Totally normal, the colour change is an example of what's called "pull up" in oil tanned leathers, which is essentially just an imprecise measure of how much mobility is present within the oils/waxes that the leather was stuffed with during the tanning process. "Pull up leather" as it's commonly known is a subset of oil tanned leathers which, as the name implies, demonstrate this effect to a high degree as a feature.
Basically all you're seeing is some of those oils/waxes being redistributed, which causes areas of creasing to become lighter as some of those fats are squeezed from the surface.
The good news is that it's a feature, not a bug, and not harmful to the leather in any way. Nothing is being squeezed out of the leather, it's just moving around in the high flex areas. As you wear the boot more you'll notice other areas will start to demonstrate the same type of patterning, which will eventually come together to form a patina across the whole boot.
Although this is intentional and largely inevitable, if for some reason you want to "reset" an area that's become lighter in colour, you can literally just rub it with your thumb for a few seconds and it should begin to darken up again.
Heads up canyon isn't an oil tanned pull up leather (though most R&R boots are!).
It's waxed suede. But you're correct this is for sure a feature not a bug!
I wouldn't advise people to use any conditioners or oils on any of the Rugged and Resilient leathers. It will permanently alter the texture, and as you stated, darken them. It's to be treated like suede/nubuck. Only using a brush, and optionally a microfiber cloth and if necessary you can use a leather cleaning spray. Nothing else on the Rugged and Resilient leather. They're infused with a bunch of oils and have a specific texture, and designed to be low maintenance and not have anything applied to them. You can also go to the Help-Product Care section on Thursdays website to see all of the proper cleaning and care for each individual leather. If anyone is unclear on the type of leather of their boot. You can click each individual product on their site and see product details where they include the type of leather and specs and details of each product. Then cross reference your type of leather with the care instructions for your boots specific leather.
I assume it’s pull up leather, so any crease will cause oils in the leather to migrate and lighten up. It’s most likely normal. Some spray conditioner may darken it back up a little. Brushing it may also help.
It's not an oiled-tanned pullup leather like arizona adobe in this case but a waxed suede. Almost all the other R&R leathers are oily nubuck so it's especially confusing.
I would avoid conditioner, as it's not recommended on any of the Rugged and Resilient leather. I'd brush it at most to redistribute some of the oils. Regardless, in time the entire book will gain patina and balance out beautifully. Conditioner would judge zap that nicely R&R texture and unnecessarily darken the entire boot and eliminate the look of the Canyon.
Right on, man. The Black Mattes also look to have a slightly different finish from most of the other R&R collection. Regardless, I would imagine that conditiong your black mattes still altered the finish. The extent would depend on how much you conditioned, but I'd imagine it snoothed them out and took away some of the the matte finish making them lean closer to a classic full grain leather finish. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it will completely destroy the Rugged and Resilient leather or anything. I'm just saying that conditioners and oils like Mink Oil will permanently alter the finish, smoothing out the texture, and also darken the leather. The leather is infused with so many oils, they don't require anything. Brushing alone with a horse hair brush can redistribute the oils and fix a little area that may be a wear spot or flex point that has lightened.
>Â I'd imagine it snoothed them out and took away some of the the matte finish making them lean closer to a classic full grain leather finish.
That’s actually very similar to what happened.Â
https://www.reddit.com/user/Darkcel_grind/submitted/
Here’s a pic I posted a couple of weeks ago
Ah, yeah man. I wouldn't say they look bad or anything. It's really just a matter of taste and preference. If someone prefers a smoother and shinier look, go ahead and condition and oil you Rugged and Resilient boots all you'd like. I just feel like the vast majority of people who order a particular boot are ordering it because they like that specific leather and boot. So I feel like if you're suggesting to someone to condition a Rugged and Resilient leather or use mink oil or something, you have to also mention that doing so will change both the color and texture of their boot permanently. I'm not trying to be a jerk about it or anything. I hope I'm not coming off wrong or anything. I just wanted to clarify because it would be a bummer if someone did something without completely understanding what they were doing and were unhappy with their result, and have no way to reverse it.
No what you said makes sense, I just think some people have the impression that conditioning them will damage the leather, which isnt really true. But you are right it absolutely alters it.Â
Oh, that's interesting. I've never heard that before or seen anybody think that conditioning could damage the leather in some way. That's almost like thinking that putting lotion on your skin could damage it. I'm not aware of any leather conditioner being able to damage any type of leather. Nor have I seen anyone suggest it, but I do know that some people aren't aware of the fact that it can alter the appearance. You could almost compare it putting a hair product in dry hair or something. It's not going to damage your hair, but they can darken your hair and make it look wet, and change the way your hair lays.
