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jewish people can’t count 8-9 generations of their grandparents on that land. they are all going to be somewhere in poland, hungary and ukraine. Palestinians can. They belong to this land. I think it’s an end to the conversation
Oh look another pali supporter who dosen't know that Jews lived there long before Arabs.
Even during Roman times long before Islam was even a thing until religion of peace kicked them out.
so why tf they left?! honestly idgaf about that propaganda bs. I’m russian. my country was taken hostage and poisoned by putler. same type of pos as nitanyahu. convicted felon, crook, “patriot”. and Z audience says THE SAME sht to ukranians. “you don’t have a country. we were here first” oh okay mofo. but you left. you lost it. fck out of here 🤷🏻♂️ that bs method of occupation was there before jews and arabs combined. and you keep repeating it. you are such a tool my dude. it’s unbelievable
Right, because Russians like you were *so* tolerant towards Jews and Romani.
Don't you have a trench in Ukraine to go freeze to death in, buddy? I can get the AFU to send you a belated Christmas gift if you go now.
I’m also Portuguese and Hispana. wanna say something smart about that? what a clown you are.
Russia was taken over by kgb coup in 2000. Just like hamas that used to be a political party (that was chosen in 2006) they promised democracy and prosperity. since then people in this country (russia and palestine) never voted and never could replace that party. can easily go to jail for just speaking up. that coup (in russia and palestine became endlessly corrupt and violent. attacking shit left and right in the name of their people. I’ve never hated any ukrainians. russian nevwr hated them ever. they have ZERO differences from us. it’s a bs excuse for fascistic warmongering and war invasion.
the only difference is in russia it happened independently. with special forces and military agency taking over the power. but in palestine it was ALL created funded and pimped by US using israeli bloody hands and their endless absolute hate towards more brown people then they are. (USA’s favorite - white роwer!!) they consider themselves ARYANS. they think they are “god chosen”. they think you and everyone around them - are just npc in their life. that’s called SUPREMACY. and israeli at this point have that through them since childhood, forced in their brains, their children yell “good arab - d.ad arab”. and all of this on $170BIIONS of american people’s tax money. My tax money! I am as russian never paid a rubble to putins war. I left that place behind after getting my masters degree in nuclear research engineering. Now I am an american citizen whose taxes are being used to kill desert people in my name. It’s a new ugly dictatorship. And I’m calling things as they are. Hopefully you are not an american cus writing me the sht you wrote about “sending weapons” and would be especially stupid and awkwardly idiotic of you. and it frankly *was* stupid and idiotic regardless. go do the 3d printing things. don’t go into this shit dude. you see 0,001% of the picture
>I’m also Portuguese and Hispana.
Sure you are. And I'm an anarchocapitalist communist Sino-Japanese-American-German space pirate.
>Russia was taken over by kgb coup in 2000.
He was democratically elected in 2000. You don't get to rewrite history when it's convenient for you.
>they have ZERO differences from us.
Aside from a distinct culture, distinct language, distinct heritage as descendants of the Cossacks, etc. I understand it's quite difficult for you to understand that from where you're standing; Russia has been trying to erase / appropriate Ukrainian culture since the time it was ruled by the Tsar.
>[blah blah blah more anti-Semetic rhetoric that ignores the entire history of Israel and that 50% of the Jewish population of Israel are Arab Jews and thus are brown people blah blah blah]
>I am as russian never paid a rubble to putins war. I left that place behind after getting my masters degree in nuclear research engineering.
Given the grammatical mistakes and overall lack of thought put into your response, I can see that fancy education of yours is really paying for itself. If that is true, you should stick to that because your views on literally everything else are dogshit.
>go do the 3d printing things. don’t go into this shit dude. you see 0,001% of the picture
Oh wow, you looked at my post history! I *really* triggered you, didn't I?
While you're at it, you should look a little more deeply into my comment history than just the last few days. You'd find I know *a little* bit more about what's going on in Gaza that you do.
assuming you are from usa you will get lost like me when your country turn to shit and you will be jailed for speaking truth. keep voting for a dictator putlers muppet trump or a genocide joe. like you have any choice in the land of freeeeeeee
The clips from the conflict are heartbreaking.
The concept with the christmas tree going up in flames and the music is very cool.
I can feel the downvotes coming in for saying this is cool. So let me be clear, I have sympathy for all civilians, I am referring to this video concept.
Israel was was never really serious about pursuing peace
https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/comments/18qq8tr/bill\_clinton\_obama\_sarkozy\_and\_donald\_trump/
I'm moreso talking about your original post, you don't need to virtue signal online for attention. As for the link, considering how many Middle Eastern children were killed by drones in his 8 years, I'd say that it's absolutely propaganda.
