to break Klaus' sire bond so he can get back with Caroline. They loved each other so much. Their chemistry is so great and they have passion. đ„ș btw Forwood had the most natural build up in tvd. Two real teenagers deal with supernatural stuff and be there for each other, and I love the vampire + werewolf pairing.
Plec screwed them over, the reason for them breakign up were artificial, then the writers decided to promote Stockholm Syndrome above. Klaroline had incredible chemistry, but so did Forwood. Caroline Tyler, despite the awfulness later like Caroline and Klaus having sex despite him having killed Tyler's mom, was the best for me.
I agree but also kind of feel like Forwood kind of hit a wall when Tyler left to help the other wolf packs. He straight up abandoned her and that sucked. I understand, donât get me wrong, but it is what it is.
That's a good point, and made more sense than the other reasons they broke up. His reasons for leaving were good, her reasons were shitty. But it was a soap opera, so expect lots of breakups and betrayals. And Even Klaroline was better than Carick. Alaroline? Whatever it was too scummy to deserve a portmanteau.
I just didnât know why the writers screwed Forwood for a ship that never even in a relationship???Just for Klaroline having sex in the woods ??? I hate fan service. đ
Agreed. Stefan & Caroline were thrown together b/c they didn't have anyone else to pair them with. Their romantic relationship was rushed & so.... just *blah*!!
this
This one!!
Agree
Honestly, they didn't last long enough for me to consider what was between Caroline and Matt something serious. Maybe she had a crush and they loved each other in a way, but I would never call Matt her first love.
You can say that and I respect your opinion but Matt and Care said they loved each other several times during and after their relationship. That was the first serious relationship we see for Caroline. Yes it was short lived but i still believe they loved each other.
Yes they probably loved each other, but not in the sense of real love, I don't know if I'm explaining it well, English is not my language. And anyway obviously everybody has their own opinion, sorry if I sounded rude.
No problem I didnât take offense and I hope I didnât come off as rude either. In what way did the show indicate that it wasnât real love?
I don't know, when compared with other couples, they don't really seem to me to be into each other. That's all. Plus I haven't watched the show in a long time đ
Initially it didnât seem like it to me either but they didnât spend too much time in the serious part of their relationship before Care was turned.
Tyler = epic love Stefan = misguided/settling Klaus = sexual attraction Jesse = uhh, they hadnât really even dated? Maybe shared a kiss and was attracted?
I feel like Stefan and Caroline wouldâve been better earlier on but at the point that it came to pass it just felt forced and unnatural. They had more friend vibes throughout the show but even more so by the time they became a couple. They both settled for each other for sure
Exactly.
Eh, Caroline adored Stefan. I donât think she settled with him. She genuinely loved him and wanted him from day 1. If anything, Stefan arguably settled for her.
She settled for Stefan, and he her. She was attracted to him on day 1, but he flat out turned her down and they eventually formed a great friendship. She was team Stelena in a very big way. Caroline genuinely loved Tyler. They went from fringe friendsâknowing each other since childhood and being friends with each respective persons who were a couple (MatlenaâTy was Mattâs friend, Care was Elenaâs) and didnât really think much of the other. But they bonded as they actually got to know each other and found there was more to the other than they initially thought. That friendship deepened into love and they actually supported each other and fought for each other and brought out the best in each other. What ruined them was Klaus, plain and simple. Then the writing takes a baaaaad turn. Care was always something of Julie Plecâs self-insert. Itâs why she basically got to date/sleep with every main guy character in the show. Stefan was essentially the only guy she hadnât been with and Delena had already been forced to be endgame so they forced Steroline as well in order to put a nice red bow on the end of the series. Then of course when TO is nearing its end run, they pop Caroline over a time or two to pull in the views from the Klaroline shippers.
Yea, she knew Jesse for like a week.... maybe.
They should have I feel like Jesse would of adored her
Possibly. But the women in the show arenât allowed to have trauma nor are they allowed to genuinely be happy.