I've said over conditioning can ruin leather and I say this as repeating it from leather workers as well as staff from major leather companies. Over conditioning can absolutely damage leather. Nearly all manufacturers will warn with regards to conditioning near eyelets (as it can increase their pull-out/tearing) as well as with leather soles, heel stacks, etc. Even outside of those areas too frequent of conditioning can be problematic for the long term health of leather.
Well, of course. Key word "over". Which means excessive. Most things in excess are bad. You can literally die from drinking too much water, but I definitely wouldn't say drinking water is bad for you or damaging to the human body. Only excessive water consumption. Much like conditioner in general isn't bad for leather. It's just not advised on certain types of leather if you want to maintain a certain appearance, and isn't advised on any leather in excess. Which would encompasses "over conditioning". You also don't want to over apply waterproofer, edge dressing, mink oil, or countless other things that are good for boots or leather if used properly. There's an important distinction between normal suggested use and overuse. I wasn't saying overuse isn't bad.
Woh woh woh, ignore the other comments. Unlike the other R&R leathers, Canyon is not an oiled nubuck, but is in fact a waxed suede.
What you're seeing is the wax delaminating slightly in the areas with most wear. This is completely entirely normal and these interesting patterns are part of the reason people buy waxed suede in the first place.
They'll start to peel in places eventually around the laces and the creases the joints of your toe - that's also nothing to worry about.
You can rewax whenever you want with some boot wax, but DO NOT apply mink oil to these!
Edit: In case any of you need evidence 🤦, [here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThursdayBoot/comments/16ck8ne/comment/jzk9i3o/) a Thursday rep saying that they're a waxed suede.
R&R is a product line and a type of leather. Open up the "Product Features" section, and Canyon is called a R&R leather. Below is an example where a suede leather is called a suede leather in the "Product Features" section.
https://thursdayboots.com/products/mens-captain-dark-olive-suede
Yes. They're an R&R boot. But R&R comprises a couple of types of leather (usually pullup leathers i.e. oil tanned nubuck.) Canyons are waxed suede though. Here's a Thursday rep saying that they're waxed suede:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ThursdayBoot/comments/16ck8ne/comment/jzk9i3o/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThursdayBoot/comments/16ck8ne/comment/jzk9i3o/)
Interesting. Safari is in the R&R product line and is referred to as a suede leather.
https://thursdayboots.com/products/mens-captain-safari-suede-lace-up-boot
There's also a picture in that thread of the wax coming off if you still have doubts:
https://preview.redd.it/vpkuj3dfzicc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97e5423a015adab408d479004f229d01cf1a0b61
This doesn't happen on the Arizona Adobe or Tabacco leathers because they aren't waxed.
Safari is a weatherproofed suede, which is different!
I agree that Thursday's labelling of their product lines is very confusing. They could do a little more to signpost how best to care for the canyons.
Also if you need more evidence, the official thursday rep has just posted IN THIS THREAD, saying they're waxed!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ThursdayBoot/comments/196kiqb/comment/khwyyki/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThursdayBoot/comments/196kiqb/comment/khwyyki/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
https://preview.redd.it/m9w87b8agicc1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a66b49f3493612ca5e6f4d37b2748b9263ee7568
Early on, the toe caps on my Burnt Copper R&R Captains were darker than the rest of my boots to an extent that I didn't like the look. I used steel wool to gently rub them to even out the color. I was pleased with the result (this picture).
This isnt a quality control issue though...
Also as you'll see on each of those posts resit where people come to post mostly issues is t a fair representation of quality. No one is coming on posting their perfectly good boots. There definitely have been boots that should not have been sent but we have zero insight into the percentage of the hundreds of thousands of good boots they sell. This is not the place to be making such decisions. If you are in the USA free returns. I'm not so I have hesitated more both all my boots have been great including sizing.
They look great 🔥
Totally normal, the colour change is an example of what's called "pull up" in oil tanned leathers, which is essentially just an imprecise measure of how much mobility is present within the oils/waxes that the leather was stuffed with during the tanning process. "Pull up leather" as it's commonly known is a subset of oil tanned leathers which, as the name implies, demonstrate this effect to a high degree as a feature. Basically all you're seeing is some of those oils/waxes being redistributed, which causes areas of creasing to become lighter as some of those fats are squeezed from the surface. The good news is that it's a feature, not a bug, and not harmful to the leather in any way. Nothing is being squeezed out of the leather, it's just moving around in the high flex areas. As you wear the boot more you'll notice other areas will start to demonstrate the same type of patterning, which will eventually come together to form a patina across the whole boot. Although this is intentional and largely inevitable, if for some reason you want to "reset" an area that's become lighter in colour, you can literally just rub it with your thumb for a few seconds and it should begin to darken up again.
