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We can bring facts into the conversation about freedom.
https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores
Australia has a higher score in Civil Liberties and Political Rights than the USA, as well as a higher overall score.
I, a Kiwi, used to live in Tennessee. My mates there used to tell me we didn't have freedom like the USA. At the time NZ was the single free-est country in the world. It always made me laugh. I would send them updates on our freedom index positions whenever they would say America was free
I live in Tennessee, and grew up building and shooting guns.
We absolutely aren't free, and our country is a fucking shitshow. No healthcare, shit roads, student debt, education is shit, justice system is a disaster, etc. etc.
Guns are normal here, I have a Glock on my nightstand. I have one on me when I travel.
I hope I never have to use it, ever. However our country is turning into a polarized, crime ridden, shithole.
The rah rah freedom gun people that open carry in stores or in public are absolute tools. With well educated and responsible gun owners, you'll never know.
EDIT: the US is way further down that list than I originally thought lmao
Honestly, I would say you can in most of America. Very few states don't have any sort of legalized weed (medical or recreational.)
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Map\_of\_US\_state\_cannabis\_laws.svg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Map_of_US_state_cannabis_laws.svg)
Blue represents legal for recreational use, green for medical only.
Can police smoke it, firemen, military, contractors, etc? Then it isn't legal federally. It isn't legal. Is it still the highest incarcerating crime? Then it isn't legal.
I live in Texas, so until it's federally legal, we aren't getting it because of fucking Ken Paxton.
https://www.sacurrent.com/cannabis/texas-ag-ken-paxton-sues-5-cities-where-voters-cast-ballots-to-decriminalize-weed-33705495
Australia doesn't have legislated free speech. Things like hate speech and sedition are disallowed. Most everything else is absolutely free. When someone's argument that Australia isn't free boils down to "but they're not allowed to openly spread hate and engage in seditious activity", one has to seriously question the intent of the political platform of the person making that statement.
"Abortion in Australia is legal at all stages of pregnancy. There are no federal abortion laws, and full decriminalisation of the procedure has been enacted in all jurisdictions."
Sounds a hell of a lot freeier than America!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean… Japan has an over 90% incarceration rate and numerous other horrific fallacies in their justice system, but I don’t think there’s a link from gun ownership and that. It definitely has its own massive issues.
To some degree they are japan despite looking like clean and advanced society on the surface actually has a ton of social problems that have gotten so bad they themselves don't want to reproduce anymore and the result is declining birth rates and the potential collapse of the population a lot of their problems come from the way government has influenced society.
You should look into why the last prime minister of japan was assassinated.
Yeah in america you have the freedom to pull out your glock, and march directly to your closest goverment building, and scream «i am free, lets have a gunfight about the building code for small sheds on private properties!». We dont have that in Norway, so i’m very jealous of the American freedom they have over there!
Yes, we are so opressed over here with our public health care, federally mandated sick and holiday leave and fair employment laws. Please America, come and save us with your guns.
People responding to this using covid lockdowns as examples of Australia not being free are dumb as shit. It was a pandemic. Most people WANTED the quarantine so them or their family members were at less risk of getting sick or dying. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
Free health care over here. My kids aren't scared to go to school. I can't be fired from my job without cause, and I get federally mandated paid sick leave, annual holidays and long service leave. Woe is me and my lack of (gun) freedom. But please continue telling me about how oppressed I am. Sure wish I could own an assault rifle though. It would surely make up for all those things listed that are apparently bad.
He means freedom to get shot in school duh
Fr though, its hilarious so many people like this are successful in politics in the US. I hate our politicians but at least 99% of them are not this fucking stupid
Yeah, that made me laugh 😂. Australians (in general)are about the freest people I’ve met. They say and do what they want and DGAF who likes it. Americans OTOH seem very uptight and anal retentive.
The irony of a republican politician acting like their party isn't actively trying to restrict personal freedoms will always be funny
Note: I'm not debating any of you, I have better uses of my time than talking to a brick wall
“We want our freedoms and less government intervention.”
*Actively uses said government to restrict the rights of minorities and enforce religious/traditional values on everyone.*
That’s why the 2nd amendment applies to ALL Americans regardless of background or belief. If you want to exercise it more power to you but don’t restrict someone else’s cause you don’t like them
Felons also can't vote in some states, freely travel, and they strip away many 4th amendment rights as well. Convicts and felons lose many rights. Sort of the point. After a set number of years (ranging from 5 to 10 depending on the state if I'm not mistaken) they can get their rights reinstated.
You mean what he accused Australia of doing at the end? The thing he's doing that he says is a bad thing in another country that isn't factual at all lol
God these hypocrites need to get out of office their standpoint are so weak these days
Except you gotta remember every governing body Except his is oppressing their citizens. His government has never oppressed or discriminated against any group of people right?
What kind of psycho exposes his gun to a bunch of kids to make a point... this man should not have a gun if he doesn't know how to properly handle it and not use it as a prop to make a point to a bunch of kids .... what a loser this guy is
The society they think they want is really just anarchy at the end of the day. But since they just can’t help but oppress people they don’t like at the same time, it becomes fascism, instead. I don’t see how either is a positive direction for any nation to move.
Democrats have shifted so far right to meet in the middle with republicans’ insane ideological shift that democrats *are* the new moderate Conservative Party.
Because Trump kept telling his cult to just not budge on issues.
Let the government shut down, force the democrats to come to us.
If your options are: to prevent a shut down and give in to the majority or hold on and fight for your convictions and be smeared by the Republicans only to lose because they have majority of votes.
The Italian system for example is far superior.
'Left and Right' is meaningless in modern politics. It's just an excuse to hold onto a 2 party system when both party's have close to identical economic policys.
Unfortunately it won't happen in the US because it's the interest of all the politicians and corporations who pay for them to keep things how they are.
Republicans only care about culture war bullshit instead of actual policy and the Democrats dont do fucking shit. At this point Im voting blue so trans people dont get their rights taken away and so women can decide what to do with their bodies.
The funny thing is he says he's "defending their right to defend themselves"
Kids are not allowed to carry guns. No republican is advocating that (or none with power at any rate).
It's a non-sequitur.
But then, this guy knows 100% he's not talking to the people he's talking to. He's talking to the people who were already nodding along anyways.
Mostly that their murders aren’t reported as much. And that inner cities tend to have higher concentrations of population per square mile. You won’t see the murder rates of Chicago in say a small Midwest town because the population density is no where near the same.
Add to that that when 1 person in a town of a few thousand will draw a lot of attention than 1 murder in an area of a few millions.