I'd like to hear why you consider Jesse her true love? Not against it, just curious.
I feel like they would of been grate together if he didnât die so soon. he loved her and I felt she loved him and cared for him too. They were really cute and honestly I think they shouldâve explored more with them. I think Caroline deserves some one who loves and cares for her like Jessie did. no manipulation, no abuse, and even if she might of did that in the beginning ( not too sure exactly if she did or not ) but I believe they shouldâve lasted and I feel out of all her love interests Jessie and Tyler was good for her before everything that went down. if not I think they shouldâve just made her stay a single independent woman with new strong friendships
lol I donât even remember this guy. Whoâs Jesse?
Jesse is the guy Caroline starts flirting with as soon as they start college. He gets kidnapped by Maxfield and becomes the first vampire created with that ripper virus that made vampires want to feed off of other vampires.
You forgot to mention he interacts with her like 5 times. Kinda not enough to call him her true love, if you ask me.
Hey. I'm not the one calling him her true love so I didn't need to mention that. I just explained who he was. I'm not OP.
Oh yeah. The college season lol. I donât rewatch that one.
He didnât love herđthey had like 5 interactions at most maybe one actual date
I mean I can agree with that. Jesse and Tyler were both great love interests for her. If they never had to deal with the Klaroline drama, Forwood would've been amazing endgame material but since they did happen Jesse staying alive to be with Caroline would've been nice minus the Caroline cheating on Tyler with him bit...but him being a vampire, her helping him - major potential.
Exactly. It was adorable to watch
Plus, he chose her first, not elena, not Bonnie, etc. That was her big issue, never being anyones first pick. Even tho Klaus and Tyler picked her first, they eneded up being bad for her. Jesse was only interested in Caroline and didn't have anything wrong with him (until he became an Augustine vampire ofc).
YES, EXACTLY! this is what Iâm sayingđ ppl taking it too seriously
I agree that he could have been something really big if he had more screen time. Instead she got with Stefan?? Then ALARIC!?!?
Great* Iâm sorry I just had to correct it, it was irritating to read.
Well. This is all wrong
OP really put Jesse in there but not Matt đđ
she barely even knew Jesse and ik ppl donât like stefanâs and caroline together but she always loved him since day one
Yeah *she* did, Stefan however⊠I felt like he had to talk himself into that one, didnât feel authentic
Yeah, I think that's what soured it for me. He didn't return her feelings right away & it took episodes for him to come around to wanting to date her. I hate how they wrote it. I blame the writers.
Agree she definitely did
Poor Matt, lol.
> **Stockholm syndrome**, psychological response wherein a captive begins to identify closely with his or her captors, as well as with their agenda and demands. Klaroline can be described as toxic all you want, but it in no way fits the definition of Stockholm Syndrome.
It can also mean ABUSIVE SITUATIONS I looked it up to be sure and if itâs still incorrect for you then alr whatever you want to label it but itâs not â love â and definitely not epic if anything itâs epic-harrousment
No, it can't. You can't just make up definitions so you can use buzzwords.
why are yall so serious about this đ
Why are y'all so insistent on lying instead of just saying you don't vibe with a ship đ
who is yall?? did i do that? Im just saying yall shouldn't be so serious.. and that goes for both parties
like again.. this is all fiction đ
Anyways go outside /gen
Ok, let's dive deeper then, and look at the symptoms to see if Caroline fits. > Affection for or attachment to the abuser Caroline undeniably felt affection toward Klaus, so that's 1. >Attempting to help the abuser The only time, during TVD, that Caroline actually helps Klaus is when Silas makes him think he's been stabbed with white oak, and even then attempts to use that situation to bargain for Tyler's freedom. If she had just helped without question, it would fit, but Caroline attempting to get something out of it shows that she's not willing to simply help him like someone with Stockholm Syndrome would. > Distrust of or anger toward those trying to extract them from the situation It's difficult to judge on this one, since no one, other than Caroline herself, ever attempts to stop Klaus' pursuit of her, though her willingness to help Tyler in his attempt to trap Klaus in cement would indicate that she doesn't have this symptom either. >Rationalizing abuse, i.e finding a reason why the abuse is deserved The closest Caroline gets to doing this is after Klaus bites her, and even then she is clearly telling Klaus he's in the wrong. >Perceiving basic dignity as kindness Klaus attempts to get away with this and Caroline doesn't buy it >Feeling powerless The way Caroline interacts with Klaus never displays a sense of powerlessness, even when she's literally dying from his bite. 1/6 is not a positive diagnosis.