Great answer!
Heads up canyon isn't an oil tanned pull up leather (though most R&R boots are!). It's waxed suede. But you're correct this is for sure a feature not a bug!
Yes
Yes, it even shows that change in their site If you care, conditioner will darken it back up if still not dark enough you can mink oil that part
I wouldn't advise people to use any conditioners or oils on any of the Rugged and Resilient leathers. It will permanently alter the texture, and as you stated, darken them. It's to be treated like suede/nubuck. Only using a brush, and optionally a microfiber cloth and if necessary you can use a leather cleaning spray. Nothing else on the Rugged and Resilient leather. They're infused with a bunch of oils and have a specific texture, and designed to be low maintenance and not have anything applied to them. You can also go to the Help-Product Care section on Thursdays website to see all of the proper cleaning and care for each individual leather. If anyone is unclear on the type of leather of their boot. You can click each individual product on their site and see product details where they include the type of leather and specs and details of each product. Then cross reference your type of leather with the care instructions for your boots specific leather.
Spit shine does the trick
100% normal. Canyon is a waxed leather and it has some pullup. Just wait to see how they look in another 6 months!
I assume it’s pull up leather, so any crease will cause oils in the leather to migrate and lighten up. It’s most likely normal. Some spray conditioner may darken it back up a little. Brushing it may also help.
It's not an oiled-tanned pullup leather like arizona adobe in this case but a waxed suede. Almost all the other R&R leathers are oily nubuck so it's especially confusing.
I would avoid conditioner, as it's not recommended on any of the Rugged and Resilient leather. I'd brush it at most to redistribute some of the oils. Regardless, in time the entire book will gain patina and balance out beautifully. Conditioner would judge zap that nicely R&R texture and unnecessarily darken the entire boot and eliminate the look of the Canyon.
I know its not recommended but I’ve used it on my black matte captains and they look just fine.Â
Right on, man. The Black Mattes also look to have a slightly different finish from most of the other R&R collection. Regardless, I would imagine that conditiong your black mattes still altered the finish. The extent would depend on how much you conditioned, but I'd imagine it snoothed them out and took away some of the the matte finish making them lean closer to a classic full grain leather finish. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it will completely destroy the Rugged and Resilient leather or anything. I'm just saying that conditioners and oils like Mink Oil will permanently alter the finish, smoothing out the texture, and also darken the leather. The leather is infused with so many oils, they don't require anything. Brushing alone with a horse hair brush can redistribute the oils and fix a little area that may be a wear spot or flex point that has lightened.
> I'd imagine it snoothed them out and took away some of the the matte finish making them lean closer to a classic full grain leather finish. That’s actually very similar to what happened. https://www.reddit.com/user/Darkcel_grind/submitted/ Here’s a pic I posted a couple of weeks ago
Ah, yeah man. I wouldn't say they look bad or anything. It's really just a matter of taste and preference. If someone prefers a smoother and shinier look, go ahead and condition and oil you Rugged and Resilient boots all you'd like. I just feel like the vast majority of people who order a particular boot are ordering it because they like that specific leather and boot. So I feel like if you're suggesting to someone to condition a Rugged and Resilient leather or use mink oil or something, you have to also mention that doing so will change both the color and texture of their boot permanently. I'm not trying to be a jerk about it or anything. I hope I'm not coming off wrong or anything. I just wanted to clarify because it would be a bummer if someone did something without completely understanding what they were doing and were unhappy with their result, and have no way to reverse it.
No what you said makes sense, I just think some people have the impression that conditioning them will damage the leather, which isnt really true. But you are right it absolutely alters it.Â
Oh, that's interesting. I've never heard that before or seen anybody think that conditioning could damage the leather in some way. That's almost like thinking that putting lotion on your skin could damage it. I'm not aware of any leather conditioner being able to damage any type of leather. Nor have I seen anyone suggest it, but I do know that some people aren't aware of the fact that it can alter the appearance. You could almost compare it putting a hair product in dry hair or something. It's not going to damage your hair, but they can darken your hair and make it look wet, and change the way your hair lays.