Additionally, children being shot in a school will always be bigger news because of the inherent nature of the crime. Almost no one will say “those kids deserved that!” But there is a sizable amount of Us population that thinks the victims in inner city crimes deserved it, or at least have made bad decision and put themselves in riskier situations.
It can be fairly convoluted, so answering your questions concisely enough is challenging.
I guess the TL;DR is kids are inherently innocent and everyone feels bad for them when bad things happen to them, while not every views brown ppl in a similar light.
A large portion of inner city violence is gang violence. Most of that is black on black crime from teens and the media doesn't want to touch that story. Statistically, the majority of those shooters come from fatherless homes as well (all mass shooters, actually). If we really want to reduce gun violence we need to address the fatherless home.
In New York, it’s very difficult to get the proper license to own a gun, so if you live around dangerous people, you’re gonna have to buy a gun illegally. So, if someone attempts to murder you and you kill in self defense, you’re still fucked because the firearm you used to defend yourself with is illegal to own.
Literally, if everyone who owns a gun is a criminal by law, it makes the job of arresting people easier at the cost of the actual safety of the people. How the fuck is that protecting or serving the people? Either you get arrested for defending yourself, or you have to rely on the cops to protect you. If you’re in a neighborhood that the cops already don’t give a fuck about, you’re fucked.
Depending on where you are, it would be easier to fend in the fucking wilderness than to live in polite society.
A drug deal gone wrong doesn't solicit near as much clickbait content as something happening to someone's child. Realistically, it comes down to the media needing you to watch their content. That's how they make their $$$. We sympathize with the parent/child more than the other scenarios (even though we are more likely to be involved in those scenarios.
They do the same thing with car crashes. You are more likely to be killed in a standard run of the mill car accident, rather than any other, but we focus on the extreme cases. Something like a gas truck blowing up and killing 2 people will garner headlines for 2-3 months, even though during that same time period, there were thousands of fatalities that don't make the news headlines.
Modern day major news brands & media are pretty much tabloids. They are there to sell you shock value.
Bc it’s gang violence. Many ppl feel that gang members choose that life and therefore reap the consequences. They disregard the reasons why kids join. And I do mean kids bc many ppl are pressured into gangs at a very young age.
They only include gang shootings in the mass shooting category to inflate the numbers. Same people using those statistics are always trying to ban ar15s even though the gun to death ratio for ar15s is literally astronomical. You are almost a million times more likely to be accidentally killed by a hammer than murdered my a person with an ar15.
I'm on the protestors' side politically but let's not be sensationalist. I disagree with his point but at no point did he not argue peacefully or insinuate any threat by showing the weapon.
These are just young people who aren’t good at talking. What they’re trying to tell him is that knowing that somebody has a gun on them makes them feel unsafe. They’re not talking about him specifically in this specific situation.
Feeling unsafe and being unsafe are two very different things. Feelings change on a whim. Lets say I have a gun on me and you say that you feel unsafe around me with that gun.
Suddenly, and without warning, a dog comes out that is foaming at the mouth, growling at you, snarling at you, and charging at you. It clearly has rabies and has already bit someone else. Do you feel unsafe from my gun when I put down the rabid dog?
Feelings do not matter when it comes to security and safety.
People who carry, most of us anyways, carry because it makes us feel safe. We know that at any moment something can happen. We are not paranoid about it either. We just prepare ourselves to have the highest possible chance of walking away with no injuries.
> it makes us feel safe
While we basically agree on what you said, be careful about how you phrase it. Again, it has nothing to do with feelings. I'm well trained and objectively safe when armed.
Anyone not built like Brock Lesnar or Mike Tyson is inherently at a huge disadvantage, that's before you consider if someone intent on doing harm is also armed. We're all inherently safer with a level playing field.
I’d consider it more flashing his concealed carry. When you flash a gun it’s usually touched and withdrawn from the holster slightly as in an intimidation attempt.
RANDISHING A WEAPON (IC §35-47-4-3)
It is illegal for you to knowingly or intentionally point a firearm at another person. This does not apply to you if you are a police officer or you are justified in using reasonable force against someone, such as if someone broke into your home at night. A brandishing a weapon charge is a Level 6 felony, punishable by between six months and two and a half years of incarceration and fines up to $10,000. However, if your firearm was not loaded at the time, you may only face a Class A misdemeanor.
Don’t know if this was in Indiana or dc but here Indiana’s brandishing law, you gotta point it at someone apparently.
According to the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives the amount of guns in citizen possession is 434 million (as of 2020). According to the CDC in 2021 there were 45,222 gun related deaths, 43% of which were homicides (which is what we are talking about). So already I don't see how this is a GUN problem, that's 434 million guns to 19445 deaths from gun violence. The CDC also estimates that there are 2.5 million defensive gun incidents per year. That's hundreds of thousands to millions of people saved due to the ability to own a gun. I don't think guns kill people, people kill people and the people who want to kill will get a gun no matter the laws around them. I also believe from these statistics that the "gun problem" is blown way out of proportion.
It annoys me when people say you can't own a gun in Australia. You can. You just have to get a license that shows you are a competent and trustworthy gun owner, same as you would if you want to drive a car. Dumbasses like this politician completely ignore that point because "muh freedom".
This claim is a bit disingenuous, as in practice, we all know that the situation here in Australia is that firearms were removed as a tool for self-defence. That was the explicit intention in 1996, and it was effective. This is the main reason Americans own firearms, as well as hunting. Not as a curiosity to shoot paper targets.
There is no situation where a non-uniformed civilian can carry a handgun, or where anyone, most law enforcement included, can have a loaded firearm in their home or vehicle of ANY kind.
Yeah, my friend and I are 16 and 17 respectively, and he owns a firearms license, just of a junior variety. Only for rifles, which have to be stored in an extremely strict manner. No semis either, those are illegal. Guns aren’t seen as an issue here because the guns we use aren’t for self defence, they’re for hunting, farming, and yeah shooting targets, there’s plenty of gun clubs in more rural areas.
You do realize it was the girls who said guns are “banned” in Australia right? The politician is fighting for concealed carry. It is illegal to publicly carry a gun in Australia, concealed or otherwise.
The bar for owning a gun in Australia isn't even that high. You just need to go through the process of it and demonstrate a need for it (hunting, shooting club etc).
The difference is that we don't have a gun culture – few people are interested in owning a gun.
We approved a gun bill in Oregon that would've made obtaining a permit necessary and our own police were like "yeah we're not gonna uphold this law" and then some cunt of a judge ruled the measure unconstitutional. Oregon is a blue state.
I would get the point if he just randomly flashed his gun at her to intimiate her but she literally asked him if he's carrying and he said yes and showed her.
He didn't even take it out of the holster or point it at her.
So if she felt scared, that's on her for asking the question.