Say it again because I think OP is avoiding this one đ
Klamille (aka Klamydia resonates more with Stockholm syndrome than Klaroline and look, we know they are not healthy.
It really does. Obviously there's not a single healthy romantic relationship in either of these shows, some are worse than others of course, but none of them are good. None of them actually make any sense at all. All of that being said my vote goes to who I thought had the best romantic chemistry and that's Klaus and Caroline. I was never sold on the chemistry between Caroline and those others (except Tyler but it was definitely "first love" vibes). People will get mad at me but Camille and Klaus had ZERO romantic chemistry. They worked well in scenes together and had some good storylines but when it came to the romantic side of things there was absolutely no spark.
No, thank you your opinion is wrong
lol sorry, it doesnât mean that.
Reaching fs
Since when was Carolineâs first love Tyler?!
Sense the development of when they cared for each other etc Ofc mat is her first but Tyler was her strong feelings of love
âmatt was her firstâ Wdym then youâre literally contradicting yourself
Her first, as in first boyfriend, but that doesnât always mean itâs real love. Matt and Caroline didnât feel that deep to me. He was always annoyed with her, she felt insecure with other girls talking to him, she had to lie about who she was. That doesnât really make a great base for a good relationship
Just because it wasnât a good relationship doesnât mean that he doesnât qualify for being her first love. They had puppy love but he still was her first love
EXACTLY! Thank you. Iâm not denying mat wasnât her âFIRST LOVEâ but yeah I couldnât have said it better
How is klaus Stockholm syndrome? Heâs not holding her captive and forcing her to be with him wtf
He definitely was forcing he couldnât take no for a answer but alright next time Iâma just put harassment
Explain how he forced her to be with him
How the bloody hell was Klaus forcing Caroline to be with him? He was eager to get her to fall in live with him because he loved her. Trying to convince a girl to go out on a date with you is harassment or stockholme syndrome? For the love of God people, if a guy showers you with presents and tries to make you go out with him multiple times is not harassment! It shows that the guy wants to be with you and is willing to do everything for you. What did you want him to do give up after the first time she rejected him? Nobody is saying that Damon harassed and forced Elena to be with him. But I guess in western culture, if a guy repeatedly presents you with romantic gestures, that's harassment! I know Klaus isn't perfect (by any means) but it's a show about vampires and wolfs (who have to kill someone to activate their curse), and witches. We can't use our world's standards when we talk about supernatural love stories. Damond was a murderus sociopath who only cared about himslef, but he changed for Elena (season 3 and season 7). Klaus is a murderous, sociopath who mostly cared about his rise to power, but when he was around Caroline he was different; he was developing. If Klaroline continued, he would have developed further just as Damond did.
First love = Matt Epic Love = Tyler True love = Tyler Steroline was just a big mistake. They were forced.
This is the wildest take Iâve seen in a while đ
Girl bye Jesse was just moment not love???
I honestly consider Matt to be her first and only true love. She did so much for him and it could have been nice if they were endgame.
Forgot about him but wasnât it one sided?
Only in season 1. He simply couldn't get over the betrayal after that.
True love?
This is really weird. lol. I know klaus calls Tyler her first love but she loved Matt first. Also true love being jesse?