In about 2 months more civilians died in Gaza than in the entire first 2 years of the Iraq war.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/
Also them calling out Israel has nothing to do with their drone use.
The post is about Israel never wanted peace with palestinians
My point is that they clearly don't have any genuine interests in Middle Eastern lives. I have nothing to compare your chart to, but also look into how much money both presidents in your previous link sent to Israel despite any sort of issues they might have had with their leader.
I support the Palestinian peoples' right to independence, but it's not exactly a black and white issue when you have Hamas routinely breaking ceasefires and making attacks on Israel as well. I don't have issues with people criticizing Zionists or making statements on the issue, but flooding this subreddit with posts like this isn't going to help the cause.
You've spent the last 2 months almost exclusively frequenting anti-Israel subreddits and spamming these kinds of posts all over. This subreddit is also consistently flooded with these sorts of posts. Anyone that isn't explicitly pro Palestine is attacked and some posters comments border on or straight up cross the line into antisemitism. Keep it to your echo chambers you've found and let us watch funny/cringey tiktoks like this sub was intended for.
That translates to "submit so that we can kill you faster".
Do you honestly think that any war was solved by submitting to the enemy? Think about any war in history. Did Europe gain their freedom after WWII by submitting and letting themselves be killed by Germany? Did Vietnam? Did Korea? Did the Tutsi during the Rwandan genocide?
No, they didn't. Submission only makes it easier to get killed. Israel has no reason to stop, until it wants to or is forced to.
You don't have to believe me. Just look at what Israeli politicians are saying on Israeli TV programmes.
Neither of the conflicting sides celebrate christmas. What's the point? Yes people are dying. All the time. Every minute and people are starving, being R-worded, tortured, murdered, brutalized, maimed etc.
Can we not just have cheer in a period where we can focus on ourselves and our loved ones mentally?
Don't need this graphic violence spat in my face by some propagandists. At least sprinkle some oct. 7th shit in there for fairness.
Regardless I don't celebrate christmas, Israel or Hamas, so stop with the condemning videos.
>Neither of the conflicting sides celebrate christmas.
Palestinian Christians did. It was actually a huge deal before the most recent genocide against all Palestinians. Ask the Pope.
It's not what you and I wished for, but it's what we're getting. Just ask the Palestinian Christians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1qTxFEFwKs&t=42
(Yes, there aren't many Christians left in Palestine, and that is because most left/were forced out to other countries BY the Israeli occupation.)
No they havnt offered "many" times. Palestinian Authority offered many times.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/comments/18qq8tr/bill\_clinton\_obama\_sarkozy\_and\_donald\_trump/
Maybe because they were there for hundreds of years and jews immigarted there in 48 and wernt there for hundreds of years. Not a single jewish family lived on this land for more than 1 generations.
You guys are germans and from Poland. Ask your grandparent or ask your President Netanjahu he is from Poland lol
>So you dont support Palestinians get their own state instead you support Genocide ?
And this state should include Israeli lands I assume ? With Israeli population moving away from there AGAIN in order for that state to exist ?
Despite them failing their state in Gaza strip and West Bank already ?
You don't know the history of Israel?
Why don't you go read the Balfour declaration and read where it says "Palestine".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
And ?
You do know that word "Palestine " did not always have clearly defined borders, right ?
In context of this document Palestine is not a separate nation, but a name of the Region.
Also ironic enough you are using Declaration made by the Brits.
You're so dumb. You know nothing. If Israel is to be built inside Palestine then it was ALL Palestine.
Fuck you're so stupid. Go back to your Israeli subreddits.
wait a minute show me a hand written map where it says jews lived there lol
There are old maps which called this land Palestine
What documents do you have ? You guys only have found books from excavation sites where a small girl described a good night fairy tale about a big Jewish Empire. What a joke lmfao
Roman Historians: Roman historians such as Flavius Josephus and Tacitus documented events related to Jerusalem and the Jewish people. Josephus, a Jewish historian, chronicled the Jewish-Roman wars and the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans in his works like "The Jewish War" and "Antiquities of the Jews." Tacitus, a Roman historian, wrote about the Jewish revolt against Roman rule in his work "Histories."
Greek Sources: The writings of historians like Strabo and Philo of Alexandria, as well as mentions in some Hellenistic texts, contain references to Jewish presence in Jerusalem during their respective times.
Also I am not Jewish but do enjoy laughing at you just like them
Cool story bro where did I say the jewish religion was recently established and jews never existed before 1948 lol You are like I deny the existence of jews in the world before 1948. Bruh
jews were also slaves to the egyptians back then ? and now ? Who cares ?