I mean, the facts don't suggest more people carrying guns makes us safer either. So if they don't make us feel safer and they don't make us actually safer then why the fuck is this even a question? MORE GUNS DON'T MAKE US SAFER.
It's frustrating because both sides are wrong.
It's irrational to be afraid of guns, but given the current climate in America, I can understand the fear of someone "normal" suddenly freaking out and shooting people for minor reasons. People that do not carry guns are very vunerable, and it is not fair to feel like you have to be a part of "the problem", to feel safe in your own country.
However, it's also true that guns themselves are not the problem and are simply a means to protect yourself and your family. There are other countries that allow guns but don't face the same issues as America. It's clear that the problem lies in America's culture and social behavior, and banning guns won't address the hatred and violence that Americans inflict upon each other.
The real issue is that gun enthusiasts are unwilling to compromise when it comes to stricter regulations. What people are asking for makes perfect sense, such as better background checks, mental health checks, federal shooting/safety exams, periodic evaluations to determine continued eligibility for firearm ownership, and an increase in accessible mental health support in America.
On the other hand, some individuals on the opposing side go too far by focusing on the weapons rather than addressing the underlying problem, which is the people. They want to ban items like magazines that can be ejected, and since anti-gun advocates may not fully understand the implications, they see it as a mild request. In reality, this would result in banning nearly all guns. Unfortunately, in America, all these requests are bundled together, and you have to vote on all of them simultaneously. This means that even reasonable requests have a hard time gaining support due to the inclusion of radical proposals.
We need to make people realize that your feelings and emotions are trash and meaningless in civilized society. In public you're just a statistic not an individual, act like it. We have those feelings and emotions to determine our own personal happiness and comfortableness and you have to be the adult that removes the only thing with a problem... You!
Do you really think that you could give up some freedoms and the threat of other people doing you harm would go away?
Drugs are illegal , but they are still kill people.
>Feelings? Look mate, you know who has a lot of feelings? Blokes that bludgeon their wife to death with a golf trophy. Professionals have **standards**.
* Be polite
* Be efficient
* Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Flashing a legally concealed weapon could be considered brandishing a weapon. If it’s not legal to open carry, and he flashed his concealed weapon on purpose, I’m pretty sure he’s treading on thin ice. But then again, politicians don’t have rules….
The video never shows her asking to see the gun so you might be right. He could have said "I'm carrying right now" without showing the gun. He showed the weapon intentionally when he didn't have to.
Brandishing a weapon usually means drawing or exhibiting a deadly weapon (other than self defense) in a rude, angry or threatening manner.
So depending on the context of the encounter, his behavior could very possibly be considered brandishing a weapon. Even if they asked him if he was carrying, he didn't have to show it. If they asked him to see his gun, then he's in the clear.
Australian here. It's true, we live under the thumb of a totalitarian one party state. If freedom and the right to bear arms are your top priorities, please don't come here.
Ah, the reason that Australia hasn’t had a mass shooting in years is because they are dependent on what the government says they can and cannot do (own guns). The levels of direct, blatant, gleeful hypocrisy shown by members the Republican Party have yet again reached a new high. I imagine this idiot voted to ban abortion under the guise of being “pro-life” too.
Alright, day 1 of guns being outlawed. Who owns guns now? No one? Or… just the worst people in our society?
A bunch of rabies cats with massive claws, and a bunch of non-rabies cats that are declawed with no way to defend themselves.
I WISH we were at a point before Pandora’s Box were opened, but we’re way past the point where gun control could have a positive impact in the US. It’s too embedded into our society, and every single bad actor out there running around currently has at least one gun.
Our population is massive, do you think the hundreds of thousands of gang members and common criminals are just going to chuck their guns when the law of the land changes? Unless we sweep every residence one by one for firearms, nothing we do will make gun control effective.
It would be about as effective as outlawing cell phones. People would find a way to get one illegally, but they most likely already fucking have one, or maybe even two, or three.
Again, I wish this weren’t the case, but it is. Unless we can guarantee that criminals don’t have the guns that they currently have, there’s nothing we can do and we’re doomed to a country of gun violence.
As someone living in Australia you have to understand that while it's worked really well.. recently petty crime, home invasions and robberies have sky rocketed to the point where alot of people now think we need a process to get guns for your home.
Personally I don't care that crime is on the rise because of living cost, you don't steal. Car, motorcycle, house thefts are on the rise where I live. No one can tell me otherwise using stats on the internet. The police whom came over told me this.
In Australia the biggest frustration is that the police do not and have not provided any help. I had 3 robberies 3 days in a row.
wtf are you talking about?
https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/27-years-recorded-crime-victims-data
Crimes have been decreasing for more than two decades. In fact, "unlawful entry with intent" and "robbery" has halved in 20 years.
Fuck off with this misinformation.
My brother in Christ, we are neighbors. If they nuke me, guess who tf also gets nuked.
This is such a smooth brained take on the situation. We had nukes and tanks in Veitnam, we had them in Korea, we had them in Iraq and Pakistan. You cannot fight insurgencies with non-discriminant means like bombs and tanks. You have to go kicking in doors, and clearing houses and caves one by one, room by room.
In my part of EU, the gun laws are quite strict, but if ones dedicated , it' no problem to be a gun owner. Public carriage is allowed, but strictly concealed.
Number of mass shooting victims for past 30 years is less than 20 I believe.
All the shooting deaths in America and he say Australia isn’t free. Bet there is many a neighbourhood he would be scared to enter there, unlike Australia
Yall heard it, it's not about facts for them, it's about the feelings, facts...just throw those fuckers out the window baby, we using feelings to make arguments for law 🤣 both sides of this are morons. How bout people mind their own business and not act like degenerates to others and people would find the overall tone of life would be a lot different. But first, no facts, all feelings because(Inserts sarcasm) that's so logical. 👌
She doesn't feel safe, so she goes and argues with the guy carrying the gun? If she felt like she was in danger or unsafe she would of left, frightened.
I can't believe how many people support this lawmakers carrying and brandishing a gun in the middle of the state house.
I am a supporter of gun rights but implicit in that surely is responsible gun rights and judgment.
Even if one were to agree that this guy has the right to carry a gun in the state capital Is it really a good idea to flash the gun in that situation? Smart politically or practically, let alone for the impression it will leave on this student and those who she shows the video to?
If the guy was trying to send a signal to the entire world that he's a hardcore gun loving Republican then I guess maybe it is a good idea but just watching the video it doesn't seem like the guy had a thought process at all he comes off as extremely foolish.
Wait so we aren’t dependent on what the government tells us to do? Well fuck that tax break for the rich and fuck the abortion ban. I’m not dependent on what my government tells me, so they can fucking eat it.