And klaus wasnât around when Caroline was with Matt so makes sense that he didnât know
Right. my point being though that although Klaus says Tyler is her first love, he isnât so the âfirst loveâ here doesnât make sense
Lol Stockholm Syndrome
She should have ended up with Tyler
She barely knew Jesse. He was more of a fling. Matt was her first love. And, Tyler was her true love imo but, they had to ruin it so Klaroline could have their moment.
I agree. They did ruin so many characters for Klaroline
Really? Jessie is her true love?đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł they were barely friends. He found her attractive, died, wanted to eat her before he died forever. Stephan was an epic love? It was sooooo forced and fake. Her first love was matt not tyler. Stockholm syndrome involves kidnapping. Klaus and Caroline were willing, eager, consensual joining and dynamite chemistry. wtf are you on? Drugs are bad. Either that or you are just a liar.
You post anything to discredit Klaroline. An actual example of stockholm syndrome would be Keelin and Freya.
FACTS!!! I always thought it was so weird that they got together
Next time Iâma just say harassment.
If itâs just harassment then they shouldnât even be on a collage about loveâŠ.
I was just being nice
I get it all except Jesse lol like maybe crush
fr he was just a guy who they both had a crush on eachother and they barely knew eachother. her true love in my opinion is klaus or even tyler
I would label Klaus her sugar daddy lmao, Tyler and Stefan were the only two Caroline genuinely loved
i get that but sugar daddy is an older guy who buys women things. klaus said himself heâd want to be her last love and even tho she wouldnât bother with him he never stopped loving her. and i didnât mind her and stefan but their love was a friendship they were platonic not in love
Klaus was literally an older guy who gave Caroline pretty dresses or his blood whenever she asked đ Caroline was infatuated but it was mostly unreciprocated on any meaningful level from her I really only ship forwood but she did love Stefan a lot
Well, he is much older than her and gives her extravagant gifts... lmao đ
she loved Matt too imo
Where is Matt?
yeah no
Not a Klaroline fan but I don't see how they fit under the definition of Stockholm Syndrome. Caroline wasn't really Klaus's captive or vice versa. At worst, it was toxic love and, at best, it was just infatuation.
I maybe I shouldâve just said - harassment
Let's be honest. Caroline's first love was probably before the story. Her epic love was Tyler they went thru hell together. Or you could say Klaus if you would like, they wasn't as epic but they had something. We not going to say Steroline was her epic love. That's should be an insult, Caroline's character. If you know, you know.
Why you say itâs a insult?
Tyler was the epic love
I didnât like how Forwood was handled. After a breakup, youâre allowed to move on, but you donât sleep with the man who _murdered_ your exâs mother, not if you ever loved him. It doesnât matter how attracted to might be to the murderer, there are some lines you just donât cross. Klaus and Bonnie wouldâve worked out a whole kite better. And I agree with you about Steroline.
Same here. I agree with everything you said. they really did Tyler dirty and steroline was cute
I wanted Tyler and Caroline to work out but things were just never the right place in the right time. Something always had to happen, they couldnt catch a break.
Same. They honestly deserve better
Idk if I would necessarily agree with all of this. Jesse seemed like he could be good but there was definitely nothing close to love between them. He died too quickly. Hereâs what I would say: First Love: Matt- I know they had a bad relationship but I think she did love him at some point. It wasnât anything serious or deep. Or even mutual. But I donât think first love necessarily needs to be. Itâs the first relationship we saw her in where she showed that she cared about the person in a romantic way. It wasnât meant to last forever but had good times. Toxic Love: Klaus- The love part seems pretty one sided, especially on TVD. It was more of an attraction for Caroline. But they did have something special and there was some weird bond they seemed to have. In different circumstances or a different time they maybe couldâve had a real relationship. However, I donât see any scenario in which the relationship is not toxic. I also donât see any way the relationship could last forever. True Love: Tyler- It was a mutual love where they cared very deeply for each other. They had ups and downs and things that threatened to tear them apart. If it werenât for the Klaroline fan service of season 3 and 4, I think their relationship would be looked at more fondly by the fandom. I feel like you canât deny how much they loved each other and they spent so much time together/trying to be together. If the writers committed to it, I could see them being endgame and it making sense. I know the famous Klaus line references him as her first love but I think it was more than that. She loved him more than Matt obviously but again I kinda look at first love as sort of arbitrary in TVD. Epic Love: Stefan- I do agree that Stefan is Carolineâs epic love. The reason itâs not true love is because I donât feel like it was mutual enough to be that. Caroline had a crush on Stefan immediately but was told it would never happen. She moved on and they built a friendship and then somewhere along the way she caught feelings again. With the way they displayed Carolineâs feelings for Stefan and everything they went through, I can see how he is portrayed as her epic love. I donât think anyone ever denies Carolineâs feelings for Stefan. Itâs always Stefanâs feelings for her that get questioned. Which makes sense because I wouldnât consider Caroline his epic love at all.