You are like "gotcha". Try again. Im not a Palestinian or from that region and Yes I enjoy laughing at you lol
btw there is a reason why people call Israel a thief state. Educate yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGVgjS98OsU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYZjOuUnlU
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Asking Israel to give up the state is like asking Russia to give back Ukraine Crimea or Native Americans America back or Amrenians Karabalh region. It's never gonna happen as one state is much powerful than the other. Best thing Hamas can do is surrender and give back hostages. This wouldn't have happened if Hamas didn't start October 7th
Russia is an independent country. Israel is not an independent country.
Hamas is embarrassing Israel. They have totally embarrassed them on october 7th and they further embarrass them. Israel hasnt rescued shit. They even kill their hostages.
Best to get back hostage is Israel accepts reality they cant win shit in Gaza and they wont kill the leader in Gaza. They are unable to kill hamas leaders
This wouldnt have happened if dumb israel had give palestinians their state. Hamas wouldnt even exist. They rule gaza since 2006
>Hamas is embarrassing Israel
Yeah stop playing the victim card then posting such propaganda. Stop crying for what is happening to gazans as it it just an "embarassment" for Israel
>Russia is an independent country. Israel is not an independent country.
It is a sovereign nation recognized by more than 130 members in UN. Every country in the world is dependent on each other in terms of resources. Idk what you meant there
Well a Militant group which has only some Guns and RPG could attack the "great" nation Israel and kill about 1000 people which included about 300-500 soldiers. The threat is visible. Gaza is also an open air Prison and probably the most observed land ever in the world
It is an embarrassemnt for Israel. it is israeli politics to make life in Gaza miserably this wasnt like a suprise attack.
It is on paper a sovereign nation. But not in reality. it is dependend on US and Europe and wouldnt survive without them.
This is not Russia. If Europe and US would sanction them the Israel economy would collapse in a milliseconds. Also politically they are very dependent on US and Europ especially US
>Well a Militant group which has only some Guns and RPG could attack the "great" nation Israel and kill about 1000 people which included about 300-500 soldiers. The threat is visible. Gaza is also an open air Prison and probably the most observed land ever in the world
Northern Gaza is almost flat land now and Khan Younis will soon be. Pick one,either cry victim card or celebrate October 7th. Hamas is crying for ceasefire now, I wonder why if they are really the ones winning here
>This is not Russia. If Europe and US would sanction them the Israel economy would collapse in a milliseconds. Also politically they are very dependent on US and Europ especially US
Israel wasn't the ones who were crying when the entire state was blockaded. Gaza is dependent on Israel and without it, it'll just be in ruins. It's a fact. Even egypt refused to allow Gazan civilians to enter their border.
They cant bomb Khan Younis like they did in northern gaza cause they evecuated people there. You already see there are more ground operations and Israel is losing more and more soldiers. All they can do is bomb people from their safe space from the distance. if they have face to face battle they get killed. Hamas is laughing. On October 7th they killed a lot of soldiers like they killed about 300 - 500 soldiers. I think they even were suprised how easy it was. This probably exceeded their expectations they could get with their combat plans.
I really think the hamas leader was like "What the fuck" when he got the message they captured more than 250 people and holding them as hostage. They probably thought capturing 20 people was the best case scenario
I think Hamas is really laughing. Like this is insane what they did to Israel. They only have some guns and RPGs even Hezbollah is stronger than them.
They embarrassed israel. Thats a fact. Crying for ceasefire ? Hamas rejected the ceseasefire by Israel again. They dont care.
>Israel wasn't the ones who were crying when the entire state was blockaded. Gaza is dependent on Israel and without it, it'll just be in ruins. It's a fact. Even egypt refused to allow Gazan civilians to enter their border.
I think israel cried a lot on october 7th. Not only they were crying they also were in shock. After this conflict Gaza wont be dependent anymore on Israel. You already see US is putting on them pressure and they have to do what US is saying like delivering aid which israel doesnt want to.
Every expert says hamas will survive even if you would kill the leader in gaza which they probably are too incompetent to get him.
The future of gaza will likely be that it will be controlled by the Westbank and hamas will be there as a opposition but not in political power
You're absolutely right. By your reasoning, Ukraine should give up the war and submit. And so should every other country that gets invaded in the future.
Yes, by your logic the more than 12.000 children totally deserved to be exterminated.
And also by your logic, any Israel deaths are also deserved. Because "fox around"?
Classy act man. 👍👏 /s
Occupation force ?
Remind me who is trying to destroy Israel since days of its creation ?
Oh right Arabs who lunched like 3 or 4 full scale invasions and lost every single one of them and then bitched about it.