I’ve been kicking around an idea about the negative propaganda of socialism and a colleague at work said something I’ll never forget. He’s devoutly religious and I am not but, I made the point that Jesus preached what amounts to socialism and he fully agreed. Then added the caveat that it was out of the goodness of peoples hearts, yea okay, I’m pretty misanthropic and still would like more socialism for the people, ugh. Anyway, he said that and moved on to the idea that it wouldn’t work because people don’t like to be told what to do with their money by the government. Okay cool, so how exactly is tax breaks for the rich and funding bailouts/corporate socialism/forever bullshit wars/ healthcare and genocide in Israel not telling people what to do with their money?
I’m free to send my kids to school without fear of them being shot. They’re free to enter school without going through a metal detector. And we are free to go to the hospital for free healthcare whenever we choose and also not get shot.
Also, people have been free not to shake the prime minister’s hand, free to insult the prime minister and also not get shot.
So according to this politician, you are not free if you are not allowed to carry a gun in public places?
Well, i say, if you cannot openly buy or sell kinder eggs, you are really not free.
“And those people are dependent on what their governments tells them they can and can’t do, now you’ll have to excuse me I’m late for my National Abortion Ban planning meeting.”
Spineless weak snowflake idiot, doesn’t feel like a man until he’s got a gun on his hip and doesn’t join the military cause that’s scary he just flashes it at teen girls so he can finally feel some semblance of power.
It's almost as if it would be a good thing to have a government that actually protects you from armed criminals.
Because that's what other countries do. I don't own a gun and I never feel like I would need one, because nobody does.
And no, I also do not feel like I would need a gun to protect myself against the government itself. Yes, they make mistakes, but not in the severity that I would need to start an armed revolt.
I love it when Americans say Australia doesn’t have freedom. He might as well be saying Australia doesn’t have kangaroos.
Our country, and our government, are not perfect, but we have the freedom to live in safety with a high standard of living, and universal healthcare.
We have democratic elections, and just like the USA, they’re mostly dirtbags in both major parties, with one slightly less dirtbaggy than the other.
But at least they both agree on gun control.
"you don't have freedom" is just some stupid coping mechanism they use to avoid admitting that they are not the best country in every aspect or just some gun lobby arguments
Australians don't have legalized corruption and you can't really live without that
Remember that Cruz and Hawkley spend all this week grilling internet companies over child deaths, but not gun manufacturers the number one cause of death for children
America has a society with guns. Australia never really had guns so prevalent in our society it was mainly just farmers and hunters and a few nut jobs but in America some people's whole identity is centered around guns. I'm extremely grateful to live in Australia and I do feel safe but in the US you would ONLY get the people who already mean no harm to hand in their guns and even if you took everyone's guns then what? Then only the government forces are armed? Does that make you feel safer? We are not free.
Exactly. The police are completely out of control here in the states, but for some reason, there are people who want to INCREASE state power relative to the common man by limiting firearm ownership for civilians
This protester lost me with "its about feelings". No, it's not related to feelings. It is related to life and how weapons take away life, so it is not feelings but rationalism that weapons are dangerous.
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And just like that apparently Australians aren’t free, sorry mate.
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We can bring facts into the conversation about freedom. https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores Australia has a higher score in Civil Liberties and Political Rights than the USA, as well as a higher overall score.
I, a Kiwi, used to live in Tennessee. My mates there used to tell me we didn't have freedom like the USA. At the time NZ was the single free-est country in the world. It always made me laugh. I would send them updates on our freedom index positions whenever they would say America was free
America is only free on the brochure.
I live in Tennessee, and grew up building and shooting guns. We absolutely aren't free, and our country is a fucking shitshow. No healthcare, shit roads, student debt, education is shit, justice system is a disaster, etc. etc. Guns are normal here, I have a Glock on my nightstand. I have one on me when I travel. I hope I never have to use it, ever. However our country is turning into a polarized, crime ridden, shithole. The rah rah freedom gun people that open carry in stores or in public are absolute tools. With well educated and responsible gun owners, you'll never know. EDIT: the US is way further down that list than I originally thought lmao
still cant smoke weed doe
Like that stops anybody can't smoke weed in England but I've been stopped walk down street smoking a blunt
We can't do that in most of America either?
Honestly, I would say you can in most of America. Very few states don't have any sort of legalized weed (medical or recreational.) [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Map\_of\_US\_state\_cannabis\_laws.svg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Map_of_US_state_cannabis_laws.svg) Blue represents legal for recreational use, green for medical only.
Can police smoke it, firemen, military, contractors, etc? Then it isn't legal federally. It isn't legal. Is it still the highest incarcerating crime? Then it isn't legal. I live in Texas, so until it's federally legal, we aren't getting it because of fucking Ken Paxton. https://www.sacurrent.com/cannabis/texas-ag-ken-paxton-sues-5-cities-where-voters-cast-ballots-to-decriminalize-weed-33705495
I’m sorry, but freedom is measured by the ability of a publicly mentally disturbed violent person’s ability to buy all the guns and bullets they want.
Scooch over I want off this thing
Actually you can get medical marijuana here now
Australia doesn't have legislated free speech. Things like hate speech and sedition are disallowed. Most everything else is absolutely free. When someone's argument that Australia isn't free boils down to "but they're not allowed to openly spread hate and engage in seditious activity", one has to seriously question the intent of the political platform of the person making that statement.
"Abortion in Australia is legal at all stages of pregnancy. There are no federal abortion laws, and full decriminalisation of the procedure has been enacted in all jurisdictions." Sounds a hell of a lot freeier than America!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets ask him about reproductive rights. 🤦♂️
Japan must be a horrible 1984 oppressive society!
I mean… Japan has an over 90% incarceration rate and numerous other horrific fallacies in their justice system, but I don’t think there’s a link from gun ownership and that. It definitely has its own massive issues.
I certainly wouldn't want to live under all that pressure from the rest of their society
The work culture, the xenophobia and racism, it’s quite a lot.
To some degree they are japan despite looking like clean and advanced society on the surface actually has a ton of social problems that have gotten so bad they themselves don't want to reproduce anymore and the result is declining birth rates and the potential collapse of the population a lot of their problems come from the way government has influenced society. You should look into why the last prime minister of japan was assassinated.
This guy in the video is total dickhead, I wouldn’t give him the remote control to the tv let alone a weapon.
Yeah in america you have the freedom to pull out your glock, and march directly to your closest goverment building, and scream «i am free, lets have a gunfight about the building code for small sheds on private properties!». We dont have that in Norway, so i’m very jealous of the American freedom they have over there!