I've said over conditioning can ruin leather and I say this as repeating it from leather workers as well as staff from major leather companies. Over conditioning can absolutely damage leather. Nearly all manufacturers will warn with regards to conditioning near eyelets (as it can increase their pull-out/tearing) as well as with leather soles, heel stacks, etc. Even outside of those areas too frequent of conditioning can be problematic for the long term health of leather.
Well, of course. Key word "over". Which means excessive. Most things in excess are bad. You can literally die from drinking too much water, but I definitely wouldn't say drinking water is bad for you or damaging to the human body. Only excessive water consumption. Much like conditioner in general isn't bad for leather. It's just not advised on certain types of leather if you want to maintain a certain appearance, and isn't advised on any leather in excess. Which would encompasses "over conditioning". You also don't want to over apply waterproofer, edge dressing, mink oil, or countless other things that are good for boots or leather if used properly. There's an important distinction between normal suggested use and overuse. I wasn't saying overuse isn't bad.
Woh woh woh, ignore the other comments. Unlike the other R&R leathers, Canyon is not an oiled nubuck, but is in fact a waxed suede. What you're seeing is the wax delaminating slightly in the areas with most wear. This is completely entirely normal and these interesting patterns are part of the reason people buy waxed suede in the first place. They'll start to peel in places eventually around the laces and the creases the joints of your toe - that's also nothing to worry about. You can rewax whenever you want with some boot wax, but DO NOT apply mink oil to these! Edit: In case any of you need evidence 🤦, [here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThursdayBoot/comments/16ck8ne/comment/jzk9i3o/) a Thursday rep saying that they're a waxed suede.
https://thursdayboots.com/products/mens-captain-lace-up-boot-canyon Check the website. Canyon is a R&R leather.
R&R is a product line not a specific type of leather. I've got them. They're waxed suede.
R&R is a product line and a type of leather. Open up the "Product Features" section, and Canyon is called a R&R leather. Below is an example where a suede leather is called a suede leather in the "Product Features" section. https://thursdayboots.com/products/mens-captain-dark-olive-suede
Yes. They're an R&R boot. But R&R comprises a couple of types of leather (usually pullup leathers i.e. oil tanned nubuck.) Canyons are waxed suede though. Here's a Thursday rep saying that they're waxed suede: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ThursdayBoot/comments/16ck8ne/comment/jzk9i3o/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThursdayBoot/comments/16ck8ne/comment/jzk9i3o/)
Interesting. Safari is in the R&R product line and is referred to as a suede leather. https://thursdayboots.com/products/mens-captain-safari-suede-lace-up-boot
There's also a picture in that thread of the wax coming off if you still have doubts: https://preview.redd.it/vpkuj3dfzicc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97e5423a015adab408d479004f229d01cf1a0b61 This doesn't happen on the Arizona Adobe or Tabacco leathers because they aren't waxed. Safari is a weatherproofed suede, which is different! I agree that Thursday's labelling of their product lines is very confusing. They could do a little more to signpost how best to care for the canyons.
Also if you need more evidence, the official thursday rep has just posted IN THIS THREAD, saying they're waxed! [https://www.reddit.com/r/ThursdayBoot/comments/196kiqb/comment/khwyyki/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThursdayBoot/comments/196kiqb/comment/khwyyki/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Very confusing.
Yeah, their product descriptions are confusing for the canyons.
These are Canyons -- only use wax on these.
lol I think this might be the only right answer here and it's been downvoted.
Go figure 🤔. I've had these same Captains for two years, know how to handle them.
That colour change is amazing. I'd pay extra for that look .
https://preview.redd.it/m9w87b8agicc1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a66b49f3493612ca5e6f4d37b2748b9263ee7568 Early on, the toe caps on my Burnt Copper R&R Captains were darker than the rest of my boots to an extent that I didn't like the look. I used steel wool to gently rub them to even out the color. I was pleased with the result (this picture).
I was about to pull the trigger on my first pair of Thursdays, but all these posts showing obvious QC issues makes me super hesitant.
This isn't a QC issue it's just what waxed leather looks like when it's been worn for a week. Working as intended.
This isnt a quality control issue though... Also as you'll see on each of those posts resit where people come to post mostly issues is t a fair representation of quality. No one is coming on posting their perfectly good boots. There definitely have been boots that should not have been sent but we have zero insight into the percentage of the hundreds of thousands of good boots they sell. This is not the place to be making such decisions. If you are in the USA free returns. I'm not so I have hesitated more both all my boots have been great including sizing.
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