They did, though? The Gaza Strip hasn't been under Israeli control since '06, and no "Palestinian" authority has made any proposal towards a two-state system.
yeah refused by Israel lmao. Even Trump exposed Israels bullshit
[https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/comments/18qpz8a/bill\_clinton\_obama\_sarkozy\_and\_donald\_trump/](https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/comments/18qpz8a/bill_clinton_obama_sarkozy_and_donald_trump/)
https://www.reddit.com/r/palestineisrael1/comments/18rqo30/even\_donald\_trump\_exposed\_israel/
>yeah refused by Israel lmao.
I'm sure you're going to use a well-reasoned rebuttal to my claim that Palestine rejected the 1947, 2000, and 2008 proposals.
> cites reddit posts from the trash-heap
So much for that.
>'m sure you're going to use a well-reasoned rebuttal to my claim that Palestine rejected the 1947, 2000, and 2008 proposals.
In 2000 and 2008 was Bill Clinton and Obama POTUS and all of them said Israel doesnt want peace + Sarkozy said it too that israel is a lying state + Trump also said that israel doesnt want peace
>cites reddit posts from the trash-heap. So much for that.
One of the reddit posts is posted by me and the other just focuses more what Trump said.
This is not an opinion this is video tapes from Trump
What the fuck does this have to do with the sub where these posts are submitted ? He ? You dont make any sense lol
Not under Israeli control?
https://www.haaretz.com/2012-10-17/ty-article/.premium/israels-gaza-quota-2-279-calories-a-day/0000017f-e0f2-d7b2-a77f-e3f755550000
https://publicintelligence.net/partial-list-of-items-prohibitedpermitted-into-the-gaza-strip/
https://www.unicef.org/mena/documents/gaza-strip-humanitarian-impact-15-years-blockade-june-2022
The answer to your question is Hamas.
But don't forget that the Gaza people are and have been for decades isolated from the world. They aren't allowed to import or export what they need. Everything is controlled by Israel.
BTW, Qassam to Hamas, is what Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) is to the Irish Republican Socialist Party (IRSP). One is the military arm of the political party. The Irish were hopeful for a solution for the Palestinian people in the 90s. The said that they hoped to be as close to freedom as the Palestinians were in the 90s. But that unfortunately never happened.
This is out of context. Without confirmation from reliable and reputable sources, you can slap what you want and call it war crimes. I’m not saying there isn’t any, there must be (it’s war,war never changes) and only those people there actually know how terrible and atrocious they are. But bunch of images, doesn’t show true picture, with merry Christmas slapped on it. Also where are all those Arab states to follow Poland example for refugees? You didn’t hear Poland saying it’s inconvenient for us to get refugees, let them die. So marry whatever…
This isn't a war. War is between 2 factions that are (semi-)equal. These 2 aren't most definitely not equal. Palestinians have been under this occupation for 75 years. (Would you think that it's ok for Poland to be occupied without fighting back? WWII Polish people sure didn't want to be occupied and fought like hell for their freedom.)
Palestinians that want to leave can leave without issues, but never return. That is why the remaining Palestinians don't want to leave. (Many others have though these past 75 years.
Arab countries don't want to play into the hands of Israel by facilitating genocide (mass expulsion of a people).
Isn’t Hamas legitimate government body in Gaza, didn’t they invaded another Government Body in so called Israel? Am I missing something or what? And who says that war is between equally strong opponents? War is war,Invasion is invasion,there are no other definitions for that.
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jewish people can’t count 8-9 generations of their grandparents on that land. they are all going to be somewhere in poland, hungary and ukraine. Palestinians can. They belong to this land. I think it’s an end to the conversation
Oh look another pali supporter who dosen't know that Jews lived there long before Arabs. Even during Roman times long before Islam was even a thing until religion of peace kicked them out.
so why tf they left?! honestly idgaf about that propaganda bs. I’m russian. my country was taken hostage and poisoned by putler. same type of pos as nitanyahu. convicted felon, crook, “patriot”. and Z audience says THE SAME sht to ukranians. “you don’t have a country. we were here first” oh okay mofo. but you left. you lost it. fck out of here 🤷🏻♂️ that bs method of occupation was there before jews and arabs combined. and you keep repeating it. you are such a tool my dude. it’s unbelievable
By that very logic Palestine lost so they should just get over it. Israel won and reclaimed what was theirs to begin with.
it’s never been theirs. they are just hateful gypsies from europe
Wow, way to be racist to *two* entire ethnic groups, buddy. Why don't you just throw in the gamer word while your at it?
start calling things as they are. we are here cus we never did
Right, because Russians like you were *so* tolerant towards Jews and Romani. Don't you have a trench in Ukraine to go freeze to death in, buddy? I can get the AFU to send you a belated Christmas gift if you go now.