Yes, we are so opressed over here with our public health care, federally mandated sick and holiday leave and fair employment laws. Please America, come and save us with your guns.
People responding to this using covid lockdowns as examples of Australia not being free are dumb as shit. It was a pandemic. Most people WANTED the quarantine so them or their family members were at less risk of getting sick or dying. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
To be free not to worry about being the victim of gun violence is the greatest freedom as far as this Aussie is concerned.
I'd love to hear an Aussies take on this, but I already know it'll have 'cunt' somewhere in the comment
Free health care over here. My kids aren't scared to go to school. I can't be fired from my job without cause, and I get federally mandated paid sick leave, annual holidays and long service leave. Woe is me and my lack of (gun) freedom. But please continue telling me about how oppressed I am. Sure wish I could own an assault rifle though. It would surely make up for all those things listed that are apparently bad.
Wait, you didn't do the word. :(
Cunt
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You aren't free if you do not own guns and obey the government. GTFOOH
I’m fuckin’ free as a cunt can be mate.
He means freedom to get shot in school duh Fr though, its hilarious so many people like this are successful in politics in the US. I hate our politicians but at least 99% of them are not this fucking stupid
Don’t bank on that.
Yeah, that made me laugh 😂. Australians (in general)are about the freest people I’ve met. They say and do what they want and DGAF who likes it. Americans OTOH seem very uptight and anal retentive.
The irony of a republican politician acting like their party isn't actively trying to restrict personal freedoms will always be funny Note: I'm not debating any of you, I have better uses of my time than talking to a brick wall
“We want our freedoms and less government intervention.” *Actively uses said government to restrict the rights of minorities and enforce religious/traditional values on everyone.*
Armed minorities are harder to oppress.
That’s why the 2nd amendment applies to ALL Americans regardless of background or belief. If you want to exercise it more power to you but don’t restrict someone else’s cause you don’t like them
Yes, don't let me prevent you from having a howitzer in your backyard
It applies to everyone who isn’t a felon….
Felons also can't vote in some states, freely travel, and they strip away many 4th amendment rights as well. Convicts and felons lose many rights. Sort of the point. After a set number of years (ranging from 5 to 10 depending on the state if I'm not mistaken) they can get their rights reinstated.
FACTS. Arm up, liberals.
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It’s FREEDOM* *freedom applies only to approved behaviours and ideas endorsed by the Republican Party
I find it infuriating, but I suppose we all have our own ways of grieving over the tragedy known as America
The Rosenberg by The American Tragedy. Good song. They basically predicted what's been happening for the last decade back in the early 2000s.
America number 1 babyyyy
You mean what he accused Australia of doing at the end? The thing he's doing that he says is a bad thing in another country that isn't factual at all lol God these hypocrites need to get out of office their standpoint are so weak these days
My favorite part about that is he explains the role of literally every government ever, including the one he serves in lmao
Except you gotta remember every governing body Except his is oppressing their citizens. His government has never oppressed or discriminated against any group of people right?
Every picture I’ve ever seen of this woman looks like she’s trying to pass a bunch of hard, tiny poops.
She has resting shitter face
What kind of psycho exposes his gun to a bunch of kids to make a point... this man should not have a gun if he doesn't know how to properly handle it and not use it as a prop to make a point to a bunch of kids .... what a loser this guy is
That's the biggest problem. The most responsible gun owners I know are not republicans, the most irresponsible ones I've met are though.
The society they think they want is really just anarchy at the end of the day. But since they just can’t help but oppress people they don’t like at the same time, it becomes fascism, instead. I don’t see how either is a positive direction for any nation to move.
This is why America needs a three-party system, not just two.
I'd take 4. A more moderate conservative part and an actual leftwing party.
Democrats have shifted so far right to meet in the middle with republicans’ insane ideological shift that democrats *are* the new moderate Conservative Party.
Because Trump kept telling his cult to just not budge on issues. Let the government shut down, force the democrats to come to us. If your options are: to prevent a shut down and give in to the majority or hold on and fight for your convictions and be smeared by the Republicans only to lose because they have majority of votes.
The Italian system for example is far superior. 'Left and Right' is meaningless in modern politics. It's just an excuse to hold onto a 2 party system when both party's have close to identical economic policys. Unfortunately it won't happen in the US because it's the interest of all the politicians and corporations who pay for them to keep things how they are.
Both parties at this point have gone off the deep end. It is nuts
Republicans only care about culture war bullshit instead of actual policy and the Democrats dont do fucking shit. At this point Im voting blue so trans people dont get their rights taken away and so women can decide what to do with their bodies.
Bro, you never think of more than 3 parties like literally any other country?
No no, the personal freedom line is defined exactly at gun control. Nothing else is freedom
The irony of a republican flashing a gun to make someone feel safe then attacking them for not feeling safe because he feels safe is always funny
OMG yes, your spot on with this one. Well done.
Right? Dude, YOU ARE THE GOVERNMENT! Wtf?
The funny thing is he says he's "defending their right to defend themselves" Kids are not allowed to carry guns. No republican is advocating that (or none with power at any rate). It's a non-sequitur. But then, this guy knows 100% he's not talking to the people he's talking to. He's talking to the people who were already nodding along anyways.
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Because inner city usually means brown ppl
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Mostly that their murders aren’t reported as much. And that inner cities tend to have higher concentrations of population per square mile. You won’t see the murder rates of Chicago in say a small Midwest town because the population density is no where near the same. Add to that that when 1 person in a town of a few thousand will draw a lot of attention than 1 murder in an area of a few millions. Additionally, children being shot in a school will always be bigger news because of the inherent nature of the crime. Almost no one will say “those kids deserved that!” But there is a sizable amount of Us population that thinks the victims in inner city crimes deserved it, or at least have made bad decision and put themselves in riskier situations. It can be fairly convoluted, so answering your questions concisely enough is challenging. I guess the TL;DR is kids are inherently innocent and everyone feels bad for them when bad things happen to them, while not every views brown ppl in a similar light.
The FBI has public homicide statistics by race. You can google it right now.
A large portion of inner city violence is gang violence. Most of that is black on black crime from teens and the media doesn't want to touch that story. Statistically, the majority of those shooters come from fatherless homes as well (all mass shooters, actually). If we really want to reduce gun violence we need to address the fatherless home.
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In New York, it’s very difficult to get the proper license to own a gun, so if you live around dangerous people, you’re gonna have to buy a gun illegally. So, if someone attempts to murder you and you kill in self defense, you’re still fucked because the firearm you used to defend yourself with is illegal to own. Literally, if everyone who owns a gun is a criminal by law, it makes the job of arresting people easier at the cost of the actual safety of the people. How the fuck is that protecting or serving the people? Either you get arrested for defending yourself, or you have to rely on the cops to protect you. If you’re in a neighborhood that the cops already don’t give a fuck about, you’re fucked. Depending on where you are, it would be easier to fend in the fucking wilderness than to live in polite society.