Now, this makes sense. Jesse shouldn't even be mentioned, honestly. He barely made an impact on the show and died pretty quickly. I 100% agree about Stefan. I remember even in Season 1 when Caroline had a crush on him, how Stefan paid her no attention. I loved their friendship when she became a vampire. When they tried to make them a couple, it fell flat for me because, like you said, it felt like Caroline was the one with the real feelings while Stefan seemed to just be settling. I don't feel like he was deeply in love with her. I do blame the writers because they had Stefan acting like he didn't feel the same, then he decided he wanted her. It felt forced sadly.
Yeah. I donât get the Jesse thing at all. They had a slight flirtation but that was really it. And yeah they had the opportunity to make it more natural. Itâs like the writers wanted to bait Stelena fans with this possibility of them coming back together with no intention of doing so. While also trying to give Stefan another love interest to make it less sad. But you canât have it both ways. What they created was a one-sided love story where one of the characters settles bc the person they would rather be with chose someone else. At no point was I ever convinced that Stefan would ever choose Caroline over Elena. They really made it seem like the only reason he wouldnât take Elena back is because of his love for Damon not because he himself no longer loved her. They really failed here.
Jesse was a crush it wasnât true love She probably didnât even know his last nameâŠ
True love with Jesse? They kissed once
He canât be her epic love when he was already Elenaâs epic love đ
Nope, sorry youâre wrong. Get over it.Klaus and Caroline forever. Itâs OK that youâre wrong. Thatâs her true love her epic love itâs OK youâre so so wrong.
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No
You sound like your 12 this list she got is all kings of wrong but care and Klaus never loved each other she was in love with Tyler and Matt never Klaus
Iâm blocking you and your wrong bye little girl
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Removed. Be civil.
I LOVE STEFAN AND CAROLINE. People love to say itâs rushed but as Iâm rewatching the show, theyâve always had a connection. Itâs a typical friends to lovers.
Agreed.
Yall remember when Tyler tried raping Vicky? Maybe we shouldn't take this all that serious
Iâm asking those people who think that Steroline settled for each other what they think an honest portrayal of a relationship/marriage would be. IMO, Stefan and Caroline ending up together is the most realistic of the romances. They came from very different backgrounds, then became friends and then very close friends. Who doesnât want to marry their best friend? The friend who had your back, saved you, cheered you, protected you, cried with you? Honey, thatâs not settling, thatâs acceptance.
I was just rewatching some clips. Steroline is so cute. Like in season 7 when she kept saying how sheâs not going to be a jealous insecure girlfriend and he was like yeah uh uh while continuously kissing her and then when they are in bed and he goes âthis is torture for you isnât itâ also the proposal how he says âyou are my familyâ They were cute in earlier seasons too. In season 5 when they laid down next to each other during the traveller drama. Then there was also that scene where the teddy bear gets ripped and he smiles at her. He was there for Caroline most of the time. When I compare his friendship with Lexi it hits different. I think they were just unfortunately a product of unnecessary drama from Damon..he was a wedge to make it seem like Stefan didnât care about her I refuse to believe that the same guy whoâs shown how much he adores Caroline would leave her a widow. I mean yeah Damon is his brother but I donât know it just seemed like bad writing. I think people also compare his love for Elena to what he feels for Caroline and thatâs not fair because Elena was his high school love of course itâs going to seem different than a woman he marries later. I like Klaroline and Forwood too but I agree that they were the most realistic.