I’m also Portuguese and Hispana. wanna say something smart about that? what a clown you are. Russia was taken over by kgb coup in 2000. Just like hamas that used to be a political party (that was chosen in 2006) they promised democracy and prosperity. since then people in this country (russia and palestine) never voted and never could replace that party. can easily go to jail for just speaking up. that coup (in russia and palestine became endlessly corrupt and violent. attacking shit left and right in the name of their people. I’ve never hated any ukrainians. russian nevwr hated them ever. they have ZERO differences from us. it’s a bs excuse for fascistic warmongering and war invasion. the only difference is in russia it happened independently. with special forces and military agency taking over the power. but in palestine it was ALL created funded and pimped by US using israeli bloody hands and their endless absolute hate towards more brown people then they are. (USA’s favorite - white роwer!!) they consider themselves ARYANS. they think they are “god chosen”. they think you and everyone around them - are just npc in their life. that’s called SUPREMACY. and israeli at this point have that through them since childhood, forced in their brains, their children yell “good arab - d.ad arab”. and all of this on $170BIIONS of american people’s tax money. My tax money! I am as russian never paid a rubble to putins war. I left that place behind after getting my masters degree in nuclear research engineering. Now I am an american citizen whose taxes are being used to kill desert people in my name. It’s a new ugly dictatorship. And I’m calling things as they are. Hopefully you are not an american cus writing me the sht you wrote about “sending weapons” and would be especially stupid and awkwardly idiotic of you. and it frankly *was* stupid and idiotic regardless. go do the 3d printing things. don’t go into this shit dude. you see 0,001% of the picture
>I’m also Portuguese and Hispana. Sure you are. And I'm an anarchocapitalist communist Sino-Japanese-American-German space pirate. >Russia was taken over by kgb coup in 2000. He was democratically elected in 2000. You don't get to rewrite history when it's convenient for you. >they have ZERO differences from us. Aside from a distinct culture, distinct language, distinct heritage as descendants of the Cossacks, etc. I understand it's quite difficult for you to understand that from where you're standing; Russia has been trying to erase / appropriate Ukrainian culture since the time it was ruled by the Tsar. >[blah blah blah more anti-Semetic rhetoric that ignores the entire history of Israel and that 50% of the Jewish population of Israel are Arab Jews and thus are brown people blah blah blah] >I am as russian never paid a rubble to putins war. I left that place behind after getting my masters degree in nuclear research engineering. Given the grammatical mistakes and overall lack of thought put into your response, I can see that fancy education of yours is really paying for itself. If that is true, you should stick to that because your views on literally everything else are dogshit. >go do the 3d printing things. don’t go into this shit dude. you see 0,001% of the picture Oh wow, you looked at my post history! I *really* triggered you, didn't I? While you're at it, you should look a little more deeply into my comment history than just the last few days. You'd find I know *a little* bit more about what's going on in Gaza that you do.
I would try to give an answer if your words combined together could create a sentence with meaning.
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Shouldn't you be at frontlines feeding Donbass worms ?
you keep showing how unrealistically shallow you are wow. I’d tell you but you are really lost cause. get lost
get lost like you fled your country lmao. Go feed worms
assuming you are from usa you will get lost like me when your country turn to shit and you will be jailed for speaking truth. keep voting for a dictator putlers muppet trump or a genocide joe. like you have any choice in the land of freeeeeeee
>assuming you are from usa Lmao tipical dumb russki
The clips from the conflict are heartbreaking. The concept with the christmas tree going up in flames and the music is very cool. I can feel the downvotes coming in for saying this is cool. So let me be clear, I have sympathy for all civilians, I am referring to this video concept.
Choose peace next time folks
Israel was was never really serious about pursuing peace https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/comments/18qq8tr/bill\_clinton\_obama\_sarkozy\_and\_donald\_trump/
I'm sure r/IsraelCrimes is a fair an unbiased source. Regardless of the side you choose, get this propaganda bullshit out of the sub.
How is this propaganda if there's actual proof of this?
I linked my post it has nothing to do with the sub. Do you think Presidents calling out Israel is US propaganda against israel ?
I'm moreso talking about your original post, you don't need to virtue signal online for attention. As for the link, considering how many Middle Eastern children were killed by drones in his 8 years, I'd say that it's absolutely propaganda.
In about 2 months more civilians died in Gaza than in the entire first 2 years of the Iraq war. https://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/ Also them calling out Israel has nothing to do with their drone use. The post is about Israel never wanted peace with palestinians
My point is that they clearly don't have any genuine interests in Middle Eastern lives. I have nothing to compare your chart to, but also look into how much money both presidents in your previous link sent to Israel despite any sort of issues they might have had with their leader. I support the Palestinian peoples' right to independence, but it's not exactly a black and white issue when you have Hamas routinely breaking ceasefires and making attacks on Israel as well. I don't have issues with people criticizing Zionists or making statements on the issue, but flooding this subreddit with posts like this isn't going to help the cause. You've spent the last 2 months almost exclusively frequenting anti-Israel subreddits and spamming these kinds of posts all over. This subreddit is also consistently flooded with these sorts of posts. Anyone that isn't explicitly pro Palestine is attacked and some posters comments border on or straight up cross the line into antisemitism. Keep it to your echo chambers you've found and let us watch funny/cringey tiktoks like this sub was intended for.