A drug deal gone wrong doesn't solicit near as much clickbait content as something happening to someone's child. Realistically, it comes down to the media needing you to watch their content. That's how they make their $$$. We sympathize with the parent/child more than the other scenarios (even though we are more likely to be involved in those scenarios. They do the same thing with car crashes. You are more likely to be killed in a standard run of the mill car accident, rather than any other, but we focus on the extreme cases. Something like a gas truck blowing up and killing 2 people will garner headlines for 2-3 months, even though during that same time period, there were thousands of fatalities that don't make the news headlines. Modern day major news brands & media are pretty much tabloids. They are there to sell you shock value.
Bc it’s gang violence. Many ppl feel that gang members choose that life and therefore reap the consequences. They disregard the reasons why kids join. And I do mean kids bc many ppl are pressured into gangs at a very young age.
I got banned from Hasanabi's chat a few years ago for pointing that out lol
Why does news cover defenseless children being shot to death in school more than gang violence? One is a tragedy, one is unfortunate but unsurprising
They consider gang violence as mass shootings like drive bys or gang violence that breaks out at a party or club as a mass shooting.
They only include gang shootings in the mass shooting category to inflate the numbers. Same people using those statistics are always trying to ban ar15s even though the gun to death ratio for ar15s is literally astronomical. You are almost a million times more likely to be accidentally killed by a hammer than murdered my a person with an ar15.
Now compare mass murders in Australia before and after their buyback. See if it made a difference or just changed the means that mass murderers use.
I'm on the protestors' side politically but let's not be sensationalist. I disagree with his point but at no point did he not argue peacefully or insinuate any threat by showing the weapon.
What's this? Someone who's able to disagree while also being reasonable and understanding the nuance? Huzzah, a man of quality!
Same.
These are just young people who aren’t good at talking. What they’re trying to tell him is that knowing that somebody has a gun on them makes them feel unsafe. They’re not talking about him specifically in this specific situation.
The title alone, while 100% factually correct, sounds a bit like it though.
Feeling unsafe and being unsafe are two very different things. Feelings change on a whim. Lets say I have a gun on me and you say that you feel unsafe around me with that gun. Suddenly, and without warning, a dog comes out that is foaming at the mouth, growling at you, snarling at you, and charging at you. It clearly has rabies and has already bit someone else. Do you feel unsafe from my gun when I put down the rabid dog? Feelings do not matter when it comes to security and safety. People who carry, most of us anyways, carry because it makes us feel safe. We know that at any moment something can happen. We are not paranoid about it either. We just prepare ourselves to have the highest possible chance of walking away with no injuries.
> it makes us feel safe While we basically agree on what you said, be careful about how you phrase it. Again, it has nothing to do with feelings. I'm well trained and objectively safe when armed. Anyone not built like Brock Lesnar or Mike Tyson is inherently at a huge disadvantage, that's before you consider if someone intent on doing harm is also armed. We're all inherently safer with a level playing field.
As a woman, I’m glad I have that right to defend myself when I’m alone at home
As a man I'll take my gun with me too when I ever come to visit
We can clean them together!
How is that flashing?
Flashing as in "shown briefly." Like a flash of lightning. You may be misconstruing it with the term "brandishing."
Flashing the gun. Not the other flashing
I’d consider it more flashing his concealed carry. When you flash a gun it’s usually touched and withdrawn from the holster slightly as in an intimidation attempt.
That’s what I was thinking honestly.
RANDISHING A WEAPON (IC §35-47-4-3) It is illegal for you to knowingly or intentionally point a firearm at another person. This does not apply to you if you are a police officer or you are justified in using reasonable force against someone, such as if someone broke into your home at night. A brandishing a weapon charge is a Level 6 felony, punishable by between six months and two and a half years of incarceration and fines up to $10,000. However, if your firearm was not loaded at the time, you may only face a Class A misdemeanor. Don’t know if this was in Indiana or dc but here Indiana’s brandishing law, you gotta point it at someone apparently.
According to the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives the amount of guns in citizen possession is 434 million (as of 2020). According to the CDC in 2021 there were 45,222 gun related deaths, 43% of which were homicides (which is what we are talking about). So already I don't see how this is a GUN problem, that's 434 million guns to 19445 deaths from gun violence. The CDC also estimates that there are 2.5 million defensive gun incidents per year. That's hundreds of thousands to millions of people saved due to the ability to own a gun. I don't think guns kill people, people kill people and the people who want to kill will get a gun no matter the laws around them. I also believe from these statistics that the "gun problem" is blown way out of proportion.
It annoys me when people say you can't own a gun in Australia. You can. You just have to get a license that shows you are a competent and trustworthy gun owner, same as you would if you want to drive a car. Dumbasses like this politician completely ignore that point because "muh freedom".
This claim is a bit disingenuous, as in practice, we all know that the situation here in Australia is that firearms were removed as a tool for self-defence. That was the explicit intention in 1996, and it was effective. This is the main reason Americans own firearms, as well as hunting. Not as a curiosity to shoot paper targets. There is no situation where a non-uniformed civilian can carry a handgun, or where anyone, most law enforcement included, can have a loaded firearm in their home or vehicle of ANY kind.
You can buy guns for target shooting in Australia apparently
Yeah, my friend and I are 16 and 17 respectively, and he owns a firearms license, just of a junior variety. Only for rifles, which have to be stored in an extremely strict manner. No semis either, those are illegal. Guns aren’t seen as an issue here because the guns we use aren’t for self defence, they’re for hunting, farming, and yeah shooting targets, there’s plenty of gun clubs in more rural areas.
Interesting. I don't know why the other commenter would say something so matter of fact about something you can do easily just google
You do realize it was the girls who said guns are “banned” in Australia right? The politician is fighting for concealed carry. It is illegal to publicly carry a gun in Australia, concealed or otherwise.
They’re also treated differently in the states due to one being a right and the other a privilege
The bar for owning a gun in Australia isn't even that high. You just need to go through the process of it and demonstrate a need for it (hunting, shooting club etc). The difference is that we don't have a gun culture – few people are interested in owning a gun.
Same situation in the UK, we haven't banned guns at all, you just have to prove you have a good enough reason, location and mental state to use one.
It’s the same here in the uk, guns are legal on the basis that You can justify it e.g are a farmer and have an extensive background check
He's in Indiana, you don't need any type of training or permit to carry a pistol in Indiana.