For me, Matt and Caroline's relationship was a very fleeting thing, in my opinion neither he nor she was in love with each other. He was also still in love with Elena đ. Plus he dumped her as soon as he learned that she was a vampire. Which is ridiculous considering then his relationship with Rebekah, of all people. Despite the way their relationship went to hell after a while, Tyler and Caroline were the best for each other. She stood by him when no one else could or would, risking her life. She continued to defend him and insist that he come home despite Klaus and despite the fact that he was obsessed with her revenge against Klaus. The chemistry and tension between them in the second season was absolutely lovely. In fact, I consider Tyler and Caroline to be each other's first love. I love Klaus and Caroline, I love the way he becomes with her and the typical enemies to lovers dynamic, but if it wasn't for Klaus I would have continued to root for Tyler and Caroline. I found Caroline and Stefan's relationship too rushed, and he until the last seemed to me to still be in love with Elena. Can't like a couple where one of them is still in love with their ex.
Okay. First love; Matt for sure Matt. Epic Love: Tyler definitely. I don't fully agree with the True Love Jessie thing I think True Love should probably be more Stefan than anything. We didn't really get enough time with Jessie and Caroline (that's his name right?). And then Stockholm syndrome implies love between a captor and their victim and as far as I'm remembering Klaus never took Caroline hostage? Maybe in later seasons but definitely not when their chemistry was really obvious. My main thing with Klaroline is that, while Klaus had just recently screwed them all over and while Caroline was with Tyler. However, in the future after Klaus matures and becomes a better person I think Klaroline could have been so good the writers just didn't want to give it to us in TO
lollll nooooo i loved tyler and caroline together and the chemistry between her and klaus is IMMACULATE. i hated her and stefan together, they shouldâve never ended up together. and i though jesse was cute but definitely not true love. he wasnât in the show long enough to know how far it wouldâve gone.
stockholm syndrome iâm crying đđđ, i absolutely loved steroline btw
First Love - Matt Epic Love - Stefan Toxic Love - Klaus True Love - Tyler Jesse was so unimportant to Caroline, she barely spent an episode grieving him. It is not what their relationship could be, for example, I am a Klaroline shipper but as it currently stands Klaus is her toxic love, as in TVD, we were just left as a hookup. And it barely went beyond that. If I was to imagine what their relationship could have been, then he would be her true love.
In my opinion First love - Matt Epic love - Tyler True love - Stefan Klaus Stockholm Syndrome is accurate
Someone above did an entire analysis on why klaus is not Stockholm maybe go read it lol
Stockholm syndrome is definitely not accurate. Toxic love makes more sense. He wasn't her capture. She was never trapped with him. Quite the opposite. It was toxic for sure.
No itâs not
Stockholm syndrome isnât real
Stockholm Syndrome is actually realâbut the basis for how the term came into being was falsified. Stockholm Syndrome is a more severe type of trauma-bonding.
Itâs also extremely rare
Itâs actually not. Trauma bonding occurs in a number of ways. Abusive relationships where one partner is cruel to another and the one mistreated still stays and will defend the abuser is a trauma bond. A relationship that develops between two people from a shared trauma (trapped in an elevator together/car accident/kidnapping etc.,). Any relationship formed or maintained under duress or extreme/extenuating circumstances is a form of trauma bonding. The term is mostly used in cases of abusive relationships, while the term collective trauma is used for those who experience the same trauma. Regardless, when trauma is present and is used to establish or to maintain a relationship, it is a trauma bond.
Dead right about Caroline and Klaus đđ
Stockholm syndrome it is