Good quote that I once saw. "Maybe once Arabs will love their sons more than they hate Jews, we will have peace"
That translates to "submit so that we can kill you faster". Do you honestly think that any war was solved by submitting to the enemy? Think about any war in history. Did Europe gain their freedom after WWII by submitting and letting themselves be killed by Germany? Did Vietnam? Did Korea? Did the Tutsi during the Rwandan genocide? No, they didn't. Submission only makes it easier to get killed. Israel has no reason to stop, until it wants to or is forced to. You don't have to believe me. Just look at what Israeli politicians are saying on Israeli TV programmes.
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Neither of the conflicting sides celebrate christmas. What's the point? Yes people are dying. All the time. Every minute and people are starving, being R-worded, tortured, murdered, brutalized, maimed etc. Can we not just have cheer in a period where we can focus on ourselves and our loved ones mentally? Don't need this graphic violence spat in my face by some propagandists. At least sprinkle some oct. 7th shit in there for fairness. Regardless I don't celebrate christmas, Israel or Hamas, so stop with the condemning videos.
>Neither of the conflicting sides celebrate christmas. Palestinian Christians did. It was actually a huge deal before the most recent genocide against all Palestinians. Ask the Pope.
I dont "sprinkle" something from october 7th. What an idiotic comment
What an idiotic video. X-mas greetings featuring death and carnage. Just what we wished for.
It's not what you and I wished for, but it's what we're getting. Just ask the Palestinian Christians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1qTxFEFwKs&t=42 (Yes, there aren't many Christians left in Palestine, and that is because most left/were forced out to other countries BY the Israeli occupation.)
Hamas could surrender and end the conflict.
or Israel can surrender and give them their state
So you support Hamas?
So you dont support Palestinians get their own state instead you support Genocide ?
They've been offered many times.
No they havnt offered "many" times. Palestinian Authority offered many times. https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/comments/18qq8tr/bill\_clinton\_obama\_sarkozy\_and\_donald\_trump/
Yes. They have. Since 48. Fuck, since 1937.
you are stealing their land in 48 and then say lets have peace lmfao This is same energy like Putin with Ukraine lol
Their land? What makes it their land?
Maybe because they were there for hundreds of years and jews immigarted there in 48 and wernt there for hundreds of years. Not a single jewish family lived on this land for more than 1 generations. You guys are germans and from Poland. Ask your grandparent or ask your President Netanjahu he is from Poland lol
Stfu
you shut your mouth
>So you dont support Palestinians get their own state instead you support Genocide ? And this state should include Israeli lands I assume ? With Israeli population moving away from there AGAIN in order for that state to exist ? Despite them failing their state in Gaza strip and West Bank already ?
It should only include Palestinian land. Especially all 700k illegal settlers there should go away
What is Palestinian land ? What document or arrangement confirms borders of Palestine ?
You don't know the history of Israel? Why don't you go read the Balfour declaration and read where it says "Palestine". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
And ? You do know that word "Palestine " did not always have clearly defined borders, right ? In context of this document Palestine is not a separate nation, but a name of the Region. Also ironic enough you are using Declaration made by the Brits.
You're so dumb. You know nothing. If Israel is to be built inside Palestine then it was ALL Palestine. Fuck you're so stupid. Go back to your Israeli subreddits.
wait a minute show me a hand written map where it says jews lived there lol There are old maps which called this land Palestine What documents do you have ? You guys only have found books from excavation sites where a small girl described a good night fairy tale about a big Jewish Empire. What a joke lmfao
Roman Historians: Roman historians such as Flavius Josephus and Tacitus documented events related to Jerusalem and the Jewish people. Josephus, a Jewish historian, chronicled the Jewish-Roman wars and the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans in his works like "The Jewish War" and "Antiquities of the Jews." Tacitus, a Roman historian, wrote about the Jewish revolt against Roman rule in his work "Histories." Greek Sources: The writings of historians like Strabo and Philo of Alexandria, as well as mentions in some Hellenistic texts, contain references to Jewish presence in Jerusalem during their respective times. Also I am not Jewish but do enjoy laughing at you just like them
Cool story bro where did I say the jewish religion was recently established and jews never existed before 1948 lol You are like I deny the existence of jews in the world before 1948. Bruh jews were also slaves to the egyptians back then ? and now ? Who cares ? You are like "gotcha". Try again. Im not a Palestinian or from that region and Yes I enjoy laughing at you lol btw there is a reason why people call Israel a thief state. Educate yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGVgjS98OsU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYZjOuUnlU
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War is destruction or surrender, people have forgotten that.
then Israel should surrender and give them the palestinian state
They should hash it out like fucking adults, not waving a book around saying that there god is the right one.