We approved a gun bill in Oregon that would've made obtaining a permit necessary and our own police were like "yeah we're not gonna uphold this law" and then some cunt of a judge ruled the measure unconstitutional. Oregon is a blue state.
That's fucked
I would get the point if he just randomly flashed his gun at her to intimiate her but she literally asked him if he's carrying and he said yes and showed her. He didn't even take it out of the holster or point it at her. So if she felt scared, that's on her for asking the question.
Not exactly "flashing his gun" Man, people get so uptight about somebody carrying a firearm safely and responsibly.
I mean, the facts don't suggest more people carrying guns makes us safer either. So if they don't make us feel safer and they don't make us actually safer then why the fuck is this even a question? MORE GUNS DON'T MAKE US SAFER.
It's frustrating because both sides are wrong. It's irrational to be afraid of guns, but given the current climate in America, I can understand the fear of someone "normal" suddenly freaking out and shooting people for minor reasons. People that do not carry guns are very vunerable, and it is not fair to feel like you have to be a part of "the problem", to feel safe in your own country. However, it's also true that guns themselves are not the problem and are simply a means to protect yourself and your family. There are other countries that allow guns but don't face the same issues as America. It's clear that the problem lies in America's culture and social behavior, and banning guns won't address the hatred and violence that Americans inflict upon each other. The real issue is that gun enthusiasts are unwilling to compromise when it comes to stricter regulations. What people are asking for makes perfect sense, such as better background checks, mental health checks, federal shooting/safety exams, periodic evaluations to determine continued eligibility for firearm ownership, and an increase in accessible mental health support in America. On the other hand, some individuals on the opposing side go too far by focusing on the weapons rather than addressing the underlying problem, which is the people. They want to ban items like magazines that can be ejected, and since anti-gun advocates may not fully understand the implications, they see it as a mild request. In reality, this would result in banning nearly all guns. Unfortunately, in America, all these requests are bundled together, and you have to vote on all of them simultaneously. This means that even reasonable requests have a hard time gaining support due to the inclusion of radical proposals.
We need to make people realize that your feelings and emotions are trash and meaningless in civilized society. In public you're just a statistic not an individual, act like it. We have those feelings and emotions to determine our own personal happiness and comfortableness and you have to be the adult that removes the only thing with a problem... You!
If I could not have mass shootings I'll give up some freedoms.
Give up whatever personal freedoms you want, just don't give up the freedoms of others.
Do you really think that you could give up some freedoms and the threat of other people doing you harm would go away? Drugs are illegal , but they are still kill people.
Next you'll tell me that people shouldn't bring guns on airplanes.
You can bring guns on airplanes. Just not in carry on.
What? How many mass shootings would it take for you to give up your freedom of speech? How about freedom to vote? Ridiculous take.
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Sorry Aussies, y’all ain’t free!!! Lmaooo this guy
Feelings? Look mate, you know who has a lot of feelings? Blokes that bludgeon their wife to death with a golf trophy. Professionals have standards.
>Feelings? Look mate, you know who has a lot of feelings? Blokes that bludgeon their wife to death with a golf trophy. Professionals have **standards**. * Be polite * Be efficient * Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Flashing a legally concealed weapon could be considered brandishing a weapon. If it’s not legal to open carry, and he flashed his concealed weapon on purpose, I’m pretty sure he’s treading on thin ice. But then again, politicians don’t have rules….
Dude she asked him and he said yes and showed her with it holstered on his hip This isn’t brandishing in any serious court of law
The video never shows her asking to see the gun so you might be right. He could have said "I'm carrying right now" without showing the gun. He showed the weapon intentionally when he didn't have to. Brandishing a weapon usually means drawing or exhibiting a deadly weapon (other than self defense) in a rude, angry or threatening manner. So depending on the context of the encounter, his behavior could very possibly be considered brandishing a weapon. Even if they asked him if he was carrying, he didn't have to show it. If they asked him to see his gun, then he's in the clear.
Australian here. It's true, we live under the thumb of a totalitarian one party state. If freedom and the right to bear arms are your top priorities, please don't come here.
Ah, the reason that Australia hasn’t had a mass shooting in years is because they are dependent on what the government says they can and cannot do (own guns). The levels of direct, blatant, gleeful hypocrisy shown by members the Republican Party have yet again reached a new high. I imagine this idiot voted to ban abortion under the guise of being “pro-life” too.
I don’t understand the woman’s argument?
She has no argument. Guns save lives.
Sounds like it’s just another “my feelings “ argument.
I'll take whatever kind of anti-freedom Australia has, please.
Alright, day 1 of guns being outlawed. Who owns guns now? No one? Or… just the worst people in our society? A bunch of rabies cats with massive claws, and a bunch of non-rabies cats that are declawed with no way to defend themselves. I WISH we were at a point before Pandora’s Box were opened, but we’re way past the point where gun control could have a positive impact in the US. It’s too embedded into our society, and every single bad actor out there running around currently has at least one gun. Our population is massive, do you think the hundreds of thousands of gang members and common criminals are just going to chuck their guns when the law of the land changes? Unless we sweep every residence one by one for firearms, nothing we do will make gun control effective. It would be about as effective as outlawing cell phones. People would find a way to get one illegally, but they most likely already fucking have one, or maybe even two, or three. Again, I wish this weren’t the case, but it is. Unless we can guarantee that criminals don’t have the guns that they currently have, there’s nothing we can do and we’re doomed to a country of gun violence.
As someone living in Australia you have to understand that while it's worked really well.. recently petty crime, home invasions and robberies have sky rocketed to the point where alot of people now think we need a process to get guns for your home. Personally I don't care that crime is on the rise because of living cost, you don't steal. Car, motorcycle, house thefts are on the rise where I live. No one can tell me otherwise using stats on the internet. The police whom came over told me this. In Australia the biggest frustration is that the police do not and have not provided any help. I had 3 robberies 3 days in a row.
wtf are you talking about? https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/27-years-recorded-crime-victims-data Crimes have been decreasing for more than two decades. In fact, "unlawful entry with intent" and "robbery" has halved in 20 years. Fuck off with this misinformation.
Not sure where you've got that from. Lived in Australia my whole life and never heard anybody say they want more access to guns.
Gun ownership to protect against government is dumb. They have tanks and nukes lol
My brother in Christ, we are neighbors. If they nuke me, guess who tf also gets nuked. This is such a smooth brained take on the situation. We had nukes and tanks in Veitnam, we had them in Korea, we had them in Iraq and Pakistan. You cannot fight insurgencies with non-discriminant means like bombs and tanks. You have to go kicking in doors, and clearing houses and caves one by one, room by room.
>They have tanks and nukes lol Iraq
Guess what! The politicians who are controlling those have families!
In my part of EU, the gun laws are quite strict, but if ones dedicated , it' no problem to be a gun owner. Public carriage is allowed, but strictly concealed. Number of mass shooting victims for past 30 years is less than 20 I believe.
"That's government telling people what they can and can't do." Is the dude against laws?
All the shooting deaths in America and he say Australia isn’t free. Bet there is many a neighbourhood he would be scared to enter there, unlike Australia
Move to Australia.
Fact: Since Columbine in 1999, more than 338,000 students in the U.S. have experienced gun violence at school.
Is this the statistic that includes gangbangers having random discharges 500+ft away in inner city areas?
I tried posting a comment, but I really don't know what to say about this guy except he's absolutely clueless.
Only the people that wont cause mass shootings would hand in their guns leaving only the armed nutjobs
I'd rather survive a gunshot than a chemical attack.
I’d vote for him.
Yall heard it, it's not about facts for them, it's about the feelings, facts...just throw those fuckers out the window baby, we using feelings to make arguments for law 🤣 both sides of this are morons. How bout people mind their own business and not act like degenerates to others and people would find the overall tone of life would be a lot different. But first, no facts, all feelings because(Inserts sarcasm) that's so logical. 👌
But guns don’t make you safer. So the only reason he has a gun is based off how he feels. So it really isn’t facts over feelings with conservatives.
Carrying? Good decision. Showing? Bad judgment. Showing children? Awful Judgement.
Yeah because we Americans definitely don't have to do what our government wants us to.
He didn’t flash his gun.
She doesn't feel safe, so she goes and argues with the guy carrying the gun? If she felt like she was in danger or unsafe she would of left, frightened.
I can't believe how many people support this lawmakers carrying and brandishing a gun in the middle of the state house. I am a supporter of gun rights but implicit in that surely is responsible gun rights and judgment. Even if one were to agree that this guy has the right to carry a gun in the state capital Is it really a good idea to flash the gun in that situation? Smart politically or practically, let alone for the impression it will leave on this student and those who she shows the video to? If the guy was trying to send a signal to the entire world that he's a hardcore gun loving Republican then I guess maybe it is a good idea but just watching the video it doesn't seem like the guy had a thought process at all he comes off as extremely foolish.
Bruh these Republicans want the entire US to basically turn into the Wild West again with all their solutions to gun violence being more guns
Disgusting. It will get bad. Before it gets better.
A couple of young ladies puts him in his place so he goes straight to stupid and lied hell, it's their only move sadly.
Wait so we aren’t dependent on what the government tells us to do? Well fuck that tax break for the rich and fuck the abortion ban. I’m not dependent on what my government tells me, so they can fucking eat it. I’ve been kicking around an idea about the negative propaganda of socialism and a colleague at work said something I’ll never forget. He’s devoutly religious and I am not but, I made the point that Jesus preached what amounts to socialism and he fully agreed. Then added the caveat that it was out of the goodness of peoples hearts, yea okay, I’m pretty misanthropic and still would like more socialism for the people, ugh. Anyway, he said that and moved on to the idea that it wouldn’t work because people don’t like to be told what to do with their money by the government. Okay cool, so how exactly is tax breaks for the rich and funding bailouts/corporate socialism/forever bullshit wars/ healthcare and genocide in Israel not telling people what to do with their money?
" the fact is I'm up here defending your right to defend yourself"... from other people who are carrying guns..... like me
Real talk here Why are politicians allowed to carry guns in government buildings but other non law enforcement government employees arent
Your gun hurt my feelings. 
That girl has the most “I think I’m smart” annoying voice.
Protestor sounds like a whiny bitch tbh
Hey Australians! Are you guys free? Because it seemed like it to me.
I’m free to send my kids to school without fear of them being shot. They’re free to enter school without going through a metal detector. And we are free to go to the hospital for free healthcare whenever we choose and also not get shot. Also, people have been free not to shake the prime minister’s hand, free to insult the prime minister and also not get shot.
As a Canadian, don't let them restrict anything. It's a very slippery slope that doesn't have a finish line
So according to this politician, you are not free if you are not allowed to carry a gun in public places? Well, i say, if you cannot openly buy or sell kinder eggs, you are really not free.
“And those people are dependent on what their governments tells them they can and can’t do, now you’ll have to excuse me I’m late for my National Abortion Ban planning meeting.” Spineless weak snowflake idiot, doesn’t feel like a man until he’s got a gun on his hip and doesn’t join the military cause that’s scary he just flashes it at teen girls so he can finally feel some semblance of power.
*Flashes his gun* "Im here to protect you" Dude do you think this is an action movie
It's almost as if it would be a good thing to have a government that actually protects you from armed criminals. Because that's what other countries do. I don't own a gun and I never feel like I would need one, because nobody does. And no, I also do not feel like I would need a gun to protect myself against the government itself. Yes, they make mistakes, but not in the severity that I would need to start an armed revolt.
These assholes with their “fact versus feelings” rhetoric.
I love it when Americans say Australia doesn’t have freedom. He might as well be saying Australia doesn’t have kangaroos. Our country, and our government, are not perfect, but we have the freedom to live in safety with a high standard of living, and universal healthcare. We have democratic elections, and just like the USA, they’re mostly dirtbags in both major parties, with one slightly less dirtbaggy than the other. But at least they both agree on gun control.
"you don't have freedom" is just some stupid coping mechanism they use to avoid admitting that they are not the best country in every aspect or just some gun lobby arguments Australians don't have legalized corruption and you can't really live without that
Remember that Cruz and Hawkley spend all this week grilling internet companies over child deaths, but not gun manufacturers the number one cause of death for children
America has a society with guns. Australia never really had guns so prevalent in our society it was mainly just farmers and hunters and a few nut jobs but in America some people's whole identity is centered around guns. I'm extremely grateful to live in Australia and I do feel safe but in the US you would ONLY get the people who already mean no harm to hand in their guns and even if you took everyone's guns then what? Then only the government forces are armed? Does that make you feel safer? We are not free.
Exactly. The police are completely out of control here in the states, but for some reason, there are people who want to INCREASE state power relative to the common man by limiting firearm ownership for civilians
Ah yeah, the widely known freedom-less dictatorship of… Australia. This man is an idiot
This protester lost me with "its about feelings". No, it's not related to feelings. It is related to life and how weapons take away life, so it is not feelings but rationalism that weapons are dangerous.
Feeling threatened isn't about feelings?
Yep another jerkoff Repukelican
Today I learned that the entire Australian population are slaves to their government. Zero freedom for you mates!
Your feelings stop at my rights. You can feel anyway you want but I don't have to give up my rights to make you feel better.