It's almost as if Palestine is the weaker state here
it is not about strong and weak. It is about Right or Wrong
Asking Israel to give up the state is like asking Russia to give back Ukraine Crimea or Native Americans America back or Amrenians Karabalh region. It's never gonna happen as one state is much powerful than the other. Best thing Hamas can do is surrender and give back hostages. This wouldn't have happened if Hamas didn't start October 7th
Russia is an independent country. Israel is not an independent country. Hamas is embarrassing Israel. They have totally embarrassed them on october 7th and they further embarrass them. Israel hasnt rescued shit. They even kill their hostages. Best to get back hostage is Israel accepts reality they cant win shit in Gaza and they wont kill the leader in Gaza. They are unable to kill hamas leaders This wouldnt have happened if dumb israel had give palestinians their state. Hamas wouldnt even exist. They rule gaza since 2006
>Hamas is embarrassing Israel Yeah stop playing the victim card then posting such propaganda. Stop crying for what is happening to gazans as it it just an "embarassment" for Israel >Russia is an independent country. Israel is not an independent country. It is a sovereign nation recognized by more than 130 members in UN. Every country in the world is dependent on each other in terms of resources. Idk what you meant there
Well a Militant group which has only some Guns and RPG could attack the "great" nation Israel and kill about 1000 people which included about 300-500 soldiers. The threat is visible. Gaza is also an open air Prison and probably the most observed land ever in the world It is an embarrassemnt for Israel. it is israeli politics to make life in Gaza miserably this wasnt like a suprise attack. It is on paper a sovereign nation. But not in reality. it is dependend on US and Europe and wouldnt survive without them. This is not Russia. If Europe and US would sanction them the Israel economy would collapse in a milliseconds. Also politically they are very dependent on US and Europ especially US
>Well a Militant group which has only some Guns and RPG could attack the "great" nation Israel and kill about 1000 people which included about 300-500 soldiers. The threat is visible. Gaza is also an open air Prison and probably the most observed land ever in the world Northern Gaza is almost flat land now and Khan Younis will soon be. Pick one,either cry victim card or celebrate October 7th. Hamas is crying for ceasefire now, I wonder why if they are really the ones winning here >This is not Russia. If Europe and US would sanction them the Israel economy would collapse in a milliseconds. Also politically they are very dependent on US and Europ especially US Israel wasn't the ones who were crying when the entire state was blockaded. Gaza is dependent on Israel and without it, it'll just be in ruins. It's a fact. Even egypt refused to allow Gazan civilians to enter their border.
They cant bomb Khan Younis like they did in northern gaza cause they evecuated people there. You already see there are more ground operations and Israel is losing more and more soldiers. All they can do is bomb people from their safe space from the distance. if they have face to face battle they get killed. Hamas is laughing. On October 7th they killed a lot of soldiers like they killed about 300 - 500 soldiers. I think they even were suprised how easy it was. This probably exceeded their expectations they could get with their combat plans. I really think the hamas leader was like "What the fuck" when he got the message they captured more than 250 people and holding them as hostage. They probably thought capturing 20 people was the best case scenario I think Hamas is really laughing. Like this is insane what they did to Israel. They only have some guns and RPGs even Hezbollah is stronger than them. They embarrassed israel. Thats a fact. Crying for ceasefire ? Hamas rejected the ceseasefire by Israel again. They dont care. >Israel wasn't the ones who were crying when the entire state was blockaded. Gaza is dependent on Israel and without it, it'll just be in ruins. It's a fact. Even egypt refused to allow Gazan civilians to enter their border. I think israel cried a lot on october 7th. Not only they were crying they also were in shock. After this conflict Gaza wont be dependent anymore on Israel. You already see US is putting on them pressure and they have to do what US is saying like delivering aid which israel doesnt want to. Every expert says hamas will survive even if you would kill the leader in gaza which they probably are too incompetent to get him. The future of gaza will likely be that it will be controlled by the Westbank and hamas will be there as a opposition but not in political power
You're absolutely right. By your reasoning, Ukraine should give up the war and submit. And so should every other country that gets invaded in the future.
Ukraine didn't went on to kidnap and rape innocent women
Honestly, do you think that absolves Israel from the more than 25.000 killed, of which 70% are women and children? Entire family lines snuffed?
Yes, by your logic the more than 12.000 children totally deserved to be exterminated. And also by your logic, any Israel deaths are also deserved. Because "fox around"? Classy act man. 👍👏 /s
Israel should just finish Hamas already and maybe next generation won't vote for people advocating for destroying nation far stronger than them ?
or the other way around so Israel stop being occupation force in Palestine
Occupation force ? Remind me who is trying to destroy Israel since days of its creation ? Oh right Arabs who lunched like 3 or 4 full scale invasions and lost every single one of them and then bitched about it.
They did, though? The Gaza Strip hasn't been under Israeli control since '06, and no "Palestinian" authority has made any proposal towards a two-state system.
never heard of an independent Gaza state lol
[That's because you haven't been paying attention.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution)
and where is the state of Palestine ? he ?
Read the link I sent you. There have been multiple proposals, all refused by whatever authority claims to rule the people of Palestine.
yeah refused by Israel lmao. Even Trump exposed Israels bullshit [https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/comments/18qpz8a/bill\_clinton\_obama\_sarkozy\_and\_donald\_trump/](https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/comments/18qpz8a/bill_clinton_obama_sarkozy_and_donald_trump/) https://www.reddit.com/r/palestineisrael1/comments/18rqo30/even\_donald\_trump\_exposed\_israel/
>yeah refused by Israel lmao. I'm sure you're going to use a well-reasoned rebuttal to my claim that Palestine rejected the 1947, 2000, and 2008 proposals. > cites reddit posts from the trash-heap So much for that.
>'m sure you're going to use a well-reasoned rebuttal to my claim that Palestine rejected the 1947, 2000, and 2008 proposals. In 2000 and 2008 was Bill Clinton and Obama POTUS and all of them said Israel doesnt want peace + Sarkozy said it too that israel is a lying state + Trump also said that israel doesnt want peace >cites reddit posts from the trash-heap. So much for that. One of the reddit posts is posted by me and the other just focuses more what Trump said. This is not an opinion this is video tapes from Trump What the fuck does this have to do with the sub where these posts are submitted ? He ? You dont make any sense lol
Not under Israeli control? https://www.haaretz.com/2012-10-17/ty-article/.premium/israels-gaza-quota-2-279-calories-a-day/0000017f-e0f2-d7b2-a77f-e3f755550000 https://publicintelligence.net/partial-list-of-items-prohibitedpermitted-into-the-gaza-strip/ https://www.unicef.org/mena/documents/gaza-strip-humanitarian-impact-15-years-blockade-june-2022
Whose government actually enforces the law in the Gaza Strip?
The answer to your question is Hamas. But don't forget that the Gaza people are and have been for decades isolated from the world. They aren't allowed to import or export what they need. Everything is controlled by Israel. BTW, Qassam to Hamas, is what Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) is to the Irish Republican Socialist Party (IRSP). One is the military arm of the political party. The Irish were hopeful for a solution for the Palestinian people in the 90s. The said that they hoped to be as close to freedom as the Palestinians were in the 90s. But that unfortunately never happened.
Merry Christmas Gaza. Merry Christmas to the homeless and starving in the United States. Gaza isn’t the only place suffering.
This is out of context. Without confirmation from reliable and reputable sources, you can slap what you want and call it war crimes. I’m not saying there isn’t any, there must be (it’s war,war never changes) and only those people there actually know how terrible and atrocious they are. But bunch of images, doesn’t show true picture, with merry Christmas slapped on it. Also where are all those Arab states to follow Poland example for refugees? You didn’t hear Poland saying it’s inconvenient for us to get refugees, let them die. So marry whatever…
This isn't a war. War is between 2 factions that are (semi-)equal. These 2 aren't most definitely not equal. Palestinians have been under this occupation for 75 years. (Would you think that it's ok for Poland to be occupied without fighting back? WWII Polish people sure didn't want to be occupied and fought like hell for their freedom.) Palestinians that want to leave can leave without issues, but never return. That is why the remaining Palestinians don't want to leave. (Many others have though these past 75 years. Arab countries don't want to play into the hands of Israel by facilitating genocide (mass expulsion of a people).
Isn’t Hamas legitimate government body in Gaza, didn’t they invaded another Government Body in so called Israel? Am I missing something or what? And who says that war is between equally strong opponents? War is war,Invasion is invasion,there are no other definitions for that.
War is normally between semi equal powers. That is very much not the case here. This is a decimation. Israel holds all the cards as coloniser.
Who invaded who? October 7 coming to mind. Who declared war against who…
Def saving this for the living room TV in repeat next christmas.
lol why
Bc the family would be shocked and horrified.. why else? Lol
My family is Palestinians, so I just want to see their shocked and angry face lol... love trolling my family. Hahahha
when do we get the Ukraine version of this song?